Norway is a nuthouse

Posted by Guessedworker on June 04, 2006, 07:23 PM | #

The further north you go, the more the altruism is detached from its natural orbit.

Posted by Mark Richardson on June 05, 2006, 06:34 AM | #

Note too how multiculturalism encourages an authoritarian state: there is a suggestion to make day care obligatory as a means of integrating foreign immigrants.

And yet there are so many right-liberal types, who claim to want a small state, advocating open borders. Contradictory aims.

Posted by Alex Zeka on June 07, 2006, 02:50 PM | #

Nothing new about that, Mark. The race mixers of history have been the Genghis Khans and the Alexander the Greats, and most every other imperialist.

Some have even suggested that the state arose to manage ethnically incompatable populations.

Posted by random apalled visitor on November 25, 2007, 07:31 PM | #

Well i happen to live in Norway and i can honestly tell you that having my country called a nuthouse by a bunch of psychotic delusioned racist american morons is a great compliment. Thank you.

There’s no shortage of concerns facing the inhabitants of our planet at this moment, how about devoting your time to something constructive? I would encourage you to spend your efforts on mobilizing some support for getting rid of that fascist american empire of yours, it is destroying the earth.

Posted by Al Ross on November 25, 2007, 08:04 PM | #

Worry about Norway, you Marxoid retardate.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/07/norwegian-government-covering-up.html

Posted by torgrim on November 25, 2007, 08:56 PM | #

Appalled….

I share Fjordman’s dismay at what has befallen Norway.

I fear for my relatives and what will happen to my ancestral homeland.

What will happen to the ancient stone pictographs, the runic, purely heathen cult sites, the standing stones, the Thing Sites, millenia rich traditions, born of untold generations of survival and close ties to the land?

Sharia Law will do as it has done to the other conquered lands, destroy, destroy and eradicate all vestiges of the indigenous people.

Live with that.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 25, 2007, 09:56 PM | #

More important than those artefacts, Torgrim, is the Norwegian race itself:  it’s going to change.  And not for the better.  I don’t want that.  You don’t want that.  But the ones in control intend to push it through and no one among Norwegians, it appears, is standing up and making them stop.  Unfortunately too many Norwegians are like our friend Random Appalled Visitor above, who sees nothing whatsoever wrong with the situation, not a blessed thing.  To him, we’re the wrong ones for even talking about it.  If we would only shut up everything would be fine.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 25, 2007, 09:59 PM | #

Excuse me, make that Random De-balled Visitor ... (Sorry for the typo ...)

Posted by Al Ross on November 25, 2007, 10:13 PM | #

Fred, your altered appellation for the auto-racist Skywegian meets the case perfectly.

Posted by Lurker on November 25, 2007, 10:20 PM | #

Fred - “If we would only shut up everything would be fine.”

Exactly it Fred, time and again thats the feeling I get from talking to people (not everyone) - but die hard left/liberals. That truly is the only drawback of immigration they are ever prepared to admit, the problem of nasty people pointing out that unlimited immigration might not quite lead to an egalitarian nirvanna.

Posted by apalled on November 25, 2007, 11:06 PM | #

First of all, let me quote “Fjordman"s article:

‘Over the last 5-10 years there has [been] an increasing tendency to marginalise and alienate immigrants,’ says Professor Flemming Balvig, a criminologist at Copenhagen University.

It’s true that the rape crimes mentioned in the article were committed by mostly somali fugitives (not immigrants). However, one has to take into account that the perpetrators have been granted asylum from a war ridden country, and having witnessed the most horribly unimaginable acts of bestiality, they have to spend years in detention while their application for asylum is being processed. The bureaucracy in charge of treating these applications has been thoroughly criticized for its inefficiency. The applicants are left to themselves, and because it is uncertain whether they will be granted permission to stay, they are not given courses in norwegian or even permitted to leave the premises in which they are confined. Instead they are left to sit around watching MTV all day long. The lengthiness of these procedures is unacceptable, because one can only imagine how this isolation affects people.

This brings us to another important point in the ongoing debate about these rapes, namely the critique of norwegian psychiatry and its failure in recognizing the high rates of mental illness among unemployed war fugitives. These crimes have nothing to do with islam, and i say that as someone deeply distrustful of any form of organized religion.

Second, torgrim, I truly share your worries regarding the cultural heritage of my homeland. It breaks my heart to see age old traditions and crafts slipping away from the common culture, although there are a few people striving to keep these things alive. But how on earth you manage to contribute this fact to “Sharia Law” of all things is way beyond me. Muslims make up 2 percent of the population of norway, and they have virtually no influence whatsoever in the popular culture.

The reason why native traditions are going extinct all over the world is that they are being effectively replaced by a most vicious, cynical and thought out form of commercial cultural imperialism. Mediated through privately controlled corporate channels, this destructive form of propagandic brainwashing originating in Hollywood and on Madison Avenue has a thoroughly destructive effect on any population because of its irresponsible use of group psychology and subliminal messages. I recommend checking out the work of Edward Bernays, the father of public relations and modern advertising. Here’s a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_Of_The_Self

Islamic fundamentalists pose no threat whatsoever in the world compared to the dehumanizing effects of televised propaganda. Live with THAT.

Posted by Lurker on November 25, 2007, 11:21 PM | #

Apalled - “It’s true that the rape crimes mentioned in the article were committed by mostly somali fugitives (not immigrants)”

Sorry, let me stop you right there, it doesnt matter what bureaucratic terminology you choose regarding the people who are going to displace your people. Archaeologists of the future may note that European civilisation was wiped out in Norway and debate how it happened. Whether they are ‘immigrants’, ‘asylum seekers’, ‘economic migrants’, ‘refugees’, ‘students’, ‘guest workers’, ‘new Norwegians’ (made that one up!), ‘tourist overstayers’ or ‘illegal immigrants’ doesnt really matter. If they settle and dont leave, youre in trouble.

“commercial cultural imperialism” you are quite right there but its part and parcel of the same process. The commercial cultural imperialism is there to help the immigrants in, the immigrants are there to dilute the natives, to soften them up for the next round of commercial cultural imperialism.

“Islamic fundamentalists pose no threat whatsoever in the world compared to the dehumanizing effects of televised propaganda” not right now perhaps in Norway, but the dehumanizing effects of televised propaganda helped them to settle. So they are 2% now, how do you propose to stop them doubling to 4% or 8% and so on? As their numbers grow they are going to start exerting some sort of influence. It might not be the sort you would like.

Posted by apalled on November 25, 2007, 11:42 PM | #

By calling them fugitives instead of immigrants i’m referring to the fact that Norway is only allowing immigration from the EU at the moment.

There are plenty of norwegians left to “preserve the race” for now, but we humans are facing the greatest changes ever known to us, and nothing is going to be as it was (or is). “European civilisation” as we know it will be “wiped out” anyway (to some extent, good riddance). We can only hope to preserve the cultural traditions still alive as artifacts in living museums, reservations, “pockets of life” and so on. The increase of the muslim population will take too long for them to compete with the other fast emerging influences.

