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Left-wing BNPThe following letter from Lord Tebbitt about the British National Party appeared in the London “Daily Telegraph”. Norman Tebbitt has himself been described as a “hardline rightwinger”. He was a Minister under Margaret Thatcher and chairman of the Conservative Party
PESKY UPDATE: The Ku Klux Klan were all Democrats, Hitler was a socialist, Karl Marx was an antisemite, the Soviets persecuted the Jews and the main support for the White Australia Policy was the Australian Labor party—and it still is!. Any pattern there? Nah!
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Posted by karlmagnus on April 21, 2006, 09:23 PM | # As usual Tebbitt’s hit the nail on the head (alas, alas, the lost leader….). It all dates back to Mosley being deeply confused about economics and trying to marry his barmy Socialist theories with his barmy anti-Semitism, his barmy love of primitive fisticuffs and a nationalism that wasn’t really necessary in the 1930s, when noble Neville Chamberlain ran the country and there were almost no immigrants. Griffin’s done a good job of getting rid of the anti-Semitism and the fisticuffs, or at least of playing them down, but he’s left the barmy left economics in place and he hasn’t really thought through foreign policy beyond leaving the EU. However, every vote he gets in the May local elections is a nail in the coffins of Blair and Cameron, so is to be encouraged. Hopefully, if he does well, he will come to realize that his policy mix is an unfinished canvas and won’t work as it stands. 3
Posted by ad on April 21, 2006, 09:58 PM | # Economic liberalism leads to cultural liberalism. No real nationalist party will allow it. Why should they? You can’t be anti-immigration and a free traitor. Private property rights? Yes. Rights to trade internationally or indulge in usury at the expense of the interests of the nation? No. There is no room for negotiation. If you want it, do it in another nation. Homo-economites, whether Capitalists or Marxist, are equally degenerate. Both belong in cosmopolitania with all the consequences that come with it. 4
Posted by Al Ross on April 21, 2006, 11:01 PM | # KM’s disdainful dismissal of Mosley’s economic policies doesnt sit well with the glaring reality of the 1930’s, viz Hitler’s engineering of an impressively rapid German economic revival. The Hitlerian policy of neo-mercantilism worked, not only for Germany, but also for post-war Japan and later for South Korea and Malaysia,and,indeed, is being applied to great effect in China today. America’s intractable trade deficit is but one proof of the unwisdom of liberal economics and,if it is not yet a cause for concern, it will,most assuredly, become one in the near future. 5
Posted by Nick Tamiroff on April 21, 2006, 11:51 PM | # America’s intractable trade deficit is but one proof of the unwisdom of liberal economics and,if it is not yet a cause for concern, it will,most assuredly, become one in the near future. How correct you are,sir,and few economists see[or admitt]precisely what is occuring.The out-sourcing,illegal immigration wage depression,and entitlements for all,are driving us to the situation France now sees it’s self in-20 years,MAX,and America is floundering in a tidal pool of it’s own making.Eisenhower once said “whats good for General Motors,is good for the country”,but,if so,then the inverse must also prevail.Just check the business pages and stock market .They are only keeping their heads above water at the expense of their pensioners and sub-contractors,but thats only a near-term solution. 6
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 22, 2006, 06:51 AM | # General Motors of course is close to bankrput as is Ford and Chrysler is already German owned. (chuckle) 7
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 22, 2006, 06:53 AM | # In reply to Norman Tebitt, if “right-wing” means fighting needless ME wars, I am happy to be on the left. We need a foreign policy that is based on nationals self interest - on the self interest of Britain’s native population, not one that only suits Oil corporations, Internationalists, Corporate CEOs etc. 8
Posted by Steve Edwards on April 22, 2006, 08:27 AM | # But immigration is just as likely to be spurred by the welfare state as it is by “liberal economics”. 9
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 22, 2006, 09:04 AM | # Steve, That is exactly right. Sweden, which is a pretty socialist country, has more foreign born people (as a percentage of the population) than America. 10
