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Lee John Barnes pulls the ripcordt’internet is abuzz with the latest sensation. Lee John Barnes has resigned his position as Legal Advisor to the BNP as well as, it seems, turning in his party card. Some say he was expelled – the official story is that Lee was sacked because of his call for nationalists to get behind the English Defence League in advance of their Big Push over the top into enemy territory later in the month – while Lee himself insists that he jumped and was not pushed, and that the primary motivation for his departure is his (somewhat belated and until hitherto well-concealed) displeasure at the direction the party has been travelling under the ‘Griffin-Dowson’ axis. It doesn’t seem all that long ago that I was taken to task by Lee for having the temerity to suggest that, in light of its most recent electoral outings, the BNP might be said to be underperforming, and that its current leadership had failed to take proper advantage of its unique franchise as the only credible voice for the indigenous British folk. For my troubles, Lee felt compelled to tar me as a coward, a pseudo-nationalist, gutless slime and as much the enemy as the enemy, on account of my ‘cowardice, cant and hypocrisy.’ And yet, Lee himself appears to be making many of the same points and, indeed, pointed criticisms of the party leadership that I (and others) have been making for quite some time, even as we, like him, refrained from unhelpful commentary during the run-up to the recent elections. But that is all of historical interest only, and what I feel certain many nationalists will be anxious to discuss is: where do we go from here? Does the BNP as such have a future, or is the time nigh for a new grouping to emerge, under a new leader with perhaps less baggage and more charisma? I’m sure that Lee John Barnes’s thoughts on the matter would be welcomed here; perhaps GW could initiate a contact. Posted by Dan Dare on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 at 02:07 AM in British Politics Comments:2
Posted by BGD on August 11, 2010, 06:51 AM | # As Nick Griffin has baggage, the BNP also has significant baggage too. If the leadership challenge fails at the first hurdle as all signs suggest then Nick Griffin will be in place for at least three years before handing the accession over to a ‘trusted colleague’. That is if bankruptcy doesn’t intervene. Therefore the party will have at least three more years of ‘business as usual’ aka flailing years before any form of resolution can occur. This challenge has caused deep divisions mainly between activists and the party and this will be a significant hindrance after the current process ends. In my mind either the party needs to have a fresh leadership team take over or a smaller party needs to be created that builds itself and its credibility while retaining membership of both parties in tandem. In the latter case waiting for an appropriate time to merge thereby offloading the shadows of both Nick Griffin and the BNP in the public mind while focusing all attention on the formation of a national front once again. Unfortunately with the BNP as the major force on the radical right the building of any rival will be very hard to accomplish. Additionally, it appears that the instincts of the reformers are to use the cover of civicism to increase their take-up. It will be interesting to see if the leadership nominations process goes the way of Mr Griffin and the above ground reformers are pushed out whether they can achieve anything from this angle. All other attempts at civicism seem to have found very stony ground to sow in. Perhaps this is a ripe occasion to revisit the discussions here around a civil rights organisation that can later morph. It is my consistent belief (or ‘feeling in my water’ admittedly not based on hard calculation) that the appropriate course for our politics is not using the camouflage of civic compromise as suggested by Lee and others but an ethno-nationalist focused party (with suggested accommodations to others) that uses better propaganda to get its message across. I can’t believe that a civic orientated party will hold the fire enabling it to capture our countrymen’s hearts as well as being liable to co-option by the mainstream parties. But I hear every day my countrymen crying out for a party that is not ‘extreme’ to come and solve the problem. That it is insoluble when framed in that context is the rub. 3
Posted by Thorn on August 11, 2010, 09:03 AM | # I think Bill has put his finger on what is taking place in the world, especially in the West. In the USA we labor under a two party system. Our only choice is between Republicans and Democrats. All third parties are effectively frozen out of the process except when a third party is beneficial, or serves some purpose for the Ruling Class. For example: to split the vote in favor of the Ruling Class’s preferred candidate, be (s)he GOP or Dem. For example: when Ross Perot formed the Reform Party and ran for president, his unexpressed purpose was to derail GHW Bushes chance for winning second term. Thus Slick Willie, the Ruling Class’s preferred candidate at that time, slid into the Oval Office. Here in America the two party system functions as an alliance between Corporate Charley (GOP) and Socialist Sammy (Dems.) i.e. - corporate socialists and socialist corporatists respectively. All others need not apply. On a global scale the Ruling Class isn’t about to let an unapproved political ideology or movement interfere with their grand agenda. Collectively, the organizations and national alliances that rule the modern world (The Bilderberg Group, WTO, CFR, G-7, G-20, The Business Round Table, international bankers, etc.), will NEVER allow a Party such as the BNP to take root and flourish. The Ruling Class, buttressed by government enforced hate speech laws, simply uses the propaganda arm of their power (MSM) to discredit their opposition. Hence, this is why we are witnessing the BNP’s ongoing dissolution. The hope in all this is the globalist system (NWO) cannot, and will not succeed - it goes against God and human nature. 4
Posted by Guessedworker on August 11, 2010, 12:29 PM | # At the moment, Bill, my take on this is that the party heirarchy are irredeemably corrupt or, in some cases, just terminally unwilling or unable to face reality. Til now I would have placed Lee, who in many respects I like and admire, in the unwilling category. All good men, in the end, must come home to themselves, and Lee has done that and in the process, I am sure, risen in a lot of people’s estimation. I wish him well. The membership, particularly the activist base, and the voters have been betrayed and, with them, the hope for life of the British people. A few weeks ago I decided to take a closer look at the online activity of British nationalists using four media: VNN, Green Arrow, British Democracy Forum and Nationalists Online. VNN was ghastly and I only visited a couple of time. Nationalists Online is similar intellectually. Green Arrow exemplifies all that is worst about political toadying. So I engaged at BDF where I thought I might discover some political gold among the iron pyrates. Alongside some solid and knowledgeable old-style nationalists and two up and coming but unformed youngsters were queers, civicists, Jews, and other hopeless cases. For my derisory treatment of these creatures I was banned by the pompous and supposedly libertarian clown who runs the forum. However, my overall impression is that there is not a stable, forward-moving political party to be got out of this motley crew. There are no leaders, no strategists, no theorists and definitely no politicians. The progress made at the Europeans in May last year has been squandered. We are at base camp. This is being faced up to by people, as Lee’s departure shows. But this is a dangerous moment. Whichever direction British nationalism takes now - a BNP freed from the Griffin/Dowson clique or a new party entirely - men of goodwill and high ability are going to be needed as never before, and I do not know from whence they will come. 5
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 11, 2010, 02:19 PM | # Hi Gents,
At the time of the interview I was still an officer of the party, and hence I had to follow the party line especially on a public forum. If you want to interview me now about the reality of the Griffinite / Dowson manoey making scam that is the BNP and where British Nationalism goes from here then just give me a call and we can set it up. I apologise to you for the attacks, but thats what you have to do when you are in the BNP under Griffin / Dowson - which is lie, lie and lie again. Where does the BNP go from here, it will go slowly into oblivion. The reason why Griffin is not going to be exposed by the media, and also why the Electoral Commission goes out of its way to ensure it does not expose / shut down the BNP - is because the BNP under Griffin is a controlled opposition party. With Griffin as leader the BNP can remain a ghettoised, marginalised political party whose small scale political successes can be used to inflate the threat of the ‘Far Right’ and allow the media at the same time to demonise the White Working Class and Nationalism as a political movement. Griffin is the media’s favourite boogeyman, a clown they can abuse and denigrate and a Judas Goat who gets the few radicalised elements to follow him perpetually into the political wilderness. If the gets too big they invite Griffin onto a show like Question Time, make him a total arse and then the potential vote collapses just in time to prevent the beginning of a Nationalist political shift. Griffin, the arrogant idiot, doesnt care. He revels in the publicity he gets as it ensures he remains the leader via the ‘cult of personality’ and ‘victimhood’ that results. The more the media attack him, the more the party pulls around him. The more he is exposed as an arse, the more he claims victimhood and the party members lick his hand. Its truly pathetic, but Griffin has played this game so long its second nature to him. He knows he is a total political liability standing in the way of the BNP ( which I believe is now so tarnished due to its association with Griffin that it can no longer be sold as a political brand to enable it to attain power) but he depends on the BNP for his income and status in Nationalism. Without the BNP and him being leader of the BNP he is just a fat pig farmer from Wales. For weeks before the Question Time show I was demanding that the day of the show we ring them and say ‘Griffins ill so Andrew Brons is coming instead’. We all knew that QT was a public lynching party. All the people on the show were primed with a list of quotes from Griffin designed to repulse any mainstream support. And in Griffin went, made himself look an arse and our vote collapsed. But the fact ordinary people said ‘what an arse he is’ meant the BNP membership automatically pulled around him as leader. The more he is attacked, the more the members vote for him and support him. Its a cycle of mutual destruction - the more Griffin is exposed, the more the BNP supports him and the more British Nationalism as a political ideology is discredited. The media know this is correct, Griffin knows its correct - and he uses it to keep himself in power and in money. 6
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 11, 2010, 02:30 PM | # slight revision ; If the BNP looks like it is getting too big or too much potential support in society the media then invite Griffin onto a show like Question Time, allow him make a total arse of himself and then the potential Nationalist vote collapses just in time to prevent the beginning of a proper Nationalist political shift. If Andrew Brons had gone on QT as I suggested then it would have destroyed their plan completely. But instead in went Griffin surrounded by the security lads in order to allow him to pretend to be some big bad bogeyman for the cameras ( and to satisfy his vanity) and walked straight into the trap. Except it wasnt a trap was it. Its only a trap if you walk into by accident. Griffin knew what was going to happen - I told him weeks before in a flood of emails that he ignored. Thats because what matters to Griffin is that playing the bad bogeyman gets him what he wants - and screw the Nationalist movement. The man has to go. He has held back British Nationalism for a generation. He has said so many stupid things to the media that he has to do it deliberately or else he truly is a nutter. I suspect a bit of both. He knows that the more stupid things he says, the more he becomes what the media want, the more he is attacked by the media and the more the morons in the BNP who do not know him will lick his hand and support him. I also suspect he knows the jig is up. Thats why he and Jim Dowson are turning the BNP into a cash machine for themselves, in order to cream off what they can before the BNP collapses and they are left to return to pig farming and rattling a tin for donations outside abortion clinics. 7
