Ice Age Whites in America

Posted by Karl LaForce on June 28, 2010, 06:22 AM | #

This is exactly why we WN (or what ever you choose to call yourself) should avoid (not seek out) un-critical mainstream media coverage.  Those f**kers are not our friends.  This piece set us back, and did nothing to advance our cause.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 28, 2010, 07:04 AM | #

Dangling speculative and, in the genomic age, frankly pointless “aryan-this-aryan-that” racial theories in front of hostile tools like the guy here probably serves its purpose for John.  But what purpose it serves for WN and for white Americans is another issue.

Activism is coming to the movement in America.  It has little that is unifying of an intellectual or philosophical character.  The elements competing in that respect include simple isostacism, Christian fundamentalism, and New Rightism (which, at its core, is fascism).  John’s aryanism is already out of the game.

Posted by Arslan Amirkhanov on June 28, 2010, 07:39 AM | #

“This is exactly why we WN (or what ever you choose to call yourself) should avoid (not seek out) un-critical mainstream media coverage.  Those f**kers are not our friends. “

Why don’t you blame John De Nugent for being a raving lunatic?  Why do you WNs always blame others for the undeniable fact that you have a disproportionate number of retards, perverts, con-men, and ex-cons?

Posted by Gladiator on June 28, 2010, 07:57 AM | #

You are missing an ‘l’ in the word nationalist.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 28, 2010, 08:10 AM | #

Aslan,

What you say is full of politics full stop.  Mainstream politicians are crooks and grifters.  The hard left is historically murderous, and at best in the West today repressive and authoritarian.  Frankly, I would prefer John de Nugent to any mainstream grifter or Establishment Marxist, if that was what is on offer.  But it isn’t.  You need to update yourself.

Posted by Norman Lowell on June 28, 2010, 08:48 AM | #

John de Nugent is fighting the fight, upfront - like so many other White patriots all around the world.
His Solutrean Theory may, or may not be true - it is not important.
It gives White Americans the right to own N. America and parts of S. America as well.

This is what is important in the final battle for the survival and destiny of the White Man.
The right to own vast territories strewn around the world.
Ireland to Vladivostock, N & S America, Australia and the whole of Southern Africa.

Such vast lands can only be held together by a supra-National IDEA.
The IDEA of Imperium.
An Imperium Europa girdling the globe - an Imperium for Europids only.

Imperium Europa:
The Book that changed the world.
2012: Anno Zero!

Posted by alex zeka on June 28, 2010, 01:39 PM | #

His Solutrean Theory may, or may not be true - it is not important.
It gives White Americans the right to own N. America and parts of S. America as well

Apparently, it is Lowell’s belief that everyone who has up to this moment opposed white interests will suddenly be in favor of them, all because of what happened in pre-history. I think that either you’re a WN, in which case you support these interests irrespective of this, or you’re not, in which case you’ll simply not believe this.

“Right”, btw. LOL Like I have a right to life, which’ll do me no good whatsoever when I’m about to be squashed by a lorry - which incidentally, is a good metaphor for whites trying to stand against the influx of Mestizos by pointing out that they were here first.

Von Hoff seems to be fascinated by this kind of esoterica - German patriotic youth movements, whether Soviet Jews became white. Literally everything apart from the only two things that are of any use now: a. what’s wrong with what we have, b. what to do about it.

Posted by Gorboduc on June 28, 2010, 04:09 PM | #

Another Quartet of Triads:

Norman has opened his recruiting office: it’s just like 1914.
All down the road the straw-hatted young men are queueing up!
“We just want to get out there and have a whack at those non-Aryans!” one excitedly remarked to the sergeant.

How odd, the word ARYAN seems to have something to do with the ancient Iranians.
And, I think, the Sanskrit language comes into it somewhere:
And there are rumours about Atlantis and also about Lemuria.

Also it seems that Europa will become global, so what is going to happen to the other continents?
Ah! I know! Atlantis and Lemuria will re-appear, and hordes of Aryans, millions and millions, will surface with them!
They will all be white, will speak good English (but VERY poor Latin) and will spread out everywhere, swamping all opposition, easily outnumbering the Chinks.

They will easily form a bridge between Africa and Australia so they will have to be very tall and strong.
But as Norman says, it doesn’t matter whether theories on which predictions are based are true or false.
So join up now: there are guns and songs for all in the new Imperium Europa.

But for some light relief, try this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/10440371.stm

Posted by Gorboduc on June 28, 2010, 04:47 PM | #

As a PS:

I enjoyed some of the related videos that come up at the end if you trail the arrow at the bottom of the pic.
Yes, the Kurdish Kids are Kute and I have seen similar slide-shows of Afghan youth, just as fetching.
So, it seems that “Desert Tribes” and “Goatherds” are A1-OK terms of approval when applied to some folks,  but definite (and richly deserved) terms of DISapproval when applied to those who gave us Christianity. (Not a few previous MR posts.)

de Nugent’s fixed stare and odd teeth betoken some inner problem(s).

I loved the bit about 1:19 in to the main video where he appears to be standing stock still near some steel doors while a ceiling fan whirs: is he being symbolically holocausted?
Do try the National Anthem: it’s rather like one of those “Leaning on the shoulder of the Man from Galilee” Baptist hymns.

Posted by Norman Lowell on June 28, 2010, 05:08 PM | #

“Apparently, it is Lowell’s belief that everyone who has up to this moment opposed white interests will suddenly be in favor of them, all because of what happened in pre-history.” - Alex Zeka

The Solutrean Theory gives the White Man the moral underpinning to do what has to be done.
Brooking no opposition or restraint - clean up the planet, if need be.
But we will install The Imperium!

