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Rioting in ParisThe report of large scale rioting in Paris among youths is receiving little coverage in the US, even among the blogs I read. Youths riot for second night in Paris suburb
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Posted by leslie on Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 11:09 AM in Immigration Comments:2
Posted by Svigor on October 30, 2005, 11:57 AM | # Lol, I’m still trying to figure out how you got the image shown above…all I can get is the one of the burnt out vehicles. 3
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 12:10 PM | # Svi, Locating any of the images from the riot is very difficult. I wonder if there is some form of self-imposed / coerced censoring going on? 4
Posted by Matra on October 30, 2005, 12:11 PM | # The BBC had a full report yesterday - I didn’t see any US news yesterday. They showed the riot police using teargas and Molotov cocktails landing near their feet. I think I might have gone through this area by bus back in April. If it’s just north of the Porte de Clichy metro stop then I can tell you the it is entirely North African (Arab/Berber) and black. 5
Posted by Matra on October 30, 2005, 12:41 PM | # Clichy-Sous-Bois is the home to ‘Beurger King’ serving halal meat. http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/other/articles/2005/08/05/muslim_themed_beurger_king_opens/
I guess this is where the ‘youths’ hang out. 6
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 12:45 PM | # Burgers, eh? Still looking for photos, though. I have an archive documenting such things, so if any turn up please post. 7
Posted by Matra on October 30, 2005, 01:45 PM | # “Burgers, eh?” It was all over the news when the ‘Beurger King’ opened as it was an example of how France was changing. It was also an ‘in your face’ to the US given that Burger King is seen as a symbol of America. I was merely pointing out what kind of area Clichy-Sous-Bois is: The vanguard of a new Europe perhaps? 8
Posted by friedrich braun on October 30, 2005, 01:46 PM | # The French have no one but themselves to blame. Two generations of French politicians (of all political allegiances) have let their country be invaded by waves of savage immigration. Paris, for e.g., has become an Arab city. I was recently speaking to a Central European young man who just came back from France he had this to say about French immigration and changing demographics: “I can’t believe what the French have done to their own country. France is no longer French.” Indeed. However, the race replacement scenario is being played out all over Western Europe, and not only in France. I’ve come to believe that Western Europe is a lost cause. It’s only a matter of time before old Europe (the continent of Goethe, Shakespeare, Moliere, etc.) becomes a barbaric Black/Brown Islamic Republic. 9
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 01:47 PM | # Geoff, I tried to get pictures through google. Almost nothing. Very very strange. 10
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 01:52 PM | # > I tried to get pictures through google. Almost nothing. Very very strange. I don’t know anything about press laws in France, perhaps, as a result of Jewish ADL type laws, taking photos of Blacks and Arabs rioting might be considered a “Hate Crime” ?
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Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:11 PM | # I’ve come to believe that Western Europe is a lost cause. This is over the top deafeatism which isn’t called for in this crisis. We haven’t reached the point of no return just yet. 12
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2005, 02:12 PM | # I just googled émeute Clichy-sous-bois (“riot Clichy-sous-bois”) and clicked one-by-one on all articles on the first google page that came up, finding only two photos, neither showing the riot or rioters. (One was of burnt-out cars being calmly inspected the following morning by a policeman and the other showed just a bunch of burnt-out vehicles the following morning, no people.) I suspect some sort of rule in France forbids the revealing of the race of criminals and rioters whether through verbal descriptions or photos, such that editors and free-lance photographers are afraid of being prosecuted if they publish riot photos that reveal the rioters to be non-white in their majority. I don’t know for a fact such a rule exists but there are other rules along the same lines in that country, such as ones forbidding the gathering of crime statistics that reveal the race of the perpetrators (it’s all part of forcing race-replacement on the people—the French government knows that if the people saw statistics on the amount of crime Negroes and North Africans commit in white countries they might object to France being flooded with them, so the government’s conclusion is, of course, that it must forbid the gathering of those particular statistics. You’d think the government would draw the more rational conclusion that it should simply stop flooding the place with these very-high-crime racial incompatibles who can’t be easily integrated but have to be literally forced on the traditional population by means