Posted by Bill on August 11, 2010, 02:52 PM | # As casual observer sees it. As far as the British electorate is concerned the BNP is a tainted brand and will have no truck, the recent general election proved this with a disappointing half a million plus votes (1.9%) out of a total of 30 million votes cast. This under-performance was recorded notwithstanding the most fortuitous set of circumstances the BNP could have wished for in terms of the economical, social and demographic conditions prevailing. As a result of the perceived poor election performance by the BNP, a mood of pessimism and dismay now pervades the rank and file members, this, combined with a plethora of what can only be described as a plague of missed open goals, infighting, insults, suspensions and other assorted embarrassments, now manifests itself in a challenge for the leadership of the party. As already mentioned in above comment by (BGD) it is no secret the BNP carry much negative historical baggage, both in management personalities and party policy which hampers the progress of the party at every twist and turn in their activities, perhaps nowhere more so than in the field of the MSM - which is vehemently anti nationalist. It is my contention therefore, that to continue to believe it is in the interests of the British people to invest their hopes and aspirations in the British National Party to achieve their political aims are misguided. In short, let the BNP die and a new party arise from the ashes. It must divest itself of all former association, new name, new management new policies. For good or ill what was has gone, the King is dead, long live the King. Perhaps what we have been witnessing these last few weeks is a perfectly natural process of evolvement of a newly fledged political party. Ideas, structures, are challenged, power grabs fought over, general discontent of achievement and results take hold. Hierarchy loyalty has been brought into question, is the BNP state orchestrated? Is the central strategy of anti Islam sentiment the way to go? Why has the flip flopping of leader Nick Griffin been a feature of disbelief and scorn? Why has the bizarre behaviour of Griffin in key events been a constant source of humiliation to the rank file membership? Is the leader accident prone? Are these episodes random gaffes and part and parcel of the man himself? I could go on. Had success piled on success accompanied these bewildering questions, then they could easily be forgiven and yes forgotten, alas this has not been the case and failure and humiliation has been the received diet - all engendering a paralysis of hope. Lions led by donkeys. It is my belief that other forces are impacting on events that are shaping the direction of British Nationalism perhaps light will be shed on such matters as this thread progresses. The impact of the sudden emergence of the English Defence League into traditional BNP territory (of anti Moslem extremism) has taken the nationalists by surprise, how much (if at all) effect has the presence of the EDL been on the BNP is difficult to call, is it possible the current problems of the BNP have been induced by the muscling in of the EDL into BNP territory? How many disaffected BNP rank and file troops will vote with their feet to join the expanding EDL - on the basis of the enemy of my enemy is my friend? As I write, the latest challenge for the leadership of the British National Party is proceeding to a close, whichever way the result goes, the future of British nationalism will be altered for ever. PS. As I am about to post I note that Lee Barnes has chipped in on the thread. Maybe he will shoot me down in flames. Ah well! 8
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 11, 2010, 03:01 PM | # Hi Bill, You write ” As far as the British electorate is concerned the BNP is a tainted brand and will have no truck, the recent general election proved this with a disappointing half a million plus votes (1.9%) out of a total of 30 million votes cast. “ I think you may be right. The BNP has become synonymous with Griffin. And he wanted it that way. Griffin is pure political poison, therefore the BNP may also be poison to the masses. It may be that the BNP has become political ‘thalidomide’ as a result of Griffin, a brand that cannot be rescued. If Griffin and Dowson cannot be removed from the BNP then a new party is required. But it is for the BNP members to decide that, I am just going to stay on the outside of that debate and direct my targeting Griffin, Dowson and the rest of the pigs with their snouts in the BNP trough. I will do my best to ensure that everyone is aware of what Griffin and Dowson are really like - in the hope that the armchair activists who still believe the BNP propaganda will wake up before Griffin and Dowson destroy the party and destroy the British Nationalist movement. My blog is here is you want to read my latest missives ; 9
Posted by Bill on August 11, 2010, 04:53 PM | # GW. August 11, 2010, 04:29 PM Thanks for that GW, as usual not much to disagree with there. I think what comes out of this most is, (as you rightly say) is the quality of the poster material on those sites you mention, tedium soon sets in and one gives up the ghost. It is the activists out on the streets (grunts?) that have been badly let down - one can only feel for them. As for Nick Griffin, I think it’s all been said. I see (just a moment ago) that Eddie Butler’s challenge has failed to garner the required number of nominations. Surprise - Surprise. Carry on carrying on. PS. I would have liked your views on where (if at all) you think the EDL fit into the scheme of things. 10
Posted by Guessedworker on August 11, 2010, 05:53 PM | # Lee, I think it would be useful to record a conversation, but not about the present situation of the party. As Bill says, everything that needs to be said has been said. For myself, I am looking for the new growth now. If you are interested I am sure we can map out some areas to explore. Mail me if you are interested. Bill, I have no strong feelings whether the EDL marches or not, grows or dies. I don’t much like the organisation. Strategically, they are useful to help balkanise the working-class. But I can’t say that I relish a situation in which they are becoming the centre of gravity for nationalists. They must not be allowed to set the agenda. But I fear that is exactly what will happen now that the BNP is, to all intents and purposes, finished. 11
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 11, 2010, 06:44 PM | # Sounds good. I have some interesting ideas about the promotion of nationalist political goals via cultural goals. As you know ethnicity creates culture ( Race does not create Culture - as the variety of different cultures within Europe from national cultures like Italy’s to ethnic cultures like Anglo-Saxon English and the Magna Carta all prove as these are all ETHNIC CULTURES and NATIONAL CULTURES derived from specific ethnic groups eg the English and the Italians - therefore race does not produce culture or else all of Europe would have one culture and would be one nation with one language for we are all from one race, that being the White European Race ) and therefore culture is as important as ethnicity. A degenerate culture spawns a degenerate people. Therefore a new Nationalist cultural movement must arise that promotes a cultural nationalism as well as an ethnic communalism - the cultural British nationalism is integrationist, anti-multi-culturalism, anti-immigration, anti-political correctness etc and demands an end to colonisation and insists on British National cultural homogeneity. At the same time this British Cultursal Nationalism allows ethno-nationalists the space within the cultural sphere of the nation state to organise, form communities and express their organic ethnic identity. All immigrants must adopt our British national culture, whilst the indigenous ethnic people of Britain have the right to adopt community structures as defined by their ethnic identity if they so wish. One can adopt a British national cultural identity or an indigenous British ethnic identity. No other cultural forms are allowed. Those that refuse to integrate into British culture will be regarded as colonists and deported. Immigrants must integrate into the British national culture whilst the indigenous ethnic groups are allowed and encouraged to form their own ethnic communities. A nationalist cultural movement that does not mention race ( which is an issue toxic in politics due to media conditioning) but that asserts the importance of a cultural struggle to assert our national culture and which allows ethno-nationalists the right to form ethno-communities eg English, Welsh, Scottish, Anglo-Irish within the context of the British Nationalist State etc is one that the masses would support. The BNP is a party defined by race. What is required is a party defined by culture. 12
Posted by Dan Dare on August 11, 2010, 07:29 PM | # A shared culture is, along with a myth of common ancestry and attachment to a Heimat, one of the principal defining characteristics of an ethnie. I am very dubious about any claim that outsiders can assume our cultural identity except in the most trivial of senses. Our culture, which is to a great degree the product of our ancestry and heritage, is not something that can be loaned out to just anyone like a comfy old jumper, it is a vtal part of who we are and where we came from. If we start down that path, then we will be confronted by individuals like this who will attempt to abuse our generosity and usurp our identity. It is to accommodate such individuals that the concept of the proposition nation has arisen, as in the United States and Canada. I don’t want Britain to travel along that trajectory, and therefore reject the concept of cultural nationalism. 13
Posted by Guessedworker on August 11, 2010, 07:59 PM | # Me too. I am a last-ditcher ethno-nationalist who knows that life is the game, the goal, everything, and while expediency, “victory”, being able to talk to the masses, and other products of the daily round are political necessities, they must always remain subordinate to high principle. In other words, millions of central Europeans who are not necessarily easy to distinguish from us physically, and who will speak and act like us in one generation, are still invaders who must be removed that we might live sovereign and free in our own land. But Lee’s culturism wouldn’t grant us that. Ironically, given his preference for ethnicity over race, culturism is only capable of excluding people with different coloured skin! Nationalism is dogged by the question: who is excluded? In essence, who are we and who is not us? It’s answered in only two ways: genealogy and genetics. There is no other. 14
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 11, 2010, 09:49 PM | # ”Race does not create Culture – […] or else all of Europe would have one culture” (—Lee John Barnes) Unless Europe consists of different races, which is my own preferred way of looking at it: Englishmen, Scots, Irishmen, Frenchmen, Italians, Greeks, Germans, Russians, Finns, and so forth are different races. I agree with GW above and at least broadly with DD though I’m not completely certain of the latter’s position. 15
Posted by Bill on August 12, 2010, 01:04 AM | # GW. August 11, 2010, 09:53 PM
My sentiments exactly. I get vibes the media are not at ease when reporting the activities of the EDL - very much treading on egg shells. In the short term the EDL could elevate immigration to new heights of concern, which can only be good for us. It’s all entering a new phase - who said a week in politics is a long time? 16
Posted by Angry Beard on August 12, 2010, 09:29 AM | # There seems to bit of a dichotomy going on in this forum. Another thought.Don’t you think that it’s MI5 moles buried deep DEEP undercover who are formenting BNP dissent - the idea is to destroy the party from within just at it’s post-election despondent weakness.Get the job over as thoroghly and soon as possible so it can’t be built up again and a fight-back can’t be organised.Just like Yank agents and their plants in the Politburo (possibly Gorbachev himself), dismanled the Soviet Union from within in double quick time, and left everyone speechless and dumbfounded. I’ve never met Griffin and perhaps he is a tough and ruthless boss and taskmaster, the sort of man you always mutter ‘c*nt’ under your breath when thinking about - I honestly don’t know. Anyhow the EDL IS distinctly dodgy.Please don’t inveset your hopes in that outfit.As a matter of record IT IS Zionist organised, funded and controlled.Google ‘Alan Lake’. 17
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 12, 2010, 04:27 PM | # Alan Lake is one man. Unless the EDL are the human equivalent of The Borg from Star Trek , then the fact that one man is an Israel supporter, even a Zionist, doth not maketh the entire EDL ‘Zionists’. If you see any EDL demo then 99.9 % of them are White English Working Class people. Oh yeah, its MI5 moles destabilising the BNP. And the EDL are The Borg but in burberry. yeah right. People respect the EDL as they get off their arse and get out there, unlike internet conspiracy theorists. Griffin isnt ruthless, he is corrupt. He culls those who get too near the truth.