Posted by Gorboduc on June 28, 2010, 06:12 PM | #

An unverifiable theory, Norman, gives no-one anything at all.

It’s strange, don’t you think, that de Nugent’s Red men were more highly evolved than the whites they exterminated, but at the same time, lower?

The Aryan Myth is another version of the Golden Age Myth, as believed in by all sorts of gullible folks.

Tudor and Stuart poets used it in the servile flattery of their monarchs: Elisabeth and James I were presented as heaven-descended demi-Gods, come down to restore us to an unremembered and therefore newly-invented happy past. “The World’s Great Age begins anew . . “

Socialists (even some of the National variety) have done it for centuries, and base their lying propaganda about the beautiful Future on invented dreams of a never-experienced Past, when all things were held in common, and Property was Theft.

Consequently, they reason from the unknown to the unrealisable.

We all. apparently, once lived in a beautiful temperate Spring, the same the whole world over: consequently there can have been no storms, no floods, but no ripeness, fruiting, harvest or seed-time either.

A malign hand gave a nudge to the earth’s axis, and we suffer now from having the seasons and other inconveniences such as lengthening and shortening days and nights, fruit and flowers: how much nicer to be for ever children, and to live on Light in an unchanging temperature of 60 degrees Fahrenheit.

Arise, you Condemned Ones of the Earth: this Iron Age will soon give way to the Age of Gold, and there shall be no more poor, no strife: until the Great Cycle starts again!

Woe to you of the Right who believe as do those of the Left in this!

Madame Blavatsky rides again: and will reappear at 50,000 year intervals.

Posted by paññaviriya on June 28, 2010, 07:39 PM | #

There’s nothing mythical about the Aryans per se. The myth is that we have anything to do with them beyond inherited (originally: acquired or imposed) cultural forms and, in most cases, marginal genetic kinship. But it’s useful and encouraging symbolically. A little romanticism doesn’t hurt, which is far from endorsing the silly reaches of romanticism exhibited by Lowell and Hoffmeister, and their Nazi precursors. Of course “aryan-this-aryan-that” is typically expressed by WNs as a Golden Age myth, which is backward and useless. Odd that a believing Christian, though, whose faith is predicated on the most gilded of all Golden Age myths, should use this argument against a myth which at least has a closer ethnic, if not historical, relation to us than his own. While calling myself “European” gets closest to my essence, I think “Aryan” gets closer than “Christian”, without discounting the importance of Christianity in maintaining that esse, esp. in the early days, against hostile bodies. If I were a Slav I would not hesitate to call myself “Aryan” before “European”; history, culture, and genes would back me up in that. “Aryanism” is definitely not a winning stance, but neither is anything else if one’s only notion of success is “total” (teuta?). Every idea taken up by the mob is made ugly, simple and foolish; this happens even in the hands of most individuals. There is value in studying “the Aryan”—just ask the Left, which dominates “Indo-European studies” at Berkeley and Leiden. But, though I’m still downloading the vid, I doubt there’s much value to me or “our kind” in whatever a suit has to say about it.

Posted by Gorboduc on June 28, 2010, 09:24 PM | #

I clicked on the here at line 3 of the main posting.

Gak! What a rich diet of clotted nonsense!

I’d never heard of the Solutreans before, but I remember that various mad articles had caused me to lose interest in The Barnes Review , with which de Nugent is associated, years ago.

Blue-eyed mummies in China - blue-eyed mummies in Peru: so where did all the others come from?

Next stop Erich von Daniken : some of his space aliens look a bit negroid.

I mentioned Madame Blavatsky: I should have mentioned Isabelle Pagan (no kidding!): her Racial Cleavage or the Seven Ages of Man (Theosophical Publishing House, London, 1937) is an amazing treasury of tripe.

The Nordic race gets the largest number of references in the index, followed closely by the Aryans and the Atlanteans, then the Roman Catholics. 

Of these last, she disarmingly remarks: “. . . men may attend services hatless, even when completely bald! Further, those of the Roman Catholic clergy who are not bald already, take the trouble to shave a bald patch on the crown of the head just over one of the tiny glands which Theosophists say is a psychic transmitting and receiving cemtre connecting the intuitional faculties with the brain.”

(I must get one of those tin-foil hats so Father can’t read my thoughts.)

She quite properly insists on the superiority of the virile Highland Sword-Dance to the Negro Cake-Walk: and distinguishes some main British characteristics thus: “Most of the artists in Britain are apple-heads, while the bulk of the distinguished scientists are pear-heads . . ” but unfortunately Morris dancing comes under her “condemnation” as “being unsuited to our build and bony structure.”

But ultimately the great Utopia when reached will be dominated by the apex of evolution, the Seventh Root Race, which will be “a warm golden brown - a deeper tint than the golden sunburn hue of the Sixth Root Race: and already there are those of very mixed heredity in the South American republics whose complexions are somewhat of that description . . .”

If I had a copy of Man: Whence, How and Whither? by Mrs Besant and “Archbishop” Leadbeater I’d give you a bit of that, as it’s even funnier: you can read it and probably download it here.

http://www.archive.org/details/manwhencehowandw031919mbp

It’s well worth it: don’t read it on the bus or train, you will embarass yourself by laughing uncontrollably.

But you have been warned: too much Aryanism turns you “a warm golden brown” Of course, that could just be Nature’s way of adapting for global warming . . .

Posted by FB on June 28, 2010, 10:59 PM | #

John de Nugent represents the discredited past of WN; he’s a throwback who hasn’t noticed that the game has changed. People like him do irreparable harm to our interests. He not only scares non-Whites and Jews, but sane and normal White people. And by the way, his following is minuscule. The anti was either bullshitting or has no clue. It would’ve been far more difficult to make Jared Taylor look like a raving fool; hence, he’s of little interest to the MSM.

