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9/11 Tenth Anniversary Special9-11 is 10 years past. Liars and useful idiots still insist that 19 Arabs belonging to a terrorist group called Al-Qaeda, led by Osama bin Laden, did it, which has to be one of the most absurd conspiracies ever mass marketed to the public. For MANY YEARS now we’ve had tons of evidence, including names and pictures, pointing to the Jews who planned, orchestrated, assisted with, benefited from, blocked a scientific investigation of and covered up their involvement in 9/11. When the Muslim conspiracy started to unravel, Jews created a 9/11 truth movement, promoting, in the alternative media, the inside job conspiracy. But 9/11 is clearly an outside job or an outside conspiracy, and I’ve just posted a review of the evidence to observe the tenth anniversary of 9/11. This evidence can be found all over the internet and there’s nothing original in my compilation. All credits go to the original researchers. I’d say the increasing chorus for a renewed investigation is misplaced as the chorus should be about hanging the Jews involved and dispatching them to Hell forthwith, but the useful idiots promoting the 19 Arabs conspiracy take the cake... now please get a clue. My intent in reviewing the 9/11 evidence isn’t merely to reproduce it at MR, but to use it to address the treatment of 9/11 in nationalist circles. Here I’ll focus on the treatment of 911 on the occasion of its tenth anniversary.
The classic piece’s by Matt Parrott, who doesn’t just parrot the 19 Arabs conspiracy. After repeatedly reinforcing the 19 Arabs-Osama conspiracy, he comes up with the out-of-place/non sequitur: Some folks, including some racialists and nationalists–namely Anders Breivik–believe we should unite against Islam as our foremost opponent in response to 9/11, other terrorists attacks, and the ongoing Islamic invasion of Europe. This is a dangerous distraction which will only play into the hands of our true enemies. Our true enemies are the Jews and corporate cronies at the helm of Western Civilization. With them deposed and authentic and indigenous tradition-directed leadership at the helm, we’ll have the power and will to expel our hostile invaders, balance our bankrupt budgets, empower our struggling workers, and invigorate our barren families. How does Parrot plan on deposing the Jews? He calls me a crank for arguing that Jews did 9/11, a strategic buffoon for blaspheming the Church of the Holy Hoax and has no interest in documenting the Jewish control of the money supply and their false claim to Palestine. What does he think he can achieve by saying, or documenting, that Jews control the mainstream media, that they’ve played an instrumental role in opening the immigration floodgates and have been the architects of affirmative action? How many sympathetic souls can he attract? Why did they open the immigration flood gates? For the sake of doing so? If so, why risk the backlash? If they opened the flood gates to weaken whites, why did they want this? For the sake of weakening whites? Again, why risk the backlash? The answer can’t be their history of expulsions because there won’t be any expulsions if they don’t act against the interests of the host population. The Jewish crimes that Parrot documents are the means to an end, not an end in themselves. What’s this end and what else are they doing to achieve it? Even Abe knows better:
Abe’s been increasingly waking up at night with tachycardia, breaking a sweat. The doctors have told him that losing the pork won’t help. When you expose the most serious crimes of Jews, you get the whole world to assist you in vanquishing Jewry, unconditionally, without asking, because with the Jews in power everyone suffers. Just about everyone understands the language of murder, mayhem, starvation and destitution, but far fewer understand media control or care about it. Non-whites obviously won’t assist us in closing the immigration flood gates and in this they’d be joined by many whites. But tell the world that the Jews caused two world wars and promoted the Holy Hoax to establish Israel, a land to which over 90% of them have no ancestral ties to; that they orchestrated 9/11 in part to realize their plans of a greater Israel, which involves weakening the powerful Muslim nations around them (e.g., Iraq) so that they can expel, without significant retaliation, Muslims from Gaza, the West Bank, Jerusalem, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, northeast Egypt and Turkey, a plan whose implementation will extract a monstrous human toll; and that the factor that has enabled such meddling is their control of the money supply, which they continually endeavor to consolidate, then the whole world joins you, unconditionally, for free, in overcoming Jewry. Why miss out on this freebie? Note that I’m not talking about any alliance but free help without any conditions attached. Previously Parrott’s accused me of silly tantrums against him because he doesn’t criticize Jews in the manner I’d like him to, a false contention. Why don’t I address some others who endorse the 19 Arabs conspiracy, like Ted Sallis, in a similar manner? Because in Sallis I don’t see a malicious person or saboteur, just a useful idiot for the Jews. Apparently Sallis’ never evaluated 9/11 properly and is blinded by his peculiar definition of white and his idiosyncratic white nationalist orientation that makes him disseminate Jewish misrepresentation of the genetics evidence pertaining to their claim to Palestine. This useful idiot’s of little use to us; regarding white nationalism, he’s at worst useless, not a saboteur; only when it comes to northern European nationalism could he be harmful. Parrott’s an entirely different creature: who’d say “down with the Jews!” and protect them from an expose of their most serious crimes? The Jews have to retire Parrott at some point. Most of the authors reviewed above have posted their articles at Counter Currents publishing, and if this’s how this publisher treats 9/11, you know it’s useless at best. If Greg Johnson and Michael Polignano are genuine, they should publish serious criticism of Jews by other authors or at least challenge the saboteurs to justify the Jewish propaganda in their pieces. There are a bunch of other useful idiots and saboteurs, but this’s for later. Posted by J Richards on Sunday, September 11, 2011 at 03:04 PM in 9/11, European Nationalism, That Question Again, War on Terror, White Nationalism Comments:2
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 11, 2011, 04:12 PM | # I’m not hostile to Truthers. I have researched the episode to my satisfaction and disagree with J. Richards. I am hostile to him in response to his hostility to me, and not out of some blanket hostility for people who disagree with me on this issue. If Jews were shown to be guilty of 9/11, that would be great for me and my worldview. As I noted in my supposed “non sequitor”, I’m far more concerned about our Jewish elite than I am about Muslim aggressors. But my failure to see the Jews as the culprits in this particular instance is a “litmus test” for J. Richards, so I’m a full-on Jewish “false opposition”, QED. With things out there like the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty, Culture of Critique, and the Mearsheimer & Walt Report, I don’t think we’re short on credible material to work with. One would do well to stop and consider that respected ivy league academics released a report proving that Jewish infiltrators duped us into a war which was disastrous for America. If that didn’t have an impact, then perhaps we might want to reflect on whether piling up facts about Jewish perfidy is an optimal investment of time and energy. I invite folks to put the contributions to our cause by the men being defamed by J. Richards side-by-side with his own and weigh them in the balance. P.S. 3
Posted by Guest Lurker on September 11, 2011, 04:53 PM | # This J Richards character seems to be particularly keen on discrediting as many white nationalists as possible and pitting them against each other. Hmmm….who would gain from such a thing? I’m beginning to think Grimoire was correct when he stated that people who constantly attempt to bring the J**ws into ever conversation are in fact serving the very interests they profess to be fighting. It’s a pity that Guessedworker saw fit to give this abrasive creature a forum here to spread internecine strife and suspicion. 4
Posted by Thorn on September 11, 2011, 05:19 PM | # @Posted by Guest Lurker on September 11, 2011, 08:53 PM | # Nah, J Richards is cool. He’s just extremely frustrated when certain people cannot, or will not, come to view the world the way he does. That’s all. [IMG]http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/i+bet+the+jews+did+this+oh+no_1daecd_352177.jpg[/IMG] Just kidding, J R, just kidding! 5
Posted by anon / uh on September 11, 2011, 05:27 PM | # VNN is not the “opposition”. Chechar is not a Jew. Parrott is not “controlled”. Johnson is not (especially) afraid of Jews.
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Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 11, 2011, 06:55 PM | # According to J Richards, the Jews also did the Norwegian shooting and the War Between the States. Of course the Jews were responsible for 9/11. I haven’t searched the Majority Rights archives, but I wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised to find out the Jews were responsible Hurricane Katrina. 7
Posted by Peter1 on September 11, 2011, 06:56 PM | # Given the current, enforced (media, etc.) shibboleth of the Official 9/11 Story, and the apparent impact and persistence of the 9/11 Truth movement, it’s reasonable to posit the existence of a politically significant percentage of Americans who question fundamental aspects of the Official 9/11 Story, yet won’t admit to it under their own names for justifiable fear of being branded politically incorrect (or more so). It would be interesting to survey the percentage of public Storybelievers who privately agree with the findings of 9/11 Truth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_opinion_polls 8
Posted by Peter1 on September 11, 2011, 07:11 PM | # As for the Storytellers themselves, i.e. those who broach the subject of 9/11 in defense of the Official Story, the ten-year anniversary notwithstanding, my experience indicates their number is small and decreasing. 9
Posted by anon11111 on September 11, 2011, 07:21 PM | # White nationalists are not really leading the way in terms of criticizing Jews anymore. When it comes to the Holocaust, 9/11, false flag terrorism in general, Israel, the Israel lobby, Middle East wars and staged revolutions, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, media control, etc., most of the good info is not coming from WN sources. In fact, the general refrain on WN sites is that we should stick exclusively to race and immigration and that talking about other aspects of Jewish control is a “distraction” or will “make us sound crazy”. You can generally even find more serious discussion of Jews on mainstream lefty sites like Salon.com than you can throughout much of the CMS/Parrottsphere, especially AmRen and AltRight, the latter of which in particular appears to have taking the heat off the Jews as its raison d’etre. I think the growth of the “anti-Zionist” movement, which in general does not oppose the status quo on race (although many of its members are closet WNs or WN sympathizers), has robbed the WN movement of a lot of intelligent people who “get it” about Jews. That, along with the death of Pierce and the demise of the NA, has left White nationalism without a hardcore intellectual center. That void has been filled largely by Kevin MacDonald, and while I like MacDonald, it’s clear that he’s not really cut out to lead this thing (even intellectually) and should be playing second fiddle to somebody like Pierce. 10
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 11, 2011, 07:24 PM | #
The only conspiracy afoot here is that of Argumentum Ad Populum and Confirmation Bias conspiring to cram your perception of events into the oversimplified Manichean “story” that you want to hear. 11
Posted by Zx on September 11, 2011, 07:34 PM | # J Richards seems to get most of his “info” from Eric Hufschmid. Hufschmid is a guy who writes about how David Duke and Ernst Zundel are Zionist agents, and how the moon landings never happened. Oh, and Hufschmid’s half-sister just happens to be Rupert Murdoch’s daughter-in-law. 13
Posted by Lew on September 11, 2011, 07:59 PM | # J Richards’ specialty appears to be attacking and attempting to discredit anyone who does in fact support exposing the Jews’ worst crimes. In his commentary, I have noticed that he tends to mix important truths with lies, half-lies and that old saw that anyone who disagrees is a Jew, useful idiot, controlled opposition, unintelligent or whatever; it is always seems to be something insulting, bad, not collegial and likely to set off conflict. Richards and I exchanged words a while back, and he said my views on the Fed were “superficial” when I pointed out that the Fed would not exist if Warburg and the other Jews behind the Fed had not received indispensable help and cooperation from elite White gentiles. Those are the basic facts from the historical record. According to J Richards’ account of the Fed, however (from what I could gather in our brief exchange), Jewish influence and only Jewish influence was decisive. The fact that many elite White Gentiles helped to design the Federal Reserve Act, and pass it into law, seems to be a trivial and irrelevant detail according to Richards who from his commentary clearly knows the history of the Fed very well so he cannot be making statements out of ignorance. So on this very important subject, the impact of the US Federal Reserve System, Richards has put forth (IMO) an easily discredited half truth—Jews and Jews alone were responsible for the Fed—rather than the whole truth which cannot be discredited—Jews were highly instrumental in creating the Fed in order gain influence over the US money supply, but they did not act alone. My radar goes up when I see this style of argument—purporting to oppose Jews while pushing easily discredited claims hard. And on the topic of the hoax, there seems to be a similar pattern at work. As with the Fed, Richards once again takes a pretty reasonable position. Jewish involvement in the hoax is a subject that should be addressed full on rather than avoided. I am not sure of Richards’ reasons for wanting to explore this topic, but my own argument for addressing the hoax has to do with the anti-White narrative. If the hoax were truly remote and distant history, avoiding the subject might make some sense, but it is not distant history; it is anything but. The hoax is front and center, today, right now, at this hour somewhere in the world, serving as the foundation of the Jews’ anti-White narrative that proposes Whites are a uniquely evil people. It is a narrative that is being pushed in every school worldwide wherever White children can be found, not 65 years ago but right now. So what we have here is a commenter, J Richards, taking a correct or a least defensible positions on a range of vital issues related to the JQ—the fed and the hoax being but two—and then turning around and surrounding his views on these issue with ridiculous, outlandish and easily discredited statements. The statements in this instance are related to the 9/11 attacks. The goal here might be to get people who don’t know better to write off everything he says on Jewish issues, rather than only the things he says that are outlandish. I will reserve judgment a bit and let Richards clarify is he cares to, but at this point it is hard not to call troll, and a decently sophisticated one at that. 14
Posted by MOB on September 11, 2011, 08:41 PM | # “So-called moon landings”, you mean? lol perfect. : )
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Posted by anon11111 on September 11, 2011, 08:57 PM | #
The idea that there are no people with relevant credentials calling bullshit on the 9/11 official story is a flat-out lie. In fact, the situation is precisely the reverse of what you claim - there are far more “credible” people talking about 9/11 than there are about the Israel Lobby, Jewish promotion of non-White immigration, or racial issues. 16
Posted by FB on September 11, 2011, 08:59 PM | # What does it say about Guessedworker that he lets somebody like J Richards be a featured author on his blog? 17
Posted by Peter1 on September 11, 2011, 09:45 PM | #
No, I was pointing out what the A3P already seems to recognize based on its positions, choice of directors, and use of assets. In accordance with that, a big tent within the framework of Nationalism is beneficial. Also, I couldn’t resist a little indirect fire at the neocon neologism “Truther”. 18
Posted by Lurker on September 11, 2011, 10:05 PM | # I find it hard to buy into the idea that Chechar is jewish. 19
Posted by Guest Lurker on September 11, 2011, 10:37 PM | # Lew wrote:
This post from a while back by another poster might be relevant here: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/bin_laden_is_dead_who_do_we_murder_next/#c109101
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Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 11, 2011, 10:41 PM | #
People worry about my sanity. They should read VNN Forum, Counter-Currents, or Majority Rights on any given day. 21
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 11, 2011, 10:54 PM | #
IMO it is much more plausible that J Richards is a Jew who is trying to make criticism of Jews sound as kooky and ridiculous as possible in order to reinforce negative stereotypes… although it is more plausible still that J Richards is an ideological anti-Semite like Alex Linder (one of thousands in cyberspace) who sees Jews as the fountain of all evil in the world. In contrast, Kevin MacDonald is more of a zoological anti-Semite: his criticism of the Jews is always reasonable, descriptive, and measured. It is always a response to what they are doing. MacDonald criticizes the Jews like Darwin in South America. He records his observations and tries to organize them in a theoretical framework. 22
Posted by A. Linder on September 11, 2011, 11:08 PM | # Posted by FB on September 12, 2011, 12:59 AM | # What does it say about Guessedworker that he lets somebody like J Richards be a featured author on his blog? I’m starting to wonder about that. This is the second post here featuring deliberate, blatant lies about VNN and me personally, and I don’t read this site all the time. Anyone who’s read Ostrovsky can see that the WTC demolition was a Mossad production, and I/VNNF stated that from day one. We have one main thread, stickied, that contains all the information a rational man needs to conclude that planes did not bring the towers down, and Mossad was the only group with the wherewithal to produce the event. J Richards is a liar. The only questions are who he actually is, and precisely which agenda he’s serving. 23
Posted by J Richards on September 11, 2011, 11:11 PM | # @Graham Lister I’m not calling people controlled opposition if they disagree with me. Contrast my comments on Parrott, Sallis and Johnson. I don’t see much utility for the Israel Lobby argument. When I heard about the Harvard Work, I didn’t bother reading it. I was like… Duh! All politicians know it, many educated people know it and many others couldn’t be bothered exploring it. But almost everyone, regardless of their political views, understands the language of massacre and mayhem. So what should I expose? If you wish to expose the Israeli lobby, be my guest and start blogging. Leave the shootings and shekels bits to me. The Holocaust Industry is garbage. Finkelstein says that Jews have exploited the holy of the holies, whereas the truth’s that they’ve exploited a hoax. I’d much rather refer people to Germar Rudolf. @Parrott Do you realize that the term ‘truther’ comes from the cultural Marxist cookbook? What can we infer about your adoption of the rhetoric originating in the community that you claim to dislike? 24
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 11, 2011, 11:16 PM | #
The Federal Reserve is actually the third incarnation of a “central bank” in American history ... the previous two incarnations being the First Bank of the United States, which was the brainchild of Alexander Hamilton, and the Second Bank of the United States, which was famously killed by Andrew Jackson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bank_of_the_United_States The bank question roiled American politics for decades in the Early Republic. Monetary policy was also fiercely debated in the Gilded Age. These debates were going on long before the Jews rose to power in the 20C. Likewise, the “Civil Rights Movement” goes back to Reconstruction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1866 See in particular the Civil Rights Act of 1875, the brainchild of Charles Sumner and “Beast” Butler of Massachusetts, which was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1883. http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/122/recon/civilrightsact.html
“Integration” in the United States goes back to the aftermath of the War Between the States ... in some cases, a handful of states never had Jim Crow laws, Vermont and New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Minnesota come to mind. By the 1950s, New England and the Midwest (with some exceptions like Rhode Island and Indiana) had been free of Jim Crow for over half a century. Jim Crow was practiced in the South until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. A diluted form of Jim Crow existed in the West until the 1950s with Arizona being the last Western state to repeal its Jim Crow laws. 25
Posted by J Richards on September 11, 2011, 11:18 PM | # @Guest Lurker Your comment assumes that there are no wolves in sheep’s clothing, that there’s no infiltration. Guess what? There was a time when whites were 90% of Americans and there were plenty of nationalists and patriots. They didn’t particularly concern themselves with the infiltration problem. Now they’re dead and the geezers are wondering what happened to their country. A classic example of the infiltration problem comes from the Spanish Inquisition, starting in 1478. It was high time to identify and remove the crypto Jews that had infiltrated the clergy. 14 years later, the Church had to sheepishly admit that the task was near impossible as some of the most trusted among their own turned out to be cryptos. The monarchy told the Church, ‘you pathetic losers can’t do sh*t…’ and ordered all Jews out of Spain. They figured that the cryptos will remain but who’ll they network with on the outside if there are no Jews around? If you’re genuine you better learn from the past. If you’re malicious you’ll naturally continue to accuse me of promoting internal strife. @anon / uh I’ve justified my comments whereas you haven’t. You’ve still to explain the lackluster response of VNN, why chechar gets the heebie jeebies when he does,... @Owen That Michael Polignano and Greg Johnson may be lovers has no bearing on the integrity of counter currents publishing. The white nationalists you’re describing aren’t WN; they’re ‘WN.’ There was a time when WNs were mostly judeomaniacs and khazarphiles, like me. They were superceded in the media by ‘WNs’; people of the kosher variety: the BRA (black-run America), anti-jihad and let’s-fraternize-with-the-Jews crowds. I’ll let you guess who funded this. 26
Posted by Wandrin on September 11, 2011, 11:24 PM | #
Probably means he’s been busy doing practical political work. 27
Posted by J Richards on September 11, 2011, 11:26 PM | # @Zx The reasoning Hufschmid uses to justify his suspicion that David Duke and Ernst Zundel are working [not necessarily voluntarily] for the Jews matters, which you haven’t linked to and haven’t refuted. Do these and then ask me why I’ve cited Hufschmid. Avoid ad hominem and raise the caliber of discussion. @Lew Go easy on the straw men. You didn’t respond when I explained that Woodrow Wilson had been groomed by Bernard Baruch, JEW, and misled into signing the Federal Reserve Act, which he deeply regretted later and eventually lamented that he had ruined his country. Another example from the time is William Jennings Bryan. When Bryan ran against Mckinley, Mckinley was clearly the bankers man as he supported the gold standard whereas Bryan supported silver, which the bankers had steadily removed from circulation and demonetized, causing many Americans to become destitute. Yet Bryan was duped into supporting the Federal Reserve Act. Disillusioned, Bryan resigned from the Woodrow Wilson administration and later regretted his part in promoting the Federal Reserve Act. This could go on, but the picture’s clear. The chief architects were Jews, who preferred to work behind the scenes; there was an occasional non-Jewish scumbag—-such as Aldrich—-who’d be the front man; there were a whole bunch of ignorant or misled people; there were bribed individuals and there were cryptos. Remove the Jews and there’s no way Aldrich could’ve succeeded in passing a bankers’ bill. So who’s really to blame? 28
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 11, 2011, 11:37 PM | # J Richards,
My bad. It seemed like a harmless label, one which adds “-er” to “truth”. What can be inferred here is that I’m a hapless puppet of my Jewish overlords who control my thoughts and actions through subtle semantic distortions that invert my perception of reality. I would point out that truthers created and applied the label to themselves, actually. But, of course, those who did so were “controlled opposition” injecting toxic memes into the *** movement. Or, perhaps my sarcasm is a tactic right out of the Mossad handbook for defusing threats to my overlords. The real problem with your worldview is that if Jews really were as smart as you think they are and really were as powerful and effective as you think they are, they would have tracked somebody as smart as you down and either deactivated you or initiated you into the Parrottsphere False Opposition Club (PFOC). Given that I don’t see your name on my registry and you’re still breathing, I’m forced to conclude that your worldview is critically flawed. 29
Posted by anon / uh on September 11, 2011, 11:38 PM | #
Hombre has written hundreds of very long pages and thousands of comments brimming with some of the best Jew-crit in the ‘sphere. Hadding at VNNF was the first to cry Jew at Chechar — for being a Mexican of Spanish descent, as seen on his Facebook page. In other words, pure irrational prejudice. This guy Cesar Tort spends a good deal of his waking hours criticizing Jews and their ugly fun-house reality, and that from the novel perspective of someone disillusioned by the psychiatric profession, and he’s STILL called a Jew. J Richards obviously took his cue from Hadding.
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Posted by anon / uh on September 11, 2011, 11:41 PM | # @ Parrott LOLLOLZOZOLZLZOLLLZOLLZ well played, sir. 31
Posted by Lew on September 11, 2011, 11:44 PM | #
Chechar, I believe, in addition to producing much original commentary, is translating COC into Spanish with KMDs blessing. 32
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 12, 2011, 12:05 AM | #
This is the second time in American history that we have lived through Black Run Amerika - the first time around it lasted from 1866 until 1896. The Reconstruction experiment collapsed under fierce and persistent Southern resistance, but it survived in parts of the North. Have you ever seen The Birth of a Nation? We have been down this road before. Blacks have been elevated over Whites before in the name of “civil rights.” It was going on long before the Jews rose to power here. http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=FbYXF5HmEds&ob=av1e&feature=mv_sr Why do “White Nationalists” blame all their problems on the Jews? It is because “White Nationalism” is the Yankee version of racialism - an abstract ideology, which requires a villain - that allows Whites to claim the mantle of victimhood. As the “victims,” Whites can ignore all the inconvenient facts of their own racial history like the Reconstruction Amendments and the origins of the “Civil Rights Movement” and the “womens’ rights movement” and their own indigenous tradition of anti-racist fanaticism that goes back to the Quakers and the Unitarians and the “acquisition” of mestizos in New Mexico, Asians in Hawaii, TR’s Puerto Rico mistake, importing cheap labor from China and Japan, the sectional vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and granting citizenship to Indians in 1924. We can pretend that JFK and Hubert Humphrey were Jews. It was the Jews who made Charles Sumner and “Beast” Butler pass the Civil Rights Act of 1875. It was the Jews that made Pennsylvania repeal its anti-miscegenation law in the 1780s. It doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The original anti-White alliance was struck between Yankee fanatics like John Brown and Charles Sumner and blacks like Frederick Douglass who was married to a white woman who was descended from the Mayflower settlers. Helen Pitts Douglass was a feminist and an abolitionist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Pitts_Douglass In the 20C, Jews were added to the alliance. Later, it was expanded to include “people of color,” non-Christians, homosexuals, secular intellectuals, victimized government workers and every other form of deviant. It has always been a coalition of marginalized groups who perceive themselves as “outsiders.” Jews are the most powerful element in the “progressive” coalition today. If every Jew in America disappeared tomorrow, “progressivism” would be seriously weakened, but it would still exist. It would still exist because it was here before the Jews. As Breivik pointed out, it thrives in European countries with few Jews because they are only one constituent element of it. 33
Posted by Peter1 on September 12, 2011, 12:29 AM | # The Night of the Long Knives is supposed to come after a successful revolution. Jesus Christ, even third-worlders know that. @Parrott 34
Posted by anon11111 on September 12, 2011, 12:47 AM | #
I basically agree, but the point is that the pseudo-WN blogs clearly have the upper hand in the online WN universe at this point. If you were to map out all the WN sites as a social network, stuff like Stormfront and the Parrottsphere (AmRen, AltRight, Occidental Dissent, TOO, TOQ Online, A3P, CofCC) would occupy the center, and most of the serious, Judeo-critical stuff would be at the periphery. That’s not how it should be, and not how it was in the early 2000s. Most of the people talking about Jewish involvement in 9/11 aren’t WNs. Same goes for pretty much every other area of Jewish perfidy, except for their promotion of immigration, although even this issue is gradually becoming a taboo (forbidden entirely at AmRen and AltRight, Parrott prefers to blame Teddy Kennedy but will acknowledge Jewish involvement when under pressure, etc.) I do, however, think you are a little overzealous in your criticisms (e.g. Duke’s not phony opposition; Chechar’s not a Jew, just an obnoxious prick, etc.) but the problem you point out is very real and I share your frustration. 35
Posted by Lew on September 12, 2011, 01:04 AM | # J (Jew?) Richards, When it comes to Jews, you do a good job mixing truth and distortion. I take it that is your intent—to distort the truth about Jews 36
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 12, 2011, 01:10 AM | # Peter1, Alright, alright. I’ll stop using the word “truther”. Unfortunately, the alternatives that spring to mind are even less charitable. Let’s settle this once and for all. You tell me what to call *** right now and that’s what I will call them from here on out. Thermitians, perhaps? Words are reflections of what they define and take on the aroma of whatever they’re marinated in. It’s why Blacks have to rotate their label every few decades, why the pleasant word “gay” gradually came to imply creepy and effeminate, and why Truther came to imply pissy, obsessive, and delusional. anon1111,
“Matt Parrott” +1965 +“Ted Kennedy” +Jews “Matt Parrott” +1965 +“Ted Kennedy” -Jews * That single result was in a book I’m hosting, not a book I wrote. Now, what can we infer from this? 37
Posted by Guest Lurker on September 12, 2011, 02:17 AM | # J Richards wrote:
On the contrary, extrapolating from your rabid behavior here, I fully accept the very real possibility you yourself are one who is here to sew dissension. As Lew pointed out, you’ve consistently mixed in fact with fabrications or wild jumping to conclusions and then expect people to validate your speculations. Breivik was a zionist. The people Breivik killed were anti-zionists. Thus Breivik must have been part of a mossad operation. Anyone who disagrees with your jumping to conclusions in the absence of more substantiating evidence would be suspect. And in addition here, with your newest offering, you’ve been caught in a bald-faced lie about Vnn claiming they’ve never taken up the 9/11 issue, when there have been innumerable threads on that site related to the issue. If the administration there has not taken an official position to unequivocally state “J**WS DID 9/11”, perhaps it’s for tactical reasons as someone here already explained. Maybe the VNN administrators don’t possess the same certitude on the subject that somebody like yourself who seems to have already made up his mind in advance of every issue and tailors the facts to fit his own preconceptions. But you go further: You surmise they are “controlled opposition”. The result? Mistrust. Mission accomplished.
A rabid jackal shows up, accuses people of being infiltrators or outright zhids, and then admonishes others to sober reflection and to refrain from malice. That’s chutzpah! “The J*w cries out as he kicks you in pain.” 38
Posted by anon1111111111 on September 12, 2011, 02:26 AM | #
What I infer from it: on your own site, Hoosier Nation, over which you have 100% control, you promote the view that Teddy Kennedy is responsible for the 1965 immigration act. You also actively promoted this book at OD, as part of some “book club”, so your claim that you are merely “hosting” the book is completely disingenuous. On the other Parrottsphere sites, where you are or were a mod/admin but do not have 100% control as you do over your own site, you say the bare minimum about Jews that you have to in order to maintain credibility (which varies according to site/audience), but no more. It’s very, very obvious that you’re trying to push for less criticism of Jews. The need to establish limits on the extent to which Jews are criticized is a very prominent theme of your writing. I noticed that you did not address my point about there being more “credible” people advocating 9/11 Truth than there are promoting White nationalism. Several people essentially pointed this out to you in this thread (by mentioning AE 9/11 and Journal of 9/11 Studies), and you ignored it then as well. That’s very interesting. 39
Posted by Peter1 on September 12, 2011, 03:02 AM | #
Matt, While I’m critical of the term “Truther”, it’s obviously your right and your call as to how to address or describe skeptics of the official account of 9/11. There are a multitude of accurate descriptions and associated shorthands for those skeptics that are real words in the English language. 41
Posted by Peter1 on September 12, 2011, 03:25 AM | # I suppose I should add ” 42
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 12, 2011, 04:05 AM | # @ J Richards OK so you would direct ordinary and everyday associates to hard-core Holocaust denial as your opening gambit!!! What ‘signal’ do you think that sends - nut-job/neo-Nazi/fruit-cake by any chance? No wonder normal people are seemingly uninterested as your approach massively raises the ‘psychological costs’ of engagement for them while simultaneously reducing your own creditability to zero. It would be career and personal suicide for a professional person to ‘recommend’ 9/11 conspiracy theories, let alone hard-core Holocaust denial to people in their circle. Shall we try keeping the discourse within the realms of what can be rationally and reasonably defended? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which is sadly lacking in your 9/11 file. The other day there was a TV show about a group of British 9/11 ‘truthers’ - they talked about garbage like the ‘Illuminati’ being behind world events etc. They looked and sounded like deluded losers and kooks. Sensible people don’t fashion tin-foil hats at the drop of a hat (pardon the pun). Equally the world and human affairs are rather complex phenomena - why the obsessive focus upon a single ‘catch-all’ monocausal ‘explanation’ - hardly a very intelligent approach to any serious issue. I’m skeptical about many official accounts of events such as 9/11. Governments regularly lie etc., BUT, and it’s a massive but, that does not mean I’m ready to sign-up to any old conspiracy crap floating around in cyberspace. Yes we should be open to alternative ideas but not so open-minded that our brains slip out of our heads. And frankly even if you are right on 9/11 of what strategic importance is it with regard to the core issues that MR addresses - namely the insanity of hyper-liberalism and its most obviously pernicious effect upon European populations (3rd world mass-migration/multiculturalism)? 43
Posted by Wandrin on September 12, 2011, 04:12 AM | #
There’s a fundamental difference. White liberals are liberals. They believe liberal values lead to the greater good. (That’s not entirely true, some have other motivations but at its base the people involved think they’re doing the right thing.) Jewish “liberals” or left-liberals are Jewish tribal nationalists. They promote left-liberal idealogy - which was developed as cultural marxism - precisely because they think it harms the group cohesion of their tribal enemies. They do it as an act of stealth cultural warfare. The cultural marxists were quite explicit about their hostile intentions and their desire to destroy western civilization from within. They simply disguised the tribal warfare element as anti-capitalist or anti-bourgeois rather than anti-white. So yes you’re right but there is a big difference at the same time. (The thing about the Scandinavians and Dutch is their nature meant they embraced the multicult with the minimal amount of Jewish prompting - just a few Hollywood films from afar - but that nature also means they’ll snap out of it easier as they realise it doesn’t lead to the greater good.) .
It has predictive value. (Although it can be overdone.) If the Jewish element wasn’t dominant the recent storming of the Israeli embassy in Egypt wouldn’t have completely changed the dynamics of the presidential election but i think it has. I believe they’ll want guaranteed Iran hawks as candidates for both parties which means Obama has to go. 44
Posted by J Richards on September 12, 2011, 04:22 AM | # GW’s stance To those wondering about GW’s position, he’s made it clear that MR’s a discussion website. Proper discussion can’t be facilitated unless there’s a reasonable level of freedom of speech. If he tolerates me on the one hand and also tolerates Hoffmeister, what can you infer from it? Not much about what he endorses but certainly that he respects freedom of speech. In a similar manner, his stance toward conspiracies is one of agnosticism, not explicit/tacit endorsement or denial. If you’ve got a problem with me, discuss it with me. Don’t involve him. 45
Posted by J Richards on September 12, 2011, 04:30 AM | # @Linder What lies have I espoused about VNN or you? When an ostensibly judeomaniac administration treats 9/11 in a lackluster manner, seemingly oblivious to its awakening potential, in sharp contrast to the rather colorful language they use to describe more trivial indiscretions on the part of Jews, something’s odd, and pointing this out isn’t lying. Making a sticky post that’s buried somewhere doesn’t make for powerful or enthusiastic advertizing. You didn’t leave a link to this sticky post so that we see how enthusiastic your presentation is. The logical place for this sticky post would be in “The problem” fora of the executive summary. I could only find one relevant sticky posting: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=80611 (Jews Produce False Flags to Benefit Israel ) It starts off with a link to a pdf hosted by American Free Press [kosher] that doesn’t make any clear argument of Israeli orchestration of 9/11, and you didn’t post it. Your contributions are a note on the USS Liberty incident and the anthrax mailings following 9/11. The USS Liberty article includes disinformation that the attack was caused by Israelis after they figured that the American ship had realized that Israel rather than Egypt had attacked the other first, whereas the reason was that Israel wanted to sink the ship and blame it on Egypt to get America involved. One anthrax piece you linked includes the disinformation: “On the day of September 11, 2001 the Mossad was waiting for al-Qaeda to strike”! What they do is trade a less serious accusation with a more serious one. In other words, Mossad knew about the impending Al-Qaeda strike, let it happen and then mailed the anthrax. The other article on the anthrax mailings is useless. One member left a link to an external site that made a proper argument for Israel orchestrating 9/11, which went without comment from you. If there’s a better thread than this, then it’s buried somewhere and not so obvious. In contrast, here’s one of your posting where you’re more sober:
So where’s the lie? You’ve also referenced Ostrovsky, a Jew. There’s no telling what sort of disinformation he’s included. And now that you’ve raised the issue, it’s also curious that your commentary on the Norway incident expresses the same gloat or satisfaction that most extensively comes from Jews, who had everything to gain from it, so much so that even Chechar had a high level of praise for it. Again, this is documented and verifiable, not a lie. Maybe you have an explanation, especially in light of this: http://www.majorityrights.com/norwegian.massacre ... which it’s strange that someone with your presumably sophisticated Jewdar and intelligence couldn’t arrive at. 46
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 05:41 AM | # Posted by Graham_Lister on September 12, 2011, 08:05 AM | # @ J Richards OK so you would direct ordinary and everyday associates to hard-core Holocaust denial as your opening gambit!!! What ‘signal’ do you think that sends - nut-job/neo-Nazi/fruit-cake by any chance? No wonder normal people are seemingly uninterested as your approach massively raises the ‘psychological costs’ of engagement for them while simultaneously reducing your own creditability to zero. It would be career and personal suicide for a professional person to ‘recommend’ 9/11 conspiracy theories, let alone hard-core Holocaust denial to people in their circle. Shall we try keeping the discourse within the realms of what can be rationally and reasonably defended? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which is sadly lacking in your 9/11 file. The other day there was a TV show about a group of British 9/11 ‘truthers’ - they talked about garbage like the ‘Illuminati’ being behind world events etc. They looked and sounded like deluded losers and kooks. Sensible people don’t fashion tin-foil hats at the drop of a hat (pardon the pun). Equally the world and human affairs are rather complex phenomena - why the obsessive focus upon a single ‘catch-all’ monocausal ‘explanation’ - hardly a very intelligent approach to any serious issue. I’m skeptical about many official accounts of events such as 9/11. Governments regularly lie etc., BUT, and it’s a massive but, that does not mean I’m ready to sign-up to any old conspiracy crap floating around in cyberspace. Yes we should be open to alternative ideas but not so open-minded that our brains slip out of our heads. And frankly even if you are right on 9/11 of what strategic importance is it with regard to the core issues that MR addresses - namely the insanity of hyper-liberalism and its most obviously pernicious effect upon European populations (3rd world mass-migration/multiculturalism)?