of what are totalitarian police-state tactics and strategies. You’d think wrong, strangely enough ... which is one of the most baffling mysteries of the past ten thousand years ... I mean, sure, nobody wants to be called a racist but do you have to actually destroy whole countries in an effort to avoid it??? I wouldn’t think so but hey, that’s just me—I could be wrong ... I don’t claim to be “Mr. Perfect” ... I’m just sitting here scratching my head along with the rest of you ... I mean, if it were me running France I’d say, “Listen, go ahead and call me racist, call me what you like, but I’m not going to destroy the nation known as France just because I’d be personally hurt if someone called me a racist—you know, “sticks and stones” and all that? ... I mean, there are worse things in life than being called a racist, and I for one intend to stop letting all these people in here and, if possible, humanely get as many as possible to return home. Sorry but France isn’t going to be changed into Africa on my watch!” But again, hey, that’s just me—I dunno, I’m weird that way—I’ve just always had this dislike for obliterating traditional Western Nation-states like, say—well, like France, for example ... I know, I’m weird, I admit it ...). Here ‘s a series of photos taken three-and-a-half weeks ago in the neighborhood of a Paris metro stop called Château-d’eau apparently, which shows some low-level friction between police and the local population. Pretty tame stuff, it nevertheless gives an idea of the race of the people whom the police have to contend with in some of these neighborhoods over there—the typical mix of African Negroes (here and there joined by their clueless white G/Fs who for some reason never, ever lack in this sort of setting—what the attraction is, I’ve never grasped, unless these white women are simply masochists of some sort, having a need to be humiliated) and Maghrebians. the waving in of tropically adapted peoples into the cities of the northlands is sure to result in damage to the level of civilization, and this must then be the goal, of those who want this to happen.” (He was commenting on this log entry.) This conclusion is incontrovertible: the forces pushing the massive importation of African Negroes and Maghrebians into France certainly see that this sort of rioting and tearing-apart of the national fabric will be the inevitable result and want this importation to continue anyway, and not just want it but are fanatical about wanting it. Whatever their reasons, they’re destroying France knowingly and on purpose. This is no accident. 13
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:15 PM | # Here’s one…... http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2005/10/28/h_9_ill_704292_par442409.jpg 15
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:21 PM | # http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ressources/images/normales/f/fr/051030france-emeutes-3_n.jpg
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Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:30 PM | # http://lcn.canoe.com/archives/lcn/infos/lemonde/media/2005/10/20051030-110524-g.jpg 20
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:33 PM | # http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2005/10/30/v_7_ill_704835_clichy_3010.jpg 21
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:35 PM | # 22
Posted by friedrich braun on October 30, 2005, 02:35 PM | # This is over the top deafeatism which isn’t called for in this crisis. It’s not defeatism, I’d call it “realism.” We haven’t reached the point of no return just yet. No? Where’s your point of “no return”? When London becomes majority non-White, for e.g.? It’s about to happen. I don’t see the European class contemplating repatriation of hostile, dangerous foreign racial elements - the only antidote and solution to the current immigration crisis. No, the situation is only getting worse. Not better. That’s why I believe Western Europe is a lost cause. 23
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:36 PM | # 24
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 02:38 PM | # I assume the featherless bipeds which committed these acts of violence live in those high-rise buildings? What a nest of violence and chaos that must be. Looks like a Grozny in the making. Grozny: Thanks for rustling up those photos, Phil. 25
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 02:40 PM | # > Western Europe a lost cause? I don’t know. I’ve always assumed that if the right stimulus appeared the peoples of Europe would once again assert their tribal identity and expel the invaders (both physical and psychological). Yet, considering so many countries, such as Canada, USA, and the UK have an alien racial/religious group which owns the media I don’t know how that stimulus can be transmitted. 26
