Italy is different

Posted by Matthew on December 14, 2005, 12:28 PM | #

Italians seem to be the most racially healthy of all Western Europeans and probably to do with mediterranean blood in the stock.

It comes in handy when genocidal pressures of immigration are at your shores and borders.

I read somewhere that they had only 2% of their population being immigrants which would be the lowest of any European non eastern bloc country.

Mediterranean’s don’t seem to suffer from the same simplistic naivete that Northern Europeans do, with the Scandi being by far the worst.

Don’t forget, I live in MN next to these naive and painfully overly altruistic Swedes, Fins and Norwegians

Posted by ben tillman on December 14, 2005, 02:21 PM | #

Regarding the naivete of Scandinavians:

In “Jews and American Politics” by Stephen D. Isaacs (Doubleday 1974), the author reports the findings of a survey
conducted by the National Opinion Research Center for Dr. Melvin Kohn of the National Institute of Mental Health.  The survey attempted to assess various ethnic groups’ comparable levels of distrust. The scale went from Plus 4—most trusting—to Minus 4—least trusting:
 
GROUP ORDER AND SCORE
 
+2.506 Irish Catholic
+1.583 Scandinavian Protestant
+1.481 Slavic Catholic
+0.767 German Protestant
+0.757 German Catholic
+0.502 Italian Catholic
+0.242 White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant
-3.106 Jewish

Posted by ben tillman on December 14, 2005, 02:23 PM | #

The above survey was done in the U.S. and sampled U.S. ethnoreligious categories.

Posted by Matt on December 14, 2005, 04:56 PM | #

Ben

thanks for this as it seems about right to me.  I grew up in Iowa and am “German” Protestant and was shocked at the level of unfriendliness in UK when I lived there compared to Iowa’s German protestant community which to me translated to trust levels. 

Although in both the study above and my anecdotal experience this could be due to white ethnic groups not in a homegeneous environment(as pertaining to sub euro group) and by me being an overfriendly annoying american, respectively

Another anecdotal observation would be higher levels of trust in my father pure German breed compared my mothers German(Jewish in the Closet*) genotype/phenotype.

*Don’t tell my mom as everyone Jewish person I meet asks if I am Jewish and people say I look like the actor Steve Guttenberg(German Jewish Descent) and I have all the KMD described Jewish behavioural traits

BTW, doesn’t bother me at all nor does it stop me from being critical of Genocidal anti-white jewish movements.  Heck, if the anti-white Jews would become hardcore anti-immigration and drop the anti-white media parade, I might even consider switching the gray matter off and supporting there Zionist scheme of spreading democracy to the Middle East!  lol

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 05:31 PM | #

+0.242 White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant

Huh, I guess my ethnic identity and my politics are no coincidence!

Any commentary Ben (vis-a-vis WASPs in particular, but generally is good too)?  We don’t get enough out of you these days. 

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 05:35 PM | #

BTW, doesn’t bother me at all nor does it stop me from being critical of Genocidal anti-white jewish movements.  Heck, if the anti-white Jews would become hardcore anti-immigration and drop the anti-white media parade, I might even consider switching the gray matter off and supporting there Zionist scheme of spreading democracy to the Middle East!  lol

Then it doesn’t bother me either.  I just wish you were 100% jewish so I could shout “huzzah! At last I found one!”

Posted by Svigor on December 14, 2005, 05:40 PM | #

+2.506 Irish Catholic

Ben, does this mean I should mitigate my occasional criticism of Irish politics, or at least update it to include their character as contributing as well as their problems with the English?

Posted by Matra on December 15, 2005, 01:20 AM | #

Lazio has a bit of a reputation when it comes to politics.

Posted by Guessedworker on December 15, 2005, 06:12 AM | #

Ben has one of the most acute minds on the scene as well as a store of very interesting information I hear from no one else.  I entirely agree with Svi that “we don’t get enough out of him”.

As an Englishman I am often made aware of the preference among Scots for welfarism, if not full-blown, old-fashioned socialism.  It has often occured to me that such traditions might be associated in some hand-me-down way with northerliness - a distant, clannish product of the intensely cooperative behaviourial patterns necessary for settlers to survive in such environments.

Of course, I understand that the peoples of Scotland’s old industrial belt were probably more Germanic than Celtic.  But Glaswegians surely identify more with the tartan than with the Auld Enemy.

There is, perhaps, some subtle but useful comment to be got from this on the sympathy between strictly hereditarian behaviour and non-native behaviourial adoption.  It might be that non-natives, while they haven’t evolved inate behaviours in response to the physical environment, nonetheless adapt to the existing behaviourial environment with the force of, say, a Catholic convert!  This would, then, be more than a conscious “When in Rome ...” -style adaptation.  I don’t doubt that genetic distance would also be a controlling feature.

Posted by GreetingsFromItaly on December 16, 2005, 12:24 PM | #

During all that match the Livorno fans were singing “bandiera rossa” and “bella ciao” (two communist party songs). Lucarelli, a Livorno soccer player, often gives a communist salute to its fans and supporters, but obviously nobody has anything to say about it, because, as all we know, communists NEVER hurt or killed anybody in the world, isn’t it? 

Posted by John Mehic on March 25, 2009, 07:58 AM | #

I’ve also seen this type of behavior during the soccer drills, of some of the clubs down here.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2009, 09:22 AM | #

“Lucarelli, a Livorno soccer player, often gives a communist salute to its fans and supporters”  (—GreetingsFromItaly)

“A communist salute”?  What’s that?  How does it go?  What’s it look like?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2009, 10:08 AM | #

This must be it:  arm thrust straight forward with palm down and fist clenched. 

http://ilker11.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B5F52A98568A24AA!216.entry

Similar (naturally!) to the “black power” salute in the States — the “black power” salute has the arm held straight up in the air, with fist clenched.

Which salute looks more menacing, by the way — the clenched-fist ones or the fascist open-hand one of the Romans, and formerly (till the war) of the U.S. boyscouts and in fact of all U.S. schoolkids as they recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning at opening of class?  I know which one I’d pick.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2009, 10:10 AM | #

Sorry, here’s the photo of Lucarelli saluting:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2742/redeibomber6kj.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ilker11.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B5F52A98568A24AA!216.entry&usg=__Zo6ZWi4qUJOCMk-CLPtOTiwc9OQ=&h=480&w=640&sz=34&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=DoIrN_BeijBe2M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev;=/images?q=Lucarelli&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G&ie=UTF-8

Posted by Fred Scrooby on March 25, 2009, 10:13 AM | #

That one didn’t come out either.  Try this one (if this doesn’t work, just google it):

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2742/redeibomber6kj.jpg