Posted by Grimoire on June 29, 2010, 01:00 AM | #

Mystical explanations are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Posted by alex zeka on June 29, 2010, 01:24 AM | #

The Solutrean Theory gives the White Man the moral underpinning to do what has to be done.
Brooking no opposition or restraint - clean up the planet, if need be.
But we will install The Imperium!

- Lowell

Lowell: “Hello, ethnics. Did you know that my ancestors were in America first? That gives me the moral underpinning to clean you off the face of the planet! What do you say to that?”

Ethnics: (Gets out gun)

What’s the point of all this, again?

Posted by Arslan Amirkhanov on June 29, 2010, 03:34 PM | #

@Guessedworker

“Establishment Marxist” you say?  Are you high?  Last time I checked the “establishment” of virtually every country in the world(including China) is dominated by various shades of free-market capitalists. 

Your “other politicians” lie is also a sad, pathetic excuse totally in character of the movement.  Remember YOUR movement claims that you have moral high ground, that you are better than all of these politicians.  Yet the fact is it contains an overwhelming amount of perverts and con-men for what should be the “vanguard” of your wonderful little “race.”  For every person I have known in the movement who is successful, both economically and socially, I have known no less than five who are complete morons and utter failures.  The number is FAR higher if we count people online, and as we both know, your movement is 90% online. 

Time to wake up and take a deep breath of reality as opposed to those solvents under your sink.

Posted by Wandrin on June 29, 2010, 05:02 PM | #

“Establishment Marxist” you say?  Are you high?  Last time I checked the “establishment” of virtually every country in the world(including China) is dominated by various shades of free-market capitalists.

Establishment Marxist is (cultural marxist + social democrat) and has been for a very long time.

All over the western world the political elite are engaged in treason, ethnic cleansing and genocide of their own people. Let the media stop censoring the truth about the rivers of blood flowing out of western cities caused by the diversity-genocide and we’ll see how the moral high ground looks.

In the context of a genocidal multicult a “successful” politician is a whore and mass murderer.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 29, 2010, 06:04 PM | #

Arslan,

You are a prisoner of the zietgeist.  You have no eyes.  It is not your fault that you cannot see.  You are weak and suggestible.  The belief that you must commend the inexistence of European Man is in the warp and weft of your personality.  You believe yourself to be doing the right thing.  The reality, though, is that you ally with criminals ... the money power, the corrupt political class, racist Jews, and so on.  It will be hard for you to break free of it all.  But many have before you.  Many do all the time.

I will offer you what I have offered most if not all the ignorant and politically sick who come here thinking they can “win” a thread victory over “people in the movement”.  If are not pathological of mind, and if you stick around, we will free you.  Eventually, we will free you.  I know you don’t believe it now.  You think you are a better man than I am.  But all that you think today about yourself and the world is illusion.  You are nothing until you take your first steps into the light.

Posted by Karl LaForce on June 29, 2010, 06:45 PM | #

My original post is not primarily about John DeNugent. My post relates to the fundamental dishonesty of the main stream (as in Jew controlled) media. The network (the Discovery Channel) that aired that piece also sells a DVD that makes many of the same points that John makes. See the link below:

http://anonym.to/http://discovery.resultspage.com/search?w=ice+age+genisis&v=discovery&x=27&y=5

They went out of their way to make John look foolish, and he walked right in to their hands. My point was; don’t walk into their hands. If a MSM forum is open where we have some reasonable assurance that our message will be transmitted faithfully (like a televised debate, or public access) then we should use that forum, otherwise WNs should avoid media coverage.

The MSM is a business set up to sell deodorant and tampons to the masses through advertising. The owners and controllers of the MSM promote a political agenda that is in opposition to White survival. Those two facts taken together mean that at almost every opportunity they will make WNs look foolish, and/or dangerous; this piece does both.

WNs should not allow themselves to be made fools in order to further the goals of the MSM.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 29, 2010, 07:13 PM | #

“My original post is not primarily about John DeNugent.  My post relates to the fundamental dishonesty of the mainstream (as in Jew controlled) media. [...] They went out of their way to make John look foolish and he walked right in to their hands.  My point was don’t walk into their hands. [...] The owners and controllers of the MSM promote a political agenda that is in opposition to White survival.  [...A]t almost every opportunity they will make WNs look foolish and/or dangerous; this piece does both.  WNs should not allow themselves to be made fools of in order to further the goals of the MSM.”  (—Karl LaForce)

Well said.

Posted by Al Ross on June 29, 2010, 07:29 PM | #

The Discovery Channel is owned by the publicly traded company, Discovery Communications. The CEO is, unsurprisingly, a Jew. His name is David Zaslav.

Posted by Al Ross on June 29, 2010, 10:21 PM | #

Meanwhile, plucky little Fiji’s ethno - nationalist government has given one of the world’s most powerful media tycoons, Rupert Murdoch, the boot. Murdoch’s newspaper, The Fiji Times, now faced with a forced sale or compulsory closure, has consistently peddled the multi - culti nonsense, vilifying the indigenous Fijians for “discriminating” against the highly ethno - nepotistic Indian immigrant - descended community which was foisted on poor Fiji by British colonial indentured labour policies.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1290847/latest-from-wire/

Posted by Al Ross on June 29, 2010, 10:39 PM | #

If I may just put the unequal Fiji v News Corporation battle into perspective, the Pacific nation has a GDP of $3.5billion while Mr Murdoch’s octopine enterprise has a latest annual revenue figure of $30.4billion.

Posted by alex zeka on June 30, 2010, 01:56 AM | #

Gorbuduc,

I’ll be sure to check Mrs. Besant out.