One can assimilate easily into a NATIONAL CULTURE - you learn the language, adopt the customs and live the culture. British Cultural Nationalism is the only way to create the social and political space in society that allows Ethno-Nationalism to take root and flourish. Racial Nationalism must impose a racial consciousness by supressing ethnic consciousness and national consciousness. 18
Posted by Dan Dare on August 12, 2010, 05:07 PM | # Racial nationalism is a strawman of your own creation. We’re all ethno-nationalists around these parts. Our culture is part of our ethnie, and is not something that be ‘easily assimiliated into’, except in the most superficial manner. Yes, Pakis can speak passable English, some even drink beer and like the footie, but they are no more culturally assimilated than if I were to move to Islamabad and learn Urdu. The cultural nationalism you describe is akin to that adopted by the patriarch in the Kumars at No. 42, with his Guards moustache, regimental tie and blazer. 19
Posted by Captainchaos on August 12, 2010, 07:00 PM | # Barnes is I believe correct in his recommendation that British nationalism needs a broader base than merely the political, this extending into the cultural sphere. But it should go without saying that it must be the proper kind of cultural activism. The aracial civicism of the EDL is the wrong kind as it tends, and arguably is designed to tend, toward the siphoning off of general societal discontent into a direction which enforces the multicult instead undermining it. 20
Posted by Dr Graham Lister on August 12, 2010, 07:53 PM | # Please people lets be honest, the EDL and much of the BNP are morons and/or weirdos. The average EDL member lots to me like a “Sun” reading, ill-educated, mouth breathing oik. The trouble is that far-right politics in the public square only seemingly attracts those with nothing to lose and of low social status. I was watching Pim Fortuyn on youtube the other day. From what I watched he was an articulate, witty and an obviously intelligent man, whatever he political shortcomings might have been. What a contrast with the likes of Griffin - the Right desperately needs to modernized and be a home to the well-educated, professional middle classes; not thugs with tattoos as the “typical” member. Roger Scruton is happy to present a speech to Vlaams Belang; in the UK it would be good to see people of that caliber able to part of a “new right”. It’s not that we lack sophisticated well-argued critiques of the numerous failures of multiculturalism but no-one is able to present them in a reasonable, moderately articulate way in the public square. It seems to me that “cultural” nationalism can be the wedge to start to deconstruct the multicultural liberal orthodoxy that rules in the UK, and implicitly start to introduce the notion of ethic nationalism in the public square. But it will never happen with football hooligans or Nazi-fetishist buffoons representing “the cause”. 21
Posted by Captainchaos on August 12, 2010, 09:10 PM | # For the cause of racial preservation to be triumphant there are two necessary conditions which must become manifest: 1) Discussion of White interests must receive airing in the mainstream media in a manner which does not pathologize at all turns White interests. The masses will never come to view White interests as legitimate if presented to them via a medium they are conditioned to believe lacks legitimacy. This is so because of the native suggestibility and paucity of an ability to reason on the part of the masses, their seeming inability to recognize the reasonableness of a thing as separable from the manner in which it is presented. 2) Cultural artifacts must again come to be associated in the minds of the mass of Whites with ethnic/racial particularity. Most Whites, even assuming they could grasp concepts such as the Jewish Question and ethnic genetic interests (they cannot, in the main), are not so psychically constituted as to be capable of emotional resonance with them. It is culture as the hub of community which only can and does resonate with them. 22
Posted by Dan Dare on August 13, 2010, 01:41 AM | # As for the EDL, I hope this won’t prove to be an unnecessary distraction in this discussion. It borders upon irrelevancy except insofar as it demonstrates the readiness of white working-class males to take to the streets as some form of direct action. That having been established, the only challenge is to direct that activism into a more productive channel. But what I think is of greater interest is Lee’s proposition for Cultural Nationalism which, as I understand it, is intended to provide an umbrella under which both resident outsiders and indigenes can find common cause. The questions I would like to pose to Lee are as follows: a) Why he feels such an umbrella to be necessary, i.e. what problem is that he sees it providing a solution for, and b) Why the indegenes should not treat the outsiders as a temporary affliction which might disappear of its own accord in due course, especially if the intruders were made to feel unwanted and unwelcome. I’m a little baffled as to why Lee should apparently align himself with the ranks of the so-called ‘friendly hosters’ who leave no stone unturned in extending the welcome mat to unwanted and self-invited guests. 23
Posted by Bill on August 13, 2010, 05:28 AM | # This racial transfer of Third Worlders pouring into white lands is not a natural phenomena. We’re talking of tens upon tens of millions here. These millions didn’t suddenly wake up one morning and say to themselves, it’s a nice day today, I think I’ll go and live in London, Paris, Toronto, Dearborn, California, Melbourne, New Zealand or wherever. The majority didn’t take off for the North because fleets of Jumbo jets were obligingly cruising off in all directions, they didn’t take off for Northern climes on a mere whim of a chance of a better life. I have no idea really, (I’m not privy to such information) but common sense tells me that thousands of newcomers do not arrive here on a daily basis without the knowledge of the immigration authorities. Let us speculate for a moment. On arrival, at let’s say London’s Heathrow airport, hundreds of daily newcomers are not left to their own devices and stand outside the entrance waiting for some good samaritan to take them under their wing. Off the top of my head something like 600,000 new settlers arrive year on year into Britain. These newcomers do not arrive out of the blue totally unexpected. These new arrivals are expected by the immigration authorities and are welcomed into the processing machinery. The authorities must be aware of who is expected for processing and in what numbers, and where they are destined/allocated to settle, they are allocated national insurance numbers, education, housing, healthcare, schools, employment, welfare and the rest of the wherewithal to equip the new citizen to live and survive in a first world consumer society. In short, there is a huge, state industry in existence, especially created over many years to ensure a trouble free assimilation of millions of new arrivals into a once harmonious society. On the whole, this has been hugely successful and is tribute to the organisational abilities of the white nation state. At the same time, similar corresponding numbers are leaving the country, but this time it is the brightest and best of the host nation’s talent that is jetting off in the opposite direction. And so a nation receives an ongoing cultural blood transfusion, the significance of which seems to be lost on on the host nation’s population. But what I cannot understand, is why there are millions of British people who think this is all a huge accident or mistake, some idea of merit perhaps, that has got out of hand, or perhaps our leaders have been lax in their duties in not protecting the nation’s borders. Then there is the message beamed out by the media that Britain’s white population needs new blood to enrich our culture, to do the jobs the British won’t do, to fill the skills gap, to support the old in their dotage. The reasons given for accepting millions of strangers among us are many and varied in accordance with the language of the moment. Then there are the politicians, who for some reason are loath to discuss the subject of immigration with their electorate, so reluctant are they in fact, that they have introduced a whole panoply of measures to discourage such a conversation, both by legislation and wicked speech codes like political correctness. Why are our politicians so reluctant, nay paranoid, in their avoidance of the subject of immigration? How the politicians have got away with it for so long is mind numbing. There is too much acceptance by many who say the ongoing infiltration and takeover of Britain (the West) is a natural phenomena and cannot be resisted. The very idea that the handover of the West is being deliberately engineered by a cabal of the world’s most rich and powerful is - insanity itself. I would further opine that most folk in Britain don’t even think about what I have written here. Is it resigned indifference? Is it too much distraction by bread and circuses? Are the people asleep? Are they even interested? The meme, (a word I note in ever increasing usage) that has been forever beaming from our MSM, is, it is useless to resist, accept it. Multiculturalism is already a fact, it’s here, get used to it! Hence civic nationalism and the like. Do you think for one moment an all white nation state would be tolerated - ever again? 24
Posted by Gorboduc on August 13, 2010, 06:48 AM | # Bill: 100% agreement. LJB: you’re very keen to prevent rational discussion. Of course activists like you are needed urgently. Some of us aren’t so young and spry as you though in my time I was out on the street too: however, please post a picture of you out with the Millwall lads on an EDL demo to inspire us to get out and join you! 25
Posted by Bill on August 13, 2010, 06:59 AM | # Posted by Dr Graham Lister on August 12, 2010, 11:53 PM
Hey Doc, these people are on the outside not even looking in, they live in a leper colony world recently created by one Anthony Blair, or the market, or MSM liberalism, take your pick. They are what they are because they don’t give a flying **** about the niceties of tolerance and non discrimination or political correctness. They don’t even know the meaning of such terms. And this is the beauty/irony of liberalism. Atomised society, nanny state, unintended consequences - they have created a mass that couldn’t give a **** about liberal niceties. These people do not hunker down behind their keyboard pontificating and dreaming up philosophies, they see their world in raw stark terms of who they are and where they are, and their place in it. I doubt whether they see any further than that, other than the size of Jordan’s knockers - why should they? But they do know when they are being shafted big time by their betters. 26