As i see it, the real issue at hand is managing to avoid further exploitation of the emerging technologies to avoid seeing new versions of the dreaded totalitarian states of the past!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 25, 2007, 11:49 PM | #

“Islamic fundamentalists pose no threat whatsoever in the world compared to the dehumanizing effects of televised propaganda.”  (—Appalled)

Good.  Let’s keep both out of the West:  Islamic fundamentalists and televised MTV-style propaganda.

Posted by torgrim on November 25, 2007, 11:49 PM | #

Fred,
“More important than those artefacts, Torgrim, is the Norwegian race itself: it’s going to change.”

Yes, and a hard and painful thing to comprehend. At times, almost too much….

To lose the Norwegian people, to go into that dark night, with a wimper, is an outrage!

The “NorthWay”, has been peopled even before all the ice retreated, survived summers with “no summer” and yet, even flourished.

To be “undone” by their own leaders is just unbelieveable!

The artefacts are basically the outward expression of a people, that if,race- replaced, will see common law abolished, sacredness of land, trod upon, music, poetry and a sense of belonging, gone.
Sure, the race- replacers can copy, as shown by the Tarim Basin study, but it will only be a hollow, soul- less expression, by another people

Random De-balled Visitor sounds like the leadership in Norway. A warning to the leadership…..
What sometimes looks like autruism in the North, may, just be festering rage, both can be silent and hence mistaken.

Posted by Lurker on November 25, 2007, 11:52 PM | #

“The increase of the muslim population will take too long for them to compete with the other fast emerging influences.”

I wouldnt like to count on that.  The dehumanizing effects of televised propaganda and the commercial cultural imperialism dont seem to be working on them as much as on us. Its almost as if that was deliberate. In the case of advanced capitalism and globalisation they (muslims) seem much more able to resist in living in the heart of the west.

What are these other existential threats? Global warming (to the extent its real at all)? I believe that left to our own devices European peoples would be able to fix/work around these kinds of problems.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 25, 2007, 11:52 PM | #

“the dreaded totalitarian states of the past!”  (—Appalled)

You’re living in a totalitarian state right now, my friend.  It’s called the E.U.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 25, 2007, 11:54 PM | #

Oh I forgot, Norway’s not a member.  But you’re surrounded by it and to an extent suffering its effects.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 26, 2007, 12:00 AM | #

“A warning to the leadership….. What sometimes looks like altruism in the North may just be festering rage; both can be silent and hence mistaken.”  (—Torgrim)

Pray God it be so!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 26, 2007, 12:06 AM | #

“European civilisation” as we know it will be “wiped out” anyway  (—De-balled)

That’s the post-modernist teachers filling their heads with crap nowadays.  It’s the left’s wishful thinking and attempt at creating a self-fulfilling prophecy through brainwashing whole generations in the schools where they’re a captive audience, sitting ducks, and can’t get away from it.  They end up like this specimen, actually believing this crap.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 26, 2007, 12:07 AM | #

He’s been de-balled all right, that’s for damn sure.

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 12:40 AM | #

The current European Union is only the beginning of what horrors may be awaiting us if the centralization of power in the world is allowed to continue. Same thing goes for Washington and the North American Union.

Let me remind you that Norway has had a ban on immigration since 1975.

> “I wouldnt like to count on that.”

One generation = 25 years on average. With current birth rates it would take over 50 years for the muslim population to reach eight percent, assuming that all children follow their parents religion without “diluting” it, which is highly unlikely.

> “cultural imperialism dont seem to be working on them as much as on us. Its almost as if that was deliberate. In the case of advanced capitalism and globalisation they (muslims) seem much more able to resist in living in the heart of the west.”

Of course there are competing forms of cultural imperialism at work in the world, most of them (like overly fundamentalistic islam) as a response to the anglo-american one.

> “What are these other existential threats? “

By other influences, i mean the emerging technologies; information technology, nanotechnology, neurology & biotech, energy scarcity, environmental issues like pollution, and all other factors that will contribute to a major shift of society one way or another.

> “It’s the left’s wishful thinking”

What are you talking about?? It’s the far right that are pushing forward the new methods of social control that pose a threat to democratic societies.

Posted by D.E. Johnson on November 26, 2007, 01:02 AM | #

The further north you go, the more the altruism is detached from its natural orbit.
Posted by Guessedworker on Sunday, June 4, 2006 at 11:23 PM | #

Is that why Nordics rule?

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 01:06 AM | #

Actually i bet we agree on a lot of things, i for one would very much favor an archaic revival celebrating the diversity and traditions of the world cultures over a totalitarian technocratic world dictatorship. And to a large degree i think a return to traditional values is happening.

It just seems unlikely that it is going to outweigh the potential threats of technology by itself, and that’s why we need to put all of our efforts towards taming science into working for us instead of against us.

But all this brownshirted talk of race and eugenics has a foul taste to it and is simply not the way to bring about the desired development.

Posted by Al Ross on November 26, 2007, 01:40 AM | #

The case for eugenics is compelling and no amount of “the Gestapo are under the bed” scaremongering by Thirdworldist mattoids like ‘appalled’ can alter that.

http://www.eugenics.net/papers/caseforeugenics.html

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 01:57 AM | #

“At the present time, we are evolving to become less intelligent with each new generation.”

And somehow, this is due to the lack of eugenics..?? Is that really the best explanation you can think of?

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 03:08 AM | #

Using the hundred year old IQ test to justify eugenics is discrediting to say the least, but i guess it goes well with such a dated concept.

Posted by silver on November 26, 2007, 08:14 AM | #

Eugenics is “dated” and “discredited” (ie “rubbished”), but far from “disproven”.  In fact, scarcely any of its detractors even attempt to disprove it, not least because any such attempt always leaves open the possibility of rebuttal, and such rebuttals have an awkward tendency to make a mockery of the attempted disproof.  See attempts to decouple IQ, heredity and race, for example.

“And somehow, this is due to the lack of eugenics..?? Is that really the best explanation you can think of?”

The welfare state encourages and subsidizes the procreation of the feeblest elements of society, while free love and feminism coupled with supercharged careerism and consumer capitalism discourage the procreation of the ablest elements—what do you expect will be the result over the long run? 

As for Norway, as in the rest of Europe, current policies only ensure that civil war between Europeans and Muslims will be unavoidable if anything European (culture, race) is to be preserved.

Posted by Tommy G on November 26, 2007, 11:05 AM | #

“Immigrant Song”—Led Zeppelin

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!

On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
How soft your fields so green, can whisper tales of gore,
Of how we calmed the tides of war. We are your overlords.

On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

So now you’d better stop and rebuild all your ruins,
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing.

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 12:10 PM | #

The nature vs nurture debate is still not settled. Of course intelligence is hereditary, it’s just mediated through culture. The length of bookshelves is what’s hereditary. The dumbing down of culture is the obvious reason for the presumed decline of intelligence. Favoring eugenics means jumping to conclusions and ignoring the facts of culture.

>“civil war between Europeans and Muslims will be unavoidable”

The only unavoidable civil war is that between the people of the world and their oppressors, be it of commercial or religious flavor. And when it comes to oppressing people, the american establishment are the unsurpassed masters of the game.