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Posted by Matt Parrott on September 12, 2011, 07:25 AM | # anon, I criticize Jews pretty regularly at a site over which I have 100% control, despite the fact that the site is focused on news in a state with relatively few Jews. Your narrative is evidently bunk, and debunked by the readily available data. 48
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 07:32 AM | # From a Christian leftist: Writes Fr. Emmanuel Charles McCarthy: Even the New York Times is syndicating Noam Chomsky’s views on 911. This article about “what could have been, should have been, could be, might be” rests on Noam Chomsky’s refusal from day one to even consider the possibility that the causes of 911 were something other than the impossible tale that the US Government began to put out an hour after those two gigantic buildings fell at free fall speed into their own footprints. What Noam Chomsky writes in the article is of little importance. What the article assumes without question, that the US Government’s story is the truth, is of great importance. As one of the big time gatekeepers of the political middle-left to far-left consciousness and media, once Noam Chomsky bestowed his imprimatur on the US Government’s 911 story indicating it was the truth of the matter, political left media and political left peace and justice organizations, including most Christian P&J;groups, closed their minds and doors as completely as Rush Limbaugh to consideration of the possible falaciousness of the Government’s story. Indeed, the “establishment left” media, e.g., Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews. Lawrence O’ Donnell, Ed Schultz, Amy Goodman, etc. regularly trashed the laborious investigatory work and detailed scientific work of 1500 Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth, Dr. David Ray Griffin and thousands of others—work that reveals gross, and impossible to reconcile, logical, scientific, and on the scene eye-witness evidence that put the lie to the 911 Commission Report—by referring to them in the derogatory contemporary nomenclature of “truthers” and “conspiracy nuts.”
The issue is truth and only truth. Punishment of those who are responsible for 911, whoever they may be, does not interest me. Human beings have suffered enough punishment at the hands of other human beings to last for an eternity. Immunity from punishment for all involved is the only path to truth. And, truth is so important in the human situation, that such immunity should be granted without strings attached. The US Government’s story as represented by the 911 Commission Report is rationally indefensible. It is because it is untenable that no one in authority or in the establishment media or in religion—right, left or middle—tries to defend it in open rational dialogue with those who have put in the intellectual labor to reveal the story as logically and scientifically impossible. Wouldn’t it be proper, right, and good for humanity, if Noam Chomsky would sit down in a public forum, say on Frontline, for an open dialogue with Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin on who and what brought down those three WTC mega-structures at free fall speed in their own footprints, etc.? And if Noam Chomsky won’t, you can be sure that the Lawrence O’ Donnells, Rachel Maddows, Sean Hannitys, Amy Goodmans and Rush Limbaughs of the world won’t. There are people who are too overwhelmed with personal problems, e.g., sickness, foreclosure on their homes, a child’s drug addiction, unemployment, to care about the truth of who and what brought down the three WTC buildings. There are others who are temporarily on a joy ride through life for whom the truth about the 911 event is a non-thought. There are people utterly indifferent to what is or is not the truth of the 911 event because they are well-paid to say what they are told to say, to cover what they are told to cover. Then there are people who do not want to see and/or admit that the US Government’s story concerning the human and physical causes of 911 cannot possibly be true because the implications of that are shockingly terrifying in the extreme. Noam Chomsky I believe is in the latter category. When a person of his intellect blocks out or feigns not to see evidence that anyone’s eyes can see and proofs that are scientifically valid, and will not even address the issues involved when his entire adult life has been addressing just such issues, something is very wrong. What he is doing is comparable to his saying during the Vietnam War, “I believe the US Government’s story that it was the Viet Cong that killed those innocent people at My Lai. All this talk about Lt. William Calley and those in his command doing it and the Government covering it all up is so ridiculous that I am not even going to address the issues being raised.” When a person of Noam Chomsky’s intellect and learning does this, that is denies the obvious, he is afraid of something. By this I do not mean in Chomsky’s case that he fears for his personal survival nor for his reputation. His personal courage is clear beyond dispute. But then, what is it that he is so afraid of that motivates him to shut down such an exquisite mind in relation 911 and the evidence that has been accumulated by equally competent intellects which reveals grave falsehoods with equally grave implications in the US Government’s story? Why must he posture and make believe that there is nothing to be investigated and possibly seen when he knows very well that there is a Mount Everest of prima facie evidence, if not conclusive evidence, that points overwhelmingly to there being something unbearably distressing to be investigated and possibly seen? Whatever it is, it is exactly the same fear that keeps all of the major networks, all the major cable operations, all the major newspaper organizations, indeed all the major media corporations, all the Congress and all the Executive Branch unanimously dead silent on the subject. It is the all that is telltale sign that something is going on below the radar. Imagine if those three WTC giant buildings were not, could not, have been brought to totally collapse in their own footprints by those two planes! What would be the implications to be derived from this one fact? The axial question then whose answer must be truthfully ascertained is this: Could those three buildings have been brought down, free fall speed and in their own footprints by those two planes? The scientific answer to date, 9/11/11, is a resounding, “No.” It would be rational in light of his history, if Noam Chomsky specifically addressed that question, even if he did not want to address any of the other evidence that conclusively puts the lie to the US Government’s Official 911 Commission Report. Truth has more power to save what he fears will be lost by revealing it, than does human existence operating under the continuing and ever intensifying gravity of lies, fear and murder. The extreme and dreadful problem with not pursuing the truth in such matters as the mass murder operation of September 11, 2001, as Noam well knows, is innocent victims, and more innocent victims, and still more innocent victims, and ever more innocent victims, and innocent victims without end at home and abroad until the third and fourth generation and even beyond. Such is the unspeakable power of contagion within an unaddressed socially orchestrated deception. An evil that is left unnamed will perpetuate itself with lavish zeal. Exposing lies that destroy is mercy. Ignoring lies that destroy is mercilessness. Supporting lies that destroy is murder. Emanuel Charles McCarthy Postscript: Let us also remember to pray today for the repose of the soul of Salvador Allende, who was murdered 38 years ago on September 11, 1973, by Henry Kissinger operating on behalf of the US Government and American multi-national corporations. www.centerforchristiannonviolence.org 49
Posted by Thorn on September 12, 2011, 09:16 AM | # 9/11, the Damage of the Aftermath and the Brightness Ahead Sunday, September 11, 2011 – by Anthony Wile Anthony WileMany of today’s articles in the mainstream press will focus on 9/11 and its aftermath in terms of a war on terror. But here at DB, we take it sorrowfully for granted that the 9/11 narrative is not accurate and that something else happened on that day that is not being reported. This article is not aimed primarily at examining the mechanism of 9/11 so much as its aftermath – and where the next decade may bring us. Our conclusion may surprise you, dear reader, but that’s only because we take a different view of history than most and as an alternative media source, we try to provide a viewpoint you will not find elsewhere. Of course, we must admit the first decade of the 20th Century has been a horrid one by anyone’s calculation. As horrible as the actual 9/11 attack was, the aftermath has been far worse, turning the US – once the freest country in the world – into a country where civil rights have been eroded and people are encouraged to spy on one another. Many civil and judicial protections developed in the past 1,000 years have been shoved aside by the “war on terror.” Increasingly, the war on terror, in the minds of many critics, is a war on civil society; the victims are those in America and the West who are being relentlessly stripped of their rights. Of course, the trouble begins with the official story, which is patently unreasonable. The only definitive report on 9/11 has been renounced by several of the commissioners who participated in it.
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Posted by Dasein on September 12, 2011, 09:25 AM | # Steve ‘Mayan Jesus’ Jones:
http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm Richard ‘cardboard box’ Gage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVoencqfZw http://www.911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html I’m agnostic about the cause of the collapse of the towers. I do think there was foreknowledge about the attacks, and that elements within the intelligence service helped the hijackers avoid arrest before 9/11. Given that, it’s conceivable that whoever knew would want to ensure that there was maximum damage. But I don’t find the claims for CD convincing. Even Dylan Avery, one of the makers of Loose Change, has backed off from most of the inside job claims and has adopted the foreknowledge position. 51
Posted by john on September 12, 2011, 09:57 AM | # Fuel from the planes lit the office furniture and the heat melted the girders and the building fell down and then building seven fell down in sympathy. 52
Posted by Jupiter7 on September 12, 2011, 10:00 AM | # 19 arabs did…it wasn’t all that diffiucult to knock the Twin Towers down ..the 9/11 truthers can’t accept this..it was just as easy when Major Nidal shot up Fort Hood. 9/11 and the Fort Hood shooting are a massive indicment of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act. Very likely the Israelis were tracking the 9/11 terrorists and withheld this information from the US Goverment. Main Point:Millions of Native Born White Americans-ten years after 9/11-find it incomprehensible that 9/11 ever occured. They shouildn’t be..it was competetly predictable and inevitabe consequence of decades of massive intellectual and civic sloth. The “Intellectual Giants” of the 9/11 Truth movement-Steven Jones and Dylan Ayers-were exposed as complete jackass fools two weeks ago on a Nat Geo special. And even if the Israelies were tracking the 9/11 terrorists, it was the stupidity of millions of Native White Americans that made 9/11 a 100 percent certainty. If there had been a National Origins Immigration Policy in place since 1965 that completely excluded Muslims, 9/11 never would have happened. 9/11 Truthers makae my skin crawl. 53
Posted by anon / uh on September 12, 2011, 10:11 AM | # A love note to everyone at MajorityRights (except PF and J Richards). 54
Posted by Dasein on September 12, 2011, 10:40 AM | # I think JR’s earlier work at MR was good. I’m not a fan of his latest stuff. Obviously, he’s a bright guy, but he’s adopted a mindset that shoehorns facts into existing narratives (conspiracies). For example, in his ABB essay, he finds it suspicious that the manifesto was written in English. If it was written in Norwegian, that would be suspicious. In his Duke thread, he says that because Duke is a ‘kosher’ Nazi, he avoids legal problems. But when Duke is arrested in Czech, that is to boost his book sales. 55
Posted by Lew on September 12, 2011, 11:37 AM | # There are different levels of 9/11 disinformation and propaganda. What all of this disinformation has in common is that it diverts attention from the most CREDIBLE position on Jewish involvement and complicity in 9/11: Jews had foreknowledge and allowed it to happen to mobilize the US for full-scale war against Israel’s enemies. The first level of propaganda is that “19 Muslims with box cutters did 9/11 because they hate us for our freedom.” This level is sufficient to shut down the thought process for most on the left side of the bell curve and many on the right side who are too busy with their lives to further investigate the matter. The next levels of disinformation are designed to confuse various factions who are smarter than average and do have time to pay attention but who are not “Jew wise,” and the objective of the disinformation is make sure they stay that way. You might hear something like “Muslims did 9/11 in response to US aggression in the Middle East,” but the claim will be put forward without mentioning Jewish influence on US policy. This is the half-lie approach that muddles the facts for people who might be inclined, for example, to pay attention to Pat Buchanan’s perspective—they [Muslims] were over here because we were over there due to AIPAC and Jewish neocon influence. For thinking lefties, the disinformation is often a variant on something like this: 9/11 was an inside job carried out by Bush and Cheney to help Haliburton and the Military Industrial Complex. Again, no mention of Jews or Israel which muddies the water for the lefties who might want to emphasize AIPACs role in shaping US policy. Then there is all the various controlled demolition disinformation. It is intended to throw up dust everywhere and, once again, direct suspicion away from Jews and also, more importantly, waste skeptical peoples’ time by getting them to read, discuss and promote pseudo-scientific trash. The engineers and scientists who back the various “something other than planes” did it theories promote what the vast majority of scientific specialists regard as outcast positions. And finally there is the disinformation aimed at the potential audience for the reasonable Jew-wise community on the White Right. The tactic here is to flood important sites like TOO with easily discredited nonsense about Jews that makes reasonable Jew critics like KMD look foolish. 56
Posted by A. Linder on September 12, 2011, 12:30 PM | # What lies have I espoused about VNN or you? Well, off the top of my head, you accused me of being on some medication I’ve never heard of. And you didn’t speculate, you stated it as fact. The clear intention was to put the idea out there that I had mental problems. You, J Richards, are a liar, and your words about WN are intended to smear their character and lower them in the eyes of neutrals. The fact that GuessedWorker allows you to post as a MR poster puts his own motives in question. Your piece about Breivik being a Mossad front was pure clownage. At this point, like Lew, I have to assume your intent is what it seems to be - helping the enemy by rendering our cause ridiculous and stirring hostility among the WN and implicit conservatives. When an ostensibly judeomaniac administration treats 9/11 in a lackluster manner, seemingly oblivious to its awakening potential, in sharp contrast to the rather colorful language they use to describe more trivial indiscretions on the part of Jews, something’s odd, and pointing this out isn’t lying. Making a sticky post that’s buried somewhere doesn’t make for powerful or enthusiastic advertizing. You didn’t leave a link to this sticky post so that we see how enthusiastic your presentation is. The logical place for this sticky post would be in “The problem” fora of the executive summary. I could only find one relevant sticky posting: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=80611 (Jews Produce False Flags to Benefit Israel ) So in your own head you come up with an Absolute Idea of how every event must be covered, and anyone who doesn’t do it that way is obviously coopted by the enemy? If you’re not an enemy, you’re a fool in the pseudo-expert Maguire vein. Guess what not-J Richards? No one died and appointed you king of how to react to world happenings. Somehow in your review you must have missed this thread, stickied in main forum, General Discussion, “WTC packed with explosives, blown to smithereens.” It has 120,000 views. Only a few threads on the forum have more. http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=30382 Finally, VNNF is a forum. It does not take positions; only individuals do that. The majority of our posters very definitely believes ‘9/11’ or, correct labeled, the WTC demolition, was a Mossad production. I would guess 2/3 of our posters hold that view. A minority thinks the Mossad knew about it. A few believe the 19-Arabs cover story. Those who attempt to destroy the character of others on our side should be shunned. The fact that ‘J Richards’ cites known liar Hufschmid as a credible source is enough to give his game away. 57
Posted by A. Linder on September 12, 2011, 12:59 PM | # On the other Parrottsphere sites, where you are or were a mod/admin but do not have 100% control as you do over your own site, you say the bare minimum about Jews that you have to in order to maintain credibility (which varies according to site/audience), but no more. It’s very, very obvious that you’re trying to push for less criticism of Jews. The need to establish limits on the extent to which Jews are criticized is a very prominent theme of your writing. Yep. Parrott does it just like his hero or former boss Taylor: he takes a position while pretending he’s not. The solution is not to mix and mingle with conservatives, as politically naive MacDonald imagines, but to separate from them and attack them. It is an incredible political mistake to tolerate Jared Taylor or any of his mini-mes in the White movement. That’s how the conservatives got coopted. Having it both ways, which is the real subtitle of the alt-right crowd, never has worked and never will work. Sam Francis’ career is proof. The right way to go is define who we are, who’s our enemy, and keep the line indelible. Then attack the conservatives, polarize the nation until White and jews are seen as the only true and real political divide, and then fight it out until we win. Anything Southern, christian, or conservative is a non-starter. These groups have all proven their utter incompetence to do anything but sit down and go backwards. Attack the conservatives, don’t fawn after them - that’s the idea that will bear sweet, sweet fruit. 58
Posted by anon / uh on September 12, 2011, 12:59 PM | # Man, Alex — this cat has no idea how hard you guys used to debate whodunnit. Remember J.P. Slavjanski’s heroic efforts? It eventually drove him off the forum, and I don’t even remember what side he was on! He’s another out for blood. Like I used to be. 59
Posted by A. Linder on September 12, 2011, 01:14 PM | # What I infer from it: on your own site, Hoosier Nation, over which you have 100% control, you promote the view that Teddy Kennedy is responsible for the 1965 immigration act. You also actively promoted this book at OD, as part of some “book club”, so your claim that you are merely “hosting” the book is completely disingenuous. Notice the compounded ironies. MacDonald writes an academic essay that blames the jews ALONE for producing the 1965 immigration act / revolution. Before it, America was 90% white. After it, eh, not so much. Now, Taylor and his gofer Parrott have read that essay. They know exactly what MacDonald said. They have no counter-evidence of their own. Yet they insist that it was white men to blame for the 1965 revolution. Why would they do that? They’re not stupid. What motive could they possible have other than the obvious one - to exculpate jews? To protect them and make the White cause safe for them to enter and eat. Did not The Polished Turd say he wanted to be the William F. Buckley of white nationalism? And did WFB not cast out Sobran and other principled jew-critics in order to curry favor and reap emoluments from NYC neocon jews? As for MacDonald, why does he allow his personal feeling to trump this curious syncopation and political tergiversation on the part of messrs Parrot and Taylor? Didn’t one of those Germans say something about the utter necessity of separating friends from enemies being the first rule of politics? Our cause manifestly does not know who it is or what it stands for, so how in the world could it ever get anywhere? 60
Posted by Robert Reis on September 12, 2011, 01:38 PM | # http://www.larsschall.com/2011/09/03/911-was-a-fantastically-profitable-covert-operation/ 61
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 02:08 PM | # I think JR’s earlier work at MR was good. I’m not a fan of his latest stuff. Obviously, he’s a bright guy, but he’s adopted a mindset that shoehorns facts into existing narratives (conspiracies). For example, in his ABB essay, he finds it suspicious that the manifesto was written in English. If it was written in Norwegian, that would be suspicious. In his Duke thread, he says that because Duke is a ‘kosher’ Nazi, he avoids legal problems. But when Duke is arrested in Czech, that is to boost his book sales. (DASEIN) DASEIN, Very well said (I intend to plagiarize the bolded phrase - it’s apt and perfect, a stiletto in the hearts of most conspiracists). You’re one of the most levelheaded persons in these parts. I wish you would write more. If you (or GW) should ever find yourselves in my part of the globe, let me know, and I’d be happy to take you out for dinner and drinks. The conversation would be most edifying, at least for me, I’m quite sure. 62
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 12, 2011, 02:28 PM | # Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Hence they can lead to poor decisions, especially in organizational, military, political and social contexts. 63
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 02:31 PM | # The right way to go is define who we are, who’s our enemy, and keep the line indelible. Then attack the conservatives, polarize the nation until White and jews are seen as the only true and real political divide, and then fight it out until we win. (ALEX LINDER) Mr. Linder, Do you really believe this - or are you just trying to make a name for yourself as the most ‘hardcore’ of the WNs? How do you polarize the nation? Who exactly is your base, if not disgruntled conservatives (or by “conservatives” are you referring to ‘movement’ people, as opposed to the grassroots)? What’s your timeline? I assume you understand that real, untainted Whites (like us) will be a minority of the US (and an older one) by 2020-25, unless the invasion is immediately stopped. Even from your own judeocritical perspective, wouldn’t it make more (Machiavellian) sense to try to create a super-Big Tent against immigration - and then turn on our allies once that goal has been achieved? I am personally acquainted with several Jews who are hostile to immigration. What is the point of alienating them, at least before the invasion has been terminated? (NB - I’m not saying I would join you in such an endeavor. I’m loyal to my friends, as to my nation and race.) I’m always willing to give anyone openly pro-White the benefit of the doubt, but your positions seem very counterintuitive to me. We need to be vigilant against allowing personal animosities to cloud our strategic realism. 64
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 12, 2011, 02:33 PM | #
Jared Taylor is a great Virginian. He could mix and mingle with the vast majority of White conservatives in Virginia ... if he only had the means at his disposal to do so.
Alex’s solution is to declare war on his own neighbors - after ten years of the “polarization strategy,” how is it working in Kirksville?
Of course, much of what Sam Francis was saying in the 1990s has become the conventional wisdom since that time, especially over the last five years, and particularly within the last three years.
So that’s how you intend to communicate with your peers in Missouri: your strategy is to insult their beliefs, preach blasphemy, ridicule them, glorify Hitler, and “name the Jew” ... and you think that ordinary people are going to be persuaded to join you? After ten years of trying this strategy, how is it working out for you?
It’s funny how White Nationalists keep saying that ... when it was Southerners, Christians, and conservatives who voted against everything from the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to the DREAM Act in Congress last year. The South is the only region of the country where significant numbers of Whites are are still explicitly racial. If the South had its own national legislature, we wouldn’t have any of these problems. The South doesn’t want multiculturalism, gay marriage, illegal immigration, affirmative action, coddling blacks, etc. These are all ideas which have thrived in the North and which have been imposed upon the South via the U.S. Congress.
Here’s another proposal: seeing as how Dixie has always been White, since the very beginning of our civilization, seeing as how Dixie was a “White man’s country” for centuries before obscure Neo-Nazis in the 1970s began to talk about “White Nationalism” ... we don’t really need the White Nationalist movement here. There are millions of Whites in Dixie that are explicitly racially conscious and millions more who are borderline explicitly White. Less than 1 percent of them are involved in White Nationalism. The vast majority of them are involved in the conservative movement. There’s probably a reason for that. So, instead of interacting with the ideological descendants of George Lincoln Rockwell’s stormtroopers, who was seen as a clown in the 1960s when he came to Alabama, we should instead focus our energies on making Southern conservatism more explicitly racial, which is actually showing some promising signs given the sweeping changes in White racial attitudes in the region which are showing up in the polls. Every Neo-Nazi organization from George Lincoln Rockwell to Harold Covington’s Northwest Front has been a failure. We’ve dealt with this problem in the South before in Reconstruction. It took thirty years to reverse the racial verdict that was imposed upon us after the war. We’re about 46 years into Black Run Amerika and it too is clearly running out of steam here. 65
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 02:35 PM | # Who the hell is “anon/uh”? The dude from Belize, the old “uh”, or were “anon” and “uh” always the same person? The old phora problems notwithstanding, this site ought to register people with regular usernames. 66
Posted by MOB on September 12, 2011, 02:42 PM | # You are one talkative group of people. When I was on my laptop this morning, the last Comment, which I wrote this response to, was:
Wherever he is, it’s interesting to note the negative effect his absence has on the list; just as the top person sets the tone of the entire corporation, the owner or moderator sets the tone of the list. GW sets a high tone. Kevin MacDonald also appears to have been absent for a few days. Although his name wasn’t listed on the NPI announcement of the Sept. 10 Towards a New Nationalism weekend in D.C., with several of his close friends/colleagues as featured speakers and more, surely, as attendees, it seems possible that he’s there. Maybe it would be a good thing for GW to be there, too. (He might even bump into his friend, Troy.) Two of the ten speakers listed are Jews; that’s a given for the various groups represented at the conference. Which reminds me again of Alex Linder’s review of Paul Gottfried’s 1993 book, The Conservative Movement:
Several years later, I’m not sure the Internet has had the impact Linder may have thought possible when he wrote this. The 2006 American Renaissance meeting was the one at which David Duke’s presence provoked such outrage in Jewish Michael Hart that he stormed out of the room with a loud, blasphemous shout (actually a phrase, the second word being “you”). The tangible consequence of this incident came in the form of Jared Taylor’s infamous April 2006 letter, in which he formally laid down American Renaissance’s welcoming position toward Jews. He added this postscript:
I remember wondering who the several people were who sent JT the letter. Around November 2009, Richard Spencer became a member of CMS, and on March 1, 2010, AlternativeRight sprang full grown from the head of ??? Its face was that of Richard Spencer. Jews and non-Jews filled its stable of authors and contributors, and there was an overall air of abundance - blog plus magazine plus radio plus events—all present at birth. I confess I have no memory of the substance of the interview I refer to below, but here’‘s what I sent a friend a few days later (it’s not boastful, just enthusiastic): Four years after he stomped out of the AR meeting, Michael Hart wrote on Auster’s blog:
Right. 67
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 02:51 PM | # There are millions of Whites in Dixie that are explicitly racially conscious and millions more who are borderline explicitly White. Less than 1 percent of them are involved in White Nationalism. The vast majority of them are involved in the conservative movement. There’s probably a reason for that. So, instead of interacting with the ideological descendants of George Lincoln Rockwell’s stormtroopers, who was seen as a clown in the 1960s when he came to Alabama, we should instead focus our energies on making Southern conservatism more explicitly racial, which is actually showing some promising signs given the sweeping changes in White racial attitudes in the region which are showing up in the polls. (HUNTER WALLACE) ——————————————————————- Agree 100%. It’s what I’ve been saying for two decades, only I would say it about all conservatives, not just Southerners. On the other hand, one point to consider is that Dixie really is a true ethnoculture, one aspect of which has always been racial realism. It’s bred into you, so to speak. So you don’t need WN, only traditional ethnonationalism (as in European nations: “Germany for Germans!”, etc). But what about the rest of us in America? Outside of Dixie, I would say that our race is our nation. What defines us culturally is indeed our ‘whiteness’ (this is beyond obvious for cultureless Californians like me). We, especially in the West, have no analogue to the unique Dixie identity. I think non-Southern whites do need nationalism, but it should focus (for now) on (Middle) American nationalism. Eventually, this will transmogrify into a more openly racial nationalism, as times become ever more propitious for harder-edged movements. 68
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 12, 2011, 03:05 PM | # In the USA, seemingly, any political figure has to at least pose as a Christian to gain a hearing so I have no problem in people doing that. I guess it’s a sociological signal of “I’m OK, mainstream, just like you” etc. One that frankly baffles me but again I’m not the target audience. Look it’s a matter of tactics, not high principle, to try and be in sympathy with your target audience and their expectation/outlook, while always attempting to lower the ‘psychological costs’ for them giving you a hearing. If pronouncing yourself a Christian does that, and buys political and moral capital with your audience, then use it. I doubt such considerations have any relevance for European societies but all politics has to account for the particular and local. America, at least on this front, is a very different sociological space compared to most of Western Europe. 69
Posted by A. Linder on September 12, 2011, 03:39 PM | # Mr. Linder, Do you really believe this - or are you just trying to make a name for yourself as the most ‘hardcore’ of the WNs? Yes, Mr. Haller, I really believe it. Professional conservatism is my background. I agree, from first-hand knowledge as well as reading, with Joe Sobran, who said of professional conservatism: “it was all a game;a way of making a living.” Conservatism is a fundraising strategy disguised as a political philosophy. Racialism that copies conservatism will fail. 70
Posted by Robert Reis on September 12, 2011, 03:56 PM | # http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yuC_4mGTs98 h/t max keiser 911 in 5 minutes 71
Posted by A. Linder on September 12, 2011, 04:03 PM | # “ XXX—you MUST listen to Tom Sunic interview Richard Spencer. How did I spot him and the spider web he was creating right away? I could hardly believe what I was hearing. He has his wish, to be the new WFBuckley, complete with Jewish backers—of that, there’s no doubt whatever. His mission: to blend together Jews and White nationalists/racialists/—MacDonaldites essentially; KM’s the big fish they want to neutralize.” Somebody needs to send KM a copy of “Culture of Critique” so he gets clued in about how jews operate. 72
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 12, 2011, 04:26 PM | # Article Jews and American Renaissance with 329 comments (May 2006): 73
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 12, 2011, 04:27 PM | # Here is URL: http://web.archive.org/web/20060422092839/http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/04/jews_and_americ.php 74
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 12, 2011, 04:28 PM | #
You’re in luck, Leon. I’ll be in Pomona on November 5th for an NSM street rally, but I must warn you that I never travel without my dog, Billy, and I’m afraid you may not find his conversation very edifying. He tends act like an oversimplified Manichean and regularly indulges in Confirmation Bias or Argumentum Ad Populum. His instincts, however, are infallible. 75
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 12, 2011, 05:14 PM | #
Lots of these people are descended from Southerners. Large sections of the Interior West and the Southern Midwest were colonized by White Southerners. That’s why they culturally tilt toward Dixie. In the last four years, hundreds of thousands of Californians (whose ancestors moved there during the Dust Bowl) have moved back home to Texas and Oklahoma. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/08/29/music-break-okie-from-muskogee/ The exodus of Whites from the Blue States to Dixie and Heartland dwarfs any comparable movement of Whites to the Pacific Northwest. As everyone who lives here knows, the real “migration” of Whites within the United States is the one coming out of the Northeast and Midwest and West Coast to Dixie and Heartland. As for California, the only thing that can save California now is bankruptcy and return to territorial status, or partition into separate functional states. There is a movement out there to create the State of South California. It is not really a radical idea: Lincoln created West Virginia and Maine used to be part of Massachusetts. Now that the Southwest is taking on a biracial character, it is becoming more like Dixie. Arizona, for example, has suddenly become more radical than South Carolina in challenging the authority of the federal government. I have more readers in South California than anywhere else in the United States. It is probably because the people who live there are exposed to our racial predicament on a daily basis like they are here in the Southeast. 76
Posted by John on September 12, 2011, 05:53 PM | #
You forgot a more recent one: the October, 2001 Mexican Parliament bomb plot where an ex-IDF colonel, for whom there was no record of entry into Mexico (charged with section 111 of the Mexican Judicial Code) and a Mexican Jew were caught red-handed in the Chamber of Deputies with handguns, plastic explosives, detonating devices and Pakistani passports. Haven’t heard about it? Not surprised, with the tight media control. The were even able to purge the story from the English-speaking Mexican tabloid. It was, however, reported on TV Azteca, Hidago de Diario, La Correon and the Panamanian newspaper, La Prensa. Both the Israeli and the Mexican Jew were quietly deported to Israel. Show me an unphotoshopped video with an undoctored time stamp of hijackers contiguous with other passangers boarding planes or going through airport security and I’ll eat the Twin Towers and have Building 7 for dessert. For those of you who haven’t considered what there being no such published video means, I’ll spell it out for you:If such a video existed, the propaganda as well as taking the wind out of truthers’ sails would be off the charts. There is no way they wouldn’t have shown it at some point, leaving two possibilities. 1. They don’t have such videos. 2. The videos they have incriminate parties they don’t want incriminated. 77
Posted by John on September 12, 2011, 05:56 PM | # I forgot to mention above, the foreign minister who arranged for the Mexican and Israeli citizens to be deported: Jorge Gutman. 78
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 06:01 PM | # Great article, 911 is the Litmus Test. Anyone still pushing the Official Conspiracy Theory is either ignorant, which is no excuse, or purposefully lying. The only reason for them to be purposefully lying is because they are defending the perpetrators. 911 is THE Litmus Test. 79
Posted by John on September 12, 2011, 06:12 PM | # Thursday, October 11, 2001 Two arrested, one a foreigner Bomb in San Lázaro Were carrying attaché case with explosives and grenades Carrying guns, were arrested by guards THERE was uproar in the Chamber of Deputies, provoked by the arrested of two individuals, presumed to be of Israeli origin, who were carrying a high power gun and an attaché case with nine grenades, three magazines with 53 cartridges and C-4 explosives, considered to be highly powerful. The arrested men who said they were called Salvador Gerson Sunke, of Mexican nationality, and Sar ben Zui, who said he was a colonel of the Israeli special forces, remained in custody for over three hours in the legislature building, during which they said nothing, before they were interviewed by officials of the Public Prosecutor’s office (PGR) who removed them from the arrested men removedLegislature Palace, concealed in hoods, and placed them under arrest. (The article continues on an inside page by saying that the two arrested Israelis were also found to be carrying Pakistani passports)
Two Mossad agents arrested in the Mexico Congress Chamber with guns, explosives: no word since then (original Spanish text)
La Cronica de Hoy, Correo De Guanajuato http://web.archive.org/web/200201170…rasvoces8.html My translation of Correo’s article:
Panamanian newspaper La Prensa article http://web.archive.org/web/200501130…do/295393.html Also reported in El Diario de Chihuahua and Heraldo de Mexico, which corroborated the facts in the above stories. Additionally the story ran on TV Azteca. 80
Posted by John on September 12, 2011, 06:18 PM | # Sorry, I screwed up the links: Cronica de Hoy Correo De Guanajuato 81
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 06:43 PM | # Posted by Søren Renner on September 11, 2011, 11:54 PM | # “So-called moon landings”, you mean? It’s this sort of conspiracy nonsense that is ruining the reputation of this site. Next you’ll be denying the Holocaust, the 19 Hijackers, the Virgin Birth, and Joseph Smith’s Mormon Golden Plates. Wasn’t it someone on this site talking about breeding out the “faith gene” by which I think he probably meant “gullibility gene.” Something similar was said about how susceptible some are to someone making an emotional display of “morally righteous anger.” Parrott not only lies about 911, he promotes other FBI talking points on staged terrorism in the past. Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent uses it as a way to shore up his non-existent “cred” and the silence of the oh-so-anti-semitic VNN crowd is telling isn’t it? Also, to the poster above saying that the mostly lefty anti-Zionist movement is the forefront of criticizing Jewish power now, the White Nationalist and Alt-Right sites are pretending it’s 1980 or something. It really is like religion. Most of these guys are atheists, but pose as Christian and Mormon anyway, using various excuses, culture, don’t want to drive people away, etc. Similar to the closeted homosexual, everyone knows but you’re supposed to simply ignore it and play along. 911 Truth knocked down the undisputed hero of the American left of the last generation, Noam Chomsky, who dropped his reformed commie act and came out as a Zionist Jew. What these alleged pro-Whites are doing is exactly the same as the “respectable right” did since the 1960s, in pushing the Holohoax. They are saying “of course I believe the official story of Six Millions Gassed and anyone who doesn’t is not a real conservative, but a Nazi.” At least, the updated version for 911. 911 is the Litmus Test. When the younger crowd starts to learn about White issues, they aren’t going to listen to the Crypt Keepers of dead ideologies telling us about Virgin Births, Golden Plates, Lone Gunmen,Six Million Gas Chambers, or their Glory Days of watching White Freemasons play Golf on the Moon while driving around in Moon Buggies. The up and coming White crowd are scientific minded, hostile to ideology in general, and unimpressed by religious or secular mythology. This is a GOOD thing. For the rest of you, grow up. Snap out of it. TV isn’t real. As an American, I’m sick of having to defending the White Tard crowd here in the US. Europeans outside of the Anglosphere know and openly call 911 for what it was, a coup. 82
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 07:00 PM | # Notice how Parrott here attempts to define what sort of criticism of Jews is “credible” and what isn’t. Amazing that Matt Parrott, a self-admitted hillbilly without even a college education, is going to tell us that the physicists, architects, engineers, pilots, demolitions experts, etc., who have proven the official story wrong, are not as “credible” as he is, presumably sitting in his trailer somewhere in Bumfuck, Indiana.
