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Latest score: EDL 1 UAF 0On the day that the honest journeymen of Stoke City eliminated the Afro-continental nancy-boys of Arsenal FC from the FA Cup, 1500 supporters of the English Defence League took their anti-Muslim counter-Jihad to the streets of Stoke-on-Trent on Saturday, for what is probably the largest EDL outing to date. From all accounts the Antifa response was relatively muted. Trouble at Stoke-on-Trent English Defence League rally The following clip was taken in a city centre pub to which dozens of EDL supporters had repaired. The Cap’n will be pleased to note that the old footie anthem ‘There were ten German bombers in the air’ has now been updated to ‘There were ten muslim bombers …’. Is it possible to conceive of a scenario in which 49er fans would ever abandon their pre-match tailgate partying for direct action along similar lines?
Posted by Dan Dare on Sunday, January 24, 2010 at 02:08 PM in Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on January 24, 2010, 08:55 PM | # I cannot make up my mind about the EDL. Their political positions are completely useless, of course. The BNP regards has banned members from joining them, and see them as a millstone around nationalism’s neck. But it is still heartening to see protest on the streets, and to the numbers going up, too. 3
Posted by Desmond Jones on January 24, 2010, 09:11 PM | # The EDL flag. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/05/article-1211414-064DD132000005DC-417_636x525.jpg 4
Posted by Captainchaos on January 24, 2010, 09:34 PM | # The Cap’n can understand Krautish master-racism, Jew-expulsion and lebensraum-lust a lot easier than he can understand shit like this:
If that ain’t Hitler’s Revenge then I don’t know what is. 5
Posted by Desmond Jones on January 24, 2010, 09:41 PM | # “English Defence League address charges of racism and burn a swastika.” Some of those English boys have some nice tans. http://malung-tv-news.blogspot.com/2009/10/english-defence-youth.html 6
Posted by Dan Dare on January 25, 2010, 03:19 AM | # Well of course GW, their political orientations are all at sea, but that doesn’t detract from what is in my view their most important contribution - demonstrating that collective resistance is still possible. That said, it seems that for some of our resident purists even instant gratification takes too long and nothing less than immaculate perfection will do. 7
Posted by PF on January 25, 2010, 03:29 AM | #
If I remember correctly when I discovered MajorityRights in beginning of 2007, the NS debate was always lurking around the corner, ready to pop up. Kind of like the Christianity debate. There were endless, absolutely *endless* threads discussing the finer points of historical happenstance about WWII and its possible outcomes. Is that your remembrance of it, GW? (assuming your reading this). It struck me as pretty depressing and useless, but in the meantime has become for me part of nostalgic internet lore. For example, when Wintermute used to post. I often wonder if Wintermute wasn’t the same well-read, psychologically brilliant, well-rounded articulate Anglo polymath from the Texas region who wrote a series of articles about rediscovering masculinity under the name of Pook. I used to read articles by Pook in a seduction forum, i.e. a forum about how to get girls. Today I re-read those articles and the brilliance only goes deeper and deeper. Yet how many all-commanding intellects are there in Texas of that calibre? Its the extremely fine nature of the prose that makes me suspicious… anybody else ever reminisce about those days? 8
Posted by Bill on January 25, 2010, 04:56 AM | # These people are getting a damned easy ride from the media, government, police. What gives? 9
Posted by Nog Nig on January 25, 2010, 05:59 AM | # Sorry to burst your bubble Mr. Dare, but it’s a well known fact in nationalist circles that the EDL is nothing more than a Mossad funded and organised (and MI5 approved) ‘false flag’ operation - they are NOT genuine White Nationalist at all (Alan Lake the shadowy founder of the group is a prominent Jewish ‘businessman’, Matthew Kaplan, ‘media officer’ of the EDL is a Jew from Seattle USA and a Mossad asset).The EDL has prominent half-caste senior officers.An Israeli ‘Star of David’ flag was prominently brandished ate a recent EDL demo. 10