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 12:16 PM | #

The human genome project dealt the final blow to superstitiously emphasized assumptions about heredity.

Posted by Tommy G on November 26, 2007, 01:59 PM | #

“The dumbing down of culture is the obvious reason for the presumed decline of intelligence.”

Here, in the U.S., the dumbing down of culture is due to white liberals—or delusional white-egalitarians if you will—dumbing it down to accommodate the less intelligent brown and blacks’ amongst us.

Lawrence Auster says it well:

“As I said in my 1994 American Renaissance speech, racial intermarriage is the first and last resort of liberals to the difficulties caused by racial liberalism (scroll down to where I say, “Ultimately the pursuit of race-blindness…”). Liberals start by taking the following positions: (1) race does not matter; (2) all races are of equal abilities; (3) all races are equally assimilable into the same society; (4) we must not discriminate between races and must not exclude any race but must be race-blind; and (4) anyone who is race-conscious is a morally defective human being who must be re-educated or purged. On the basis of these beliefs, liberals integrate blacks with whites and they also open the nation’s borders to tens of millions of Hispanics, who are all believed to have the same abilities as whites and to be completely assimilable into America. But then when it turns out that all races are not of equal abilities and that non-discriminatory racial inclusion and the resulting racial diversity has created insoluble dilemmas for society, what’s the liberals’ response? Wipe out all the races via mass racial intermarriage…”

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009262.html

Btw—silver (a self described non-white) is CORRECT on all the points he made in his post on Monday, November 26, 2007 at 12:14 PM | #

A civil war MUST take place to rid the unassimilable Muslims (which is 99% of them) from Europe in order for European culture to be preserved. The truth is: the more the Euros’ try to assimilate Muslims into Western culture, the more militant, or Islamic, they become.

Posted by apalled on November 26, 2007, 02:33 PM | #

You are confusing culture and genetics. The dumbing down of culture is a product of the neo-conservative corporate media. The social issues you are worrying about are caused by culturalal differences, not ethnic differences.

Modern militant islam is a direct response to american and soviet intervention in the middle east.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 26, 2007, 05:41 PM | #

Appalled is blind as a bat.  In all domains.

Posted by Al Ross on November 26, 2007, 06:20 PM | #

One would have to be blind, Fred, not to see that race informs culture.

Posted by DavidL on November 26, 2007, 08:11 PM | #

Please check out this story about older English women
going to Kenya for some negroidal companionship.
Gee, I thought we had it bad in the U.S.

I just wonder if before they beat them senseless
for their Euros, do they ask ” will you take one lump or
two” (LOL)

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1434216920071126

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 01:27 AM | #

Fred Scooby, your inability to reply with anything except immature name calling only gives leverage to my side of the argument.

If you are so in favor of eugenics i suggest you go sterilize yourself, because you are obviously among those deemed unfit for reproduction by the theories you endorse.

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 01:29 AM | #

that goes for all of you

Posted by VLC on November 27, 2007, 01:35 AM | #

apalled:

However, one has to take into account that the perpetrators have been granted asylum from a war ridden country, and having witnessed the most horribly unimaginable acts of bestiality

the vietnamese refugees/immigrants didn’t kill and rape like the way the blacks and arabs do. And one would think the Serbs and the Croats would be the kings of rape in North American and in Europe. What about the Spaniards ? that civil war was brutal, it must have turned them into beasts, ...right ?

how many other clichés you got in your bag ? Please lay them all out, this might be interesting

apalled:

Instead they are left to sit around watching MTV all day long.

that’s it: they raped because they watched violence on TV. It must be that. I can’t think of any other NOT RACIST explanation. It’s the TV’s fault and the TV stations are owned by white capitalist pigs. 

apalled:

It just seems unlikely that it is going to outweigh the potential threats of technology by itself, and that’s why we need to put all of our efforts towards taming science into working for us instead of against us.

how about not using computers?

Teh computers, teyh wiLL ruLe The WOlRd in the fuTurE!

Posted by VLC on November 27, 2007, 02:13 AM | #

they’re coming!

Posted by Al Ross on November 27, 2007, 03:44 AM | #

Yes, VLC, it must be TV’s fault that Niggers are running wild in Detroit. But wait, the Detroit Darkies receive the same TV shows as the citizenry of nearby Windsor, Ontario and that White town is peaceful with a low crime rate. Damn, back to the Marxist drawing-board.

Posted by Tommy G on November 27, 2007, 10:07 AM | #

>“I would encourage you to spend your efforts on mobilizing some support for getting rid of that fascist american empire of yours, it is destroying the earth.”

What about the fascist government of PRC? BTW, China is by far the biggest polluter on the planet…and growing more beligerant in many ways….

And why are you excusing the Caliphate? I assume you’re a female…but in any case, do you understand—or do you even have a clue—how women are viewed under Islam? Do you know how Sharia law treats an Muslim women who is raped? Read “Infidel” by Ayaan Hirsi Ali, if you want to get a clue.

I suspect because the Chinese communists and the Somali Muslims are not White, you give them a pass—somehow you’ll be able to trace their bad behavior onto those imperialist Americans? Don’t most leftists eventually get around to blame everything that goes bad in the world on Whites?

Appalled, you sound to me like you’re a typical young leftist steeped in the neo Marxist ideology of Antonio Gramsci et al!

http://www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/12-07-04.asp

>“The reason why native traditions are going extinct all over the world is that they are being effectively replaced by a most vicious, cynical and thought out form of commercial cultural imperialism. Mediated through privately controlled corporate channels, this destructive form of propagandic brainwashing originating in Hollywood and on Madison Avenue has a thoroughly destructive effect on any population because of its irresponsible use of group psychology and subliminal messages.”

Well, I think most people who are concerned with preserving people of European decent would agree with your assertion; however, we believe it is MAINLY a certain segment of Jews (Jewish supremacists more specifically)  perpetrating the manipulation for purposes of benefiting their own EGI.

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html

Posted by Robert ap Richard on November 27, 2007, 12:04 PM | #

De-balled,

You have been brainwashed into believing that there is only one race, the human race.  That all peoples believe and desire the same things, that all are equally capable and deserving.  You believe this without a second thought.  I say believe, because all around you is proof that other peoples do not see things as you do.  You are a true multi-culti (social Marxist) believer.  You are being conquered by foreign peoples who are not.  You refuse to open your eyes.  There is none so blind as he who will not see.

There will be no Western civilization without Whites.  Your blind obsession with preserving culture, without concern for the people who built it and maintain it, will keep you confused and ineffective.  Many Europeans, not having had experience with non-Whites as Americans have, also have your blindness.  They still believe culture is more important than race, that mud-peoples can be “assimilated,”  that they can carry on Western Civilization, or help build the new culture.

And who wants the foreigners to assimilate anyway?  If Whites’ children marry non-Whites’ children, White people will not be produced.  Eventually, Whites will cease to exist.  Is that what you want?  Evidently you do.

If you really care, recognize your Jewish/Communist programming and break out.  The truth will set you free.  Denken macht frei !

