Revolution and Morality

Posted by GR on April 28, 2009, 12:26 PM | #

Billions will die. We will win. It will not be equal.  It will not be just.  But it will be survival.

Can anyone else hear Don LaFontaine intoning this melodramatic nonsense?

Posted by EuroNationalist on April 28, 2009, 02:06 PM | #

I like it. Melodramatic, yes, but I think it’s this sort of talk that may jolt a few Whites into reality. The notion that we will take back our territories through voting and writing letters to the editor, is dangerous nonsense. Even if we decide to “play by the rules” and work within the current political process, the power elites are likely to execute a violent response, which, in turn, may shock more Whites out of their consumerist stupor. Either way, people are going to die. Let’s just ensure that it’s not our people who succumb.

Posted by GR on April 28, 2009, 02:23 PM | #

IN A WORLD ....

WHERE EVIL .... TRIUMPHS OVER GOOD ....

WHERE JEWS DECIDE WHAT IS WRONG .... AND RIGHT ...

THE FATE OF WHITE HUMANITY .... RESTS .... IN THE HANDS .... OF THESE MEN ...

[clips of the MR gang in heroic postures]

ON [insert month] 20[insert date of inevitable collapse / mass awakening / revolution]

THE TABLES .... WILL .... TURN

BILLIONS WILL DIE ....

WE WILL WIN ....

IT WON’T BE JUST ...

BUT IT WILL BE ...

[cut to action shots]

[big][big]~~SURVIVAL~~[/big][/big]

Posted by GR on April 28, 2009, 02:24 PM | #

goddang tags

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 28, 2009, 02:31 PM | #

“On the other hand, liberals are constantly concerned with social equality and egalitarianism (fairness),”  (—from the log entry)

Social equality and the rest of the “fairness” liberals want isn’t “fairness” when imposed by government bent on race-replacement (as all Eurosphere governments currently are, to one degree or another).  It’s totalitarianism.

“And what about the Jews?  The Jews are a group that highly values in-group loyalty and exclusivity, and takes advantage of liberal ideology.  Liberals in the media, particularly, encourage the idea of total equality as moral, weakening the white group.  And this leaves the Jews in an incredibly strong position.  Jews love the idea of equality because it weakens other groups and strengthens their own, and does so under the mask of morality.”

Very, very, very well put.

As for GR’s comment, I get the feeling from a number of his comments that he is here trying to triangulate himself away from both our side and the race-replacers.  I don’t know what his game is exactly.

Posted by Søren Renner on April 28, 2009, 02:47 PM | #

As for GR’s comment, I get the feeling from a number of his comments that he is here trying to triangulate himself away from both our side and the race-replacers.  I don’t know what his game is exactly.

I don’t know what his game is exactly. Therefore I know precisely how to treat him. The analogy is to the functioning of the immune system—ie self vs not-self is not determined by the recognition of not-self as not-self but by the nonrecognition of not-self as self.

Well done, móssydóttir.

Posted by Captainchaos on April 28, 2009, 03:03 PM | #

GR is attempting to sabotage while he feigns non-hostility.

Posted by Luciferian Lightbringer of the Illuminated Zigurat on April 28, 2009, 03:27 PM | #

Billions will die?

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Tell you what. This is “R.C.Christian” clearance level, classified information I give you here, but you do realize that us evil, elitist, globalists, kind of wouldn’t mind if the population just “happened” to drop to, say, 500 million, right? It will be good for the environment as well.

I believe the current plan still is the reduction of the global birth rate to 2, nice and smoothly, but there’s always other means. My favorite are the derivatives of that old pentagon “gay bomb” research.

I hear that the new GMO soya is fabulous!

Posted by White Western Man on April 28, 2009, 03:34 PM | #

It will not be equal.  It will not be just.  But it will be survival.

Survival being the key (and final) word in this post - White survival.  Instead of continuing to use a dicey term like “nationalism” which is so often associated or otherwise linked with things like “supremacy/supremacism,” “racism,” “ethnochauvinism,” “divisiveness,” and of course “National(ist) socialism,” it seems to me that White nationalists/pro-White activists ought to start re-framing this debate in order to appeal to a wider White audience, because this is truly about the long-term survival of European Whites as a distinct racial subgroup more than anything else.  Whites are only about 10-15% of the overall world population (and declining in many countries), whilst other racial groups make up approximately the other 85-90% of the world’s population and are still rapidly expanding. 