Posted by Matra on April 22, 2006, 11:06 AM | # Just for the record socialistic Sweden is big on free trade as they export a lot. Swedish social democrats and business leaders have both been critical of the lack of commitment to free trade in the US and EU. Fred Scrooby: “I challenge anyone to show why NATO is still needed.” General Wesley Clark who was in charge of NATO’s only real action to date - the aggressive war against Serbia - on why that action was undertaken by NATO:
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Posted by john rackell on April 22, 2006, 12:38 PM | # Nick Griffin’s letter to the Telegraph - unpublished (via his http://chairmanscolumn.blogspot.com/)
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Posted by PCA on April 22, 2006, 12:55 PM | # Capitalism = Multiculturalism What a load of crap. It is (and was) forced upon us by government. It is socialist in its creation and its (likely) death. It would seem to me that some people here advocate that the answer to socialism; is more socialism! 13
Posted by L Stewart on April 22, 2006, 01:51 PM | # The reason the British National Party is said to be ‘(extreme) right wing’ by its opponents is because it is thus easier to Norman Tebbit may indeed be justified in calling himself a “hardline rightwinger” in terms of today’s weak & ineffective Swifter & more efficient integration leading to a South American-type melting pot is not what people want : it is their own country back and their identity & way of life preserved. 14
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 22, 2006, 03:02 PM | # If governance by the BNP is the desire of the British people then why was the BNP handed its proverbial hat in the March by-election in Bradford City/Keighly West by Labour? Allegedly Bradford is a BNP stronghold-Nick Griffin ran here in 2005 General Election. In addition, if the British people are proud of their northern European ancestry, then why is the BNP drafting in candidates who are Greco/Armenian and only recent Christian converts? As well, when there was an outcry from those same British people, over the nomination, the BNP leadership told them to fuck off. 15
Posted by Steve Edwards on April 22, 2006, 03:40 PM | # “There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states.” So that’s why they bombed Serbia. Nothing to do with “national security” or “ending genocide”, but because, as General Clark puts it, “there is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states”. My jaw hit the ground when I read that. I just can’t believe it. Never has there been any statement of pure criminal intent such as that - “we will kill you because we don’t like your culture”. That is quite simply the most disgusting thing I have ever heard in my life. I didn’t think I’d ever say this, but the cold truth is that these people are worse than Hitler. In terms of pure rapaciousness and unmitigated evil, they make Hitler look like a frickin’ Quaker. Unbelievable. 17
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 22, 2006, 03:48 PM | # Clark is a Jew.
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Posted by Steve Edwards on April 22, 2006, 05:23 PM | # Let us call this a moment of clarity - we are ranged against a global syndicate of cold-blooded serial killers who don’t even try to hide their intent anymore. They are not only worse than Hitler, they are objectively more criminal than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il multiplied by three and squared. They stand for one thing, and one thing only: ritualised mass murder. Anybody who defends this system, or any one of its component parts, is a moral cretin and a psychopath. These New World Order nazis are an abomination to humanity, and they must be stopped before they destroy every last trace of civilisation on earth. 19
Posted by Steve Edwards on April 22, 2006, 05:28 PM | # Allow yourself to be inculcated with the truth. Just say it over and over again until it sinks in: Worse than Hitler. Worse than Hitler. Worse than Hitler. One quadrillion times worse than m*****f******* Hitler. 20
Posted by Steve Edwards on April 22, 2006, 05:32 PM | # Why do I even bother with humanity anymore? 21
Posted by John Ray on April 22, 2006, 06:37 PM | # Wow Marty The economic revival in 1930s Germany was nothing to do with mercantilism It was Schacht’s clever monetary policies that were the biggest factor—plus a Keynesian stimulus from war preparations 22
Posted by Guessedworker on April 22, 2006, 06:51 PM | # The Daily Mail is the latest rag to speculate on the BNP’s forthcoming electoral performance, in a piece posted on their site at 20.30 hours this evening:-
Of course, there’s no actual reason given why voting for the BNP is illegitimate. We are simply asked to follow Mr Cruddas’ moral lead. I wonder why he doesn’t at least explain the advantages of multiculturalism to us blind white fools, as Ms Hodge urged the other day. 23