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 02:18 PM | #

> the Detroit Darkies receive the same TV shows as the citizenry of nearby Windsor, Ontario and that White town is peaceful with a low crime rate

You are missing the point. Non-white people are not given the same range of stereotypes to choose from, but are instead mostly portrayed as criminals by the media and entertainment business, and hence treated as such by the rest of society.

> how about not using computers?

I’m talking about the potential ABUSE of technology to oppress and manipulate populations.

> do you even have a clue—how women are viewed under Islam?

I am not in any way excusing the oppressive practices of modern islam, just as much as i refuse to ignore the oppressive practices of the west. They both need to be abolished.

> You are being conquered by foreign peoples who are not

No, i am being conquered by western propagandists who are also responsible for stirring up trouble in the middle east.

> not White, you give them a pass

No, i am just not giving the whites a pass because they are white.

> all around you is proof that other peoples do not see things as you do

Well that’s pretty obvious isn’t it? However some viewpoints are more rooted in empirical data and logic than others. Yours are not. For instance, official norwegian statistics point to the fact that ethnic norwegians are far more criminal than immigrants.

*

You guys are missing the point entirely. The oppressive practices of the west and the east are two sides of the same coin, they are both methods of domination invented by psychotic control freaks and they both need to be equally abolished because they both lead to great social problems and dehumanizing destruction. If people could be able to live at peace in their homelands there would be no need for massive work immigration or refugee asylums. No need to get all neo-nazi about it.

However it is pretty obvious you guys are only looking for a cheap excuse to act out your racism and get a simple explanation of world issues that doesn’t require much thinking (except looking at someones appearance and saying good or bad), but luckily your viewpoints are too removed from reality to have any real impact in the world.

Posted by Robert ap Richard on November 27, 2007, 03:06 PM | #

“No need to get all neo-nazi about it.”

So, De-balled, any Whites who argue for separation and self-determination are Nazis?

It’s obvious you do not like Western civilization—your breath reeks of Commie/Jewish propaganda.  Until you wake up from your race-blindness, you will not understand the motivation of those who are already in your lands, conquering you as we type.  Regardless of what you believe, THEY are NOT race-blind—never have been, never will be.

White America has already been down this road of global brotherhood, and smart Whites have seen it for what it is: commie bullshit.  As of now, whites have been almost completely dispossessed of our money, our lands, our traditions, and our children’s future, all in the name of “racial equality.”  We are discriminated against—formally, legally!—in every field, bar none.  While all other races have countless lists of organizations dedicated to promoting their own interests, Whites have exactly zero.  And if we even tried to organize so much as a Whites-only ping-pong match, people like you would go berzerk, shouting, “Nazi!”  (How Jew-ish you are.)

You are being cuckolded, De-balled.  The same leaders who tell you to be tolerant of the colored man are the same ones screwing you over, giving everything of yours away to the invaders, all for their personal power and profits.  White liberals (useful idiots, as Lenin and Trotsky called them) in South Africa fought against so-called “apartheid” and welcomed the Black Man as an equal.  Look at those liberal fools now, they’ve drug an entire country to the abyss.  An entire country, an entire civilized way of life, has been completely destroyed, with exactly the same racial-equality, commie B.S. you are trying to pass off on us here.

Those who do not care if White Man continues to exist are obviously the enemy of all Whites.  This seems to include you, De-balled.

Posted by Robert ap Richard on November 27, 2007, 03:19 PM | #

Al Ross wrote:
“Yes, VLC, it must be TV’s fault that Niggers are running wild in Detroit. But wait, the Detroit Darkies receive the same TV shows as the citizenry of nearby Windsor, Ontario and that White town is peaceful with a low crime rate. Damn, back to the Marxist drawing-board.”

For those interested in reality, not what’s portrayed in the PC media, there’s a handy guide to the government stats, showing how much more crime is likely from coloreds than from Whites, and how Whites are several times more likely to be assaulted by Blacks than the other way around.  Liberals and other Marxist do-gooders: this is tough medicine, so grab your teddy-bears and hang on!

The Color of Crime
www.amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf

Posted by Tommy G on November 27, 2007, 03:23 PM | #

apalled, what you don’t realize is that you are portraying yourself as the quintessential poster-child of the young obstinate brainwashed neo-Marxist indoctrinated liberal.

>“You guys are missing the point entirely.The oppressive practices of the west and the east are two sides of the same coin, they are both methods of domination invented by psychotic control freaks and they both need to be equally abolished because they both lead to great social problems and dehumanizing destruction. If people could be able to live at peace in their homelands there would be no need for massive work immigration or refugee asylums. No need to get all neo-nazi about it.”

Okay, apalled, let’s see if you’re just a know-nothing or if you have some substance.

Answer this:

How do you propose to rid the world of the “psychotic control freaks” in both the east and west that are causing all the problems???

Since we’re so misdirected and you’re so sagacious, that ought to be easy for you to answer.

BTW—You say “No need to get all neo-nazi about it.”

Who here is getting, or advocating getting, all neo-nazi about it?

Posted by GT on November 27, 2007, 05:10 PM | #

For instance, official norwegian statistics point to the fact that ethnic norwegians are far more criminal than immigrants.

I don’t know about that.  Crime stats often reflect the prevalence of law enforcement or the willingness to report crime by victims and government agencies. Zambia’s ‘reported’ crime rate, for example, is only 5.28 p/1000.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/za-zambia/cri-crime

As for Norway:

The Norwegian Government - Covering Up Immigrant Rapes
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/07/norwegian-government-covering-up.html
Rape: Nothing to do with Islam?
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/08/rape-nothing-to-do-with-islam.html

“To make matters worse, while Norwegian women are increasingly unsafe in their own capital, we hear calls for even more immigration, and 85 % of our MPs pass a law saying that we are guilty of discriminating against immigrants until proven otherwise.”

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1084368.ece
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/05/norwegian-inquisition-sunset-in-land.html

The anti-White Norwegian government has a truth problem.

Posted by GT on November 27, 2007, 05:18 PM | #

”... 85 % of our MPs pass a law saying that we are guilty of discriminating against immigrants until proven otherwise.”

Here’s the Norwegian law:

http://www.stortinget.no/cgi-wift/wiftldles?doc=/usr/www/stortinget/beso/beso-200405-067.html&emne=diskrimineringsloven&ting=beson+besog+belsn+beslg&sesjon=*&#map10

Does MR have any trustworthy translators?

Posted by Count Sudoku on November 27, 2007, 07:03 PM | #

> For instance, official norwegian statistics point to the fact that ethnic norwegians are far more criminal than immigrants.

This has got to be bullshit.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece

Oslo rape statistics shock

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.

Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Larsen said that since this was the initial study examining ethnic make-up there were no existing figures to put the numbers into context.

“Meanwhile, it is our general experience that this is an increasing tendency. We note this by the number of time we need to use interpreters in the course of an investigation,” Larsen said.

> No, i am being conquered by western propagandists who are also responsible for stirring up trouble in the middle east.

Fine. One of the tools the “western propagandists” use to conquer us is to flood our countries with racial aliens. All of us here hate our governments and nothing will change until they are replaced with people who think like us.

