Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:30 | #

Did I understand right?  The “plot” was to shoot him as he was making his acceptance speech, using a sniper rifle “sighted at 750 yds”?  Since no building on Earth is that big, the plan is, presumably, to shoot him from a vantage point outside, sighting him through an open door or open window, at that distance?  Riiiiiiight. 

Obviously the “plot” is not credible.  Besides, when the prosecutor himself, the one whose bread-and-butter, whose career, depends on prosecuting cases, says that, I wouldn’t think it an especially good bet to doubt him.

Posted by onetwothree on Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:11 | #

Any “white supremacist” with an orderly cognitive state will realize that the *single worst possible event* in the coming months would be the assassination of BHO. *That* would mark the end of constitutional law.

Posted by Question for everyone on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:30 | #

Have any of you here had any problems lately accessing Patrick Buchanan’s website and blog?—
http://www.buchanan.org/blog/

It seems that Google and others now have fake warnings all over the website that is preventing people from accessing it on certain servers, myself included.  Maybe someone recently hacked the website (probably a Jew or Israeli who opposes Buchanan’s views) and put a bunch of spyware or malware on the website?

Either way, it seems that the Jew/Israeli led censorship of the internet has begun in earnest.

Posted by Red Mercury on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:36 | #

I used to have trouble accessing the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) and VDARE.com websites.  Whenever I logged on, I would get bogus warning messages about the content. I do wish some computer-savvy WNs would use the same cyber warfare tactics against left-wing, Jewish, and Afro sites. We need to shut these f****** down.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:43 | #

Here’s the message that comes up when you try to get on Buchanan’s site and follow the links for an explanation of why you can’t:
______

SAFE BROWSING

Diagnostic page for http://www.buchanan.org/

What is the current listing status for http://www.buchanan.org/?

Site is listed as suspicious - visiting this web site may harm your computer.

Part of this site was listed for suspicious activity 1 time(s) over the past 90 days.

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 96 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 46 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 08/26/2008, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 08/25/2008.

Malicious software includes 46 trojan(s). Successful infection resulted in an average of 1 new processes on the target machine.

Malicious software is hosted on 3 domain(s), including atkgft.com, powerantivirus2009.com, viacodecright2.com.

1 domain(s) appear to be functioning as intermediaries for distributing malware to visitors of this site, including supercyborg.info.

Has this site acted as an intermediary resulting in further distribution of malware?

Over the past 90 days, http://www.buchanan.org/ did not appear to function as an intermediary for the infection of any sites.

Has this site hosted malware?

No, this site has not hosted malicious software over the past 90 days.

How did this happen?

In some cases, third parties can add malicious code to legitimate sites, which would cause us to show the warning message.

Next steps:

•  Return to the previous page.
•  If you are the owner of this web site, you can request a review of your site using Google Webmaster Tools. More information about the review process is available in Google’s Webmaster Help Center.

Posted by Lurker on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:32 | #

I just checked to see if I got the same warning.

I did.

What scum, to do that.

Posted by 2R on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:03 | #

“I do wish some computer-savvy WNs would use the same cyber warfare tactics against left-wing, Jewish, and Afro sites. We need to shut these f****** down.”  (RM)

Why should we be like them?  First of all, its illegal.  Second, we should take pride in the fact that we welcome open debate.  Free speech and open debate is our most dangerous weapon.

“Any “white supremacist” with an orderly cognitive state will realize that the *single worst possible event* in the coming months would be the assassination of BHO. *That* would mark the end of constitutional law.” (123)

Not only that, an Obama presidency is going to be a great education for White people.  I will be voting for Obama and in fact, I have an Obama sign in my front-yard right now.

Posted by Red Mercury on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:23 | #

Conservatives, rightists, and WNs have wasted enough effort on debate and discussion, trying to play nice, pretending that the old ‘Judeo’-‘Christian’ morals and ethics still apply, and pretending that our enemies play nice like us.  Where did it get us? Nowhere.  The only thing that matters, at this late stage, is power. Speech and debate are meaningless. A waste of time.  This is a fight for survival, to the death, not a little girl’s tea party.  We need to focus on weakening our opponents, on humiliating them, on destroying them. Cyber-warfare, with a view to shutting down our enemies’ websites, should be just one tactic amongst many.