Perhaps instead of the nebulous, controversial, and rather loaded phrase of “White nationalism” we ought to start referring to the “White survival” movement, or the “White preservation” movement ... because surely all of the other ethnic/racial groups on Earth (except Jews) do not object to White survival/White preservation?

Posted by Wandrin on April 28, 2009, 07:03 PM | #

Can anyone else hear Don LaFontaine intoning this melodramatic nonsense?

Since the 1950s there’s been a population explosion in the third world. This only happened and can only continue because of western medical care, massive food surpluses and food aid.

The western economies cannot be sustained at their current levels while replacing their native popultation with people who are on average dramatically more stupid. It is not possible.

Therefore, yes, billions will definitely die unless mass immigration is stopped and reversed.

Posted by Wandrin on April 28, 2009, 07:30 PM | #

1.  Harm and Care
2.  Fairness and Reciprocity
3.  In-group and Loyalty
4.  Authority and Respect
5.  Purity and Sanctity

Interesting list. I could see how nationalist-related arguments could be sub-divided into those five categories and used on different audiences. Stressing the last three categories might be the most effective with small “c” conservatives i.e tepid nationalists, whereas “flipped” arguments based on the first two categories might be most effective on faux left-liberals i.e people who are instinctive nationalists underneath but who go along with left-liberal ideas because of media brainwashing.

Posted by Thunder on April 28, 2009, 07:35 PM | #

I assume mossydottir is an Icelandic female.  Any female of this frame of mind is exceptional.  Good read and thanks for the link.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 28, 2009, 07:51 PM | #

Yes, I’d like to know more about this lady.  What’s the score, Soren?

Thunder,

On another note, thanks for the support on that Goldberg thread.  I’m having another chat with a Jew on Daniel Hannan’s blog at the Telegraph.  My stuff starts at the bottom of this page:-

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan/blog/2009/04/27/we_must_speak_to_and_for_the_soul_of_the_united_kingdom?com_num=20&com_pg=2

But my interlocutor, who is m.sher, weighs in half-way down the next page.  He’s not very dangerous.

Posted by Josef Vicelwitz on April 28, 2009, 10:51 PM | #

The western economies cannot be sustained at their current levels while replacing their native popultation with people who are on average dramatically more stupid. It is not possible.

This is something one has long suspected.

However it does beg the question, don’t The Elites know this???  Or did they buy into their own propaganda???

Or do the jews in power just not care that the house of cards falls as long as lots of Whites are Race-Replaced in the process???

Posted by Loriver on April 29, 2009, 09:34 AM | #

Do not be afraid to consider group loyalty moral.  Ignore the idea that you are immoral if you do not believe in equality as the ultimate goal.  It is not the ultimate goal.

My advice: don’t think in terms of ‘morality’ because it is all nonsense. There is no ultimate goal, no moral or immoral, no natural rights; these are all mythical ideas having no basis in practical rationality. Rather you should just consider your own desires, and the best way to realise them.

Of course these desires may approximate ‘goodness’ and ‘morality’ quite well, I would hope they do, but it is advisable to think clearly and dispense with these ideas as true guides to action.

You are quite right then, if you have no interest in racial equality then it is rational for you to ignore any appeal or demand in its name. The same goes for anti-racists though; if they are not interested in kinship and reproduction, there is no reason for them to accept racialism.

Posted by zuwr on April 29, 2009, 10:23 AM | #

Morality is eugenic.  Immorality is dysgenic.

Posted by Thunder on April 29, 2009, 10:53 PM | #

GW:

I’m chiming in at the Telegraph as nipigon but will have to fit it in between bouts of work.  My boss has this obsession with me being productive while on his dollar and since he is my wife’s brother I try to keep on good terms with him.

I can’t email you directly but I want you to know that whatever I submit you should feel free to delete or edit as you determine most useful.  I do not know what your policy is but as Matt Nuenke says “Nothing else matters but the future.”

Posted by GR on April 30, 2009, 10:43 AM | #

Therefore, yes, billions will definitely die unless mass immigration is stopped and reversed.

Spurious dovetail. Billions will live increasingly uncomfortably with each other; we among them. It hasn’t occurred to anyone that postulating the death of BILLIONS of souls might just be an imaginary way out of this discomfort? Or tell me the last time an anonymous Icelandic female accurately predicted a major demographic trend. Are you all quite sure “billions will die” or do you mistake your sublimated tongue-wagging for science? Don’t sell yourselves short — each of you is smarter than this.