Arslan,

The current establishment are only “free market capitalist” if you assume that anyone who isn’t a communist is “free market capitalist”. Basically, that worldview is a holdover from the Cold War. In case you haven’t noticed, the establishment supports substantial economic regulation, a welfare state which is only small if you compare it to the Seventies, not to mention pc cultural regulations, which is what the “Cultural Marxist” claim was about.

Posted by Gudmund on June 30, 2010, 02:05 AM | #

Arslan Amirkhanov is a mentally defective troll.  I have debated him elsewhere under other names.  If “debate” is the correct term.  His writings are a noxious mix of logical fallacies, lies, obfuscation (not very good at that), ignoring facts, etc.  He’s a lower class waste of time and energy.

Arslan, I address you directly:  I’m aware you have a very high opinion of yourself.  Many subhumans do.  To others, however, particularly whites, you appear a coarse, uncouth, excitable and stupid wog.  Appropriate then, as that is what you are.

Posted by Al Ross on June 30, 2010, 02:28 AM | #

Perhaps Arselikhan should return to the normal Muslim browsing habits as documented here :

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6575/pub_detail.asp

Posted by Arslan Amirkhanov on June 30, 2010, 02:58 AM | #

Wow, looks like my drill has just hit the MOTHERLOAD OF STUPID!!! 

“Establishment Marxist is (cultural marxist + social democrat) and has been for a very long time. “

Really? Who made this definition? Oh right, right-wing cranks.  “Cultural Marxist” is a meaningless term.  Social democrat?  Maybe in Europe, but even they trust in the free market.

“All over the western world the political elite are engaged in treason, ethnic cleansing and genocide of their own people. Let the media stop censoring the truth about the rivers of blood flowing out of western cities caused by the diversity-genocide and we’ll see how the moral high ground looks.

In the context of a genocidal multicult a “successful” politician is a whore and mass murderer.”

Hilarious, just hilarious. Please, tell me where Europeans have been ethnically cleansed lately.  Show me some photos of refugees, show me the camps or shanty-towns which they occupy. Show me a mass grave full of Europeans.  Show me ANY proof that Europeans are targeted for their race, and that they face treatment comparable to Chechens, Kurds, Palestinians, or any other group which is ACTUALLY being persecuted.  Please, show me some evidence.

Ok, on to the next idiot in this Whack-a-Retard game. 

Oh great, next up is Morpheus, I mean Guessedworker, trying to pull me out of the Matrix.

“You are a prisoner of the zietgeist.  You have no eyes.  It is not your fault that you cannot see. “

I’m sorry I have difficulty believing in things that either lack evidence or have mountains of evidence against them. 

“You are weak and suggestible.”

Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist.

  “The belief that you must commend the inexistence of European Man is in the warp and weft of your personality.”

Let me explain something to you- there is no “European man”.  There are Germans, French, Italians, etc. And even many of those countries have internal divisions going back for centuries. 

  “You believe yourself to be doing the right thing.  The reality, though, is that you ally with criminals ... the money power, the corrupt political class, racist Jews, and so on.  It will be hard for you to break free of it all.  But many have before you.  Many do all the time. “

Yes, we Communists are allied with money power. That’s why we arrested and shot all those bankers and capitalists in the past. 

“I will offer you what I have offered most if not all the ignorant and politically sick who come here thinking they can “win” a thread victory over “people in the movement”.  If are not pathological of mind, and if you stick around, we will free you.  Eventually, we will free you.  I know you don’t believe it now.  You think you are a better man than I am.  But all that you think today about yourself and the world is illusion.  You are nothing until you take your first steps into the light.”

I got some REALLY bad news for you Guessedworker.  I was already in your movement, and I can predict virtually any argument you or anyone else here will make, save for those so stupid and illogical that I would never have considered using them myself in the past. 

NEXT!!!

“The current establishment are only “free market capitalist” if you assume that anyone who isn’t a communist is “free market capitalist”.

They are free market capitalists because they are free market capitalists, and they pursue free market solutions to virtually everything. 

“Basically, that worldview is a holdover from the Cold War. In case you haven’t noticed, the establishment supports substantial economic regulation, a welfare state which is only small if you compare it to the Seventies, not to mention pc cultural regulations, which is what the “Cultural Marxist” claim was about.”

First of all if you are speaking about the US that is laughable. The US has been moving towards more and more deregulation of virtually everything since the 1980s.  People are only talking about regulation now because lack of it has run the whole economy into the ground.  PC cultural regulations? Oh yeah, it’s so terrible you can’t discriminate in hiring anymore. 

NEXT!!!!

“Arslan Amirkhanov is a mentally defective troll.  I have debated him elsewhere under other names.  If “debate” is the correct term.  His writings are a noxious mix of logical fallacies, lies, obfuscation (not very good at that), ignoring facts, etc.  He’s a lower class waste of time and energy. “

Oh please, give us some examples of these “logical fallacies”, lies, etc. 

“Arslan, I address you directly:  I’m aware you have a very high opinion of yourself. “

What gave you that idea?

“Many subhumans do.  To others, however, particularly whites, you appear a coarse, uncouth, excitable and stupid wog.  Appropriate then, as that is what you are.”

It’s hard to imagine how pathetic one has to be to be sitting on the internet calling people sub-human and thinking that you are some higher form of life because you happen to be white. 

Well I’m just going to break your heart now.  I am white.  I am white and you and me are not brothers or relatives just because we share the same genes that produce our “white” features.  We do not have a common cause. 

Of course knowing you, I wouldn’t mind if you believe that I am non-white.  And if you should go that route, take the time to think about all the blonde-haired European women I’ve been with.