Posted by Nog Nig on January 25, 2010, 07:17 AM | # Some might get a vicarious buzz out of seeing the great unwashed at prayer (you know the type of useless shitcunt who’s only interested in beer, football and EastEnders making woo-hoo-hoo noises loudly to prove how ‘hard’ they are - but notice only when in a pack of likewise brain-dead tossers).Relax, the wankers are merely cannon-fodder.The Zionists who run the EDL know this of course, you see the dumb-beast, big-boned blond type of Goy inveigled to join the EDL serves his purpose well.Whilst Hymie is in his counting-house, the Goy pigs (when not getting beaten up wiley pakis and the ANaL mad-dogs) can be relied upon to be baton-charged and having their teeth ritualy knocked out (yes, it’s standard Met. operating procedure), by Her Majesty’s finest - and when push comes to shove, live bullets will most certainly be emptied into dumb goy pig flesh if and when a hair on the head of the precious and priveleged class is harmed….....you don’t believe me?, we’ll you’ve got a lot to learn about the way of Britain 2010. 11
Posted by Dan Dare on January 25, 2010, 12:29 PM | # @ Mr. Nig: A little closer reading would have revealed that I did not make any comment concerning the EDL’s ‘platform’ or its organisation. In fact I tend to view it as more of a catalyst and interim ‘placeholder’ for what will inevitably emerge on a much larger scale in the not too-distant future once a more general re-awakening takes place. Rather like the BNP itself, in fact. 12
Posted by Guessedworker on January 25, 2010, 12:52 PM | # Nog Nig, Have you been in communication with anyone involved in the EDL? I have. I can tell you that that individual is perfectly sincere and is not manipulated in any direct sense. The Mad Dogs are trying hard to tie the BNP to the EDL. In turn the BNP is trying hard to avoid any conflation between the two in the public mind. This, and the suspicion that it must all go spectacularly wrong eventually, is why membership of the EDL is barred to BNP members. Further, even if the EDL is Jew-controlled like SIOE, I am not indisposed to visible resistance. At the level of the street and the ballot box there are only imperfect solutions today. There is always time to influence the process. But with no process there is also no influence. Let’s watch and wait and see how the situation shapes up. I note your hatred for the “dumb-beast, big-boned blond type”. I’m pretty sure sure that is not the sort of sentiment on which a successful politics of English survival can be built. But I will assume you were only writing in a florid way for effect and, actually, you don’t despise any of your own people, even the ones with big bones and blond hair. 13
Posted by Captainchaos on January 25, 2010, 07:14 PM | # The struggles of the National Socialists and the methods used by them to triumph over their enemies are absolutely applicable today. There is no hardship, no obstacle that we will be face with now that they did not surmount. And if one doesn’t realize that, I am afraid that they are the one who just doesn’t get it. Succumbing to the negative emotions that one has been conditioned to have in relation to National Socialism is for the likes of the lemmings who flesh out the ranks of the EDL, not for White men who would be of any use to their people in a way other than wringing their hands or marching drone-like. And remember, just because we may profit by the use of some of the methods of National Socialism doesn’t mean we have to implement the total program, or even call it National Socialism. The lemmings are very dumb, and/or very gullible, ‘same shit different box’ really does work like a charm. 14
Posted by Guessedworker on January 25, 2010, 08:01 PM | # CC, I asked you this before and I don’t believe you saw the question. What are the characteristics of NS that are beneficial to us and what are the characteristics that are harmful? How do they balance the scales? It’s a question that might have been asked, but never was, on this thread from August 08: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/filling_the_empirical_gap/ 15
