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Maltese Incident
Posted by Søren Renner on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 at 07:09 PM in European Nationalism Comments:2
Posted by Selous Scouts on July 26, 2011, 07:49 PM | # Oh my…! The fashion sense of these chaps, apart from Mr Lowell, is quite dreadful. What would Kai have to say about this? 3
Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 26, 2011, 08:19 PM | # I too would prefer to see Anders in his frogman suit, but can you imagine how hot that would have been in a setting like this? And, the Freemason outfit would have been out of the question. 4
Posted by anon on July 26, 2011, 08:35 PM | # Actually, Jimmy, this photo was taken exactly :03 seconds before Android Bivouak stormed the wall behind Constantin and whacked him. 5
Posted by Leon Haller on July 27, 2011, 12:26 AM | # OK, I confess: I’m not always the brightest chap (though my loyalty is unswerving). Could someone explain in plain English what the point here is? What is the “incident”, and what the hell are all the comments about? 6
Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 27, 2011, 12:56 AM | # Leon, some have speculated that the man seated opposite Norman Lowell is Anders Breivik. Others believe it is Constantin von Hoffmeister. 7
Posted by Leon Haller on July 27, 2011, 02:00 AM | # Thanks, Jimmy. I’m chuckling. Clearly not Breivik. 8
Posted by Dasein on July 27, 2011, 06:12 AM | # Or a reborn Stauffenberg, with the briefcase this time on the other side of the table leg. 9
Posted by Søren Renner on July 27, 2011, 09:07 AM | #
NORMAN LOWELL 10
Posted by Selous Scout on July 27, 2011, 09:12 AM | # Are we sure the young man in the blue polo shirt and sunglasses is not Aleksey Vayner?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_Is_Nothing_(video_résumé) 11
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on July 27, 2011, 10:31 AM | # Norman Lowell (guy on the left) looks like he is from Tunisia or something (even his hands are brown), the guy on the right (James Cauchi) looks like he is from the Mesopotamian part of Turkey. Anyway, I am curious as to how a semitic-speaking Maltese [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebi_Arabic] came to carry a full Anglo-Germanic name? 12
Posted by anon on July 27, 2011, 11:42 AM | # Lay off the pastis, Norman. Race Traitor Whore, by that douche in the blue shirt. 13
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on July 27, 2011, 12:41 PM | #
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Constantin_von_Hoffmeister ‘Constantin von Hoffmeister He wants to promote a pan-European nationalism adn supports Israel’s right to national sovereignity.’ What he freak, but that explains why he is in Malta surrounded by these wogs. Pan-European nationalism is the antithesis of White preservation (south euros are basically westernized Orientals and most eastern euros have a substantial amounts of non-Aryan blood.) Pretending that everybody who is ‘european’ is the ‘same race’ and ‘equal’ is nonsense and only serve in fueling the miscegenational genocide of the Anglo/Nordic race. Has Constantin ever wondered why the spaniard Antonio Banderas played the role of an Arab in the movie ‘The 13th Warrior’ while the actors of Germanic blood played the White roles? Has he ever wondered why the spaniardess Penelope Cruz played the role of a Mexican together with the Mexican Salma Hayeck in the movie ‘Bandidas’? Has he ever wondered why the spanish singer Enrique Iglesias who is half-jewish and half-filipino in ancestry was never considered phenotypically atypical in Spain? Has he ever wondered why Italian roles can be played by jews and jewish roles can be played by Italians? Has he ever wondered why Javier Bardem was listed as non-white in the 2010 Oscar nomination? Also I googled his name and got a VNN result, on there he posts under the moniker of ‘edenlink’ and his location is listed as ‘Moscow, Russia’? 14
Posted by Graham_Lister on July 28, 2011, 05:32 PM | # If I may be vulgar the two guys nearest the camera (Mr. Sunglasses and the bald fat one) look like greasy untrustworthy wops to my eyes. Yes I know one of them is Norman Lowell and he appears to be half-buffoon, half-madman. Lowell once stated he wanted to remove blacks from Southern Africa and have it as Euro-colony. A very sensible policy, I don’t think! Personally I’d say Africa for the Africans and European for the Europeans thank you very much. And I don’t give a flying fuck for Israel’s well-being or otherwise. I detest Zionists, but at least I can understand why Jews might be committed to such an ideology, but why would any self-respecting European be a Zionist of any sort? And I do want the massive influence and double-standards of the ‘chosen people’ to be reduced and their moral/emotional blackmail/shakedown to be ignored. Unfortunately the ultra-liberalism afflicting European societies is pretty much an endogenous phenomenon, even if it is assiduously promoted by everyone’s ‘favourite’ minority. 15