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 13, 2010, 10:23 AM | # Surely what is needed is a broad based pressure group of some sort. This would not only enable pressure to be applied to all existing political parties but to create a space where issues relating to the survival of the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish (north and south) can be disseminated. It seems that Lee would be somewhere to the one side and Guessed Worker somewhere to the other. If survival is to take place then the very least that is required is that immigration is halted. This may initially take the form of a moratorium of some sort, perhaps 5 or 10 years, during which the brainwashing/conditioning/programming indicated in Notus Wind’s recent article, would have to be tackled. Just making people aware that it’s taking place would be a start. The immigration issue should not be solely tackled by arguments pertinent to ethnicity. I’d suggest that equal space be given to population density and self sustainability. There are other issues where it is possible to get a consensus amongst a significant number of people, including both wings of the ‘group’. For example the stopping of all ‘positive’ discrimination’ (anti-white racism); the government funding of ethnic only groups (anti-white racism) and a desire to enforce the law in regards to illegal immigrants and asylum seekers who have travelled across several countries to get here. A start has to be made somewhere. A line in the sand has to be drawn. Whatever long term aims or desires you may have you have to think strategically. As I think Lee mentioned, English, Scots, Welsh and Irish people wishing to preserve and live in their own communities should be allowed to do so. If others prefer to live as minorities in communities dominated by Islam, for example, then let them do so. I suspect that this would ‘force the issue’ for many liberal types. I’d also suggest explaining what is happening in terms of the world government agenda (New World Order). There’s plenty of information to confirm this agenda as a reality. What the globalist elites are planning is to the detriment of all ethnic groups, not just those of ‘white’ nations. We are all victims of this elite cabal (they’re not ‘Jewish’ by the way) in differing ways. It would also help to create a degree of sympathy, if not support, from other ethnic groups and help to neutralise the inevitable attacks from the far left. I’ve always thought that the English Community would be a good name for an organisation such as the one suggested. There would be similar organisations for the Scots, Welsh and Irish and all would work together and share information. Every ethnic group in this country has their own ‘community’ that is allowed to discuss and promote their own interests and so should we. Of course our main interest would be survival in our native lands. 27
Posted by Guessedworker on August 13, 2010, 10:59 AM | # Harry,
The elite of the elite is Jewish. 28
Posted by Bill on August 13, 2010, 11:42 AM | # Harry August 13, 2010, 02:23 PM
Hi Harry. I’m not quite clear what you mean here. Survive in a multicultural Britain or an all white Britain? Britain cannot survive in a multicultural Britain, a contradiction surely? Seen through liberal eyes, an all white community is seen through liberal eyes as apartheid. Irresistible force meets immovable object. 29
Posted by Bill on August 13, 2010, 11:49 AM | # Bill August 13, 2010, 03:42 PM
Sorry Harry. Took my eye off the ball - pushed the submit button. Seen through liberal eyes, an all white community is apartheid. 30
Posted by Angry Beard on August 13, 2010, 12:51 PM | # I’m afraid that the ‘mouth-breathing oiks’, in the main, just couldn’t give a damn about their impending race replacement and serfdom.Although the EDL ( Reg. TradeMark Zionist), might attract a few of the ‘beer, footie and British Army’ crowd making a swaggering display (believe me it will evaporate like the driven snow once the hoo-haa has died out) ‘because the muslims insult ‘our boys’ ‘, the oiks haven’t got the brains for any genuine and meaninful political activity ie persuading each and every family member and friend to cast-ironly vote BNP at every possible election. 31
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 13, 2010, 04:13 PM | # I have taken the liberty of editing Lee’s post to differentiate between my original comments and his responses for ease of reading. Nothing else has been changed. - DD
What drives new colonists into Britain is existing colonies. At the moment both integrationist ( by which I mean cultural integration not racial assimilation) British Cultural Nationalism and Ethno-nationalism are repressed, criminalised and marginalised. In order to allow organic ethno-community structures to form and exist, the British Nationalist state must allow them the social space to do so. They will be voluntary communities. For the first time people will be free to form schools for the White English, for White Welsh and White Scottish that teach them the languages, culture and identity of their ethnicity. We have Faith based schools and race based schools such as the http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/1398628.stm Therefore under a British Nationalist government, then equivalent schools for our indigenous ethnic groups can be formed. That is how we achieve a real victory. Finally we start the process of re-creating our ethnic communities and ethnic identities, creating a new generation of children with an ethnic consciousness. IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT IS THE VICTORY WE HAVE ALWAYS WANTED - THEN YOU ARE BLIND !!!!!!!!!!! Those, such as British indigenous people of mixed ethnicity eg English and Scottish, or English and Northern Irish, etc etc they may prefer to adopt a British Nationalist culture as opposed to an Ethnic identity. So they can schools and community structures for that as well. All immigrants who are here lawfully must integrate into the British Nationalist Culture. They will be taught as all British children a British Nationalist culture. No more colonisation, and those who refuse to integrate into the British Nationalist culture must be removed - regardless of what race they are. Britain must not become a colony of Gambia, Poland, China, Pakistan or Romania.
Because we are British and we hate bullies. The more venal, spiteful and nasty a British Nationalist government, the faster it will discredit itself and earn the hatred of the British people. We want our country, cultures and ethnic identities back - we dont want pygmies in jackboots strutting around doing sub-Spode impressions.
Those who are here lawfully, who love Britain, love British culture and who will fight for Britain are welcome here. They are British. I have more respect for a Black British soldier than a white english smack addict. Those who are here illegally, who are colonists, who refuse to integrate and who threaten the safety of the nation must be removed - regardless of what race they are, what religion they are or what nation they come from. All White Islamists for example, such as the ones from Eastern Europe. Israeli Zionist spies and operatives. White Australian bar staff who are working here illegally. American CIA operatives working in the UK. Whatever - they all go. Targeting people on the grounds of race is idiotic, we must target people on the grounds of their legal status - that way we get the job done. 32
Posted by Guessedworker on August 13, 2010, 05:14 PM | # Lee, On a practical note, it would help to make your comments more accessible if you made use of the html buttons and delineated the quotations from other commentary. Now, as for your comment: No negro is my countryman. No Asian. No colonising immigrant. I am English. This is my land, our land. It is not “venal” to recover our land, which is to recover our children’s birthright. This is natural and good and right. We English are the victims of this political age. We are its oppressed, its despised untermenschen. We are under no moral obligation to curry favour with anyone. We are certainly under no obligation whatsoever to immerse ourselves in the bottomless seas of the Third World. We owe nobody, no “black soldier”, no anti-Moslem Sikh, no one, any room in our house, nor any place at our table. Settled immigrants are still the tools of our enemies. They can be unsettled, then. It is that or we will die by a slow, relentless process of dispossession, displacement and deracination. We did not ask for this heavy political and practical burden. We are not politically ambitious men. We have been forced into dissidence because we have too much love to turn our attention to selfish things. For that we have been ignored, spat upon, dehumanised, disemployed and all but placed beyond the law. The rules of the game are genocidal, and you, my friend, appear to be worried about our moral profile in the eyes of our camp guards! Stand up. This is existential. It is a fight to the death. Either we destroy the political, financial, corporate, cultural, legal, and academic power of the ruling class, or we will go down. Tell our people that we have the same right to live as any other people. Tell them no foreigner has a right to displace us if we have never given our consent. Tell them we have to turn this juggernaut around, and that’s going to need their help. It will be hard but it must be done so that our children may live sovereign and free as Englishmen in their own ancestral land. Tell them as English men and women who also love and also care that they are good people, moral people, and they have nothing to fear from the political detritus who employ smears and hate-words to control their thoughts and their votes. This is the time to defy these creatures, to be free from their control, and to take control unto ourselves of our own shared destiny once again. Tell them that. Repeat it a thousand times. Back it up with statistical and political research. Then see whether it goes down worse than banging on about British culture, whatever that is. 33
Posted by Dan Dare on August 13, 2010, 05:32 PM | # GW has responded in much the same way as I would have done, albeit perhaps in more measured tones. I’ll add some additional comments later. 34
Posted by Angry Beard on August 13, 2010, 05:37 PM | # As I’ve said before, I want the the third world immigrants out. 35
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2010, 06:01 PM | # Great statement by Bill, 9:28 AM. Magnificent statement by GW, 9:14 PM. First rate commentary, gentlemen, both, as good as it gets. 36
Posted by Bill on August 13, 2010, 06:03 PM | # GW. August 13, 2010, 09:14 PM quote]Stand up. This is existential. It is a fight to the death. Either we destroy the political, financial, corporate, cultural, legal, and academic power of the ruling class, or we will go down. Splendid post GW. Of the millions of words expended on our plight, this is the final distillation. The unequivocal message I’ve been waiting to hear. Anything other will mean extinction of our race. Pray it does not come to that. It is across the pond we must raise our gaze. 37
Posted by Notus Wind on August 13, 2010, 06:08 PM | # Very stirring words from GW above. They are words with power that can win. 38
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2010, 06:14 PM | #
Seconded. 39
Posted by Notus Wind on August 13, 2010, 06:24 PM | # Bill,
Pre-revolutionary conditions are slowly falling into place out here, expect incredible things to happen within the next decade if not the next few years. 40