Posted by Captainchaos on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:04 | #

“The only thing that matters, at this late stage, is power.” -Red Mercury

No, honor matters, morality matters, simple decency matters.  It matters that we once again live up to the highest ideals of our people.  Not having done so is a large part of the problem we find ourselves in now.  If we proceed down the path of ruthlessness without having exhausted all other options we will have discredited ourselves in the minds of those we must win to our side.  Without “them” we having nothing to work with.

Posted by 2R on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:48 | #

Conservatives, rightists, and WNs have wasted enough effort on debate and discussion, trying to play nice, pretending that the old ‘Judeo’-’Christian’ morals and ethics still apply, and pretending that our enemies play nice like us.  Where did it get us? Nowhere.  The only thing that matters, at this late stage, is power. Speech and debate are meaningless. A waste of time.  This is a fight for survival, to the death, not a little girl’s tea party.  We need to focus on weakening our opponents, on humiliating them, on destroying them. Cyber-warfare, with a view to shutting down our enemies’ websites, should be just one tactic amongst many.
(Red Mercury)

Just the opposite I’m afraid.  For too long “White Nationalism” has been polluted by “men of action” who wear Swastikas and speak of the “day of the rope” from the Turner Diaries.  How about instead of breaking the law by attacking websites, we learn the arguments of our enemies and “humiliate” them with our superior arguments?  I haven’t been around WN for very long but one thing I have noticed is that the people who talk about “action” or overthrowing the government, are usually either mentally ill, government agents, or just plain dumb. 

If you can’t figure out why violence won’t work, let me explain it to you.  First of all, the only way to fight the most powerful government on earth is through guerrilla warfare.  In order to be successful at guerrilla warfare, you need the support of the people.  In general, we don’t have the support of the people.  And if we did have the support of the people, we wouldn’t need to use violence becuase we could use the political system.

Besides this, think about how ridiculous your tactics are?  What difference does it make if you shut down a website or two when our enemies have the TV, radio, education system, and Hollywood to inform everyone how “White Supremacists are attacking Internet sites?”  Did you think of this General Von Clausewitz?  Our enemies attack our websites becuase the Internet is our main system of dissemination.  Our enemies don’t rely on the Internet the same way we do.  The only thing attacking websites will accomplish is giving our enemies propaganda to “prove” how “dangerous” we are and how Congress should pass censorship laws to keep “extremists” of the Internet.  So by doing this we would be doing our enemies a favor.

So General Von Clausewitz, I hope I cleared this up for you.  We have NO interest in your great generalship. Go take your grand stratagem somewhere else, becuase we’re busy here trying to come up with real answers to the problems facing our people.

You’re dismissed General Von Clausewitz!  Move Out!!!!

Posted by Lurker on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:12 | #

Good points 2R.

Just for myself, I was a dutiful liberal not so long ago, parroting the party line, had always been interested in politics but its only in the last few years that I think Ive begun to really understand anything at all. Like waking up - Ive seen that phrase a lot on MR and the like! Via the internet I realised just how illogical and inconsistent my beliefs (if thats the right term) were. It was reasoned arguments and empirical evidence that brought me to this, not cataclysmic calls to arms.

Like I said, thats just me, however Ive been working slowly on people I know, a little bit at a time, trying to connect the dots etc set them on the same path. It seems to me that its the most introspective & thoughtful (most intelligent?) who are actually the most receptive no matter how much they adhere the party line right now.

Posted by Fr. John on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:59 | #

The inevitability of an armed revolution against a Tyrant was ALWAYS a ‘safety valve’ measure in Jefferson’s writings, and such a proscription (‘we should have a revolution every twenty years or so, just to maintain freedom,’ or something to that effect) is even quoted by those who, (like Mr. Mercury) feel themselves utterly frustrated by the DEPTH OF CONTROL the EVIL ONES have over the apparatus of power…which came about, if memory serves, by ‘talking and dialoguing’ and touting all the balderdash about ‘free speech,’ etc. , by those who thought (wrongly) that ‘they are ‘just like us’ and therefore, ‘they’ will ‘respect’ us.

What a load!

In short, it was just such namby-pamby, limp-wristed tactics as CaptainChaos iterates, that GOT US in the fix we are in!