Posted by Sebastian Ernst Ronin on July 29, 2011, 10:56 AM | # I have no idea who the plump guy on the right is. According to my eyeballs, from left to right: Lowell, Baldacchino and Hoffmeister. Was probably taken last December. Hoffmeister and Baldacchino had been exchanging FB comments re a vist around Xmas. 16
Posted by Hyuck on July 30, 2011, 09:45 AM | #
Banderas probably read ibn Fadlan’s description of the Rus and decided to play the Arab instead. 17
Posted by Roy Godenau on July 31, 2011, 02:51 AM | # Looks like you are doing some interesting work on a fishing vessel! Aloha! Roy 18
Posted by Bob on July 31, 2011, 03:40 AM | # We need ALL Europeans - North, West, South and East! EUROPE AWAKE! “We must fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists” -Norway terrorist Anders Breivik quoted in the Jerusalem Post. Arch Zionist Debbie Schlussel says the Norway massacre is pay back time ‘Karma’, for Norwegian Youth’s BOYCOTT ISRAEL CAMPAIGN! Zionists are the ENEMY! 19
Posted by sgt on July 31, 2011, 04:18 AM | # Constantin, love the shirt! Don’t listen to those pansies, they’ve got no style. 21
Posted by Gladiator on July 31, 2011, 07:11 AM | # Who cares for what they are wearing, how they look and their physical appearance? For good sake’s they are part of the “European awakening”.... Did it bother you to think that Napoleon Bonaparte being Corsican, stood in his way to greatness or what Alexander the Macedonian, did to the Hellenistic culture? Both stood barley over 5 feet tall! 22
Posted by Leon Haller on August 01, 2011, 04:09 PM | # The West is not just Aryan. It is ridiculous to say, without more, that a Nordic is superior to an Italian or a Frenchman or a Pole. Sweden and Denmark have advanced the West more than France and Italy? I’m a true Aryan, and I recognize that our numbers are very low. Should we go still lower? Lines need to be drawn with common sense. Let us hew to the old standard: If a man looks white, acts white, and fights white, he’s white. Enough. 24
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 05:38 PM | #
‘The West’ is not a race, ‘Africa’ is not a race and ‘Asia’ is not a race. In ‘Africa’, do North Africans Orientals go to Zimbabwe and claim that the Zimbabweans negroes should be embraced by all North Africans for they are their equals in race? In ‘Asia’, do Japanese Yayois go to the Philippines and claim that Philippino Melanesians should be embraced by all japanese for they are their equals in race? They don’t, North Africans Orientals view Zimbabwean negroes as slaves (they literally call them ‘abids’ which means slaves) and the Japanese Yayoi views the Philippinos as lesser just good enough to be maids, prostitutes and toilet cleaners. Now in the case of the continent known as ‘Europe’, only until recently North European Aryans viewed the South Euros Orientals/Mesopotamians as lesser to them in race, in technological advancements and in living standards, all in all they rightfully viewed them as the plebs they are only good enough to be personal servants, street cleaners and garbagemen. As a matter of fact in England, Australia and Scandinavia, the term ‘white’ still to this day exempt latins and South Slavs. Continent does not equal race nor does it define race and no matter the continent that it be Africa, Asia or Europe the pattern is clear, as such my conclusion ‘white nationalism’ = An ideological and racial war on Aryans whose premise is based on a lie. ‘white nationalists’ do not believe in the ‘human’ race, I go further than that and take a better approach, I do not believe in the ‘white’ race. Continental proximity is worthless, geographical similitudes are worthless, the truth is much deeper than that. There are different tribes and different races and the only people who will look up for your best interests will be the people of your own tribe and race and no one else.
Pretty much yeah.
..who chases after gook women like Anders Breivik’s stepfather, it’s clear that you have no standards. 25
Posted by Saxon on August 01, 2011, 05:45 PM | #
Northwestern Europe has contributed more than its fair share to Western civilization.