As an aside, check out post #13 in this thread about how once again blacks and arabs are improving the lives of Europeans.

http://tinyurl.com/2nzgkm

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 08:01 PM | #

GT, a blog is not a reliable source of information, it is a place for opinions. In the real world there is something called empirical data. The statistics i am referring to can be found at the national statistics bureau of norway: http://www.ssb.no/english/

> we hear calls for even more immigration

There is a great need for workforce in the west because the population is aging while the standard of living is increasing. That’s why countries are allowing eastern european work immigrants temporary visas. Without them there would be no one willing to do the low-status work needed to keep the infrastructure alive.

The fact that the majority of rape criminals are immigrants is well known, and so are the reasons why these crimes could happen, namely the failure to follow up on certain maladapted and unemployed refugees. I happen to live in Oslo and know these things first hand. The people behind these crimes can not be considered religious in any way.

> How do you propose to rid the world of the “psychotic control freaks” in both the east and west that are causing all the problems???

That’s exactly the question we need to be paying attention to as human beings. Educating the public to raise awareness of this issue would be a good start.

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 08:04 PM | #

> The Color of Crime

I am not denying the facts of the matter, only your moronic “explanation” of the underlying causes.

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 08:23 PM | #

As people of the world we have a common enemy everywhere: the mentally ill pathologic control freaks who stop at nothing to fulfill their twisted ambitions of dominance. One of the tools they utilize to realise their sick dreams is called divide and rule (or divide and conquer). I trust you are familiar with the concept, and it shouldn’t be too hard to see where your own viewpoints fit in. It has been in use for thosands of years and is among the most powerful means of control. It can only be overcome through unity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

Posted by Al Ross on November 27, 2007, 08:57 PM | #

Divide and Rule is a mantra of those wedded to the Marxist interpretation of British colonial history. It is a laughable concept as anyone who has lived in a former colony can observe. In Malaya, for example, the three main races over whom the British ruled (Muslim Malays, Hindu Indians and Taoist/Buddhist Chinese) were never in the remotest sense united, so how then could one have divided that which was never as one in the first place? ‘Appalled’ should ditch the Commie cliches which he doubtless swallowed obediently at some fourth rate college along with the rest of the one-worldist bilge and swill fed to intellectually mediocre gulls and suckers like him.

Posted by Count Sudoku on November 27, 2007, 09:10 PM | #

> GT, a blog is not a reliable source of information, it is a place for opinions.

A blog is can be reliable or unreliable depending on what sources it uses.

> The statistics i am referring to can be found at the national statistics bureau of norway: http://www.ssb.no/english/

Where exactly does it say that immigrants cause less crime than the native population?

> There is a great need for workforce in the west because the population is aging while the standard of living is increasing. That’s why countries are allowing eastern european work immigrants temporary visas. Without them there would be no one willing to do the low-status work needed to keep the infrastructure alive.

A variant of slavery. Encouraging and providing the native population incentives to have more kids is not an option?

> The fact that the majority of rape criminals are immigrants is well known, and so are the reasons why these crimes could happen, namely the failure to follow up on certain maladapted and unemployed refugees.

You mean like not deporting them?

> I happen to live in Oslo and know these things first hand. The people behind these crimes can not be considered religious in any way.

Correct. Islam is incidental, it is the race of these people that is the problem.

> That’s exactly the question we need to be paying attention to as human beings. Educating the public to raise awareness of this issue would be a good start.

That’s part of what we do here. Part of the way we are “divided and conquered” is by bringing in foreigners. So it only makes sense to oppose bringing in foreigners and those who want to bring them here.

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 09:53 PM | #

> So it only makes sense to oppose bringing in foreigners

Well i agree that we should remodel society in such a way that we are less dependant on labor immigration.

> Where exactly does it say that immigrants cause less crime than the native population?

This applies to fugitives. Those statistics have not been translated, but are found here: http://www.ssb.no/vis/magasinet/slik_lever_vi/art-2004-12-10-01.html
As usual, second generation non-white immigrants commit more crimes than natives

> it is the race of these people that is the problem.

Well obviously it’s not because their criminal behavior is a reaction to a hostile society and/or encouraged by the american entertainment business. You could say the problem is that their race has been singled out to be stereotyped as criminals. It seems you too have bought into this stereotyping.

Posted by silver on November 27, 2007, 09:55 PM | #

Btw—silver (a self described non-white) is CORRECT on all the points he made in his post on Monday, November 26

A self-described Serb, Tommy.  That is “white” in a broad sense, but rather less meaningful in an Australian context, as I have pointed out umpteen times.  For some reason, when I point it out, it’s considered as divisive and manipulative, yet D Jones and required/AA air similar views all the time.  You, Tommy, seize upon my initial claim that I was “Paki” (I think I said), but ignore that I said I was a Paki in London, at which point GW, having traced my IP, said I was a “Sydney boy”. You will recall that I was as equally “appalled” as the lovely “appalled” we are now addressing at the straight talk on this blog and I wished to see how a self-professed subcon would be addressed. 

The human genome project dealt the final blow to superstitiously emphasized assumptions about heredity.

Appalled, it has done no such thing.  Heredity is alive and well and growing more vigorous by the day.  The claim that it has somehow been “disproven”, “crushed” or “exploded” is a claim born of sheer desperation, a desperate need to believe that all will be right with the world, that the future looks brigher, not dimmer.  Reality, however, cares nothing for our desperation, for our concerns; reality simply “is”.  As it stands, making use of the same scientific reasoning that has that has proven so fruitful in every field of investigation, the reality is the future is extremely bleak. 

There is a great need for workforce in the west because the population is aging while the standard of living is increasing. That’s why countries are allowing eastern european work immigrants temporary visas. Without them there would be no one willing to do the low-status work needed to keep the infrastructure alive.

This quick-fix solution will ultimately prove your undoing.  You do realize that immigrants themselves will age, right?  What will be the solution then, yet more immigrants?  Will the immigrants you bring even care about the aging whites they are replacing?  There is little evidence that they will and much evidence that they will not. 

They will not be ‘temporary workers’, either. The record shows that few things are as permanent as a ‘temporary’ worker. And they are not simply ‘workers’, they are people, which means they interact with the societies they live in, which means they might be, on average, good people or bad people, smart people or dumb people, compatible people or incompatible. 

In the case of Arabs and Africans, they are not good, not smart, not compatible, neither culturally nor racially.  And they will not willingly leave.  They will blight your country for as long as they live in it, just as negroes blight America, just as Aborigines and Islanders and (increasingly) Arabs blight Australia—forever, with no simple solution in sight, no solution other than separation.  Unless a separation is effected, the increasing numbers of such people will ensure—absolutely and unequivocally ensure—your ultimate downfall.

As people of the world we have a common enemy everywhere: the mentally ill pathologic control freaks who stop at nothing to fulfill their twisted ambitions of dominance.

You are quite right, actually.  Just who do you identify as these control freaks, however?

Posted by Guido on November 27, 2007, 10:03 PM | #

There is a great need for workforce in the west because the population is aging while the standard of living is increasing. That’s why countries are allowing eastern european work immigrants temporary visas. Without them there would be no one willing to do the low-status work needed to keep the infrastructure alive.

