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Rap as Ethnic MobilizationWhen Rap music was getting started, it had a kind of innocence about it and a good conscience. Many of the songs were about having fun at block-parties, growing up, chasing girls, etc. References to drugs and crime were minimal, usually spoken of with some hint of shame, regret, but at any rate not a positive thing or a rite of passage; sexual references were covered with an (admittedly very thin) layer of euphemism; at least some of the original MCs were college-educated middle-class blacks with aspirations to conform and succeed. That was in the 80’s. The only prominent exception to this rule was Public Enemy, a group which according to the accounts of those involved at the time, shocked the audiences of the late 80’s with a politicized and ethnicist/revolutionary tone. Public Enemy’s Chuck D was only recruited into the project after a superhuman effort by Rick Rubin, the Jewish cofounder of Def Jam records(see Def Jam history, linked above). Towards the middle of the 90’s, Rap began to enjoy mainstream commercial success, and also to feel the pull of a darker, more dangerous ethos, present in the background from the beginning: Gangsta rap was born. American Blacks have long been struggling to deal with the problems brought up by assimilation. The emergence of gangsta rap points to a swinging of the pendulum back in the opposite direction, towards deassimilation. I urge everyone to watch this video for an eloquent clarification of this problem, and how most American blacks have chosen to resolve it. These new Gangsta Rappers were probably best represented in the persons of Notorious BIG, Tupac Shakur, Wu-Tang Clan and Eminem. References to sex, drugs and crime became explicit, and there was a kind of race to the bottom as to who could make the most exaggerated claims in the most brutally graphic and straightforward way. It also became standard for rappers to cultivate a criminal image, and their success was often made to rise or fall based on the credibility of their ‘street credentials’, i.e. time spent in jail, years spent selling drugs. The newest generation of rappers seems to want to go farther in this direction, although the lyrical screeds of the 90’s rappers hardly left anything to the imagination. DMX and Nas are two examples of successful rappers who have hit songs which are comprised almost entirely of death threats, intimations of violence, and discussions of apocalyptic future conflicts. What follows is a brief analysis of two hit songs from these artists, and a selection of videos in which one can watch hip-hop ‘grow up’ or evolve. DMX’s hit song Party Up(Up in Here) reached #1 on the Billboard chart in 1999 and it’s album sold 6 million copies. The song contains somewhere between 5 and 7 death threats, two threats of sex-enslavement, many references to killing, including one about murdering a large group of people, apparently. The song is filled with such lyrical gems as:
and who can help recoiling in wonder at the beauty of this aethereal stave:
Another song which came out in 2006, Nas’ Hip-Hop Is Dead reached #46 in the Billboard, and makes a direct reference to a future act of murder, calling it that, in the chorus, which is repeated again and again:
As to his source of inspiration, he lays it out candidly:
Surely we can see that the meta-politics of our era have changed insofar as the scruples of the past, the morality and religion which once supported social stability, have left us. A song that promotes murder receives radio-play. What kind of future does this portend for us? I think it’s safe to say with music like this leaving it’s imprint on a generation of young minds, and with the names I mentioned above figuring prominently in many young black people’s pantheon of heroes, it’s safe to say that mobilization, at least mentally, has already been achieved. Rap music is in part a vehicle for that ethnic mobilization. As such, I say, let us embrace it, it accelerates the inevitable collapse of the shiny soap bubble that is multiracial society.
