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He is eighty percent certain that he has a genuine document that suggest that 2.4 million Polish Jews were killed at the Operation Reinhardt camps: Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka. This contradicts a scientific report published on his website of a ground penetrating radar examination that found that no mass graves of the necessary size ever existed at Treblinka. David’s document may be persuasive. Readers of his Hitler’s War know that he was never shy about reporting German atrocities for which he had uncovered documentary proof. Hitler’s personal involvement in the murder of the Polish nobility is one instance. Mass shootings of Jews during the Russian campaign in another. His thoughtcrimes have always been his failure to find persuasive documentary evidence that Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews in his empire – and to say so. No historian has found persuasive documentary evidence that Hitler issued any extermination order either. David still insists that Hitler was in the dark about a clandestine program that some powerful subordinates organized and directed for the liquidation of European Jews. No historians of the Revisionist school have ever denied that Jews were set apart and deported and exploited. None have denied that mass shootings took place. All have been disturbed by anomalies in the version of events that many people are required to believe and all have been indoctrinated to accept. Arthur Butz pointed out that number of Jewish survivors was inconsistent if an all-powerful dictator had ordered the systematical extermination of the Jews in his domain. Perhaps we have all been misled by the propaganda about the role of the Auschwitz concentration camp complex. The scale of exterminations asserted to have taken place there are so enormous and the evidence for them so incommensurate that a rational person begins to doubt the official story. David is still an Auschwitz skeptic. He insists that tourists are still shown fake watchtowers and a fake gas chamber. It was not the center of the killing operation. The reactions of the Jewish genetic clustering to Hitler’s War and other Revisionist books and articles has been so arrogant, rude, ruthless, venomous and dishonest that it has backfired. People who simply wanted to know the facts met an implacable enemy. People who wanted to understand the Final Solution began to study the Jews. Most us, and I am sure this is true of David, wish we didn’t know now what we didn’t know then. Today David Irving believes the Jews were responsible for what happened to them in the Second World War. This is a far more radical conclusion than saying there was no documentary evidence linking Hitler to a decision to exterminate them. David often has condemned the perpetrators of “innocenticide”. The mass murderers on all sides during the Second World War in Europe were fair game. Now he singles out one group whom everyone agrees were victims of mass killings and tells us this group was responsible for what happened to them. What distinguishes the Jews from the groups of victims still covered by the term innocenticide? In 1941 everyone who wanted to know realized the murder machine commanded by Lenin and Stalin was administered by Jews. Everyone who wanted to know knew that when Stalin occupied Eastern Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia Jews celebrated the Communist invasions and volunteered to oppress their non-Jewish fellow citizens. Everyone who wanted to know knew that Jews occupied leading positions in the Socialist and Communist parties in Western Europe. Everyone who wanted to know knew that Jewish newspapers and major organizations had regarded themselves at war with Germany since 1933. What kind of war against Germany was the Jewish press promoting? In the city from which Anne Frank was deported, a Jewish newspaper told its readers: “The millions of Jews who live in America, England, France, in North and South Africa, not to forget Palestine, are resolved to take the war of extermination to Germany, right to her total annihilation.” Centraalblad coor Israeliten in Nederland. September 13, 1939. The German equivalent of the Department of Homeland Security contained specialists who monitored Jewish activities. We know that when an American Jew published a book entitled “Germany Must Perish” it was discussed by SS men at Auschwitz. Giving a dictator who was familiar with the least savory expects of the Talmud more reasons to hate them was not a prudent move. Especially since this dictator had not scrupled to consent to the execution of one of the few men who addressed him with the intimate form of you. Henry Kissinger remarked about his ethnic group: “Any people who have been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong.” Persecuting David Irving was not a prudent move. As more persecution was applied to him and to other researchers, more people became suspicious of the good faith of the persecutors and more people began to dig into the history of the Jews. Recently a former Central Intelligence Agency official told a national television audience that Israel was not worth one American dollar or one American life. He said this quietly and politely. Many people in the audience applauded. If the Jews were responsible for what happened to them as David Irving now believes, it follows that whatever Hitler ordered or his subordinates clandestinely initiated were pragmatic responses by ruthless men to a genetic clustering that threatened them. Posted by Robert Reis on Tuesday, October 2, 2007 at 01:45 PM in That Question Again Comments:2