Posted by ben tillman on April 22, 2006, 07:13 PM | #
From The Forward: http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.09.26/news1.clark.html It was only in his 20s that Wesley Clark, the retired general and Iraq war critic, discovered his Jewish ancestry. But the newest entry in the Democratic presidential race has wasted no time in bringing his fledgling campaign to Jewish precincts — and by this week he seemed poised to inherit some Jewish voters uncomfortable with the war but uneasy about some positions of another anti-war contender, former Vermont governor Howard Dean. *** Clark, 58, was born in Chicago as Wesley Kanne. His father was a Jewish lawyer and Democratic politico whose own father, Jacob Nemerovsky, had been a refugee from Minsk. Clark’s father died when he was 4; his Southern-born mother returned with her child to her native Arkansas, where she remarried and raised Clark as a Baptist. She hid his Jewish background from him, seeking to spare him from the prejudice she saw around her, but Clark — who converted to Catholicism as an adult — learned of his large Jewish family and was reunited with them when he was in his 20s. Clark’s Jewish roots have influenced his thinking about domestic and world affairs, he told the Forward in an interview in January. However, he refuted late 1990s press reports suggesting that his family’s Jewish refugee background influenced his fight for the Kosovars. “I don’t know if it had any direct impact,” he said. “I was trying to do my duty at the time. Everybody has a responsibility to do his duty.” But he credited his Jewish background with raising his consciousness to the civil rights movement: a useful biographical well upon which to draw when appealing to African-American voters. Referring to his childhood memories of the Little Rock integration crisis of 1957, he said, “I saw first-hand the racial prejudice, the civil disobedience, the intolerance,” he told the Forward. As an adult, he added, “I’ve often gone back to that experience. It’s something I’ve related to.” He also cited his Jewish background in relation to his feeling “sick” that in 1994 the “U.S. didn’t encourage the U.N. to stop the genocide” in Rwanda: “When you can make a difference, you should.” 24
Posted by Amalek on April 22, 2006, 07:13 PM | # Griffin talks of ” true traditional Tories in the Joseph Chamberlain mould”, but Chamberlain was a Liberal Unionist: a defector from the Liberal Party who advocated an aggressive colonising and imperial-preference policy, having made his name plundering ratepayers to construct ‘municipal socialism’ in Birmingham. Joe C was as baleful a blight on the traditional Tory squirearchy as ‘neoconservatives’ are today in America’s Republican Party. His irruption into the Conservative Party’s counsels identified it with dear food and brought about the crushng defeat of 1906. That led to the foundation of the welfare state under the arch-rat Lloyd George—more mulcting of the thrifty and enterprising for dysgenic objects— and installed a government which thrust us into a European war in 1914 on proto-Wilsonian pleadings: the most disastrous misstep in modern British history. If Mr Griffin is sincere about establishing the United Kingdom as a country which eschews foreign meddling and empire-building, Chamberlain is the very last politician he should pray in aid. 25
Posted by Matra on April 22, 2006, 08:00 PM | # Desmond Jones, Why do you hate the BNP so much? Every time there’s a thread on them you feel the need to belittle them and take delight in their failures. What is it about mostly powerless British people trying against all odds to form some kind of resistance to multiculturalism that upsets you so much? Should the British act like spineless Anglo-Canadians who have already accepted their replacement? 26
Posted by Mark Richardson on April 22, 2006, 08:17 PM | # Matra, I have some sympathy for Desmond here, though. It’s true that the BNP is standing an Muslim Armenian convert as a candidate. This could be defended on pragmatic grounds. What was disturbing though was the way the BNP spokesman attacked critics of the move as an unwelcome lunatic fringe. It leaves me confused as to what the BNP really stand for. The broadest of broad white nationalisms or something more particular? 27
Posted by john rackell on April 22, 2006, 08:25 PM | # It leaves me confused as to what the BNP really stand for. The broadest of broad white nationalisms or something more particular? It’s basically a canard against the BNP making the rounds. Might as well let the BNP (& Nick Griffin) speak for themselves:
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Posted by Matra on April 22, 2006, 08:26 PM | # Mark, I believe Desmond was attacking the BNP before that candidate was proposed. 29