Scrooby,

I get the feeling from a number of his comments that he is here trying to triangulate himself away from both our side and the race-replacers.  I don’t know what his game is exactly.

Your problem is thinking I have a “game”. Just pointing to a bit of absurdity. Soren’s gotten to be a bigger weirdo than CvH. Otherwise you’re right on target.

Posted by Wandrin on April 30, 2009, 10:25 PM | #

Josef Vicelwitz,

However it does beg the question, don’t The Elites know this???  Or did they buy into their own propaganda??? Or do the jews in power just not care that the house of cards falls as long as lots of Whites are Race-Replaced in the process???

I’d guess the elites imported cheap labour intially without considering the IQ question - partly because not so long ago you could use vast amounts of unskilled labour whereas now you need much bigger proportions who are at the very least semi-skilled and able to read and write properly. They also didn’t used to have to compete with China’s virtually unlimited cheap and intelligent labour. I’m not sure it matters if they realise their mistake yet or not as the proportion of jews among the elite must be far higher now than in the 1950s and I think they’re too obsessed with turning White people into a minority to care about the long-term.

Also, the jews may have created cultural marxism, the holocult and White original sin but now it has taken on a life of its own. Guilty white liberals go off to Africa to reduce the child mortality rate and so a village ends up with more people than they can feed and so other white liberals raise money to provide food aid for the village and round and round it goes.

I think most of it is unintended consequences like that mixed in with the ever-increasing jewish proportion of the elite blinding themselves to reality because of their paranoia towards White people.

GR,

Spurious dovetail. Billions will live increasingly uncomfortably with each other; we among them. It hasn’t occurred to anyone that postulating the death of BILLIONS of souls might just be an imaginary way out of this discomfort?

A bit spurious maybe. I don’t see it as a way out though as increasing discomfort in the third world will lead to ever bigger migrations to the west which would eventually lead to the west not being able to feed itself either.

Posted by Steven E. Romer on May 01, 2009, 07:04 AM | #

They forgot maybe the #1 ROOT of all morality TRUTH. Where does that fall in the list? You can even interpret TRUTH (in the form of objective knowledge of and accurate reaction to the environment) as the entire impetus of evolution when you consider that we now have the ability to survive in so many different environments and even go to other planets eventually…

Mere survival is not morality, and many mere survival motives are DEADLY SINS in religions for good reason. They compromise the long-term viability of our people—both because they are bad in themselves and compromise the long-term well-being, and because they become bad as primary motives displacing higher motives. Gluttony and lying are two examples. All morality basically depends on following truth. There is no justice at all without truth. There is no freedom without truth. Democracy does not matter (or lets say voting…) without truth both being available, and without people having the ability to discern the truth. ANY blind biological drive can get us into trouble—as when our care drives bring us to raise pets instead of children, or coddle criminals because they are like children mentally even though they are adults… Or when safety issues compromise freedom which is necessary for the survival of truth, etc.

These “moralities” all seem sort of childish since they leave out the higher path of truth—which I show in my book “The Textbook of the Universe: The Genetic Ascent to God” is the highest goal of all life and the root of both science and religion.

Posted by battle on May 07, 2009, 07:29 PM | #

Table 1.

Conservative and liberal disagreements may reflect differential reliance upon the Ingroup, Authority, and Purity foundations.

Liberal position  

1. For gun control

  —Harm: opposition to violence

2. Against corporations

—Harm: concerned about exploitation of workers and the environment

—Fairness as equality: suspicious of massive wealth accruing to top management

—Fairness as fair play: concerned about corporate manipulation of government

3. For contemporary art and music

—Fairness as anti-authoritarianism: dislike of traditions, preference for new and “subversive”  art

—Fairness as anti-bias, anti-ingroup: preference for works by members of oppressed groups within the United States, and from non-Western cultures

4. For big government programs

—Harm and Fairness: most big programs are intended to help victims or increase equality. This is the essence of the Gesellschaft approach to social problems.

5. Against mixing church and state

—Fairness as individual rights and autonomy in religious matters.