It’s not about being white. Some people actually care about ethnic preservation in addition to racial preservation. I, for one, don’t want the Swedes to lose their ethnic identity and be assimilated into a unified European racial state. 26
Posted by Dromedary on August 01, 2011, 05:54 PM | #
“Aryan” meaning, in your sentence, “guy that looks like my Scandinavian neighbors if they aren’t too dark themselves” but I personally prefer to define “Aryan” as “dude from Afghanistan” in which case “the West isn’t Aryan at all” and “Leon Haller looks like an illegal immigrant that sometimes sleeps in my back alley”. 27
Posted by moe on August 01, 2011, 06:29 PM | #
France and Italy have a combined population of 125 million. Sweden and Denmark have a combined population of 15 million. 28
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 06:35 PM | #
French anthropologists founders of Nordicism: Arthur de Gobineau (Nordicist) Georges Vacher de Lapouge (Nordicist)
Giuseppe Sergi (Anti-Aryan)
And here’s an Aryan from Germany: http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/6175954.jpg No difference, race is race no matter the country or continent, Aryan is Aryan and non-Aryan is non-Aryan. A wog from Greece is no less a wog in Sweden, an Aryan from Frisia is no less an Aryan in Egypt. 29
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 06:53 PM | # Must see, Typical Wop Behavior: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t802697/ Wops insulting Australia and England all the while… residing in Australia and England, how rich! Wogs = Anti-Aryan, Anti-Anglo/Nordic Ethnocentrism, Pro-Miscegenation, Pro-Immigration. 30
Posted by Dromedary on August 01, 2011, 07:08 PM | #
You don’t seem to understand that population genetics has left your kind of physical anthropology miles behind. A fjord nigger in Sweden is more related to a wog in Sweden than a fjord nigger in Portugal. Perhaps you’re just trying to discredit the WN effort. Shame on you!
Quacks but admittedly de Gobineau left de Lapouge in the dust, in the quackery department. What was he again? Descendant of the Gods themselves? He did sound like some of the worse cases of WN nuttery.
The reason why Italy is far ahead in the “department of contributions” (think of it as something out of a Monty Python sketch) is quite obviously its higher IQ with regards to Denmark (per V. Buj, 1981, Average IQ values in various European countries). The difference between Sweden and Italy in IQ is too small so the much great Italian population throughout the ages helps Italy trump Sweden as well so I’ll concede that. I’m not sure why the French are so damn good though, they’re pretty low IQ compared to all groups mentioned. Ha ha ha. 31
Posted by Graham_Lister on August 01, 2011, 07:11 PM | # I was being slightly tongue in cheek in my comments about ‘wops’. Italy and Spain etc., are of course European nations. 32
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 07:24 PM | #
- Algeria and Tunisia are African nations, just like Congo and Zambia who are also African nations. What does Japan and Korea have in common with Cambodia and Burma? What does Algeria and Tunisia have in common with Congo and Zambia? I’ll tell you what, absolutely nothing.
What does Sweden and Norway have in common with Italy and Greece? I’ll tell you what, absolutely nothing. 33
Posted by Foundation on August 01, 2011, 08:21 PM | # If you’ve been on [NATO] multinational operations or exercises, as I have, you soon find out where the ancient blood lines lay. English and German = mutual respect English and Dane = drunkeness English and Norwegian = old friends English and Dutch = what the fuck happened to you? English and French = not talking English and Italian = very long lunch breaks English and Spanish = weather permitting English and Portuguese = chaos 34
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 08:29 PM | #
Italy is ‘ahead’? That’s news to me, so where’s the Italian space program for example? Last I heard, filthy Italians were making their mozzrela from unused spoiled milk were they ‘set up shops’ inside and around landfills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCaWRfFwsmc So great that the EU threatened to ban Italian mozzrela, now that’s ‘ahead’. As for national average IQ, immigrants are not interested in settling in South Europe, rather they use south europe as a mere gateway to Western Europe and Northern Europe. Before the big waves of immigration Denmark average IQ was 108, after the big waves of immigrations Denmark average IQ lost 10 points, lowering it to 98. Nyborg predict that by 2050, Denmark would have lost 21 points on it’s national average IQ. 35
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 08:43 PM | # I also read that Japan and South Korea completely forbid the importation of Italian mozzarella, good for them. 36
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 01, 2011, 08:49 PM | # Filthy wops:
