Spiked libertarians on “religious” hatred

One of the most striking things about the religious hatred legislation is how determined New Labour was to introduce it, and how keen it was, initially, not only to criminalise the ‘stirring up’ of hatred but also any potentially hurtful criticism and ridicule of a religion and its followers. New Labour first floated the idea of criminalising religious hatred and ridicule after 9/11, when it predicted, wrongly of course, that there would be an outbreak of mob madness against Muslims. After much wrangling, and boosted by another, post-7/7 panic about anti-Muslim uprisings (which again was wrong), New Labour finally introduced the legislation in 2006.

- Libertarian Brendan O’Neill of Spiked.

Of course, talking of an attempt to criminalise any potentially hurtful criticism of a religion and its followers is being coy. I don’t think Christians are protected by this, unless Dawkins has landed himself in gaol, and certainly not the nasty sort of Christians who aren’t gay friendly enough. It is Islam, specifically, that this is designed to protect.

Equally obviously, Islam and Christianity and the distinction between the two are not actually about your precise opinion of whether god is Holy or Great, and what the best way to pray to him is. It is about Middle Eastern and White.

Having said this, I think there’s nothing to be gained from pointing this out incessantly and under all circumstances. If pc and the multi-cult harms us, we can point out these harms without talking about why these things were introduced in the first place. A speech code with any other justification would oppress as much.

Posted by Alex Zeka on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 at 03:16 PM in Free Speech
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Posted by Guessedworker on July 14, 2010, 04:05 PM | #

Welcome back, Alex.

This, dear reader, is Alex Zeka, a political animal of Russian extraction who is not to be confused with Alex of “history of progressivism” fame.

On the subject of liberals and Islam, it was interesting to see the racist Medhi Hassan, who is a senior editor at New Statesman as well as a contributor to CiF, complain about the bigotry of the Daily Express today:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/13/bigotry-daily-express-ethnics-splash

Sadly for the Guardian classes this comment:

happyhorse
13 Jul 2010, 4:39PM

No government ever asked the population if they wanted this immigration. And most of the original UK population are not at all happy with it, so there will be enormous unhappiness with these horrendous figures.

... has garnered a whopping 712 recommends thus far.  And this very mild offering:

Peel
13 Jul 2010, 4:42PM

Well the Express sounds like, although I have never read it, the equal and opposite of the BBC/Guardian editorial line? The BBC made a video rebutting the idea that Europe is Islamicising - and yet Islam clearly is spreading and deepening, becoming more hard line in the UK and gaining legislative recognition and privilege? Prayer rooms in police stations, exemption from normal animal slaughter welfare laws, special consideration for ramadan in local councils…one could go on. While the Express may dramatise it, the Guardian probably regards the phenomenon as off limits, like the BBC, and finds conservative Islam a great thing. Looking at its effects on cultures and nations world wide, are we allowed to disagree?

... has clocked up 803.

This one, a swipe at some foreign git who has the temerity to deny the existence of the indigenous British population:

gabriel100
13 Jul 2010, 4:46PM

“Who exactly are these ‘original UK population’, by the way? Is it people who arrived here in the 7th century, or French invaders who came over in the 11th? Or maybe it’s the monarchy imported wholesale in the 17th and 18th centuries?”
—-

Oh, do stop this BS.

There is an indigenous population within these islands, in much the same way as there is in most nations / land masses.

We exist. Give us our identity. This “we are all immigrants” stuff only causes resentment.

... has 657.

Even worse for Hasan the Hateful, two commenters were quick to point out his own intimate acquaintance with bigotry:

Carr
13 Jul 2010, 6:29PM

I can’t say I’m too bothered about the prospect of one in five Britons being black, brown, blue, yellow, green, whatever.

.. but Mr Hasan, you do seem somewhat bothered by us kaffars who you describe as mindless cattle for not following your mindless book

http://hurryupharry.org/2009/07/24/medhi-hasan-exposed-part-i-–-atheists-and-disbelievers-are-“cattle”-and-“of-no-intelligence”/

Even the Daily Express would blush at this level of bigotry.

What a hypocrite.

Here is the recorded voice evidence from that link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAPqT3QdFU&feature=player_embedded

It was posted on the thread by the second of the two CiF commenters I mentioned, a BNP sort of guy with the handle TomHarrison.  It was then removed by a moderator, I would guess the black hypocrite Joseph Harker who has written that only white people can be racists.

In any case, the damage was done and a number of other commenters asked why Hasan was allowed to write about bigotry at the Guardian when he is the greatest possible bigot himself.  The answer, of course, is that liberals are intrinsically self-loathing and guilt-filled, and can only process bigotry one way.

The anti-Islam bigotry in question, btw, is ultimately that of Richard Desmond, the porno-Jew who owns the Daily Express.

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Posted by Gorboduc on July 14, 2010, 04:43 PM | #

Well done, Alex,  and well done GW.

GW, I’ve crossed swords with you on plilosophical grounds, but here I think here you ring the bell and win the biscuits!
(Ontology doesn’t cut the mustard for me.)

Shame we have to have Desmond being seen as our ally. Oh well our Mel (Philips, not Gibson, although he’s sometimes worth watching) can sometimes be useful.

Liberals say they are pro-choice; bollocks, they enforce conformity and injustice.

If you can, listen to the online version of tonight’s BBC R4’s MORAL MAZE, which tonighty debated the French ban on the hijab.

I’m pretty sure I heard Islamist feminist Mona El Kharmid [?spelling?] say she’d like “to shoot” members of the political right in the UK.

Let’s hope Old Bill goes and takes her down the nick, the way he did Lynette Burrowes when she said she didn’t approve of children being adopted by homosexual couples.

The encouraging response from the commentariat seems to underline the claim that large numbers here support BNP policy, but not the party itself.

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Posted by Lurker on July 14, 2010, 10:02 PM | #

I’m pretty sure I heard Islamist feminist Mona El Kharmid [?spelling?] say she’d like “to shoot” members of the political right in the UK.

I dont want to shoot her, I merely want her to be furnished with an all expenses paid one way ticket back to the land of her fathers. Of course that makes me a hater and her a liberal.

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Posted by Gorboduc on July 15, 2010, 05:39 PM | #

Here’s the lady herself, spelling corrected.

Integration painlessly effected.

http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,87977530001_1991831,00.html

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