Swedes and Danes and people with beards - more on those damned cartoons.

Posted by Amalek on February 11, 2006, 08:39 AM | #

The ‘liberal establishment’ is no more obviously kowtowing to Islamism than you are to the liberal establishment, when you mouth ahistorical platitudes about ‘Western freedom of speech’—the absolute right to insult others—as a cornerstone of the way of life some of us wish to recreate.

When England was leading the world into the agricultural and industrial revolutions, conquering large parts of the planet and attracting admiration from all around, it was far from a land where blasphemy, libel and slander and sedition spoke ‘freely’. There have always been legal limits to reinforce shared notions of seemliness: the avoidance of the ‘vulgarity’ you are always enjoining us to observe. Penalties for transgression could be grim.

Fetishising ‘freedom of expression’ is another decadent, liberal, ‘Judaeo-Christian’ novelty which you have swallowed and expectorated in your gullible way, like ‘Islamofascism’ and ‘antisemitism’. This is far from a conservative view of the problem. You sound more like E.M. Forster than Lord Salisbury.

Pending the removal of most non-white aliens from the United Kingdom—the only practical solution to the Gordian knot of imposed, mistaken and now visibly disastrous jumbling up of races on our islands—there is no quasi-sacred necessity to give provocateurs of any stripe unlicensed tongue. And I do not unduly mind various informal kinds of pressure and surveillance to flush as much provocative poison as possible out of the system. If the Swedes do it without wielding a cudgel, tant mieux.

(The whole business is a charade, anyhow. ‘Banned’ sites are soon mirrored. China cannot stop its citizens using uncensored Google.)

As before, the genius tutelary of Majority Rights belabours the symptoms while trying to confine identification of the root cause to a ‘forum’ which nobody uses.

Posted by Guessedworker on February 11, 2006, 09:06 AM | #

As a self-proclaim Asian, Amalek, you may be forgiven for knowing nothing of Hogarth and the coffee houses.  Nor that insulting the King of England was a cause greater distress to Whiggism than Toryism.

Freedom of expression is woven into English history and is the cornerstone also of Dutch and Danish political life.  But you are not Dutch or Danish, either, are you?

What, in fact, are you, Asian Boy, and what the hell do you hope to achieve by hypocritical professions of anti-semitism?

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 11, 2006, 09:47 AM | #

Tell us Asian Boy/Amalek, are you a Palestinian resident in Europe?

I have assumed that you are because to me it explains your Jew-hating provocations (as distinguished from rational criticism of Jews) and your touchiness on the subject of Islam.

Posted by Matra on February 11, 2006, 12:31 PM | #

Guessedworker:

It is in the nature of Islam to seek dominance over everyone and everything.  Something’s gotta give, as they say.  But Islam will not in any way moderate itself to accommodate Western hegemony.

That’s good! It makes it more difficult for sentimental weak Europeans to sympathise with them. We should want their women to wear hijab and their men to run around screaming for the blood of infidels. We’ve got enough hidden  enemies as it is. If they integrated it would be a longterm disaster for us.

It doesn’t surprise me that the Swedish government is cracking down on its indigenous people rather than its alien elements. Sweden is the Canuckistan of Europe.

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 11, 2006, 12:55 PM | #

Sweden is the Canuckistan of Europe.

That’s spot on, Matra. Spot on. Here’s an old thread on Sweden.

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 11, 2006, 06:59 PM | #

Thanks, Fred.

Posted by Guessedworker on February 12, 2006, 06:11 PM | #

Returning to the subject of the post, today’s Telegraph explored the history and motivations of the British government in its lax and less than honest attitude to Islamic radicalism, even post 7/7.

The government and security services knew what was happening: they were frequently alerted by pleas for action by increasingly desperate foreign governments. But they chose to allow the fanatics to continue their deadly activities.

It is difficult to understand the thinking behind this transparently self-destructive policy. The idea seems to have been that if we left Islamic fanatics free to plot terrorism here, they would reciprocate by not blowing up people in Britain. The short-sighted stupidity of that policy was definitively demonstrated by the deaths of more than 50 people on July 7 last year.

... MI5’s covert pact with the terrorists resulted, as all such pacts do, in them breaking their side of the bargain. There is, however, a disturbing echo of that hopeless pact in this Government’s present policy towards radical Islam. It can be seen in their cringeing reaction to the violent protests over the Danish cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed. Instead of joining most of the rest of Europe’s leaders in robustly defending the right to free speech, and attacking the fanatics who have threatened to “behead those who insult Islam”, Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, has gone out on a limb and said that the publication of the cartoons was “unnecessary, insensitive, disrespectful and wrong”.

Those remarks reflect the thinking behind MI5’s shameful policy: if we are “nice” to radical Islamists, they will be “nice” to us. But the belief in the possibility of a deal with radical Islam is totally wrong. Islamic terrorists are prepared to kill and maim innocent people precisely because they are not interested in any kind of “deal”. The only way to defeat the extremists is to isolate them from the peaceful majority of Muslims in Britain, and combat their horrible ideology of death directly.

Well, I don’t believe that Jack Straw’s remarks reflect such a policy at all.  They reflect the long-held desire to see only “moderate Islam”, because only moderate Islam could conceivably be worthy of its place in the West.  Only moderate Islam could legitimise the transgressions of the political elite against the native British.  Having to admit the horrendous reality of radical Islam would have put at risk the entire Multi-Cult.

Every day now we are being fed more and more opinion pieces and news stories in which “moderates” criticise “radicals”.  Were there really such an active distinction between them we would have seen thousands of “moderates” flood out on to the streets to protest 9/11, Bali, Madrid, 7/7 and 21/7?  There were none.

The reality of opinion among Moslems will inevitably be highly complex.  It most assuredly does not reduce to the helpful simplicities of a great block of decent, to-be-celebrated British people who happen to pray in mosques and a few hundred hotheads easily-led by evil men.  This reduction is a stratagem employed, as always, to prevent native British peoples from taking against the MultiCult.  We will anyway.

Posted by Matra on March 21, 2006, 05:00 PM | #

GW quoting Radio Sweden back in february when the cartoon crisis broke:

A Swedish Internet provider has shut down the website of an extreme right fringe party after authorities voiced concerns over a Prophet Mohammed drawing contest posted on the site.

Internet provider Levonline shut down the Sweden Democrats’ website late Thursday following discussions with both the foreign ministry and the National security police.

The foreign minister, Laila Freivalds however denies that the ministry ordered the internet provider to shut down the website. Speaking to reporters she said the foreign ministry and the security police simply informed the company of possible ramifications for Swedes abroad.

Some news from Sweden.  The Swedish Foreign Minister Laila Freivalds has now resigned:

Freivalds, 63, had been criticized in the media and by opposition politicians for the shutting down of the Web site of a far-right party that was planning to publish caricatures of Muhammad.

The site was closed Feb. 9 after a Foreign Ministry official contacted the Web hosting company, which critics said was an intrusion on the freedom of speech.

The ministry said the official had not the ordered company to shut down the site, but merely advised it that the caricatures could pose a danger to Swedes, given the Muslim anger directed at the time toward neighboring Denmark, where the original prophet cartoons were published.

Freivalds had told Swedish media she did not order the ministry official to contact the company, but a later report from the ministry said she was involved in the decision, sparking calls for her resignation.

It would seem that her poor handling of the tsunami aftermath didn’t help her standing in Sweden. But it is rare we have any good news from the most politically correct country in the West so let’s see this as a minor victory. Unfortunately the website that published the Muhammed pictures is still closed down.