I bet you that Matt Parrott has never read the 911 Commission Report, nor the Israel Lobby, and talks a lot more about “respected ivy league academics” than actually read what they write. Am I getting warm, Mr. Parrott? The question is WHY do they bother to attack 911 Truth? What do they GAIN from it? Precious little from what I can tell. They don’t have “credibility” anyway, it doesn’t get them a bigger audience, quite the opposite. 83
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 12, 2011, 07:06 PM | # Maybe GW should interview David Icke for MR as this conspiracy is getting bigger! 84
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 12, 2011, 07:15 PM | # I met a young man at NSM’s demonstration in Milwaukee last week. He impressed me as being bright, friendly and energetic. He told me that he came to his White Nationalist perspective from the political Left in the last few years as a result of his investigation into 911. What really seems to have alerted him was his observation of Jewish obfuscatory behavior within the 911 movement itself. Here’s a video of his talk at the rally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxqheGQYzM0 85
Posted by Leon Haller on September 12, 2011, 07:21 PM | # 911 is the Litmus Test. When the younger crowd starts to learn about White issues, they aren’t going to listen to the Crypt Keepers of dead ideologies telling us about Virgin Births, Golden Plates, Lone Gunmen,Six Million Gas Chambers, or their Glory Days of watching White Freemasons play Golf on the Moon while driving around in Moon Buggies. The up and coming White crowd are scientific minded, hostile to ideology in general, and unimpressed by religious or secular mythology. This is a GOOD thing. For the rest of you, grow up. Snap out of it. TV isn’t real. As an American, I’m sick of having to defending the White Tard crowd here in the US. Europeans outside of the Anglosphere know and openly call 911 for what it was, a coup. (911 Litmus) The “up and coming white crowd” are inattentive to detail, resistant to work, given over to trivialities, and unbelievably gullible. What is worse: believing in Christ the Lord, which apparently the early disciples did to the extent that otherwise highly intelligent men were willing to sacrifice their lives for His message, or believing in such obvious empirical inanities as racial equality, female soldiers, Keynesian economics, or utopian political projects exalting some collective over individual self-interest, and then expressing surprise when individuals behave as they always have? Jettison the discipline of belief in Christ, and you get Marxists, multiculturalists, miscegenators, upperclass English Hedeggerians, neo-Nazis, Earth worshippers, Star Trekkies, celebrity obsessives, ‘gamers’, chavs and sodomites. The younger generation, not clinging any longer even to (Paretoite) residues of the faith of our fathers, are spoiled, petulant, cowardly brats (see England, Greece), ill-prepared actually to survive in a world shorn of Church authority. But they will get theirs - in economic hardships, racial attacks, and the grim knowledge that life is not a Hollywood movie. 86
Posted by anon / uh on September 12, 2011, 07:51 PM | # Here’s a wild idea. Let’s merge this and the “Elitism” threads. Muahahahaha. Jettison the discipline of belief in Christ, and you get Marxists, multiculturalists, miscegenators, upperclass English Hedeggerians, neo-Nazis, Earth worshippers, Star Trekkies, celebrity obsessives, ‘gamers’, chavs and sodomites. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! note: I am not anon from Belize. 87
Posted by Revolution Harry on September 12, 2011, 08:18 PM | # Dasein, the various ‘debunking’ sites you listed don’t bear scrutiny I’m afraid. http://www.brianrwright.com/Coffee_Coaster/03_Book_Reviews/2008/080123_Debunking_911_Debunking.htm As for no evidence of controlled demolition I think these are two of the best, balanced and intelligent articles I’ve read in a while on the subject of World Trade Centre 7. http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2011/08/01/wtc7-controlled-demolition-or-not/ http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2011/09/09/wtc7-ten-years-after/ Graham, anyone of any intelligence that has looked into the subject that can be broadly defines as the ‘New World Order’ knows that David Icke is controlled opposition. He’s not alone either. In fact there are very few ‘celebrity truthers’ that aren’t. Knowing this and knowing that the likes of Icke, Alex Jones, Zeitgeist and others all ‘expose’ 9/11 we have to ask why. Explaining why I think they do would take too long but suffice to say it’s an intentional ‘psy-op’ designed to confuse and distract. The official story is hogwash. Beyond that you can get lost in a vortex of claim and counter claim and ascertaining the exact truth is nigh impossible. My advice is to accept that the official story is a lie and remain open minded about the ‘truth’. Instead look further into the agenda that 9/11 serves. Here’s a tip. It wasn’t ‘the Jews’. Mossad may well have been involved but doubtless the rest of the alphabet gang were as well. This isn’t a ‘Jewish’ conspiracy but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t many ‘elite’ Talmudic Jews involved. “Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_embedded 88
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 08:33 PM | # Lew has to be answered about this, in general, not pertaining to the specific poster he’s discussing.
This is a valid criticism; some exclusively point to the Jewish outsiders instead of pointing to their White collaborators. In the case of 911, it is a factual and tactical mistake to label it an “outside job” done by Israel, because there were obviously non-Jewish Americans in the military/security establishment involved. Cheney and Rumsfeld were not surprised by 911. The Americans here are just in shock and denial, rather unseemly at this late date. Lew’s descriptions of the 911 propaganda levels is great, but then he uses the disinformation tactics he just described:
Lew’s give away is this “vast majority of scientific specialists” - he neither knows, nor cares, what the scientific consensus is. NIST issued a report on the towers and one on WTC7, they were both debunked, neither have been defended. Only a tiny handful were able to research it, for logistical as well as political reasons. People lost tenure over publishing about demolition as far back as 2003. But it doesn’t take a specialist to see that the two World Trade towers, and WTC7 were demolitions, and it’s indisputable that the jets didn’t cause the demolition, merely preceded them. So Lew has really never given much thought to this, or he’s purposefully lying. 89
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 12, 2011, 08:41 PM | #
OK, Leon. November will be your chance to demonstrate some bravery with these young wankers. The city of Pomona has refused to issue a permit to NSM for a political demonstration, so we are going to go forward as a walking picket line (this is legal) in protest of illegal immigration. This is YOUR pet issue. This is YOUR neighborhood. Saturday, November 5th, 2011 90
Posted by J Richards on September 12, 2011, 08:47 PM | # @Hunter Wallace As to the rest… civil rights, BRA… don’t digress here. This should be about 9/11. @Parrott Ditch the straw men. You’d be better served making a case that Al-Qaeda is genuine and that 19 Arabs did it (the same goes for Hunter Wallace… instead of giving me a lecture about why people like me blame the Jews, address 9/11, which’s being discussed; I wouldn’t blame Jews for 9/11 if I didn’t have reasons to, none of which you argue against). @anon / uh + Lew I know Chechar criticizes Jews left and right. But let’s say there’s a major crime that millions, and counting, blame Jews for. Let’s say I dislike Jews and know that the accusation’s false. Whereas I won’t promote the lie, I’d let others promote it… a group that I dislike is getting maligned… why should I complain?... depending on the lie, I might even say, God bless those behind the lie! Now Chechar writes:
So why does he get a bad case of heebie jeebies when he hears ‘inside job’ and, especially, ‘Jew job,’ which prompts him to go into serial posting mode [read: freak out]. There’s one, obvious, explanation. @Guest Lurker I didn’t lie that VNN’s never ‘taken up the 9/11 issue.’ I linked to where they did to show how unenthusiatic it was. There’s no reason why a ranting-against-the-kikenvermin VNN administration should decline to officially and unequivocally adopt the JEWS-did-911 position for tactical reasons unless they’re controlled opposition. 91
Posted by J Richards on September 12, 2011, 09:13 PM | # @Graham Lister If you’re going to complain about multiculturalism and Third World Immigration, you’ll be called a neo-Nazi. So you might as well earn it. I don’t mean spooky behavior, burning crosses or waving swastikas. Blaspheming the Holy Hoax’s more like it, and if you look at it, the only way to avoid people labeling you a neo-Nazi or exterminationist is to expose WW2. You’ve gotta do it. It’s starting a fire to put out fire; some situations call for it. Now you don’t have to address the Holy Hoax, leave it to others. Feel free to blog on multiculturalism and Third World Immigration at MR or elsewhere. You’re welcome to copy whatever you want from MR, without attribution. Extraordinary claims indeed require extraordinary evidence… you should apply this to the government’s version. The government says 19 Arabs when there’s no video footage placing them at the airports, the one purported footage is fraudulent, at least 7 are found alive, there’s a magical suitcase, miraculous recovery of passports and other personal items from the wreckage,... a tale far less credible than what I’ve compiled, which doesn’t mean I’m right, but you’re obligated to come up with a better argument if you critique me. Why should you get your information on the Illuminati from TV? You think they’ll portray this belief in any manner other than ridicule? If you read Professor Wedel’s book on the shadow elite (see the 911 article), you get a basic idea that the powers that be rule by proxy. This book is obviously mainstream and doesn’t go into some crucial details, but if you extend the investigation, you come across the full picture of a shadow structure, which you can call by many names, the traditional being the Illuminati, an essentially Jewish entity because those on the very top are Jews, non-Jews are found in significant numbers in the lower rungs only, and their activities primarily serve Jewish interests. 92
Posted by Revolution Harry on September 12, 2011, 09:13 PM | # By the way. If you want 9/11 conspiracy theory, chew on this.
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Posted by Revolution Harry on September 12, 2011, 09:15 PM | # I’ll try again.
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Posted by J Richards on September 12, 2011, 10:31 PM | # @Dasein Since you linked to the debunking911 page on thermite, that’s outdated information. In 2009 a peer-reviewed Chemical Physics journal article documented that thermite was found in WTC dust samples:
The debunking911 folks have argued extensively for naught. You said that “Even Dylan Avery, one of the makers of Loose Change, has backed off from most of the inside job claims and has adopted the foreknowledge position,” completely ignoring that Avery’s controlled opposition. Regarding the Duke arrest in the Czech Republic, the arrest was obviously bogus as Duke had never publicly denied the Holocaust. The other thing was the publicity they gave to the arrest. They never, in a manner remotely close, publicize the arrest of the likes of Germar Rudolf or Simon Sheppard & Stephen Whittle because they don’t control these individuals and the arguments of these individuals are too dangerous for Jewry. So the Duke publicity’s only consistent with two scenarios: Duke’s arguments are weak or he’s controlled opposition. Both are correct. Duke was caught red-handed on the 9/11 issue. @Jupiter7 Concerning the “Intellectual Giants” of the 9/11 Truth movement-Steven Jones and Dylan Ayers-... Dylan Avery is controlled opposition and Steve Jones is a weakling. Try arguing against Jones’ peer-reviewed published article above. NIST has yet to formally refute it. If “9/11 Truthers makae my skin crawl” why read what they’ve got to say or comment on it? People like you can’t be bothered citing any evidence that 19 Arabs were responsible and then go into a rant against immigration policies for letting these people in! 95
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 12, 2011, 11:14 PM | # Anti-Semites who think they can cruise to victory through merely accusing Jews of crimes (both real and imagined) are as delusional as “race realists” who think we can cruise to victory with IQ and crime statistics and Paultards who think we can cruise to victory through promoting economic reforms. We will cruise to victory through acquiring power, not through dressing up in costumes and barking epithets in a fit of impotent rage or dressing up in suits and reciting peer-reviewed research. Linder,
In this very thread, and in dozens of other places, I have refuted this flat lie that I shift blame from the Jews onto Kennedy. I anticipated intelligent and informed attacks from you when my number came up and have received nothing but the most superficial speculation and generic trolling. I’m forced to conclude that I’m simply not important enough for a comprehensive Linder Treatment that involves taking the 15 minutes to realize that I have clearly stated my positions, am not a mini-Jared, and am not a “conservative”. 9/11 Litmus Test,
All I did was make a determination that you didn’t like. I didn’t expect anybody to rely on my expertise in any way, shape, form, or fashion. I didn’t prop myself up as an expert or write a blog post on *Thermitians*. Unlike with the “Holocaust” issue, which I am indeed guilty of directly stepping in with my Buffoonery article, I’ve done nothing but react to hysterical silliness from people who intend to bully me and everybody else into going along with “Thermitianism” as a “litmus test”. Revolutionary Harry,
Wait, what? Are you parroting the vast majority of Thermitians in promoting the Demolition Hypothesis as a generic Rainbow Conspiracy of nameless lizardoid corporate “elites”? Are you corroborating my belief that the whole fiasco is rather tangential to White Advocacy? Are you corroborating my belief that even if it were proven beyond a doubt that there was a controlled demolition, that the Jews would assuredly still evade blame and accountability? 96
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 11:23 PM | # J Richards should be commended for bringing up the kosher “911 Truther” movement. You have to remember the atmosphere. Lots of smart people never believed it, but no one knew who was going to get shot next. Remember the DC Sniper? Remember the anthrax letters? The establishment of the United States was in a sort of civil war. Whistleblowers were sent a very CLEAR message when they put “Johnny Taliban” - a white American who had “converted to Al Qaeda” - on the front cover of the NY Post bound and naked and gagged. Lawyers were threatened with Gitmo, CIA agents were having their cover blown. The week before the rich Muslims in America (mostly Republicans of course) had their websites shut down and some big timers “disappeared.” World Trade Center 7 was discussed in the Village Voice as early as 2002. The first attack on “conspiracy theorists” in the New York Times was a weird story about some urban legend among Negroes in Queens about somebody jumping from the towers and “surfing” on debris, and surviving. This strange idea was paired with firefighter’s testimonies of explosions, bombs, etc. in an early attempt at muddying the waters and spreading disinformation. Judith Woods is another example, a Jewish professor that promotes strange “energy beam” theories, and censors any discussion of Israel or Jewish involvement from her websites. I can’t prove it, and it’s possibly a coincidence, but I suspect Michael Zebuhr was murdered due to his 911 truth activities, which may have gone in a very “unkosher” direction. http://michaelzebuhr.blogspot.com/ The “We Are Change” movement is likely something similar, as it has some Jewish kid going around doing “surprise youtube setups” with the 911 commissioners, etc. As if the authorities don’t know who he is, or that he’s going to catch a confession from someone. If anything, it may actually be an intimidation tactic. But the era of fear in the US is over - NOW, the only problem with 911, are the lackey, lying “conservatives” demanding we all still play pretend like during the Bush administration. Glenn Beck’s “9/12 Movement” and FOX Kosher Tea Parties. It’s the Litmus Test. I don’t have a problem with conservative, traditionalists, or Republicans, as long as they are pro-white. But let’s leave mythology and religion in church, and deal with facts outside, ok? 911 was a coup. 97
Posted by Lew on September 12, 2011, 11:32 PM | # @ 911 Litmus Test: Are you a credentialed engineer? Architect? Physicist? Demolition expert? Airline pilot? Please give us your qualifications for assessing expert opinion. I am not a physicist or any of those other things. If a given physicist says something, for example, about anomalous properties in 9/11 dust related to the melting point of iron, I don’t have the training to assess the merits of the claim. To assess any claim based on expert scientific knowledge, I do what rational people who recognize they do not have the enough scientific expertise to make a judgment have to do: assess the claim by considering what other experts have to say about it. The vast majority of physicists—as far as I know—see no evidence based on physics that demolition occurred. This means that any credentialed physicist who backs the demolition theory is adopting an outcast position within the community of credentialed physics experts. The same is true for the engineers, architects and others. Although a tiny few in those fields have raised the possibility of demolition, most experts in those fields have not, nor have most claimed attempts at inquiry have been blocked. The preponderance of expert opinion is clearly against demolition. 98
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 11:40 PM | # Matt Parrott coins a new term “Thermitianism.” It’s clever and shows a high degree of verbal intelligence. It shows at least a passing familiarity with the current discussions over 911. Parrott could just stay neutral, but he chooses to attack those speaking the obvious truth. He’s never made up some catchy term to describe the official conspiracy theorists. He chooses to promote the lie. Just as you would expect from an atheist pretending he believe in nonsense about Golden Plates. He is the perfect kind of liar to promote what amounts to the secular religion of 911. Parrott has no problem with lies, as long as they are useful to the cause. Fair enough, but who is he lying to? Who does he think he’s kidding? And what exactly is that cause? 911 was - and IS - a disaster for white Americans. 99
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 12, 2011, 11:50 PM | # Lew, that’s a clever deception.
The vast majority of physicists - as you know - have never given a moment’s thought, and the ones that have are attacked, denied tenure, and who knows what else. But you know this as well, and you’re obviously an intelligent person, so what is there to believe?
There has been virtually no expert opinion focused on the demolition issues, other than the two NIST reports. But again, it doesn’t take a specialist. It’s all pretty much plain as day. You can argue about details, techniques, various theories, sure. But the “two planes, three buildings” theory is pure mythology, the kind that adults relegate to Virgin Births, Golden Plates, and the secular versions like the threat of Grenada communists. 100
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 12, 2011, 11:53 PM | #
My sense about respectable conservatives is that they get so concerned about mouthing the right words that they think will appeal to the democratic masses that by they compromise whatever cause they may initially have held. Jews can easily use these human parrots as political door mats. 101
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 13, 2011, 12:01 AM | #
You end up getting thousands of atheists ... each with their own interpretation of morality, each with their own fantasy ideology, each with their own certitude in their own “revolutionary” agenda ... clashing over pride, clashing over money, clashing over envy, clashing over any number of petty grievances, who are completely unable to communicate with their peers, and in some of the most extreme cases (such as Linder’s “polarization strategy) become outright hostile to their peers. Occasionally, they will raise up a dynamic cult leader like George Lincoln Rockwell or William Pierce, who will manage to unite anywhere from 800 to 2,000 of them around a fragile sense of racial identity, before it predictably succumbs to the centrifugal forces inherent in the foolish idea that you can unite people around abstractions and grievances.
Yes, the catastrophe now unfolding in Europe is locked in at this point ... Buchanan called it in Death of the West a decade ago. Everyone who is young today will be middle aged soon. Everyone who is working and about to retire will be elderly soon. There was a documentary called “Demographic Winter” that came out a few years ago. It predicted this would happen. We are only in the earliest stages of it with the PIIGS: Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain. As Mark Steyn pointed out in his latest book, something like 1 out of 3 frauleins in Germany are spinsters. We always knew the shit would hit the fan in America around 2011 when the first waves of the Boomers started to retire. What do you suppose will happen when all those Boomers who have “invested” in Wall Street simultaneously decide it is time to cash out in the 2010s and 2020s to enjoy their “retirement”? Fortunately, our plan has always been that illegal aliens and blacks are going to prop up Social Security and Medicare and Wall Street too. 102
Posted by Lurker on September 13, 2011, 12:18 AM | # 911 litmus test - I suppose its one thing for someone to say they, more or less, agree with the official line and leave it there citing ignorance, disinterest or some kind of agnosticism on the subject. But what is suspect, to me, is someone who actually goes into bat for the official line, propping it up against attack, deploying emotive arguements in its favour etc 103
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 12:22 AM | #
As far as I know, not a single PhD historian has endorsed Holocaust revisionism, yet you have no problem supporting the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax. Why’s that? You’ve got way more people with significant credentials behind the 9/11 Truth movement than you do behind most areas of White nationalist interest, a fact which you and Parrott have repeatedly refused to address. 104
Posted by Chechar on September 13, 2011, 12:35 AM | #
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Am I a Jew??? My overt anti-Jew position is among the most extreme in the nationalist scene, to the point of recently posting no less than three entries in my blog about Alex Linder, the only one who openly advocates the extermination Jewry. And you call me like that??? 105
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 13, 2011, 12:50 AM | # Litmus,
No, Parrott wasn’t allowed to stay neutral. I was blissfully going about my business when y’all swarmed on me for doing nothing other than Breathing While Incorrect. I didn’t call you out for being the vindictive paranoid delusional conspiracy theory crank embarrassments that you are. I didn’t dig up the wealth of hilarious nonsense gobbled up by Truthers and hold it up for ridicule. All I did was blog about my own 9/11 experience, ignoring Trutherism altogether. Unlike the Holocaust Revisionist hive which evidently has the restraint to only swarm me when I kick it (my bad), the Truthers deliver up a preemptive strike and cry out as they strike me. anon,
I don’t lean exclusively on expert opinion, especially in a regime which routinely censors and manipulates expert opinion for political effect. Ultimately, it comes down to which information an individual ingests and how he digests that information with his critical thinking faculties. The relevant information includes estimations of the reliability of sources, both institutional and individual. I believe there are more experts and more people rallying to Trutherism because the Jews and their junior partners invest less time and energy in suppressing them than they do racialism. I believe Alex Jones carries on about Truth but shuts up about race and the Jews because he can stab away at whatever conspiratorial quackery he cares to riff on as long as he doesn’t strike at the heart of the matter. 106
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 13, 2011, 01:19 AM | # @Jimmy Marr
I suspect you are right about that. @Lurker
Agreed. Sometimes it’s best to simply nod your head and agree. But actively suppressing discussion and dissent - that’s a behavior that is deadly, specifically, an American problem. And it’s becoming more clear that it’s related to the religious issue. It’s a specifically American cultural issue. After the South lost the War of Northern Aggression, the Southern elite told them to accept defeat gracefully and fit in with the new Yankee power. But the South never lost its dignity, as evidenced by all of the Confederate statues and monuments. But 911 was a different kind of defeat, a cognitive defeat, and the statues and monuments are monuments *to* our defeat, not memorials of our losses or victories. That’s the religious angle, and the *American* angle, that our Europeans friends may not see as clearly. There really is a modern culture of religion and superstition in America that doesn’t have a counterpart in Europe. Ignore these fake, phoney “Christians” and “Mormons” they are barely different than the “Liberals” blathering about “racism” and “diversity.” They don’t believe a word of it. But you do have to be careful with 911, because a good number of them are just ignorant, they simply don’t know, they’ve never read anything, or even watched the videos. To them, it’s a TV show, like COPS or 24. But they BELIEVE it like a religion. Understand that the American “Christians” and “Mormons” spend all the time watching Jewish Hollywood and “News” and cheer when one of them are hired as a “token” - just like the Negroes. TV is their real religion. TV is the religion of America. 911, Virgin Births, and Golden Plates are almost irrelevant in this case. America is a supra-organism whose neural network is broadcast and cable television. Think of it. 107
Posted by Robert Reis on September 13, 2011, 01:27 AM | # Can Physics Rewrite History? 108
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 01:27 AM | # 9/11 is the litmus test. It’s the catalyst we need to finally get this fucker started. The bottom line is, people have become inured to stories about wars, financial chicanery, immigration, Black-on-White crime, affirmative action, etc. It’s the classic frog-in-the-pot scenario. Contrast that with the absolute rage that erupted after 9/11. It’s not rational, but that’s how human beings think. A single big event pisses people off more than an ultimately more harmful long-term process. We need to recapture that rage over 9/11 (plus some brand new rage over the fact that we got suckered) and direct it at the people actually responsible. The 9/11 issue does cleanly separate people who want to add fuel to the fire from the people who are trying to put that fire out. Does anyone seriously believe that the “alternative right” crowd wants to actually accomplish anything? Are they trying to whip White people into a frenzy, or bore them to death? I think the answer to that question is obvious. 9/11 also has the capacity to unite a wide range of White people into a single, revolutionary movement. That’s *definitely* not what the “alternative right” crowd wants to see - they want to keep Whites divided into liberal and conservative camps, just as they want to take as much attention as possible off the Jews. Nothing scares these tools of the Jews more than White unity. Is it any coincidence that the Jew-excusers like Wallace and Parrott are the same ones who take the strongest stand against the 9/11 movement? 109
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 13, 2011, 01:35 AM | # anon,
My treatment of the issue was more delicate than most of the others on your hit list. I don’t much care about the issue, though I’m familiar enough with it to have my own opinion. Both your subject and your predicate are demonstrably false. What can we infer from this? 110
Posted by Chechar on September 13, 2011, 01:43 AM | #
But what about I who fantasize in Turner Diaries-like genocides of non-whites after the coming Holy Race Wars? What about Greg Johnson (neither of the two believe in your 9/11 “truth”) who advocates expelling the Jews from the US and a few months ago said at a TOO thread: “To win this battle, it might be necessary for some of us to become monsters who cannot return to normal society to enjoy the fruits of victory. We need leaders who are willing to sacrifice their immortal souls to this cause. I don’t believe there is an immortal soul, but psychologically speaking what passes for it are immortal scruples or absolute principles other than victory. All these need to be slain and sacrificed on the altar of victory”? 111
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 13, 2011, 01:46 AM | # @Parrott
You poor, poor thing. America is attacked and Matt Parrott is asked to take sides. The horror. 112
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 01:52 AM | #
This is absolute bullshit. You wrote an entire article called “Cranks and Credibility”, suggesting that “conspiracy theorists” (obviously implied though not directly stated that you are referring to those who dispute the 9/11 official story) cause harm to the movement. As Linder pointed out, you like to take a stand while pretending that you are not.
So are you accepting that there are more “experts” opposing the 9/11 official story than there are talking about the Israel lobby (several) or Jewish promotion of immigration (only one), or not? You have frequently cited the lack of “credible material” (meaning peer-reviewed academic sources) as a reason for rejecting the 9/11 issue, including both earlier in this thread and in your “Cranks and Credibility” article. Maybe you could stop equivocating for once and admit that there is no such lack.
Alex Jones shuts up about race and the Jews for the same reason the “alternative right” does: he’s controlled opposition. 113
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 13, 2011, 01:53 AM | # Look Chechar wants us to be impressed that his rhetorical stance against “the Jews” is far more powerful and useful than the 911 issue - he read the Turner Diaries - now THAT is hardcore!
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Posted by Matt Parrott on September 13, 2011, 02:07 AM | # Litmus,
I wasn’t lamenting my victimization. I was highlighting the fact that I was attacked first to ridicule the attempt by Truthers to concoct a new conspiracy theory that I’m on a crusade to attack Truthiness. anon,
I was quite obviously referring to the Birthers. It’s not my fault the shoe fits.
Look, you can’t conclude whether something’s correct or incorrect by the number of peer-reviewed materials which have been published on its behalf. This whole thing falls between two stools, as Trutherism is supposedly more credible than WN because it has more entries while Trutherism’s paucity relative to the conventional account is supposedly irrelevant. Like I tried to explain, I have reviewed much of the source material myself and relied on people I consider experts—people who may or may not be considered credible by the establishment. Some are, some aren’t. 115
Posted by Chechar on September 13, 2011, 02:23 AM | #
Strawman: that’s not what I said and you know it. At least Parrott and I write under our real name (my stuff appears under “Cesar Tort”). And you “9/11 Litmus Test” what’s your real name? Let me tell you something “9/11 Litmus Test”. Yours is an apocryphal litmus. The real one is Linder’s Openly White and openly anti-jew. That’s it. Within that framework, we can do business. Outside it, we’re enemies. Simple, clear, effective. 116
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 13, 2011, 02:29 AM | # Matt Parrott takes his stand:
His experts, and the preponderance of evidence he has reviewed, tells him the World Trade Center buildings fell down all by themselves, “Truthers” are crazy, and he really does believe in the Mormon Golden Plates (wink). Well, I’m satisfied. Can’t wait to read his next article about whatever. 117
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 02:29 AM | #
More bullshit. You refer to “conspiracy theories” in general and to Osama’s death in the text of the article, and specifically to 9/11 in the comments. Aside from the comments, it’s obvious that 9/11 is the salient “conspiracy theory” at this point in time.
I like how you’re trying to turn it around and make it sound like I’m the one taking this position. As you have written:
I’m not really concerned with peer review at all. I think it’s nice to cite academic research when we have it, but I don’t think we should refrain from taking a stance just because we don’t have it. I’m just glad you have finally admitted that your own argument is moot, as there is more “peer-reviewed research” supporting 9/11 Truth than there is discussing the Israel Lobby or the Jewish role in promoting non-White immigration. 118
Posted by J Richards on September 13, 2011, 02:43 AM | # @Linder Continuing the topic of what lies I’ve said about you, here’s my comment on your medicine use and mental health: It’s obvious that this was satire (note the recommendation that you use berg spray). My comment was in response to a satirical comment by Jimmy Marr where he called you Leonder (Leon Haller + Linder; Haller on steroids). The matter concerns your bizarre response to the Norway incident, which I summarized, and it isn’t a lie. An ostensible Jew hater, saying death to the Jews, writes as if a Jew (Jews are the only people gloating over the Norway incident in any substantial number)! Jimmy Marr noticed this. Some VNN members noticed this. Chechar noticed it, and praised you highly. It’s something when you’re complimented by a paranoid Jew! Take away the satire, focus on the underlying facts that prompted the satire, and see these facts in light of your behavior on other counts, and a certain picture emerges. I’ve looked at the WTC thread. It doesn’t change anything. You started it off with a youtube video about controlled demolitions of the WTC towers. Then there are a bunch of comments by others blaming Jews, sometimes vaguely, or maintaining the official position, or calling it an inside job, or agreeing but not taking a stance on who did it. You pop up with the following:
That speaks for your “enthusiastic” endorsement of Jews did it. And this isn’t in “The [Jewish] Problem” fora stickied as a false flag planned and orchestrated by Jews, but in VNN > News & Discussion > General Discussion. Another way of looking at it is this: if I were a kikenverminologist and administered VNN, how do you think I’d treat the topic? You’ve brought in the VNN membership in general, but this isn’t what I’ve been talking about. I’ve focused on the administration. On “attempt to destroy the character of others on our side”... there’s an infiltration problem, which means the word of those who claim to be on “our” side can’t be taken for granted. The only thing that speaks is what their work has to say. If this work suggests some who claim to be on “our” side aren’t working in “our” interests, then I believe I should point it out. You’re welcome to state that I’m working for the “other” side. Let the reader decide who’s justified his assertions and whom to shun. Personally, I don’t have much of an interest in you. You’ll remain a marginalized figure and the Jews don’t consider you a threat… they’ve got no problems giving you your own page in wikipedia and publicizing you in other ways. I’m more interested in the likes of Parrott, the anti-jihad and the BRA crowd, and these are the one’s I’ll target. Regarding Hufschmid being a liar, you’ve not mentioned which of his lies I’ve cited. If these lies concern different topics, then using them to discredit what I’ve cited is a logical fallacy that’s seen for what it is. 119
Posted by Captainchaos on September 13, 2011, 03:02 AM | #
Why do you think that would be a desirable outcome?
Expulsion does not equate to extermination. After all, one puzzles to understand what would be the point of expelling the Jews when one intended to exterminate them anyway with the latter being more conveniently accomplished in situ.
The litmus test is voicing one’s support for racial separation for Whites - physical and politically sovereign separation from Jews. 120
Posted by Chechar on September 13, 2011, 03:05 AM | #
JR, I don’t know if I misread you. But if you are really trying to say that I am a Jew I will consider you an absolute deluded individual. If you are really meaning it (are you?), it demonstrates my hunch that truthers are indeed paranoiacs (and I would get shocked if GW allows one more featured article authored by you at MR). 121
Posted by Captainchaos on September 13, 2011, 03:14 AM | # Richards, what is your priority? Which is your first love, your race or your self-appointed curatorship of Jewish conspiracies? In your estimation, what is more important for a racialist to lend his support to, physical and politically sovereign separation from Jews for Whites or the contention that ‘the Jews did 9/11’? I did say a racialist, mind you. 122
Posted by Chechar on September 13, 2011, 03:23 AM | # Captain, I am very upset (not against you) for a proper response here. I would recommend discussing it elsewhere. I mean: there must be limits. Hunter Wallace said something sarcastic about me at TOO that I didn’t like. But Wallace’s intelligent humor made me feel he was just playing with the commenters. And Hadding was mad with me at VNN because I posted something critical about him elsewhere. No hard feelings against any of the two. This IS different. If this guy is allowed to defame that way someone WITHOUT impunity in this blog I’ll never post here any comment again. 123
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 03:28 AM | # J Richards, I think you’re getting a little carried away with the attack on Linder here. It’s clear he’s taken a strong stand that Jews were primarily responsible for 9/11, at least on the forum. I agree the VNN front page did not take such a stand yesterday, but I don’t think Linder has much involvement with the front page, and in any case I don’t think many people read the VNN front page anymore, as it’s basically just a bland list of newslinks these days. I agree with you that Linder is wrong about Breivik, but he sees the issue as a referendum on the validity of the use of violence, even though that’s not what it is, and has taken a stance based on that. It’s annoying, but fundamentally that’s a much less significant issue than 9/11, and his stance on that issue cannot really be interpreted as a sign of being phony opposition. 124
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 03:33 AM | #
No more comments from Chechar? Then how will we ever hear about your latest blog entry? 125
Posted by Captainchaos on September 13, 2011, 03:38 AM | # Chechar, Gravitas is clearly something which does not come easily to Richards. If I were you I wouldn’t invest over much in what he thinks of you, nor in what those who would believe what he says about you think of you. 126
Posted by John on September 13, 2011, 04:19 AM | # For any unsolved crime, high on the suspect list should be people with a motive and people with a history of committing similar crimes. The problem with 911 is that many of the prime suspects were in charge of the investigation. As I posted above, less than a month after the WTC attacks, two Mossad agents were caught with plastic explosives, detonators and Pakastani passports in the Mexican Parliament building. Doesn’t anybody here have a comment on that? 127
Posted by John on September 13, 2011, 04:27 AM | # “Extraordinary claims indeed require extraordinary evidence… you should apply this to the government’s version. The government says 19 Arabs when there’s no video footage placing them at the airports, the one purported footage is fraudulent…” Video footage of purported hijackers boarding the planes is insufficient unless it also shows the other passengers. 128
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 13, 2011, 04:43 AM | # I was joking with the David Icke reference guys…now I must go and have my early morning transformation into an alien lizard. It sets the whole day up! 129
Posted by Leon Haller on September 13, 2011, 05:43 AM | # What do you suppose will happen when all those Boomers who have “invested” in Wall Street simultaneously decide it is time to cash out in the 2010s and 2020s to enjoy their “retirement”? Fortunately, our plan has always been that illegal aliens and blacks are going to prop up Social Security and Medicare and Wall Street too. (HUNTER WALLACE)
I had hoped the GOP would get more hardcore - in which hope I was correct. I also had opined that we might take back one branch of Congress, though I had thought that would take two election cycles, not just one (maybe we get the Senate this time around). I think the GOP Congress will hold the line on new liberal bs for the rest of the decade. I don’t think they will succumb to the same war-mongering, big-spending, pro-immigrationist neoconism that did them in in the Zeroes (unfortunately, I don’t think they’re going to be restrictionists, either). Thus, I am willing to hazard the prediction that once we do get back the White House, in ‘12 or ‘16, there will be put into place some genuine free-market legislation that does boost the economy (and stock values) for some period of time. I actually believe that such legislation could usher in a decade or so of real growth. To me, that is neither over- nor under-optimistic. Eventually, say by no later than 2025, the chickens of liberalism will all be coming home ... By that point I hope to either have moved to the whitest part of the country possible, or to some foreign White zion, or at the very least, to have started some type of (locality-based) American nationalist organization to help whites weather the coming storms. The sad thing is that, even at this late date, much could be done to save America, not as a white nation, but at least as a civilized and prosperous one. But even conservatives are just too weak to do the fairly moderate things that could prevent the apocalypse. 130
Posted by Captainchaos on September 13, 2011, 05:50 AM | # The reasoning Richards offers as justification for his approach is muddled to put it mildly. This is because he is merely rationalizing his private obsessions as strategically necessary for racial survival. For instance:
It is precisely the demographic decline of Whites as against the demographic ascendancy of non-Whites which will visit “murder, mayhem, starvation and destitution” upon the former. Yet, and conveniently so that Richards private obsessions may take center stage, we who wish to save our race from genetic annihilation must, according to Richards, put mentioning in all its bloody carnality the primary threat to our people’s existence on the back burner - even as Richards himself implies it is such narratives that most capture an audience’s attention. He says we should do this because…wait for it…the very people who will in the end heap so much misery upon us will not aid us in ending the misery they cause us!