6. For rights for gays and minorities

—Harm: concern for an oppressed minority

—Fairness: wanting all groups to have equal rights and if possible outcomes

Conservative position

1. For law and order

  —Harm: protection from criminals

  —Authority: favoring police powers to keep order and punish deviants

—Fairness: punishment should fit the crime

2. Against welfare

—Authority: favoring hierarchy based on hard work and earned wealth

—Fairness: against giving something for nothing

—Ingroup: dislike of freeloaders within the group*

3. For protecting cultural traditions

—Ingroup: valuation of “our” traditions

—Purity: dislike of overtly sexual or “degrading” art

—Authority: fear that “subversive” art and music encourages rebellion in youth

4. Against big government

—Ingroup and Authority: Belief that people should take care of their own; preference for local control and Gemeinschaft solutions (e.g., church-based solutions to social problems).

5. For mixing church and state

—Ingroup: America is a Christian nation

—Authority: Laws are most effective when they match the laws of God

—Purity: desire to live in a sacralized nation

6. Against rights for gays and minorities

—Ingroup: gays seen as outsiders

  —Authority: gays seen as non-conformists and threats to traditional family structure

—Purity: gays seen as lustful sexual deviants

Note. The policy positions are from Jost et al. (2003b). Links to moral foundations are speculative. On most culture-war issues, liberal positions appear to draw on harm and fairness concerns exclusively, while conservatives draw on all five foundations.

*We note that some of the ingroup-based opposition to welfare may be based on or magnified by anti-Black racism. Not all motives relevant to policy positions are moral motives.

Figure 1. Moral foundations (relevance and statements averaged together) across the political spectrum. N= 5,392. The two modern foundations are indicated in solid lines, which are higher for liberals, and the three traditional foundations are indicated with dashed lines, which are higher for conservatives.

faculty.virginia.edu/haidtlab/articles/haidt.graham.planet-of-the-durkheimians.doc

Posted by battle on May 07, 2009, 07:30 PM | #

RESTORE THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC:

http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum/index.php?topic=3676.msg16449#msg16449

http://restoretheconstitutionalrepublic.com/forum

Posted by battle on May 10, 2009, 04:12 AM | #

There’s always a Jewish angle: Gigolo sent to prison for blackmailing BMW heiress

http://www.jewlicious.com/2009/03/theres-always-a-jewish-angle-gigolo-sent-to-prison-for-blackmailing-bmw-heiress/

I’ve been following this story for a couple of days because it’s fascinating. I just couldn’t figure out how to bring it to Jewlicious because there was no Jewish aspect to it.

I am happily wrong.

Welcome to the story of Helg Sgarbi, AKA the Swiss Gigolo, who was sentenced to six years in prison for blackmailing women, particularly Susanne Klatten, heiress to the BMW fortune and one of the wealthiest women in the world.

Helg had a taste for the finer things in life, afforded to him by the successful squiring of a number of very wealthy women.

  Sgarbi told the court he had specifically targeted Klatten, laying the groundwork for his scheme when he first met her at a spa near Innsbruck, Austria, in July 2007.

  Using what prosecutors called a well-practiced scam, he showed up a month later at her vacation home in the south of France and their affair began. Then he told Klatten that he was involved in a car accident in the United States that left the girl paralyzed, and persuaded Klatten to give him the cash for her treatment.

  According to her police statement, Klatten was initially taken aback by the story, but eventually met him in a parking garage to hand over the $9 million in cash, packed in a large cardboard box.

  Sgarbi then demanded Klatten leave her family and invest $367 million in a trust for him, according to the indictment. When she refused, he threatened to release secretly filmed videos of their affair.

  Sgarbi demanded $62 million not to tell her family, the heads of her companies and the media. He lowered the demand to $17.72 million but Klatten instead went to the police in January 2008. Sgarbi was arrested in Austria’s Tyrolean Alps and has been held in detention since.

Klatten was brave enough to tell her husband about the affair, which is not a small thing considering they have 3 children and she must have been aware she was risking a lot. Then again, she owns 12% of BMW and almost all of a large chemical/pharma concern. She’s said to be worth nearly $10 billion and is listed as Germany’s richest person and the 68th richest person in the world. She’s also a trained economist with an MBA.

Why did she fall for Sgarbi? In testimony she has said, “He was charming, attentive and at the same time he seemed very sad. That stirred a feeling in me that we had something in common.” In another interview, Klatten said, “”There was a moment of clarity. You are a victim now and you have to resist. Otherwise it will never end. I am struggling now in the name of every woman in my family and the names of many other women…. I am glad to have done this.”