Dioxin, which is an extremely potent carcinogen, hit the headlines a few years back following the alleged poisoning of Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko. Needless to say, this is not the kind of chemical you want on your dinner plate! Last month, Chinese-made dumplings containing pesticides sickened 175 Japanese, which launched the issue of food safety and security into the public spotlight. Culturally, the Japanese are incessant gourmands, so issues concerning food contamination are not taken lightly here in the Land of the Rising Sun. So, following a rash of food poisonings in neighboring South Korea, the Japanese government was quick to act. Each year, Italy produces 33,000 tons of mozzarella, and exports 16 percent of that (or approximately 329 tons) to Japan. So, given that there are batches of killer cheese floating around South Korea, which imports a mere 10 tons of the gooey product, the Japanese public is applauding the government’s foresight. Of course, the Italian government is less than happy as of recent. Paolo Minster De Castro, Italy’s agriculture minister, is in talks with Japanese, South Korean and European Union officials on the issue. At an emergency summit in Rome, the Italian health ministry admitted that traces of carcinogenic dioxins had been discovered at some farms in Campania. Health officials previously stated that herds of water buffalo, whose milk is used to make the cheese, could be ingesting poisons from illegally dumped rubbish. Dioxins are usually released when plastic is burnt, though they can also seep into groundwater from decomposing rubbish. However, the Italian government is fiercely denying that the dioxin in the buffalo mozzarella comes from improperly disposed garbage. In fact, the Italian health ministry even went as far as to reassure the public that the problems were “limited and contained.” 37
Posted by Dromedary on August 01, 2011, 09:11 PM | #
Cool story, bro, but you’re so dishonest that you won’t even read, or at least accurately reproduce, what you link to. As one can see from the study mentioned in the blog you linked to (let’s accept the study’s conclusions), foreign immigration lowered Danish IQ from 1979 to 1981 by around 0.04 points, or 0.9 for 1979-2010 (what’s far more interesting is that the ethnic Dane population dropped from the very high 90s in 1979 to less than 90% of the total population of Denmark in 2010) and the big “10 point drop” was due to past “dysgenic trends” in the ethnic Danish population with no influence from “filthy subhumans” (so Italy still had a higher IQ than no-foreigner Denmark since that’s what really bothers you). 38
Posted by Leon Haller on August 02, 2011, 05:03 AM | # Those criticizing me are playing into our enemies’ hands. I have never said that the Nordic element within the West did not contribute more to European civilization than the less Nordic elements. That probably is the case (just look at Northern v Southern Italy). Being as well as looking predominantly Germanic, I have no personal ‘beef’ with Nordicism. My point was pragmatic, and on two levels. First, as our numbers are small and dwindling, we cannot afford to be over-choosy in whom we allow into our “fight club”. If a man considers himself white, identifies with whites, and wants to aid white EGI, should we ostracize him or insult him because he’s not Nordic? I personally know persons of Southern Italian, Spanish, Greek, and yes, even Jewish, heritage who are all very far right, anti-‘diversity’ nationalists. A case could be made for maintaining barriers viz rightist Jews (though I’m not sure I would agree with it), but it would be rank stupidity to exclude the others from our cause. And in the US, and probably the rest of the Anglosphere outside of Britain, that cause is RACIAL nationalism, not ethnonationalism. Second, even the Nordic elements within the Southern or Eastern European ethnys, who according to Nordicists deserve the lion’s share of credit for whatever civilizational accomplishments their ethnys have made, undoubtedly feel personally closer to their ethnonational kinsmen, regardless of any relative differences in respective Nordic/non-Nordic genetic breakdown, than they do towards Nordics of other ethnocultures. A predominantly racially Nordic Frenchman probably (psychologically) is more attached to a non-Nordic fellow Frenchman than to a fellow Nordic from Germany or Britain. Race trumps culture, as long as the races in question are visibly distinct. But I believe culture and nationality trump race when the races are not visibly distinct (or not excessively so, as are whites and Asians or blacks). Thus, I suspect Nordicists alienate not only non-Nordic Europeans from any broader European or white nationalism, but also those Nordics who hail from heavily non-Nordic European countries. On another issue, it may well be that the Nordic elements of France and Italy disproportionately contributed to the great accomplishments and cultures of those nations. But to suggest that France is greater than Denmark due only to its larger population is ludicrous. France has given Western culture relatively far more than Scandinavia. I have long had an interest in intellectual and cultural history, and the French honor roll in those areas is vastly, disproportionately greater than Scandinavia’s. Lastly, this statement What does [sic] Sweden and Norway have in common with Italy and Greece? I’ll tell you what, absolutely nothing. (AWA) is just appallingly ignorant. They all have the whole heritage of classical and Christian civilization in common. 39
Posted by Desmond Jones on August 02, 2011, 06:33 AM | # What exactly is the benefit to Nordicists in joining a cause of racial nationalism? It only portends extinction of the Nordish type. Extinction is extinction; it matters not if it is racial nationalism or multi-racial nationalism. On a per capita basis the Scandinavian countries produced the largest number of Nobel laureates. In Murray’s book, it is the Germanic tribal groups that dominate his categories of human accomplishments. It is N. Italy, NW Germany, N. France, SE England, SE Scotland and New England, in the US, that dominate his analysis. Including the Scandinavian countries, Germanic tribal people, (Nordish type) account for 90% of the human accomplishments outlined in Murray’s treatise.