Non-Whites and White liberals laud the effects of these events, and alleged events, as these were and are instrumental in causing Whites to bend the knee to their racial destruction under the flood tide of non-White immigration. The human rights abuses of Israelis committed against Palestinians are regarded by them as a mere speed bump by comparison on the way to a global panmixing panacea. What possible interest could non-Whites and White liberals have in seeing these set-pieces of their worldview debunked? No interest whatever.
Liberalized Whites, the very people which Jews rely upon as indispensable for their protection, would never countenance that. And without the aid of Whites such a grandiose operation could not be achieved. It seems that Muslims win by merely waiting out the clock on the demise of the White race for without the White race the Jews will not have the muscle to push around Arabs any longer. 131
Posted by Leon Haller on September 13, 2011, 05:58 AM | # OK, Leon. November will be your chance to demonstrate some bravery with these young wankers. The city of Pomona has refused to issue a permit to NSM for a political demonstration, so we are going to go forward as a walking picket line (this is legal) in protest of illegal immigration. This is YOUR pet issue. This is YOUR neighborhood. Saturday, November 5th, 2011 (JIMMY MARR) Fair challenge, Jimmy. It could be fun, too. Unfortunately, two points. First, though I still live in the OC technically, I have moved to another part of the country for a newly begun graduate program. I’m already there now (actually I’m home this minute, but I have to leave again tomorrow). It could be rather prohibitively expensive to travel all the way back to Socal just for a protest. Second, even if I were home, I’d have to think about this carefully. I’m really interested in helping build an immigration-and-anti-white-spoils-system-focused American nationalism (also, a get-tough-on-crime approach would be part of it). Basically, I want to develop an implicitly white, broadly conservative movement emphasizing American nationalist goals (which are perfectly coincident with WN goals, too). I’ve been careful to avoid involvement with NSM elements, not that they bother me, per se, though my ideology is less hard-core, obviously, but only that I possess an Ivy background, and mixing it with such elements could considerably lessen my cred with the stratum I hope eventually to influence. Ours is a long struggle. We need street toughs, but we also need polished activists who are unthreatening to normal (unawakened) white persons. The greatest service I could perform for the cause would fall into the latter category. 132
Posted by Captainchaos on September 13, 2011, 06:16 AM | # Oh, and this:
In order for Richards’ hoped-for global pogrom against Jews to be effective the protective shielding which media-brainwashed Whites provide for Jews must be rolled back. How else could that happen but to make Whites aware of the source of their brainwashing and thus come to distrust it? All the fulminating in this thread and yet apparently not one commenter here had the wits to take an axe to the root of Richards’ tree. 133
Posted by Leon Haller on September 13, 2011, 06:30 AM | # Let me add, Jimmy, that my little foray into the WN world is coming to an end. I may still post comments occasionally, but for the next number of years, I’m interested in developing my own foundational political philosophy, in part to help the cause, but, to no inconsiderable extent, simply out of my own desire to work out the logic of certain principles I hold dear. I really believe that I can best play my part by pursuing my own interests in theology and the intersection of conservative philosophy and sociobiology. I’m becoming ever more interested in Christian thought, particularly moral theology and ethics; secular ethical philosophy; racial science; philosophy of science, esp as it pertains to evolutionary theory; the whole atheist/theist debate; and rightist ideologies in general. I am unsatisfied with all ideologies, and for some extended period I’m going to devote myself to formal (and extracurricular) study and writing. I want to write at least one ideologically neutral wok of scholarship before I start publishing more serious nationalist material. 135
Posted by Lew on September 13, 2011, 08:19 AM | # Lew said this:
anon11111 said this:
Keep in mind that I am that NOT denying Jewish complicity in 9/11. My position is the “Jewish foreknowledge” position which puts me in a camp that holds Jews complicit in the 9/11 attacks. Israel had the most to gain from 9/11. From the standpoint of the age old question—is it good for the Jews?—9/11 was definitely good for the Jews. In the last ten years since the 9/11 attacks, we have see the ideal outcome for Jews unfold. Primarily White goyim are being used as cannon fodder for Jewish interests in the middle east, fighting and dying for Israel. Given this fact, along with the Jews’ well documented history of aggression against non-Jewish peoples, their implacable hatred of the goyim, their paranoia, their willingness to use false flags, bribes, and every form of deceit to advance their agenda, and, most importantly, their pivotal role in helping to create and sustain conditions that are leading to White genocide, not to mention their responsibility for a past White genocide, there is much evidence to suggest that Jews are sufficiently malicious and bloodthirsty to carry out a 9/11 event. There is just not enough credible evidence in this case—unlike say the Ukrainian genocide—that Jews were the principal architects of the 9/11 attacks and directly carried out those attacks. As far as I know, not a single PhD historian has endorsed Holocaust revisionism, yet you have no problem supporting the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax. Why’s that? The key difference is how Jews treat the issue and the nature of the evidence and events themselves. A few quick reasons: 1) Unlike the hoax, there are no laws on the books in many places in the world that require jail time for questioning the official 9/11 story or promoting demolition theories. Jews and the ruling elite use police-state repression to suppress investigation into the hoax. They don’t do this to the proponents of 9/11 demolition. So credentialed historians worldwide have a very strong incentive to avoid the topic beyond the possibility of professional ostracism. In addition to ostracism, they will have to face the police state. We have seen this with David Irving. 2) The nature of the evidence. Science and history are different. Historical materials and analysis are accessible and intelligible to anyone who can read and who cares to put in the time to study the sources. Accordingly, it is possible for intelligent lay people to make informed judgments about historical claims. This is not true of advanced physics, engineering, demolition, architecture, and piloting. The nature of those fields make it impossible for even intelligent lay people to make informed assessments about claims put forth by experts in those fields. This is why it is necessary (IMO) to rely on a preponderance of expert opinion when evaluating a science issue, not just a the small minority that confirms one’s perspective. 3) The nature of the events. Unlike the hoax, 9/11 was captured on video and unfolded on live television. It unfolded in front of thousands of witnesses on the ground and millions on TV. This means that every physicist, engineer, demolition expert, architect, and pilot in the entire world has had the opportunity to look at 9/11 up close. Why haven’t thousands of demolition experts who saw the events first hand stepped forward if the evidence for demolition is so clear? There are no laws against it. What are they waiting for to speak out? What about the thousands and thousands of architects and engineers? If controlled demolition is so obvious, what are they waiting for? The reasonable answer to me is that the vast majority of these experts saw nothing that raised any red flags about the possibility of demolition. Over and out. Let’s hold the Jews accountable for their crimes where there is clear evidence of Jewish involvement. 136
Posted by Dasein on September 13, 2011, 09:14 AM | #
Here is more recent analysis of Jones’ work, including the 2009 paper: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/thermite-and-nanothermite-f44.html As I said earlier, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I am happy not believing in CD, and being agnostic about the cause of collapse of the towers, even if it makes me a useful idiot 137
Posted by anon / uh on September 13, 2011, 09:53 AM | #
Who isn’t? 138
Posted by Leon Haller on September 13, 2011, 10:03 AM | # Apropos this discussion of 9/11, an excellent article from Srdja Trifkovic: 9-11, Ten Years Later: Islam’s Unmitigated Success
This pretty illusion lasted for about 48 hours. It disappeared as soon as I saw President George W. Bush go into the mosque in Washington D.C. later that same week, dutifully taking off his shoes before declaring that Islam was the religion of peace and tolerance, that the perpetrators of 9-11 did not really understand Islam and were distorting the message of the Prophet. When in addition I saw identically intoned editorials in Le Monde, The Guardian, Corriere della Sera, The Independent, or the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, it became clear to me that the Western elite class was behaving in 2001 exactly the way it did in 1937 and in 1981. Why those particular years? Well, in 1937 the Moscow Trials were at their height. The trials of Comrades Kamenev, Zinoviev and others were followed by those of Marshal Tukhachevsky and a host of other Red Army officers. They were some of the most egregious misuses of the quasi-judicial process ever used in history. And yet, just as the Gulag machine was switching into high gear, the apologia of Stalin in the Western world was reaching a hysterical pitch. If you read Arthur Koestler’s “Darkness at Noon,” or—at the opposite end of the moral divide—Walter Duranty’s New York Times dispatches from Moscow, you’ll know what I am talking about. The lies, the inability or unwillingness to tell the truth about what was going on in Moscow in 1937 was a sure sign of a strange phenomenon: The more murderous, the more outrageously antihuman Communist behavior became, the more determined the Western elite class was to come to its defense, as subsequently witnessed by Mao, Tito, Che and Ho. Fast-forward to 1981, when the AIDS epidemic was officially recognized as such. Its direct link with promiscuous homosexuality was soon established and remains undeniable. Lo and behold, that same instant the grandsons and granddaughters of Walter Duranty & Co. suddenly discovered that the Gay Lifestyle is one of the most valuable contributions to our multicultural civilization, worthy of praise and emulation. Any attempt to link that particular “lifestyle” and its idiosyncrasies—such as hundreds of partners, randomly encountered—with the grim harvest of death was banned. Contrary to evidence it was asserted that AIDS could happen to all of us at any moment. It became a metaphysical evil unconnected to any particular form of human behavior, just like “terrorism” was to become two decades later. The aftermath of 9-11 proves that the spirit of celebrating death and depravity is alive and well all over the Western world. The events of that day triggered off an immediate and massive wave of officially sanctioned Islamophilia, akin to the elite class Sovietophilia at the height of the Purges and sodomophilia amidst the AIDS epidemic. It soon transpired that, far from committing a blunder, the Muslims scored an incredible coup on 9-11. They effectively tested the limits of “tolerance” of the Western elite class at an entirely new order of magnitude—and they found out that there are no limits! It became obvious to the Muslims that the more outrageous you are in your stated intentions—and nobody has been more frank in this respect than the founder of Islam, both in his alleged revelations and in the Hadith—the more determined your Western fellow travelers will be to assure their subjects that Muslim intentions are not like that at all. The geopolitical harvest for the Jihadists has been rich and rewarding. The biggest prize of them all was Turkey. Not only was it the most populous of the ostensibly secularized Muslim societies but it was also once ruled by radical reformers most determined to break with the Islamic mindset and tradition and to turn Turkey into a modern European nation-state. Already in the early 1990’s the late Turgut Ozal, first as prime minister and later as president, tried to reverse that legacy. He laid the foundation for the success in that endeavor by the AKP, the Justice and Development Party, over the past decade. The AKP came to power in February 2002 and for the past nine years Prime Minister Erdogan has pulled off a succession of coups. The first among them was his decision in early 2003 not to support the United States in the war against Iraq, not to allow the passage of U.S. troops across eastern Turkey to open the Western front, and yet to be praised and celebrated as the “essential partner” by then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz during his subsequent visit to Ankara. The key AKP objective was to change the constitution and to neutralize the Turkish army as the legally sanctioned guardian of secularism, which they did in a stage-managed referendum exactly a year ago. And yet the masterminds of the project were congratulated for this giant step towards full democracy by President Obama and the European Union. In recent months the AKP regime imprisoned some two hundred senior-ranking Turkish military officers, both active-duty and retired, as part of the Operation Sledgehammer—a monstrosity on par with Stalin’s 1937 Moscow Trials which remains virtually unreported in the Western media. The significance of Turkey’s metamorphosis from Kemalism to post-Kemalism to anti-Kemalism cannot be overstated. Turkey is now a regional power in its own right and it is pursuing a neo-Ottoman strategy with three main thrusts. One is in the Balkans, one is in the former Soviet Central Asia and the Caucasus, and one is in the Arab Middle East. In all three of those regions Turkey is now conducting a fully autonomous policy. That policy is effectively helping each and every local Jihadist movement, such as the Bosnian-Herzegovinian SDA (the Party of Democratic Action) which is now headed by Bakir Izetegovic, son of the late author of the notorious Islamic Declaration, Alija Izetbegovic. Turkey is fully supportive of the radical religious leader of Bosnia’s two million Muslims, Mustafa Ceric, and his counterparts in the Sanjak region of southwestern Serbia and in Kosovo. Turkey, rather than Saudi Arabia, is sponsoring the Islamic revival of the Pomak community in Bulgaria. In the Middle East the Turks have gained popularity in the Arab Street by systematically and openly destroying their previously close relations with Israel. They did so without so much as a peep of protest from the United States, which indicates the limits of what the friends of Israel inside the Beltway can do. They are notably ineffective when it comes to criticizing this “essential bridge between the East and the West,” the tail is wagging the dog. And vis-à-vis the former Soviet Central Asia the Turks are pulling wool over Moscow’s eyes by pretending that they are the moderate barrier to the extremist Wahhabist influence emanating from the Arab world. At the same time the Turks have established a special relationship with Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, Kazakhstan etc. The exceptionally capable team of Prime Minister Erdogan, President Gul and Foreign Minister Davutoglu has brought this process of Turkey’s re-Islamization to the point of no return. It is no longer possible for the army to contemplate a coup, let alone to carry it out. The middle class Westernized Turks who were the backbone of the Kemalist order, feel like the Jews of Berlin in the last days of the Weimar Republic (as an American journalist living in Turkey put it to me in Istanbul last January). They see the writing on the wall but they are hypnotized by fear and can do nothing to affect the outcome. The second richest jewel in the crown of Islam’s geopolitical advance after 9-11 is of more recent origin: Egypt. It is no longer necessary to argue in detail why the Muslim Brotherhood will be the ultimate beneficiary of what has come to pass over the past eight or nine months. Suffice to say that the Brotherhood is so confident of its power that it is going to contest only one-half of all constituencies. It does not want to be too successful right away, so as not to alarm unduly the Army which still has a number of nationalist-secularists in its senior ranks. The Brotherhood already has a tacit understanding with the military, according to which the Army will run the transition in political terms while the Brotherhood will quietly be given an upper hand in cultural and educational areas. We can confidently expect the Islamic Republic of Egypt to come into being within three to five years. Why is the United States acting as if this was a great and glorious victory for democracy? Prima facie it does not make sense. Any sober analysis of the Egyptian political scene should have started with Mubarak’s brief experiment with democracy. In December 2005 he allowed the Brotherhood to contest a quarter of seats, and it swept the board in all of them, proving yet again that “democracy” in the Muslim world equals Islamization, or to be precise, re-Islamization, like in the case of Turkey. And yet Washington remains enthusiastic. The most significant result of the Iraqi war is that is has been made safe for the ayatollahs with close links to Iran. As soon as the last “Coalition” soldier leaves Afghanistan, it will revert to its Hobbesian ways or else to a Taliban-style Islamic dictatorship. One possible answer regarding American motives may be roughly as follows. The friends of Israel are developing a long-term Machiavellian ploy: they are pleased to let these previously secularist Muslim states revert to their Jihadist ways, so that our unsinkable aircraft carrier appears that much more valuable and indispensable as the only reliable ally in the region. The Muslims are just impossible, we supported their democratization—and now, look! The Jihadist veterans of Benghazi have replaced Qaddafy, the same thing has happened in Tunisia, and we were helping them bring down Bashar al-Assad in Syria… It is entirely possible that this is the broad agenda of some elements of the power structure inside the Beltway. On the other hand, within that structure there are still many people who do believe that all those English-speaking, tweeting yuppies from Tahrir Square protests last February will have an upper hand in Cairo and that the Arab Spring will go on from one triumph to another—but of course not to Saudi Arabia, not to Bahrein, not to the Emirates, because our friends there have warned us that things would get out of hand and that we would end up with some rather nasty Shiite dictatorships. The aftermath of 9-11 has not only displayed the geopolitical shortsightedness of the Western elite class. Above all it has unveiled the extent of its self-hate. This goes well beyond its inability to protect the citizens of the Western world. It reflects a pathological desire to enable the enemies of the traditional nations of Europe and of what used to be “the American people” to establish a physical, cultural and political foothold in those countries. The elite class has been facilitating this process every step of the way, to the point where it is no longer possible to have a meaningful debate on the character of Islam in the European Union or Canada. Effective criminalization of meaningful debate has reached the point where merely quoting Islamic sources can get you into trouble if the guardians of the multicultural grail determine that you had done so with hostile intent. What 9-11 has done for the Muslim world is enormously valuable. It has tested the will of the West and found it wonting. There is no need for further terrorist attacks, and if they happen it will be by some isolated self-starters disconnected from the “community.” Large-scale attacks are no longer necessary. The point has been made. What the Muslims need now is merely to continue on the long Gramscian road that will turn Dar-al-Harb into Dar-al-Islam. The shift is well under way and it is statistically predictable. In Britain, net immigration is greater than ever before, and much of it consists of Muslims from the Subcontinent, the Middle East and Africa. On current form the strategy of Riyadh and Ankara will continue to pay dividends because there is nothing in the way of changing the demographic transformation of Europe in particular. By the end of this century some of its oldest nations will no longer be able to reverse the process, and there will be no political will to make an attempt. What can save us? A miracle! Or else, as I said eight years ago at the JRC meeting in New Orleans, what can save us is a precipitous, drastic economic crisis that would remove all legitimacy from the ruling elite and end any credibility it may have in managing the crisis. For the time being people are still looking to governments for solutions, rather than perceiving them as part of the problem. What can help save us is the fact that the Muslims are not capable of thinking creatively and establishing harmonious and prosperous polities. If there is a belated recovery of the West in the wake of a global economic meltdown, and if the Muslim world is subsequently left to its own devices, the end-result will be the rediscovery of meaning and faith in the West—and yet another round of decline into moral depravity, intellectual decrepitude and material poverty in the Muslim world. 139
Posted by John on September 13, 2011, 10:49 AM | # Matt Parrot: “My treatment of the issue was more delicate than most of the others on your hit list. I don’t much care about the issue, though I’m familiar enough with it to have my own opinion.” Matt, does the fact that on October 10, 2001, two Mossad agents, one of whom was an ex-IDF colonel who had entered Mexico illegally were caught red-handed in the Mexican Parliament with plastic explosives, detonators and Pakistani passports give you pause to change your opinion? History is replete with proven false flag attacks. That fact might not prove anything but along with the various anomalies in the official story (collapsing buildings, Bush sitting impassively after being informed for half an hour when he could have been one of the targets (that one makes no sense whether it was a false flag or not, if you think about it), lack of air response for almost an hour after flight 77 had turned of its transponder until it (ostensibly) hit the Pentagon, various warnings of gov’t officials not to fly that day, ad infinitum, two Israelis caught trying to blow up the Mexican Parliament (it’s really hard to interpret that as anything else) should give anyone with any sense cause to doubt that the government is telling the truth about who really pulled 911 off. 140
Posted by Leon Haller on September 13, 2011, 10:54 AM | # THE REAL REASON OUR RACE IS DOOMED TO EXTINCTION, AND WN - APART FROM MY WHITE ZION PROPOSAL - IS NEVER GOING ANYWHERE: ———
The latest results are based on an Aug. 4-7 USA Today/Gallup poll, which included an oversample of blacks. Approval of black-white marriages is at a record high among blacks and whites. Blacks have always been more approving than whites of interracial marriage, going back to 1968 when Gallup first was able to report reliable estimates on each group’s opinions. However, the gap in approval ratings has narrowed considerably, averaging 13 percentage points since 1997 but 32 points from 1968-1994.
Wide Generation Gap in Views of Black-White Marriage Approval of black-white marriage is well above the majority level among all key subgroups, though slightly lower among Southerners, Republicans, conservatives, and those with no college education. Senior citizens are the least approving of black-white marriage among major subgroups, at 66%.
Today’s older Americans, those aged 50 and older, are much more likely to approve of black-white marriage than people of the same age a generation ago; 78% today vs. 27% in 1991, a 51-point shift. At the same time, there has also been a 33-point increase among 18- to 29-year-olds (64% to 97%) and a 35-point increase among 30- to 49-year-olds (from 56% to 91%) between the two time periods. The increase in approval of black-white marriage among all Americans, however, is probably more the result of changing attitudes within the population than it is changes in the composition of the population with more socially progressive younger adults replacing less progressive older ones. This is evident from examining the same age cohorts in 1991 and now. Each cohort shows 30 point or more increases in approval of black-white marriage today compared with the same group’s attitudes 20 years ago.
However, generational replacement is still a factor as today’s younger Americans, who were children or not even born 20 years ago and are nearly unanimous in their approval of black-white marriage, are replacing now-deceased Americans who were generally less likely to approve of interracial marriage when they were alive. Implications Americans’ acceptance of marriage between people of different races continues to grow and is approaching unanimity, with 86% now approving of marriages between blacks and whites. Widespread approval of interracial marriage is a dramatic shift from roughly 50 years ago when 4% approved, and even 20 years ago, when about half as many approved as do so today. The trend mimics the growing support for gay marriage—though Americans are still less likely to accept that practice than interracial marriage. It also follows the trend toward increasing racial tolerance on other measures such as voting for a black president and an increasing belief in progress and equality for blacks in the U.S. more generally.
It’s not the Jews, people, at least not anymore. Our own people have been irrevocably brainwashed. I’ve been saying this all along, please remember. There is only going to be ever greater levels of miscegenation, until the last white holdouts are simply impotent - at the mercy of Racial Others outnumbering us 1000 to 1. The time for WN, MR, etc etc was 50 years ago. We are too little, way too late. White Zion is the Last Hope. 141
Posted by Revolution Harry on September 13, 2011, 11:02 AM | #
No and that’s not what I said. The apex is way higher than ‘corporate elites’ and if you’d read my comment you’d see that I specifically stated that Mr Lizardoid himself, David Icke, is easily identified as controlled opposition. He performs several functions, one of which is to associate any questioning of the official paradigm aka conspiracy theory, with lizards and other absurdities, so as to discourage people from doing the necessary questioning and research. Looks like you’ve fallen for it.
No I’m not. Both 9/11 and the deliberate genocide of the ‘white’ peoples of the world are two elements of the same agenda. That is temporal and spiritual control of the planet. They are different and if you’d read my comment you’d see I suggested not getting too lost in the (intentionally designed) maze that is 9/11 conspiracy. However the deliberate genocide of the ‘white’ peoples of the world is undoubtedly evil. Equally, so was 9/11. Making people realise that that both spring from the same evil source and both serve the same agenda is no bad thing.
No, because I don’t think it was ‘the Jews’. As I said, there were undoubtedly *some* Jews involved but I don’t think that what we face is instigated solely by Jews or for solely Jewish interests. Dasein, it was clearly a controlled demolition on all three buildings. You’re obviously not an idiot. Why are you so resistant to the idea that the official story is nonsense? 142
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 13, 2011, 11:45 AM | #
Yes, Leon, it could have been fun. I had hoped to provide you and Danielj with some edifying conversation at an excellent local restaurant, but since you’ve rejected my offer in favor of ingratiating yourself to Yaweh, I can only offer you a kindly word of advice: 143
Posted by danielj on September 13, 2011, 12:07 PM | # Looks like it’s just you and the Dago-Anglo Jimmy. 144
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 13, 2011, 12:46 PM | #
Lookin’ forward to it, Dude. Captcha = so88uth 145
Posted by mikesummers on September 13, 2011, 01:25 PM | # http://bit.ly/prBBAQ - Racist 9/11 Facebook Post
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Posted by Lurker on September 13, 2011, 01:32 PM | # Dan - I just paid one of my rare visits to Facebook - you’ve dropped out of sight! 147
Posted by John on September 13, 2011, 02:48 PM | # @Leon, In 1968, few anti-miscegenators would think twice about answering pollsters’ questions on that topic less than honestly. And the polls do reflect a significant and deeply unfortunate change. They didn’t fathers about their daughters (though they’d have gotten dishonest answers there as well but probably not so many). Looking at what white people do more accurately reflects what is going on at their core. What “anti-racism” among white people that the polls reflect is mostly a mile wide and an inch deep. 148
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 13, 2011, 03:22 PM | # A mile wide and an inch deep - agree just like American Christianity. @Leon Leon before you leave us I was wondering if you could answer a couple of question (perhaps even post an article at MR in response to them)? Are you a lifelong Catholic or a convert? Do you believe in the concept of an immortal soul – if so where does this ‘God’ stuff reside (in us?) Given the universalistic claims of Christianity – one radical example being Karl Rahner’s doctrine of ‘Anonymous Christianity’ – why, other than for tactical/PR purposes, do you wish to link this religion to particularistic (i.e. ethnocentric) politics? 149
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 13, 2011, 03:40 PM | # @Jimmy Those Youtube links are too funny. Apparently rare footage of Mr. Haller has appeared on Youtube. Love the eyewear! 150
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 13, 2011, 03:48 PM | # Cor blimey! A video from when the East End still had English people in it! 151
Posted by J Richards on September 13, 2011, 04:13 PM | # @Robert Reis Thank you for the article on the insider trading. Whereas I mentioned it in the 9/11 compilation, I’ve been able to locate the following, and will be updating the compilation shortly: So there’s decent proof and ANOTHER SMOKING GUN. No prizes for guessing which community knew that 9/11 was about to happen and made handsome profits from it in the stock market. @Dasein You can only insist that we agree to disagree if the evidence I present and your counter-evidence leads to an equivocal interpretation, but this isn’t the case. It’s far from obvious that the Harrit et. al. paper’s been adequately critiqued. Let me bring your attention to this email correspondence between Dr. Greening and Harrit et al. http://the911forum.freeforums.org/email-correspondence-on-active-thermitic-paper-abridged-t157.html I’d leave you to observe who ends up behaving childishly and who hasn’t come up with a feasible chemical reaction other than a highly exothermic one [engineered explosive] that could’ve produced a molten metallic product. 152
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 04:39 PM | # Parrott not only lies about 911, he promotes other FBI talking points on staged terrorism in the past. Hunter Wallace of OccidentalDissent uses it as a way to shore up his non-existent “cred” and the silence of the oh-so-anti-semitic VNN crowd is telling isn’t it? Sharper than a serpent’s tooth it is to be yoked with Thumper & Parrott. Please try our wonderful WTC thread-of-many-views, anonymous condescending you. 153
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 04:48 PM | # Re the WTC demolition (should never be referred to as 9/11, which is a propaganda term - can you miniority idiots really not feel the warm splash of jewpiss all over the jebus-lovin’ Idiocrastic AmeriKwan public in NINE-ONE-ONE - omigod it’s an emergency call from god to take out the muslims, we must DO something!): What does a known, admitted building demolition look like? There are sputter pops as the walls/supports are blown out, the building descends more or less quickly and straight down, there is a big cloud of debrisful dust that lasts for some time, coming up from the ground. Now, you don’t need to be a scientist of any flavor to see that what happened to the WTC main towers was not like this at all. They looked like they exploded before they ever came down, and no, I’m not talking about the smoke from the airplane crashes. Common sense is all it takes to see that the main towers were not brought down by planes. And of course, that’s not even to mention the third building unhit by any plane at all. 154
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 13, 2011, 04:52 PM | # This unsavory troll-fest merely reinforces my conviction that I am right about the controlled demolition and disappearing airplanes crowd: this is a ZOG false flag mounted by expert hoaxers seeking to derail any rational discussions of Jewish foreknowledge and responsibility for 9/11 into sheer barking madness. The leaders of Israel and American Jewry bear moral responsibility for 9/11. They knew what was happening, thought it would advance their interests, and wanted home movies as a keepsake. They did nothing to stop it. They are our enemies. They have to leave this country, all of them. And the those who were actively involved with the subversion of our nation need to pay for their crimes. But that is a far cry from saying that Israel manufactured the whole thing. It is possible. There have been other Israeli false flags. But to leap from possibility to certitude is illogical and destroys one’s credibility in the minds of rational people. That is what I primarily mean by “excited talk.” Life is short, and our struggle is long. I am a serious man, and I do not have time for things that do not matter, like arguing about thermite and disappearing airplanes with trolls, hoaxers, and well-meaning dupes. I call “Bullshit,” and I am leaving it at that. The people who have the maturity and self-confidence to do the same, and walk away from this circus, are the kind of people we need to make headway. 155
Posted by danielj on September 13, 2011, 05:09 PM | # Lurker, Just reactivated my account. I’ll find you again. 156
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 05:18 PM | #
And the “vast majority” of those who “Lew” would consider technically qualified to render judgment have looked into the matter? Of course not. The significant thing is that a very large body of credible people with that technical background you insist on DOES say exactly what amateurs credentialed with nothing more than functioning eyes, ears and brains say too: that planes did not bring down those building. You know - the ones built to withstand multiple plane crashes? The plane crashes were eye candy for the masses. Anyone equipped with ordinary sense organs and a functioning master controller can see the buildings, including the two built to sustain multiple plane crashes, and the one that wasn’t even hit by a plane, were deliberately demolished. If you count on the planes alone, from the POV of the perp, you won’t kill enough to precipitate a war; only guaranteeing the towers will come down will result in the massive death toll that will guarantee some nation’s heads will have to roll in revenge. Well, guess who’s the only party with the access needed to set this thing up? Yep, the judenese. Of course some of ‘our’ government new about it, but they did not conceive or produce the plot. Notice that as soon as there’s debate about what happened, the mass media immediately turn it into a pseudo debate between the government’s official theory and the inside job theory. Never on the table is “the Mossad did it,” which is the correct answer. 157
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 05:22 PM | #
But of course it’s not as simple as linking those two entirely separate claims into a universal dismissal. WN should press on here, just as they should with ‘‘the’ ‘holocaust,’’ there is great political profit to be made.
Sure - some of what is claimed by ‘truthers’ is lies intended to mislead. But that does not mean all technical claims can be dismissed. Evidence can and has been sifted, and it’s a mistake to dismiss all technical argument as a waste of time and attempt to mislead. ‘9/11’ is as good an avenue as any other to lead honest white men into our ‘thing.’ 158
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 05:36 PM | #
Sigh. When did rational thinking become so difficult for people? Greg, now I’m gonna type slowly so you can follow along. The….buildings…were…designed. To withstand. Multiple… plane… crashes… Do you understand what that implies? It means there are only two options. 1) the designers miscalculated 2) the designers did not miscalculate Now, if we go by the WILD THEORY that the designers actually knew what they were professionally certified to do… The only LOGICAL… the only RATIONAL conclusion we can draw is that… the buildings were not brought down by the plane crashes. But if that is true, then the buildings had to have been prepped and demolished from within. You see where I’m headed here, Greg? You do, don’t you. Good job. Who had access to the inside of the jew-owned, jew-insured jewscrapers located in the heart of Jewville? Jews? Or muslims? I think even a Ph.D. can figure that one out. I think. So yeah… the jews didn’t just know about this. They produced it. Just like a movie. Hell, they even filmed it just like a movie. Greatest. Chutzpah. Ever. I guarantee you that is how they look at it among themselves. 159
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 05:54 PM | #
No kidding. But I know of no particular point on which it has been demonstrated he lied, and his books, which are full of admissions against interest that can be used by WN to verify what we claim about jews-Israel-Mossad, have been out for over ten years. You’re not smart enough to be as suspicious as you are.