Posted by Desmond jones on April 22, 2006, 08:31 PM | # I asked first Matra. Why are you so afraid of the hard questions? Why are you afraid to look crtically at the BNP? If Griffin et al are truely working for the interest of Britons, why the displays of typical political opportunism? You swallow whole Griffin’s hypocritical admonishment of the events during the Amren conference? You applaud the clear display of opportunism shown with the drafting of a non-Briton/Muslim candidate? You agree that those Britons who have long supported this party should be derided for their protest against such an action? How do these actions differ from Anglo-Canucks? Labour whups the BNP’s ass in Bradford, on their home turf, and no one even mentions it. It’s quite funny really. 30
Posted by Desmond jones on April 22, 2006, 08:43 PM | # Given that Armenians are classified by US court decision as ‘white…’ LMAO, if a US court decides there white, then they must be white. The point Griffin conveniently side steps is that they are only there because of mass immigration. British citizens of Greek origin, this is ethno-centrism according to the BNP? It’s ok guys ‘cause it’s right here in the constitution. Too funny! 31
Posted by Matra on April 22, 2006, 08:57 PM | # Why are you so afraid of the hard questions? Like what? If Griffin et al are truely working for the interest of Britons, why the displays of typical political opportunism? The BNP don’t make the rules. In case you haven’t noticed they have an uphill battle. What would you recommend they do instead? Endorse Nazism? As long as they don’t sell out by playing down their opposition to continuing immigration and membership of the EU I don’t see what the problem is. You swallow whole Griffin’s hypocritical admonishment of the events during the Amren conference? I have no problem with his remarks about the Amren conference. I suspect he met a bunch of American know-nothings babbling on about Zionism (maybe their beloved Dresden too) and realised why they had never accomplished anything despite decades of anger from white Americans towards their ruling class. Could you spell out what you mean by “hypocritical admonishment”? Even if you do have some problems with them why do you have so much hatred for them? Do you have better recommendations for achieving some success in the UK that exists rather than the one some of us wished existed? The BNP are the only game in town. The Tories in their present condition are an enemy and so they need to be destroyed. Desmond, if you lived in the UK who would you vote for in May? 32
Posted by john rackell on April 22, 2006, 09:09 PM | # You peddle rumours that the guy is or was Muslim, or had Muslim forebears, when there appears to be no evidence for this. He was chosen by a local BNP branch.(story) You make it seem as if Nick Griffin personally annointed him. Griffin was pretty much damned if he did, damned if he didn’t on this one. If he’d ditched the guy he’d look like a meddler and a bully - smart of the press to box him in like that. This is a complete non-issue - 1 candidate amonst 350. The compromise isn’t with a half Briton but with reality. The reality was published in the Guardian the other day:
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Posted by Al Ross on April 22, 2006, 09:29 PM | # “Just about everybody was mercantilist (protectionist) at the time” John Ray’s statement would indicate that the two are synonymous but this isnt necessarily the case. The purpose of a neo-mercantile startegy is to determine the core economic needs of the nation, then create an environment in which entrepeneurs can flourish while fulfilling those needs. I forgot to add Singapore to the aforementioned list of countries which owe the basis of their economic success to such a policy, and in the island republic’s case, remaining open to free trade. 34
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 22, 2006, 11:26 PM | # Griffin enjoys the hospitality of those‘American know-nothings’allegedly joining the Stormfront leadership headed by Black, and which included Strom and Duke, for a sightseeing tour that took in the National Air and Space Museum, the National Archives, the National Art Gallery, the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial, is upset when he gets sprayed with shite after Duke burst Taylor’s JQ balloon, and then runs home and whines about it. It’s hypocrisy of the highest order. Are we to believe that Nick-o did not know of the potential for confrontation in Washington? It appears when he was there he actually embraced it. What do you think Griffin would say publicly abour MR? The same thing Auster is saying?
