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More on the Indian beauty questionBelow is a model highlighted from a recent Indian fashion show. I must say it does strike me how masculine she looks—with the strong jaw etc. Indian women ARE in fact rather masculine in some ways. They tend to be quite dominant and Indian men live in some fear of them. An amazingly high proportion of the world’s female political leaders have come from the subcontinent.
Posted by jonjayray on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 at 04:28 AM in Genetics & Human Bio-Diversity Comments:2
Posted by John Ray on March 29, 2006, 07:58 AM | # I just don’t believe that the surveys are accurately measuring g in India I think scores there are depressed by the rural effect I know it’s impressionistic but from my experience I would say that the street dwellers of Bombay are every bit as bright as our workers. They have to be to survive. Being born Indian has a strong eugenic effect in my view. 3
Posted by Daveg on March 29, 2006, 12:35 PM | # I would say she is better than a lot of the other Indian models I have seen. She does have a strong jaw line, but lips, cheeks and eyes are very nice. 4
Posted by Phil Peterson on March 29, 2006, 04:18 PM | # Indian women ARE in fact rather masculine in some ways. They tend to be quite dominant and Indian men live in some fear of them. LOL!! Did you get this from your tenants John? 5
Posted by Phil Peterson on March 29, 2006, 05:01 PM | # I know it’s impressionistic but from my experience I would say that the street dwellers of Bombay are every bit as bright as our workers. They have to be to survive. Being born Indian has a strong eugenic effect in my view. If they are so bright, why is the country such a dump? 6
Posted by jonjayray on March 29, 2006, 09:17 PM | # “If they are so bright, why is the country such a dump? “ Socialism —just like Russia 7
Posted by Lurker on March 29, 2006, 11:21 PM | # This new picture - much nicer than that geezerbird in the last one. 8
Posted by Phil Peterson on March 30, 2006, 03:07 PM | # Socialism —just like Russia Ok, are you basically saying that with a market economy, India will have per capita standards of living that match Western Europe or the US (in a few decades)? 9
Posted by bohemian on March 30, 2006, 11:28 PM | #
I could say the same about many parts of Africa. I have a pretty low opinion of Indians overall. But I guess its important to keep in mind that there are many endogamous communities in India. And there may be some groups with an exceptionally high average intelligence. In Belgium group of Indian traders from a town in western india who have now completely outcompeted the Hasidic Jews in the diamond trade in Antwerp and this Indian caste now controls more than 80% of the trade. Anyone familiar the Jewish domination of the trade since the middle ages knows that this was no easy task. But at the same time it is important to note that this caste is in the minority and not representative of indians as a whole. 11
Posted by Malcolm A on April 06, 2006, 12:11 PM | # There is NO BEAUTY LIKE AN INDAN BEAUTY ! Indians are pretty advanced in the beauty department. 7 Miss Universe/World winners and 12 runners up ( semi finalists and finalists) If you want to post a soft jaw line check out women like Aishwarya Rai, Preity Zinta , Udita Goswami eyc.. 12
Posted by Guessedworker on April 06, 2006, 03:38 PM | # Malcom A, Take some time to read these two posts by J Richards, which deal extensively with this issue:- 1. Racial variation in some parts of the skull involved in chewing. 13
Posted by Malcolm A on April 08, 2006, 01:07 PM | # Hi Guessedworker 1. Racial variation in some parts of the skull involved in chewing. 2. The facial proportions of beautiful people. I am a Biologist and happen to know something about facial strucutures and skull bones etc.. Recently, women from all races of the world were surveyed to determine the most preferred facial features [chin, mouth, nose eyes, cheeks ears, etc] and a computer simulated model of a female face based on these features was created as the ’ global face of beauty’ and the face closest to this model feminine face was that of Saira Mohan’s, a Canadian model, of Indian and Irish/French descent. I am talking about the top beauties of each country and not the average populations of these countries. I know that Many Indians are mixed with other races but there is a substantial propotion of high class Hindus who over 90% unmixed. The Genetic diversity caused by immigrations from the Caucasus, Turkey, Iran, Arabia, Syria, Israel etc combined witht the large population [1 billion +] , result in all sorts of genetic combinations creating great beauties. 14
Posted by Guessedworker on April 08, 2006, 05:40 PM | # Malcolm, Thanks for reverting. I am not a scientist possessed of specialist knowledge. I am absolutely no one of significance, just a man - and one whose opinions at every level are against the zeitgeist, against the received wisdom, against the crowd. I am, then, an odd sort of revolutionary. I do not automatically believe. On the contrary, I suspect that something is wrong. Just so with Marquand and LeRoi and with surveys of global opinion of beauty or anything else. Backtrack fifty years. Who did we think were the “global” beauties? They were Hollywood’s glamour stars ... Jane Russell and Monroe, Ava Gardner perhaps. Grace Kelly was a classic beauty, but not many others. Why? Because that was what we were given. The boundaries were set and we stayed within them. Fast forward ten years. Different images, different style ... Dunaway, Deneuve. But the fact of difference only demonstrates the instability of the decision process. Move on forty years to today and what do you find? We are supping an MTV soup of globalised, miscegenatory images. Brown, brown, brown. Look in women’s magazines ... on the catwalks ... on the movie screen. Halle Berry is hot? Madonna is blond? You seem to think we know our own minds. You seem to think we base our opinions and tastes on our own natures. Would that we did. But we don’t. We don’t know why we think what we think. Asked a simple question - pick A or B - we can’t form an absolute judgement, good for all time. We can only extemporise, approximate ... based on data received subtly and otherwise from sources unseen. Our minds are not free, as you seem to think they are. Walter Benjamin, I think it was, who philosophised the deculturation of the West through the broadcast or printed image and word. May he rot in hell, but he wasn’t wrong. OK, so what solid ground is there? Only our own physical being. By Nature we select among ourselves. The rest of what imnpresses you so much - our learned opinions - is fundamentally unstable. As I said to you elsewhere, more or less: freedom comes with standing against the tide. You’re not on your feet yet. 15