Indeed, it is such miscegenation that destroyed the Frankish aristocracy in France. It is also the same belief system, as Stoddard outlined, that destroyed potential Nordish and thus white unity in Europe prior to WWI. 40
Posted by Graham_Lister on August 02, 2011, 07:00 AM | # Not this silly ‘pissing contest’ nonsense again??? So was Aristotle from just south of Malmo? Silly me I thought David Hume, Adam Smith and James Clerk Maxwell were all Scots rather than from Trondheim. Look I very much personally like Scandinavia and its native people but lets just be sensible about the topic at hand. How anyone could, for example, visit Florence at not feel they are in Europe, in the fullest sense of that term, is beyond me. 41
Posted by Saxon on August 02, 2011, 07:03 AM | #
In Australia and New Zealand the cause should be Anglo-Celtic nationalism because they make up the vast majority of the white population. There can be an Anglo/Northern European ethnic identification for American whites as well, though that doesn’t mean that you have to exclude whites of Southern or Eastern European descent or make them feel unwelcome (you don’t have to do that in Australia or New Zealand either). Ultimately, for white Americans I think that implementing certain eugenic measures would be preferable to excluding Italian Americans or Polish Americans. If we can select for IQ (which is in decline) why can’t we also implement eugenic measures that benefit the founding stock and reverse the decline of racially valuable and recessive traits like blue eyes or blond hair? Every mostly Northern European nation could benefit from such eugenic measures. Even Sweden.
I don’t want to get into a debate with you on this. But this statement is ridiculous. Of course one of the two primary reasons France has contributed more to Western Civilization than a country like Norway is because of its vastly larger population. That’s just common sense. Likewise you would never expect tiny Malta to contribute more than Italy. The other primary reason France contributed more is environment and geographic location. Norway was isolated in the cold and harsh north while France had a much more beneficial location. But I care immensely more about biology than culture anyway. If Norwegians had somehow contributed more to Western Civilization than the French it wouldn’t make me care about them any more than I do now. 42
Posted by Dasein on August 02, 2011, 09:38 AM | #
I’m looking at page 298 of the 2003 paperback edition of Human Accomplishment, and NW Germany does not look over-represented. If anything, the over-representation is in the south. Perhaps you are looking at another map? Holland is certainly over-represented, which is not surprising, since the concentration of gifted individuals was important. If London was in Cornwall, SW England would be dominant. 43
Posted by Dasein on August 02, 2011, 09:44 AM | #
Yes, because we know that the Nordic genome resists independent assortment 44
Posted by Dasein on August 02, 2011, 09:54 AM | #
I also don’t see any over-representation in SE Scotland. It’s basically the entire south, i.e. the Lowlands. 45
Posted by Dromedary on August 02, 2011, 10:15 AM | #
There’s no such thing as a “Nordish type”. That was a creation of McCullough’s to make the anthropologically non-“Nordic” northern European WNs feel better about being WN (“oh we are part of the master race too”).
Neither being “Germanic tribal people” or “Nordish” since that term means nothing, even less than traditional terms of physical anthropology. Not to get into Murray’s methodology or anything important like since if it uplifts the nordic man, it must be fine (well, no worries, it’s the Muslims who got the rawest deal and who likes those guys).