Do you, for ONE MINUTE, think that a Semitic tribe used to group cohesion, is going to give a dam* about Anglo-Saxon notions of ‘equality’ and ‘fair play’?
Do you, for ONE MINUTE, think that a Semitic tribe used to lying -as a sanctioned ‘behavior of righteousness’ [Talmud], is going to give a dam* about Anglo-Saxon notions of ‘equality’ and ‘fair play’?
Do you, for ONE MINUTE, think that a Semitic tribe which sees White [and Black!] People as soulless ‘cattle’, is going to give a dam* about Anglo-Saxon notions of ‘equality’ and ‘fair play’?
Do you, for ONE MINUTE think that a Semitic tribe that despises Christianity and ALL THAT IT STANDS FOR, is going to give a dam* about Anglo-Saxon notions of ‘equality’ and ‘fair play’?
Do you, for ONE MINUTE think that a Semitic tribe in control of (almost) ALL media- print, television, arts, bookstores, movie studios,  is going to give a dam* about Anglo-Saxon notions of ‘equality’ and ‘fair play’?

Well, I could go on…...

The Old Southern honesty about needing to keep certain types/races of people ‘in their place’ was the ONLY THING that ALLOWED Western/Christian/Cavalier notions of ‘decency, honor,’ and all the other CHRISTIAN virtues to remain IN PLACE! Once the former was disavowed, the latter fell like a house of cards. One cannot be at peace ‘in their own land, under their own fig tree,’ when you are battling the pagans (even when they are Talmudics!) for the ‘walls of Jerusalem.’ (think Blake’s poem…)

When you are in a position of ‘noblesse oblige,’ you CAN be ‘christian’ in your own lands, and among the slave and menial class, unlike the Normans in Saxon Britain…

But when you are under attack, and the reins of power are being STOLEN from you - not won in an outright battle, mind, you,  but DEVIOUSLY taken from your mind-numbed hands…

Then all bets are off. Which is why the ‘slave soul’ mentality of Russia against the Bolsheviks in 1917, should most definitely NOT be the ‘model’ for ‘appeasement’ with the Deicides in 2017 in the West. If I can rephrase the Talmud, which clearly states such a POV (and thus, absolves me from ANY cavil of ‘anti-semitism’) - “Even the Best non-Whites should be killed”... or at least shipped back to Africa. Thus, ‘2r’s’ comment: “I will be voting for Obama and in fact, I have an Obama sign in my front-yard right now” is no less than treason, in my eyes. I’d say such a mind is already ‘judaized’ and useless for the coming war of righteousness against evil.

IF you have a Christian populace, a Christian leadership, and a Christian government, God will bless you… pre-Soviet Russia under the Czars, America during the 1800’s, and Britain under Victoria come to mind. (the non-Christian, non-whites do not matter, for the Scriptures clearly state that God’s people are to RULE other nations- so all liberal ideals of ‘equality’ are at base, anti-Christian)
IF you have a Christian populace, but your leaders are atheists (or worse, jews) and your government is not Christian, it has no MORAL RIGHT TO EXIST. (where the West is now, except for Russia, that seems to be remembering what we once all knew)
If you have a pagan populace, and atheist leaders and a non-Christian government, you have the USSR, Zimbabwe, or South Africa. The Second is the inevitable step away from the first, and the third form follows on apace.

Have we truly NOT learned ONE BLESSED THING from Solzhenitsyn’s warnings?

Therfore, if ‘they’ dare to stand in our way, or take our lands, our culture, our FOLK from us, we are commanded by God to resist. The concept of a Just War in the West allowed for such a defense, but this war on the part of our enemies is in no way, “Just” - is it DIRTY, and demands an equal measure of ruthlessness, for us to succeed. I think Kipling had it correct, when he noted, it is a terrible thing to behold, ‘when the Saxon learns to hate.’

Or, as someone mentioned to me lately, “The Second Amendment exists to maintain the viability of the First - for Whites.”

There is no other reading allowed.

Posted by Red Mercury on Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:17 | #

2R,

Engaging in debate with our opponents with a view to winning them over with our “superior arguments,” as if we can discuss these matters over tea and scones like civilised gentlemen, is a waste of effort.  It has been tried and it has failed.  Back to the drawing board for you, 2R.

We are in a war for our survival.  This is about power.  You will find that violence does work, as history and current events demonstrate time and again.  I am not advocating violence here, as you appear to believe; nothing I wrote previously would indicate otherwise.  I am simply pushing social networking, political organisation, and activism. I have enough experience in WN circles to know that sitting around on comfy sofas or in front of the computer discussing Yockey or Chesterton (or whatever) is insufficient and in many cases plain fruitless.  It is an excuse for morons, pointy-headed blowhards, and cowards to do nothing. No doubt this is a familiar feeling with you, 2R.