Posted by Malcolm A on April 10, 2006, 10:23 AM | # Hi Guessedworker I agree with most of what you have said here. But as we are on the question of beauty, I was only offering my personal opinion on the subject. The fact that I have some training as a Scientist was mentioned here, only because of the Biological nature and basis of the topic. It is true that the search for excellence in beauty is a very elusive task that contains a highly personal aspect to it, but fortunately or unfortunately , we have only the results of beauty contests as a criterion to go by. WHY ? Because, as you say, if individual opinion is sampled there would be no resolution. So a panel decides on the basis of what they have in front of them. It is not accurate that 50 years ago we selected nordic beauties as winners while the present trend veers towards brown or non-nordic. As recently as 2003 (?) a very Nordic Miss Australia won Miss Universe. 16
Posted by Guessedworker on April 10, 2006, 02:52 PM | # Malcolm, Public discourse is private property ... but somebody elses, not ours. Take your leave of conventionality. Look away to the recondite corners of the individual imagination. Listen to the rebel voice, and judge that against what you thought you knew. 17
Posted by Malcolm A on April 10, 2006, 05:01 PM | # Hi GW Malcolm, Although I am not at sure as to what that means, will do…
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Posted by Born in Fiji on November 19, 2006, 06:06 AM | # hi, I think beauty as explained in Daoism says that because there is beauty there is ugliness. Because there is lightness there is darkness. That is the ‘Dao’ understanding of things. You see deep and meaningfull philosophies sprang up from the east. Unlike the west which spawns materialism and lust. Yes blonde nordic women are lustfully beatifull in the carnal sense. That is only your lower desire of living(known as kama in Sanskrit). Just chill man. 20
Posted by Pooja on November 24, 2006, 03:16 AM | # I’ve been seeing a constant racially-biased vibe in the majority of all your entries. In “The evolution of blond hair and blue eyes among Nordics”, your words may have been funny to you when you talked about Indian women, especially Aishwarya Rai, not being attractive compared to Nordic beauties, but they were incredibly offensive. I know this is your blog and you have the right to post what you want, but do you have any idea how ignorant you sound on here? Do you have any idea how incredibly DISGUSTING you sound? I don’t what the fuck your problem is, but fix it goddamnit. If you can’t say anything nice about a culture and their vision of beauty, don’t say anything at all and keep your mouth shut. So you find Nordic beauties more attractive? Good for you. Keep in mind that the majority of all the Miss World’s have been Indian. Keep in mind that the cream of the crop in society, money-wise, are Indian. Keep in mind that some of the most intelligent people in the world are Indian. Oh, and before I forget the bastard who said how India’s in a dump, let me tell you something asshole: it’s because of fucking white bastards like the imperialistic Europeans that the Asian countries that are suffering right now can’t bring themselves up. Besides, have you ever been to India? There’s poverty in every country mate. There’s ugliness and beauty everywhere, not just a specific continent. I dunno why, but JRichards, why the hell do you always have to talk about Indian women? Do you have something against them or do you just pride yourself on butchering this particular race? Everyone has their own version of beauty. Beauty isn’t necessarily white skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. Look at pre-Civil War America - you call that society beautiful? You think a bunch of biased uptight fair gits are attractive? They may be attractive but they have the ugliest hearts I’ve ever seen. Anyone who has the cruelty, even how subtle it is, to say how one culture is better than another or how some women aren’t as pretty as others or how Indian women are more masculine or whatnot has the ugliest heart, mind and soul I’ve ever seen. Tell me mate…do you think you’re attractive? Do you think you’re gorgeous? Is that why you like butchering Indian women? I know what you might say to this comment: “Well didn’t you say this is my blog and I can say whatever I want? Then who are you to say anything?!” Seriously…..watch what you say. It’s because of racist and prejudiced work such as yours that only makes society more bitter, more cruel and more biased. Don’t do this. Please, stop doing this. You probably have no idea how much you’ve offended me. I’m Indian alright? I look up to Indian models and actresses not just because of their beauty (something that you might credit to just makeup) but of all the hard work they’ve done to become what they are. Oh, and you can say they slept their way to the top. You know what? Nordic women do it too. And not just to get to the top. I’m digusted with you. So incredibly disgusted. Leave the idea of beauty alone. It’s something very personal and intimate, like religion. No one gave you the effing right to go around and tell people what to believe and not believe and what to think is beautiful and isn’t. While you think Indian women are masculine, I’m not ashamed to point out that the majority of the world finds your Nordic beauties nothing better than whores. 21