Posted by Captainchaos on January 25, 2010, 09:40 PM | # GW, What NS does according to the Fuhrer Principle that is especially needed in times of disintegration and chaos in the life of a people is to empower the best men to lead. I mean natural leaders, the ones that rise to the challenge and relish it. Men that work best outside the normal constraints of society, formalized rules and bureaucracy. The Fuhrer principle can be thought of as a pyramid in which going progressively to its peak those men are themselves personally more free to do as they will, and their will being imposed more strictly if need be going down the pyramid. Yet, as the best men, they will ideally not abuse that power as by virtue of their being the best men less external authority is need in their case to rein them in as they are disciplined internally by superior will and character (and of course ability or they would not be effective decision makers). And of course there is the distinction between a Fuhrer Directive and a Fuhrer Order. The latter being an explicit command that is expected to be followed to the letter regardless of circumstance, the former a more or less general goal that a subordinate is tasked with which he is given the latitude to achieve it more or less as he sees fit but with the expectation from his superiors of results positive consistent with the initial goal. In that former instance, a man if given a chance to prove his mettle for leadership and to advance his personal fortunes in rising in the leadership hierarchy whilst serving his people. The confluence of empowering men of character who act in their self-interest in a way that is also consistent with the broader interests of their people. Excellence is rewarded, character is rewarded, serving one’s people is rewarded, self-interest is rewarded. 16
Posted by Captainchaos on January 25, 2010, 10:16 PM | # An interesting characteristic of Hitler as leader was that he was incorruptible in the ordinary sense, which flowed from his personally inwardly directed severe asceticism that eschewed unmanly foppish materialism. Something that cannot exactly be said of Churchill. For Hitler, to give up, to betray, to ever falter in his loyalty to his people at whatever the cost to himself was not a psychologically available option. And if he demanded that of the next man it cannot at least be claimed that he was a hypocrite for having done it. Yet if severe at times scaled to necessity as he saw it, let it be said that he was loved by his subordinates and his people as he was generous to them the product of him being a good man. 17
Posted by Guessedworker on January 26, 2010, 04:27 AM | # CC: An interesting characteristic of Hitler as leader was that he was incorruptible in the ordinary sense, which flowed from his personally inwardly directed severe asceticism that eschewed unmanly foppish materialism. Something that cannot exactly be said of Churchill. What do you make of Winston’s decision when, from being First Lord of the Admiralty and at the age of 41, he insisted on a posting to Northern France in atonement for Gallipoli, further insisted - it is said to get his hands on a drink or two - on front line duty and led his men with valour and always without consideration of personal risk? You are in danger of lionising the roundhead for his asceticism and missing the virtues of the cavalier because he wears a feather in his hat. Nonetheless, my question was more general than your reply. Is there anything else positive in National Socialism? How do the positives weigh against the negatives? 18
Posted by Leon Haller on January 26, 2010, 07:44 AM | # To Dan Dare: ATo whom wereyou referring by “49er fans”? San Francisco’s football team? Are you in the Bay Area? 19