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 13, 2010, 06:47 PM | #
Pray God it come. Pray God it be peaceful, but pray God it come. 41
Posted by lee John Barnes on August 14, 2010, 04:33 AM | # Lee, On a practical note, it would help to make your comments more accessible if you made use of the html buttons and delineated the quotations from other commentary. Now, as for your comment: No negro is my countryman. No Asian. No colonising immigrant. I am English. This is my land, our land. It is not “venal” to recover our land, which is to recover our children’s birthright. This is natural and good and right. We English are the victims of this political age. We are its oppressed, its despised untermenschen. We are under no moral obligation to curry favour with anyone. We are certainly under no obligation whatsoever to immerse ourselves in the bottomless seas of the Third World. We owe nobody, no “black soldier”, no anti-Moslem Sikh, no one, any room in our house, nor any place at our table. Settled immigrants are still the tools of our enemies. They can be unsettled, then. It is that or we will die by a slow, relentless process of dispossession, displacement and deracination. We did not ask for this heavy political and practical burden. We are not politically ambitious men. We have been forced into dissidence because we have too much love to turn our attention to selfish things. For that we have been ignored, spat upon, dehumanised, disemployed and all but placed beyond the law. The rules of the game are genocidal, and you, my friend, appear to be worried about our moral profile in the eyes of our camp guards! Stand up. This is existential. It is a fight to the death. Either we destroy the political, financial, corporate, cultural, legal, and academic power of the ruling class, or we will go down. Tell our people that we have the same right to live as any other people. Tell them no foreigner has a right to displace us if we have never given our consent. Tell them we have to turn this juggernaut around, and that’s going to need their help. It will be hard but it must be done so that our children may live sovereign and free as Englishmen in their own ancestral land. Tell them as English men and women who also love and also care that they are good people, moral people, and they have nothing to fear from the political detritus who employ smears and hate-words to control their thoughts and their votes. This is the time to defy these creatures, to be free from their control, and to take control unto ourselves of our own shared destiny once again. Tell them that. Repeat it a thousand times. Back it up with statistical and political research. Then see whether it goes down worse than banging on about British culture, whatever that is. ### Then you shall surrender any chance of our political victory for your own personal political and ideological purism. Politics is the art of the possible. You want the impossible. This is why people such as me who seek victory are the true revolutionaries. Reactionaries would rather have a noble defeat than a pragmatic victory. I have explained to you how to get that victory, in a way that the masses would support and vote for. You ignore that. My plan would pave the way for the rebirth of an English, Welsh, Anglo-Irish and Scottish indigenous ethnic identity and cultural rebirth. Finally a generation of children would be raised with an ethnic consciousness or a nationalist consciousness. At the same time it would make this country Great Britain again. But that is not good enough for you. I think your response to my suggestions are trite, morally vacuous and intellectually vapid. Though we can discuss that when we do the next skype interview. E mail me a day when you think you can fit it in and we can continue the discussion that way. Regards, Lee 42
Posted by pug on August 14, 2010, 09:41 AM | #
That is exactly what your political prescription for the native Brits is. Except for the noble part. I’d use gelded. 43
Posted by Lee John Barnes on August 14, 2010, 10:41 AM | # That is exactly what your political prescription for the native Brits is. Except for the noble part. I’d use gelded.
No wonder nationalism as a movement is screwed. Between the BNP Griffinite cult members with their trust in the infallibility of their leader and the Nazi purists who want nothing but a version of Nazi Germany in Britainbut with the Cross of St.George instead of swastika, where the British State uses ethnic cleansing / genocide and murder to expel or exterminate all those immigrants who will refuse to board the cattle trucks to take them to the docks at bayonet point by the British Army - is it any wonder Nationalism as a movement is so miniscule. In order to gain the support of the people, one must first understand the people. You do not care what the people want, what they will support nor what they will vote for - and thats why you are a liability and not an asset to Nationalism. 44
Posted by Jimmy Marr on August 14, 2010, 10:57 AM | #
Is Hunter Wallace using a new alias? 45
Posted by pug on August 14, 2010, 11:47 AM | #
Er, no. That’s what I want. You, on the other hand, wish no more enforcement mechanism for said objective than Labour. Surprise me if I’m wrong, but how exactly do you plan on getting your country back when you imply you want to deliver it to the wogs who multiply in it? What exactly are you going to do about London becoming British again when births from mothers of the indigenous population number at 10% in many areas — and who knows how many of those are Brillo-heads?
A Britain of your admitted choosing is a liability and not an asset to Europe. Yes, I don’t care much for the democratic aspects of this — as long as people, including yourself, don’t grasp the extent to which their choice affects their children’s lives which will likely be naught. If a majority of people vote for their own destruction with a nuclear weapon, because they’re stoopid or misled, would you acquiesce as a good civic puppy? The elites already brook no opposition to their tyranny, and you aren’t even offering any. It’s that simple. As Alexander Solzhenitsyn put it,
What else do you stand for but that? 46
Posted by Notus Wind on August 14, 2010, 12:48 PM | #
Post WWII America already proves that basing one’s politics around culture in the hope of creating space for ethno-nationalism doesn’t work. We’ve never had a nationalist movement come anywhere close to the success that your BNP has enjoyed (at least temporarily) partly because of this gambit. 47
Posted by Leon Haller on August 15, 2010, 09:08 AM | # My plan would pave the way for the rebirth of an English, Welsh, Anglo-Irish and Scottish indigenous ethnic identity and cultural rebirth. Finally a generation of children would be raised with an ethnic consciousness or a nationalist consciousness. No, it wouldn’t. It would not be allowed to reach any sort of fruition. Any pro-indigenous teaching would immediately be labeled “hate-mongering”, and outlawed or discredited. Your plan also would not solve the fundamental problem, which GW (excellent post at 9:14pm above, btw!) understands, but you do not: cultures are precisely the products of race (even though a race can produce multiple national cultures, based on the vagaries of geography, language and unique histories), and cannot be expected (ie there is no historical evidence) to be perpetuated by those of different racial types from the original creating race. Someone might appear to be (psychologically) assimilated, but there is no guarantee (indeed, there is almost certainly a guarantee the other way) that his descendants will remain assimilated. This has been the case with many non-white groups in the US. Filipinos of the older generation (born pre-1960, and especially pre-WW2) are far more culturally American (and favorably disposed to whites) than young Filipinos today, who are increasingly race/ethnicity conscious despite often having few if any personal ties to their ancestral islands. What I’ve just said is an extremely important point that I’m not sure I have ever seen either here at MR (though I am not a perfectly consistent reader, especially of comments), or elsewhere in the white race patriot world. I think it is the key justification for a “never say surrender” racialist approach. There is always eventually a reversion to racial type. I also second what another gent above mentioned (which I have reiterated numerous times here and elsewhere), that the sumum bonum is to halt new legal immigration. While I would prefer that to be effected for racial reasons (“Defend Our White Realm!!”), politically it really doesn’t matter what the justifications or slogans are - as long as it is accomplished. Most readers would agree. My particular argument is that rabid anti-immigrationism can be its own justification. That is, while I wholeheartedly endorse GW’s genetic nationalism (though I would never end there - my support for racial nationalism is based on a positive and a negative: love of white civilization, and a recognition that it can only be perpetuated and continued by racially pure or near-pure whites, as well as fear for my and my family’s physical security and material well-being if my white racial group should end up as a minority in any given sovereign territory), discussions of race/ethnicity do not necessarily have to be brought to the fore in nationalist (immigration-cessation wing) activism. Immigration has brought so many obvious and increasingly well-recognized problems to Western nations, that I fail to see why it cannot be opposed merely on its own terms, without recourse to the affective sentiments behind GW’s poetic eloquence (“British land for British people”, “that our people might sing the songs of their ancestors”, etc). Please explain to me why a British party devoted solely or mainly to stopping immigration, and using as its justifications a huge bevy of non-racial arguments pertaining to unemployment, overpopulation + environmental degradation, budget deficits + immigrant services overuse, immigrant crime stats, even immigrants being more likely to vote socialist or EU internationalist ... cannot, if not win national power, at least represent enough of a threat to the Tories that it forces them to address immigration termination? Why is it thought that the British require a whole recovery of traditional ethnonational consciousness, historic Christianity (sorry, GW, but the one is conjoined to the other - you can’t resurrect any but the most shallow simulacrum of British culture without bringing back the ancestral religion), and classic patriotism, simply to be awakened to and demand an end to an objectively festering problem like immigration? I don’t get it. Just give the facts, costs, etc - relentlessly. Once legal immigration has been halted (and illegal, but the latter involves no changed principle, only a commitment to law enforcement), then we can start upping the ante, attacking ‘positive racism’, multiculturalism, and special benefits for immigrants, as well as rebuilding British ethnicities, patriotism, etc, eventually leading to non-white repatriation. But all these sentimentalist suggestions are worthless or will prove too slow, unless the invasion is ended. 48