Posted by J Richards on November 24, 2006, 04:54 AM | # Pooja, Why are you blasting me in this entry, which I have not posted and have not commented in until now? I am pleased that you left a bunch of pictures in the entry of mine which you despise since these pictures make my case stronger. I closed it temporarily because I need some time to respond and don’t want to see it degrade to a “who has the ugliest women” contest. Rest assured, I will respond in detail to your pictures at a later date. If you leave your email, I will let you know when I have responded to your pictures and other issues. Your country is a dump because of its low average IQ, not because of imperialism. There are numerous examples of high IQ populations repeatedly suffering devastation and rebounding. The Japanese built a First World nation quickly after the World War II devastation. The Germans lost their infrastructure and a third of their population during the 30 years war, were devastated by the Versailles treaty, lost millions of people in the World Wars and ended up paying hundreds of billions of dollars in reparations to Jews, yet Germany today is the economic engine of Europe. Regarding pre-civil-war America, it was a great society, better than many other societies of its time, except for the slavery part. However, black slavery was a Southern phenomenon, and only some southern whites owned slaves. No need for you to denigrate the entire U.S. then. Besides, white and blacks were segregated back then, there were no race relation problems, and the blacks were a lot better off than they would be in Africa. The problems actually started around the Civil war and later. After the Southerners were defeated, they were disenfranchised and the Northerners sought to put blacks into government positions. You can imagine the reaction of the disenfranchised whites. It should not at all be surprising that this led to the formation of the KKK and other segregation measures adopted by southern whites. I have talked about Indian women in only one entry of mine. I previously addressed East Asian women and will come up with a more detailed post on East Asian women later. Besides, why do you think that “the majority of the world finds your Nordic beauties nothing better than whores”? You are talking about low IQ non-white ignoramuses who admire Nordic beauty and have sought to observe it in nude photographs and pornographic videos and made the absurd inference. Reality is quite different. Venereal disease and HIV infection prevalence, a yardstick of whorish/promiscuous behaviors in the population, is very low in the Nordic countries, and of those infected, the infected are disproportionately men who have sex with men, immigrant blacks, intravenous drug users and the [rare] deranged whites who have sex with blacks. HIV/AIDS is a much more massive problem for India than it is for Nordic nations. 22
Posted by Look at my blog on March 23, 2007, 10:04 PM | # Hi there If you want to apply the arguments of evolution or sexual selection to the notion of beauty, the question you should be asking is “Why is it that I find white women very attractive ?” and not “Why are white women attractive ?” You have to look inside your own genetic evolution which gets manifested in your behaviour. Anyways, I am probably wasting my time talking to pricks like you. 23
Posted by Julia Rodriquez on May 30, 2007, 03:47 AM | # Is it my imagination or is a scientist supposed to provide impartial evidence of a subjects/subjects for the general public’s eduaction Instead, I clicked on to this ‘scientific’ article to find something worse than racist white men with a strong, and increasingly useless sense of self worth. I found (some) intelligent educated people who instead of conducting a forum were venting their racist hate. India has had an enourmously tough time in the past, first trying to get rid of imperialistic Britain and their harsh rule, then rebuilding themselves after their rifts with their former brother, Pakistan. Perhaps as scientists you should READ about this before you profess an opinion. Next time you pose this article under the guise of ‘science’ I suggest you go rub your two IQ points together and see if you can start to invent the fire because you’ve got a lot of catching up to do before you reach the standards of India. I am an Australian married to a spanish man with an adopted Indian daughter and son. All I can say is that I am VERY glad I am so far from Europe and their internationally infamous race-hate issues. Perhaps you should take a leaf out of America’s book and at least try and help these people integrate and feel safe. Perhaps then they would not segregate and this article would not have been published to such a harsh reaction. I feel very sorry for you all because you are going to be left behind in the coming years following India and China’s lead You are going to have to get used to seeing Indian women because they’ll be all over your movie and TV screens. All of you, grow up! 24
Posted by Guessedworker on May 30, 2007, 04:49 AM | # Julia: imperialistic Britain and their harsh rule The Raj lasted a very, very long time and was not maintained through “harshness” but by the cooption of the ruling elite. In many places you would never have known the British were there at all. There were huge benefits to India, not least in the bequeathing of the world’s largest democracy. To be convinced of such a tawdry “oppression trope” is to demonstrate not only remarkably ignorance but a mechanistic capacity to soak up up leftist propaganda. I am sorry that you did not see fit in your own life to preserve your own people. I am sorry, too, that you think their preservation is “racist”, and again commend you to free yourself from Marxist propaganda. I suggest you study the long-term demographic of Europe and America and ask yourself whether it is “moral” to die. 25
Posted by Peter on June 02, 2007, 01:38 AM | # How many “Western” don’t look Masculine? Agreed she looks Masculine. Here is a thought for Indian Beauty (not the only one!) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/bloodylamer/bastardly-photos/0505/album20/aishwariya-rai-05220607.jpg 27
Posted by Al Ross on June 02, 2007, 02:44 AM | # Julia Rodriquez, your wishful thinking type of anti-White revenge fantasy which you reveal by positing that Europe will follow India and China’s lead is just that - a fantasy. India’s low average IQ (81) and quaint legal system (no kissing in the street allowed - just defecating in them) will help ensure India doesnt achieve anything like European standards. As for China, the gloomy prospects are outlined in this article about demographic decline : 28