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:42 PM | # No? Where’s your point of “no return”? When London becomes majority non-White, for e.g.? It’s about to happen. London becoming majority non-white doesn’t make Britain majority non-White. If we lose hope this way, whatever slim chance there is of saving Europe (and there is much more than a slim chance to save it) will be lost. The first thing that strikes me about these Riots is that they will be a blessing for the Front National. That’s a good start. Le Pen finished second in the Presidential Election last time. They could improve on their votes or they could even win if such events became more regular. One cannot even begin to imagine what a victory for the Front National would do to European politics. It will be the defining moment of modern European history. Let us not throw our hands up and quit. We owe it to the generations that will follow us. 27
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:46 PM | # http://medias.francetv.fr/bibl/url_images/2005/10/29/image_15246509_192_144.jpg 28
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 02:47 PM | # http://www.lavoixdessports.com/fr/journal/VDN/2005/10/30/PHOTOS/0ip4rxoi.jpg 29
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Posted by friedrich braun on October 30, 2005, 02:51 PM | # Immigration and declining demographics work against a democratic victory of the FN - and that’s if you discount constant media demonization and judicial harassment. However, I don’t exclude an armed struggle eventually erupting between autocthonous French and a Black-Browm coalition, i.e. a racial civil war. I think it’s the only solution. 33
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 02:54 PM | # A Camp of Saints, if not Civil War II moment, to be sure. 34
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 03:07 PM | # Immigration and declining demographics work against a democratic victory of the FN The FN doesn’t need to win outright in order to send shivers down the spine of the establishment. A third of the vote might do the trick as well. The one thing to remember about democratic politicians is that they have no principles. If pushed hard enough, they will make a 180 degree turn if that is what it takes for them to save their hides. They go with the flow. 35
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2005, 03:12 PM | # If I may I’d like to paste a comment of mine from another thread into this one where it fits better (was in the “A Bang Rather than a Whimper” thread): it sums up my whole feeling about the subject, namely, stop letting more in for God’s sake, and humanely and with fair financial compensation send the ones already here back: “Delphine Batho, the opposition Socialist Party security spokes[man], called for ‘serious answers’ to the questions raised by the violence.” (—from the Guardian article linked in Geoff’s comment, 3:58 AM) “Serious answers”? How’s this then, Delphine?: has your government ever considered the immediate restoration of immigration sanity to France by reducing racially- and ethnically-incompatible immigration to zero followed by the swift expulsion of all illegals, no questions, delays, or appeals, and, finally, humanely but strongly encouraging racial and cultural (i.e., Moslem) incompatibles admitted legally but in excessive numbers to go home permanently, by means of financial incentives generous enough to attract lots of takers coupled with a 180-degree reversal of multiculti policies in favor of a return to the nation-state France used to be? You want “serious answers,” Mme Batho? We’ve got a few for you. Posted by Fred Scrooby on 10/30 at 05:11 AM 36
Posted by Matra on October 30, 2005, 03:20 PM | # Looking on the bright side, the Muslims don’t seem to be very tactically astute. Their behaviour in recent years - 9/11, Madrid, Van Goth, 7/7, etc - could be a case of playing their hand too soon. In the not too distant future I suspect they’ll over do it with a spectacular attack in Paris, London, or Amsterdam that forces Europe to respond. They’d have been better to keep their heads down, like the Gasterbaiter in the 60s and 70s, and waited until their numbers were even greater. Waking up the West too early may be their undoing. Meanwhile in Dallas (I believe there’s at least one Dallas-based regular poster here): “Iranian immigrant Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh, a legal resident in the U.S. since 1978, has been sentenced to five years in prison for sprinkling dried feces on pastries in a Dallas, Texas grocery store.” 37
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 03:23 PM | # Iranian immigrant Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh, a legal resident in the U.S. since 1978, has been sentenced to five years in prison for sprinkling dried feces on pastries in a Dallas, Texas grocery store Now that’s class! 38
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 03:41 PM | # What a nest of violence and chaos that must be. Those are horrific places but no worse than a ghetto in any major American city. 39
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 03:44 PM | # Grozny: That’s not a good analogy, Geoff. The Russians pretty much hosed those buildings down with chain-cannon. Russian methods of dealing with such problems differ from European (and North American) methods…..shall we say. 40