Breivik’s case turns on his main motivation. I accept what he says about going after the elite turning Nordic Norway into Muddy Musland. You choose to believe that he spent his life to go after some college adults thinking about boycotting Israel. Of course the kikes are gloating about that, because they see everything 100% from their own perspective, and hate all criticism, and want all critics dead. Only a dimwit can fail to see the difference in weight between some silly THEORETICAL boycott and saving your homeland from being mudslimed by muslims and africans. 161
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 13, 2011, 06:25 PM | # For you, Alex, i will make an exception. I see two problems with your argument. First, you think that the demolition of the towers would even be necessary, whereas I think it is obvious overkill. Second, you accept the claim that the buildings were built to withstand multiple airplane crashes. Since you are not an engineer, I assume you are accepting it on authority. Well, I have my doubts. This is a country in which experts routinely remove and discard the one healthy kidney, or leg, or testicle. So before I would accept the claim in question, I would have to be able to verify it for myself. And that would require years of education and a great deal of research. And that would be a waste of my time and yours. 162
Posted by J Richards on September 13, 2011, 06:58 PM | # @Greg Johnson You can bitch and moan all you want about the “unsavory troll-fest” and “sheer barking madness,” but the fact remains, and it’s been pointed out at your own website, that at least 7 of the 19 alleged Arab hijackers were found alive; I’ve named them if you wish to verify. What do you have to say about this? And given that in 10 years the government hasn’t released any video surveillance showing the hijackers, and the rest of the passengers of the hijacked planes, at the airports from which the hijacked planes took off, how can you maintain that Jews let the Arab hijackers carry out their mission? How many times does this have to be pointed out for you to take note and respond? And Linder’s right about the buildings designed to withstand multiple jetliner impacts. Some of the architects/engineers who designed the twin towers are on record for stating this. With a bunch of airports not too far away [for a plane], the buildings had to be designed with the foresight of a potential rendezvous with errant/malfunctioning airplanes. And don’t forget the smoking gun, which I’ve debated with Dasein above: highly engineered thermite found in WTC dust. In your article at CC, you’ve championed Occam’s razor while violating it, and parsimony, in a most serious manner, akin to your saying “Jews out!” but then going on to absolve them of the most serious charge, planning and orchestration! 163
Posted by J Richards on September 13, 2011, 07:13 PM | # @Robert Reis That 9/11 in 5 minutes video is a great find! Instead of asking readers to look up videos that are 2+ hours long, nothing beats the 5-min. video. I’ll update the compilation. Thanks.
I did mention the Mexican bomb plot, but didn’t know that the Jews in this case had [fake] Pakistani passports, which I must add to the compilation as it shows, for the umpteenth time, that they plot and attempt or execute all sort of vile acts, trying to make it look like Muslims are behind them. Thanks. 164
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 07:19 PM | #
Okay, so we’ll take your opinion on authority over that of the guy who oversaw the WTC’s construction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q74MiBSqm78 It’s hilarious how these official story defenders don’t see any contradiction in citing the expert opinion AFTER the attacks as authoritative (where there is obviously intense political pressure to keep quiet), while being completely dismissive of the expert opinion from BEFORE the attacks (which was that the buildings could withstand “multiple jetliner impacts”). 9/11 truly is the litmus test… of basic critical thinking ability. 165
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 13, 2011, 07:22 PM | # Steel melts around 2777 degrees F. Open-flame jet fuel burns at around 550 degrees F. NIST’s tests show the actual steel temperatures in the fire-affected floors to have been around 500 degrees F or below Steel may lose 40% strength at around 1000 degrees F. The structure acts as a heat sink and is designed to move heat from warmer to cooler areas, thus avoiding high temps in any one area. 166
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 07:59 PM | # Lew:
Not in the US. And, if I’m not mistaken, there were no laws against Holocaust revisionism in Europe until the 1960’s. It’s also easier to justify laws against questioning the Holocaust (you can cite supporting Nazism, or wanting to kill Jews or whatever). 9/11 revisionism also has much broader public support and thus is more difficult to legislate against.
The idea that 9/11 revisionism is about science and Holocaust revisionism is about history is a false dichotomy. There’s lots of analysis of journalistic materials involved in studying 9/11, and lots of scientific details involved in the Holocaust debate. A major theme of Holocaust revisionism is that gassing millions of Jews with Zyklon B as the official account describes would not have been technologically feasible. Every PhD chemist in the United States learned this story in the history books as a kid, and all are allowed by law to challenge it, and yet how many do? By your own logic we should conclude that the gassing stories are true, correct? “This is why it is necessary (IMO) to rely on a preponderance of expert opinion when evaluating a science issue, not just a the small minority that confirms one’s perspective.” Right?
There’s lots of material to work with if you want to study the Holocaust. In many ways, there’s more than there is for 9/11. Try getting ahold of a piece of wreckage from any of the four planes, for instance. You make it sound like videos are the most useful piece of evidence for doing forensics, which is obviously absurd.
There are no laws against Holocaust revisionism. What are all the chemists and historians waiting to speak out for? Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth has over 1500 members. Chemists and Historians for Holocaust Revisionism does not exist. I don’t really dispute that there is a stronger taboo against Holocaust revisionism than there is against questioning 9/11, but it’s a difference of degree rather than kind. Political pressure is preventing formal inquiry in both cases. I don’t see why that’s so hard for you to understand. 167
Posted by Lew on September 13, 2011, 08:04 PM | # There are thousands of credentialed engineers, architects, pilots, and demolition experts out there. There are probably 10s of thousands across the globe if you count the experts in India, China, Russia, Japan and the other advanced nations. Have most of them investigated the 9/11 events in detail? Clearly no. Would they be qualified to investigate if they wanted to? Many would be, yes. The question naturally arises then: why have most of world’s experts elected not to devote professional analysis time to this globe-altering incident with worldwide implications? A person or research team that conclusively proved demolition would go down in history. Let’s bear in mind also that these thousands of experts 1) fall within the large pool of humanity armed with common sense and eyes - and - 2) fall within that tiny subset of humanity that has common sense, eyes and expert training. Yet, amazingly, even though these 10s of thousands of experts saw what the entire whole world saw, almost none of them have seen any reason whatsoever to investigate the 9/11 collapses despite having professional expertise, common sense and eyes. It’s interesting. The take away for me from this is that there is almost certainly nothing there worth investigating. If most of the world’s professionals who also have both common sense and eyes have see no reason to be suspicious of these collapses, then that’s good enough for me. WTC demolition is without out a doubt DISINFORMATION that is sending smart people down a blind alley. It is causing people to waste valuable time and divert the focus from the real issue which is Jewish foreknowledge of 9/11 and the Jews’ control of US policy in general. 168
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 08:08 PM | #
Hmm. I perceive your response to exhibit a weakness of reasoning that is born of weariness with a subject you thinkdoesn’t really matter since you already accept Israeli foreknowledge. It’s not “overkill” for the reason I stated. If it were just planes hitting the buildings, it’s not enough to trigger a war. You need to put the buildings on the ground, hopefully with massive numbers of dead. As for years of study and such, nigga please. This is the tallest building ever built, and it’s right in the heart of a giant city. You don’t have to know anything about engineering to know that you would have needed a metric ton of applications and filings and studies to even begin to think about getting approval to build such. Something that tall would have been put through as much computer-modeling as was done by NASA to go to the moon. But oh noes, a single plane hits each tower and, hours later, it all comes tumbling down. And then a building next to it. No, no, I totally get how you could buy that planes did all that. Are you kidding me? It’s ironic as hell that the very people who claim you have to be an expert to judge this never acknowledge that the buildings were constructed to specific design specifications, including and explicitly stating the ability to withstand MULTIPLE PLANE STRIKES. So if you’re arguing that planes DID bring down the towers, you are arguing that the designer didn’t know what he was doing. Which is precisely the type of judgment you’re claim amateurs like you and me are unfit to render. Trust me. You don’t need any degree, you just need common sense, to see that these buildings were not brought down by planes. I wouldn’t think I would have to argue such a ridiculous thing to Ph.D.s, especially when one of the buildings that miraculously fell-down-go-boom wasn’t even hit by a plane in a first place. Christ on a crutch. Maybe I should join the rest of the heard and loft gulpy prayers to Jesus, and set my posterity back downhill to Amoebaville, where the water’s always warm. Cuz that’s damn sure where we’re headed unless some you restart the head engines. 169
Posted by Lew on September 13, 2011, 08:09 PM | # anon, I wrote out my last comment before I saw yours at 1:59 PM. I have to bail out now, but I will give your fair points some thought if this issue comes up in the future. 170
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 08:21 PM | # One thing I’ve had a time-lapse epiphany about over the last 3-4 years is that the belief in causality is a tiny-minority view among humans. Not more than 1/5 or 1/10 or 1/20 actually believes that things that happened in this world have causes. Now, this is disguised by the fact that most people use the language of rationality and causality, but that is mere parroting. What they actually believe in is magic. It’s just uncool to admit that in public. But more than that, most of them don’t even realize they believe in magic. The plane debate above is a good example. Not even a brilliant Ph.D. like Johnson who has no interest in lies about the subject in questions is willing to follow where the logic leads. But it remains true, despite what any man wants to believe. If planes brought those buildings down, then the guy who built them, who was professionally qualified and certified, and backed by huge advisory and computing power, made a very bad miscalculation. Probably hundreds or thousands of miscalculations. All that is absolutely logically entailed and unavoidable if you buy the planes theory. Yet no one seems to see how significant that is. The very ones citing scientific expertise are hoisted by their own petard, as the cons used to love to say. Is it not self-evident that much likelier than the designer/builder of the tallest building in North America being incompetent to construct a skyscraper able to withstand multiple plane strikes is that in fact he was/is competent, and that some other means of bringing down his building was actually used? 171
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 13, 2011, 08:42 PM | # Notice the style of arguments from the 911 Liar crowd: “why have most of world’s experts elected not to devote professional analysis time to this globe-altering incident with worldwide implications? “ It’s not even necessary, since the prima facie case is that the towers were demolished. Your absolute nutjob idea that fires from the jet fuel caused three towers to collapse is absurd, looney tunes. The reason you don’t have Asian scientists writing about it is because it’s so OBVIOUS. It’s only in the US where you can get fired for stating the obvious. “this is a ZOG false flag mounted by expert hoaxers seeking to derail any rational discussions of Jewish foreknowledge and responsibility for 9/11 into sheer barking madness. “ Someone protests too much. Demolition, and Jewish foreknowledge, have been discussed by average, regular people since the day of 911, posted about on the internet millions of times, and would be the conventional opinion, if not for the media, and the 911 Liar movement. It took a LOT of propaganda, and suppression of the evidence (like video of WTC7 being banned from TV) to get people to believe the Official Conspiracy Theory. 911 is the Litmus Test of our times. Anyone - at this LATE date - still either believing the official story, or simply defending it for other reasons, should be relegated to the status of controlled opposition and/or religious nutjob. 172
Posted by anon / uh on September 13, 2011, 08:49 PM | #
No shortage of experts. Everyone in disagreement “relegated” to opposition and quackery. Hey-ooooo. Greg Johnson is the enemy! lolzlolzolzolzolozlzolzolzollz
Life is short, and our struggle is long. I am a serious man, and I do not have time for things that do not matter, like arguing about thermite and disappearing airplanes with trolls, hoaxers, and well-meaning dupes. I call “Bullshit,” and I am leaving it at that. The people who have the maturity and self-confidence to do the same, and walk away from this circus, are the kind of people we need to make headway. U da man Greg!!! 173
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 13, 2011, 08:55 PM | # Don’t forget the album Party Music released before 911- http://static.gigwise.com/gallery/6883285_TheCoup-PartyMusic.jpg 174
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 09:08 PM | # Life is short, and our struggle is long. I am a serious man, and I do not have time for things that do not matter, like arguing about thermite and disappearing airplanes with trolls, hoaxers, and well-meaning dupes. I call “Bullshit,” and I am leaving it at that. The people who have the maturity and self-confidence to do the same, and walk away from this circus, are the kind of people we need to make headway. This kind of housewifely prissiness is unseemly in a homosexual, Gregeth. It’s positively he-Stromian. Yeah, no shit, Greggy, the jews have larded up the truth sausage with lots of sawdust filler. I’m pretty sure you are expert-qualified to tell the real meat (thermite) from the plywood (disappearing planes) when you see it. Just say the yids could have done the whole thing, but I’ll leave that for others to prove and be done with it. 175
Posted by anon / uh on September 13, 2011, 09:55 PM | # Alex, I’ve read you with unmatched delight for, oh, ten years — from the very beginning of Vanguard. In my view the simmering bad blood between you and Johnson is mildly tragic, despite often comedic results. You two have things in common. You are both unrivaled in your principled, open stance against Jewry. You both have degrees which you’ve put to good use in your online endeavors, and have met with success, as far as white nationalism goes. People respect and follow you. You two are, indeed, leading lights of the non-movement, and two of the most cutting and interesting writers to grace a mostly drab existence among morons. Alex Linder: “No Jews. Just right.” And what I quoted from Johnson exemplifies his character to me. So he is more sociable than you are. He lives in California. And I believe this is one of the roots of your disagreement; I mean you disagree with each other’s character more than his ideas, except in this case. But you see, every time you take issue with him, you accuse him of “housewifery” or some such, like everything he says is petty and produced. But here he said plainly that he doesn’t believe the WTC affair was an “inside job”, doesn’t care to be drawn into it, and was “done with it”. What are you after here? Let a man have his say and have done if he chooses. It isn’t an unreasonable animosity though. While you’re both plain-speaking men, you’re American raunchy where Johnson is, as you know, would-be Euro crust. And I know telling Alex Linder of all men to stop being so damned bristly were purest folly, that from this arises your great talent. I just hope you understand that he isn’t really your enemy despite how deeply you’ve absorbed the Bohemian corporal’s situation-appropriate lesson that anyone not goosestepping behind you on every point is the opposition. Dude’s against the Jews and homo kulchur, even being homosexual. Let this one go. 177
Posted by anon / uh on September 13, 2011, 10:04 PM | # I remember a couple years back when a naive young prick came on with a lot of blowhard criticism, causing a little furor here. Guessedworker’s absence was most conspicuous and a few had their suspicions. No doubt his silence in these threads is related. Smart man who weathers the storm of useless controversy in this fashion. 178
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 10:08 PM | # The pilot episode of the TV show “The Lone Gunmen” from March 2001 featured a government conspiracy in which remote control planes were crashed into the WTC as a false flag terrorist attack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g18Dg7db4 There’s lots of other evidence out there that this whole idea was floating around in elite media and military/intelligence circles before the actual WTC attacks occurred. 179
Posted by anon / uh on September 13, 2011, 10:31 PM | # anon11111, I do not know in what heuristic bias or logical fallacy you’ve just indulged, but I shall illustrate it for you. Indeed it was floating around. Sometime late ‘01 I ran into an old school chum at a Barnes & Noble. In school our friendship was very casual but we enjoyed total frankness and would express some pretty outrageous ideas to each other for a couple of know-nothing sixteen year olds, so he felt comfortable telling me the following. He was then in college and earlier that year was tasked with writing a letter to a famous personage as an exercise in Comp. He chose Osama bin Laden, whose black star had not yet fully risen, and in his letter he enthusiastically recommended that he and his boys use the old trick of hijacking passenger jets and crashing them into high-profile targets, “for example, the World Trade Center”. When the planes hit the towers, he said, his first thought was that he’d be hearing from CIA. In reality this was the imaginative confluence of two terrorist precedents: plane hijacking and the WTC as a target. Nothing more. And it’s exactly the same in the case of that TV show. They employ guys with enough imagination to turn out fantastic plots drawing from what is known in the world. Nothing more. All this proves is that certain guys with middling literary talent can come up with such scenarios. I know another guy who, years and years ago, wanted me to rob a bank with him because he had an air-tight plan, etc. And to be honest, it was a diabolically good plan! Unfortunately I saw it used on a TV cop drama a few months later, making it unusable, and no doubt saving us both from some bad times. Sometimes art anticipates life. It happens. It isn’t proof of political malfeasance at any level, certainly not anywhere close to Yankee White. Was it “floating around ... in military/intelligence circles”? Of course it was: they draw up contingency plans for hundreds of scenarios. It’s their fucking job. They would be criminally stupid if they hadn’t had a contingency plan, though from the failure to react it seems to me maybe they hadn’t. I don’t know, as a rule I keep this shit far from my brain. Point remains: it’s no proof that this idea of crashing hijacked planes into the WTC was “in the air” even in the IntelCom. It’s no proof that some script writers thought of it too. Script writers are smarter than Langley and Peshawar combined. C’est la Kwa. 181
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 13, 2011, 10:35 PM | #
Greg has a point for once ... surely, ideas like “Jews Did Norway” and “Jews Did 9/11” and “Jews Did The Civil War” warrant a special place of honor in the WN Hall of Fame of crackpot ideas. Jews assassinated Lincoln? You heard that one too. If I was paranoid like HAC, I might wonder if this was a “Cass Sunstein operation” designed to make criticism of Jews look nutty or ridiculous. It is exactly shit like this that makes it so hard to discuss the issue. This type of foolishness is the biggest obstacle standing in the way of men like Kevin MacDonald. Unfortunately, I have dealt with too many bonafide kooks and self generating crackpots over the years to believe in conspiracy theories. In fact, it doesn’t take a Jewish conspiracy to make anti-Semitism look ridiculous, or to undermine White Nationalism. Do you remember Richard Barrett? You have marginal people out there who will jump at the chance to play the role of a Hollywood Nazi. They have been doing it ever since George Lincoln Rockwell. Then you have Linder who believes in declaring war on his own neighbors in Kirksville as a strategy and who believes “naming the Jew” on a vBulletin forum with Rounder and Bill White is a “plan.” 182
Posted by anon / uh on September 13, 2011, 11:02 PM | #
No. No I don’t. I ought to qualify my praise of Linder by admitting I’ve always found his choice of messmates bizarre and damaging. Then when an obvious, committed, and highly talented ally comes on the scene, he holds him at arm’s length — more of the same war of egos which will never be overcome. Fortunately for every ego there are a dozen brilliant & humble men in the ranks of the commentariat, here, on the HBD sites, the Game sites especially, and so on. Five comments by Svigor are worth a hundred Counter-Currents essays to the average American reader. Your “revelation” entries of two months ago are also top-notch delivery. F*** Covington btw, I have no patience for his delusion. I see “white nationalism”, what I once styled an “online therapy club” or some shit, as emerging from a chrysalis from the grubby costume phase into a purer and more beautiful, theoretical phase. My position with regard to real-world permeability is well-known so I won’t repeat myself only to say this is strictly ideological, not a step toward real politics in the least. Wandrin and Svigor are perfecting a language that will put much to rest in the coming years. Game blogs have wider readership than ours, and our ideas long ago found their way into them, with open cross-pollination in the commentary. Every day evolutionary psychology makes gains on enemy positions, despite the imperturbable ignorance of the masses for all of it. YouTube is littered with those sharing our view(s). There’s much sympathy out there for our worldview, which is after all only a view of the world without semantic blinders on. And the view is only becoming sharper (“fine-grained” as the geeks say) every year. At the moment internet media are in overdrive. The costume party is over, social systems theory is the name of the game, and this 9/11 shit is the last refuge of the indiscriminate. 183
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 11:10 PM | #
Sure buddy, I really believe this. Hijacking passenger jets and crashing them into high-profile targets is an “old trick”? I’m pretty sure 9/11 is the first and only time it has ever occurred. You get an A for effort though. 184
Posted by MOB on September 13, 2011, 11:15 PM | # Well, I see that by the time I wrote my comment below, “anon/uh” (it doesn’t flow, does it…) also picked up on Alex’s use of “housewifely,” but from a different perspective. He’s thinking of Greg, and I thought of women. I said: With regard to “housewifely prissery”, I of course resent the arbitrary insertion of a female image to bear or share the onus of an alleged shortfall in a person of masculine gender, a device so commonly employed by the men of WN as to be almost unnoticed. I think GW would like it to stop. This means, in the present case, that if Alex succeeds in knocking Greg down, then Greg must fall alone, not cushioned by the female figure conjured up by Alex to soften the blow. I think a major problem with the WTC is that if we were to read the reports, watch the videos, do the math, measure the stresses, sniff the sulphur, and follow the Jew - no, scratch that - and finally, tired but happy, arrived at a firm decision—it would be like arriving at and opening a door that leads to nowhere. What next? What can our decision make happen or change? Until there’s an Action Outcome attached to our decision, it’s no better than speculation, and for most people, not worth a great deal of effort. 185
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 13, 2011, 11:23 PM | # Why bother arguing over that TV show? The idea wasn’t “floating around” the specific idea of planes being flown into the WTC was being simulated throughout the summer of 2001, and FAA and NORAD were running “hijacking drills” the day of 911, then it “went live.” That’s not a “coincidence” it’s a coup. After 911, the anthrax, and the DC sniper, Tommy Franks publicly stated if there were more terrorist attacks, the military would declare martial law. The attacks stopped. It doesn’t take much reading between the lines does it? This stuff came out YEARS ago. Anyone who is smart and perceptive enough to see the anti-white nature of the regime is certainly smart enough to see the OBVIOUS about 911, and if they insist that we play pretend, really, what’s the point of listening to anything else they have to say? Other than how you might nod politely when some religious nut spouts off about something “spiritual.” But I suspect many of them are just lying. Ron Paul was just attacked at the debates for very mild remarks supporting the official story, thus showing just how sensitive the topic is. But the liars aren’t just ignoring 911, or staying neutral - they are vigorously defending the official conspiracy theory, trying to squash dissent of it. What is their motivation for doing it? 186
Posted by A. Linder on September 13, 2011, 11:36 PM | # But you see, every time you take issue with him, you accuse him of “housewifery” or some such, like everything he says is petty and produced. But here he said plainly that he doesn’t believe the WTC affair was an “inside job”, doesn’t care to be drawn into it, and was “done with it”. What are you after here? Let a man have his say and have done if he chooses. Read harder. He terminated with prejudice. That’s what I object to. He’s saying two things: anyone who looks into it deeper than jews-had-prior-knowlege is wasting time AND he’s saying don’t bother because they didn’t produce the whole thing. Which of course he knows because he hasn’t looked into it. No kidding there are a million and one bogus alternative (to ZOG’s OTC) theories about what happened. Guess who came up with 900k of them? That’s part of the execution, in the broader sense - covering the trail by multiplying bogus arguments, personages, sites, claims, evidence. But we who can think, can find our way through the mess to the truth, even if the evidence necessary for complete proof has been destroyed. In short, Johnson is doing what you claim I’m doing. As for Johnson generally, I state for the record and shout to the world: I respect Greg Johnson. I think Greg Johnson is brilliant. Some of the best stuff Greg Johnson ever wrote, and I think the first political stuff, or at least WN stuff, appeared on VNN, which I am very proud of. I have maintained these positions consistently for over a decade, and I’m sure will continue to, because Johnson, unlike others on this thread, has basic integrity. If he didn’t, I would have cut with him long ago. So when I twit ol’ Greggy for his gluteal lixlipsia, it’s purely medicinal. Nastiness keeps him on the unstraight and narrow - keeps him a good ol’ snarling WN, and not a supersucking Meh-Spencer ‘n’ the Safelites seamstress. College degrees tend to kill the mind, but Greg Johnson has proved the exception to this rule. His soul is worth fighting for. He’s now personally experiencing the counter-current of social-professional pull back toward respectable conservatism, or “in from the cold” as interested Brimelow puts it . You see, and I am the first to say this (but not the first to observe it) altho the flow intellectually is all one way from conservatism to racialism, the professional and social flow is back toward conservatism, because that’s where the money and fame is. Takes a strong man not to be dragged under. I’m pulling back on Johnson the other way. Pulling him out of the young fogey machine. It’s Greg’s tragedy he’s a homosexual; I’m merely low or nasty enough to use it against him, if you want to look at it that way. But when I say housewifely, it’s not the homo part I’m digging at, it’s the pro-conservative hair-fixing “what others think"ism that turns otherwise Rabelaisians into podcons. Ick. Better a flamboyant WN faggot than another disgusting Republican with a manila folder full of crime stats. 187
Posted by anon11111 on September 13, 2011, 11:54 PM | #
Maybe you could elaborate on this. I see 9/11 as primarily a “psy-op” designed to further both foreign policy aims (the “War on Terror”) and domestic policy aims (e.g. the “Patriot Act”), but I’m not sure I see how it was a “coup”, in the sense of a group of people seizing power. I see it as something done by those already in power. I’m not sure I see what you’re getting at. 188
Posted by danielj on September 14, 2011, 12:08 AM | # I must admit that Alex Linder is on fucking point right now. Someone make sure the last few uh comments were coming from his ip address. 189
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 12:22 AM | #
The problem with Linder is that “another disgusting Republican with a manila folder full of crime stats” who makes that massive dossier of black-on-white crime an issue like Joe McCarthy in, say, a tussle with the Congressional Black Caucus in the House or the Senate ... ... that disgusting Republican could do more to change White racial attitudes and to give legitimacy to “extremist ideas” than a lifetime of “naming the Jew” on VNN Forum. It’s funny we are sitting here ridiculing the crime issue: after the flash mobs launched a revolution in Britain, after they terrorized Chicago, Milwaukee, and Philadelphia all summer, and how the issue has been successfully used to crack racial taboos in mainstream conservatism on both sides of the Atlantic. A single flash mob in Germantown caught on camera with smart phones and spread around through social media does more to erode racial taboos than the entire Linder corpus on VNN. Because, unlike attacks on Christianity and conservatism, it connects with real racial anxieties felt by ordinary people. Next year, when Obama loses the presidential election, and we get to experience Black Summer 2012, we can test out this theory. 190
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 12:23 AM | # anon11111, I don’t disagree with your assessment. I would call it an “internal coup” that lasted from 911 to early 2005. Iran was in the cards but the military establishment said ‘no’ and that was that, pulled away from the brink so to speak. Two years later, the Air Force fires a commander involved with loading up nuclear weapons onto a B-52 and flying them across the country for unknown, but probably obvious, purposes. I cannot believe the pro-white movement expects everyone to play pretend about these sorts of major, historically significant events. This is America, we do have freedom of speech here, and there’s no real reason to fear talking about it. They are of course, intimately related with the issues of Jewish power and our hostile elites generally. Again, I ask, who are these anti-911 truth people really trying to kid here? Perhaps they simply are embarrassed by how gullible they were. 191
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 12:32 AM | #
Yeah, back to J Richards land. You never explain how you intend to win without Christians and conservatives. What exactly is your constituency? Let’s make it easy on you ... what is your constituency in Kirksville? What is your strategy for winning over that constituency? Have you thought about it? There isn’t a constituency unless you count Rounder, Todd Vanbiber, and Curt Maynard. How strong are your ties to your own followers? They are anonymous people in cyberspace. Can you rely upon people like that? I seriously doubt it. The fact is, you either make Christianity and conservatism more racial, or you lose. There is no other way. Unless you believe you are going to organize an army of revolutionary National Socialists atheists like Harold Covington via podcasts to the White Nationalist movement. Richard Dawkins can’t even organize atheists to do anything - and the vast majority of them are on his wavelength. 192
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 12:34 AM | #
I’m surprised you’re using the feminist abusage ‘gender’ for sex. But I’ll defend my use. Concern over what other people think is very definitely more pronounced in the female sex than in the male. Do jews or nazis worry about how they look to others, or do they aggressively pursue their agenda, and let their hair blow where it may? It’s the figure of the primping girl, say Richard Spencer, with the white wine, carefully pushing her hair back behind before saying just the right thing at just the right time in just the right tone - these are the type who cannot create the change we need. They are attractive, because of the status cues they shed, to the dirt-eating Southern retards and low-rent Christian droolers who until now have been the demographic base of WN in America. These idiots see a Jared Taylor and are fooled by the appearance. Him wear suit. Him talk smart. Me like him. The jews know this. That is why they set before the right-wing goodlooking, very intelligent Ivy Leaguers like Buckley, Taylor and Spencer. I was a young mushard too, when in college. I shook Buckley’s hand and gushed. I didn’t know any better. I was too dim to make it out, no one ever told me, and the internet didn’t exist. Now I do know better. And I will fuck the fucking fuck out of these fucks until everybody gets the game being played, and that certainly includes dotty old women. But I respect you too, Marge. If we could whittle the 50% of you that’s a crazy jealous troublemaker away from the 50% that’s a shrewdly insightful analyst, why, we’d really have something. Try enjoying people who think they’re better than you rather than getting all snerky and resenting them. It’s more effective. You’ll be much happier and the world will be much less irritating. CMS is just a bunch of elderly conservatives, not some secret conspiratorial group of snobbists. Let the oldsters play with their Play-Doh, don’t get angry about it.
You’re conflating two unrelated problems. I know people who’ve come into our cause by way of arrowheads, no joke. So how much wider is the avenue WTC-Demo? As for organization, you’re quite right. But what’s the use of an org before we know who we are and what we want. And don’t tell me we do because we don’t. The fighting to define is where we are, and it’s one reason I’m typing here. Leon says it is counterintuitive to attack the conservatives, and he’s right. It is counterintuitive. It’s the right strategy for the reason I gave in my post above about Johnson - because the social-professional flow of men is BACK from racialism to conservatism. Meaning that a true White movement will never arise so long as it mixes with the more intelligent, safer, funds-raisier but WEAKER Systemic right. We must be a jealous cause, and destroy all competitors. And our only competitors are on the right. Once they’re gone, we’re ready for the big time - the jews. Well, in reality we fight both fronts simultaneously, but the fight that matters most first is against the fake opposition on the right - the professional conservatives. Naive MacDonald, grinning trimmer Schmedwards, and clever Parrott are all headed the wrong way. Someone needs to knock their heads together until they see the White light, and that someone is me. I’ve laid out a way we can win. A strategy. No one on the safe-n-legalist side has done that. The reason they haven’t done it is they can’t. The reason they can’t is there is no way to do it by the normal voting, writing, remonstrating. Leon wants everyone to get on board against immigration. Jesus P. Christ, Leon, who do you think ISN’T already on board against it? Every single state that votes votes the White way. Hell, even invaders themselves vote against further invasions. The problem is the courts simply throw it out. So there’s your real political problem: the enemy doesn’t follow the rules. It cheats. What do we do about that? That’s where White politics is - how do we resist criminals? Not how do we appeal to khaki-wearing hair-fixers. 193
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 12:50 AM | # I’ve laid out a way we can win. A strategy. No one on the safe-n-legalist side has done that. The reason they haven’t done it is they can’t. The reason they can’t is there is no way to do it by the normal voting, writing, remonstrating. Look, I am willing to personally travel to Kirksville to witness you try out the polarization strategy at the local churches, the local GOP, and at Truman State University. Let’s take action, Alex. 194
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 14, 2011, 01:00 AM | # The Critics of 9/11 Truth: Do They Have A Case? by Paul Craig Roberts
The 9/11 truth critics have nothing but ad hominem arguments. Let’s examine the case against the truthers presented by Ted Rall, Ann Barnhardt, and Alexander Cockburn. But first let’s define who the truthers are. The Internet has made it possible for anyone to have a web site and to rant and speculate to their heart’s content. There are a large number of 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Many on both sides of the issue are equally ignorant. Neither side has any shame about demonstrating ignorance. Both sides of the issue have conspiracy theories. 9/11 was a conspiracy whether a person believes that it was an inside job or that a handful of Arabs outwitted the entire intelligence apparatus of the Western world and the operational response of NORAD and the US Air Force. For one side to call the other conspiracy theorists is the pot calling the kettle black. The question turns not on name-calling but on evidence. The 9/11 Truth movement was not created by bloggers ranting on their web sites. It was created by professional architects and engineers some of whom are known for having designed steel high rise buildings. It was created by distinguished scientists, such as University of Copenhagen nano-Chemist Niels Harrit who has 60 scientific papers to his credit and physicist Steven Jones. It was created by US Air Force pilots and commercial airline pilots who are expert at flying airplanes. It was created by firefighters who were in the twin towers and who personally heard and experienced numerous explosions including explosions in the sub-basements. It was created by members of 9/11 families who desire to know how such an improbable event as 9/11 could possibly occur.
When a physicist proves that Building 7 (the stories not obscured by other buildings) fell at free fall speed and NIST has to acknowledge that he is correct, you can bet your life that the physicist is correct. When fire department captains and clean-up teams report molten steel – and their testimony is backed up with photographs – in the debris of the ruins weeks and months after the buildings’ destruction, you can bet your life the molten steel was there. When the same authorities report pumping fire suppressants and huge quantities of water with no effect on the molten steel, you can bet your life that the temperature long after the buildings’ destruction remained extremely high, far higher than any building fire can reach. When the architects, engineers, and scientists speak, they offer no theory of who is responsible for 9/11. They state that the known evidence supports neither the NIST reports nor the 9/11 Commission Report. They say that the explanation that the government has provided is demonstrably wrong and that an investigation is required if we are to discover the truth about the event. It is not a conspiracy theory to examine the evidence and to state that the evidence does not support the explanation that has been given. That is the position of the 9/11 Truth movement. What is the position of the movement’s critics? Ted Rall says: “Everything I’ve read and watched on Truther sites is easily dismissed by anyone with a basic knowledge of physics and architecture. (I spent three years in engineering school.) Wow! What powerful credentials. Has Rall ever designed a high rise steel building? Could Rall engage in a debate with a professor of nano-chemistry? Could he refute Newton’s laws in a debate with university physicists? Does Rall know anything about maneuvering airplanes? Does he have an explanation why 100 firefighters, janitors, and police report hearing and experiencing explosions that they did not hear or experience?
Ann Barnhardt writes: “I gotta tell you, I’ve just about had it with these 9/11 truthers. If there is one phenomenon in our sick, sick culture that sums up how far gone and utterly damaged we are as a people, it is 9/11 trutherism. It pretty much covers everything: self-loathing, antisemitism, zero knowledge of rudimentary physics and a general inability to think logically.” She goes down hill from here. Amazing, isn’t she? Physics professors have “zero knowledge of rudimentary physics.” Internationally recognized logicians have “a general inability to think logically.” People trained in the scientific method who use it to seek truth are “self-loathing.” If you doubt the government’s account you are antisemitic. Barnhardt then provides her readers with a lesson in physics, structural architecture and engineering, and the behavior of steel under heat and stress that is the most absolute nonsense imaginable.