Posted by Anastasia Beaverhausen on July 17, 2007, 08:01 PM | # If this thin-eyebrowed, almond-eyed, high-cheekboned, aqualine-nosed, soft-skinned and cherub-lipped woman looks masculine to you, I would love to hear what you have to say about women like Margaret Thatcher, or Barbara Bush. Even Glenn Close (who I adore). Yikes, they must tip the gender bending scales way over. You have an interesting take on masculinity, my dear…what’s feminine to you: weak jaws and crappy skin? Maybe fat cheeks and thin lips. Just throwing it out there… 29
Posted by Peter on August 12, 2007, 04:09 PM | # Hey Fred Scooby! About Ash’s movie with Will Smith i have no clue…I don’t have any problem with her working with Will Smith. *By any chance do you know where JR is?* 30
Posted by Riya on September 27, 2007, 01:53 PM | # Hmm interesting. I was just wondering but are you aware that 99% of the models used for any runway show tend to have more masculine features? If you look at European and even American fashion shows, those women exhibit a lot of the same masculine facial features that the woman above does: angular jawline, large nose, more prominent forehead, etc. So no…I do not believe Indian women are more masculine. I’m Indian but my face is oval, I have a “normal” shaped nose—it isn’t small but it isn’t huge—my jawline is curved and my cheekbones are low and round. I know a lot of other women with similar features across all races. So by saying Indian women are masculine, you haven’t really made a scientific point except making yourself get hate mail. I too found your “evolution of blonde hair and blue eyes among Nordics” article rather offensive as well, but I won’t blast you the way Pooja did. I find it a little disturbing that you would single out Indian women that way—why do YOU care if a white man finds Preity Zinta or Aishwariya Rai attractive? Why does it matter if a white man would find them attractive the same way he’d find a white woman attractive? I wasn’t aware that many people based who they would attractive on race, but more so on whether or not your facial features are balanced. And then you comment on Aish’s body because she has a “thick waist” whereas Nordic women have hourglass figures. Let me show you something: http://www.geocities.com/famous_hourglass_women/ This is a website where the author went out of his way to show that the hourglass figure exists in many different cultures and races. So instead of singling out Indian women for having “masculine” features and that Nordic women are"better” (and I always thought men liked nice-looking women no matter what race, but you must be special), why don’t you do some more research? I feel sorry for you. Instead of coming across as educated and knowing what you’re talking about, you seem like an idiot. 31
Posted by Riya on September 27, 2007, 02:03 PM | # I also wanted to add— You compare the features of European women to Indian women as if you’re expecting one is going to come out better than the other. Is that really fair? That is doing so with the presumption that one race’s facial features are inherently better and more superior than the other’s. Can you really get a fair comparison by putting an Indian woman’s nose next to a European woman’s nose, especially when you know that evolutionary changes created those differences due to geography and climate? A European woman’s ancestors wouldn’t have any use for larger nostrils or a bigger nasal passage. And a thin, slim nose wouldn’t have helped an Indian woman’s ancestors. 32
Posted by req on September 28, 2007, 04:04 AM | # Fred Scrooby - do you have percentages of the number of European women surveyed who underwent some type of breast enhancement surgery? 33
Posted by haha on October 06, 2007, 01:49 PM | # Anyone notice the saggy white broad in a bikini behind Rai in the third photo? If that isn’t irony… 34
Posted by sunny82 on October 12, 2007, 05:00 PM | # Guys and Gals Wake Up and stop wasting ur time on who is better than who…just bullshit for pumping up ones ego…. 35
Posted by c on January 19, 2008, 09:11 PM | # Blah Blah Blah .....ha ha you’re such a piece of shit you should die dumbass it’s easy to talk shit behind your computer if Indian women are ugly why a lot of them won beauty contests (show us your gorgeous aryan face), 36
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 19, 2008, 09:57 PM | # I bet you post that in the Sepia Mutiny threads, “c,” when they go off on whites. ... The exact same thing. ... Out of fairness. ... I bet. ... Yeah. ... Sure. ... Any day now. ... No, I’m serious. ... Right. ... You can bet the farm. ... Take that to the bank. ... Defo. ... Gotcha. ... Sure. ... No, really. ... I mean it. ... 37
Posted by Sravanthi on February 21, 2008, 02:02 AM | # I thought you would want to read this Dear Editor: I’m sorry but I would like to challenge some of your Indian male readers. I am a White female who is engaged to an Indian male, good-looking, educated and loving. I just don’t understand a lot of Indian female’s attitudes about our relationship. My man decided he wanted me because the pickings amongst Indian women were slim to none. As he said they were either too fat, too loud, too mean, too argumentative, too needy, too materialistic or carrying too much excess baggage. Before I became engaged, whenever I went out I was constantly approached by Indian men, willing to wine and dine me and give me the world. If Indian women are so up in arms about us being with their men, why don’t they look at themselves and make some changes. I am tired of the dirty looks I get and snide remarks when we’re out in public. I would like to hear from some Indian men about why we white women are so appealing and coveted by them. Bryant Gumbel just left his wife of 26 years for one of us. Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, the model Tyson Beckford, Montell Williams, Quincy Jones, James Earl Jones, Harry Belafonte, Sydney Poitier, Kofi Anan, Cuba Gooding Jr., Don Cornelius, Berry Gordy, Billy Blanks, Larry Fishburne, Wesley Snipes…I could go on and on. But, right now, I’m a little angry and that is why I wrote this so hurriedly. Don’t be mad with us White women because so many of your men want us. Get your acts together and learn from us and we may lead you to treat your men better. If I’m wrong, Indian men, let me know. Disgusted White Girl, Somewhere in VA.