Posted by Mohammed Ghoffuq Youssef on June 30, 2010, 03:08 AM | #

A White Muslim, eh? Allah be praised, you are my heaven - bound brother.

Posted by 1 on June 30, 2010, 04:29 AM | #

Of course knowing you, I wouldn’t mind if you believe that I am non-white.  And if you should go that route, take the time to think about all the blonde-haired European women I’ve been with.

“One of the manifestations of this jealousy of the fair skin of the Nordics is shown in those numerous cases where members of the colored races, or even dark-skinned members of the Nordic regard the possession of a blonde woman as an assertion and proof of race equality. This has been true historically since the earliest times. It is more than ever in evidence at the present day.”

Madison Grant. The Conquest of a Continent; or, The expansion of races in America. New York, Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1933. p. 15.

Posted by Al Ross on June 30, 2010, 04:47 AM | #

I suspect that what Madison Grant meant to say was ” or even dark skinned members of the Aryan regard…..”

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 30, 2010, 06:38 AM | #

“Arslan Amirkhanov is a mentally defective troll.  I have debated him elsewhere under other names.  If ‘debate’ is the correct term.  His writings are a noxious mix of logical fallacies, lies, obfuscation (not very good at that), ignoring facts, etc.  He’s a lower class waste of time and energy.”  (—Gudmund)

Arsehole Amirkhanov might be the irritating nitwit who posted here and lots of other places a few years back as “Slavyanski,” someone whom Hunter Wallace at the time identified as previously on our side with respect to communism and race, who then abruptly switched to the diametrical opposite on both, turning overnight into a ranting Bolshevik and foaming, twitching race-replacer.

I’m not sure it’s Slavyanski but it might be — I get a very similar vibe from this creep.  If it’s he, someone has to invent a new word because asshole doesn’t begin to cover what this guy is.  (But until then I’ll use asshole.)

Either way, Slavyasshole or not, Gudmund is clearly right:  this sub-human moron is not worth anyone’s time.  Contributing nothing, he only pullutes this blog’s pages with his droppings.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 30, 2010, 06:42 AM | #

Slavyanski, by the way, is apparently a white American.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 30, 2010, 08:39 AM | #

Arslan,

Do not think, little man, that you can truly shuffle off your own burden by projecting it upon us.  You succeed only in exposing yourself as a pathological.

You are right that there’s nothing anybody here can do for you.  There is no cure for your personality defect.  The hatred is running in your veins.  The best you can do, for your own survival from moment to moment, is to try to project it onto others.  To that end you ally with Jewish racists like Dees against the supposed “racism” of the European-descended, not because you want to destroy racism but Europeans.

You are a very sick individual. Goodbye.

Posted by alex zeka on June 30, 2010, 08:52 AM | #

First of all if you are speaking about the US that is laughable. The US has been moving towards more and more deregulation of virtually everything since the 1980s.  People are only talking about regulation now because lack of it has run the whole economy into the ground.  PC cultural regulations? Oh yeah, it’s so terrible you can’t discriminate in hiring anymore.

Well, no, it’s moved towards deregulation in the 1980s, and a bit since. Which is what I’ve said (and which you’ve echoed) - that today’s US is only deregulated compared to the 1970s.

Also, quick question, was there a US regulation which penalised banks if they lent less to less developed Mostly NAM) districts, than to better off ones? And are regulations now being discussed to prevent this sort of high-risk lending? Blimey, the US is so deregulated it’s got regulations mandating opposite things. NEXT!

As to pc cultural regulations (anti-discrimination, etc.), to repeat, that is what Cultural Marxism is! You might think it’s wonderful, but that doesn’t alter the question as to whether an establishment that pushes that is Cultural Marxist or not.

As a final point, when does a business benefit from discriminating on no good basis (i.e. from hiring a less able person over a more able but discriminated against person)? Um, it doesn’t. When does it benefit from discriminating with a good reason? Um, always. Are businesses masochists? Or is most alleged discrimination done with good reason?

Posted by Gorboduc on June 30, 2010, 01:39 PM | #

Arslan sounds like Silver.

Unfortunately GW’s response is just a little too high-handed.

For a blind and mentally-defective coarse subhuman troll, this lower class little man, wog, liar and obfuscator seems to have caused a remarkable “loss of cool” out of all proportion to his very mean abilities.

Can’t he be answered by something other than abuse?

Up above I suggested that “too much Aryanism turns you golden-brown.”

Perhaps that is what happened to him.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 30, 2010, 03:42 PM | #

“Can’t he be answered by something other than abuse?”  (—Gorb)

Well, for that the guy’s gotta have these things called ears but he didn’t have any.  That’s not our fault. 

Good move, GW!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 30, 2010, 03:46 PM | #

“For a blind and mentally-defective coarse subhuman troll, this lower class little man, wog, liar and obfuscator [...].”  (—Gorbo) 

All of that is accurate except I don’t think Slavyanski is a wog, I think he’s white.

Posted by Guessedworker on June 30, 2010, 05:39 PM | #

Gorb,

I already banned this person once, when he made a damned nuisance of himself two years ago, perhaps more, in the guise of Slavyanski.  I don’t want our readers to have to put up with him again, and I don’t want his mental disorder spilled all over our page.  I am not going to treat him with any respect or consideration.  He is not welcome.  He can depart and not return, and that is all.

Posted by Gorboduc on June 30, 2010, 08:34 PM | #

Is Arslan Silver and Slavyanski?

He/they and I agree at least on the sheer lunacy of Nutgen.

Nutgen’s mistake doesn’t merely lie in inviting the media in to hear his ideas when he perhaps hadn’t got his sharpest arguments ready, but in espousing the whole shebang of his daft views.