It appears Auster is a fan of Griffin’s anti-anti-semitism and most of the rest are dumped in with the Stormfront crowd. Is that the BNP’s agenda? After all the compromise is with reality? Is this the party you would vote for? 35
Posted by Mark Richardson on April 22, 2006, 11:43 PM | # John R, thanks for the clarification about the BNP candidate. 36
Posted by john on April 23, 2006, 03:02 AM | # I voted for Griffin a few years back, to become party chairman. He hasn,t disappointed. His genius has been to inspire members to get on with it. I,ve no time for people who are critical or negative. I,ve been out canvassing with a retired check-out lady with a gamme leg. After you,ve done that, someone yapping on trying to discredit someone isn,t worth giving a second thought. 37
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 23, 2006, 03:51 AM | # Desmond Jones would bring Tyndall back in an instant and consign this country to the ash heap of history with his beloved Canada. It’s not like we are spoilt for choices, are we Desmond? Who should we vote for? Galloway? Because he’s blonde? I agree with John’s comment above. If there were many viable options, one could nitpick with the BNP and say we won’t go along. But we can’t. There is no electoral alternative at present. Griffin is an intelligent man who has brought the movement this far. Ideological purists in their ivory towers are going to get nowhere in politics. Why do you hate the BNP so much? I have been mysitified myself. In fact the only critical things dear Desmond ever says about any British politician or Party is usually about the BNP. There is very little about the slimy Blair, David Chameleon or the useless Liberal Democrats. Not one comment! What does that tell you? I am not against debate. I don’t agree with the BNP’s decision as regards the Armenian candidate. But one needs to bear the bigger picture in mind. If we don’t vote BNP who do we vote for? 38
Posted by Al Ross on April 23, 2006, 04:27 AM | # The mainstream UK media, especially the Bombay Broadcasting Corporation, have been attempting to scare the electorate with stories about the BNP’s so-called extremism, but I think the British public are beginning to realise that they shouldnt necessarily believe everything the Marxian manipulators tell them. What, after all, does the average Briton fear most? Is it the BNP or is it the rotting, crime-ridden,welfare-dependent, educationally-failing, foetid racial swamp created by New Labour? 39
Posted by Steve Edwards on April 23, 2006, 07:10 AM | # Desmond is a serial mischief-maker who gets off on sowing trouble and discontent on this site. Keep that in mind when he posts. 40
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 23, 2006, 07:25 AM | # Steve, Yes you are right. I don’t want to sound too critical but he has referred to the BNP as a “piece of excrement”. I mean even the nastiest liberals in Britain don’t talk that way. So what gives? 41
Posted by Matra on April 23, 2006, 01:11 PM | # I thought Desmond favoured whites converting to Islam. So if the BNP candidate were a Muslim I don’t see his problem with that as Islam, though dominated by Arabs, is universalist in nature. If we all converted to Islam wouldn’t we be forced to accept all non-white Muslims as our own? 42
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 23, 2006, 02:40 PM | #
I’ve always been an opponent of socialism. I despise the idea of the productive being serially robbed by a legal mafia to ostensibly support the unproductive. That said, I have to disagree with you. I see a great deal of support from corporations for race-replacement and so-called multiculturalism. It is natural for a corporation to seek to become global, and it is natural for a global corporation to pursue globalism. National, ethnic, racial, and group integrity are diametrically opposed to globalism and by extension, to capitalism. Capitalism is fine, within strict parameters. Outside of them it is a nightmare; outside its limits it’s a man selling the rope destined to hang him. Having said that I naturally despise socialism, I admit that in the last few years I’ve come to see it as a lesser evil. I’d choose socialism if it meant nationalism, and reject capitalism if it meant internationalism, just as I’d choose monarchy in a heartbeat if it meant a racially, nationally, ethnically healthy monarchy. Like Scroob, I’ve grown bored with left this right that, this -ism or that -ism. The hell with all of them that don’t have my people, my race, foremost in mind. As for which -ism truly supports the nation, the race, and the ethne best, I think the winner should be characterized less by left and right and more by decentralization; our sociobiology dictates that our focus is quite small in scope - we evolved as tribes of a few hundred souls and that’s how we’re wired. Something tells me the Swiss are in the right neighborhood. 43
Posted by AD on April 23, 2006, 08:46 PM | # Jon “a white nation is a leftist nation” Ray, is there anything he doesnt know? 9 out of 10 potential African-Australians say no. 44