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Posted by Jean Depression on February 08, 2007, 10:47 AM | # GC and Razib, pack your bags: http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/02/indian_immigran.php 3
Posted by Guessedworker on February 08, 2007, 10:59 AM | # To be brutally frank, JD, I’ve already covered that cheering news in the second half of this post. 5
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on February 08, 2007, 03:58 PM | # Let’s be clear that not every white who buys rap albums is a wigger; not every white who buys a rap album is even negro-friendly. I bought an NWA tape when Straight Outta Compton came out. It was very popular in the circles I ran in (that and the Beastie Boys’ first rap album). The sounds, and the antisocial/antiheroic lyrics were the draw, which overcame the fact that niggers had produced them (I don’t communicate with ephithets all the time, but that was precisely what most blacks were to me and my friends). I outgrew rap in the early-90s, but I still know southern males who listen to it; they don’t particularly like blacks either. In fact, I know very few white males with no animus toward blacks. The few who spring to mind are themselves roughly equivalent to blacks in IQ, SES, etc. Yes, black culture is regarded as legitimate by many whites, and has penetrated the white consciousness to a disgusting extent, but wiggers are not the only whites who buy rap albums. (btw, I know and have known more than a few nigger-hating “wiggers”) All that said, I don’t doubt that whites are the rap industry’s main cash cow. 6
Posted by Englander on February 08, 2007, 04:47 PM | # Whites are indeed the major buyers of rap music. I would categorise the likes of NWA and Snoop Dogg as the truest (and worst) Gangsta rap. Wu Tang and Tupac were not nearly as bad as those early nineties groups. It embarrasses me that I ever liked rap music. I grew out of it when I entered my twenties. 7
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 08, 2007, 05:21 PM | # Blackophilia and Blackophobia: White Youth, the Consumption of Rap Music, and White Supremacy “This paper uses the phenomenon of White youth identification with rap music to argue that Blackophilia (manifested by White consumption of Black popular culture) is linked with Blackophobia (fear and dread of African Americans). Coexistent with White youth fascination with hip-hop culture and African American athletes and celebrities is the continuing manifestation of White youth resistance to programs that challenge institutional racism and the attraction of small but significant numbers of White youth to far-right White supremacist groups. The author argues that these phenomena may be best understood as interrelated aspects of White supremacy.” $29.00 USD [that’s $135.00 CDN White youth’s fascination with black atheletes? How about white media’s feckless fawning;
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Posted by Robert of the Rohorrim on February 08, 2007, 05:24 PM | # “Let’s be clear that not every white who buys rap albums is a wigger” Wrong. What you listen to tells the world about how you think, about your aesthetic sensibilties, how logical you are, your emotional well-being, etc. Whites who buy cRAP are wiggers—they are black of soul, damaged deep on the inside. 9
Posted by Al Ross on February 08, 2007, 06:59 PM | # With regard to White admiration for Black music, it is well known that Eric Clapton is a Delta blues fan and has, in the past, voiced support for the BNP. 10
Posted by Bud White on February 08, 2007, 07:01 PM | # “I don’t doubt that whites are the rap industry’s main cash cow.” I’ve read reports that whites account for 80%+ of all “cRAP” and Hip-Hop revenues. The truth is: whites are being led blindly by the nose to participate in - and finance - their own cultural degradation. Once our culture is debauched, there can be no self respect. Without self respect, there is no racial pride, and it all continues to snowball downhill from there…... 11
Posted by Lurker on February 08, 2007, 07:46 PM | # It used to be that most rap was distributed amongst the balck population via pirate tapes. Its the suburban white kids who actually finance the enterprise. Slightly O/T, Ive just been to Scandanavia and was struck by the almost total lack of chavs (British readers will understand) on the street, the underclass dont seem to exist there. Its not that RnB/rap etc are not heard there but at some level it hasnt penetrated the culture it has in the UK and US. 12
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on February 08, 2007, 07:54 PM | # All I’m saying is that the picture is more complex than “listen to rap? Then you’re a white nigger.” Hell, much of so-called “black culture” is blacks appropriating white southern culture. E.g., I actually know where baggy, down-around-the-ass pants came from, and it wasn’t blacks - it was preppy white kids in the south in the 80s; at the time, blacks were all into tight pants. Much of so-called “black” speech patterns actually evolved from southern youth culture - white and black. As I said, I know white guys who listen to rap and hate niggers. Does it make sense? No. Does it make them spiritually somewhat niggerized? Probably. Does it mean they like blacks? Nope. 13
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on February 08, 2007, 07:58 PM | # To expand, when I moved to Maryland from Georgia was my first exposure to real wiggers in any numbers. I don’t mean white teens incorporating or emulating some aspects of black culture, I mean bona fide, dyed-in-the-wool wiggers: white teens who dressed black, talked black, listened to black music, girls who did their hair like black girls, wore jewelry like blacks, the whole nine yards. You know them when you see them, and they’re a whole ‘nother animal. 14
Posted by Matra on February 08, 2007, 08:08 PM | #
Isn’t Clapton Jewish? Delta blues is not only preferably to rap but most pop and rock.