Now we come to Alex Cockburn. He is certainly not stupid. I know him. He is pleasant company. He provides interesting intellectual conversation. I like him. Yet, he also arrogantly dismisses highly qualified experts who provide evidence contrary to the official government story of 9/11. Alex avoids evidence presented by credentialed experts and relies on parody. He writes that the conspiracists claim that the twin towers “pancaked because Dick Cheney’s agents – scores of them – methodically planted demolition charges.” Little doubt but there are bloggers somewhere in the vast Internet world who say this. But this is not what the professionals are saying who have provided evidence that the official account is not correct. The experts are simply saying that the evidence does not support the official explanation. More recently, an international team of scientists has reported finding unequivocal evidence of incendiaries and explosives. They have not said anything about who planted them. Indeed, they have said that other scientists should test their conclusions by repeating the research. After calling experts “conspiracy kooks,” Alex then damns them for not putting forward “a scenario of the alleged conspiracy.” Moreover, not a single one of the experts believes the towers “pancaked.” This was an early explanation that, I believe, was tentatively put forward by NIST, but it had to be abandoned because of the speed with which the buildings came down and due to other problems. Unlike Rall and Barnhardt, Alex does refer to evidence, but it is second or third-hand hearsay evidence that is nonsensical on its face. For example, Alex writes that Chuck Spinney “tells me that ‘there ARE pictures taken of the 757 plane hitting Pentagon – they were taken by the surveillance cameras at Pentagon’s heliport, which was right next to impact point. I have seen them both – stills and moving pictures. I just missed seeing it personally, but the driver of the van I just got out of in South Parking saw it so closely that he could see the terrified faces of passengers in windows.’” If there were pictures or videos of an airliner hitting the Pentagon, they would have been released years ago. They would have been supplied to the 9/11 Commission. Why would the government refuse for 10 years to release pictures that prove its case? The FBI confiscated all film from all surveillance cameras. No one has seen them, much less a Pentagon critic such as Spinney. I have to say that the van driver must have better eyes than an eagle if he could see expressions on passenger faces through those small airliner portholes in a plane traveling around 500 mph. Try it sometimes. Sit on your front steps and try to discern the expressions of automobile passengers through much larger and clearer windows traveling down your street in a vehicle moving 30 mph. Then kick the speed up 16.7 times to 500 mph and report if you see anything but a blur. Alex’s other evidence that 9/11 truthers are kooks is a letter that Herman Soifer, who claims to be a retired structural engineer, wrote to him summarizing “the collapse of Buildings 1 and 2 succinctly.” This is what Soifer, who “had followed the plans and engineering of the Towers during construction” wrote to Alex: “The towers were basically tubes, essentially hollow.” This canard was disposed of years ago. If Alex had merely googled the plans of the buildings, he would have discovered that there were no thin-walled hollow tubes, but a very large number of massively thick steel beams. Alex’s willingness to dismiss as kooks numerous acknowledged experts on the basis of a claim that a van driver saw terrified faces of passengers moving at 500 mph and a totally erroneous description in a letter from a person who knew nothing whatsoever about the structural integrity of the buildings means that he is a much braver person than I. Before I call architects kooks whose careers were spent building steel high rises, I would want to know a lot more about the subject than I do. Before I poke fun at nano-chemists and physicists, I would want to at least be able to read their papers and find the scientific flaws in their arguments. Yet, none of the people who ridicule 9/11 skeptics are capable of this. How, for example, can Rall, Barnhardt, or Cockburn pass judgment on a nano-chemist with 40 years of experience and 60 scientific publications to his credit? They cannot, but nevertheless do. They don’t hesitate to pass judgment on issues about which they have no knowledge or understanding. This is an interesting psychological phenomenon worthy of study and analysis. Another interesting phenomenon is the strong emotional reactions that many have to 9/11, an event about which they have little information. Even the lead members of the 9/11 Commission itself have said that information was withheld from them and the commission was set up to fail. People who rush to the defense of NIST do not even know what they are defending as NIST refuses to release the details of the simulation upon which NIST bases its conclusion. There is no 9/11 debate. On the one hand there are credentialed experts who demonstrate problems in the official account, and on the other hand there are non-experts who denounce the experts as conspiracy kooks. The experts are cautious and careful about what they say, and their detractors have thrown caution and care to the wind. That is the state of the debate. 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Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 01:19 AM | # Thanks for posting the PCR. I’ll add one more to his list: “When even three-named WASPs are questioning the officials lies, you can bet your life there’s something wrong.” 196
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 01:30 AM | # Tabula Raza posts an excellent Paul Craig Roberts article.
In my original comment regarding closeted homosexuals, I was certainly not referring to any specific people, but in my mind the analogy works for many Americans in general after 911. The Roberts line above, to me, is a clear “tell” and it doesn’t take much reading between the lines to get what he’s saying. When Condi Rice was in power, the newspapers would write about her being a lesbian, without saying it directly. They said she had a mortgage and lived with her life long woman friend. You’re supposed to be clever enough to get it, and clever enough to refer to it indirectly instead of directly. The ENTIRE elite media has been talking about 911 in this same manner since at least 2005. The fact are really, really clear, and the official conspiracy theory is not very much more than superstition, or pretending that Condi Rice is really into guys. Everyone knows 911 was an “inside job” and everyone knows the Jews were involved. Just like everyone knows that ghetto Negroes are violent and have low IQs. The point is you’re not allowed to say it. It’s time to come out of the closet. Now, Hunter Wallace is right that he’s better off in the closet, as an atheist, and he should use the 911 lie to get votes for Rick Perry in the next election, hoping he might mention the Negro flash mobs to the nice Republican church ladies. I certainly won’t interfere with his efforts, but really, who cares? That’s not going to help white Americans. MacDonald is the only writer in this non-movement that’s great, and he says the main priority should be simply telling the truth about the situation, in public, so current and future white people can get an accurate description of what’s going on. There is this idea that discussing controversial issues on blogs is going to somehow “ruin” it for the on the ground activists trying to infiltrate the Tea Party and the like. This is wrong, a completely mistaken notion. In America at least, the only two political things to do are oppose immigration and start openly telling the ugly truth. The Neal Armstrong generation is not the future of white people and they aren’t reading blogs in the nursing home either, so we aren’t going to scare them if we start telling the truth to ourselves. 197
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 01:54 AM | # It’s telling that Hunter Wallace consistently brings up Cass Sunstein as if he was a “conspiracy theory” or that his public statements and papers were somehow “fringe” even after he was hired by the Obama administration. Here’s Cass Sunstein introducing Wikileaks to America, in the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/23/AR2007022301596.html His paper about “cognitively infiltrating” online discussion forums is not a “conspiracy theory” it’s a published paper. Why would the same people who insist on pretending about the 911 lies ALSO insist on pretending the Cass Sunstein is a “conspiracy theory?” Again, it’s a real question of credibility. Who do they think they are fooling? Who exactly is their audience supposed to be? Why would they post on forums like MR that openly discusses issues like 911? 198
Posted by John on September 14, 2011, 04:29 AM | # Alex Linder: “If you count on the planes alone, from the POV of the perp, you won’t kill enough to precipitate a war; only guaranteeing the towers will come down will result in the massive death toll that will guarantee some nation’s heads will have to roll in revenge.” Imo, there were far greater reasons for demolishing the towers (remember that Bldg 7 was entirely evacuated when it was brought down): evidence destruction and psyop spectacle. 199
Posted by John on September 14, 2011, 04:33 AM | # Hunter Wallace: “Greg has a point for once ... surely, ideas like “Jews Did Norway” and “Jews Did 9/11” and “Jews Did The Civil War” warrant a special place of honor in the WN Hall of Fame of crackpot ideas. Jews assassinated Lincoln? You heard that one too.” You might want to make some room in that special place for, “two Jews were caught red-handed on October 10, 2001 in the Mexican Parliament with plastic explosives, detonating caps and Pakistani passports”. 200
Posted by MOB on September 14, 2011, 06:39 AM | # Alex: If we could whittle the 50% of you that’s a crazy jealous troublemaker away from the 50% that’s a shrewdly insightful analyst, why, we’d really have something. MOB: I’m laughing. Surely you’re aware of the legions who make the same complaint about Alex Linder, albeit “crazy” and “jealous” are pejoratives reserved for females, whereas their male equivalents are more robust. Alex: Try enjoying people who think they’re better than you rather than getting all snerky and resenting them. It’s more effective. You’ll be much happier and the world will be much less irritating. CMS is just a bunch of elderly conservatives, not some secret conspiratorial group of snobbists. Let the oldsters play with their Play-Doh, don’t get angry about it. MOB: I’ve never heard the word “snerky” before, but from the context, I fear it’s unflattering. I think it’s obvious that you, Alex, would be happier and your world would be much less irritating if you would just try enjoying people who think they’re better than you incredibly are. . . but wait!! There is nobody better than you; no one knows that better than you and others may pretend, but they can’t possibly think otherwise—not really!!! Alas, your happiness must come from a more elusive source. Here’s the thing, and I don’t want to seem prissily defensive, but why is it that, given the fact that you and I have fairly identical opinions of the people in question and have expressed this in our own ways for more than a decade—why is it that I’m jealous, “snerky” and unduly angry (thank you for not including “hysterical”), but you’re a legend in your own time, a piercing blade fighting not only the enemy—that would be child’s play compared to the forces of ignorance, cowardice and wrong-headedness rampant inside the gates. I’ll make an honest effort to be less crazy, less jealous and more happy, but I draw the line at having to change my long-held view of CMS as a secret salon for a conspiratorial group of snobbists to that of a rest home for elderly conservatives. I’m old, but not quite “dotty” enough to do that. : ) 201
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 08:33 AM | # @ MOB
That’s what she said!! 202
Posted by Dasein on September 14, 2011, 08:36 AM | #
I don’t think it’s as clear-cut as you suggest. Here‘s what the WTC lead structural engineer had to say about the design:
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More here If it’s not obviously a CD to the person who engineered the buildings, I think it’s silly for someone without a background in structural engineering to say it is. That doesn’t mean you won’t convince many people that it is, but some of us will remain skeptical. 203
Posted by Dasein on September 14, 2011, 08:55 AM | #
JR, Sorry, I don’t find Jones’ work convincing. And didn’t you say he’s controlled opposition somehwere above? As regards Greening, he is persona non grata at 911blogger and JREF, which I consider the 2 extremes of the debate. I think he’s evaluating the evidence without bias. He’s skeptical of the NIST report and Jones’ red chips. The microspheres could be from fly ash, and the red chips could be something as simple as primer paint. How those chips were involved in a controlled demolition is not clear. In the end, I don’t think there will be enough evidence for either side to convince the other. Given that I think there was foreknowledge of the attacks, I certainly believe the collapse of the towers might involve 3rd parties. But, as I said before, I’m agnostic about the cause of collapse. 204
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 08:59 AM | #
Organizing atheists is, as a commenter on NPR put it, “like herding cats.”
Yep. But no, instead, let’s drag people by the hair through the byzantine mechanics of building demolition and demonize those who resist as puppets pulled by Big Jew! lolzolzolzolzozlzolzolllozlzlzozlzzolololz 205
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 09:05 AM | #
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Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 09:15 AM | #
And you liars, defending the unofficial conspiracy theory, are trying to demonize those who oppose you. What is your motivation for doing it? Oh yes. You’re twats. Oops, that’s gendered language. “GW would like it to stop.” lolzolozlolzolzolzozzzololzz 207
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2011, 09:21 AM | # @Dasein It’s isn’t fair that you continue to sideline the irrefutable evidence for highly engineered thermite in WTC dust. I don’t care if you don’t find the Harrit et. al. publication convincing. The only thing that matters is whether you have an argument to cast doubt on the publication, which you don’t. They’ve already addressed fly ash and primer paint. I didn’t say Jones is controlled opposition. I said he’s a weakling. Don’t tell me that we should agree to disagree as this is only possible for an equivocal scenario. You’ve also ignored the video that predates 9/11, where one of the architects clearly states that the buildings were designed to withstand multiple jetliner impacts. Regarding the person you quoted, “...almost everyone above the impact floors perished, either from the impact and fire or from the subsequent collapse…”... take a look at this picture: http://erichufschmid.net/pdf/Painful_Questions_chapter_4.pdf You can see a human standing just above where the plane hit and other humans around the entry point. They weren’t there when the plane hit; they moved there [what does this tell you about the heat in the region through which they moved?]. There’s simply no way you’re an agnostic in this matter. You’re trying to maintain the official story in a more subtle manner. 208
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2011, 09:26 AM | # @911 litmus test Regarding exclusively pointing to the Jewish outsiders instead of pointing to their White collaborators, take away the Jews and 9/11 wouldn’t have happened. Jews rule by proxy. Some of these proxies care about wealth, fame and [what they think is] power. If these proxies assist, are they significant? Hardly because they would very well have assisted in preventing 9/11 if they could achieve wealth, fame or power in the process. You’ve noticed that I haven’t really bothered with Bush and Cheney. Both had to know that some of the carnage that transpired was going to happen. But as you can see in Prof. Wedel’s work, regimes come and go, from Nixon to Bush Jr., but Wolfowitz-Feith-Perle remain in key positions involving defense and foreign policy. Delve into the details… we have a Jewish agenda being served by a body that isn’t exclusively Jewish and has members in flux, but the ones pulling the strings are overwhelmingly Jewish. I don’t believe that it’s a factual and tactical mistake to label 9/11 an outside job. The inside job chorus comes from the Jewish-led and Jewish-funded attempt to control dissent that constitutes the bulk of the 9/11 Truth movement. We know that the 9/11 masterminds are Israeli nationals, dual citizens whose loyalties lie with Israel, and citizens who remain outsiders, acting against the host population, like they have throughout most of their history. They needed inside access, but this’s insufficient to make it an inside job. @Linder It’s amazing that you’ve summarized my argument in terms of me believing that Breivik “spent his life to go after some college adults thinking about boycotting Israel.” I’ve clearly stated that it was an Israeli/Jew job in my estimation. 209
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2011, 09:35 AM | # @Parrott
You think I’m merely accusing Jews of crimes? That I’ve no evidence to back it up? I had nothing against Jews before I learned the truth about the holy of the holies and 9/11 and then looked up what others gifts they’ve bestowed upon humanity. I’m sharing some of the evidence. You do a piss-poor job at countering it. You can’t be bothered to cite any evidence implicating the 19 Arabs and go on a rant against those who don’t buy it! And how do you plan to acquire the power to cruise to victory? By defending the holy of the holies, by saying Arabs did 9/11, by ignoring the basis for Jewish power, which is their control of the money supply,... ? [I don’t believe I need to comment on this] It’s also rather interesting that you’ve tried to bail out by describing your hit piece on the incredible conspiracy cranks in terms of the topic being the birthers. Again, nice choice of words. But considering that the long-form birth certificate’s been unambiguously proven a forgery, I’m wondering if you intend to issue a retraction or will you continue to maintain your position? As I previously informed you, you can obtain a hex or text editor, for free, and verify to your satisfaction that the pdf of the scan comprises of 9 images, one of which is in 8-bit color and 8 of which are binary (1-bit monochrome; black+white), an outcome that’s impossible with extant scanning technology. You could ignore all other evidence of forgery, but this is the smoking gun. Details here: http://www.majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/obama_osama_drama/ Now do you intend to issue a retraction? 210
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2011, 09:41 AM | # @chechar Do you believe that you score anti-Jew and nationalist points by criticizing Jews, praising Linder who calls for the extermination of Jews, and fantasizing of Turner Diaries-like genocides of non-whites… and hence could not possibly be a Jew? Far from it, these things show that you’re a Jew. Exterminationist fantasies come most naturally to the exterminationists par excellence, the Jews. Then, as you very well know, barking dogs don’t bite, and I don’t see you praising the dogs that bite but hardly bark (John de Nugent, Eric Hufschmid), but you’re all praise for a dog that barks but doesn’t bite (Linder). And again, there’s a curious pattern to your criticism of Jews, which neither you nor anyone who’s addressed you has bothered to explain, which is the heebie jeebies you get when Jews are accused of the most serious crimes. You’ve indicated that if I offend you further then you’ll stop commenting at MR, and I’ve noted that you’ve already removed MR from your blogroll. Be my guest. I won’t miss your comments or your endorsement. Since you apparently have some sort of background in psychiatry, you know that my response isn’t indicative of paranoia. I don’t care whether you comment here or not or whether you endorse MR. I’ve also no problems with linking to popular mechanics, Skeptic magazine, etc. on the debunking 9/11 conspiracies topic, which you’ve noticed I’ve done in the 9/11 compilation because I’m confident that a critical reader who weighs the evidence will come to the same conclusions as me. In contrast, I see you complain a lot about the 9/11 conspiracies going around, and have reasons to believe that you haven’t encountered very many 9/11 conspiracies that offend you more than what I’ve posted. Perhaps you’ll prove yourself to be equally non-paranoid by making an example of the inanity of the conspiracists by referring your readers to my piece ( http://www.majorityrights.com/911.who ) alongside the popular mechanics and Skeptic magazine sources you so prominently advertise, everytime you discuss 9/11. 211
Posted by Leon Haller on September 14, 2011, 09:56 AM | # Jimmy, No offense intended, pal. You asked me re participation in a NSM led street protest on illegal immigration. That would not be good for me and the new career I’m working towards, one which already involves considerable financial losses (in outlays and lost income, both now and over the decades). I’m not opposed to meeting sometime in person, either when I’m home, or if I should ever make it to Portland, where I do have a college friend (he’s very liberal, so we discuss philosophy and law, not politics). Graham, You ask questions far too large to be answered on a ‘truther’ thread. I have offered my opinions on this at other times (GW: please don’t delete any threads for a while; I’d like to go back and copy some of my old comments, maybe going back as far as the past couple of years). I was raised Catholic. I was always a kind of ‘intuitional’ theist, though with a considerable degree of agnosticism mixed in. I tend towards a scientific outlook. I am scornful of anything “New Age”. I am not remotely superstitious, and lead a very outwardly secular lifestyle, which is perhaps why I feel comfortable with WN. I now incline towards accepting the truth of generic Christianity (perhaps 60-40% pro). Am I a real Catholic? No, or, I don’t know. I haven’t studied enough theology or apologetics to know exactly what I believe on religious matters, beyond the basics, which I accept (God, the historicity of Christ’s physical resurrection, the soul’s immortality and judgment). A knowledgeable Catholic friend thinks I’m really more of a Protestant by nature, and that may be where my ‘heart’ ends up (or not - there are aspects of both faith traditions I find ridiculous). I’ll know in a few years. I’ve chosen to study Catholicism mainly because of the importance it places on philosophy as an additional mode of knowing, this in opposition to the Protestants’ over-emphasis on the Word, which I find boring. Also, many conservative intellectuals have converted from atheism or Protestantism to Catholicism, whereas few have left the Catholic Church for other Christian denominations (there must be more than to coincidence to this). Given my bedrock belief that we (at least people like you, GW, and me; I’m not at all sure about Alex Linder, Greg Johnson, and many others) are not wicked men (from a Christian standpoint), I’d like to demonstrate that, philosophically and theologically. I happen honestly to believe that doing so in a competent manner would also be of great usefulness to furthering White and Western survival. Perhaps that’s my familial or even American identity clouding my perspective, but that is how I view matters. As for your broader question : Given the universalistic claims of Christianity – one radical example being Karl Rahner’s doctrine of ‘Anonymous Christianity’ – why, other than for tactical/PR purposes, do you wish to link this religion to particularistic (i.e. ethnocentric) politics? (GL) you are putting the cart before the horse. I am pro-White for many reasons (some noble - innocent, good white persons are victimized by multiculti; others not - I really dislike most aspects of negrodom, and want my race to fight back against the savages, not only as a matter of morality, but also pride). But for me the question is whether EGI politics is itself immoral, as so many across the ideological spectrum contend, not whether Christianity is good for EGI. My inclination is towards WN, but first I want to ensure that WN is not (necessarily) unchristian. Beyond that, however, I do think a traditionalist conservative politics, one which combines race realism with Christian metaphysics and ethnocultural concerns, is far more likely to succeed than some revolutionary politics cut from wholly new metaphysical cloth. Why I think that I don’t have time right now to get into (I have discussed these matters in the past - I need to go searching through back threads gathering old comments of mine). Oh, as for the soul, I can no more explain the mechanism by which it interacts with the body than you can explain how consciousness arises from material substances. But yes I do believe there exists something which corresponds to what is commonly called ‘soul’. 212
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2011, 10:01 AM | # @Captainchaos You’ve presented a false dissociation or antagonism between [white] racial welfare and curatorship of Jewish conspiracies. Since Jewry’s the foremost enemy of the white man, exceeding other groups by an order or two of magnitude, the two concerns are strongly positively correlated. It’s false that Non-Whites and White liberals laud the World Wars and the plight of the Palestinians. Jews wouldn’t have to go around bombing and shooting Norwegians if there weren’t too many liberal Norwegians sympathizing with the Palestinians. Concerning the murder, mayhem, starvation and destitution that non-whites may visit upon whites, you’ll have the Jews to thank should this come to pass as the whites on their own would never have taken non-whites in in substantial numbers nor antagonized them with wars that whites have no interest in (the recent Iraq and Libya carnage for instance). You’ve falsely accused me of a hoped-for global pogrom against the Jews as I have no such desire, and if it looked like a pogrom is nigh, I’d make a strong argument against it because I don’t want their blood on my hands (money changers and other major criminals excepted). My interest is in neutering the Jews by taking away their control of the money supply. Whereas I’ve fantasized, and talked, about the expulsion of Jews, I’m not exactly gung-ho about even this outcome as with their money power gone the Jews could continue to live among us without causing much trouble. There are too few of them to cause much trouble as long as their money power’s gone for good. 213
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 10:02 AM | #
Ah. Here we have the secret of J Richards’ attachment to the idea: it was his gateway into Jew Crit. I’ll say this for him — apart from the paranoia, he doesn’t descend to cheap ad hominem. No name-calling, no huff-n-puff. I like that. 214
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 10:08 AM | #
All that proves is they dragged some 90-year-old off his deathbed to repeat the government lie. Hell, you don’t even need a plane strike to knock down these buildings, as #7 showed. They just miraculously explode and fall down at freefall speed, all due to terrorists. 215
Posted by J Richards on September 14, 2011, 10:13 AM | # Some observations about the criticism In order to make my case that Jews did 9/11, I believe I’ve the burden to name some of the Jews involved and show that they were in the right positions to execute 9/11. I may have completely failed in the task, but at least I attempted it. On the other hand, it’s interesting that the critics couldn’t be bothered with documenting any evidence for 19 Arabs orchestrating the attacks. Remarkably, even after being pointed out, they couldn’t be bothered to even comment on the absence of video surveillance placing these Arabs and the rest of the passengers at the airports, or on the 7 hijackers who were found alive, or on Atta’s magical suitcase, or on the fire- and damage-proof paper documents and passport found in the wreckage. The critics pile ridicule, sneer, ad hominem, false motives, and in rare cases cite counter evidence concerning how it was done, but don’t bother addressing the 19 Arabs. Haller finds it pertinent to enrich a discussion on 9/11 with the results of a poll on the acceptance of interracial marriage. Hunter Wallace thinks the discussions’s better enriched by a discussion regarding the Federal Reserve and the Civil rights Movement. At first I was going to write that I regret not mandating minimum standards for discussion. For instance, why should I have to spend a few days compiling the evidence when Haller can come along and post a lengthy article by Trifkovic on the lessons not learned from 9/11, feeling no need, whatsoever, to make a case for the very assumption on which the entire thesis is based, namely that 19 Arabs did it? But the critics’ comments speak for themselves and they wouldn’t have spoken so well if I had forced standards. 216
Posted by Dasein on September 14, 2011, 10:15 AM | #
People who know more about this than me, like Greening, don’t agree that the evidence is conclusive. That is my opinion, having read Jones’ critics.
That it wasn’t hot there at that time? Do you think this means there were no fires elsewhere in the building between the time of impact and collapse?
My point is that the official story is not as obviously wrong or self-evidently absurd as people suggest. 217
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 10:20 AM | #
Who cares about your opinion? You’re a liar spreading garbage for a private agenda. The only person involved was Breivik. Or are you pretending he didn’t bomb and shoot people, and isn’t now in jail by himself? You write 100 pages and come up with precisely zero evidence of Mossad involvement. All you have is your own reasoning backward from some agenda you alone think the attack serves. That’s only evidence to you; to the rest of us it’s only evidence you’re a clown. No white man like Breivik is going to go along with a plan to kill some college kids because they want to boycott Israel. Taking out Norwegians who want to boycott Israel does little good because it’s a majority view, or at least a large-minority view. Hence, killing people will not make it go away, and might intensify it. But flooding Norway with muds is a minority view, hence killing the next generation of the ruling-party minority inflicting that race replacement on the country gives the killer a lot more bang for the buck. The chance is very good that at least one of the adults assassinated by Breivik would have gone on to become a Norwegian Bill Clinton. 218
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 10:32 AM | #
That’s because the only thing atheists have in common is not believing in a single spurious claim. Atheism is not a belief, a system, or anything other than a rejection of one specific claim. So there’s no reason to think atheists would agree on anything beyond that claim. ‘Atheism’ is the only example I can think of where there’s a specific word required to characterize those who don’t believe something that hasn’t been proved. There’s no word for those who don’t believe Santa Claus or the Loch Ness Monster. There’s no logical reason there should be a word for people who don’t believe in god. 219
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 11:13 AM | # Notice how there is always some faction that attacks technical, factual discussions about these official stories, like 9/11, the Breivik attacks, Obama’s birth certificate, and dozens of others? There is this very weird bias among some people that technical discussions are out of hand, “conspiracy theories” and the like. These people tend to voluntarily police the official line, and try to push out or shout down anyone calling “bs” on the “official word.” We have a poster here that claims to believe in a resurrection of a human being, that a person who was dead literally got up, walked out of his tomb, gave speeches, and then floated away, like a helium balloon, into the sky. Now for a story like this, people may just smile and nod politely, but if you were to discuss the very basic, obvious problems with this story, you’re likely to be branded a “heretic.” Isn’t it the same kind of thing when discussing race and racial difference? You’ll be branded a “racist” basically a modern version of heretic. Don’t buy the 911 story, make factual arguments against it? Truther. Don’t believe that corpses literally reanimate themselves and float into the sky? Heretic. Question why the President releases fake birth certificates? Birther. etc. etc. I’m guessing everyone reading and writing here is an adult man with an above room temperature IQ. WHY do you demand that everyone play along with your absolutely ridiculous, nonsensical, obviously RELIGIOUS beliefs about the world? One of the reasons white people are in the trouble we are in is because we are under attack COGNITIVELY. We know that Jews act collectively in their interests, they uses tactics like swarming, and they hold grudges for a long, long time. But when you point them out in the middle of what they are doing? “Jewish conspiracy theory” and likely they will say, what do you think Schlomo and I cooperated on this? We’re just two individual Jews doing the same thing, in a coordinated fashion, at random! What, do you think there is a conspiracy? We have otherwise intelligent people who actually take “Brother Nathaniel” - BORAT - at his word and consider him a valuable ally. Have you seen his get up, with his frizzy hair, the robes, and large crosses? Do you people really not get the joke? As mentioned earlier, you can often find more reasonable discussions of Jewish power, and a whole host of other issues, on mainstream liberal sites than in a lot of places in the WN ghetto. Why is the pro-white movement stuck between religious Christians and FOX-tard conservatives? 220
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 11:23 AM | #
We’re talking about you, not me. You damage yourself by interrupting very solid analysis with incredibly weak motive spotting that appears to be driven by personal demons. For example, you know darn good and well that CMS is not some secret group, as you tried to present it. You’re just being twattish and perhaps spiteful in acting like it was. That sort of thing is far more typical of female behavior than male, and so you should expect men to characterize it that way.
I invented it just because I knew it would make you suspicious and a little angry. So many things do. You come off like an angry minor Simpson character. Just stick to analysis, you have a fine mind, and leave your personality problems out of it.
Ojection, your honor: relevance. No one cares about me, we’re discussing you here. I just find it funny that someone so smart is so openly bitterly resentful about being excluded from this or that group/conversation/whatever. Jesus, who cares? And 9/10 you’re not even being excluded, it’s all in your head. It’s better not to worry about personal stuff and focus all energy on identifying the right strategy for Whites to achieve political sovereignty.
Why do you keep dragging me into discussions of you? That’s childish. That’s the snerkiness I’m talking about. What you did re CMS would have been fine if you had simply raised its existence and purpose as rational questions, rather than coming off all hurt that you were excluded from this super secret insider group. To me your motivations seem typically social-female, which is why I characterize them that way. I’m not against discussing or debating CMS. I’m 100% for debating how racialists should act in relation to conservatives - there’s hardly a more important debate we could have within the racialist sphere. I actually tend to agree with what I think would be your position if you’d degrease it of the whines and sniffery personal stuff.
Ok, Marge. Like I said, I respect you. You have basic integrity, just a veneer that—honestly, it doesn’t bother, the truth is I find your semi-feministy/female-social-whining more funny than anything, but then again it’s not about what amuses me but main purpose here, and that’s why I said what I see in you. Obviously you had some angrifying cauterizing things in your own life that made you hypersensitive to being excluded or snooted down to. Well, ok. But keep that under control and stay focused on the facts. You can do that. You can analyze better than most. You know just what to watch for, in a trained legal secretary sort of way. That’s all good and useful to our cause. Even on this thread, I’d be interested in your laying out in a form that admits of easy counter-reponse, what precisely is your idea of what CMS is - slash - your view of what’s wrong with it. All that was clear to me was a hazy sense that you felt excluded from something, or that it was trying to hide something. To me, CMS is known. Presumably they have some backers who don’t want their info on front street, per the nigspeak, does that not make sense? You can freely avail yourself of the Regnery family of websites and get a pretty good idea of their ideology by reading through a few pages. I see nothing more than a new attempt by intelligent, serious men to trod the old cowpath of failure that is respectable racial conservatism. In conclusion, I like you Marge. I liked the way you attacked me out of the bushes for no reason on the KM list. It made my days exciting, and kept my eyes a little wider, and head on a swivel. As I recall, you were usually blaming me for some horribly selfish act of self-promotion, like linking to my own essay on my own site. That’s the kind of eye-roll stuff that is your silly side, and that’s what I see coming out in the CMS discussion. So is it that you wish you were part of the CMS? Or that you think CMS should put everything on front street? Or something else? You lamented the end of semi-coordinated activisms across the nation, if I recall. I agree with you there. But I think that points to a deeper problem of not knowing who we are, or thinking it matters to figure it out. 221
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 11:34 AM | # A few hundred thousand people see these flash-mob videos, max, but every person in the US sees the takedown of the WTC. So we’re supposed to believe that discussing the jewish production values behind WTC-D pales in political utility beside the seen-it-100-million-times-before redundant videos of nigger violence? Some people need to screw their thinking caps a little tighter to their heads. 222
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 11:38 AM | #
It’s just exhaustion, and it’s exactly what the jews intended to induce by flooding the explanation market with brain-bewildering deluge of false, freaky and fudged info. The tendency, even among smarties like Johnson and others here, is to say, I wash my hands of it. That’s ok, but what they shouldn’t do is wash their hands of it WHILE drawing a jew-helpful false conclusion that there’s nothing to see here. And anyone but me who doesn’t ignore it and move on is not a serious man. No, no, no, no. There is something to see here. Serious men have gotten very close to the bottom of it, as the PCR article shows. 223
Posted by Silver on September 14, 2011, 11:49 AM | #
No way could the Titanic sink!
Actually, Steve Jones associate David Griffin argues that the buildings were brought “straight down” precisely in order to avoid a scenario with tens of thousands dead. “Second, the only reason to go to the trouble of bringing a building straight down is to avoid damaging nearby buildings. Had WTC 7 and the Twin Towers – which also came straight down, after initial explosions at the top that ejected sections of steel outward several hundred feet108 - instead toppled over sideways, they would have caused massive destruction in Lower Manhattan, destroying dozens of other buildings and killing tens of thousands of people. Does anyone believe that, even if al-Qaeda operatives had had the expertise to make the buildings come straight down, they would have had the courtesy?” (a href=“http://www.countercurrents.org/griffin260610.htm”>Did 9/11 Justify The War In Afghanistan?) If a few thousand dead were necessary for war to follow, why not a few thousand more to really seal the deal? Why would The White Man’s Greatest Living Enemy drop the ball on such an easy twofer (more dead whites, greater likelihood of war)?
Excellent. Now, if only you could up that mirror to yourself. (Alex Linder’s the avowed enemy of people like me, so why should I offer him any advice? Because I’m counting on him not taking it, precisely because it’s someone like me giving it. And that’s a good thing, because even your enemies can be useful to you. As the SPLC’s Mark Potok said, if Alex Linder didn’t exist the SPLC would have to invent him. So Alex has been quite useful in that respect. One problem, however, is he has become “too useful”—people with views considerably more moderate than the insane, unhinged racial radicalism Linder espouses (people like, umm, you know, me) get tarred with the same brush and have far too hard a time gaining consideration of what are really some extraordinarily reasonable and workable analyses and prescriptions simply because the associations between those views and “racist evil” are so strong in people’s minds.) As for the 911 “litmus test” fellow, he sounds like the poster “Veni, vidi, deci” and “See Something Say Something” that used to post at Hunter’s. Apparently he’s as convinced as ever that 911 trutherism is the solution to all that bedevils the white man. He isn’t aware, it seems, that most professional truthers—the ones that actually come up with truther material, rather than merely disseminate it—are of the anti-government left variety and would cringe at being associated with what you contend are the implications of their views. Whence the certitude that 911 is the key then? (I don’t think the specific claims of truthers merit much attention. At heart, they cone down to assertions that official accounts are completely belied by mere common sense—as though it were just that obvious that, no way, no how, could airliners hitting a building possibly bring it down. After all, who’s ever heard of an object collapsing after being struck by another object?) 224
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 11:55 AM | #
That’s a good jibe, and I expected it, but realize that if Dasein’s interview is accurate, one of the designers himself admits that the plane attacks did not bring the towers down. He blames the fires. So your Titanic example does not hold in the case of the WTC-D. 225
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 12:17 PM | #
What does that mean? I vaguely recall you’re a jew or half-jew, which equals jew. Beyond that, I know nothing about you other than having read your comments here. But I don’t come here all the time, so I’m not up on who exactly you are. It would be helpful if you clarified whether you are a jew or part-jew or jew sympathizer.
Again, ‘someone like me’ doesn’t mean anything to me, maybe it means something to the regulars here.
I’ve noticed that most things jew Potok says are anti-White. In fact, I’ve never come across anything he’s said that wasn’t anti-White. His characteriztion of me is right in line with the rest of his lies.
I’m insane? I’m unhinged? By no rational definition am I these things, but you have demonstrated yourself to be a liar and attempted character assassin. If you disagree with my political argument that jews should be exterminated as it is the only way to solve the threat they have presented to the White race for over 2,000 years then make that case directly rather than attempting to character-assassinate me. But of course, you can’t make a case.