The fact that the majority of rape criminals are immigrants is well known, and so are the reasons why these crimes could happen, namely the failure to follow up on certain maladapted and unemployed refugees.

Appalled, have you no shame in repeating such idiotic lies?  Do you even give a second or two of thought to such sewage as it leaves your lips?

There are many areas of Canada that do not have these saviours of society to “do the work that needs to keep the infrastructure alive”, yet, we still have a well functioning society.  Filled with polite people, sewers that work, restaurants that feed us and all that.  Funny enough, I called in to my ISP for tech support the other day and was routed to the Toronto office, known as Pakistonto.  These fuckers couldn’t understand anything and were of no help.  I called back asking for a person that could speak English and was routed to New Brunswick.  Miraculously, the problem was solved in a few minutes. 

As for the crime because of idle hands excuse, all third worlders are not equal apparently in that department either.  You seem to fancy stats.  Why do the Negro and the Muslim always lead in these stats?

Posted by silver on November 27, 2007, 10:07 PM | #

Well obviously it’s not because their criminal behavior is a reaction to a hostile society and/or encouraged by the american entertainment business. You could say the problem is that their race has been singled out to be stereotyped as criminals. It seems you too have bought into this stereotyping.

There is nothing inherently wrong with stereotyping; stereotypes can be accurate or inaccurate.  In the case of negroes, the stereotypes are quite accurate, and despite people’s best intentions—as practised for over 50 years in the US—no improvement has been made in negro behavior.  You are fools to think you could succeed where Americans have failed.

Furthermore, there is nothing that can be done to counter the revulsion that many people feel upon seeing a negro.  It is, perhaps, the cruelest of human realities, and one that would ideally not be uttered were it not for the bleeding hearts who insist that it can be altered and who insist that all the negro’s problems are the result of it.  All the good ‘race relations’ work in the world comes to nought because someone at some time will tell a negro what he thinks, and such words wound so deeply the negro harbors a resentment that lasts a lifetime.

Posted by Count Sudoku on November 27, 2007, 10:22 PM | #

> Well obviously it’s not because their criminal behavior is a reaction to a hostile society

If the society was so “hostile” they wouldn’t be there in the first place. Your neighbor Sweden is filled with the biggest suckasses on the planet and they have the exact same problem.

> and/or encouraged by the american entertainment business.

Blacks were a problem long before the American entertainment industy.

> You could say the problem is that their race has been singled out to be stereotyped as criminals.

Even if that was true and what you said was right, it wouldn’t change the way blacks behaved would it?

> It seems you too have bought into this stereotyping.

The ability to recognize patterns is an important part of what we call intelligence.

Posted by silver on November 27, 2007, 10:32 PM | #

The simplest refutation of “we need immigrants” and “stereotypes did it” is pointing to the northeast Asians. Japan is aging every bit as much as the west, yet adequately maintaining and, indeed, improving its quality of life without recourse to immigration (ie “cheap workers”).  Japanese, Chinese and Koreans have a history of being reviled by the people of the nation’s they settled in but have not become murderers and rapists.

Posted by GT on November 27, 2007, 10:54 PM | #

GT, a blog is not a reliable source of information, it is a place for opinions. In the real world there is something called empirical data. The statistics i am referring to can be found at the national statistics bureau of norway: http://www.ssb.no/english/ 

You condescending asshat, Fjordman’s case against Norway’s anti-White regime is based upon information from primary and secondary sources.

The following empirical data provided by Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division in 2001 and reported in a secondary source could not have been missed if you had troubled yourself to click the link

Two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Norway’s crime statistics are suspect for reasons of which you are well aware but have disingenuously dismissed.

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 11:41 PM | #

You are going in circles here people. My point is that the stereotypes of the entertainment business become self fulfilling prophesies and encourage many black immigrants to become criminals, and fundamentalist Islam supply many muslims with hostile beliefs and warped views. Southeast asians are not subject to the same negative stereotyping. I do not necessarily condone the policies that lead to the need for labor immigrants by explaining the official reason for bringing them here. I agree there are great problems at hand, but recognizing cause and effect somehow seems to be beyond your mental abilities. Saying that a persons skin color alone will automatically make them a rapist is just plain stupid.

Posted by apalled on November 27, 2007, 11:53 PM | #

GT: and if you had troubled yourself to actually read this thread you would have seen that i’ve already commented on that article..

The world is just not as simple as you people wish it to be.

Posted by Count Sudoku on November 28, 2007, 12:01 AM | #

> You are going in circles here people. My point is that the stereotypes of the entertainment business become self fulfilling prophesies and encourage many black immigrants to become criminals,

I already said blacks were a problem long before Hollywood.

> and fundamentalist Islam supply many muslims with hostile beliefs and warped views.

True.

> Saying that a person’s skin color alone will automatically make them a rapist is just plain stupid.

It’s not “skin color” that is to blame, it is all the other racial differences mainly the ones related to the brain.

http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/stalkers/jpr_insight.html

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 12:06 AM | #

> I already said blacks were a problem long before Hollywood.

You mean when they were in chains and had the bad manners to go and die on the slaveships? Can you give any examples?

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 12:21 AM | #

> ’s not “skin color” that is to blame, it is all the other racial differences mainly the ones related to the brain.

And therefore we should continue to encourage africans to behave unfavorably?

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 12:25 AM | #

If that article is correct then it just means the stereotyping is even more destructive..

Posted by Count Sudoku on November 28, 2007, 12:44 AM | #

> You mean when they were in chains and had the bad manners to go and die on the slaveships? Can you give any examples?

Who do you think sold them into slavery?

Posted by Count Sudoku on November 28, 2007, 12:48 AM | #

> If that article is correct then it just means the stereotyping is even more destructive..

It probably isn’t helpful. In any case the solution is simple. Physcial and political separation from blacks (and all other non-whites).

Posted by ben tillman on November 28, 2007, 12:53 AM | #

> it is the race of these people that is the problem.

Well obviously it’s not because their criminal behavior is a reaction to a hostile society and/or encouraged by the american entertainment business.

No.  They are genetically different from the native Norwegians.  This means there is a biological conflict of interest.  Immigrants are much less likely than natives to view natives as members of their moral community.  To many or most immigrants, Norwegians are “non-self”.  Moreover, black Africans in particular tend to be impulsive, violent, and hyperindividualistic (i.e., criminal) even in their dealings with other black Africans.

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 01:32 AM | #

Look, if that article is credible it only shows that whites and orients get to have their positive traits encouraged by culture while africans are subject to a systematic augmentation of undesirable (epi)genetic traits. The IQ scores reflect this conditioning to the limited extent that IQ tests are a valid indicator of intelligence (which is highly disputed).

> In any case the solution is simple. Physcial and political separation from blacks (and all other non-whites).

That is neither necessary nor realistic. Working towards a gentler, more inspiring society with the goal of bringing peace and prosperity to everyone everywhere would do wonders. Few africans would want to spend a freezing winter in Norway if their own continent were allowed to prosper.

Posted by Desmond Jones on November 28, 2007, 01:41 AM | #

The IQ scores reflect this conditioning to the limited extent that IQ tests are a valid indicator of intelligence (which is highly disputed).