Posted by VLC on October 02, 2007, 11:55 PM | # you can watch the exchange between Scheuer and Maher here: 3
Posted by Slavyanski on October 03, 2007, 05:04 AM | # Perhaps Krege found no mass graves because he has never produced any credentials that he even knows how to use Ground Penetrating Radar, and his study was never peer-reviewed by anyone whatsoever. 4
Posted by Lurker on October 03, 2007, 05:40 AM | # Maybe Slavyanski, but why only him, one guy. Why in 60 years have there not been one hundred archaeological studies (or more) after all with all those millions of bodies waiting to be found. 5
Posted by Slavyanski on October 03, 2007, 07:55 AM | # Honestly…did you ever even bother to check? 6
Posted by Robert Reis on October 03, 2007, 01:11 PM | # Carlo Mattogno, Jürgen Graf, Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?, Theses & Dissertations Press, Chicago 2004, pb, 370 pp., $25.- Our interest in Treblinka was renewed by the end of 1999, when our Australian friend Fredrick Töben informed us of the ground-penetrating radar investigations by his fellow Australian Richard Krege, a young engineer. By means of radar, which discovers irregularities of the soil structure and can indicate underground finds as buried objects and grave sites, Krege investigated the area of Treblinka, which, according to eyewitnesses, contained huge mass graves. Since neither Treblinka, nor Belzec, Sobibor, or Chelmno are alleged to have had crematoria, the corpses of 750,000 to three million murdered Jews (the numbers depending on the author) were first buried in mass graves, but then, following the spring of 1943, dug up and cremated in open air on huge gratings, allegedly without leaving a trace. Based on preliminary results from several days worth of radar investigations in October 1999, Krege came to the conclusion that the soil in the zone of the alleged mass graves was completely untouched and that therefore the graves had never existed. This was exciting news. If Krege’s results were correct, then the extermination camp story was, with absolute scientific certainty, finished, for the official version of Treblinka stands and falls with the existence of those graves. I quickly contacted the Australian engineer by telephone in order to learn the details. He informed me that his data were incomplete: Further on-site investigations were necessary. He also planned to check out Belzec and Sobibor. We decided to work together. The next station was Belzec, where my colleague found ideal working conditions. Although about 600,000 Jews are alleged to have been gassed in this tiny camp, i.e. one tenth of the famous “six million,” it attracts few visitors, and the Polish authorities have not thought it necessary to build a museum there. Therefore Krege could work there for days undisturbed, especially since Mother Nature was smiling on us. Conditions were different in Sobibor: First, there is a museum at the entrance to the camp, the employees of which are quick to notice any unauthorized activity in the camp area, and second, as a young Polish historian who worked in the museum informed us, the exact (or supposed) location of the mass graves is unknown. Since the historian knew Mattogno and myself to be revisionists from our previous visit in 1997, we renounced any secrecy and asked for permission to employ the radar equipment. The man referred us to an office in Warsaw to obtain the necessary approval; we declined so futile an effort and continued on to Treblinka. There we stayed in a well-kept country guest house at the edge of the small town Ostrow, not far from Treblinka. Over the following days Krege worked tirelessly with his radar equipment, checking out every square meter of ground in the area of the alleged mass graves. Since buses with (frequently Israeli) Holocaust tourists arrived continuously, I was on tenterhooks throughout. Luckily the industrious activity of my companion caused no suspicion among the Holocaust pilgrims, and we left Treblinka without any awkward incidents. Krege returned to his home via Germany the following day, while my path led me further east – first to Lemberg (Lviv), in Ukraine, where I researched for several days in the local archive, then to on Moscow, and two months later to the Orient. But that is another story. Richard Krege presented the initial results of his research, displayed on slides, at two conferences (in June 2001 in Washington and in January 2002 in Moscow). While the scans of Birkenau showed evidence of massive ground disturbances, strengthening support for the presence of an earlier mass grave, all traces of similar soil disturbances are missing in Treblinka and Belzec. The only logical conclusion is that these huge mass graves, containing up to one and a half million corpses (per Encyclopedia of the Holocaust: 870,000 in Treblinka and 600,000 in Belzec), never existed. This fact alone suffices to make the official version of the Holocaust collapse like a house of cards. 7
Posted by Robert Reis on October 03, 2007, 01:18 PM | # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHdXXnQRIPo You can watch the ground penetrating radar at work in Treblinka. Cheers, RER 8