He shouldn’t be tolerantly treated as the mad old auntie in the attic, locked away when the neighbours call round, and brought downstairs sfterwards for tea when they go, but he should dismissed with as much finality as Arslan/Slavyanski.

Having now looked up the Solutreans (a dull and unrewarding task) I think it’s obvious that Nutgen’s notions have absolutely no right to be taken seriously, either as a contribution to prehistorical studies or to political discourse. They are on all fours with the nonsense about the culture of Glozel.
(Glozellian note for disbelievers in the Holy Shroud: certain baked clay tablets unearthed at Glozel were reliably dated by the thermoluminescence technique to a BC era [the late Glyn Daniel’s word for it in several articles in Antiquity] but one contained a bead of 20th. century origin, another a matchstick).

In fact Nutgen’s as much of a fruitcake as the rather similar L. A. Waddell, (another Aryanist) whose Wiki entry at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Waddell

just doesn’t do justice to the rich and endearing lunacy of the man, with his Phoenician theories and cod linguistics that took in Ezra Pound and that still seem to exert a disastrous influence in some quarters today.

I suppose - that is, I hope - that the original post was to warn us of the folly of espousing such rubbish.

Posted by Al Ross on June 30, 2010, 08:51 PM | #

Gorboduc is delightfully dismissive of this thread’s topic but those of us who are always amused by his avid ingestion of the sweet swill of lunatic Catholic dogma, may wonder why. After all, a mind that can accept the absurd Jesusjabber of the Bad Book should be superbly equipped to believe just about anything.

Posted by Thunder on June 30, 2010, 10:24 PM | #

Aslan,

Your predicatbly tedious questions have been aired and answered here many times over.  There probably isn’t a contiributor here that hasn’t debated your ilk, ad nauseam.  Read other threads.  If you are genuine all your silly questions will be answered. GW is right to show you the door.  We have better things to do with our time.

Posted by Gorboduc on July 01, 2010, 06:17 AM | #

Al: brilliantly put: readers have been warned.
Actually it’s not so brilliantly put after all, I notice: I think that to do your rather silly point justice, you should have written:

and those of us who are always amused by his avid ingestion of the sweet swill of lunatic Catholic dogma, need not wonder why.

My suggested emendations in bold emphasize what you probably do know (or at least, on the assumption that you’re not writing in bad faith, should) know: that there’s an unbridgeable gulf between Catholic rationalism and “scientific” irrationalism, and that people whose genetic endowment by some provision enables them to believe in the Mystery of the Holy Trinity are not thereby neccesarily destined to believe in Darwinism as well.

Your post contains an implicit recognition of the irrationality of Nutgen’s claims: perhaps therefore you agree with me that airing such nonsense isn’t good for the White cause?

Jesus is a historical figure in a way that the Solutreans can’t ever be.

As GK Chesterton is apocryphally alleged to have remarked, “A man who deserts Christianity doesn’t just believe in nothing: he will believe in just anything.”

Here’s a bit more Jesusjabber for you: it’s a little quote from Mgr. Paul Glenn’s Apologetics (1931, repr.1980) which is designed as a class manual for schools,  is thoroughly rationalist in tone and approach, and has not an atom of sweetness about it, but a refreshing acerbity. I employed the Sortes Virgiliani, as it were, and opened the book at random, and lit upon:

But what an unspeakable thing it is to transfer one’s faith from the All-wise and the Infinitely true to a sneering professor, a picayune and priggish pedagogue.

That’s his humour, of course: but I really can’t conceive of anything more scientifically dry and rational than his rigorous dissection a few pages further on, of the network of causes which have combined to bring forth (e.g.) a statue, and their interplay, connectedness and nomenclature. Interesting that Catholic fifth-=formers were expected to master clear definitions of the intrinsic causes (divided into material causes, and formal causes (these latter divided into the substantial and the accidental) and of the extrinsic causes, divided into the efficient (or instrumental and exemplary causes) and the final cause (the which. i’m sure I don’t need to remind you, is not to be confused with the First Mover.)
I’ve read complete books by Darwin and Dawkins: why don’t you read Glenn? You could do it in a morning!

Shame that you have to resort to infantile name-calling as a substitute for argument: to me such tactics appear as the equivalent of stamping hard on the ground, beating the chest, throwing dung and pulling frightenly ugly faces to deter any visitors from different tribes.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 01, 2010, 06:57 AM | #

Gorb: “people whose genetic endowment by some provision enables them to believe in the Mystery of the Holy Trinity are not thereby neccesarily destined to believe in Darwinism as well.”

Depends where you place the divine.  If you interpose Him where the words run out, that’s understandable.  It may not be right, but it is understandable.  However, the words run out before evolution makes an entrance - you have no need to take issue with Darwinism.

It’s a different matter, of course, if your real argument is with reason, in consequence of which you wind up with a know-all personal diety to create you-Gorb, then save you for Eternity when you decide to stop failing Life’s Test.  Doubtless, it’s very European to think like that (Jews don’t, orientals don’t).  But it’s a mindset causing us quite a deal of difficulty at the moment.

Posted by Gorboduc on July 01, 2010, 10:13 AM | #

What do you mean, GW?
You can’t understand that mindset’s workings - you’re saying “Duh?”
-or is it that you you find it outsmarts you?
Oh, and I DO need to take issue with Darwinism - as Hilaire Belloc says in stanza III of his Ballade of General Misapprehension:

So grin and bear it, Stupid, do not bleat:
You hungered after progress years ago:
You wanted science, and you’ve got it - neat:
You certainly desired “Hygiene” and lo!
You have it now - and mutter in your woe
Of bitter knowledge dearer bought than gold.
“These are the things that people do not know:
They do not know because they are not told.”

I remember that you quoted Belloc to me a few months ago . . .