Nonsense. The US military uses them extensively. Lowering standards produces predictable results. (Project 100,000).

Few africans would want to spend a freezing winter in Norway if their own continent were allowed to prosper.

What’s stopping them?

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 01:49 AM | #

> Moreover, black Africans in particular tend to be impulsive, violent, and hyperindividualistic

Well, if things were that simple, shouldn’t i be sailing over to england to plunder monestaries and rape women, being a direct descendant of the vikings of the west coast of norway? How do you explain my own peoples transformation from barbaric feudal warlords into a highly civilized modern people? Could education somehow be involved? The plot thickens….

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 01:52 AM | #

> What’s stopping them?

Ever heard of the colonization of africa and how it took place?

Posted by Desmond Jones on November 28, 2007, 02:18 AM | #

Have you heard that European colonisation is long ended and it continues to be just a lame excuse for perpetual Africa failure?

How do you explain my own peoples transformation from barbaric feudal warlords into a highly civilized modern people? Could education somehow be involved?

Sure. Christianity too. Both were available to Africans so how come they didn’t turn out like the Vikings?

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 02:44 AM | #

> colonisation is long ended

Fifty years ago yes, and it’s well known how the african nations were conned by the world bank into taking huge loans that were supposed to finance an impossible future as export farmers, which ruined their possibilities of building a decent infrastructure.

> Sure. Christianity too. Both were available to Africans so how come they didn’t turn out like the Vikings?

Well the north african muslims got the christians out of the dark age when they supplied them with the only remaining sources of invaluable knowledge from ancient greece. But saying that the sub saharan africans were given equal opportunities as northern europeans is just wrong, because the age of enlightenment is the main reason behind the industrial revolution, and during that time the africans were enslaved under colonisation.

Posted by apalled on November 28, 2007, 03:14 AM | #

I think my work here is pretty much done, and i hope you guys can learn something from my recent postings. I am confident that you will discover more rewarding intellectual pursuits and wish you all the best of luck.

Posted by Al Ross on November 28, 2007, 04:09 AM | #

Appalled,why not pop over to the redoubtable Tom Shelly’s site and persuade him that Africans are all you believe them to be:

http://niggermania.org/tom/niggerarguments/niggerargumentstext.htm

Posted by GT on November 28, 2007, 04:13 AM | #

Disingenuous Asshat,

GT: and if you had troubled yourself to actually read this thread you would have seen that i’ve already commented on that article..

Having commented on the article there was no need to condescendingly attack my link to Fjordman, who used that very same article to support his case:

… a blog is not a reliable source of information, it is a place for opinions. In the real world there is something called empirical data.

You still have not addressed the very real possibility that Norway’s anti-White regime is suppressing facts concerning immigrant crime.  After all, “85 % of Norway’s MPs have passed a law saying that Norwegians are guilty of discriminating against immigrants until proven otherwise.”

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/norway_is_a_nuthouse/#c52331

Posted by Fred Scrooby on November 28, 2007, 10:20 AM | #

“I think my work here is pretty much done”  (—De-balled)

Let’s hope your work destroying Norway, and the work of those like you, is also “pretty much done” — maybe that unfortunate country stricken, thanks to your ilk, with the nation-state equivalent of AIDS will have a prayer of getting back to normal.  Pray God!

Posted by silver on November 28, 2007, 10:39 AM | #

I agree there are great problems at hand, but recognizing cause and effect somehow seems to be beyond your mental abilities. Saying that a persons skin color alone will automatically make them a rapist is just plain stupid.

It is not their skin color, it is their genes; and there is nothing ‘automatic’ about it.  Nobody is arguing that all blacks are rapists.  The argument is that certain behavioral proclivities are influenced by certain genes and these genes are more (much more) prevalent in black and Arab populations than in white or Asian populations.  This is all scientifically (not a buzzword, it means conclusions reached by following the scientific method) documented.

The world is just not as simple as you people wish it to be.

You will find few people here doing wishing of any kind. 

A more accurate statement is that reality is not as conducive to liberalism as liberals would like it to be.  This is why liberals are forced to lie and obfuscate and feign ignorance, because their beliefs would not even begin to make sense if reality were accurately appraised. (I was always too realistic to be a complete liberal, but reality thumbed its nose at even the meager requests I put to it.  Such is life.)

In ending, appalled, I will repeat what I first said to you, it is the unwillingness of liberals such as yourself to take reality into account which will ineluctably lead your countries to civil war—men such as myself will make sure of it, for I would prefer death a thousand times to seeing my country overrun by negroes or Muslims (that’s Serbia I refer to, not Australia, where I now live but will soon leave).

Posted by silver on November 28, 2007, 10:56 AM | #

But saying that the sub saharan africans were given equal opportunities as northern europeans is just wrong, because the age of enlightenment is the main reason behind the industrial revolution, and during that time the africans were enslaved under colonisation.

Nobody has ever argued that environment (‘slavery’, in this case) has nothing to do with it.  The argument is that environments cannot explain everything.  Nobody argues that Africans could not live better than they do today, nor even that they are incapable of leading meaningful lives; the point is that they will not reach western European standards—ever. 

For that matter, with a national IQ in the low 90s, neither will my own people—not unless eugenic/anti-dysgenic measures are employed; and quite likely not even then, for there seems to be something about Nordic genius that cannot quite be described by IQ alone. 

Nevertheless, it is betterment I seek, not parity.  In the early 20th century, France was the model in that part of the world.  Romanians, for example, are unlikely to have ever created something on the level of French culure on their own, but their efforts to approximate what they could were a cultural flowering for the Romanian people.  Surely this is better than nothing, and surely it is better than the road to (likely permanent) degeneracy currently being followed.

Posted by Robert ap Richard on November 28, 2007, 12:29 PM | #

De-balled blithered:
“Well obviously it’s not because [the coloreds’] criminal behavior is a reaction to a hostile society and/or encouraged by the american entertainment business. You could say the problem is that their race has been singled out to be stereotyped as criminals. It seems you too have bought into this stereotyping.”

Your comments here are so quaint, De-balled.  It’s all “societies” fault, how cute.  How 1960’s, how “progressive.”  I can just see your multi-colored afro wig now, waving that little picture of Chairman Mao.  Ha!  Seriously, Babe, we love your stuff, but we really can’t use any more retro politicos just now.  Till then, don’t call us, we’ll call you.  You dig?  Like, groovy, man, right on, solid.

Posted by Robert ap Richard on November 28, 2007, 12:36 PM | #

De-balled signed off:
“I think my work here is pretty much done, and i hope you guys can learn something from my recent postings. “

Yes, we did.  Thank you for exposing your hatred for Whites and your ignorance of the relevant facts so openly and completely.  You’re a real prince.

Posted by GT on November 28, 2007, 12:41 PM | #

My, my, how timely for this thread!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071127/ts_nm/un_development_index_dc;_ylt=AsMxv60yU8DjHQOPxMrBD8ZKTb8F

Iceland best place to live, Africa worst: UN

Iceland has overtaken Norway as the world’s most desirable country to live in, according to an annual U.N. table published on Tuesday that again puts AIDS-afflicted sub-Saharan African states at the bottom.