Shutting down debate, intimidating their opponents, and in some instances detaining and prosecuting them, are tactics that are working very well for the Left.  Which is one reason we’re here.  You would do well to pay attention. If I had it in my power, I would certainly not only shut down the magazines and websites of our enemies, but also incarcerate them.  That’s what happens in war time. Incidentally, you do realise we are in a war, don’t you?

Perhaps you still think you can convince them of your “superior arguments”?  Silly boy. Back to school for you, 2R.

Posted by 2R on Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:19 | #

“You will find that violence does work” (General Von Clausewitz)

General, I’ve seen no instance in the history of White Nationalism where “violence has worked?”  Maybe you can provide me with an example? 

“If I had it in my power, I would certainly not only shut down the magazines and websites of our enemies, but also incarcerate them. ” (General Patton)

General Tzu,  in your great wisdom you forgot something: You don’t have any power! If I had it in my power, I would prosecute all those guilty of race replacement with genocide against the White race and force them to pay fines for the rest of their lives.  We could go on and on about what we’d do IF we had the power but the fact is, WE DON’T!!!  So my great General, while you sit around and think about what you’d do IF you had the power, we here at MR will try to figure out HOW TO GET THE POWER!!!

“Incidentally, you do realise we are in a war, don’t you?” (General Patton)

Hey General “Blood-&-Guts” Patton, you are correct that this is a war for survival.  But surely you must realize that an Army must utilize its strength while exploiting the enemy’s weaknesses, right?  What if the Germans had attacked the Maginot Line in a WWI-style frontal attack?  Of course, they would of lost, becuase the French Army had better fire-power.  Instead, they invented maneuver warfare and went around it.  Or how about the Christians in Rome?  Had they attempted to take Rome on with force they would have been crushed.  Instead, they fed the poor and and even paid taxes and in a few hundred years, they owned Rome.

But what about today?  I’m sure you’re aware of the massacre of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom?  When this happened, White Nationalists spread news of this attack all across the Internet.  They did so with such tenacity that eventually the main stream media was forced to cover the story. This small victory open up many people’s eyes to the reality of black on White violence. Now what would have happened if some retards would have attacked and killed some blacks instead?  The media would have covered this without any mention of Channon Christian and it would have all over the place.

Violence is not an option for us. Instead, we need to clean up parks, provide social needs for poor Whites, do sit-ins to demonstrate media silence of violence against Whites, and continue to network with other Whites.  I guarantee that the journal articles written by Richard Lynn, or Rustin, or Macdonald have done more to benefit us than some stupid skinheads beating up someone.  In fact, Macdonald has done more in his academic career to help the White race than the NSM, the Order, WAR, Skinheads, and other assorted retards put together. 

Our “Army” has the greatest weapon of all; we have truth on our side.  And as more and more Whites grow sick of the multi-cult hell, they’re going to be looking for answers.  Our job now, more than anything, is to develop an ideology that will inspire and motivate Whites to pursue their survival.  Without an ideology there can be no real political action becuase ideology directs the energies of the people.  Random acts of senseless violence turns off most people.  Instead, we need to commit random acts of kindness for our people. 

I know you’re frustrated with the current situation we’re facing.  But our “Army” must utilize our strength and exploit out enemy’s weaknesses.  Like I said above, our greatest strength is truth.  We’re right by saying that the races are not the same.  We’re right by pointing out that multi-ethnic states don’t work.  We’re right that Jewish power has polluted the West.  Our job is to spread this truth and to develop an ideology and a vision for the future that will inspire our people. Violence will only turn people off.  We’re White people, ideas and the quest for objective truth is in our DNA.

Posted by Lurker on Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:33 | #

2R - “Our “Army” has the greatest weapon of all; we have truth on our side”

Right on!

Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:58 | #

“In short, it was just such namby-pamby, limp-wristed tactics as CaptainChaos iterates, that GOT US in the fix we are in!” - Fr. John

Are you sure you aren’t the Nietzsche fan?

Let me know when the revolution is scheduled to begin and I’ll make sure to show up with my BB gun at the ready.  Oh yeah, and I’ll make a sincere effort to keep my lisp well concealed.  LOL!

I remember reading a comment on VNN where a guy recommended kidnapping negroes and dismembering them with chainsaws while still alive in response to the torture/murders of Chris Newsom and Channon Christian.  Sounds like a good strategy to me; can’t beat “propaganda of the deed” like that (sarcasm).

Lets face it: most White people care more about watching sports on their big screen TVs while swilling beer than about saving their race.  That’s a fact on the ground.  They have to give a rip before ANYTHING can be done.