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 23, 2006, 10:22 PM | # You don’t need to bring Tyndall back to consign the UK to history’s trash heap, 54% illegitimacy rates will accomplish that very nicely. Ideological purists in their ivory towers are going to get nowhere in politics. At barely 2% of the popular vote neither will opportunist like Griffin it appears. After years of effort Griffin has raised the level of interest in the party to just about where it was as the National Front. It rivals nothing that his counterparts in Europe, the Danes, the Austrians, etc. have accomplished yet he has the unmitigated gall to critisize Americans. Why does Matra hate those know-nothing Yanks so? What, after all, does the average Briton fear most? Based upon electoral votes, it appears to be the BNP. If the British people so despised New Labour, why did they vote Labour in Keighley West, an alleged BNP stronghold? Don’t you think it might be worthwhile to examine why the BNP got their ass kicked in Bradford, so it does not happen again! I am not against debate. Yes you are Phil, old boy. You want head nodders, yes men. What is the bigger picture? The fact is you don’t know. If Griffin can lie so easily, invoking puerile references to US court decisions in order to soothe your discontent, what else is he willing to do once elected? If you’re buying a house, or anything for that matter, why waste your time examining every other home in the neighbourhood. It is the house in which you are making your investment that should be examined most closely. It would not be so bad if the Muslim was white, after all it’s not the first time a Muslim stood for the BNP-
You’ve got infirm old white Britons out hobbling around, trying to make a difference, with a leadership willing to sell all principles for political expediency. And then when people complain they’re dubbed “mischief-makers who gets off on sowing trouble and discontent”. They are a lunatic fringe. That, IMO, is shitty. You guys are the mirror image of your Liberal counterparts, when you can’t explain it, ad hominem it away. It’s really quite amusing. The list continues to grow; internecine racist, hateful, agent provocateur, and serial mischief-maker. In the Liberal blogosphere, it’s drooling neo-Nazi, anti-semite, and self-loathing. Well at least it’s consistent. Oh ‘a piece of shit on an ice cube’ was the quote. 45
Posted by karlmagnus on April 23, 2006, 10:37 PM | # Desmond, I’ll bet you’ve never been to Keighley. I have a sister who lives near there and has been voting NF/BNP since Maggie left (we all told her she was mad, but she now appears ahead of her time.) It’s rather old fashioned middle class, so not quite prime BNP country, unlike Barking/Dagenham, or Halifax, where my sister lives. In today’s Telegraph, Cameron has told voters to vote for anyone but the BNP, which should ensure a further massive surge in BNP support—the man’s thick as well as quisling! This time it really looks as if they may do well; there were even signs of support for them in Cheltenham, which is hardly labour country. However, they won’t take council seats in Cheltenham without grown-up economics. The BNP gives one an alternative in Britain; there is currently no such alternative in the US, although Senator Allen’s bid for re-election in my native Virginia is probably worth supporting. Snottiness about the BNP’s chances, or quibbling about the precise facial shade of its candidates (Armenians are firmly European, incidentally and also of course Christian for about 1700 years) is thus uncalled for. Even if it doesn’t win, a big BNP vote would bring closer the ousting of Cameron and the recapture of the Tories by someone sensible. 46
Posted by ben tillman on April 23, 2006, 11:00 PM | # Even if it doesn’t win, a big BNP vote would bring closer the ousting of Cameron and the recapture of the Tories by someone sensible. Yes. Look at what happened with the GOP after Ross ran for president in 1992. We saw the “Contract with America” in 1994. It was soon abandoned, but there was a reaction indeed. 47
Posted by Al Ross on April 24, 2006, 12:02 AM | # Cameron has very little common with the good old boys of his party’s 1960’s Monday Club, whose members would probably choke on their pink gins at the BNP’s promotion of Cameron surely cannot last and if the BNP do well enough to contribute to his early ouster, we may find a conservative (if such there be) actually leading the Conservative Party. 48
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 24, 2006, 02:16 AM | # Armenians are firmly Europeanhowever not British. Subcons et al are not the only immigrants that concern the British public. If Bradford is not BNP country then why did Griffin stand there in 2005? What is the BNP playing at? This from BNP “Legal Eagle”, Lee Barnes:
Yet, according to a March USA Today/Gallup poll, 60 percent of Americans view the war in Iraq as a mistake, and 54 percent said they want troops to come home immediately or within a year. Now Duke is a dupe of the neo-con Zionists? It must also make Phil and many at MR dupes of the neo-cons because they also concur that this is a war for Israel. Even more bizarre, however, is that this was published 2/16/2006 and then Griffin attended the Amren conference which began 2/22/2006. Why go to Washington and hang with Duke if this is how the BNP leadership feels about ANR? The dizzying heights of hypocracy! 49
Posted by EV, EF, ER on April 24, 2006, 02:21 AM | # This from BNP “Legal Eagle”, Lee Barnes: Lee Barnes is a know-nothing. 50
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 24, 2006, 05:48 AM | # Desmond, old chap, you seem to like running around in circles re-hashing the same arguments again and again. So to deal with your specific re-cycled points: You don’t need to bring Tyndall back to consign the UK to history’s trash heap, 54% illegitimacy rates will accomplish that very nicely. Iceland has 70 percent illegitimacy. It is nowhere near the ash heap yet. At barely 2% of the popular vote neither will opportunist like Griffin it appears. They polled nearly 5 percent in the elections for the European Parliament and they polled close to 5 percent in the seats they contested in 2005. Anyway, if the BNP is hopeless we shall find out after the elections. What’s your hurry? It rivals nothing that his counterparts in Europe, the Danes, the Austrians, etc. have accomplished yet he has the unmitigated gall to critisize Americans. Why does Matra hate those know-nothing Yanks so? What do you care about Wills Carto and the like? Why are you forthing so much as to be covered with soap? Where has the nationalist movement got to in America? Forget about a nationalist movement, it does not even have a party that stands for immigration restriction. It is a misnomer to compare the BNP’s progress with nationalist parties in the Continent because our system runs very differently. We don’t have proportional representation, we have a first past the post system. As a result, small parties will always be at a serious disadvantage. Based upon electoral votes, it appears to be the BNP. If the British people so despised New Labour, why did they vote Labour in Keighley West, an alleged BNP stronghold? Don’t you think it might be worthwhile to examine why the BNP got their ass kicked in Bradford, so it does not happen again! As I said, if the BNP is hopeless we shall find out in May. What is your hurry? But if we see a significant jump in their support, then I hope you will shut up. Yes you are Phil, old boy. You want head nodders, yes men. What is the bigger picture? The fact is you don’t know. If Griffin can lie so easily, invoking puerile references to US court decisions in order to soothe your discontent, what else is he willing to do once elected? If you’re buying a house, or anything for that matter, why waste your time examining every other home in the neighbourhood. It is the house in which you are making your investment that should be examined most closely. You have one party that opposes the complete destruction of Britain. HALF A MILLION immigrants came in last year through the door and no one wants to put a stop to it. And you want to argue about Armenians? Either your priorities are misplaced or you’re a deliberate mischief maker. I am willing to give you the benefit of doubt and grant that its the former. Those oily Greeks, Armenians and Italians get under your skin so much, you forget that there are millions of THIRD WORLDERS coming through the door. You guys are the mirror image of your Liberal counterparts, when you can’t explain it, ad hominem it away. If we were Liberals, we would ban you. That’s what Liberals do (check our threads on Samizdata). Even Geoff’s rants have never been censored here. Geez, if we are like liberals, why come here at all? You can go to VNN or some other place. They don’t have a liberal sinew in their entire body! Re: Barnes’ article. He didn’t get his ideas across correctly. Barnes should have focused on Duke and his compatriots going off to lecture ME audiences about how the US is evil and controlled by Zionists. What percentage of voters do you think are going to have any sympathy with nationalists after they hear that (especially after 9-11)? Trying to make alliances with people who are perceived in America as an enemy and who have absolutely no influence in American politics is a serious mistake. Why do they do it? 51
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 24, 2006, 08:51 AM | # Yet, according to a March USA Today/Gallup poll, 60 percent of Americans view the war in Iraq as a mistake, and 54 percent said they want troops to come home immediately or within a year. Now Duke is a dupe of the neo-con Zionists? It must also make Phil and many at MR dupes of the neo-cons because they also concur that this is a war for Israel. Even more bizarre, however, is that this was published 2/16/2006 and then Griffin attended the Amren conference which began 2/22/2006. Why go to Washington and hang with Duke if this is how the BNP leadership feels about ANR? I hadn’t dealt with this argument properly so I’ll do this now. It is hilarious to see dear Desmond accusing the BNP of being slimy for saying we shouldn’t call this a war for Israel when he himself spent a good two to three hours arguing with me that Israel had nothing to do with the war. See here. So Dessie old boy, is this a war for Israel or not? Make up your mind first, then we can watch you smear the BNP. 52