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 17, 2010, 12:07 PM | # Sorry for the delay in replying Bill. As I mentioned in my comment earlier I’d like to see a broad based pressure group able to accommodate a range of opinions. As I see it the majority of MR would like to see a return to an all white Britain. Some seem prepared to use force to achieve those aims. Your question then really is where am I in that ‘range’. Firstly let me say I have several Afro-caribbean friends. I used to be a lefty of sorts but over recent years I’ve woken up to many things. I can see the end game is the destruction of the English in their native lands. It’s not a fate I would wish on any country. My black friends are human beings with a soul, spirit, conscience and feelings just like me. I could never use force against them in any way. They are as much victims in all of this as we are. They are pawns to be used by the elites to achieve their desired aims. Revered American freemason Albert Pike described those aims perfectly when he said that ‘the human race was “to be integrated into a mass of mongrelised humanity and enslaved body, mind and soul. From my perspective whatever is done or suggested has to have a moral base. You are perfectly within your rights to desire a return to an all white England, particularly in light of the real reason for mass immigration, multiculturism and political correctness. That is, an agenda to create an elite controlled world government in which the masses are enslaved to a greater degree than they already are. It’s not the desire that’s problematic, it’s the methods by which you hope to achieve your aims. In contrast, those behind the desire to expand immigration and multiculturism have no moral base. Quite the opposite as it’s being done against the wishes of the majority and with the use of lies, deceit and manipulation. As has been mentioned elsewhere, we have all been under severe levels of brainwashing. Not just on the subject in hand but in other areas as well. It seems there are some that are resistant to some aspects of this and that would seemingly include many at MR. Even if all the brainwashing were exposed and stopped tomorrow, you are not going to suddenly find a majority of Britons ready to use violence against ethnic minorities. The best you could hope for is civil war with no guarantee of success. For me the moral position is ‘I would like to see a return to a Britain solely composed of its native peoples and in order to achieve such an aim I will use all lawful and non-violent means necessary’. The problem with Lee’s suggestion is it doesn’t go far enough in terms of reducing the numbers of ethic minorities. This helps to address that. There are, after all, very good reasons for doing so, above and beyond any desires those at MR might have. Firstly we are already a highly overpopulated island, at least in England. Building new roads and houses on existing green belt is a bad idea for a whole host of reasons. Crowding lots more people into already densely populated towns and cities is equally bad. We are also a long way from being self sustaining to any degree. Of course this is intentional. All of these arguments for stopping and reversing immigration have equal merit to that of the aims of MR. This means the same aims can be agreed to by different people for different reasons. The way to ensure that numbers are reduced by a significant amount is to make ethnic minorities an offer they can’t refuse. I’d actually go a bit further. In order to save Britain and the British, the countries of the Commonwealth also need saving. The Empire was, first and foremost, a business enterprise funded and controlled by the Crown (City of London). Nothing’s changed. Commonwealth countries only have the illusion of a democracy (as do we). We are both controlled by the Crown. It’s the enemy of us both. Destroy it along with it’s iniquitous law and banking systems and Commonwealth countries have a chance of prospering. I know this sounds simplistic but at it’s core it’s what’s required. If, as a result of generous grants, pr campaigns on behalf of developing (warmer) countries now growing economically and desperate for the skilled labour, the removal of all ‘equal opportunities’ type legislation, the removal of funding for ethnic only organisations and the recognition that the English have a right to continue their ethnic and cultural history as they see fit, the numbers of ethnic minorities were reduced to zero then that would be fine with me. That’s not to say there’d be some friends I’d miss but if their choice was to move away then I’d respect it in the same way as those English friends of mine who’ve moved to Spain. It seems unlikely that the numbers would be zero though. Returning to the idea of the moral arguments, the best that a proponent of mass immigration and multi-culturism can argue is that they personally want to live in the type of society that is a result of those policies. They cannot force it on other people. Their is absolutely nothing particularly moral about multi-culturism. It doesn’t help the poor of the developing world. It’s certainly not required as any sort of compensation for the Empire and the slave trade. The descendants of those responsible for those two things are behind the mass immigration agenda. The great mass of the British were little more than slaves (serfs/vassals/factory workers) themselves. Those that want a multicultural existence, where they are the minority ethnic grouping, quite possibly with Islam dominating, should be free to do as they wish. This then begins to have similarities to Lee’s suggestion. The only difference being there’s a mechanism for reducing the overall numbers of ethnic minorities. I’ve had to write the above fairly quickly and I wish I had time to make it a little clearer. It may not be the perfect solution sought by some at MR but it at least goes some way to dealing with present day problems. The only way you are going to breach the brainwashing is by giving people access to information. This can only be done through a broad based organisation that can accommodate a wide range of beliefs. Such an organisation is only possible if it is founded on firm morals and standards. Not only to attract people to it but to enable it to withstand the inevitable, elite controlled, attacks from the ‘left’. It’s those native British who know something’s not quite right that you need to reach. The type that wouldn’t have anything to do with the BNP because it was so easy to equate them with ‘fascism’ and ‘Nazism’. Anyone who finds either of those two things palatable is mentally unwell. Similarly, self indulgent and unnecessarily abusive references to ‘wogs’, ‘pakis’ or ‘brillo-heads’ won’t help the cause. Finally, the answer to your question is anything below 10% would suit me. If numbers of ethnic minorities were reduced to that sort of level it would give those British who wish to retain their ethnicity and culture the space to do so. Those who prefer a multi-cultural existence would also have the opportunity to do so. It’s important that they be allowed this. I strongly suspect that without the strong arm of the state such communities would have severe problems but we’ll see. Of course don’t forget that none of this is possible without the defeat of the New World Order elites. The agenda is very real. It’s defeat, in many ways, has to be the primary focus. 49
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 17, 2010, 12:30 PM | # “The elite of the elite is Jewish.” I see the racial and cultural destruction of England as part of a much bigger picture. World government doesn’t really cover it because there’s a religious/esoteric dimension to it. It’s as much a spiritual battle as anything else. I’ve read an awful lot of material over the last few years and the conclusion I’ve reached is that all roads lead to Rome. Take a good look at the Jesuits, Opus Dei and the various secret societies such as the Knights of Malta and Knights Hospitaller. There’s also strong evidence to suggest that freemasonry is controlled by the Vatican. There’s your power base. The Vatican has always seen itself as the supreme authority. The power base in this country is the Crown. We don’t live in a ‘democracy’, we live in a veiled dictatorship and always have done. The Vatican controls the Crown. The Crown also controls America, Australia, Canada and New Zealand as well as the rest of the Commonwealth. The two key elements of control are through the law system and banking (economic). That’s not to say the elites are Catholic as such. The Roman Church is a veiled continuation of the Roman Empire, which had it’s roots in Babylon, as does Kabbalah and the Talmud. I know you doubt the extent to which the elites of this world are (to put it mildly) occultists, but I have none whatsoever. If you think the elites of the Vatican are Christian then ask yourself why an obelisk sacred to the Egyptian god Ra (Horus) is sitting on a sun dial in the centre of St. Peter’s square. As I said, the elite are occultists. The ‘sun worship’ they practice is luciferian. Many claim that this is really veiled Satanism. By their fruits shall ye know them. Their fruits include wars (including such horrors as the use of depleted uranium), engineered financial collapses, deliberate lies and deceit and false flag terrorism such as 9/11 and 7/7. Whatever you want to call it, it’s a dark force they use/revere. The Rothschild’s are the Vatican’s bankers. The Federal Reserve was a creation of European banking interests centred on the Crown/Bank of England. Those who are involved in the agenda who appear to be Jews are about as Jewish as the elite of the Vatican are Christian. Ordinary Jews are as manipulated and deceived as we are. What is being done is not to their benefit any more than it is to ours. It certainly seems as if conflict in the Middle East is going to happen and that when it does ordinary Jews will again be sacrificed for the agenda. In essence this is a luciferian agenda. That’s the tie that binds and is the explanation as to why the agenda is served by so many disparate people. I could go on but I’m not sure I’ll be able to convince you. I’ll add a few links below that might help to explain my perspective. http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=47 http://revolutionharry.blogspot.com/2010/03/treaty-of-verona-and-deception-that-is.html http://revolutionharry.blogspot.com/2009/12/jesuits-are-monsters-and-natural-allies.html http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2794 http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=SatanPrince http://truthseeker2473.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-controls-media-it-isnt-all-jews.html 50
Posted by Bill on August 22, 2010, 01:08 PM | # Dan. I’ve posted this here for no other reason than I think it maybe of interest to you in your search for the truth. Just another brick in the wall as they say. I’ve only been following this website for a couple of months but they do some interesting stuff. My apologies if already seen, but must warn you it is rather a lengthy piece, but well worth a read. IMO. Disclaimer. I don’t know where the Daily Bell are coming from.