Posted by Leon Haller on January 26, 2010, 07:53 AM | # Several months ago, I tried to post the following comment pertaining to the EDL at the website of the British ‘conservative’ magazine Standpoint. It was rejected, as had been its far more moderate predecessor (which I can’t seem to locate). “Journalistically, this article was adequate, if altogether too concerned with EDL’s ‘racism’, thus evincing leftist bias, and a lack of understanding of of what is really destroying Britain (in fairness, the EDL weaklings, with their touching concern about being labeled ‘racists’, obviously do not understand matters, either, and will be precisely useless as a vehicle of resistance to the accelerating annihilation of Britain, England, or any other entity or desirable aspect of the “Sceptered Isle”). The Stupid Party (UK Division) has never really understood the World Struggle of our time, which was never primarily between (Communist) East and (Capitalist; well, really Social Democratic) West, but rather between the white and non-white races for domination of the planet (as was recognized and predicted by the white-hating American Negro, W.E.B. Dubois, at the beginning of the 20th century). If Britain does not, first, end non-white immigration, and, second, ultimately deport EVERY non-white possessor of British citizenship (ie, not merely jihadist Muslims, who ought rather to be imprisoned upon discovery and capture, if Her Majesty’s subjects are now too weak simply to exterminate them, as a service to the civilized world), thus in effect declaring itself a unitary white racial state, then sooner or later (more likely much sooner), the indigenous people of Britain will find themselves racially and religiously oppressed refugees in their own ancient 20
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 26, 2010, 08:50 AM | #
How can they when their major donors (three guesses who those are) forbid it? It’s not about what Cameron wants, any more than the tune gets called by someone who hasn’t paid the piper. Cameron is the piper. The ones who own him pay him call the tune. How do they get around donor limits and disclosure laws? Don’t worry, they get around them. Show me Jewish political-party funding in the Eurosphere and I’ll show you open borders. We’re back to Alex Linder’s recommendation: don’t say “liberals,” say (fill in the blank) ______ . 21
Posted by Dasein on January 26, 2010, 12:12 PM | #
Even if this is true (I have no opinion on the matter, not having looked into it), remember that the Israelis were also involved early on with Hamas. Just because you’ve created something doesn’t mean you’re going to control it in perpetuum. 22
Posted by Dasein on January 26, 2010, 01:34 PM | #
I don’t know that the average supporter cares that much about Jews per se. The flag is part talisman, part provocation. Could be that the EDL leadership encourages the average member to feel pity for the poor Jew, but that’s not what’s getting this response. It’s ‘hate,’ not ‘love,’ however misguided each may be. 23
Posted by PF on January 26, 2010, 03:47 PM | # I’m reading this link. There is an interesting conversation where Captain Chaos says:
Funnily enough, he is remonstrated Friedrich Braun who is championing NS to Guessedworker!! lol, we all go round and round 24
Posted by Desmond Jones on January 26, 2010, 04:32 PM | #
It’s the whole point. This group, when corralled by the bobbies, in sight of the press cameras, just happen to have a big ol’ Star of David in their pocket, and suddenly unfurl it in a timely manner for a family picture. Clearly it’s set up. It’s like Harry Potter’s cloak of invisibility. The question is why? And then there is the alleged email from from Jacob Pres, National Director Jewish Defense League (JDL):
More recently, JDL Canada, with their American cousins, were lionizing Wilders and freedom of speech after a showing of the movie Fitna. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7F8EFBF3FF54FA5F All very interesting. 25
Posted by Dan Dare on January 26, 2010, 05:02 PM | # There seem to be two explanations for the prominent appearance of the Israeli flag at one of the recent EDL outings. The first is that it was carried by one or more of the shadowy Mossad operatives who Mr. Nig advises us are the creative directors behind the EDL’s street theatre. The second is that it is simply a another manifestation of the in-yer-face provocation of which English football fans are the World Champions. The name of the game is to settle upon those symbols and/or language that are most likely to goad the opposition into an apoplectic response. On the other hand some of the local tribalists don’t seem to have received the secret communiqué from Mossad Central and persist in calling for the EDL to be shown the red card.