YOu kep calling on Science to help you illuminate our dull minds and your insoluble problems - but she’s deaf, AND helpless, being a false goddess. BUT when you call upon SCIENCE, something else seems to arrive . . . careful there, GW! Back in the charmed and protected circle with you, or you may be taken . . .

I think I’ve suggested before that I hold you to be a FALLIBLE guide as to what my needs actually are.

I have no argument against Reason: but it needs saying that our definitions of what it IS are different.

Mine is the traditional one,  which is that weproceed logically, step-by-step from what we DO know, to unveil and clarify the things we DON’T know, and then know and understand them. Logic is the art of deriving new knowledge from old.

It was only last night on BBC’s Radio 4 that Dawkins remarked MOST irrationally and therefore MOST unscientifically, “We assume that the rate of genetic change is the same for all life forms” (These prob. aren’t his exact words, but it doesn’t matter, as although a scientist won’t do much harm if he ASSUMES that his assistant has gone home early (and Dawkins’s obviously had!) he will do incalculable harm to the body of knowledge he claims to possess - and to its reputation - if he bases any of it on ASSUMPTION!.

If your definition of reason includes assumptions, then you may need to rename it so as not to confuse people. It may be that yours is rooted in an obsolete and confusing French usage of the 18th. century.

You seem to ASSUME that you know my needs. They are a closed book to you!.

Posted by Guest Lurker on July 01, 2010, 10:42 AM | #

Jesus is a historical figure in a way that the Solutreans can’t ever be.

I don’t know how much research you did on the Solutreans, but it doesn’t seem to have been enough. People who made Solutrean flint blade technology most certainly did live in France during the height of the Ice Age about 20,000 years ago, and archaeologists like Dennis Stanford at the Smithsonian Institute think that these people did in fact skirt the north Atlantic ice sheets in skin boats and influence Clovis technology in the new world.

The historicity of Jesus, on the other hand, has been problematic.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 01, 2010, 10:54 AM | #

Gorb,

Every scientist makes assumptions based on the known best fit, for which he then devises a test.  It produces results which are as near true as we can achieve, which is why when you are taken ill you go to a hospital instead of a church where you would have recourse only to faith, or a seat of learning where you would have recourse only to reason.

It is science that conquers you.  Don’t pretend that it isn’t.

Posted by Gudmund on July 01, 2010, 01:31 PM | #

Can’t he be answered by something other than abuse?
>Gorboduc

I didn’t lose my cool.  I told the truth about what that particular poster is.  He lost his cool from the moment he typed something here in his trademark hysterical, obnoxious tone.  Do you want to continually waste your time with someone who has no desire to debate in good faith but rather spin you around with constant lies, abuse and obfuscation?  What I wrote wasn’t even an ad hominem because he’d have had to actually make an argument/proposition for me to refute.

@ Fred

Arslan is not white, he told me in our “debate” last year what he was - Maghreb, Levantine or Chechen, I don’t recall which.

Posted by Gorboduc on July 01, 2010, 04:37 PM | #

GL: I didn’t know there’s a problem about the historicity of Christ. How is it stated?

GW: Science conquers me? it doesn’t. Rubbish. My head is unbloody and unbowed, my spirit unbroken.

And every Catholic goes to a dentist /hospital when there’s something wrong with him. Did you not realise I knew that? Really!

Any Catholic would prefer the drill or the saw to a draught of Holy Water! Perhaps you don’t know many Catholics.

Pope Benedict XI (Prospero Lambertini) in the 18th. century warned stupid people about seeking miracle cures before they’d been checked out by competent medics, or worrying about demonic possession before psychiatric help and counselling had been extensively sought. He was perfectly aware of what imagination, pride, delusion and hysteria can do to folks. He was very wary of proclaiming miracles…

I did not realise that you did not know that.

You should read Philosopher King: The Humanist Pope Benedict XIV by Renee Haynes (London, 1970) for it will give you a good idea of Catholic rationalism in an age of scientific advance, in which he played his part: the Wellcome Institute possesses Benedict’a microscope, with the papal coat of arms on it.
[Renee was the daughter of ESP Haynes (1877-1949),  generally a strong supporter of the RPA, he in later life supported the Church’s role in protecting people from the depradations of the state, and Renee became a Catholic in the 1940’s.]

Gudmund: Well, you’ve been around here a lot longer than I have, so I’ll accept for now your statement that Arslan really isn’t worth answering. But I reserve my right to look back a bit and see what the troll actually said.
I certainly dislike his air of sexual boasting, which he seems to have learned from a not-so-old post of Silver’s: and there are all sorts of other echoes, in matter and idiom, of Silver.

Posted by jamesUK on July 01, 2010, 07:19 PM | #

@Arslan Amirkhanov

Show me ANY proof that Europeans are targeted for their race, and that they face treatment comparable to Chechens, Kurds, Palestinians, or any other group which is ACTUALLY being persecuted.  Please, show me some evidence.

Ethnic cleansing of Serbs 200,000 + from Kosovo, 3,500 massacred in Srebrenica.

Ethnic cleansing of 500,000 ethnic Russians , mass rape, torture, kidnap and murder BEFORE the first war from traditional Russian territory of the never existed fake country of Chechnya. Not to mention their involvement in sex trafficking, drug smuggling and every other criminal activity. 

Not your phoney persecuted Muslim minorities with fake death numbers and bogus atrocity stories based on the likes of CIA funded Memorial, Soros HRW and other organisations.

You do know that half a million Chechens live in Russia proper with free hosing and benefits most fled from their own regime independent regimes

For a “genocided” people there numbers seems to increase by more than double which is funny as their numbers are supposed to decrease not increase. 