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Posted by Revolution Harry on August 24, 2010, 06:46 PM | # Thanks for replying Bill. I read the article you linked to. What he seems to be describing is the management level of the ‘conspiracy’. What I’ve come to realise is that this contains many different groups all working towards the world government end but for differing reasons. In the simplest terms you have the Globalist/Capitalist (monopoly capitalists who are quite anti real free trade) right and the Marxist/Communist/Socilaist left. Two sides of a dialectic that appears to be heading towards what’s described as communitarianism. Tony Blair called it the Third Way. It’s a synthesis of monopoly capitalism and communism/socialism. Think China with a thin veneer of ‘democracy’. Those at the management level may well consider themselves to be ‘benevolent good guys’ but the ones pulling the strings suffer no such illusions. All I’m really trying to put across is that the issues that are of concern to the contributors at MR are just components of this much larger agenda. It doesn’t take long to discover that there is a clear esoteric/occult dimension to it as well. Understanding these things is necessary if they are to be successfully resisted. I also fear that many at MR have fallen into the carefully laid trap that sees this elite ‘conspiracy’ as being ‘Jewish’. I could post lots of links pointing to evidence of Vatican involvement. Rome has controlled the Crown on and off for centuries. It’s done so since the 18th century up to the present day. In turn the Crown controls the ‘united states’ of America. Yes there are many involved who are “Jewish’ but they are not Torah Jews. They are, in the main, Cabbalistic Sabbatean Talmudists. I liked the one quote which was: “Unless Americans and Europeans muster the will to oppose the authoritarian zeitgeist presently controlling our cultures and indoctrinating our children, the 21st century promises to be a dreadful descent into regional government that, in the words of Tocqueville, “compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people” until they are “reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.” Seeing the ethnic destruction of Britain and elsewhere in these terms surely helps to provide greater tools for resistance, as well as clear access to the moral high ground. When reading articles such as this I’m always more than a little wary. I’m sure you’re aware of the elites liking for Hegel. What is suggested in the article is really the anti-thesis of communitarianism. Considering the sorry state of so many today, libertarianism is always going to have a limited appeal. Of course freedom is fundamental but attempting to paint the resistance to the New World Order in libertarian terms may well be a trap. What’s required is a balance of some sort. At least in the short term. Seeing their symbol contains the white cross on a red background makes me just a little wary. This is the symbol of the Knights of Malta, one of the key societies in the broader agenda. I’m writing an article at the moment on Mr Conspiracy himself, David Icke. It would take too long to explain here why I think he’s part of the agenda but I’ll mention one small aspect which has some relevance. Icke’s ‘solutions’ are for everyone to understand that ‘we are all one’ and that ‘everything’s an illusion’. This illusion includes skin colour, culture etc. It’s a very powerful meme that has spread throughout the NWO conspiracy movement. What seems to be the agenda is that the ‘bad’ NWO is exposed but what we get in its place is the ‘good’ NWO. Icke and others like him are agents for preparing the way by manipulating the ‘awake’ masses into the ‘good’ NWO. The unawake masses will be so traumatised by the various created crises that they’ll agree to anything. Everyone’s expecting an Orwellian future whereas what we may well get is the Aldous Huxley version where not only will the slaves love their servitude they won’t even realise they are slaves. The only reason I check in here at all is because I’m painfully aware that the destruction of the British is part of the elite’s plan. I want to do all I can to prevent that happening. There are some fine minds at work at MR and I only wish that some of them could see the ‘bigger picture’. I’ve added a few quotes about the Jesuits for anyone else reading that might be interested. Thanks again, Harry. By 1815, the Jesuits [Ed. Note: through their agents, the Rothschilds] had complete control over England. If a leader did not do as he was told, money would be used to kill, smear [Ed. Note: character assassination is a favorite tactic of the Jesuits], destroy, blackmail, or just drive [him] from office. What was done in England is being done in many countries today. Bill Hughes (From his book The Enemy Unmasked) “It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country the United States of America are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated MOST of the wars of Europe.” Marquis de LaFayette (1757-1834; French statesman and general. He served in the American Continental Army under the command of General George Washington during the American Revolutionary War.)
Edmond Paris (Author of the book The Secret History of the Jesuits) Why would the Jesuits use their implacable enemy, the Jews, to further their designs for world dominion? The Jesuits never do anything out in the open where they can be exposed. If they are recognized as the culprits, they will be blamed and suffer the consequences, but if they can use someone else as the cause of the worlds problems, especially an enemy they can destroy in the process, then they have simultaneously accomplished two of their objectives. The Jewish people are the perfect scapegoat. Since the Rothschilds are Jesuit agents operating under a Jewish cover, using them [i.e., the Rothschilds] in forming the Illuminati back in 1776 effectively throws the onus of this conspiracy on the Jews. The Rothschilds are certainly not the only Jesuit agents that operate under a Jewish front. Bill Hughes (From his book The Enemy Unmasked) This [American Civil] war [of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis [President of the Confederacy] nor anyone of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that under the mask of Democracy, the money and arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France, were at their disposal if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war. I conceal what I know on that subject from the knowledge of the nation, for if the people knew the whole truth, this war would turn into a religious war, and it would at once take a tenfold more savage and bloody character. It would become merciless as all religious wars are. It would become a war of extermination on both sides. The Protestants of both the North and the South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits, if they could hear what Professor [Samuel B.] Morse [Ed. Note: famous for the Morse code] has said to me of the plots made in the very city of Rome [i.e., at the Vatican] to destroy this Republic, and if they could learn how the [Roman Catholic] priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion, instructing the people in their schools, taking care of the sick in the hospitals, are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our Constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free. Abraham Lincoln. I have learnt most of all from the Jesuit Order. So far, there has been nothing more imposing on earth than the hierarchical organization of the [Roman] Catholic Church. A good part of that organization I have transported direct to my own [Nazi] party. The Catholic Church must be held up as an example. I will tell you a secret. I am founding an order [Ed. Note: the Nazi SS]. In [Heinrich] Himmler [who would become head of the Nazi SS] I see our Ignatius de Loyola [Ed. Note: the founder of the Jesuit Order]. Adolph Hitler 52
Posted by Guessedworker on August 24, 2010, 06:56 PM | # Harry,
Unless you understand how power is overturned in ways which we don’t, you are some considerable distance behind our concern, not ahead of it. 53
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 24, 2010, 09:07 PM | # GW, What I’m saying is that in order to overturn or defeat the power you have to fully understand it. Both its broader aims and its driving force. Surely being able to see how issues such as mass immigration, multiculturism etc are just components of this broader agenda is of great benefit in the drive to defeat it. Although, from the evidence I’ve seen, I’d place the Vatican at the heart of this agenda I still remain open minded. There are many ‘fronts’ in this battle, many of them seemingly Jewish. I view all with equal suspicion and so in some ways it’s of less important to know for sure who is at ‘the top’ only who is involved. It’s for that reason I caution against the temptation to define the ‘enemy’ as ‘Jews’. It’s certainly not all Jews and it’s a very long way from being only Jews. Studying Vatican involvement may reap some rewards. http://owensoundfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/queen_elizabeth_guelp_smom1.gif 54
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 24, 2010, 10:42 PM | # Harry, this just to clarify that most talk at this site about a Jewish role does not come from the person you address in that last comment but from others, me included. The person you address acknowledges a Jewish role but cautions against overestimating its magnitude (on which he and I disagree somewhat). I think you’ll have your work cut out for you though to get him to see the whole thing as mainly the Jesuits’ doing but good luck with that if you’re determined to forge ahead. 55
Posted by Bill on August 25, 2010, 04:25 AM | # Harry on August 17, 2010, 04:07 PM Sorry Harry, somehow I missed this response of yours, and I haven’t a clue why? It is only my revisiting this thread this morning that I have noticed. Sometimes the traffic is so intense it’s just not possible to keep track. My apologies. Off the top of my head and quickly, here are my immediate thoughts, but not in any particular order of priority or events. Do we believe our civilisation is under deadly attack? What is the reason/motive behind this attack and what is the attackers desired aim? In what form is this attack manifesting itself? How are the people of the West to learn of their plight? Who is orchestrating this attack? How deep is the rabbit hole? Is it a conspiracy? Is it deliberate? Is it pre-planned? Is it in the natural order of things? It is the unintended consequences of do-gooders? And where and when did it originate? To what degree, and in what ways, has modernity enabled the acceleration of this agenda in the 21st century? Is it a fight to the last man/nation/civilization/ standing? How can we resist it? Is it being forced upon us? Are we in any way constrained by morality to the degree it is resisted? What would Darwin say? These are just but a few questions which barely scratch the surface. There are very few websites prepared to acknowledge, let alone address this subject in any meaningful depth. I do not expect you to answer these questions in reply here, as this subject is vast in its complexity and scope. Anyone embarking on this journey must address his/her inner self and answer to themselves candidly and honestly. It is the pursuit of the of the answers to such complex questions that is being discussed here - and is the very reason for the existence of this site. 56
Posted by Bill on August 25, 2010, 07:36 AM | # Harry August 24, 2010, 10:46 PM - August 25, 2010, 01:07 AM Have just caught up! I see where you are at. You are undertaking a huge task. Personally, I tend to paddle in the lower end of the spectrum, for it is locally we shall be at the sharp end. It is of little cosequence (practically speaking) to delve much further other than for dot connecting. For me, there comes a stage where it is unproductive to go beyond as the air becomes too rarified. The more I delve, the more incredulous it all becomes, if it’s boots on the ground that will make a difference, then how do we reach them? The David Icke’s and Alan Watts of this world are as you say, enablers, and very smart enablers too. I used to think Blair was bit player! Hmm? He’s made a lot of money being a useful idiot. I think most folk here are more than aware of what the big picture looks like, and each no doubt have their own pet perspective and remedies, but I must admit some subjects do seem to attract a disproportionate response (to use a well worn phrase) and go chasing off into the long grass. My own pet perspective is the intriguing question of local awareness and the emergence of embryonic resistance. I must say that everything I naively forecasted and pontificated upon at the beginning has either fallen by the wayside or not even taken off at all, which is all very chastening. 57