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Posted by Guessedworker on January 26, 2010, 05:33 PM | # C’mon, these are the English working-class. They’ve got bottle. They like a laugh. They don’t give a fuck. The Israeli flag is a wind up. 27
Posted by Captainchaos on January 26, 2010, 05:35 PM | # I will admit that NS does have the minor drawback of effecting dramatic societal change within a racialist framework in a short amount of time. Of course if that is unpalatable to the great and the good there is always the option of allowing the race to wither on the vine. 28
Posted by Desmond Jones on January 26, 2010, 05:55 PM | # Who were they trying to offend/ wind up by encouraging British blacks to burn swastikas? The BNP? Just a highly orchestrated widely publicized laugh no don’t. 29
Posted by PF on January 26, 2010, 06:10 PM | #
GW linked to a thread above where he succinctly points out the corrupting tendencies of palingenesis. They are: deluded mythicization, cretinism of the ‘tough boy’ class, the advocacy of slavery, necessity of war-mongering implicit in the self-concept of the political entity, necessity of authoritarian power to crush dissent (the you-would-probably-have-to-kill-us-WNs-too paradox), .... not to mention the fossilization of our people’s self-expression into ‘great and glorious’ forms, such as befit our truly regal dignity [sarcasm]... and the one which really precludes NS from any politically realistic discussion: the offense to programmed white sensibilities which remains a fact on the ground, which it is impossible to ignore. For anyone who is a political realist. National socialism retrofitted to 21st century Western society is a surrealist vision. 1. NS is tactically a more abrupt and forceful realization of certain WN strategic goals than can be achieved within any other system. 2. NS can never (anymore) be implemented in a society composed of whites. The latter fact renders the former irrelevant. 30
Posted by Dan Dare on January 26, 2010, 06:16 PM | #
If that’s the case I’ll be having their guts for garters. 31
Posted by PF on January 26, 2010, 06:22 PM | #
LOL. 32
Posted by Desmond Jones on January 26, 2010, 06:29 PM | #
Well then it must be true. English football fans just happen to arrive wearing English Defence League t-shirts. Just for a laugh. Right. 33
Posted by Dasein on January 26, 2010, 06:37 PM | #
I don’t believe this. Germany, for one, is still collectivist relative to Anglosphere countries. Maybe it couldn’t be called NS until it got into power, but if someone had the force to begin implementing it, I don’t see that Germans would instinctively fight it. 34
Posted by Captainchaos on January 26, 2010, 06:57 PM | # I think it is more likely that something akin to National Socialism could be erected in Britain than America. There aren’t any CCTV cameras on every corner in my town with a speaker attached from which you may well hear “Move along!”. How’s about this instead: “Move away from that White woman!” Same shit, different script, see what I mean? 35
Posted by Dasein on January 26, 2010, 07:06 PM | #
Or “Mind your manners and say you’re sorry afterwards!” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246195/Boy-13-raped-woman-friends-jailed-just-years.html 36
Posted by Dan Dare on January 26, 2010, 07:15 PM | # Hmm you could be onto something there Cap’n.
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Posted by Captainchaos on January 26, 2010, 07:29 PM | # Whites in Europe (hell, even Canada) are per their cultural baseline closer to authoritarianism than Whites in America. They accept interference in their lives by the state as par for the course that if introduced in America it would be pitchfork and torch time. That is the double-edged sword of the American ‘civic religion’, gun-grabbers and speech-limiters are very much despised in many quarters as are ‘racists’. When they start in earnest to cut away at the first and second amendments that is when I suspect the real fun will begin. And as the wonders of diversity become ever more irksome to the maintenance of order I have no doubt that our rights will go on the chopping block. 38
Posted by Captainchaos on January 26, 2010, 08:24 PM | # Oh, yeah, in what ways does NS hurt us? The litany of crimes alleged against National Socialist Germany were done in the context of a war after which a new epoch would have begun in which the existence of the race would have been secured in perpetuity had Germany won. All the nations and peoples of Europe would have been brought into the NS system. Any implication that they would have been permanently enslaved and/or brutalized is very simply a lie. And claims to moral superiority when pointing out what Germans did as a necessity of winning the war that would have saved our race - whilst ignoring the crimes committed against the German people by the Allies that dwarf those committed by Germans - ring hollow. There is no equivalence, not in terms of the scope of the crimes of the respective sides, nor in the war objectives of the combatants. And to suggest that what was done in times of the most ferocious war ever fought to attain the highest value that there is is indicative of the essence of NS is rather foolish. 39