You forgot Central Italy which—in Murray terms since we like the man—trumps both for some reason (though Sicily somehow produced a mathematician and physicist that would take Europe some 1500 ensuing years to match). It must be the higher IQ or the percentage of nordics surely and none of that social/political/cultural/historical bullshit non-aryan historians peddle. 46
Posted by Dasein on August 02, 2011, 10:19 AM | #
There are no Nordics from heavily non-Nordic European countries. If a blond, blue-eyed, dolicocephalic Albanian is Nordic, then the term has little biological meaning. All of this begs the question of what Nordic means. 47
Posted by Desmond Jones on August 03, 2011, 03:51 AM | #
If Edinburgh (22 significant figures per million versus Glasgow’s 6 per million [p. 356]) were Glasgow then SW Scotland would dominate; but it’s not. In addition, London, as a source of significant figures differs little from its surround. The western border of Murray’s “European Core” is the western border of Dorset county (p. 297) which excludes Cornwall.
Not according to Murray. The greatest concentration of significant figures from Italy originate in N. Italy.
Even a madman understands what Nordic means and why separation is required for survival. http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/07/anders-breivik-as-a-nordicist/ 48
Posted by Dasein on August 03, 2011, 05:41 AM | # I don’t discount that population structure within the Lowlands could explain some of the difference, but other factors, like relative strengths of the universities (to the extent they are independent of the local populations) are also important.
Here’s his proposal for a Nordic League:
Do you think Czech and Switzerland are Nordic, to a large degree? A Nordic race is at least as arbitrary as a White race. Does it have obvious geographic boundaries? I think it’s fair to say that Europe was partly colonised by peoples who we would categorise as Nordic. But even within those groups there was variation. I doubt that every member of these groups was blond, blue-eyed, and dolicocephalic. Note, I don’t deny that there are differences between northern and southern populations, and that it is legitimate to consider whether they are significant enough to warrant separation. The quasi-religious belief common in WN that all Europeans are absolutely the same and interchangeable is wrongheaded. The moronic views on race of some Nordicists (like AWA’s modern Nordic Egyptians and Afghans) are also problematic. 49
Posted by Leon Haller on August 03, 2011, 06:23 AM | # There are no Nordics from heavily non-Nordic European countries. If a blond, blue-eyed, dolicocephalic Albanian is Nordic, then the term has little biological meaning. (dasein) We must not mean the same thing. There are plenty of Nordics in/from Italy. My friend’s late (and very successful) immigrant grandfather was one. Rectangular head, fair skin, blue eyes (hair was white; not sure of original color) - what more do you want? The man was from the far north of Italy, within easy bicycling distance of Switzerland, but he strongly identified as Italian (and “white”, though certainly not as “Aryan”, let alone “Nordic”). I’m speaking in common sense terms, differentiating an Italian who looked like any German-American, from, say, my Neapolitan friend, or a 100% Sicilian-American ex-girlfriend, both of whom are swarthier, yet also consider themselves “white” (and they behave white, so that’s enough for me). All of this begs the question of what Nordic means.(desein) Precisely, though I also wonder about the purpose of the differentiating exercise. 50
Posted by Dasein on August 03, 2011, 06:54 AM | #
Leon, He may have inherited some of the genes associated with Nordic ancestral populations, but he is more similar (in a genetic and overall phenotypic sense) to his brachycephalic, brown-eyed, brunet neighbours than he is to Scandinavians. 51
Posted by Saxon on August 03, 2011, 07:48 AM | # Yeah, I don’t think that the term “Nordic” has a whole lot of biological meaning unless you are just using it to describe closely related northwestern European populations. For me it’s more about ethnic preservation than trying to define some vague and arbitrary “Nordic” race. But that doesn’t mean that eugenics couldn’t be used to preserve traits that are traditionally considered “Nordic” (as well as other desirable traits). But I know that many people will never care about that. All you have to do is look at this thread to see that. 52
Posted by Dasein on August 03, 2011, 09:16 AM | # Within Europe, I think ethnic nationalism should be sufficient to preserve Nordic traits. Within the Anglo diaspora, the question is what effect the absorption of those southern and eastern Europeans who wish to be part of a white nation will have. Would it be significant? This is a matter of opinion (and numbers). Obviously, it does not maximally preserve the genetic interests (and phenotypic profile) of the NW European core, but would there be much support for excluding them? Pan-European nationalism with freedom of association might find more support. 53
Posted by Dromedary on August 03, 2011, 12:53 PM | #
Nah, “according to Murray”, central Italian Tuscany beats all other regions in Italy by far.