Posted by Matra on October 30, 2005, 03:44 PM | # Predictably, the government (especially PM Nicolas Sarkozy) and police are being blamed for the two deaths in Paris. http://www.ttc.org/200510301412.j9uecii20805.htm Tough new French anti-crime policies are partly to blame for riots that gripped a Paris suburb at the weekend, after the accidental deaths of two teenagers who thought they were under police chase, the opposition and rights campaigners said Sunday. But why were tough new anti-crime measures required in the first place and why did the ‘youths’ run from the police in the first place? A local human rights group has described Sarkozy’s talk of “cleaning up” the suburbs as a “provocation” that helped explain the escalation of violence at the weekend. But if the government does nothing they’re accused of allowing anarchy to reign in non-white suburbs and thus ignoring the plight of the poor immigrants! A lawyer representing the families of the victims said Sunday they also intended to press civil charges for failure to assist a person in danger. The ‘oppressive’ system comes in handy times like these. 42
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 03:58 PM | # 43
Posted by friedrich braun on October 30, 2005, 04:10 PM | # Ramadan in France. In pictures: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/4376702.stm The French must be grateful to have millions (no one knows for sure how many: 8, 10 million?) of Brown/Black Muslims on their soil. They sure add… ahem… “vibrancy” to French life. 44
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2005, 04:47 PM | # Think of the cost of all this immigration-related nonsense—the costs of dealing with the riots themselves and of the immense property destruction they cause in the middle of one of the world’s highest-price real-estate markets, the police costs, the judicial costs to the government of prosecuting rioters and violent street criminals, the legal costs to the government of defending itself against legal attack by pro-immigrant groups as mentioned in Matra’s comment above, the welfare payments which are never enough and are constantly being ratcheted up, and so on. That the French élites not only want all these costs to burden the French nation and society but want the nation to bear even greater such costs (as proven by the fact that they refuse to do anything about excessive incompatible immigration, the very-easily-remedied root cause) would seem to suggest John Bolton may be onto something in suspecting the aim of the élites is to provoke a series of crises through which they will be able to grab progressively more and more dictatorial powers for themselves, otherwise it would be the simplest thing in the world to shut the immigration doors tight exactly five minutes from now, rescind all multi-culti directives, and divert every last euro of cash now being poured into the bottomless pit of dealing with incompatible, unassimilable non-white immigrants into paying them financial incentives to leave France and go back home instead. Solving the problem, you see—which would be child’s play to do—wouldn’t assure the government élites of years, nay decades of future highly-remunerated employment together with gradual increases in their petty dictatorial powers over the population, while leaving the problem unsolved and permanently festering like a running, oozing sore promises exactly that future for these bureaucratic élites. 45
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 05:24 PM | # Grozny Paradigm Phil, yes I think you are right about Grozny, yet it was not so much that I was commenting on. Rather, the devestation itself was the main point. I don’t think it out of the question our cities look like Grozny is 10-50 years time - whatever the cause. 47
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 05:30 PM | # Rather, the devestation itself was the main point. I don’t think it out of the question our cities look like Grozny is 10-50 years time - whatever the cause. Yep. Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying. 48
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 05:36 PM | # Geoff, Speaking of Detroit, I wonder what Henry Ford would think if he were to see it today. The man who invented mass production and made Detroit the “Motor City” witnessing its total destruction (and America’s apathy towards it). I think places like Detroit say a lot about the character of the current generation of Americans. 49
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 05:50 PM | # Phil, Henry Ford was the last great American Industrialist. And I stress “American” because he was not a globalist and cared for the fate of his people, and warned repeatedly what would happen if our foes took over the “American ” gov’t. 50
Posted by Matra on October 30, 2005, 08:04 PM | # Phil - I think places like Detroit say a lot about the character of the current generation of Americans. Virtually all whites left Detroit a long time ago. Present-day Detroit is a different world from the well-run white suburbs surrounding it. It’s true that the current generation of Americans can’t hold a candle to their forefathers but can you think of a Western society where that is not the case? Been to London lately? It’s one of the worst cities on the four continents I’ve visited in the last 25 years. Fine, if you are rich, but to me it’s in the same league as Detroit and Buffalo and far worse than some Asian cities like Singapore. About 5 years ago former work colleagues of mine from working class UVF/UDA neighbourhoods of Belfast came back from Birmingham shocked at how violent and run-down it was. Yet, strangely, the ignorant Brommies who came to our place were actually worried about being English in low crime Belfast! And then there’s Liverpool… Phil, present-day Americans may be depraved and cowardly but no more so than your fellow Englishmen, and certainly less so than the Canadians I meet on a daily basis. 51