Dear Editor: I would like to respond to the letter written by A Disgusted White Girl. Let me start by saying that I am a 28-year old Indian man. I graduated from one of the most prestigious universities in Atlanta, Georgia with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Business Management. I have a good job at a major corporation and have recently purchased a house. So, I consider myself to be among the ranks of successful Non-White men. I will not use my precious time to slander white people. I just want to set the record straight of why Indian men date white women. Back in the day, one of the biggest reasons why Indian men dated white women was because they were considered easy. The Indian girls in my neighborhood were raised traditionally. They were very strict about when they lost their virginity and who they lost it to. Because of our impatience to wait, brothers would look for someone who would give it up easy without too much hassle. So, they turned to the white girls. Nowadays, in my opinion, a lot of Indian males date white women because they are docile and easy to control. A lot of Indian men, because of insecurities, fears, and overall weaknesses, have become intimidated by the strength of our Indian women. We are afraid that our women will be more successful than us, make more money than us, drive nicer cars and own bigger houses. Because of this fear, many Indian men look for a more docile woman. Someone we can control. I have talked to numerous Indian men and they continuously comment on how easy it is to control and walk over their white women. I want A Disgusted White Girl to know that not all successful Indian men date white women. Non-Whites like Ahmad Rashad, Denzel Washington, Michael Jordan, Morris Chestnut, Will Smith, Blair Underwood, Kenneth “Babyface” Edmonds, Samuel L.Jackson and Chris Rock all married strong Non-White women. And, to flip the script, there are numerous white men, in and out of the spot light, who openly or secretly desire Non-White women over white women. Ted Danson, Robert DeNiro, and David Bowie to name a few. I just don’t want a disgusted white girl to be misinformed. Stop thinking that because you are white that you are some type of goddess. Remember, when Non-White Egyptian Queens like Hatsepshut and Nitorcris were ruling Dynasties and armies of men in Egypt, you were over in the caves of Europe eating raw meat and beating each other over the head with clubs. Read your history! It was the Non-White woman that taught you how to cook and season your food. It was the Non-White woman that taught you how to raise your children. It was Non-White woman who were breastfeeding and raising your babies during slavery. It were the Non-White women that had to endure watching their fathers, husbands, and children beaten, killed, and thrown in jail. Indian women were born with two strikes against them: being Non-White and being a woman. And, through all this, still they rise! It is because of the Indian woman’s strength, elegance, power, love and beauty that I could never date anyone except my Indian Queen. It is not just the outer beauty that captivates and draws me to them. It is not the fact that they come in all shapes, sizes, colours and shades that I love them. Their inner beauty is what I find most appealing about Indian women. Their strong spirit, loving and nurturing souls, their integrity, their ability to overcome great obstacles, their willingness to stand for what they believe in, and their determination to succeed and reach their highest potential while enduring great pain and suffering is why I have fallen in love with Indian women. I honestly believe that your anger is geared more toward jealousy and envy than snotty looks. If this were not so, then why do you continuously go to tanning salons to darken your skin? If you are so proud to be white, then why don’t you just be happy with your pale skin? Why do you continue to inject your lips and hips with unnatural and dangerous substances so you can look fuller and more voluptuous? I think that your anger is really a result of you wanting to have what the Non-White woman has. BOTTOM LINE: If I were looking for a docile woman, someone I can walk over and control, I would give you a call. But, unfortunately, I am looking for a virtuous woman. Someone who can be a good wife and mother to my children. Someone who can be my best friend and understand my struggles. I am looking for a soul mate and unfortunately, you do not and CANNOT fit the bill. No offense taken, none given. Signed, 38