Posted by Fr. John on October 03, 2007, 11:53 PM | # “Today David Irving believes the Jews were responsible for what happened to them in the Second World War. This is a far more radical conclusion than saying there was no documentary evidence linking Hitler to a decision to exterminate them.” OF COURSE the Jews were responsible for what happened to them! They even admit online that Hitler was GOD’S SCOURGE on THEIR APOSTASY! As has been written, “The Torah-true-Jews proclaim: “[The Zionists] provoked and increased anti-Semitism in Europe which led to the 2nd World War ... The world-wide boycott against Germany in 1933 and the later all-out declaration of war against Germany [were] initiated by the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress ... The Role of Zionism in the Holocaust ... The Zionist leaders were ‘spiritually and physically responsible’.” -Found online at (http://www.jewsnotzionists.org) quoted in an article, located at http://www.newsturmer.com/TNS%202004/the_6.htm. Such a people, with such a psychosis. Irving has not discovered anything that the Church Fathers have not known for 2000 years. And, as more knowledge of this sort comes to light, frankly, the Jews can all go cluster [bleep]themselves. If ‘comedienne’ Ms. Silverman’s potty mouth is any indication, it’s what motivates their hatred and envy of Anglos, anyway. 9
Posted by Svigor on October 04, 2007, 08:35 AM | # Honestly…did you ever even bother to check? I have. Have you? According to my several Google searches, nobody but revisionists puts the phrase “ground penetrating radar” and the word “holocaust” together, much less attempts actual GPR surveys of relevant sites. With all the yapping done by revisionists and skeptics, and the mountains of money available to the orthodox holocaust zealots, you’d think by now they’d have surveyed every inch of soil within a mile of every potential mass extermination site and posted the narrative-confirming data all over the Web, complete with shiny graphs and the whole nine yards. But, the holocaust industry is instead like a widget company with a big shiny office building, an army of lawyers, researchers, marketers, PR people, ad men, spokespeople, financiers, etc., and a dilapidated, leaky, unlit, drafty shed out back that should contain millions of gleaming widgets but in fact only houses a decades-old mop and bucket, and some rats. Sorta like “a show about nothing.” Kinda like Enron. The revisionists seem more interested in hard data, per se, than the orthodox historians. 10
Posted by Slavyanski on October 05, 2007, 01:15 AM | # Wow, a Google search. That’s in depth research. Did it ever occur to you that there are other ways to find graves? Or that Krege has not proven his proficiency in using GPR? 11
Posted by Al Ross on October 05, 2007, 02:00 AM | # Three individuals who must have known of World War Two’s Holocaust,viz., Churchill, De Gaulle and Eisenhower, wrote voluminously on that matchless human tragedy in their respective memoirs : 12
Posted by Al Ross on October 05, 2007, 02:02 AM | # http://www.rense.com/general69/porof.htm The above should be correct. 13
Posted by Robert Reis on October 05, 2007, 04:23 AM | # Richard Krege Richard Krege ____________________ Pia Akerman and Richard Sproull December 14, 2006-The Australian AN electrical engineer who works for federal agency Airservices Australia has told a revisionist Holocaust conference in Iran there were no mass killings at Treblinka, one of the Nazis’ most notorious concentration camps. Richard Krege, who is on annual leave from the Canberra-based agency, said that only 5000 people died at Treblinka, from disease, and used his own model of the concentration camp to illustrate his claims. Slavyanski, learn how to research. RER 14
Posted by Robert Reis on October 05, 2007, 04:52 AM | # http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/ “She could have used any number of sources for her paper,” Dershowitz’ explained, “but for some reason, one of her citations mentioned the book Did Six Million Really Die? by imprisoned Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.” “I admit there were misunderstandings,” Njiem says. “But I did not actually quote the book. I quoted a German legal reference that happened to be cited in the book. Also, the citation was only one of three hundred miscellaneous citations in my paper, and I was commended for the thoroughness of my research. Furthermore the author of Did Six Million Really Die? was not Ernst Zundel, but Richard Verrall, whose pen name was Richard Harwood.” Saul Rubin, Dean of Harvard Law School, submitted the matter to an academic review board. “The German legal reference was obscure, and Ms. Njiem could have citied it directly, or through some other work,” Rubin says. “That fact that her paper’s bibliography mentioned Zundel’s Did Six Million Really Die? is indicative of carelessness or maliciousness. Either way, we were forced to take Ms. Aljiem’s status under advisement.” A series of further misunderstandings ensued, at the end of which the review board ruled against Najiem. Harvard Law School was forced to revoke her academic status, which had the effect of expelling her. “The book has been outlawed in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, and most of mainland Europe,” Dershowitz explains. “To use such a hate-filled reference in a scholarly work strikes me as more than a coincidence.” Alhiem, who is a Muslim, asked the law school if it would expel a student for citing Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses, which has been outlawed in most Muslim nations. “They told me no they would not, because Rushdie’s book does not deny the Holocaust. They also objected to my use of a book that has been banned in several countries. My position is that many banned books turn out later to be literary classics. The Soviet Union banned Orwell’s novel 1984. England banned Orwell’s Animal Farm, plus Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations. America banned Harriet Beecher Stowe’s anti-slavery book Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Iran banned Vladimir Nabokov’s novel