So, what was all that noise about culture making the man? 

The real question should be, what does Norway have that Iceland doesn’t ... have?

Answer: Negroes and Pakis.

Remember folks, diversity is our strength!

Posted by Robert ap Richard on November 28, 2007, 01:00 PM | #

Pat Buchanan calls Bush’s faith “democratism.”  Would you say that De-balled here is more like Bush, a democratist, or just a marxist useful idiot?  Frankly, these days, I am unable to detect much of a difference.

Posted by GT on November 28, 2007, 01:18 PM | #

Would you say that De-balled here is more like Bush, a democratist, or just a marxist useful idiot?

Race egalitarianism is about the deconstruction of White civilization. Deconstruction is code for genocide and civilization is code for people. There are different means to that end - democratism, Marxism, whatever.  Asshat the White Norwegian is, first and foremost, a useful idiot.

Asshat: How do you explain my own peoples transformation from barbaric feudal warlords into a highly civilized modern people? Could education somehow be involved? The plot thickens…. 

Our people are educable.  Africans with an IQ of 70 are not.

Posted by GT on November 28, 2007, 04:11 PM | #

The disingenuous asshat calling himself Apalled wrote: For instance, official norwegian statistics point to the fact that ethnic norwegians are far more criminal than immigrants.

A nation’s crime stats often reflect the prevalence of law enforcement or the willingness to report crime by victims and government agencies. Zambia’s ‘reported’ crime rate, for example, is only 5.28 p/1000.

There is a very real possibility that official Norwegian crime statistics concerning non-White crime have been submerged, ‘pencil-whipped’ out of existence, and otherwise under- and non-reported since the publication in 2001 of Oslso’s rape statistics, which purportedly sent Norway’s useful idiots, sycophants, race traitors, and controlling anti-White regime into a state of shock:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece

At the time Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division said the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background were clear trends. Larsen, however, did not want to speculate on the reasons behind the trends.  Why did he refuse to speculate?  There was a climate of fear and his job was at stake.  How do I know this?  Because in April, 2005 – less than four years later – Norway’s parliament passed a draconian law in which cases where direct or indirect discrimination due to religion or ethnicity are suspected, Norwegians are guilty until proven otherwise.  The link to that law is provided in the following post:

http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/norway_is_a_nuthouse/#c52331

‘Apalled’ made a tactical error in asking us to trust Norway’s official statistics. He counted on our ignorance of a draconian law used to suppress Norwegian opposition to the African and Paki cancers.  We can thank Fjordman for enlightening us.  The fact is, in 2007, Norwegians are reluctant to report non-White crime or collect non-White crime information for fear of contravening a draconian law which holds them innocent until proven guilty.

Posted by GT on November 28, 2007, 04:15 PM | #

Arrrgh.

Last sentence: ”... holds them guilty until proven innocent.”

Posted by VLC on November 29, 2007, 02:56 PM | #

apalled:
“Non-white people are not given the same range of stereotypes to choose from, but are instead mostly portrayed as criminals by the media and entertainment business, and hence treated as such by the rest of society.”

treated as such ? hello? maybe in Norway there are not a lot of wiggers but in North America there are a few millions of young decultured white men dressing up like niggers and listening to rap music. I see them every day

They worship The Nigger. They think it’s COOL that so many niggers live the life of criminals. They think it’s COOL that nigger pimps have white prostitutes to sell to their clients. There’s no overt or legal discrimination against blacks and absolutely no cultural discrimination either, to the contrary, car manufacturers use rap music in their ads, you see interracial propaganda everywhere on TV and in movies and in printed ads, on Myspace and other popular ‘networking’ websites you see lots of young people making gang signs as if it was something COOL, Yo Yo Yo I’m a gang member. The Nigger has been placed on the highest cultural pedestal, America has a negrified MTV in-culture.

Only leftists fools living in a parrallel reality filled with myths about the big bad capitalist Satan still think present day America is like the 1950s America. If it was still the 1950s, there wouldn’t be interracial couples and desegregated schools, there wouldn’t be millions of mexicans - illegal or legal it doesn’t matter - running around the country, there wouldn’t be as much violence against whites mostly because blacks would still be afraid of whites’ anger which they aren’t anymore because whites have been wimpyfied by public schools and TV.

You have no idea what you’re talking about

apalled:
“I’m talking about the potential ABUSE of technology to oppress and manipulate populations.”

governments are the bodies most likely to oppress and manipulate populations, with or without technology. The less government the less likely oppressors are going to reach their goals.

apalled:
“If people could be able to live at peace in their homelands there would be no need for massive work immigration or refugee asylums. No need to get all neo-nazi about it.”

our governments allowed them to come here because we weren’t “neo-nazi” enough to threaten our politicians. Last time I checked there was no war in Mexico. And even if there was one it wouldn’t be up to americans to suffer because something bad happens elsewhere. Should all Bengladeshis be transferred to Norway because they were stupid enough to overpopulate their shitty country ?

apalled:
“As usual, second generation non-white immigrants commit more crimes than natives”

that’s reason enough not to let them immigrate, don’t you think ?

Posted by VLC on November 29, 2007, 02:58 PM | #

silver:
“Japanese, Chinese and Koreans have a history of being reviled by the people of the nation’s they settled in but have not become murderers and rapists.”

you’re right. the chinese self-segregate in their chinatowns and criminally speaking they’re not a problem

Posted by VLC on November 29, 2007, 03:02 PM | #

apalled:
“> The Color of Crime
I am not denying the facts of the matter, only your moronic “explanation” of the underlying causes. “

IT’S ...PPPPOOOOOVVVVVVEEEEEERRRRRTTTTTYYYYYYYYY! I knew it, it always is of course. I mean, never mind I live in a province in which 90% of us were poor only 50 years ago (a typical christmas gift for my mother when she was young was an orange) and that there was almost no crime back then, none of that matters, it’s always poverty. Always. NEVER RACE. Never.

apalled:
“Well obviously it’s not because their criminal behavior is a reaction to a hostile society and/or encouraged by the american entertainment business.”

so they rape norwegian women in response to not be worshipped enough by the natives? Those poor immigrants of the first and second generation! They face so much discrimination and hostility that they are compelled to rape the women of the oppressing majority! How horrible it is to be an african living in Norway! I hope the UN will soon have a resolution to blame the norwegians.

So all you norwegian women spread your legs and submit yourself to Justice. It’s your rightful punishment anyway because you failed to understand the root causes of the immigrant rapes, your own racism. It’s your duty to be sexually available to any immigrant of any race who lives in Norway. Anything else would be racism

apalled:
“Southeast asians are not subject to the same negative stereotyping.”

so poor Lee doesn’t rape and kill people because he sees whites don’t think of him as a rapist and a murdered but poor Leroy rapes and kill because unlike the gook he’s the subject of negative stereotyping. He tells himself “well since them white people think I’m a rapist and a murderer I’m going to rape and kill”. Poor, poor Leroy. My heart is crying. It’s all our fault. We are to blame whenever a black commits a crime. Deep in my heart I knew it but I denied the truth. I no longer can, thanks to you Mr.apalled! You cured me of my denialism!