Posted by Leona on September 29, 2008, 09:10 PM | # Some of the inherent flaws with this entire website and it’s beauty ‘concerns’: -Comparison of Indian and European Models - The pictures chosen, show hair up for Indian women and hair down for european women. You chose pictures of people laughing for the Indians and well posed and carefully taken photos for the Europeans. -Working from a Presumption- You automatically presume that Euorpean models are better. How is this ever going to lead to a fair analysis. -Comparison of cross cultural beauty - Ultimately making your entire website laughable. You act as though the only way to be truly beautiful is to have European features. As though Indian or any other races’ features are inherently ugly? Living in teh west makes everyone susceptible to socialisation, as well as common thought, mostly misguided. In my opinion, the only way to say that someone is not beautiful or someone is less beautiful is if there is something inherently wrong with the proportions of ones’ face. All the models have perfectly proportioned features on both sides of teh globe. The rest is preference. And may i Just say, that it would seem absurd that the European standard of beauty is ‘hgih cheekbones’, ‘tanned skin’, ‘full lips’ et. When the racial classifcation of most europeans would put them as ‘flat cheekbones’, ‘thin to very thin lips’. Just as abusrd as indians praising lighter features when 95% of them have dark eyes, and 80% have darker skin. This website is ultimatley ridiculous. I pity you. As someone said earlier, you really do need to see some sort of pscyhologist as to why you feel such a need to prove a race as being superior to another. 39
Posted by HG Women on May 21, 2009, 12:53 PM | #
This is true. As the author of this site, I found that some women from all cultures have hourglass figures, if you’re prepared to search. I will mention that women from African or Mediterranean countries seem to have the figure more often than those from other cultures. To avoid dead links (the old website is shutting down shortly), I will mention that the updated link is: 40
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 05:34 AM | # POSTED BY “PHIL PETERSON” “If they are so bright, why is the country such a dump? “ MY ANSWER HEY PHIL TELL THE WHITE BRITISH TO RETURN THE KOH I NOOR DIAMOND THE BIGGEST DIAMOND IN THE WORLD BACK TO INDIAN WHERE IT CAME FROM THEN ASK THE QUESTION WHY IS THERE COUNTRY SUCH A DUMP. IT WASNT A DUMP BEFORE THE UGLY WHITES CAME. IT WAS A LAND OF WEALTH AND IT WAS CALLED THE GOLDEN BIRD. THE UNCULTURED BARBARIC AND PRITMITVE WHITE MAN SAW IT AND BECAME GREEDY AND CAME AND STOLE IT ALL AWAY THAT IS WHY THERE COUNTRY IS SUCH A DUMP NOW. DONT FORGET THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILISATION THE INDIANS BUILT. BRITAIN IS LIVING ON WELFARE. THAT THE WHITE PEOPLE STOLE FROM INDIA. SO SHUCKS TO PHIL THE RACIST 41
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 11:20 AM | # I RECENTLY READ THIS ARTICLE It was reported yesterday that a descendant of Mahatma Gandhi has asked Britain to return the Koh-i-noor diamond to India, thereby adding it to a list of treasures which the UK is under pressure to restore to their original homes – most notably the Elgin Marbles. This also comes in a week when France has been asked to send back two bronzes from the collection of Yves Saint Laurent to Beijing, where they were originally looted from the Summer Palace. The Koh-i-noor is an interesting case because it seems that almost from the moment it arrived in the UK there were doubts about its ownership. It was brought here in 1850 after the defeat of an uprising by the Sikhs in the Punjab, and was initially greeted as fair booty of war in this jingoistic leading article: Major Mackeson, passenger on Her Majesty’s steam sloop Medea, brings with him that famous diamond of the East called, in the fondness of Asiatic hyperbole, the Koh-i-noor, or Mountain of Light, which, after symbolizing the revolutions of ten generations by its passage from one conqueror to another, comes now, in the third centenary of its discovery, as the forfeit of Oriental faithlessness and the prize of Saxon valour, to the distant shores of England. So what’s the answer? Does a trophy of war stay with the winner even if that war was one of colonial oppression? When Britain finally ceded independence, should all the booty of the Raj have been returned? How much is the Koh-i-noor a special case? Does its position in a British royal crown suggest continuing arrogance over our colonial past? If we return it, should we ask for our railways back?
COMMENTS BY READERS ON THIS ARTICLE arjen said, ask for your railways back??? You mean the railways that were paid by Indian money, built by Indian labor, forced upon by British masters……DO YOU THINK the railways where the British agenda to give public transport to India …..or maybe it was laying down tracks so that troops, wealth and trade could be made to further exploit India and its people… INDIA has been Britain biggest CASH COW FOR THE Last 500YRS……Indias wealth FINANCED THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION AND UNDERWROTE ALL LOSSES…..a population of 300million was brutally controlled by garrison of 100,000 armed British troops. SO PLEASE…if were are taking about giving things back..I CAN ASSURE U THAT AFTER ALL HAS BEEN GIVEN AND TAKEN ..it will be Britain that will see HOW MUCH IT REALLY TOOK FROM OTHERS…THAT It CLAIM AS THEIR OWN…… Britains empire of thieves and muggers.