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 26, 2010, 09:27 PM | #
LOL!! 40
Posted by Captainchaos on January 26, 2010, 10:29 PM | # To sum up: I don’t see National Socialism harming Europeans in peace time (yes, that is a very important distinction) to any significant degree beyond which they are inclined to ‘harm’ themselves anyway - despite their much vaunted individualism (which is itself a kind of conditioned conformity in its present hypertrophied form) - in their all too apparent willingness to trade freedom for security, order and ideological conformity. Same shit, different script. That is apparently the condition of European Man. So, instead of gnashing one’s teeth, I would suggest we just accept ourselves as we are to the degree that is adaptive, and turn those cameras and those ‘human rights’ commissions on race-mixers and anti-White meme-peddlers. Authoritarianism and mass propaganda is already the estate you occupy, why not merely flip the script? 41
Posted by Captainchaos on January 26, 2010, 11:01 PM | # Also, to deny that what is needed, and in fact wanted, is a return to a mode of behavior for the people that is preferred to what we have now, the striving for which is aspirational and renewing, is to delude oneself. Call it whatever one may want, it is palingeneticism by any other name. It is blindingly obvious. 42
Posted by Nog Nig on January 27, 2010, 05:08 AM | # Look, I advise you all to just to log on to the EDL website and read what they have to say about the BNP and ‘racists’. 43
Posted by Calvin on January 29, 2010, 09:08 AM | # On reflection I have to agree with Nog. A drowning man will clutch at a straw, and superficially the activities of the EDL offer a glimmer of hope for national resistance to global liberalism. Like any apparent bargain, if it looks too good to be true, it generally is too good to be true, and the EDL, doesn’t look all that good in the first place. Essentially the EDL’s position is that multiculturalism is a great and noble thing, even Islam is welcome. The EDL only oppose “fundamentalist” Islam. The EDL are basically fighting for mass immigration and open borders. I’m a nationalist, I want my people to live in their country and to develop our culture based on our unique heritage, so I must assert my fundamental opposition to the EDL internationalists. The EDL have emerged on the eve of a possible political breakthrough by nationalists. They have emerged fully formed and well organized. They fulfill a stereotype of nationalism that revolves around ignorance, violence and aggression, basically the EDL are everything that the liberal intelligentsia ever warned you that nationalists are. The EDL puts nationalism firmly back where the intelligentsia can cope with it, where they want it, on the streets and far away from the ballot box. We also have to ask why this organization is not under massive attack? The BNP security team came close to prosecution for pushing a protester aside (the famous lady in the red jacket) whilst fleeing from a left wing attack! Where are the calls for this racist organization to be disbanded, where is the outrage, where is the legal onslaught? We are getting nothing from the usual suspects save an “I told you so” weary sigh of satisfaction from the media and the rat bag liberal confederation. The sun has risen on their most bountiful Christmas, these people are just as we have said they were! The bastardocracy have been pushing the “boots to suits” meme for the last ten years. It shouldn’t surprise us that they have decided to fulfil the prophecy by manipulation. 44
Posted by Dasein on April 21, 2010, 04:31 AM | # The EDL was in Berlin recently, at a relatively small demo organized by pro-Jewish, anti-Muslim groups. Here are some pics (notice the flags on the stage): http://picasaweb.google.ch/Teddymohammed/BerlinDemoFurGeertWildersAm18042010# Some reports on the event (in German): Next entry: The closing of the liberal mind Previous entry: Flags of the United States and British East India Company |
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Posted by Calvin on January 24, 2010, 03:17 PM | #
Please look at how demonstrating Muslims are treated by our PC enforcing, servile, trash Police Force. The Police are continuously abused, mocked and threatened and on more than one occasion, violent assaults are attempted. The triumphant, scornful and aggressive Muslim rabble is escorted by a retreating band of pussies who meekly implore the rat-bag Muslim foot-soldiers, who laugh in their snouts, not to be too aggressive. At no point is there any attempt to contain the protest or stop the march. In comparison the EDL are confronted, halted, corralled and deprived of their lawful right to protest. It’s one law if you are a brown skinned protester and another if you are a white skinned protester.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrH66PtYCOE&feature=related