Lolita. Is America the same as the Islamofascists?” “That’s a clever argument,” Dershowitz says, “but none of those books killed six million people. Moreover, a book like Rushdies’ Satanic Verses merely questions theology and belief, while Zundel’s book is a hate-filled assault on well-documented truth.” Njiem submiited a formal apology, and offered to rewrite the paper without the citation, but dean Saul Rubin said the review board’s decision was final, and was out of his hands. “I can see the board’s point,” Rubin explains. “When a person commits a robbery, do we excuse her merely because she says he’s sorry? As an aspiring criminal attorney, Ms. Njiem surely realizes that all of us must take personal responsibility for our actions.” After her expulsion, Njiem applied to other law schools in the hope of finishing her education, but she says they all rejected her because of the incident at Harvard. “Now I have no way to pay back my school loans. Harvard wants to make an example of me. They also want to separate Muslims from the rest of American society by creating the illusion that only Muslims deserve to be attacked. In reality, many people are attacked; not just Muslims.” “That’s a typical blame-the-victim response,” Dershowitz says. “Whenever hate is exposed, its perpetrators claim that their people are singled out as a group for unfair treatment. This is only my opinion, but it seems to me that all Muslims over-generalize, especially about Jews. Also, it is absurd for Ms. Njiem to claim that only Muslims are held accountable. Is Zundel, the book’s author, a Muslim? We see this kind of illogic and selective quoting all the time. Frankly, I find it hypocritical.” Aljiem plans to sue the university law school to reinstate her academic status. Representing the law school will be a team led Alan Dershowitz, who was not part of the review board. 15
Posted by Robert Reis on April 29, 2008, 03:45 PM | # http://churchofnobody.blogspot.com/2008/01/holocaust-made-in-germany.html
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Posted by Joshua on July 10, 2011, 02:21 PM | # Well, I don´t deny the holocaust. But I don´t accept it for guaranteed either. I´ve red the arguments on both sides. Still, I find the “yes there was” side very, very, very weak. All they present is a couple of Nazi´s telegrams, which we don´t know they are fake, and which are not tottaly clear. Plus, obviously, testimonials of guards, camp directors and victims. Yes, it is true that in general, testimonies are in line with each other, however, some inconsistencies can be found. And that´s pretty much all they got to prove 6 million people died in death camps. Well, I think that a lor more could be done to prove it. If modern science can accurately find events that occured millions of years ago, why not some little investigation on death camps? If it happen what all modern historians claim, I am absolutely sure there will still be plenty of evidence. 65 years after it´s nothing for modern science. Modern archaeology accurately prooves stuff that happened 6000 years ago. So .. If revisionists bother so much to the point of emprisioning them, why not develloping scientific studies on the death camps to shut their mouths for once? This is all I ask. Provide me some credible studies and I will drop the case right after. I am no nazi or jew hater. Just a normal guy seeking for evidence. Until then, I am sorry but I won´t believe a story just because is propaganded every day. Next entry: Why the GOP Must Nominate Ron Paul Previous entry: No Diabetes Pride Parade |
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Posted by 2R on October 02, 2007, 10:08 PM | #
“Recently a former Central Intelligence Agency official told a national television audience that Israel was not worth one American dollar or one American life. He said this quietly and politely. Many people in the audience applauded.”
This was of course on Bill Maher’s [J] show. I once heard him applauding the fact that 14 year old White girls were selling their bodies for designer clothes outside some shopping mall. He has a following of similar intellectual lightweights who just like him, think they know everything.
The Irving jailing is more proof that the Jews can’t handle the truth being said about them. Its funny how when we learned about “The Holocaust” in school, that they never told us about the “geysers of blood” that supposedly came out of the ground. We also never heard about the “electricity rooms” either?
Anyway, for practical political reasons I think we’re better off not talking about “The Holocaust.” No lie has been drilled in the populace’s head more than the Holohoax. It truly is amazing that something like this could even be possible. This is the biggest lie ever told. It really is something? Sometimes I wonder if its some kind of a curse knowing the truth about this. Wasn’t I happier when I was ignorant? I think I was. Maybe I can go to a hypnotist and see if he can erase everything I know regarding the Holohoax and other such disturbing truths in history?
I’m not sure the Irving jailing did backfire? I know many people who think people should be arrested for doubting the Holohoax. Especially young people, and they’re supposed to be the most “open minded.” I tried to set the record straight about Martin Luther King is one of my college classes and the instructor actually forbid-ed me to talk about it. The black girl jumped up and down but the worse reaction came from the self-richeous whites, who though I was the reincarnation of Dr. Mengele just for pointing out that MLK cheated on his dissertation and used church funds to buy white prostitutes?