I think chavs and the white underclass in general would be more likely to resist race replacement than fashionable middle and upper class liberals. Here are some of the words to a Cypress Hill rap song from the early 90s that some of my (white) ex-work colleagues in Ireland listened to:
It’s hard to imagine such rubbish not having a negative impact on those who listened to it. That said, a white listening to rap lyrics can be left with little doubt about how blacks feel about whites. Maybe those at NPR and the BBC who have an idealised view of minorities should be forced to listen to some rap. 15
Posted by Englander on February 08, 2007, 08:17 PM | # Slightly O/T, Ive just been to Scandanavia and was struck by the almost total lack of chavs (British readers will understand) on the street, the underclass dont seem to exist there. Its not that RnB/rap etc are not heard there but at some level it hasnt penetrated the culture it has in the UK and US. I think it would be a mistake to blame rap for the chav, and conclude that the lack of chavs in Sweden has something to do with lack of penetration of black culture. Britain just seems to have a knack for producing a fairly large underclass in comparison to other white nations. I suspect the British IQ bell curve is a wide one. 16
Posted by Seldimseen on February 08, 2007, 08:36 PM | # The point is that you cannot make generalizations about an art form that your particular perspective does not allow you to understand. Not all rap is trash, although a good deal is. Not all heavy metal, or pop music is trash, although a good deal of it is. How do you feel so entitled to make assumptions about a people you don’t understand on the basis of an art form you don’t understand? Open up, people. There’s good and bad in all things and in all people. Open up. The man who knows something knows that he knows nothing at all… 17
Posted by seldimseen on February 08, 2007, 08:43 PM | # Acyually, having read more of the posts on this forum, I’m ebarassed for some of you. Racism is a tool to divide people. We’re no different. Why do people place so much emphasis on skin color? Why not eye color or shoe size? Its just that trivial. I hope some of you more damaged people can get over yourselves and rejoin the human race… 18
Posted by Al Ross on February 08, 2007, 09:08 PM | # I dont believe Clapton is Jewish. I would infer this by the fact that he was married in St Mary Magdalen’s Church, Ripley, Surrey, in which churchyard both his son and his grandmother (who raised him) are buried. 22
Posted by stari_momak on February 09, 2007, 12:14 AM | # I think I’ve read that Jared Taylor is also a blues fan. I myself think some forms of black music are great. However, the greatest era of black music was during a time when whites were confident of our own culture. Black acts seeking true success had to emulate whites in certain respects. Look at the classic Motown acts. Clean cut, nice suits etc. 23
Posted by JB on February 09, 2007, 01:00 AM | #
they’re the minority Seldimseen:
chill owt bruddah, we’re just looking at the big picture. The value of the music created by blacks is irrelevant but on the other hand its instrumentalization by hate filled liberals and jews in the war against whites is. The destruction of a sense of racial identity among whites lead many of them to become wiggers. It isn’t a rational choice, many teens simply pick up the identities that are presented to them because there’s no alternative and everyone needs some kind of identity. The lack of a positive white identity and of white models leads to alienation. White is bad, black is good, that’s the mantra repeated over and over in various forms. Our mission is to break the spell before it’s too late. You can go ramble ‘bout skin colah n eqwality ‘n shit elsewhere, we hear that broken record all day long and we’ve probably have already debunked all the arguments you can come up with. But know that if you decide to go back to Africa you can count on us to support you morally 24
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on February 09, 2007, 02:04 AM | #
I was just discussing kubaya-we-are-the-world “unity” crapola with a friend. My explanation for him was basically, what’s the point of a club if everyone in the world is a member? There is no point. Any group that includes all of humanity is no longer a group, and is inherently reduced to zero value. As for blacks, lol, I know them quite well. They’re not that deep. I grew up around them and there’s no mystery there. Btw, De La Soul isn’t really rap (and you might’ve mentioned Tribe Called Quest if you were a bit older). Still, doesn’t mean Rap in general isn’t a turd, even if there are a few flakes of gold in it.