Posted by Al Ross on October 30, 2005, 08:07 PM | # When I was a student I read a Henry Miller novel called ‘Quiet Days In Clichy’. Not so quiet these days thanks to the culturally arrogant French who, having treated their Maghrib colonies as directly ruled ‘departments’ of the main government, tacitly encouraged the mass-migration of Muslims to France in the vain belief that direct contact with the fount of Frenchness would civilize them. 52
Posted by Svigor on October 30, 2005, 10:27 PM | # Thanks for all the pics Phil. Remember when discussing the prospects for the future not to fall into the trap our media masters have laid; never accept the lie that mass white racial stupidity exists in a vacuum. Never accept the lie that it is the natural result of democracy; never forget it is a mile wide and an inch deep, or that for almost all, it is simply a cost of doing business. A few sparks and it’ll go up like kindling. The herd will change direction at the first whiff. And don’t be fooled by Sudafrica or Rhodesia either; it was whites who brought about or facilitated those events. Eventually there’ll be no white populations with the luxury of forcing “altruism” on others (as in the case of SA). 53
Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 31, 2005, 12:54 AM | # If I may, I’ll just throw this in: Steve Sailer mentions the fact that excessive non-white immigration lowers the native white birth rate (it does so in several more ways than the ones Steve mentions here): In states where young white couples make enough money to buy a house with a yard in a neighborhood with a decent public school, they are more likely to get married and more likely to have more children. [...] As we’ve seen in California, immigration is crowding out marriage and childbirth among American citizens by making family formation less affordable. This will spread to the rest of the country—unless something is done, i.e., current government policies are reversed.” I wanted to put this in the thread because John Ray tends to dispute the idea that excessive incompatible immigration can push down white birth rates helping to lead to race-replacement in part or in whole. 54
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 31, 2005, 03:23 AM | # Phil, present-day Americans may be depraved and cowardly but no more so than your fellow Englishmen, and certainly less so than the Canadians I meet on a daily basis. True. 55
Posted by Phil Peterson on October 31, 2005, 03:26 AM | # Been to London lately? It’s one of the worst cities on the four continents I’ve visited in the last 25 years. I still work in London. It isn’t paradise by any means but it is not as bad crime-wise as many American cities. It is getting worse of course and it may soon join those leagues but it hasn’t yet. I don’t think London is the worst city in the Western world. It isn’t the best (by a long shot) but it isn’t the worst. 56
Posted by ben tillman on October 31, 2005, 04:51 PM | # Iranian immigrant Behrouz Nahidmobarekeh, a legal resident in the U.S. since 1978, has been sentenced to five years in prison for sprinkling dried feces on pastries in a Dallas, Texas grocery store. The store was a few miles to my east, and I never had occasion to patronize it. 57
Posted by ben tillman on October 31, 2005, 04:58 PM | # It’s true that the current generation of Americans can’t hold a candle to their forefathers…. I watched a fascinating PBS documentary regarding the 1970 shootings at Kent State University. I was amazed at the attitude of the Ohio governor, who is caught on film, and local Ohio residents. For you, Geoff, this is a must-see. 58
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 31, 2005, 05:15 PM | # Ben, What do you think of the Samuel Alito nomination? 59
Posted by ben tillman on October 31, 2005, 05:50 PM | # This is the first I’ve heard of it. The name looks a bit Sephardic - that’s my first thought. 60
Posted by ben tillman on October 31, 2005, 05:54 PM | # Not usually my source for the authoritative view on anything, but the link below includes links to a number of his opinions: 61
Posted by Geoff Beck on October 31, 2005, 06:26 PM | # Ben, it appears Samuel Alito is a “respectable conservative”. By that he is an open borders maniac: http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/10/samuel_alitos_conservative_vie.php Next entry: Terror cell ‘smuggled missiles into Europe’ Previous entry: Lawmakers call for more illegal-immigrant prosecutions |
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Posted by Geoff Beck on October 30, 2005, 11:31 AM | #
BTW, the photos section of Yahoo has only two riot photos. This is strange, for two days of rioting only two photos?
If someone finds a link to more photos please post it.