Well, most women don’t have 7 million Euros cash to hand over in a parking lot, but I think we get her meaning. As for Sgarbi, who speaks 6 languages, is a lawyer and was an investment banker specializing in mergers and acquisitions, he only received 6 years instead of 10 because he didn’t contest the matter in court and thereby prevented Klatten and three other women he had tricked from having to testify.

There is more. Sgarbi apparently had an accomplice, Ernano Barretta, who apparently runs a sect in Italy of which Sgrabi was a member. Barretta is accused of having helped make the sex tapes of Klatten and Sgarbi - tapes which have disappeared - that Sgarbi was threatening to distribute if Klatten didn’t pay up.

Barretta has told police that there is indeed a Jewish angle to this crime. Klatten is the daughter of Herbert Quandt and granddaughter of Gunther Quandt, who have been accused of using slave labor and helping the Nazi war machine by supplying armaments in WWII. As Barretta told police about Sgarbi, “Helg’s grandfather was Jewish and during the Second World War was deported to a steel works in Germany…Susanne Klatten is the daughter of a close collaborator of Adolf Hitler. We wanted to avenge Helg’s grandfather. I helped him because we’ve been friends all our lives.”

By the way, very little of the many millions Sgarbi collected from his victims has been found. I sense a nice retirement coming for this man after his sojourn in jail.

The big winner in all of this is Holiday Inn. That’s the chain of hotels where Klatten and Sgarbi would meet for their affair.

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Posted by battle on May 10, 2009, 04:21 AM | #

Susanne Klatten Biography

Susanne Hanna Ursula Quandt was born in Bad Homburg, Germany on April 28, 1962. She is 46-years-old. Her parents are Herbert Quandt and Johanna Quandt. She has one brother, Stefan Quandt. There was an attempt to kidnap her in 1978 that was stopped by the police.

Susanne holds a degree in business finance and worked for Young & Rubicam, an advertising agency, from 1981 to 1983. She left that position to take courses at the University of Buckingham. She took courses in marketing and management. She earned an MBA from IMD in Lausanne with a specialty in advertising. She worked under an assumed name to prevent her employers and co-workers from knowing her connections. She worked at the Dresdner Bank in London, the Munich branch of management consultants McKinsey and the Reuschel & Company Bank.

The Quandt dynasty of Germany is the wealthiest and most powerful family in Germany. The family initially made military uniforms for the Kaiser’s armies. They then provided munitions, aero engines and batteries for U-boats and V2 rockets for the Nazi Party. Mrs. Klatten’s great grand-father was Gunther Quandt, the founder of BMW. He died in 1954. His first wife, Magda, married Nazi propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels, following her divorce from Quandt. The family has hired independent investigators and historians to document the family’s activities during World War II in order to lay their history out for the public in hopes of ending speculation and false reports about their activities during that time.

Mrs. Klatten’s father owned the pharmaceutical and chemicals manufacturer Altana. She was left a 50.1% interest in Altana and has since helped build the company to the point that it is listed on the German Stock Market (DAX) in the top 30 companies. She now owns over 88% of the company. She was also left a 12.50% stake in BMW and sits on BMW’s board with her brother Stefan Quandt. She also sits on the board of Altana. She is listed as the richest woman in Germany and Forbes lists her as the 55th wealthiest person in the world. Her wealth is estimated to be $13.2 Billion.

She is a philanthropist. In 2007 she was awarded the Bavarian Order of Merit, the Bayerischer Verdienstorden. She is one of the biggest donors to the German political party CDU. Since 2005, she has been a member of the University Council of the Technical University of Munich.

Susanne met her husband Jan Klatten when she was doing an internship at BMW after she completed her studies at the University of Buckingham in the United Kingdom. He was working as an engineer there. She didn’t tell him who she was until they had established a relationship so that her wealth would not be a factor in his decision to marry her. The couple married in 1990 in Kitzbühel, Germany. Jan Klatten handles the day to day management of her wealth. They have three children and live in Munich, Germany. They own seven homes. Ms. Klatten plays golf and skis.

Posted by Lurker on May 10, 2009, 08:40 PM | #

In the popular imagination - fuelled by thrillers and movies - a woman like this would just have had the little turd whacked by hired killers.