Not in the south they aren’t. 26
Posted by Englander on February 09, 2007, 10:23 AM | # I get a little bit embarrassed for people so uninformed to think that us racists are obsessed with skin colour, like we are merely dealing with teams with different colour jerseys. 27
Posted by Amalek on February 09, 2007, 10:25 AM | # From Duke Ellington, it’s been a long way down. 28
Posted by Bud White on February 09, 2007, 11:03 AM | # “As for blacks, lol, I know them quite well. They’re not that deep. I grew up around them and there’s no mystery there.” Yeah, but they can sure can sing, dance, and know how to play with a ball! Btw—I acually liked some of the RAP genre when it first hit the scene. ie Grand Master Flash. 29
Posted by Robert of the Rohorrim on February 09, 2007, 11:12 AM | # Dear Assorted Antiwhite Visitors, I have a serious question for you, if you don’t mind. Why do you think it is OK for all other racial groups to form their own associations, charities, political action groups, law-enforcement coalitions, etc, etc., but not OK for whites? Any white grouping, however small, is attacked viciously, mercilessly. I would like to know, honestly, why do you think that’s fair? This is something we thinking people cannot figure out about you. It’s really mind-boggling. 30
Posted by PF on February 09, 2007, 02:46 PM | # Hi Guys, I value Africans for being direct, for being manly in an era where whites are taught not to be, or not allowed to be, and blacks, probably because of their high testosterone, simply cannot be made to be effeminate in the same way whites are made to be. The thing I hate much more than blacks is effeminate whites, because if we hadnt generated the one, we would still have the other under control. Dealing with blacks will be an afterthought after we cure ourselves of our own inner weaknesses, and the sick and corrosive lovey-dovey anti-masculine air we have been breathing for decades now. And as for those of you who like to make fun of rap, calling it trash: it probably is trash, and I imagine I wont listen to it forever, but it is the perfect anti-dote to the romantic love and universalist drivel ala U2 which contains much more musicianship but is in fact the music of the damned. I would rather listen to songs about killings and pseudo-para-military organizations and using women than songs about universal brotherhood, coming together, and worshipping women and putting them on a pedestal. Ive had enough of that filth, honestly. We are sick to death of sweets, collectively we are like a fat kid who just ate a thousand brownies. 31
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 09, 2007, 03:08 PM | # I would rather listen to songs about killings and pseudo-para-military organizations and using women than songs about universal brotherhood, coming together, and worshipping women and putting them on a pedestal. You don’t need to turn to Africa. A simple journey to the past will tell you all you need to know about our people, romantic love and white masculinity.
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Posted by PF on February 09, 2007, 03:34 PM | # Hi Desmond, Your right, theres plenty of good stuff in the past and I already got my ‘big fix’ from Middle Ages and Dark Ages history. But why cant we absorb memes from other peoples? 33
Posted by Robert ap Richard on February 09, 2007, 04:21 PM | # “Rap is meaningful to me for the same reason that African history is important to me. Because it shows that our conception of the world need not be as tainted with idealism and abstract conceptual fluff as it is. Finally it is something other than niceness and beauty, which I have had enough of, frankly- especially since the niceness and beauty nowadays on offer is grubby and has everyones paw marks on it. Its common- its not worth having. “I value Africans for being direct, for being manly in an era where whites are taught not to be, or not allowed to be, and blacks, probably because of their high testosterone, simply cannot be made to be effeminate in the same way whites are made to be. The thing I hate much more than blacks is effeminate whites, because if we hadnt generated the one, we would still have the other under control. “ PF, I think it is wonderful that you black people are celebrating your own culture and trying to be yourselves. When you feel free to be yourself then you will respect Whites who do the same. Thank you for your honesty and integrity. Word up, Homey. 34
Posted by Office Drone on February 09, 2007, 04:27 PM | # Mr. Jones, 35
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 09, 2007, 04:58 PM | # But why cant we absorb memes from other peoples? Evolution. KMac writes:
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Posted by PF on February 09, 2007, 07:17 PM | # “PF, I think it is wonderful that you black people are celebrating your own culture and trying to be yourselves. When you feel free to be yourself then you will respect Whites who do the same. Thank you for your honesty and integrity. Word up, Homey.” I’ll reveal my true self: Im more angry at the weaknesses of whites than I am at whatever silliness and crassness and insanity blacks are capable of. No matter how much vitriol you store up for whites who listen to rap, it wont make these black gangsters anything more than pawns in a much, much larger game. So your above admiring any single facet of black culture- great. White culture is diseased and poisoned enough to kill us all 100 times over- so, put on some Dixie Chicks, and go worship your inner child, faggot. 37
Posted by alex zeka on February 10, 2007, 07:37 AM | # Dealing with blacks will be an afterthought after we cure ourselves of our own inner weaknesses, and the sick and corrosive lovey-dovey anti-masculine air we have been breathing for decades now. And as for those of you who like to make fun of rap, calling it trash: it probably is trash, and I imagine I wont listen to it forever, but it is the perfect anti-dote to the romantic love and universalist drivel ala U2 which contains much more musicianship but is in fact the music of the damned. I would rather listen to songs about killings and pseudo-para-military organizations and using women than songs about universal brotherhood, coming together, and worshipping women and putting them on a pedestal. Ive had enough of that filth, honestly. We are sick to death of sweets, collectively we are like a fat kid who just ate a thousand brownies. Try the Clash, Guns of Brixton. When they knock on your front door/ How you gonna come?/ With your hands on your head/ Or on the trigger of your gun? 38
Posted by JB on February 11, 2007, 01:52 AM | # Bud White:
was it you I heard on Goyfire or FTL talking about how you were a wigger in high school ? When I look back at my high school years and the people I knew it makes me realize that high school is an incubator for lots of poisonous trends because of the peer pressure and the general lack of direction or hierarchy. Everything was so fake and pointless and ‘other-directed’, I can’t believe how stupid and worthless it all was. If only I could get a refund for all those wasted years. I doubt MTV or television itself would be as popular as it is today if there were no high schools and everyone would instead be home schooled or schooled in small groups of less than ten before going to colleges or universities, even if the schooling at home was neutral not ethnocentric or anything. There’s something really bad about gathering hundreds of young people in the same place, separating them by age instead of ability, intelligence or interests, making them do boring and useless stuff at a egalitarian slow pace and forbidding them to make individual efforts by having everyone stay for a predetermined amount of time. It creates sub-societies isolated from the realities of the world. And I didn’t fit in that context, I felt a disconnection between myself and the juvenile teenages I was surrounded by. I was looking for something more, something above. 39
Posted by Bud White on February 11, 2007, 07:58 AM | # “Bud White: LOL, Not even close! When I was is High School, the term wigger wasn’t in the lexicon. I was a pot smoking, party animal who listened to Led Zeppelin, Savoy Brown, and The Stones et Al. With few exceptions such as some Blues artists, and Oldies rock and roll (50’s and early 60’s era), I never had a real affinity for black musicians. As far as “Grand Master Flash” goes, I heard ONE of his pieces several times on the radio(I don’t recall the title) and thought it was different, interesting, and pretty good acually. Btw- Even during my “sex, drugs, and rock&roll” days, I was NEVER a liberal; I have always had a clear perception of the problems Negroes present to Western societies. I hope that answers you question? 40
Posted by Robert of the Rohirrim on February 11, 2007, 10:03 AM | # PF: “I’ll reveal my true self: Im more angry at the weaknesses of whites than I am at whatever silliness and crassness and insanity blacks are capable of.” You enjoy black music, a large chunk of which promotes killing and raping of White women and children and demands the degradation of everything that is good and decent. Worse, the profits from this music that you buy go to blacks and Jews who obviously hate Whites. And you would attack anyone who calls you on your love for this “music”? You have proven my point: You are black of soul. Your mind is too weak to see what you are doing to yourself and to Whites, your soul is too rotten to care. 41