Krishna said, 07.13.09 at 4:35 am The question and answers are quite simple. A bully takes money/stuff from a smaller kid, since he was stronger at that point in time. So is he justified because he was stronger? India/the princely nations in the subcontinent did not go across oceans and continents and wage war against the British. The British came to the subcontinent to satisfy their purely colonial purpose – greed. Pray tell, why is it such a hard question to answer, when it comes to countries exploiting other countries’ resources? Does it become right, because your laws say so? Just to extend the analogy, would it have been ok for Hitler to plunder your country, if he had won in the second world war?
Raghuvirsinh said, 12.04.09 at 3:25 pm The kohinoor diamond was our ,of India. Then came the britishers and took away this diamond. I Mr.Sagarsinh raghuvirsinh Maharaul promise to all my THANK YOU
02.18.10 at 6:27 pm The Kohinoor and whatever else has been taken away will be returned .. Anyway what power does the Queen really have anymore ..Who is she to own/keep the Kohinoor ..
johAL said, 02.22.10 at 5:53 pm KOHINOOR DIAMOND WILL BELONG TO INDIA IF NOT I CURSE THE QUEEN SHE WILL DIE AND WINDSOR CASTLE WILL COLLAPSE YEH MERE SHARAB HAI IT WAS SOLEN FROM US Manudeep Kaushal said, 03.30.10 at 6:28 am Not only this diamond, thousands of other articles belonging to different eras of the Indian History have been lying in the basement of British Museum since ages. They belong to the people of India. Their still lying in UK represents the dominance of white. We need them back. They are not going to return it easily. We need to build public opinion. Media has helped in many issues of national pride and should extend its help this time also.
04.01.10 at 11:24 am Yes. I just read that about 1 lakh 40 thousand kilograms of gold was also stolen from the Kolar goldmines by the British. Shocking case of theft indeed!
05.11.10 at 7:06 pm I think that Koh-i-noor diamond should brought back. But, i know that British people have stolen it.If you win something that does not mean that you win everything. The diamond is status of the Sikh King and people. The British war was bullshit and not considerable as war because of cheating. People, please stop talking about religion and all. The diamond should property of one and only one ,”India”. The other side of the faith, “If you steal it something you can not keep it all the time.” Someday, it will go away because it is not yours. Just hope for the best. Anyways, UK and all other related to British not doing good as globally. Sandhya
pranavi said, 06.20.10 at 1:53 pm britishers are the thives who thieft the kohinoor from the indians nbnb said, 07.02.10 at 7:18 pm britishers are thives, robbers and biggest dacoit. Shame on them that they still use gift from India while the fact is what we all are aware of. They are robbers who show off dignity. What a joke ! Almost $3 trillion property was stolen by them at that time and one can obviously guess why they are where ever they are today. dinesh said, 07.23.10 at 11:38 am Its not a trophy it was forcibly taken as white people are greedy enough to loot this whole planet if they get a chance. KOHINOOR diamond has come from INDIAN soil and nobody outside India can lay their hands it. Neutral viewer said, 11.04.10 at 2:19 pm If Britishers want their railways back,which they laid for their own profit,
05.09.11 at 11:35 pm england need to give back the kohinnoor because it belongs to india…….even if it was taken by the old royal army it is stealing…. I AGREE AND I BELIEVE ONE DAY KOH I NOOR WILL BE BACK IN INDIA Last year Tushar Gandhi, the great grandson of independence leader Mahatma Gandhi, said it should be returned as “atonement for the colonial past”. Among other disputes over famous artefacts, Greece has for many years called for the return of the Elgin Marbles, removed from the Parthenon some 200 years ago and taken to London by the Earl of Elgin. One expert on the Crown Jewels said, by definition, all diamonds produced before the mid-18th Century were of Indian origin since no other country mined them. But Mr David Cameron - who is on a two-day visit to India - told the Indian TV channel NDTV this would not be happening. “If you say yes to one you suddenly find the British Museum would be empty,” he said. “I think I am afraid to say, to disappoint all your viewers, it is going to have to stay put.” WELL THIS PROVES THAT EVERYTHING IN BRITISH MUSEUMS IS STOLEN OR LOOTED BY BARBARIC PRIMITIVE UNCIVILISED AND UNCULTURED WHITE BRITISH PEOPLE WHO THIS SITE CLAIMS ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON THE EARTH AND UNDER EXTINCTION. BEAUTY IS DETERMINED BY ACTIONS AND THE ACTIONS OF BRITISH WHITE PEOPLE ARE UGLIER THAN THAN POOR AFRICANS WHO YOU PEOPLE DETEST. 42
Posted by Matt Parrott on October 05, 2011, 12:06 PM | # I propose that Britain return to India everything that belongs in India, including a million or so Indians. 44
