Passengers do their own profiling

Posted by OPD on August 20, 2006, 03:07 AM | #

Another option is to just not fly anywhere, certainly not for recreational purposes.

Posted by John S Bolton on August 20, 2006, 03:54 AM | #

This would sabotage the liberal order, if airlines could not integrate on government orders.
It shows the people are ready to rebel from being forced to associate with their enemies, they just need some small leadership here and there.
One of the main salients of the power-seekers’ advance, is the accumulation of power to force integration with enemies.
Challenging this, brings the dirty, unrighteous officials up short.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on August 20, 2006, 01:21 PM | #

Our masters are our masters because we suffer them.  It really is that simple.  Just as they are unwilling to defeat guerrillas in the Levant, they will be unwilling to defeat civil disobeyers at home.  Rand may’ve been a subversive cow but she at least provided the title for the Euro-awakening: Atlas Shrugged.  That’s all it’ll take, a shrug.

Posted by John S Bolton on August 21, 2006, 12:16 AM | #

Let’s not take the slavophile bull,  while still respecting eminent ones like Dostoevsky.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 21, 2006, 02:21 AM | #

And today, mindful of his interests but pretending to be interested in universal welfare, “Massoud Shadjareh, the chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: “It is counterproductive, not just because it is going to alienate people who are perceived to be Muslim, but also because terrorists have shown that they will make themselves look completely different to how people perceive them to look.

“By profiling people on the basis of ethnicity or religion we are actually endangering our lives.”

From The Telegraph

Posted by John S Bolton on August 21, 2006, 03:38 AM | #

That’s kind of like saying you’re going to increase your odds of getting robbed by avoiding black areas.

Posted by Alexei on August 21, 2006, 05:19 AM | #

The passengers behaved rationally, contrary to what “The Tories” claimed. I have heard of a similar incident on a Russian charter flight due to leave Egypt a couple of years ago: the passengers insisted that two suspicious-looking women in Islamic dress (who stood aout among the tourist crowd) be removed, and the plane took off without them. A terrible inconvenience for the women, certainly, but perfectly rational attitude from the passengers.

Posted by Alex Zeka on August 21, 2006, 06:03 AM | #

Russia is, ironically enough, one of the few Western places were “people power” still matters. Just to pile on the irony, this is precisely what Lenin is alleged to have wanted, and also precisely what the removal of his ideological heirs has achieved.

Posted by Wulfelth on August 21, 2006, 11:24 AM | #

Guessedworker. Much has recently been said about western converts being used to replace terrorist bombers, so that profiling would be ineffective. Absolute rot. Recruited westerners are just like that Read creature, standing out like a sore thumb. They insist on shaving their heads, growing beards and calling themselves Mohammad, and are mostly obvious loonies. Just add them to the profile. The cultural gap between muslims and normal people is so vast that converts can never entirely attain the level of insanity exhibited by an extremist muslim.
The conservatives are clearly just as treacherous as the rest of the political elite in suggesting that those passangers who walked off the plane were doing what the terrorists wanted them to do. On the contrary they were not doing what the politically elite wanted them to do, just take the risk and shut up!.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 21, 2006, 04:15 PM | #

Welcome to the blog, Welf.  Richard Reid was not a Westerner in any racially useful sense of the word.  He was a half-caste Jamaican, and if we are to avoid slippage into broad cultural definitions that may be of service to our opponents, that point has to be crystal clearly.  For me, Western Man is European Man, Western civilisation European civilisation.  Culture cannot tie me, in my country, to Richard Reid or any other Jamaican.

I agree also that Muslim converts from among the countless non-European nationalities living in our homelands are unlikely to be Europeans, and if there are such they are highly unlikely to be stable psychologically.  I haven’t had the opportunity to proble a white convert.  Perhaps one will come along soon.

Posted by Nick Tamiroff on August 22, 2006, 12:30 AM | #

“It is long past the time when we need to start ‘playing’ the equivalent of smash-mouth football with these [islamofascists]. They’ve got our number, but we don’t yet have theirs. The British are still shocked that people who are born in their country, go to their schools, have British accents and eat fish and chips would kill their fellow Brits. They do so because their allegiance is not to Britain, or to the Queen, but rather to their perverted view of God and the instructions from the hate preachers telling them to go bag some Jews, Christians, Westerners and other ‘infidels.’... This isn’t about ‘civil rights’ and constitutional protection. These people use our Constitution to protect themselves so they can kill us. And this is decidedly not a game. It is life and death. We want to live and they want us dead. Any questions?” —Cal Thomas

Posted by Matthew on August 22, 2006, 01:44 PM | #

Guessedworker, did you hear the story concerning the white Belgian woman who, it is claimed, blew herself up in a suïcide attack in Iraq? 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4484322.stm

I can say that for my country, Holland, the majority of converts are indeed white women. They adopt (or “integrate” to use a word fashionable here now by both the Right and the Left) to their alien spouse’s religious system.  I once saw a report claiming there were thousands of such women. On a sidenote, converts are overrepresented among extremists, but the zeal of a convert has long been noted.

Posted by Guessedworker on August 22, 2006, 05:21 PM | #

Welfurth: Recruited westerners are just like that Read creature, standing out like a sore thumb.

So right.  The pattern repeats:-

Umar Islam, 28, from High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire - also known as Brian Young

... looks to be a half-caste negro/white.