Posted by PF on February 11, 2007, 01:06 PM | # I think Robert of the Rohirrim’s post is a good example of the kind of neutered, cozy, pipe-smoking 1950’s WN that defends “everything that is good and decent” from the comfort of a thickly upholstered armchair. This thinking utterly fails to grasp the real mechanics of history, which operate almost totally independently of our “the good and decent”. As long as we maintain these Happy Days memes, most of our past will remain flatly inaccessible to us, There is not enough place here to answer at length the questions implicitly posed by this discussion, but I hope that the entire body of my writings, of which many more are still to come, can be taken as a refutation of this point of view. One more step away from the Vikings, one more step towards an eternity of faggotized Jew-worshipping “Decency”- thats how I understand this still-born Tolkien/Lord of The Rings/White Picket Fence WNism. For me decency is a social pleasantry, a way of acting in society with maximum good effect: for you it hangs somehow together with the integrity of one’s soul. To answer the individual aspects of your post, I never gave anyone a dime for Rap music, ever. I never listened to Rap music which preached violence against whites- how could I? And yes, my soul is completely, utterly black, although this Fantasy Novel terminology rings alot more hollow to me than it probably does to you. I dont believe in the White Knight on the White Horse, I dont believe that Good(TM) will vanquish Evil(TM), and I dont want to go to Heaven. A nation-state with contiguous well-defended borders and a population with my same background sounds like heaven to me. I have thrown away “decency” as an absolutist moral yardstick- and yet I thrive! I understand the world better, myself better, and I still behave like a gentleman most of the time. My soul is rotten.. and it feels great!! 42
Posted by Robert of the Rohirrim on February 11, 2007, 05:09 PM | # You couldn’t be more wrong. All of your phrases come right from FoxSnooze, RushLimbaugh, Hannitie, and VD Hanson; what a mindless clone. You think that anything good and decent is faggy or Jewish. Your type is parodied very well in the movie Idiocracy. But, c’mon, black culture “appreciator”, tell us more about how to be White. 43
Posted by PF on February 11, 2007, 06:16 PM | # Hey Robert, Actually the people who I got my ideas from were mainly Nietzsche, Guy Debord, Lawrence of Arabia, The War Nerd, Jared Taylor, Sam Francis, Kevin MacDonald, various comic books and the backs of cereal boxes. I’m perfectly willing to let you maintain your idea of ‘good and decent’ - as a taste, not as a absolutist paradigm or a framework for understanding the world. There are alot of situations where acting ‘good and decent’ is actually the worst thing to do- many situations where one should do precisely the opposite of what is good and decent. I don’t want to tell you how to ‘be white’- you are white, period. But I find the implication of your statements interesting: you really seem to think we have nothing to learn from other peoples. Nothing? Im not talking about in toto evaluations: I dont want to “become Chinese” or “become Black”- obviously its impossible anyway. Nor do I want to import systems whose strongly conserved memetic association and genetic outflow would destroy us- i.e. Islam. But here we are, our historical culture is played out and at an end or at least a turning point, and I have all the surgical tools out on the table, have my surgical gloves on, and we are dissecting old systems of thought deciding what elements to keep and what to throw away. Anything we do will look “typically white” anyway, after we start doing it and it gains momentum with us. Just like the sublimest flights of fancy which the negro mind is capable of still smell faintly like ghetto-piss, even in our roughest hooliganism one can rediscover traces of brilliance and subliminity. We dont have to guard it by copying old forms, it springs from us effortlessly as a result of our genetics. That being said, I’m also for cautiousness and circumspection in the adoption of foreign memes. Its tricky, very dangerous business. But those memes are most dangerous which stem from intellectually astute peoples capable of manipulation- and these memes we have been importing like poisonous fruit since the Roman Empire began to decay. This work began as an operation to remove the cancer which plagues us- at least in theory, we have a good idea of how to do this. Now the question is- do we see any good ideas, either from our past, or from other peoples, which we want to add to the memetic pie while were at it? I say add a pinch of violent, testosterone-reeking machismo a la the black Gangstas, we need it desperately. Our young men look like wilted flowers. 44
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2007, 06:18 PM | # One more step away from the Vikings, one more step towards an eternity of faggotized Jew-worshipping “Decency”- thats how I understand this still-born Tolkien/Lord of The Rings/White Picket Fence WNism. Then you misunderstand it. Adam Smith wrote:
It is us and that which we hold dear. We are not savages. And thus Aragorn’s words embrace the fullness of that being, that decency and propriety and are compelling. “By all that we hold dear on this Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!” 45
