News from Finland

Posted by John on October 01, 2008, 06:16 AM | #

Someone’s got to say this: Our enemies haven’t forgotten having their asses handed to them by the Finns in WWII. They want the Finns’ guns just as much as they want the Americans’.

They’ve already gotten the Australians’ due to the Port Aurthur Massacre, the official story of which is laughably implausible. The borderline retarded “shooter” had a kill rate and ratio that would make most special forces members proud.

Posted by Guessedworker on October 01, 2008, 07:32 AM | #

I’ve posted a link to this post on Margot Wallström’s blog.  The Commissioner’s post on the killings reports:-

The other night, I watched an interesting TV programme where a psychologist presented his views of the tragic incident. He claimed that this type of young man suffers from great insecurity, and quite often regards himself as a failure in life. To them, holding a gun becomes a desperate tool to power and to being seen and acknowledged. Quite often, these people are lonely, isolated and socially inept. But this aspect of the “madman” is not told by the media, and neither is the story of the victims. Instead, he is portrayed as a dangerous and powerful man – exactly the image that he wanted to give of himself.

This, I think, is an approach that does not look, and perhaps does not want to look, at Matti Saari and the others like him in his and their formative context.  Why are these young men insecure and self-confessed failures?  Why are they lonely, isolated and socially inept?  It does not take much love and connectedness to socialise young men.  They want to be socialised.  The process is natural.  What has curtailed it?

As if we can’t put a name to it!

Personally, I’m not in a position to comment specifically on the rootedness of Finnish culture.  My only, very tangential contact with it was that in the early 70s I discovered the tone poetry of the very great Jean Sibelius, and so learned of the spirit, if not the narrative, of Elias Lönnrot’s compilation of folk poetry, the Kalevala.

But here’s a little data from a paper on Nutrition in Finland:-

Families and children Since the 1970s, marriage rate has fallen and the age at which people get married has risen. At the same time, however, com-mon-law marriages have become more common: today, 22 per cent of all couples living together are not married. At current divorce rates, 50 per cent of all marriages in Finland break up, which is a much higher figure than in most other countries. In common-law marriages, the separation rate is even higher.

Of all people in Finland, four out of five live in a family. Family is here defined as including the married and cohabiting couples who live together, regardless of whether or not they have children, and households consisting of one adult and his or her children (Table 1).

The average size of families has de- creased from 3.7 persons in 1960 to the current figure of 2.8. Correspondingly, in 1960 only 4 per cent of Finns lived alone; since then, the proportion of persons living alone has risen to 18 per cent. People move out of their childhood home at a relatively young age: 66 per cent of women and 38 per cent of men aged 20 no longer live with their parents.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 01, 2008, 10:00 AM | #

GW, can you expand a bit further on “what name we put to it”?  It feels as if you began to make a point in that comment, then didn’t finish your thought.  (I think I agree with what you’re driving at, but I’m not certain.  Recall, for example, that I lay blame for the U.K.‘s chav phenomenon squarely at the feet of government.)

Posted by Guessedworker on October 01, 2008, 11:50 AM | #

Fred,

In my link-comment at Margot W’s blog I said:-

Ultimately, the heart of darkness which generates these pathologies is liberalism. For the sake of the abstract idea of the unfettered will, European Man has been subject to a relentless assault on his nature, on his culture (which flows from nature), and on his rights to a collective racial and normal familial life.

I am in broad agreement with Kai, for whom I have a lot of respect.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 01, 2008, 01:33 PM | #

Thanks, GW. 

I just took the liberty of leaving this comment at Miss Wallström’s blog (it’s “awaiting moderation”; we’ll see if it stays up):

James Bailey, the average citizen needs to own a gun for two reasons: 1) Self-protection where government has sent rates of violent crime through the roof by its inappropriate immigration policies; 2) Self-protection against government itself when government has grown abusive of the people and disregards their rights. Also, an armed population improves the quality of government: government isn’t scared of an unarmed population but, confronted with an armed one, will mind its manners better and do a better job of governing.