Kurdish region of Turkey is territory that rightfully belongs to Armenians who settled after the Armenian genocide.

Islam = CIA/Saudi Arabian psyche-ops cult.

Posted by Gorboduc on July 01, 2010, 08:41 PM | #

Is Arslan Silver?

Are either of these gentlemen NEO-NIETZSCHE of approx. Feb 14 2010, who I think, handled his arguments with some skill and panache, kept the thread going for weeks and was not obviously regarded as a troll or a lunatic, and was not shown the door?

Posted by Gudmund on July 01, 2010, 11:41 PM | #

Are either of these gentlemen NEO-NIETZSCHE of approx. Feb 14 2010, who I think, handled his arguments with some skill and panache, kept the thread going for weeks and was not obviously regarded as a troll or a lunatic, and was not shown the door?

No.  NN has a writing style which I’ve never seen anyone emulate, I doubt they could.  He is known for appearing on racialist websites for a few months every once in a while, posting at a prolific rate, then disappearing again.  In any case, NN is a racialist - that he would create an anti-racist sockpuppet to troll seems too absurd to consider.

Posted by Al Ross on July 02, 2010, 07:52 AM | #

Gorboduc :  Your impudent and ludicrous Christian fairy tales still constitute Supernatural stuff, though - the odd syntactical solecisms of my posts not withstanding. Grow up and leave Father Brown behind.

Posted by Gorboduc on July 02, 2010, 04:04 PM | #

Oh for heaven’s sake, Al, why on earth “impudent”?
Oh. do you mean “Know your place, upstart!”?
That’s a bit like GW (somewhere up above) loftily addressing NN as “little man”. Self-revelatory.
And it wasn’t the syntax I objected to - I’m not a grammarian.
It was the meaning.
I don’t think I mentioned the supernatural either.
When did I last mention Fr. Brown?
I DID mention Msgr. Glenn.
Quite different.

Gudmund, I’m still not convinced.
There are several identical thumbprints, similarities of satyle and outlook.
Even some apparent paraphrases.
If I had time I’d try and show you.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 02, 2010, 04:18 PM | #

That’s a bit like GW (somewhere up above) loftily addressing NN as “little man”.  (—Gorb)

That was definitely not NN (NeoNietzsche), Gorb.

There are several identical thumbprints, similarities of style and outlook.  Even some apparent paraphrases.  If I had time I’d try and show you.

Nope.  Not NN.  Or Silver either.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 02, 2010, 04:36 PM | #

Gorb,

Fred, as usual, is right.  Arslan is Slavyanski, a troll who posts on his breathless exposees of racist whites at Mo Dees repulsive little nest of anti-white racism.  Mental illness meets Jewish hatred.  They deserve eachother.  They do not deserve our indulgence.

Posted by Gudmund on July 03, 2010, 02:18 PM | #

Arslan is Slavyanski, a troll who posts on his breathless exposees of racist whites at Mo Dees repulsive little nest of anti-white racism. 
>GW

Interesting.  A few years ago, before it fell into irreversible decline, VNNForum had a troll by the name of J.P. Slovjanski with the same style as this Arslan character (and 4700 some posts under his belt at that!).  Now that you mention this, I’m sure they are all one.  It makes me wonder if this particular entity is in fact on the government payroll as I cannot imagine someone spending that amount of time out of their lives to troll racialist websites with no benefit to themselves.  Even for a mentally ill person it seems a stretch.

Posted by Guessedworker on July 03, 2010, 03:27 PM | #

Even if he is on the government payroll he would have to be mentally ill or Jewish to be that dedicated, and I don’t think he is Jewish.

Posted by Grimoire on July 03, 2010, 11:51 PM | #

Silver I think. People should know that he is MR’s runaway experimental house wog. MR people should know that he is what is termed a ‘contrary’ and everything he says - he means the exact opposite.

Posted by John de Nugent on July 06, 2010, 12:23 AM | #

Arslan is the ultimate time-wasting sayan or troll.

My support—and vistor stats on my website—tripled after this show.

It is always a risk to be on a show where they can edit you afterward. The six-man Discovery crew—four non-whites, two of them Jews—spent four hours in my home and the editors then used under four minutes of it, trying to show only what they thought would harm me.

In reality, however, out of all that was shown in those four minutes the pistols scene itself was—as I fully anticipated—the element that caused the greatest increase in new supporters.

And I will continue to be armed whenever six strangers claiming ot be a film crew pile into my house.

I thrashed Steeds so thoroughly—the host—that had I not done the pistols scene they would not have used anything at all.

Finally, this appearance gave me the right to say I was on the Discovery Channel, and indeed I was on the trailers for a week before the show. This was a hatchet job but it was also a major step.

Posted by Al Ross on July 06, 2010, 10:25 AM | #

Now look here, Gorboduc , old chap,your arsebanditry - obsessed homosexualism notwithstanding, there is absolutely no point in your fretting about White EGI, simply because deviant types such as your dubious self have no future whatsoever in that moist regard.

Posted by Gorboduc on July 07, 2010, 05:15 PM | #

Al: 1) I simply have no idea what you are on about.
Why ever are you posting about rears?
It’s a good job I didn’t amplify my little catalogue of supposedly frightening tactics (July 01, 2010, 10:17 AM) by including one distantly remembered from a “Babar the Elephant” book of my distant childhood, the painting of an ugly face on one’s hindquarters in the hope of scaring the enemy WHILE RETREATING.
I thought about it, then decided not to; but if my mere thinking the word hindquarters can have such an effect on you at such an expanse of time and space, I’ve simply NO idea what my writing this word will have on you: BOTTOM.
There, I’ve done it now . . .

I suppose you mean: No Christians Allowed. By Order!