You’re just a lump of respectable & responsible (r&r;) adjectives lumped under a masking fake name. Who are you? What do you stand for? If what you’re saying is so wonderful, reasonable and world-persuading, why do you fear to offer it under your real name? Why do you, if you’re up to good, attempt to character-assassinate your betters from a position of pseudonymous safety? Is that how White men do it? Or White men’s enemies? 226
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 12:37 PM | #
That’s a very good point. It appears to me that the silvermen who produced the event aimed to hit a window - enough to cause a war-clamor but not too many. BTW, it is obvious the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions, but what’s interesting and I can’t explain is why they appeared to explode up top. I’ve seen nothing conclusive on that point, but to me it’s obvious these were not just the usual demolitions but had some extra technical cherry on top. 227
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 12:41 PM | #
Yeah, man. Silver and the r&r;crew were just about to get somewhere really big and important when a single unhinged loony scotched their pending triumph. I don’t know, Mr. Silver, sounds like a pretty weak cause that can’t withstand even a lone loony arguing something remarkably different. 228
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 12:42 PM | #
There’s a spectrum ranging along - 19 Arabs did it Seems to me if the truth was the middle option then the people responsible would want to distract attention from it by promoting the alternatives in *both* directions including a David Icke style overstatement. (I’m not saying you’re doing that particularly, just that it’s happening.) Plus truthers are annoyingly religious about it. I’m not against them doing their thing though and if they manage to persuade a majority i’ll start to go along with it. Until then i’m using the official narrative - which has all their media power behind it - but then putting some topspin on it that Israel and Israel-First elements in the US administration facilitated the attack to provoke war with Israel’s enemies in the middle-east. 229
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 12:47 PM | #
Thinking about this, one reason might be that the more you murder, the greater might be the clamor for a real investigation. It might be harder to buy off and crush 10,000 victims’ families than 3,000. I would assume the jews would estimate the minimal amount needed to produce the result they sought, and that’s what we saw. Ask around among your relatives, Silver, and you’ll probably get a better answer than I can speculate. 230
Posted by Dasein on September 14, 2011, 12:54 PM | #
And of course we should take everything Mark Potok says at face value. I remember Potok, during his interview with Giles, saying that he would never enter into a live debate with Linder, as he wouldn’t want to indirectly bestow any credibility to him. Do you really believe that? Or is it more likely he’s scared of Linder? 231
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 14, 2011, 12:56 PM | #
How about “Holocaust Denier”? 232
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 12:58 PM | #
Going to try to raise fruitful questions, anyone with an idea, chip in. It seems to me that if you believe Arabs did it, and jews merely knew about it, you have to believe the towers were brought down by the planes alone. Or, let me put it differently: Is there anyone reading here who believes that Muslims did this AND it was done by controlled demolition? My guess is that the two beliefs track 100%: muslims-did-it and they did it by-planes-alone. Does anyone disagree that if the buildings were NOT taken down by planes, but by some other means, like demolitions, then it is basically ridiculous to think any party but jews prepped and produced same? 233
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 01:02 PM | # So here’s Wandrin “Batman did it with bat-thermite “ AE911Truth is mainstream, the thermite theory is not “batman” or any such characterization. The demolition theory is the one they always attack, because it’s the truth. That’s the one they want to discredit, because it’s being studied by actual scientists. Saying the neo-cons did it with the help of Arabs is basically where the liberals were 10 years ago, and it’s just a conspiracy theory (probably correct). But the *evidence* of demolition being published by credential scientists is not a “conspiracy theory” - it’s evidence. And it’s evidence that Jews, half Jews, and the “anti-jihad” crowd desperately don’t want people to talk about. Again, the average intelligent adult who has seen buildings demolished in the past will watch the videos of WTC7 and the first, obviously, prima facie case is demolition. That’s why this is like a *religious* thing, it’s a “big lie” and it’s how the kikenvermin have been steam-rolling over us for a generation. Notice this is a CURRENT issue, the evidence is being published TODAY, the story of WTC7 has finally been getting airtime now, not ten years ago, now. The truth is being revealed NOW, finally. But lots of people supposedly on our side and desperately spinning trying to get people to look away from what is being revealed NOW. What are their motives? 234
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 01:03 PM | #
Sure, that works. And in that case the word is a deliberate propaganda construction. Atheist might not have begun so, but it functions the same way today: a way for pew-goobers to tie a mass of unrelated people into a burlap bag they can beat with sticks. So let’s say only where there’s an obvious political motive does a term for non-believers in some specific proposition come into existence. 235
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 01:09 PM | # What this whole debate shows is that even the most skeptical of people, among whom intellectual WN surely number, are afraid to trust their own eyes. Just look at these pics on this link poster posted and listen to your gut feeling. It’s no more complicated than that, or it doesn’t have to be. The rest is mere proof of what your senses tell you immediately. 236
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 01:38 PM | #
That’s funny. To me, it’s you guys who come off like religious fanatics. Moral viciousness in need of a man-behind-the-curtain: that’s all I’ve ever gotten from “truthers”. Have you ever seen christlings hunt for design around hydrothermal vents and in human gonads? I must admit they come up with some compelling semantics for defenders of utter lunacy. I don’t think any of you is a lunatic, but compelling proofs for almost anything can be drawn up. Courtney killed Kurt. Hitler was trying to build a nuclear bomb. Jews “did” 9/11. I can’t read another “debunking”. I know that thirty seconds with everyone’s pal Google would yield a debunking of a debunking of a debunking of a debunking, with ever more photos and earnest pointing and appeals to “common sense” and “using your eyes”. A proddy missionary once did the same to me while pointing at some spearchuckers we met in the Brazilian backlands who strung halved gourds over their genitals as proof of the Cosmic Bricoleur. “Foreknowledge, not agency.” And speaking of foreknowledge, psychologically speaking, Alex and Richards differ in this wise: while Alex accepts criticism of the “official story” to conform to a pre-established mental pattern of finding Jews culpable for misdeeds, Richards broke into such fault-finding via 9/11 criticism. In other words for one it’s a matter of evidence conforming to his worldview while for the other such evidence is his worldview, hence the exhaustive (and exhausting) treatment. 237
Posted by Thorn on September 14, 2011, 01:42 PM | # Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 – and Former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee – Calls for a New 9/11 Investigation Posted on September 13, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog The Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, previously stated that an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here). Today, Graham called for a new 9/11 investigation. As Raw Story notes: read more>> 238
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 02:04 PM | #
I’m sorry you don’t have any common sense. That’s an unfortunate debility that I’m sure makes daily life difficult. 239
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 02:10 PM | # No, no, little budgers. These gigantic supersteel buildings built to withstand all the weathery wrath god could muster and all the gorilla climbings and plane smashings human mind could conceive all just had a bad air day and decided to fall to pieces and go lay down in a smoldering tear-stained wreck. 240
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 02:12 PM | #
Go back to your fuckin’ tard corral. 241
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 14, 2011, 02:18 PM | # Turgidson: Mr. President, I’m beginning to smell a big fat commie rat. I mean, supposing ****** is lying. . . Here we have deliberate lying. Why? It seems some matters cannot be discussed in “polite” company. I notice that these matters turn out to be most damaging to jews- the paper money mafia, 911, holohoax, starting the major wars, being behind the communist slaughter, and so on. The stuff they don’t want discussed is PRECISELY what should be discussed. There is an attempt to make 911 look less clear-cut than it is. I’ve thought it quite clear-cut for five years. If only two buildings went down, then the analysis may be tricky. Building 7 is the royal road to knowledge. The A-rabs and the planes can be IGNORED by focusing on WTC7. The strength of buildings re aircraft hits can be ignored. The burning temperature of jet fuel can be ignored. The melt temperature of steel can be ignored. “(Jewish) Foreknowledge of the Arabs” becomes absurd as no planes were involved in 7. Major obfuscation is involved by trying to focus on buildings 1 & 2. EVERY DEBATE MUST BE STEERED TOWARD BUILDING 7 WHICH WAS NOT HIT BY AN AIRCRAFT. Planes- ragheads- DO NOT APPLY TO WTC 7. DO NOT LET THE DISCUSSION BE DIVERTED. 242
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 02:23 PM | #
There’s a crude abrupt imperiousness creeping into your tone, Herr uh. Tired of me? Very well, I shall retreat for now. Maybe you-all, the clear ones and the clogged ones, can come up with something tasty and bitesome before I return later tonight. 243
Posted by Lee John Barnes on September 14, 2011, 02:26 PM | # Never in the history of nationalism have so many Jew obsessed retards trolled one thread on one article. You wanna know 911 - here it is ; 1) Osama Bin Laden was a long term CIA asset working for CIA until the day of 911 ( Sibel Edmonds FBI confirms this ) 2) Al Qaeda was run by Osama Bin Laden but acts as a proxy for the CIA - as it was during the cold war and even up to 911 as in China where it was used to deploy Islamist separatists to attack Chinese state ( Sibel Edmonds again) 3) The 911 hijackers thought they were undertaking the Jihad for Osama - when in fact they were following a CIA planned agenda via Osama. 4) 911 could have been stopped but wasnt - why ? - Project for a New American Century required it. 5) The US govt and Israel all knew 911 was coming and allowed it to happen. 6) Once the hijacked planes were airborne they were taken over via their onboard military installed flight controllers in the planes and flown remotely to their attack targets. Hence why the reports of other unknown planes at the time of the attacks that were directly controlling the planes and why the idiot pilots performed manouveres that even experienced pilots said they could not perform. 7) Explosives fitted in the WTC buildings finished the job of destroying the evidence - hence the thermite in the rubble - all the hijackers died, fake passports dropped in the streets of NYC to pin the blame on the terrorists = Job done. 8) Kill Osama 9) Kill seal team 6 that killed Osama = all the leaks sealed.
This was a Neo-Con inspired and controlled plot by Rumsfeld / Cheney and others in the CIA and military in accord with Neo-con Noble Lie and the Great Sacrifice for the Greater Good of Leo Strauss of the Neo-Con philosophy. Drop the jew crap. Its nonsense. 244
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 02:30 PM | # A. Linder
No, i don’t care either way. I’m looking at it from the direction of path of least resistance. If someone believes it was Arabs and planes all i have to do is *add* some topspin to the official narrative which conveniently fits very neatly with cui bono. The other option requires getting people to *replace* large chunks of the official narrative. If truthers manage to persuade the majority of their narrative i’ll use that instead. I still won’t care either way. 245
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 02:48 PM | # LJB
Erm… Anyway i think we’re maybe 2-3 years from the Jew nonsense going mainstream. However i agree talking about it explicitly, except on sites like this, is likely to slow that process down. Let it happen naturally with just a few nudges. .
Not yet and not among the people i’m working with. If it does become mainstream in my little corner of the world then i’ll use it. 246
Posted by Dasein on September 14, 2011, 03:18 PM | # Lee, You realise that Leo Strauss is not German, right? 247
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 14, 2011, 03:26 PM | # @Leon Fair enough, there is a lot of ‘material’ floating around the thread, so that’s why I thought you might like to collect some of your thoughts on the topic and perhaps post an article sometime? I am sure we all might like a change of theme/topic soon. And whatever one thinks of 9/11, the notion that it represents some ‘keystone’ that could destroy the structural features of hyper-liberalism (that are so corrosive in the Western world) and bring the MultiCult crumbling down all in one fell swoop, seems rather over-optimistic to say the least. 248
Posted by Mill on September 14, 2011, 03:40 PM | # There is evidence of insider trading and money transfers before the event indicating foreknowledge. The evidence comprises both econometric studies by different economists that analyzed trading patterns before the event, and analysis by a German computer data recovery firm of hard disks recovered from the debris that indicate major money transfers right before the event. 249
Posted by Lee John Barnes on September 14, 2011, 03:49 PM | # 1) strauss was Jewish but he was dead long before 911. 2) Israel knew 911 was coming, but they did not organise it - that was the Islamist hijackers who did 911 and the white christian ne-cons in the US govt allowed it to happen 250
Posted by Mill on September 14, 2011, 04:33 PM | # The Project for a New American Century was heavily Jewish. Neocons, especially those that are consciously neocons, generally are Jewish, and those that were in the Bush administration were largely Jewish. http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
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Posted by Lee John Barnes on September 14, 2011, 04:57 PM | # Was George Bush Jewish ? Donald Rumsfeld ? Dick Cheney ? Tony Blair ? Osama Bin Laden? The 19 hijackers on 911 ?
No. 252
Posted by MOB on September 14, 2011, 05:03 PM | # Alex: We’re talking about you, not me. You damage yourself by interrupting very solid analysis with incredibly weak motive spotting that appears to be driven by personal demons. MOB: You were talking about me. I was talking about you. Alex:
I invented it just because I knew it would make you suspicious and a little angry. So many things do. You come off like an angry minor Simpson character. MOB: Nice try. “Snarky” is a commonly-used expression; it’s meaning is the same, I’m sure, as that of the word you “invented.” “Snerky” is actually not as harsh as “snarky.” You’re a soft one. I took “snerky” to be a typo; I was teasing. I forgot the rule: never tease something that bites. : ( I don’t think your solid analysis had begun yet when I submitted my comment - you’d barely taken your coat off. One person’s solid analysis is another person’s beating a dead horse, it’s true, but since the thread was specifically about 911 (I mean, WTC), I’m sure I didn’t submit an entirely unrelated comment, unless in response to unrelated discussion that you were, perhaps, not taking notice of. Alex: Objection, your honor: relevance. No one cares about me, we’re discussing you here. MOB: “We’re” not discussing me. You’re discussing me. Alex: Why do you keep dragging me into discussions of you? That’s childish. That’s the snerkiness I’m talking about. What you did re CMS would have been fine if you had simply raised its existence and purpose as rational questions, rather than coming off all hurt that you were excluded from this super secret insider group. To me your motivations seem typically social-female, which is why I characterize them that way. . . I actually tend to agree with what I think would be your position if you’d degrease it of the whines and sniffery personal stuff. MOB: I’m amazed that you experience yourself as being dragged into discussions of me, when I see you doing so under your own volition—you should definitely feel free to decline. I don’t detect hurt feelings, whines, sniffery or personal stuff in my comments about CMS. Biases play havoc with perception, it’s a fact - doesn’t make you a bad person, Alex, just human. : ) Alex: snipped - (you give yourself too much permission to pass off your personal opinions as fact - psychoanalyzing is off the table. ) MOB: It’s unlikely that I’ll go into more detail about CMS, even if someone else brings it up. Obviously what occurred on the KM list had a serious, negative effect on my participation in WN. I’m quite sure you had already been removed, along with several others including Bill White and Birdman, against whom I had also agitated, but who were all also removed on their own demerits, long after I had stopped posting. In your case, you were obsessed with cramming VNN down people’s throats, you and Bill White were cruelly, personally, attacking Kevin Strom, declaring yourselves better qualified to do his job. I noted a small reference to KAS in one of your recent comments and hope you’ll not use this to open up that can of worms again. I didn’t attack you “out of the bushes.” I criticized you out in the open, and I, as usual, was standing alone, whereas you, as usual, had two sidekicks tearing into me—not a pretty sight. Another object of my discontent Laird W. - I’m sure you’ll recall his pitiful lamentations at finding himself on a list that included people who weren’t published authors. His disappointment was heartbreaking. He was later removed, too, not because of my criticisms for his continuous harping about “slurs”, but by his own demerit—something about the ADL. I fear I simply needed fewer dots to be able to see what’s far ahead, and so I appeared to be a “troublemaker” when I was merely sounding an early alarm. : ( Ironically, although LW was removed, his grievance that only published authors should be allowed on the KM list, had taken hold. One by one, the active contributors who, as I then learned for the first time, were members of a group called CMS that was “at a higher level,” stopped posting, and the list died of malnutrition. As I said elsewhere, today only half a dozen people post to the KM list, and they’re mostly revisionists. My hopes back then were at odds with the people in power: I wanted us to be an organized group, engaging in concrete acts—not the inflammatory, costumed acts that people love to pretend are rampant in WN, but rational acts of conviction in protest to primarily Jewish manipulation. This may be hard for you to believe, but my wish for this to come to pass was just as strong, just as worthy, and just as necessary, I thought, as your wish for your own project. It wasn’t a pathetic matter of feeling excluded. I find it hard to believe that you’re so obtuse that you can’t distinguish between me wanting to get inside CMS and me having wanted CMS to come out as far as interacting normally with people who were, dare I say it, on their own team. There is a difference. But now I see your last line, and I appreciate it enough to repeat it:
A fitting conclusion to this difficult exchange. 253
Posted by Mill on September 14, 2011, 05:12 PM | # If you accuse “neocons” generally, then you’re implicating Jews due to the large Jewish presence in the “neocon” class. So is your claim that in addition to Arabs/Muslims, other gentiles such as White Christians, and only gentiles, whether in or out of the “neocon” category were involved? 254
Posted by Guest Lurker on September 14, 2011, 05:38 PM | #
According to this Italian documentary on 9/11, Mohammed Atta was no Islamist but most likely himself a CIA asset. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/zero-an-investigation-into-911/ 255
Posted by Guest Lurker on September 14, 2011, 05:53 PM | #
What’s so looney about this? There are quite a few books on this subject being published in Germany, and it appears to be corroborated by irradiated soil samples of a bombing test site in Thurinigia which indicate the presence of Cadmium, Cobalt, Plutonium and Uranium. Here is a video on it: There are far loonier Hitler theories that come to mind, such as Hitler was really Aleister Crowley in disguise working for British intelligence, or Hitler was a zionist crypto-jew Rothschild working towards the creation of the state of Israel. I’ll bet J Richards and 911 Litmus are huge fans of this theory. 256
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 06:35 PM | #
The world has changed dramatically since 2005. In 2005, there was no Facebook, no Twitter, no YouTube, no smart phones; social media was its infancy, messageboards were common, but file sharing wasn’t nearly as mature as it is today. Now, everyone in America is a journalist. Everyone has a smart phone that can record blacks being black. They can post it on YouTube. It goes viral across Facebook. It crosses over into the conservative media and changes racial attitudes. Back in 2005, the MSM could spin Hurricane Katrina because they had almost complete control over video. They don’t control video anymore though. The people control video through smart phones and social media. So now, it is fairly common to hear about black-on-white crime. This has been discussed all across the conservative media over the past year. “Amren-ism” on black crime is mainstream now.
Amren-ism has triumphed in the conservative movement. The flash mobs and social media (blogs, Facebook, YouTube) succeeded in “mainstreaming” racial awareness of black criminality. Yeah, it had been going on for years ... but until recently, the MSM could keep it out of public view. They can’t keep it out of public view now. Not when everyone has a smart phone, a Facebook account, when everyone hangs out on YouTube to waste time at work. What about the Linder strategy of pinning 9/11 on the Jews? It didn’t work in the aftermath of 9/11 ... and it certainly isn’t working a decade later when people are tired of hearing about it and want to move on with their lives. 257
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 06:47 PM | #
True. Atheists reject belief in God ... and by extension, the entire edifice of Christianity, especially the Christian moral tradition, not to mention the communities of faith which are predominant in their own states and localities. So yeah, atheists reject belief in God. Linder goes way beyond that though. He rejects morality itself. He rejects his own neighbors. Linder can’t communicate with the people in his own hometown. Linder’s strategy is to declare war on his own neighbors ... how has the polarization strategy worked in Kirksville? If Linder’s strategy works, why doesn’t he try it in Kirksville? I would travel to Kirksville myself to see Linder try the polarization strategy at the churches in his own neighborhood.
Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. Linder believes in the divinity of Adolf Hitler. In Kirksville, Linder’s Christian and conservative neighbors see themselves as being invested in the Christian moral tradition. But what about Linder? He is invested in Hitler’s tradition. Yeah, Hitler’s moral tradition ... which worked out so fucking great in the Federal Republic of Germany. Just look at it today. Linder’s position is that the Jews must be exterminated, and that they everyone who disagrees with his NS party line is the enemy, anyone who believes in God and who rejects the idea that making Linder an absolute dictator is the enemy. What must it like to be Linder? He wakes up in his bed every morning ... under the delusion in order to save his civilization, he must become an absolute dictator in Missouri! His strategy is to declare war on his own neighbors. He must be recognized as the dictator of Northern Missouri. Rarely has such foolishness been taken seriously by so many people. 258
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 07:27 PM | #
No typo. ‘Snarky’ is for a sort of mocking used by the Gawker-ring lefties. Your comments have a taint of bitterness that is no part of snark. That’s what i was getting at with the ‘e’ in it. A or ark is a broad open more full-throated sound, whereas the er and erk is more cramped, closed off, which echoes the sense of the term. Soft or hard isn’t really to do with it - it’s like where you say I was self promoting. Jesus, Marge, I write stuff and post it on my own sites. Where else am I supposed to link? If I’m in a group that treats the stuff I deal with, am I really out of bounds for linking to stuff that concerns the matter under discussion? What else is the point of the group? You are far out of bounds on this stuff, and it’s not just me, it’s in the CMS stuff too. But this is one of those things I guess is only obvious from the outside. 259
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 07:34 PM | # Mark Potok is right here. He is not a fool. You got to remember the SPLC has over $100 million dollars in the bank. They have made a ton of money off the fringe elements of White Nationalism. Morris Dees lives in a mansion in Montgomery because of people like Linder. They send out their little report ... it says, “Neo-Nazis want to exterminate Jews.” Then the money comes rolling in. The SPLC doesn’t need to “infiltrate” the White Nationalist movement. There are more than enough clowns around who will lay claim to “White Nationalism” in order to destroy it from within. Just look at some of the clowns that come here to harass people ... for no other purpose than to harass people. There are so many kooks and bozos in the White Nationalist movement competing with each other for a small amount of money that it leads to a “crabs in the bucket” scenario. Linder will attack James Edwards, Peter Brimelow, Kevin MacDonald, Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Sam Francis ... anyone, in order to malign them and defame them in order to advance himself out of pride and vanity. Of course the SPLC believes that Linder is an asset. His presence drives people out of White Nationalism. He makes the movement look kooky and unserious. His “strategy” is to declare war on his next door neighbors in Kirksville. He identifies White Nationalism with Hitlerism and Satanism. Everyone who has been involved in “WN” for any extended period of time knows that “WNs” are their own worst enemy. You know, “WNs” have said worst things about April Gaede than anyone in the mainstream. They do it for the pettiest of reasons too. Greg follows Linder around like a puppy dog. Just look at how Linder treats him. It’s so fucking sad that it is pathetic! Hell, White people treat their own animals better than Linder treats his fellow citizens in Kirksville. Is the White Nationalist movement driven by hate? Is it full of kooks? Are people crazy? Just tune into “VNN Forum.” All your suspicions and stereotypes will be confirmed.
That’s how everyone treats Linder. Potok is smarter than Linder. As a professional journalist, he knows how legitimacy operates. He is perfectly content to keep Linder in his present role. Linder is an enormous asset to the SPLC: a scarecrow within the WN movement that confirms stereotypes, a reliable fundraising tool, a muckracking saboteur within the movement, a cultivator of every stripe of colorful sociopath imaginable. Why would you want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs? Forget 9/11. “VNN Forum” is the ultimate inside job. Brought to you by Hal Turner and Rounder! What’s truly amazing is that Linder is taken seriously. That tells you right there everything you need to know about the White Nationalist movement. Do people in Kirksville take him seriously? What is his strategy? The Linder strategy should be called “the Antichrist strategy.” Here’s our game plan: in Missouri, we shall denounce Jesus, storm these churches to denounce these little old ladies, preach the divinity of Adolf Hitler and the gospel of the Holocaust (we didn’t kill the Jews, but we should have exterminated all of them!), create a revolutionary party of National Socialist atheists, and do our best impression of being possessed by Lucifer. In the name of Satan, we shall install ourselves as the absolute rulers of Kirksville, and from there we shall wipe out every single Jew in North America. But you object that it is immoral to murder people? But you object that this doesn’t win us any allies? But you object that this doesn’t work? Well, you are Jew. That’s what you are! Do you remember the time that Jimbo realized that Linder was “spooky” and didn’t have the right message? He had to push Alex off the bridge for the greater good of White people. It would have been sufficient to slap some sense into him. Maybe Jimbo needs to come back. In Mississippi, White people are Christians and conservatives. Why not try to make conservatives more racial? Is it impossible? Nearly half of Mississippi Republicans openly say that interracial marriage should be banned. 89 percent of Whites in Mississippi voted against Obama. Over half the White people in the state are explicitly racial ... explicitly racial Christians and conservatives. No one really likes the status quo. What sense then does it make to portray are own people as the enemy? It gets us nowhere. It is a much better idea to have some patience and work from the inside to judge them in the right direction. Saying “Jews need to be exterminated” isn’t the best way to go about that. It only helps the SPLC. 260
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 14, 2011, 07:56 PM | # We make sense of the present only through the lens of the past, as the French philosopher Maurice Halbwachs pointed out, recognizing that: “Our conceptions of the past are affected by the mental images we employ to solve present problems, so that collective memory is essentially a reconstruction of the past in the light of the present…Memory needs continuous feeding from collective sources and is sustained by social and moral props.” 261
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 08:03 PM | #
I attacked Kevin Strom because he attempted to character-assassinate me when all I had done was tell the truth about what was going on at NA. My larger point was to create a new WN culture where accurate information circulated freely, as opposed to its traditional Southern culture of polite coverup, ie lying, ie conmen mulcting goobers.
Yeah, Marge, and why were you alone? Because your obsession with thinking other people are promoting themselves and/or excluding you is not shared by rational people. I’m not kidding or criticizing you. It’s a real blind spot. It’s a discussion group, like here. You contribute what you have that’s relevant. You don’t expect to be attacked out of left field by some broad who reads some personal motive into it. From a link, no less. Not a link to a pay site or bookseller, just to a relevant article. That aspect of you I never understood, and I was not the only one. As for Wilcox, yeah, he was an all-star twat. Haven’t heard anything from or about him in years, maybe he’s dead.
That’s not hard to believe at all. That you think it would be hard for someone else to believe is an example of what I’m saying about your blind spot. Other people don’t have that snerkiness, Marge. Why in the world would I find it hard to believe you actually wanted to do some serious activism in light of your solid posts and analysis? I would assume you did because you clearly are a serious person. I think you perceive a lot of things that just aint there, at least with regard to other people’s motivations. Anyway, enough on all that. What matters for us now is that MacDonald and the Safe-Lites have decided on a route, and that is the route of racial conservatism. It won’t work for reasons I’ve explained many times and won’t rehash here. But, boy, does it raise the eyebrows to watch the guy who literally wrote the book on jewish subversion open the door to racialism being coopted by jews just the way professional conservatism was. 262
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 08:09 PM | #
Yes, through narrative ... myths, symbols, framing ... which we rely upon to frame experience and interpret reality. 263
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 08:32 PM | #
“White Nationalism” isn’t Southern. It is actually weaker in the Deep South than in other parts of the country. “White Nationalism” shouldn’t be confused with racialism. They have never been the same thing. In the 1970s and 1980s, the discourse that later became known as “White Nationalism” made its first appearance in marginal Neo-Nazi circles. It triumphed in the 1980s and 1990s. Suddenly, everyone who was pro-White was a “White Nationalist,” which hadn’t been the case just a few years before. In the 1960s, Southern segregationists like George Wallace and Richard Russell (who led the fight against integration) had nothing to do with the likes of George Lincoln Rockwell. No one in Alabama wanted Rockwell to come here. In Birmingham, Bull Connor and others didn’t want to be associated with the Neo-Nazis who were coming here to exploit the “Civil Rights Movement,” none of whom were from Alabama. They were just another group of “outside agitators.” Connor and others cooperated with J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI which was convinced that MLK was a communist. Hoover hated MLK and bugged his entourage. That is why those sealed records are still off limits to historians. As for the Klan, the Klan was around for over a century before “White Nationalism” existed, and it was one of the biggest organizations in America before Hitler rose to power in Germany. The Council was an organic response to the challenge posed by forced integration in the 1950s. The Council, the Klan, the “Neo-Confederate” groups ... they were around long before “White Nationalism” became an umbrella term to refer to anyone who was pro-White. The SPLC lumps all these people together as “hate groups.” I’m lumped in as a “hate group” with Linder. This is another type of rhetoric which didn’t exist a few decades ago. It was William Pierce and David Duke who created “White Nationalism.” There were other figures involved like David Lane. It all goes back to the 1970s and 1980s - to the period where absolute chaos reigned following the demise of Jim Crow. The non-Southern origins of White Nationalism can clearly be seen in the way it is interpreted as an ideology. Southerners are conservatives. We are not ideological. It is not our way to become possessed by abstractions - to become fanatically committed to an ideology. That kind of mentality has always flourished in the North, not the South. The Klan isn’t ideological. The Council wasn’t ideological. The “Neo-Confederate” groups certainly aren’t ideological. OTOH, the “National Alliance” and the “World Church of the Creator” and the “National Socialist Movement” and the “Northwest Front” and “VNN Forum.” Yeah, they are ideological; because they are not really Southern in inspiration. 264
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 14, 2011, 08:35 PM | # I have some ideas as to why European collective memory is relatively weak compared to other ethnic/cultural groups. It certainly is, in part, about the ‘universal’ impulse in European culture which, in our hurbis, we assume or assert that the European experience is universalist in nature instead of recognising the, by definition, particularist nature of any cultural tradition worthy of the name. Of course that’s not the only factor at play. I had the thought reading this thread that contemporary America suffers very badly from this syndrome - as though the entire world wishes to ‘enjoy’ the lifestyles on offer at the typical mall. Our course this ‘universal’ nation also considers itself deeply ‘exceptional’ and unique. A very odd state of affairs really - an American anti-syzygy. 265
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 14, 2011, 08:41 PM | # *‘Of course’ not ‘our course’ - another typo. Getting late here so I will retire for the evening, ladies and gentlemen. 266
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 08:43 PM | # Ungentlemen, some sad news to report. This evening, sitting with my father in front of the television and discussing things, which we have not done in years, I asked the old man where he was when the planes hit. I’d forgotten he was just blocks from the Pentagon working on a contract for the Swedish embassy, so he reminded me ... then added: ” ... And I didn’t see any plane overhead.” I was slack-jawed. My own father is ... one of them. He proceeded to lecture me on how unlikely it is that the Pentagon of all places would not have overhead surveillance, etc. Does this mean I have to do more googling?? ffs!!!! lolzolzozlozlzozlozlzozlozlolzlolz 267
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 08:45 PM | #
The idea of American exceptionalism is what you’d expect as an idealogical unifier from a combination of disparate national groups with a more or less common ideal-centric nature. Chosen-ness as a unifier, same old, same old. 268
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 08:51 PM | #
Who are the “racial conservatives”? You mean people like James Edwards, Sam Francis, Jared Taylor, etc. What do they all have in common? They are all Southerners. The majority of White Southerners are still “racial conservatives.” White people in Virginia and Tennessee are not that different from Edwards and Taylor. James Edwards can get up on stage in Washington at the NPI conference. He can say that he doesn’t hate black people. He’s right about that. Jared Taylor really doesn’t hate them either. They are both being honest. How do we explain this? Edwards and Taylor are Southern conservatives, not White Nationalists. Edwards might protest that he isn’t a “conservative,” but he is attacking Bill Buckley’s version of conservatism, not the Sam Francis conservatism, or South Carolina and Tennessee conservatism, which has never been Yale conservatism, if such a thing exists at all. I doubt it. Southerners don’t hate black people. We just recognize that they are different from us. Virtually all black people would agree that we are different. They are not White people. We are not black people. That’s just the way it is. Someone like James Edwards or Jared Taylor could easily get along with Jesse Lee Peterson. They are Southerners which means they are not ideological. Linder is ideological.
This is another example of how White Nationalism isn’t really Southern. Southerners know better than to believe this old canard. Yeah, it is all the fault of the Jews. Except for the Jews in Selma who had no problem with segregation. Whose businesses were ruined by integration. Was there a massive indigenous movement in the South among Jews to overthrow segregation? Did the Jews in Montgomery and Birmingham overthrow segregation? Not at all. On the contrary, those damn “Freedom Riders” and “Freedom volunteers” came here from New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, New York, and so forth . Were there any Jews in the “Civil Rights Movement”? Of course, but for some reason this didn’t create the impression it should have here if “Jews did it.” If the “Jews did it,” why didn’t anyone notice? Why didn’t they see what was going on? In Selma, which was the climatic battle of the “Civil Rights Movement,” the whole fucking Unitarian National Convention relocated to Selma. The leader of the Greek Orthodox Church over all of North America came here. The Catholic bishops came and marched here. The “Civil Rights Movement” was like a rock concert for the Yankee Protestant clergy. “Jews did it” all right ... they forced the North to repeal its own black codes, to allow blacks to move to Illinois, to allow blacks to move to Detroit en masse, where they could marry White women since the 1890s or thereabouts ... long before the invention of television. 269
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 14, 2011, 08:52 PM | # One last thought and then I’m going to be getting some sleep… Elias Canetti wrote: “It is the first death which infects everyone with the feelings of being threatened…It is impossible to overrate the part played by the first dead man in the kindling of wars. Rulers who want to unleash war know very well that they must procure or invent a first victim. It needs not be anyone of particular importance, and can even be someone quite unknown. Nothing matters except his death; and it must be believed that the enemy is responsible for this. Every possible cause of his death is suppressed except one: his membership of the group to which one belongs oneself.” Even Jews, on occasion, can say or write something that is true. 270
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 08:54 PM | #
The economic collapse will lead to a collapse in faith in the elite and consequently belief in the current elite’s major official narratives. I assume that will include the 9/11 narrative too but i don’t think it’s at the tipping point yet. 271
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 08:56 PM | #
I think the key there is that all the video from surrounding businesses was seized. But it’s not a segment of the plot I’ve looked into much. 272
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 09:02 PM | #
This is off. Capitalist bounty was the foundation of America’s national psychology; “we” were exceptional and unique because “we” found ourselves with a huge landmass and seemingly limitless opportunity for freedom and growth. You can identify this with Jewish exceptionalism if you like, and there’s doubtless much truth to that, but it ignores the root of American experience. Your English garden wilted whilst ours sprouted many vigorous things which now happen to be strangling us. The American hatefest is a little old though, guys. Seems to be Graham’s dominant gripe of late. I’m all for bashing kwa, but I prefer strong forthright tones to the resentful asides of Englishmen. Document the caligulan filth of our society, the perfidy of our politicians, the immorality of our people(s), the veritable hell that is life in the kwa — but must you sound like hissing Europeans about it. 273
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 09:07 PM | #
Quite right, and a very important aspect of the problem. The spiritual universalism in christ-insanity and the political universalism in the Enlightenment are both examples of hubris.
It’s just a native lack of imagination coupled with an inability to travel easily abroad (as all you close-living Europeans can do) that is worked on for 20 years by public school and sunday school and mass media alike. Americans think they’re hot shit because that’s what they’re told from every official vector every waking second of their lives. Only a minority are born with the genetic eye-roll to see through the garbage. We did have something good once, but like most good things, its shelf life was short. Soon enough we became just another social-democrat feedlot, and now we’re becoming a Third World mudhole. We do retain the right to own guns and speak freely compared to Europeans, though. I can also say Americans generally are helpful and friendly people, and there are, notwithstanding hundreds of millions of plangent morons, millions of highly intelligent people among us. 274
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 09:13 PM | #
The mechanism is the same. Jews just figured it out first. Pretty much all imperial powers develop the idea at some point also. .
Not intentional. I was just using Graham’s comment to illustrate my theory about idealogical unifiers. America had a bunch of related but distinct national groups: British, Dutch, Scandi, German etc who all were more along the ideal-centric end of the ethnic vs ideal based cohesion spectrum leading naturally to a unifying exceptionalist ideal. 275
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 09:18 PM | #
I can believe that. My father’s own argument — the most heavily guarded building in the world etc. — works against him in that respect. But I don’t like to challenge him.