Posted by a Finn on October 02, 2008, 02:23 AM | #

Hello, Fred. Yes, Kai is right about the destructiveness of sixties, but I would like to digress from his view. We certainly had a culture and part of it is still here, but it is often hard to see the elements of it from the inside. They are thought as self evident and thus not recognized properly. I extend the definition of culture to propensities. E.g. when I read about old Finnish customs, way of life and culture, it instantly feels right in a way nothing else comparable can. The conversations and social contacts with other Finns are the most meaningful and foreigners, no matter how proficient in Finnish language and customs, can’t compete. But I have to say that most of the Europeans are close seconds in this regard and others come far behind, so far in fact that they could be from another planet. We are likely to be genetically predisposed to a certain range of customs and culture. The effects of genetic similarity theory directs our preferences. The problems arise when these natural tendencies don’t find outlets in fairly small communities. Impersonal mass state; the global lowest common denominator mass media; false social relations and communities in internet; individualist atomization of people in liberal society; sick and degenerate entertainments and influences; immigration of misbehaving aliens that are every day like sand in a motor; etc. It is then easy to grow up into the wrong direction. Add some other distorted people to the environment, real or virtual, and there is good ground for grievances, encouragement to wrong paths, dead end frustrating stagnations, etc. The whole country has some order in it, but it is in essence a lunatic asylum, where schizophrenics on cocaine give therapy to the healthy.

Violent culture in Finland and violent inclinations in Finns? Yes, it has been necessary to our survival against bigger enemies and traditionally harsh environment. But it has been mostly controlled in quality, excluding alcohol. Also it has to have endurance, quick tempers fizzless here into vanity or destruction. Also violence is generated by gathering the storm inside long time, then suddenly and unexpectedly exploding into fierce violence.

It would be tempting to say that those former sentences are enough to explain it all. But not so.

Saari was likely an outlier personality, with inclinations to pressure cooker mentality, reclusiveness, etc. It goes something like this:

1. No outlet to his feelings, interests, needs, etc. Pressures from the environment. Mass media, schools, politicians teach self-hatred, guilt, degeneracy, hatred of Finns and Europeans, individualism and vain identities. Hatreds gather inside and become everyday phenomenon. People interpret to be what they do, feel and think, so person X interprets himself to be a hater.

2. He then searches contacts to persons who would feel the same way, give him outlets to his feelings, purpose and direction to the hate, pseudotherapy and consolation, etc. He finds a misantrophy internet group (Like Saari).

3. The group gives his hatreds validation, encouragement, support, peer pressure, models to imitate, etc. Hatreds intensify and find direction by contemplating the imitation of the most impressive haters.

4. The hatred crystallizes to a practical goal, it is planned and then some incident gives urgency to it’s realization (Like Saari’s police questoning the day before the mass murder).

5. He murders.

All this would have been prevented constructively every step of the way, if he would have been a member of tightly knit fairly small real life community where membership is received by being born into the group. Community with it’s reciprocality, responsibilities, interests, protections, outlets, sense of belonging, acknowledgements, encouragements, real social relationships, punishments, altruism, meaningful purposes, worldview, religion, natural identity etc. Where community is more important than individual. His good and bad energies would have been directed to good and productive purposes.

Posted by a Finn on October 02, 2008, 03:46 PM | #

reciprocality—-> reciprocity

Addition: My view about preferences etc. is a local, subjective and natural European view, based on the ethnic realities on the ground (As it must be). This is the general view in Europe, Italians prefer Italians, Poles prefer Poles, British prefer British, etc. This doesn’t imply north-south, east-west, or any such divide, like the differences in Usa and Britain doesn’t prevent any co-operation. Ethnic realities are different in the Usa and I don’t recommend my view to European-Americans. It would be divisive. If I would have been born in the U.S. my view would be different from my current view and in line with the view of European-American activists.

Just wanted to separate myself from the divisive trolls like Silver.

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 02, 2008, 04:01 PM | #

If I would have been born in the U.S. my view would be different from my current view and in line with the view of European-American activists.

What happens if “Americans” are not homogeneous? What happens if despite the admixture “there are 4 or 5 distinct genetic subgroups within the population that can be linked to self-reported ancestry?

Then whose the troll?

Posted by a Finn on October 02, 2008, 07:21 PM | #

To Desmond Jones: So there are recent immigrants, who haven’t had the time to assimilate. There are Jews who probably don’t wan’t to assimilate into the European-Americans. There are some small groups of European ancestry who don’t want to assimilate into the European-American mainstream. Some European ethnic clusters are at this point partially assimilated, but the process is going forward. But I have read that in major U.S. areas the intermarriage rate between European ethnies (as far as these in many areas exist at all) is between 70-80% and there is long history of intermarriage. That is the mainstream European-American reality. That is the sun in the middle of the European-American universe and the single European ethnies are small satellites around. The single European ethnies may decide to be separate, but the least they can and must do is to be culturally well assimilated also to the mainstream, not adopt a contrarian stance against the majority European-Americans and co-operate with them.

You have adopted a contrarian stance. I am at ease with mainstream European-Americans activists, but not with you.

This is my opinion on pro European-Americans groups and shouldn’t have any deciding power. Pro European-Americans are those who decide.

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 02, 2008, 07:39 PM | #

That is the mainstream European-American reality.

Really?