Posted by Swan on October 05, 2011, 01:08 PM | # IN REPLY TO MATT PARROTT AND LLURKERS COMMENTS QUOTE"I propose that Britain return to India everything that belongs in India, including a million or so Indians. “ MY RESPONSE I propose that America returns to White people everything that belongs to White people, including a million or so White American people. I propose that Australia returns to White people everything that belongs to White people, including a million or so White Australian people. I propose that New Zeland(Originally belonging to Maori people) returns to White people everything that belongs to White people, including a million or so White New Zealandish people. NO THE MILLIONS OR SO INDIANS LIVING IN INDIA WILL NOT LEAVE BRITAIN BECAUSE THEY WERE BORN HERE. THE MONEY THAT BRITAIN IS SO PROUD OF IS MONEY THAT WAS ROBBED AND LOOTED FROM INDIA. ALL THE WEALTH OF INDIA WAS STOLEN BY THE BRITISH. SO NO INDIANS LIVING IN BRITAIN OR AMERICA OR AUSTRALIA OR NEW ZELAND ANY OF THESE 4 COUNTRIES HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO BE THERE AND LIVE THERE. IF YOU BOTH ARE BRITISH YOU ARE LIVING ON WELFARE OF INDIA THE MONEY THAT YOURE ANCESTERS STOLE FROM INDIANS BY KILLING AND MUTILATING THEM. SO NO INDIANS WILL NOT LEAVE BRITAIN . BRITAIN TOOK THE WEALTH FROM INDIA TO ESTABLISH ITSELF. IF INDIA WASNT THERE BRITAIN WOULD HAVE BEEN A THRID WORLD COUNTRY. SO NOW THAT BRITAIN HAS TAKEN WEALTH FROM INDIA INDIANS HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO LIVE IN BRITAIN AS PAID TENANTS. YOU STOLE THE MONEY NOW PAY IT BACK BY LETTING INDIANS STAY. AND BY THE WAY ANOTHER REASON WHY INDIANS WILL NEVER LEAVE BRITAIN IS BECAUSE THEY WERE BORN THERE THEREFORE THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO LIVE THERE WHILE THE BRITISH STOLE THE KOH I NOOR DIAMOND FROM INDIA. HOW WOULD THE BRITSH LIKE IT IF INDIANS CAME TO BRITAIN STOLE THE QUEENS THRONE AND SONIA GANDHI SAT ON THE THRONE IN INDIA. MAYBE THATS WHAT SHOULD BE DONE SO THAT THE UNCULTURED BARBARIC UNCULTURED AND UNCIVILISED WHITE BRITISH RETURN THE KOH I NOOR TO INDIA. INDIANS WILL LEAVE BRITAIN AFTER ALL THE WHITE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT NEW ZELAND, AMERICA AND AUSTRALIA I second that MR LLURKER 45
Posted by harman on December 09, 2011, 07:18 AM | # Hey jonjayray India has give huge talented actor.Nd yeah Nice outfit of the girl 46
Posted by Gary on February 20, 2012, 10:59 PM | # That’s pretty interesting, really. Even if the average Indian woman is more masculine that doesn’t necessarily mean the models would be. For example, when you look at other Asian countries, the majority of models are much more fairer skinned than the average person. For western countries, the models are definitely out of the norm. They are much taller, much skinnier, and are either extremely white or much darker than the average person. When it comes to models, I think it has more to do with what is seen as beautiful. So does this mean that Indians are more in touch with themselves and see themselves as beautiful and don’t look towards the outside for beauty influence? 47
Posted by daniel on February 29, 2012, 09:51 AM | # I don’t find her particularly attractive - too tapered and stylized. 48
Posted by daniel on February 29, 2012, 09:54 AM | # I have seen big Russian woman who surprised me by being beautiful to me, neverhteless. In an unexpected way. 49
Posted by Fiona on March 08, 2012, 07:07 AM | # Wonderful! I just impressed to see her beauty. I love her very much and I’m very glad for know that she is my sister. Thanks a lot. 50
Posted by pablo slater on March 16, 2012, 12:58 AM | # Indian models don’t believe in starving till you like hen and then walk ramp. 51
Posted by Bridal Lingerie on March 28, 2012, 07:04 AM | # simply awosum post. i liked her beauty. 52
Posted by Lola versus on May 17, 2012, 06:25 AM | # she was actually a make up artist, and caked makeup on everyday, and thoughy she did look good with the makeup.. she just never belived me when i said she looked great w/o makeup… stupid media i guess has destoryed the concept of natural beauty to women/girls… Next entry: Ocean Frontier Fertility: The Near Term Possibility of Bluefin Tuna Production Previous entry: Squirrels before pine |
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Posted by John S Bolton on March 29, 2006, 06:04 AM | #
One recalls the assasinated Indira, who was compared to a kestrel in appearance. Bollywood love story stars seem to be a wine that doesn’t travel.
If I may digress to the Indian IQ question: applying the bell curve from the national average in the low 80’s would imply that India has no more than 200,000 above our top 1%, ~135.
If the actual number there (above 135 IQ) is twice that or higher, as appears to be the belief of experts, such as yourself; does this imply that the caste system’s restraint of further degrees of outbreeding, is what accounts for this? That is, for the excess number above what the bell curve would predict from the national average.