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 27, 2010, 04:37 PM | # Fred, I am aware, to some degree, that GW is far more cautious in regards to the extent of a Jewish role than others on MR. He did say though, in an earlier comment, that “the elite of the elite is Jewish.” However, the points I was trying to make weren’t directed at him personally. It was a far more general observation. Sadly I think it’s beyond me to convince anyone here of the extent to which the Vatican (largely through the Jesuits and the organisations it controls) is the main driver for global governance and everything else that goes with that. The choice is yours really. The evidence is out there if you want to study it. The alternative is to fall into the carefully laid trap of blaming the ‘Jews’ (to whatever degree) and not understanding the true nature of what we face. For me the racial and cultural destruction of Europe and European created nations has been instigated by the same (extremely) dark force that collapsed the World Trade Centre, blew up the tube trains and bus in London, engineered the ‘credit crunch’ (phase two is on its way), manipulated the creation of the fascist European Union and so much more. It lies, deceives, corrupts, enslaves and murders (Iraq and Afghanistan for starters). It even poisons our food and water. My suggestion is that to truly understand this allows you to align yourselves to the resistance of it and in the process give your ‘struggle’ an even greater moral imperative than it already has. It would also go a long way towards undermining attacks from the ‘left’. They, whether they like or admit it, are in support of what can only be described as evil when seen in the broader context. 58
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 27, 2010, 04:44 PM | # Harry on August 17, 2010, 04:07 PM Sorry Harry, somehow I missed this response of yours, and I haven’t a clue why? It is only my revisiting this thread this morning that I have noticed. Sometimes the traffic is so intense it’s just not possible to keep track. My apologies. That’s ok Bill, I’m just glad you took the time to respond. Off the top of my head and quickly, here are my immediate thoughts, but not in any particular order of priority or events. Do we believe our civilisation is under deadly attack? Yes, it certainly seems that way to me. What is the reason/motive behind this attack and what is the attackers desired aim? In what form is this attack manifesting itself? How are the people of the West to learn of their plight? Who is orchestrating this attack? How deep is the rabbit hole? “One of the most hidden secrets involves the so-called fall of Angels. Satan and his rebellious host will thus prove to have become the direct Saviours and Creators of divine man. Thus Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandiose image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God. Satan (or Lucifer) represents the Centrifugal Energy of the Universe, this ever-living symbol of self-sacrifice for the intellectual independence of humanity. “ Sister H.P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine Pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533 So who pulls the strings? For me it’s the Vatican. Even if you disagree that they are at the apex it’s still quite clear they play a key part. How deep is the rabbit hole? It’s suggested that there is a veiled level of bloodline elite families behind even the Vatican. These bloodlines are said to go back a long way through Rome, Greece, Egypt, Babylon and beyond. Does it go deeper than that. Quite possibly but beyond there you can encounter some very strange theories indeed. Is it a conspiracy? Is it deliberate? Is it pre-planned? Is it in the natural order of things? It is the unintended consequences of do-gooders? See above. Yes it’s a conspiracy and it’s planning has been a long time in advance. It’s the exact opposite of ‘the natural order of things.’ There are many do-gooders inadvertently helping the agenda due to the extreme levels of deception, lies and ‘perception management’ we have all suffered to some degree. And where and when did it originate? Some say it’s merely another battle in the age old war between good and evil. Again, I’d have squirmed if I’d written that a few years ago. When you become convinced by the evidence that they’ve instigated most of the wars, enslaved us through the banking system, then engineered the collapse of that system, bought down the twin towers and are presently in the process of destroying the nations of Britain forever you know you’re faced with pure evil. The Fabians are a key element of the agenda and their origins can be traced back to the late 19th century. I suspect it’s far longer back than that though. I’ve mentioned Babylon before. Well here, [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgXqKP0XKGM/SwsWR67MUHI/AAAAAAAABSw/caWHd2tbt8Y/s320/EU+babylonhttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EgXqKP0XKGM/SwsWR67MUHI/AAAAAAAABSw/caWHd2tbt8Y/s320/EU+babylon+compare.jpg To what degree, and in what ways, has modernity enabled the acceleration of this agenda in the 21st century? Is it a fight to the last man/nation/civilization/ standing? How can we resist it? Is it being forced upon us? Are we in any way constrained by morality to the degree it is resisted? What would Darwin say? These are just but a few questions which barely scratch the surface. There are very few websites prepared to acknowledge, let alone address this subject in any meaningful depth. There are many out there who are attempting to resist the NWO. Some are obvious shills, others infected by the various memes put out by the elites by the high profile ‘celebrity’ NWO researchers. Quite a lot though are genuine but even then they shy away from touching subjects such as those of interest to MR contributors and readers. The brainwashing around these subjects is very strong. That’s where I think those at MR would prove invaluable. I do not expect you to answer these questions in reply here, as this subject is vast in its complexity and scope. Anyone embarking on this journey must address his/her inner self and answer to themselves candidly and honestly. It is the pursuit of the of the answers to such complex questions that is being discussed here - and is the very reason for the existence of this site. They are complex questions but I thought I’d give a brief response anyway. They are all questions that need addressing. Personally, I tend to paddle in the lower end of the spectrum, for it is locally we shall be at the sharp end. It is of little cosequence (practically speaking) to delve much further other than for dot connecting. For me, there comes a stage where it is unproductive to go beyond as the air becomes too rarified. The more I delve, the more incredulous it all becomes, if it’s boots on the ground that will make a difference, then how do we reach them? I know what you mean. In many ways understanding the depths of the agenda has limited value. It is quite easy to get lost down any one of numerous ‘rabbit holes’ if you’re not careful. I’ve perhaps delved a little deeper than yourself and I’m glad I did. It’s only by cross referencing and exploring various avenues that you can begin to see the bigger picture. That said there comes a point when enough of the picture is in focus and further efforts should be in the pursuit of a successful defeat of the agenda. That’s partly why I’m commenting here. What we need to reach is a large enough group to make a difference. It doesn’t necessarily have to be everyone. I’m a member of the British Constitution Group. There’s a crossover of interests with them and many nationalists. There are other groups like them, as well as those ‘awake’ to the agenda. The challenge is bringing these together or at least have them working towards the same or similar ends. The enemy is extremely crafty, cunning and deceptive. If a successful resistance is to be waged and won then an understanding of the psychological dimension of this ‘war’ is essential. What’s required is some very smart thinking from all concerned. The David Icke’s and Alan Watts of this world are as you say, enablers, and very smart enablers too. I used to think Blair was bit player! Hmm? He’s made a lot of money being a useful idiot. 59
Posted by Revolution Harry on August 27, 2010, 04:45 PM | # I think most folk here are more than aware of what the big picture looks like, and each no doubt have their own pet perspective and remedies, but I must admit some subjects do seem to attract a disproportionate response (to use a well worn phrase) and go chasing off into the long grass. My own pet perspective is the intriguing question of local awareness and the emergence of embryonic resistance. I must say that everything I naively forecasted and pontificated upon at the beginning has either fallen by the wayside or not even taken off at all, which is all very chastening. What’s obvious is the PTB’s use of the divide and rule technique. Of course mass immigration plays a major part in this but there are also divisions being exploited amongst the natives. If a successful resistance is to be waged then this needs to be taken into account. Stating a desire to return Britain back to an all white nation by any means necessary is automatically going to ostracise other potential allies. Any force is going to be met by an overwhelming state response. Getting into political power with such a platform would be nigh on impossible. My suggestion is that, in the context of the agenda being waged and when that agenda is effectively exposed, it’s perfectly acceptable to say our desire is to return Britain back to an all white nation and we will use all non violent and legal means at our disposal. This would make your position known and should not automatically alienate those who may not have completely similar objectives. Focus could then be placed on objectives that would most likely be agreed on, namely an end to mass immigration, positive discrimination, funding of ethnic only organisations, political correctness and multicultural propaganda courtesy of the BBC etc. The tide will have been turned and who knows how far back it will roll. What’s needed is a moral narrative that the masses respond to. How is that disseminated? The internet is fairly limited. The printed word has always been effective but it can also be expensive. One idea I had was an online ‘magazine’ that could be downloaded in a pdf format and printed and distributed by activists. New readers would be encouraged to become activists and so the word is spread. Of course if a broad based resistance movement was created then public meetings could be held. I’ll say it again, the BNP is controlled and is being neutered. This is hardly surprising when you become aware of the scale of planning involved. Taking the Fabians alone you can see how long they’ve had to plan ahead. The antithesis to their agenda is nationalism which is why they expected organised resistance along those lines and have endeavoured to control and weaken it. Looks like they’re succeeding. Whether they will ultimately succeed is up to me, you, everyone at MR and anyone else who doesn’t want to be enslaved in a totalitarian world government that requires the destruction of European peoples if it’s to succeed. 60
Posted by Bill on August 28, 2010, 04:44 PM | # Simon Darby Sex Scandal. http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/bnp/ According to the BDF, Simon Darby has resigned from the party. I wondered why his blog had not been updated for days. 61
Posted by Rusty on August 23, 2011, 10:49 PM | # Bill and Harry, I think you are confusing Alan Watt with Alan Watts. Next entry: Diary of an Ant-Racist (Part 2) Previous entry: The Tribe and Me |
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Posted by Bill on August 11, 2010, 03:33 AM | #
C’mon GW we need the big picture, what’s going down here, what forces are in play here.
I’m too much of a conspiracy nut to be objective, I simply cannot (and have not from my beginning of awareness) bought into the BNP, OK perhaps to begin with, but there soon became a feeling of unreality about it all. I’m a very suspicious person.
Like most when starting to look down the rabbit hole, I was boyishly optimistic and naive, I was sure I was on to something and the BNP was part of the answer.
This was c 2006. As time went on and much investigation ensued, (hundreds and hundreds of hours) it soon dawned on me that this situation we found ourselves in was a vast undertaking by the most powerful people in the world. The rabbit hole had become a vast subterranean world of subterfuge.
Untold mega amounts of money, blood and treasure has been invested over many years. In short, so much has been invested in this project (NWO call it what you will) that the very idea a minor nationalist party such as the BNP would be allowed to flourish is a joke. It is from this perspective one must look for explanations.
Then along comes the EDL and the BNP’s strength, which had been prospering, suddenly begins to wilt and rot from within to the point of collapse. All very strange methinks.
Again I ask, what’s going down here?