Posted by W.LindsayWheeler on February 11, 2007, 09:02 PM | # I don’t consider myself “white”. I am not White but European of the Hellenic Race of the Doric Tribe. If you are all interested in music you should know Plato’s Theory of Music. Music teaches the Soul. Socrates said, “When the modes of the music change, so do the laws of the state.” That is why the Doric Greeks passed Xenelasia. Music is both a reflection of the soul and a shaper of the soul. Jazz and Black Music is the production of the African Soul. When Europeans listen to African music—it then forms Europeans into Africans. Jazz and Blues should be verboten for all Europeans. Only true European Music should be listened to Classical Music or their own ethnic folk music! Music is very powerful, i suggest you read or re-read Plato’s Republic on the effects of music on the soul. 46
Posted by Robert of the Rohirrim on February 11, 2007, 09:13 PM | # PF, we have become soft, it is true. And we can learn from other peoples. However, emulating their barbaric behavior is counterproductive. Just because something has force does not make it desireable. I doubt that Neitzche would’ve listened to rap, he had too much class for that. Whites used to have a culture worth emulating; it seemed that everyone wanted to be us. We reached for high culture in the writings of our ancient forefathers, the Greeks and Romans. We held onto and further developed our own, hard-won institutions, which we developed over hundreds of years in Northern Europe. We were very strong yet at the same time, we were supremely civilized. Our standards were high in justice, fighting, even in art and philosophy. Even the Germans and the Celts, historians are discovering now, were much more civilized than the Romans gave them credit for. We’ve got to toughen up but I do not think that the overall models we want place before our young men are Vikings and pirates jamming to jungle drums. We have a much, much richer history to draw on than that, many heroes and peoples that were strong and virtuous at the same time. 47
Posted by PF on February 12, 2007, 12:49 PM | # Robert, Yeah, I think your basically right. I think this particular problematic is especially interesting and I hope to discuss it further in future posts and threads, although with our present framework things are abit too basic. The arguments Desmond brought up also have to be answered. I need some more time to think about stuff and then this subject will be up again. Thanks for the input. 48
Posted by carrier on February 14, 2007, 03:05 PM | # “(btw, I know and have known more than a few nigger-hating “wiggers”)” Ha! So have I. Very common in the south, as you have already noted. You also see this is in the urban northeast with lots of working class whites, particularly Italians. They hate niggers but worship 50 Cent. 49
Posted by Cashflow420 on July 14, 2008, 02:41 AM | # I don’t know what kind of rap you people listen to, but this bay area mobb shit is the hardest and has the most meaning. 50
Posted by silver on October 01, 2008, 09:55 PM | #
It’s a very similar story in Australia. Most ethnics in my town kept to rock/metal when rap first exploded on the scene in the early 90s, but my cousin and I bucked the trend and took to it for a while (NWA, Ice-Cube, Ice-T, later Tupac, Biggie). My cousin hated the anti-white overtones and, though we knew nothing about blacks other than what we’d seen in movies, would rail against them with language I found shocking even though I agreed with him. There was one movie in which Ice-T was levelling the standard black accusation about whites keeping the black man down (New Jack City?) and my cousin finally lost his patience and denounced blacks as entirely full of shit. He’s now in theological college but, most amusingly to me, speaks in the most disparaging language about africans, confiding to me that he can’t help it but he’s never liked them. His devotion to the Church, though he won’t admit it, is an ethnic attachment (Greek), and he regularly complains about Indians or Asians who attend service (they should find their own church). Being of a rebellious nature, I enjoyed the grittiness of rap as it tended to reflect the hard-knock social views of the working class friends whose company I often preferred over that of my family’s social pretensions. There’s a rawness to it which, in these dark times, can urge a lower SES white to eschew certain social conventions in favor of a toughness of mind and steadiness of purpose, a fixation on righting the wrongs done him. You could find some use for rap in this sense, especially with the constant reminders the lyrics provide of what blacks really think of you. Next entry: For Your Daughters Previous entry: Tired and liberal in Peckham - UPDATED 8th FEBRUARY |
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Posted by Al Ross on February 07, 2007, 09:23 PM | #
Black GI to General on being informed of ‘Operation Get Behind The Nigger’ :
“Sir, aint you hearda the Emancipation Proclamation”?
” No,I never listen to Hip Hop”.
From South Park.