Posted by Matra on April 24, 2006, 03:54 PM | # Since Desmond has twice brought up my “know nothing American” remark let me clarify it. I’m not referring to the average American, who in my experience is quite sensible with isolationist tendencies. I’m referring to the particular type of American who has little first-hand knowledge of the outside world yet insists on telling foreigners what is good for them because they are ideologues of some kind and they think what applies to the US applies everywhere. In recent weeks this type of American has been sneering at the French student protestors for not accepting US-style capitalism. They also lectured the French on how liberal economics would solve their Muslim problem because, you see, all they and everyone else on earth really wants is prosperity and freedom! Their Catholic bishops insist on dictating theology to the Pope and their neocons and others have shouted down anyone sceptical of building democracy in Iraq. Hey, what’s good for America is good for the world, right? Those Americans who are attacking Nick Griffin for his focus on Islam are showing a similar American tendency to think everywhere is like the US and everyone should be just like them. Jewish influence may be great everywhere but it is not as great in most of Europe as it is in the US. For example much of the European media coverage of the Mideast is as biased in favour of the Palestinians as US media is in favour of Israel. As Griffin suggests if they don’t think Muslims are a problem let them visit the parts of England blessed with their presence. Or let them hang around train stations and nearby streets in Amsterdam, Antwerp, Brussels, Paris and numerous other cities for a few hours. Americans who want Europeans to form an alliance with Muslims in Europe are not friends of Europe. Those seriously suggesting you can get the white masses or even a noticeable minority on board by appealing exclusively to anti-Jewish sentiment must, as Griffin suggests, be socially isolated and out of touch with the real world. The average person doesn’t see Jews invading his town, committing crimes, demanding beheadings and engaging in acts of terrorism. Even in France Le Pen’s appeal is almost entirely due to anti-immigrant sentiment rather than his occasional remarks about Jews. (Le Pen seems sympathetic to the Likud Party). The Griffin strategy may not work but it has to be given a try. If you consider the presence of non-Westerners to be a problem (I’m not sure some of Griffin’s critics do) I don’t think there is a viable alternative at this time. If there is let’s hear it. 53
Posted by Steve Edwards on April 24, 2006, 05:10 PM | # Desmond is clearly here to foment trouble and generally wear down the blog. That’s why he gratuitously slags off various Euro ethnies, and it’s also why he can’t hold a consistent argument from thread to thread. Give it up, Desmond, we’re onto you. 54
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 24, 2006, 05:41 PM | # What is particularly amusing bout Desmond (and sad too I believe) is that he’s one of those who will sit on his arse and mope - mope about multiculturalism, mope about immigration. But when there’s a need to actually do anything, he won’t lift a finger. He will instead run down those who are actually trying to do something about the problem. People like him are principally the reason why we are in this mess in the first place. And if we won’t get out of this mess if we adopt Desmond’s attitude. 55
Posted by Phil Peterson on April 25, 2006, 05:11 AM | # Desmond’s demand for absolute racial purity is a non-starter because it is not even backed by our own history. The British Royal family itself isn’t wholly British, for example. If one followed Desmond’s logic, the Royal Family ought to be displaced from this country because they are foreigners. In the past, as Fred points out, there always were a smattering of people from other parts of Europe. That never threatened the survival of the English, the Scots, the Welsh and the Ulster Protestants as unique peoples. Next entry: Minutemen to build private fence Previous entry: Minutemen defeat ACLU |
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Posted by ad on April 21, 2006, 08:44 PM | #
Another new piece, claiming that the BNP are taking more voters away from the Conservatives than Labour. Also that the main issue for new BNP voters isn’t about ‘class’ or ‘social programs’(as the reds like to think), but simply that ‘Britain nowadays almost seems like a foreign country’:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=TVQHD5IFXY3C1QFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2006/04/21/npoll21.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/04/21/ixportaltop.html