It means very little, especially in the way WNs use it (they don’t perform craniometric analysis by sight, right?) and especially in the era of population genetics. Anders was no “madman” either (unless his psychiatric evaluation has been made public and you’re quoting it), he was the concentrate of various -ism strains and decided to act on their behalf in a way he thought appropriate. 54
Posted by Homer on August 03, 2011, 02:08 PM | # Tuscany is north of Rome, which is what people generally mean by Northern Italy regardless of official political designations. 55
Posted by Dromedary on August 03, 2011, 03:17 PM | #
Yes, both as arbitrary. So Central Italy doesn’t exist (or maybe it does but south of Rome somewhere) but only South and North and in whichever way we prefer to slice it. No matter, the point is that neither the extreme north nor the extreme south dominate but rather the “centre” (not that there’s much to read into that “racially” but the whole thread started with Haller’s original statement and my comment). 56
Posted by Desmond Jones on August 04, 2011, 03:43 AM | #
It’s an amusing position. When it comes to the Jews, it’s all about population. Murray waxes eloquently about their elevated IQ being a driver of their success/over representation vis-a-vis human accomplishment. However, when the topic is European populations, it can’t even be considered that a particular demographic group might have a high mean IQ, not significantly different to the Jews and that those pockets of significant individuals might have had a genetic commonality. No, no it can’t be that! It must be the universities. And why would anyone ever wish to preserve the EGI of that particular group? They only account for at least 80% of all of human accomplishment as measured by Murray. Why would it be significant? Considering that the average Greek is genetically more distant from the average N. European than the average Non-European Caucasian is distant from the average European Caucasian, then why is absorption, numbers permitting, significant at all? 57
Posted by Dasein on August 04, 2011, 05:02 AM | # Desmond, The speculation about universities being important for the difference is mine; I don’t think that Murray discusses it for these cities, though he does suggest that ‘elite cities’ were important for concentrating human capital. You’re right that, as far as I can recall, he does not consider the effect of population structure within Europe as a factor in differences in accomplishment. However, I don’t think the case for population structure in the Lowlands being very significant for the differences between Glasgow and Edinburgh is strong. I doubt the high-IQ Scots in this study (figure) were Anglo-Saxons concentrated in the Southeast. BTW, which group are you saying is responsible for 80% of human accomplishment? Are you saying that the Scots from the SE are part of it, but not Scots from the SW? And do you consider the Italians and the Germans from the biggest contiguous block on page 298 to be part of this group?
That’s because he drew a polygon. Compare that figure with the one on page 298. 58
Posted by Dasein on August 04, 2011, 05:40 AM | # It’s somewhat ironic that the political ideas (regionalist) of the ‘wop in sunglasses’, whose appearance got this discussion started, are actually most conducive to preserving Europe’s existing population structure (based on what I know of his ideas from his interviews with Soren). Hoffmeister, on the other hand, wants to mix everyone. 59
Posted by Truth be told on August 05, 2011, 06:03 PM | # “Anti-WOG Alliance” is the most recent moniker of the ‘artist’ formerly known as “Rassenhygeniker”—a Scotty Roman-Catholic weirdo who pretends and wishes he was a German. Careful of this guy, since he was banned from many racialist sites and forums for his extreme mental and emotional instability. 60
Posted by Guessedworker on August 05, 2011, 07:44 PM | # He has been warned to moderate his invective. But thank you for the information. 61
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 17, 2011, 07:05 AM | #
After posting under “Anti-WOG Allianz” pretending to be me, now you come up with something else. But you are wrong on both claims, for one Christ-Isanity is a typical monotheist sand-dweller cult like Islam, Judaism and Buddhism (Buddhism originated in India http://www.asbestosdiseaseawareness.org/wp-content/uploads/bihar_1.jpg). Aryans are Pagans, the G-d cult is only for the sandpeople. Hitler on christ-instanity: Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease. 62
Posted by Anti-WOG Alliance on August 17, 2011, 07:24 AM | #
What invective? Last I remember the one you warned was the clown posting under the moniker “Anti-WOG Allianz”, not me. 63
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Posted by Jimmy Marr on July 26, 2011, 07:43 PM | #
Wow. I didn’t know Freemasonry even existed in Malta.