Or maybe yours is the contrarian stance. No doubt we will know soon enough.

Posted by a Finn on October 02, 2008, 08:12 PM | #

Desmond Jones: “No doubt we will know soon enough.”

- Yes, as soon as you start to enumerate the separatist European ethnic groups in the Usa.

Ethnic festivals will not do.

Posted by silver on October 02, 2008, 10:47 PM | #

Ethnic realities are different in the Usa and I don’t recommend my view to European-Americans. It would be divisive.

Ethnic realities in America are different to Canada and Australia. 

Inter-ethnic differences in the US always paled in comparison to the black-white difference, thus greatly facilitating what you’d call ‘assimilation.’  Large-scale European immigration to Canada and Australia took place at a much later date and there was nothing like the African backdrop against which to form comparisons.  In addition, both countries began to erect multiculturalism at the same time as immigrant groups were still finding their feet, effectively crushing any hope of widespread assimilation. 

Pan-white American WN is driven mostly by (perceived) necessity: though nordic/ish types are the majority, groups have intermarried to such an extent that taking a position requiring prying them apart is seen as impolitic.  Deciding on the in-group is mostly a matter of judiciously choosing how to draw the circle so that it requires the least prying apart possible while avoiding going to futile or obviously absurd lengths. 

Of course, membership in a group on the basis that you only just managed to squeeze into it is rather underwhelming.  Thus we have efforts like Rienzi’s which attempt to deny meaningful genetic differences (though the phenotypic differences often remain enormous); others scrounge for historical cultural links (Auster). 

My mentioning this shouldn’t be seen as divisive.  As I’ve said, if separation is to become a reality, antis will certainly seize upon such points (they do not for the moment because there is no need for them to).  It’s best to get them hammered out ‘in-house.’

Posted by DJ on October 02, 2008, 11:55 PM | #

Pan-white American WN is driven mostly by (perceived) necessity: though nordic/ish types are the majority, groups have intermarried to such an extent that taking a position requiring prying them apart is seen as impolitic….

sILLver you are boring the hell out of me.

Posted by Desmond Jones on October 03, 2008, 12:42 AM | #

Ethnic festivals will not do.

They won’t be necessary. Eating crow on the hand, might be.

Posted by a Finn on October 04, 2008, 03:25 AM | #

So Desmond Jones gives me self-reported majority ancestry chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg

If there is any closer look, that chart is torn to pieces. E.g. many those who report English, German or Italian ancestry might have in reality 1/4 of that ancestry and be married to a member of another ancestry. Also the gamut of minority ancestries in those counties complicates the view further.

But that was not my point, and Desmond Jones carefully avoids answering.

Where is e.g. English, German or Italian ethnic endogamous movements? I don’t see any. It seems that those self reported English, Germans and Italians prefer a pan-European identity. There is many pan-European-American movements.

In a way Silver speaks the truth. He is a lie and he truthfully writes his manipulative lies. If there is any European-American divisions, he will do everything in his feeble and fumbling power to create grievances and hatred out nothing between them.

Posted by a Finn on October 04, 2008, 04:25 AM | #

The word silver:

Silver bullet to kill the evil Dracula. (Pro-European-American repsenting the evil in Silver’s mind)

Silver medal, the bitter and grievous second place, the reason to become a divisive troll.

Silver, a metal almost as toxic as lead if ingested and in the same way, toxic to nervous system. (Compare this to ingesting the advice of Silver) Silver can look useful, in e.g. kitchenware, but it is toxic anyway (Silver tries to look useful to pro European-Americans, but is in reality toxic to them).

Silver metal reacts with oxygen to create a dark surface (Compare to dark skin). Inside the dark surface is the shining and bright metal. (Silver thinks he is bright, and his dark skin is just a surface)

If somebody breaks the silver mirror, it will cause a seven years (= long time) of accidents to him. (History of Silver, e.g. bullying in the school and now he has become the cause of accidents to those representing the bullies in his mind).

Silver, the name of a horse. A named horse is owned by someone and works for him (Compare this to being an employee in e.g. anti-racist NGO or government office).

Silver lining in a cloud. There is a threat or bad thing, but Silver represents in his mind a way how the “bad” thing can be manipulated into “good” outcome, the silver lining (Compare this to breaking the pro European-Americans into numerous squabling, ineffective entities, a good outcome in the mind of Silver). Silver lining also contains, prevents and inhibits the “bad” thing inside it (The mission of Silver).

What an interesting name choice.

Posted by a Finn on October 04, 2008, 04:35 AM | #

In addition Silver might be = translated jewish name e.g. Silberstein. It is sad that so many Jews see divide and conquer as the only alternative, because there is mutually good alternatives.