Pun intended, I hope. 276
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 09:21 PM | #
Wallace, you’ve nailed it here. The Southern white organizations are country clubs, while the Northern organizations are more like cults. For what it’s worth, I think your Southern friend white populist conservatism is a good angle for GOP politics down there. I say go for it, you are wasting your time with “White Nationalists” - you should be denouncing Linder’s rhetorical genocides all day every day. The SPLC loves to associate the Confederate flag with Nazi symbolism, just like any and all white symbols must be associated with Hitler and genocide. VNN does do their work for them. My only question is how much of that old time Dixie still exists in the South. Alabama, sure, but North Carolina? They call Cary “Concentrated Area of Relocated Yankees” for a reason. And culturally, let’s be honest, the religion of Alabama isn’t Christianity, it’s football.
The yankees never did understand that. ... Lee John Barnes’ run down of how 911 probably went down looks about right to me. But he’s missing the Jew angle. The cabal no doubt has more Gentiles than Jews. But in the case of PNAC and their forgotten partner, JINSA, the Jews form the core, and create the intellectual agenda, the Gentiles are *recruited* - in the case of Cheney and Rumsfeld, it was their track record under Nixon of pulling off “Big Lies” and they signed on because they were two washed up Cold Warriors with nothing left to do but write books no one would read. They signed on the become historical figures, and it worked. Bush was the loser son always outdone by his brother, so when some Jews and Christian Zionists came along to make him the heir to Poppy, and give his life meaning through Judeo-Xianity, he obviously jumped at the opportunity. Jews win because they are the ones that do the bullshitting, instead of believing the bullshit, and because they are quite happy to recruit Gentile “leaders” i.e., frontmen, to their cause. It’s a *cognitive* battle, an information war, and a test of group loyalties. The reason why they attack any manifestation of white identity is because it builds group loyalty. Any non-Jewish identity is by definition, group collaboration against Jews. At least to a judeo-centric. That’s why any “group mind” or collaborative intellectual elite of whites has to tell the truth about reality, such as 911. 277
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 09:38 PM | # And if it matters to anyone, Alex Linder is right about most things, but a complete asshole who goes out of his way to stir up trouble. He should be the whipping boy of the entire pro-white movement. The only people we hate more than Linder are his best friends, the SPLC.
I wish I could believe that, but I don’t. Online is different than offline. There has to be online discussion that is frank, and critical of public leadership, while the public leadership has to simply ignore whatever chatter is online and denounce it as needed. Everybody should be smart enough to understand the game Jared Taylor is playing on the Jew question. It’s probably ok, and even useful, to take snipes at him online because of it, but actually running some campaign against him is ridiculous. Same with “outing” people, if they are running for office it might be necessary. But authors who are homos shouldn’t be bothered about it, as long as they aren’t parading around the streets in their underwear or anything. Linder isn’t the Fuhrer of Kirksville, he’s the Pope of Kirksville. Take out his FBI-friendly rhetoric about “exterminating” people and he’s usually right. I also don’t expect Jared Taylor to tell the truth about 911, but if he starts openly lying about it, and attacking those telling the truth (other than whatever politically correct thing he may need to say, like Ron Paul has done) damn right I’ll go after him, online at least. The internet is not just a broadcast platform for us, it’s also a collective intellectual project. It’s not just media, it’s grey matter. Pro-white websites are a new form of religion, a modern collective evolutionary strategy. 911 is the Litmus Test for people who expect to be taken seriously on issues that 911 had an effect on. If someone wants to stop immigration, I’ll work with him regardless of whether he’s an idiot who believes in the Al Qaeda mythology. 278
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 09:57 PM | # Conservatism works in everyday life; in politics it fails. Only ideological politics - vicious, impersonal, categorical politics - will defeat the jews. 279
Posted by anon11111 on September 14, 2011, 10:01 PM | #
The Bush and Bin Laden families are both rich, powerful, connected to the CIA, involved in criminal activities (in particular: opium), and have done business with each other in the past. These facts are undoubtedly important to the 9/11 tale. I’m sure Bush had perfectly good reasons for participating in the plot. 280
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 10:01 PM | # Southern conservatives such as Jared “Polished Turd” Taylor and Jimmy “Grinning Trimmer” Schmedwards are too weak to I mean, do I really need to say that? Can you not see it written all over them? It’s unfortunate that many people confuse personal virtues with political skills; they are far from the same. What’s lower usually comes out on top in politics - just look at the jews. I will say for the umpteenth time, until it sinks in, don’t take tips from losers, take tips from winners. Look at how the jews do it. Look at how other groups that have defeated the jews did it. That’s where you want to look to copy. The last thing we need is more politeness, more gentlemen, more codespeaking male swells with soft hands and gentle words. 281
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 10:18 PM | # anon11111
Good point, and perhaps I am over analyzing to some degree. We have to resist the temptation to fall into seeing these things as classical Greco-Roman personal leader dramas. I think my larger point about Jews recruiting stands though. Trying to figure out why and how the people who did 911 did it is important for everyone. I wonder about the Christian Zionist cult in the Air Force Officer Corp, which has proven quite a consternation to the Democratic party/liberal establishment. Are the Christian Zionist just dupes of the Jews, or have their own agenda? Hard to tell. I know that Israelis are paranoid about working with them. 282
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 10:26 PM | #
That’s a good way of putting it. In the South, racialism is about place. In the North, it is about ideology. Conservatives reject ideology. We believe that all ideologies are false. The American tradition of ideological fanaticism (which is reflected in WN and various other Yankee ideologies) is very much a Northern phenomena. Segregation wasn’t ideological. It was a practical living arrangement that evolved through trial and error. It was a way of managing the Black Undertow. Lincoln had emancipated the slaves (i.e., the “New Birth of Freedom”) and his successors gave them citizenship. We had to adapt to dealing with the problem. Southerners dislike ideological fanaticism - taking abstractions to their logical conclusion, getting fanatical about ideology, insisting on a party line. There are all kinds of cults out there like this. The libertarian cult is one example. The Ayn Rand “Objectivist” cult is another example. Greg was an Objectivist before he became a White Nationalist. He is still searching for the right ideology. In the South, “liberty” is a lifestyle. It is a way of life; a living arrangement, not an abstract system. This is why Southerners are perfectly comfortable with all sorts of government programs that are opposed by ideological libertarians. Ideologues passionately care about the inconsistency. That is because liberty is a kind of doctrine or dogma for them. The dogma of a cult.
Linder is the “Laptop Luftwaffe” - a shining example of a rhetorical radical. Ever get barked at by a dog? That is essentially all he does. He barks at the Jews like a dog. He has created an online dog pound of people who bark at the Jews. The Jews know perfectly well that Linder is going to sit there and bark at them all day. His barking will only scare away and alienate people in his own hometown. He will bark at them until the day he dies like William Pierce. Are the Jews of Kirksville afraid of Linder? Not at all. The Jews at Truman State University in Kirksville have been carrying on for years without any interference from Linder. He has never posed a threat to them. He is as harmless as a fly. Someone who is going to bark, bark, bark ... isn’t going to bite, even modestly. He barks louder than anyone else. In reality, his bite isn’t nearly as bad as, say, that of Buchanan who really scares them.
Mark Potok loves Alex Linder. The SPLC is here in Montgomery. Do you think Morris dislikes Linder? All the hatebots that work in that building love Linder. He is one of their favorite clowns in cyberspace. If it weren’t for people like Linder, people like Heidi Beirich would have to get a real job. Who is Heidi Beirich? Just a fat woman who works in a building. She labels things “hate” and gets paid a six figure salary. The SPLC rakes in millions of dollars with fundraisers warning about harmless Neo-Nazis like Linder who spend virtually 100 percent of their time attacking people like Jared Taylor and James Edwards. If Linder came to Montgomery, I bet Morris would take him out to a steakhouse. Many a hatebot is acquired gainful employment due the Herr Linder and friends.
There are lots of Yankees living here now. They are all over Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Houston, etc. South Florida isn’t part of the South. The Real South though still very much exists. Most of North Carolina and Virginia are still Southern. The Yankees have only settled in the big cities and around the periphery. Arkansas in Southern. Kentucky is Southern. Outside of the heavily populated urban areas, which will die soon anyway, the South is very Southern. 283
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 10:38 PM | # anon11111,
Beautifully put. I for one agree with all my heart and tried expressing that above.
Alex,
It’s just you don’t seem to be setting the world on fire. Reality, despite your mantra, is not actually tending VNNward. Not after ten years of dogging of everyone with whom you (rightly) disagree. And we never believed it would, though we all loved hearing you declare it on Goyfire. It is no exaggeration to say that anyone involved with this world and who is not a stiff or an Englishman has some Alex Linder in him. But it ends precisely there. If my old hypothesis — that NO strategy “will work” — is true, and all the evolutionary discourse floating about seems to back me up, then when you expire, you will have spent many many years blowing down a house of cards, with nothing to stand in its place. You’re just one form of life among many struggling for mastery in a totally rigged game. Bucket of crabs indeed.
But there is something to that. Consider the “manosphere”. From where I’m sitting I see no more fruitful intersection of our ideas with a wider cultural phenomenon, in this case anti-feminism. The Spearhead and In Mala Fide are full of racists. “Roissy”, your nearest rival in virtuoso English, peppers his writing with frank acknowledgement of race reality and was at the point of open Jew Crit when, so I believe, one of his pseudo-Roissy contributors got cold feet. Here is a groundswell of disgruntled white men in various stages of swallowing and digesting the red pill to racialism. It is nothing more than that — I won’t make the all too common WN mistake of declaring us to be on the verge of breakthrough mass support or the end of the multicult. Not even close. But it’s a larger ripple in the pond from the center point. It’s all about taking tips from winners, being dirty, playing unfair, not wallowing in noble lies, cynically using women to get what they want. More or less what you prescribe in politics. You said recently on the forum that “we’re the football players and the masses are the cheerleaders” or however it was. Premature but apt. It’s exactly what gamers prescribe for white men: HAVE SPINE OR ACT AS THOUGH YOU HAVE AND THEY WILL COME. All you’re really saying is that acting stiff is a losing game, that people don’t want proper, they want cool. Sadly the carry-over from internet to real life is next to nil. People don’t speak as they write. You do, because you’re a genius in that way. When I’m in company and challenged to explain my veltinshwing, I’m lucky to put a single coherent sentence together before they retreat into irony and bullshit. There’s just too much chaos and idiocy about to believe any approach, however right in theory, is equal to the presumed-possible task of rescuing America, English, or any of the lot. The bad guys had a chance to save white people from themselves and blew it, for themselves and the rest of us into the future. 284
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 14, 2011, 10:40 PM | # Linder
I agree with this.
I don’t agree with this, at all. In fact, I think the exact opposite is closer to reality. Perhaps we have different definitions for the word “politics.” Hunter Wallace has it just about right when it comes to real politics in the state of Alabama. When it comes to an intellectual vanguard, dealing with understanding reality, not winning elections, he’s useless. Although how he describes tactical ideas of social media publicizing nigra flash mobs shows he’s smarter than he pretends to be. So again, I agree with you about how you see reality, but your proscriptions for fixing it are 100% wrong, like reading from an SPLC script about “extermination.” As far as I can tell, you’re just a cult leader, and not a very interesting one at that. But you’re right about 911, and most things. Hal Turner was right about most things too. The best liars tell the truth 99% of the time. Don’t take it personally, I don’t know you from Adam, just read VNN a few times and what you posted on this thread. PS THANK YOU to whoever runs MajorityRights for allowing this ugly discussion among us Americans. Please do not underestimate the level of censorship in America - mostly self imposed - over the issue of 911. The only reason I trashed Parrott on this thread is probably why Linder trashed Johnson - I respect him enough to call him on his total bullshit about 911. 285
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 10:45 PM | #
Priceless operational definition of “anti-Semitism”. 286
Posted by FB on September 14, 2011, 10:45 PM | # What has Linder"s “naming the Jew” at VNN accomplished over the last ten years? The Jew has been named a trillion times by Linder and his gang of informers and criminals and sociopaths and deffectives. If Jews were afraid of Linder, he either would be sitting with Tyrone in the same jail cell playing chess with a 45 year sentence or he’d be swimming with the fishes, but for the reasons hinted at by Hunter, Jews consider White Nationalists like him a precious asset. Potok et al. wish him a long life! Nobody discredits racially conscious Whites more than people like him. What do you make of an individual who compulsively spams his posts with juvenile garbage like: “Death to the Jews” or “Jews must be exterminated”? Setting aside the grotesque nature of wanting to kill an entire people simply because of their heritage, what’s the point of uttering bogus threats you’ll never have the means to carry out? We still don’t know what Linder does to pay his bills, is it too far fetched to think that he gets a stipend from Potok for his help with fundraising? How would Potok et al. raise funds if it weren’t for “neo-Nazis who want to exterminate Jews”? Potok just need to quote Linder when he sends his letters to old Jews asking them for donations. If it weren’t for Linder, Potok would have to actually work for a living. Linder is also very useful for those who want to introduce hate-speech legislation. It becomes difficult to oppose such legislation if it means stopping “the type of speech that was responsible for the Holocaust.” Of course, inevitably such anti-hate legislation makes it a crime to criticize immigration or multiculturalism. Thanks, Linder! Looking at the facts, it’s far more likely that Linder works for “the Jews” than that neocons did 9/11 and other similar boring bullshit. 287
Posted by anon / uh on September 14, 2011, 10:49 PM | # Material for a book with a catchy left-style title. The Construction of ‘Hate’: Myths of Authority and Danger in a Southern City. 288
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 10:51 PM | # Schmedwards falls on his knees to pay his respects to Buchanan, who picked a negress for his running mate. Yet it would be “ideological” to expect anybody involved with White politics to do anything as crassly principled as to treat a race traitor as something other than a conquering hero. These are the men who will regain us our White sovereignty? It’s not even a matter of laughter, it’s a million miles past that into can’t-get-there-from-here insanity. The South isn’t ideological or fanatical? Quite right. And that lack of impersonal, principled ideological fanaticism is precisely why it loses. What makes the South attractive to Southerners is in large measure the same reason it has never been able to defend itself. Fanatical ideology requires brains, dedication, perseverance, unwillingness to give up - the sort of thing we see in winners, not Southerners. Southern culture can be called conservative, but another word for conservative is just plain dumb. You believe what you’re told. You go to church. You respect authority. You know your place. All of these bio-cultural tendencies ensure a racial solution to Whites’ woes in North America will never come out of the South. How could it? The South doesn’t even have the brains to see that eventually demographic decline will insure there are no whites left in the South, and that means no South. Naw, suh, we got ouah niggers under control. The hell you do. Fanatical dedication and ideological rigor are sine qua non in defeating the jew. And you can’t get those qualities at Piggly Wiggly. 289
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 11:03 PM | #
Easy. They bring their kids up to believe “the whole world dances in the blood of the Jews.” If no-one actually said it someone like Potok would make it up. 290
Posted by A. Linder on September 14, 2011, 11:17 PM | # Use your imaginations, people. Stop being little girlies who cry whenever one of your Tiger Beat heroes is pinched. What if we had a party called the Racist Party? What if every one of us were a member? What if we mass attacked the right, especially the paleoconservatives and the WHINOs? We attacked Buchanan and the rest of these jew-bought or jew-feared clowns with intent to destroy? We attacked Jared Taylor and the others traitors who sold out to the jews? We attacked the conservatives in the Tea Party for being weaklings, and we attacked Ron Paul for cowardly running away from his own words in his newsletter? What do you think would happen? If we all did. Me. You all here. MacDonald. Johnson. Everybody out there who wanted in. What if we forced every last excuse-maker to come down finally on side or the other. Are you a racialist or a religionist? a racialist or a regionist? a racialist or a Republican? Which is it. Make a choice? What if we actually meant what we’re saying, and proved that by our VERBAL actions (to set the very first, very lowest standard)? Soon enough we would have a reputation; I think we would run through the weak right like butter. We’d be well on the way to a serious polarization between the judeo-left and the mean-itz whites. I repeat again: What if we actually meant what we said about race? And didn’t make excuses for people couldn’t/wouldn’t/shouldn’t say wht needed to be said? At some point, there is no more equivocation possible. Look how free you all are with the attempted character-assassination of the tiny minority who aren’t using fake names. Do you honestly believe you aren’t worms - those of you who aren’t veiled antis, head cases or undercover cops? I have never in my life seen such a collection of excuse-makers as the race crowd. Edwards is a fangirl; Spencer and Taylor are shirtfronts. There is nothing serious there. Serious men would laugh a clown like Buchanan off the stage, not brag about getting him on their radio show. Racialism is not ready for prime time, and it never will be until it learns to see professional conservatives as the enemy rather than as movie stars. 291
Posted by Rollo on September 14, 2011, 11:28 PM | # Taylor is alright but will probably end up as having been inconsequential. Edwards is ok but kind of annoying and has a creepy carnival barker/snake oil salesman vibe. And that totally bald, shiny head really adds to the creepiness, especially because his face looks very young. He should get a voice coach and train to avoid sounding like a creepy used car salesman, and he should grow out as much hair as he can. A receding hairline will look more respectable than looking like a teenager with a completely bald, greasy dome. He looks like a painthuffing, grinning fool. 292
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 11:34 PM | #
I don’t think so. If conservatism works in everyday life, then eventually it will triumph in politics. It will triumph simply by outlasting the competition. Conservatives are playing for centuries. The Jews are playing for a few decades.
Have you defeated the Jews after 10 years of trying that strategy? 293
Posted by Wandrin on September 14, 2011, 11:36 PM | #
Very cute wife. 294
Posted by FB on September 14, 2011, 11:46 PM | # Hunter, the Jews are playing for millennia. They’ve defeated ALL of their enemies. 295
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 14, 2011, 11:55 PM | #
Isn’t that what you do? You go on VNN Forum and complain about your character being insulted on Majority Rights. Yet you use your forum to attack the character of others by calling the cowards. If you are not a coward, why don’t you invite us to Kirksville to witness a real world test of the polarization strategy? I am willing to come to Kirksville to watch you try the polarization strategy as the local churches in your community. I’m willing to see you demonstrate the efficacy of the polarization strategy.
How many members would we have? We would have about 100 of us or so here in a political party stretched across multiple jurisdictions. You see, it is the people in our own communities we need to connect with, not with people online. You need to connect with people in Kirksville. What use is connecting with Greg in San Francisco?
Okay, a few observations. (1) You’ve been doing that for 10 years now. (2) It has won you allies like Hal Turner, Rounder, and Bill White. (3) It hasn’t impressed anyone in Kirksville. (4) It has made the SPLC a lot of money. (5) It turns people off who are not as ideological as you are, which is to say, virtually everyone ... 99 percent of White people. Do you enjoy being attacked? Do you enjoy other people trying to destroy it? Think about it. How does Alex Linder handle criticism? He doesn’t handle substantial criticism on his own forum. He simply bans everyone who disagrees with his strategy. Now, what if our target audience responds to being attacked like you respond to be attacked by conservatives. Do you like being attacked? If not, why should other people like being attacked by you?
I’ve seen it happen for ten years now ... you will end surrounded by people like Bill White, Rounder, Curt Maynard, Todd Vanbiber. The latest example of one of your followers is Joe “Backpack Bomb” Snuffy in Spokane, Washington. The SPLC is using Joe Snuffy of VNN Forum to raise money from its Jewish contributors.
Let’s see ... you are offering White people a choice between ... a choice between the absolute dictatorship of Linder ... or, hell I don’t know ... tuning you out? Trying to avoid you? The fact is, most people who are racial are other things besides. They are kind and decent people. They are agreeable people. They like their neighbors. They love God. Many love their country. Who wants to be as miserable as you? It is not a winning proposition!
Again, you have tried this strategy. We can examine the results of the strategy on VNN Forum. You’ve got Chain on your side, man. S
Alternatively, you could end up polarizing everyone against you, thereby isolating yourself in your own community and marginalizing yourself among your peers.
No one is really assassinating your character ... questioning your judgment, yes ... because your proposal has been tried and it doesn’t work. You also refuse to do a public demonstration of it in Kirksville.
James Edwards and Jared Taylor have an advantage over you: Edwards can talk to anyone in Tennessee and sound completely normal. Taylor can talk to anyone in Virginia and come across as a refined Virginian with sensible racial views. But what about you? How do you come across in Kirksville? What do people in Kirksville think about you?
You’re bitter over your experience at the American Spectator. Look, insofar as you are criticizing the National Review crowd, then you have a point. The vast majority of “conservatives” out there don’t read professional conservative websites. Even among conservative activists on sites like Free Republic, there has been a revolutionary breakthrough in the entrenched racial taboos. Free Republic is starting to sound like Stormfront Lite now. You’re missing out on that because you associate “conservatism” with The American Spectator and National Review when it means something entirely different in Memphis and Charleston. 296
Posted by Silver on September 15, 2011, 12:22 AM | # Alex,
The planes caused the fire so they were instrumental in the collapse. I bet that designer doesn’t believe someone could have just walked up to the WTC with a box of matches and set the thing crashing. The larger point, of course, was that experts can err. It doesn’t matter what the designers thought (assuming they in fact thought what you claim); it matters what the real world demonstrated. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the recipe.
The truth is I’m sympathetic to both sides, Jew and “Nazi” alike. Jew, because, metaphorically, I grew up as one. By this I mean I’m not Jewish, but I grew up haunted by WWII, as a racial outsider among a group whose racial kin in that conflict targeted my racial kin, for reasons, I felt, just as petty as those for which their kind would so often snub me in my own life. And of course, understanding that Jews were and are hated for “what they are” rather than (or, if you prefer, in addition to) what they do, when I’d look at pictures of Jews I’d immediately see that anyone who has a racial problem with Jews is going to have almost identical racial problems with those of my background [Balkans; “med/jew”/“off-white” kind of appearance]. Nothing unusual about any of this. The unusual twist is being sympathetic to “nazis.” The thought of living a life discordant with the facts of reality is unappealing to me, so force of reason alone was sufficient to bring me around to conceding nazis their Facts and their Truth (which alas they wield like sledgehammers, and with reckless abandon). Much more potent were the moral implications of the nazi worldview. I had been accustomed to believing myself to being a moral actor—behaving morally appropriately, supporting that which is just and fair. It turned out that far from racism being evil’s last stand in the modern world (ie, after centuries of moral progress), the case for racism was at least morally plausible as the case for anti-racism, and, even more importantly, for anyone whose sense of ethnic belonging was important to him, “racism” (of some degree or another) was the sine-qua-non of ensuring the group’s perpetuity. Accepting that, the rest flows naturally: how can one unapologetically stand up for his own group while denying the “nazi” the right to stand up for his? Ultimately, I’ve come to believe that if the “nazi” loses, we all lose (“we” being anyone who includes a racial component in group affiliation). This may not quite be akin to taking up the flag for your cause, but you’ll have a hard time, I think, characterizing it as “unsympathetic.” That may be fine sentiment and all that, but as usual the devil is in the details. Having accounted for the “why,” there are still vast amounts of “what,” “who,” “where,” “when” and “how” to ponder. The vast bulk of WN literature deals with “why” and “who,” with fixing the appropriate attitude towards race in people’s minds. You’re (Alex) something of an exception to this trend, in that you devote a not insignificant portion of your efforts to delving into the “what” and “how”; most of it encapsulated by the expression “vertical expulsion.” Needless to say, I’m not a fan of that approach, but that doesn’t concern you since you’re not seeking to enlist my aid in the first place. The problem we both face is that there’s a great deal of overlap among our constituencies, and the process of ongoing amalgamation will only ensure that there’s much more to come. Given that, why in the world you’d insist on making enemies out of people who are not necessarily your enemies is confusing, and the only sense I can make out of it is to assume you’re so deranged by anger you can’t see straight. 297
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 12:28 AM | #
Buchanan is on television all the time. Where are you? Buchanan reaches all kinds of people through his books in bookstores. I remember coming across his book “The Death of the West” in 2001. That book led to other books. He wrote another great book about WW2. Buchanan is a smart man: he works tirelessly to change the discourse. By changing the discourse, he changes attitudes. He is a great discourse poisoner - probably the best in the business. In the real world, you have to be pragmatic. Buchanan is far more effective than you are. There is no telling how many people out there who have been influenced by Buchanan on multiculturalism, free trade, affirmative action, globalization, immigration, changing demographics, etc. How many people “got race” through Buchanan?
Why do we need principles? The last thing we need is to enslave ourselves to silly abstract doctrines. If ideological fanaticism was the road to victory, you have defeated the Jews a long time ago. It is much better to be non-ideological. Ideologues are always disagreeable. Who wants to associate with disagreeable people?
I propose we follow our interests. You can have the abstract ideology as your guide. You and Greg can be “intellectual.”
We believe in our interests here. Yankees believe in their ideologies.
What makes the South attractive to Southerners? Well, its our home. We have our own culture here. It is natural to think highly of yourself. New England thinks more highly of itself than Dixie. As should every nation. I don’t believe we are losing here because of our failure to heed your advice, Alex. The only reason the South lost on the race question in the 1960s was because the rest of the country combined to impose its will upon the South through Congress. Force was used to settle the issue.
All right. Let’s see who lasts longer. Alex has his money on the Jews. I will put my money on Christians. My prediction is that Christians will still be here when the Jews are gone.
There is another word for Southern culture - enduring. Unlike Alex, the dumb Christians will go to church, live out their ignorant lives, tend to their own families and communities, live a good, decent, and conservative life. Then more of them will come along to replace them. Meanwhile, the Jewish revolutionaries in the mainstream media - what happens to them? What happens to all their money? Their vast fortunes? Well, reality intervenes to discredit their theories. The cognitive dissonance between their media and reality grows larger every year. Reality intervenes to make their vast fortunes worthless. Then they start to die off and lose coherence because they have become separated from the institutions of their own community. Then one day the Christians will move into all the property the Jews left behind. Because the Christians will still be around. The Orthodox Jews will be around. But the ideologues, they won’t be around anymore.
As I said above, the South isn’t ideological. Instead, it is religious. So, unlike France and Germany, where Jacques Derrida and Jean Paul Sartre and Jurgen Habermas are venerated, destructive secular intellectuals aren’t as venerated here as they are elsewhere. We have greater immunity to them. In New England, they think Paul Krugman is divine. Most people here would disagree with the idea that university professors are smarter than ordinary people. Actually, the wisest people in this society often turn out to be the biggest fools. Do you read the NY Times?
Laughs. What’s the actual figure? 57 percent of blacks are so live in the South. Doesn’t that mean that there are fewer blacks here, proportionately speaking, than there was 100 years ago? As for the mulattos, they will be absorbed into the black population - like generations of mulattos before them. It’s a Yankee fantasy that the South will turn completely black. The South has always had to deal with negroes and here we are after 400 years of dealing with them. OTOH, the Yankees themselves can’t stop moving here for some reason. They are moving en masse to North Carolina to Georgia to Florida to Texas. If Linder had it right, then White people should be flocking to Michigan and Washington. That’s Harold’s theory. What is the actual number? 300,000 or so Californians moved to Texas and Oklahoma from 2007 to 2010. How many people moved to Washington to join Harold’s Northwest Front? Fanatical dedication and ideological rigor are sine qua non in defeating the jew. And you can’t get those qualities at Piggly Wiggly. All right. After 10 years of fanatical dedication and ideological rigor, I ought to be able to come to Kirksville to see the defeat of the Jews. 298
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 12:48 AM | #
Bingo. We have a winner. The jews enemies aren’t defeated, they no longer exist. They’re extinct. And they’re working on the same for us. But oh no, we must never even hint at the same for them. That’s crazy talk! You kiddie-clowns, not one of you with the balls to run your lies under real names while yapping about me being abnormal, many of you with more personas than sybil, not a friggin’ clue in the world who you actually are or what you believe, would, if you had any integrity, meet my “death to the jews” head on. For although that line is rhetoric, of course, the idea that jews must be exterminated to defend our race permanently is not. It is nothing more or less than bringing a gun to a gunfight. It is my considered intellectual opinion, formed on the basis of close reading (and as deep thought as I can muster) of E. Michael Jones’ two giant tomes about jewish radicalism and 2,000 years of jew-goy relations. I believe it’s the only rational conclusion an honest man studying the material can come to. As such, it simply must be put on the table. Our cause is that serious. The funny thing here is at least two of you jokers actually were literal nazis, or adopted that persona, whereas I myself have never been such. Nowhere is there a picture of me, as there is of Duke, wearing Nazi gear, because I’m not one. I believe in a racial dictatorship combined with a diversity of microstates, and I would prefer to in the most libertarian one that can be devised. And that has been my position from day one: racial dictatorship + decentralization for non-racial matters. Who is serious here, me or you? The answer is obvious. 299
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 01:04 AM | # The planes caused the fire so they were instrumental in the collapse. I bet that designer doesn’t believe someone could have just walked up to the WTC with a box of matches and set the thing crashing. 1) it doesn’t matter what a designer says now, it has been established beyond reasonable doubt that the buildings were demolished. The planes did not bring them down, and that is a matter beyond debate. 2) walking up to the WTC and setting it on fire with matches is pretty much exactly what happened to building #7. The larger point, of course, was that experts can err. It doesn’t matter what the designers thought (assuming they in fact thought what you claim); it matters what the real world demonstrated. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the recipe. Exactly. But as is usually and normally the case, and was the case in this case, the expert was right, he did calculate correctly, and his building did withstand what it had been designed to withstand. The real world demonstrated that the building survived the plane crashes and the fires, but were subsequently demolished by pre-set explosives. The rest of your stuff is I guess interesting, thanks for it anyway. 300
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 15, 2011, 01:27 AM | # The Linder Strategy is internally consistent and superficially plausible. The reason it disintegrates on impact with reality is that reality is more complex than the realm of logical abstractions within which the ideas are constructed. Linder’s correct in identifying the problem of intellectuals creating arbitrary complexity to sell books and secure sinecures, but he over-corrects by insisting that victory can be obtained with his simple polarization strategy. He then errs again in his his attempt to translate that abstract framework into practical application in the form of barking at Pat and Jared. The first problem is that a coherent polarization strategy requires that there be a coherent “pole”. There’s no institutional framework which constitutes Linder’s pole, save for an Internet forum. Were this strategy being performed by a viable and active organization like the defunct National Alliance, it could potentially be a valuable strategy in a quiver of strategies. And even if one had a pole around which to polarize, there’s the tactical consideration of considering the ideal targets of one such strategy. Linder apparently defines anybody who fails to be anti-Jew as a potential target and anybody who fails to be pro-White as a potential target. At this early stage in the process, the lowest priority targets can and should be those closest to him: namely anti-White anti-Jewish targets (pro-Palestinian types, anti-Zionist types, Audit the Fed activists, etc…) and pro-White pro-Jewish targets (Taylorites). At this stage, the ideal targets of critique are anti-White pro-Jewish “conservatives” of the sort plaguing America like locusts. Exposing the daylight between their position and the best interest of their constituents is easy and useful work which polarizes the issue in the desired direction with fewer externalities. This is not to say that we should pretend to agree with those we disagree with. It’s a tactical refinement of Linder’s “ready…fire” approach to aiming his “attacks”. Those who are pro-White but incorrect on the JQ are best dealt with through attraction and persuasion rather than through polarizing “You’re with me or against me!” rhetoric. This sort of polarization both imperils Race Realism’s utility as a gateway and squanders resources which could be invested in more useful attacks on neocons. Having arrived where I’m at through the Taylorite gateway, I join thousands of other Jew-wise WNs in confirming that its utility as a “gateway” is very real. Lukewarm race realist organizations aren’t soaking up political capital that needs to be liberated through slaughtering them. They have no political capital, just people who drifted from the center and who will continue drifting towards us if we get our institutional affairs in order. The people who remain at that point do so because they perceive those organizations to be more likely vehicles for accomplishing our goals than our vehicle—not an unreasonable conclusion. This brings us back to our lack of an effective institutional vehicle. Had NA surmounted its challenges and grown, it would doubtlessly be a relevant political force at this point. We could have injected our position into the national debate while demonstrating with real world activism that we’re a credible alternative to the existing elites. Obviously, we’re not. And I believe not only that there are opportunities for effective organization, but that there are more and more of those opportunities with every passing year. GLR and WLP were doomed to be mere torch-bearers because they fought the fight in the wrong decades. Our invasive elites were able to achieve decades of false prosperity through currency manipulations and fleecing of sovereign foreign governments which made resistance seem unnecessary: the regime’s system appeared to be working. That’s no longer the case, and the regime is hemorrhaging legitimacy at an historically unprecedented rate. Because we have no vehicle, the libertarian ideologues and other competing groups are soaking up the fuel we’re up to our knees in. There’s still plenty of time, and our people will eventually abandon Tea Party hacks and libertarian ideologues as illegitimate as well. But our cardinal concern is constructing a pro-White vehicle capable of challenging the Jewish oligarchy. It’s more vulnerable than it looks. There’s a very well-worn historical pattern here, that of the masses reaching a breaking point and rallying behind a previously marginalized vanguard who’ve proven themselves to be the most authentic representatives of their true welfare. The Bolivarian/Pink Wave masses in Latin America reached a breaking point after decades of being tricked by sleazeball American puppets. In response, they’ve rallied behind previously disempowered radicals who had fought for them before fighting for them was cool. The NS followed this pattern. The Maoists followed this pattern. But in order to win, we have to actually show up for our historical moment. We have to construct a coherent political vehicle staffed with reliable and reliably radical advocates for our people. I believe Linder’s strategy is thoughtful but fatally flawed. I believe he’s a comrade, but one whose flawed strategy results in a malinvestment of his considerable talents. If he were to apply his wit, energy, and excellent radio presence to hosting a regular program that attacked the very system he’s a refugee from, he would suck more political capital from the groups he’s currently targeting than he is with his current approach. As he’s the first to note, the best way to attract is to be more attractive, and a lively and charismatic radio show promoting his position would do more to evaporate the lukewarm puddles and polarize the discourse in his direction than continuing the tired and ineffectual Internet trolling shtick. Just sayin’ 301
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 01:28 AM | # For anyone who doesn’t want to don the pleated skirt and get in the anonymous-fangirl line to blow Buchanan, here’s a workable strategy for achieving White victory in the US. Linder’s Strategy: Attack the Conservatives http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98966 [Patsy Decline has been on tv for forty years, and in the major papers even longer. During that time the US has gone from fifties America to the stuff you see around you today. If Patsy had the answer, it would have been evident at some point. You’d think his picking of a pickaninny to be his VP would be enough to get even the dullest racialist to realize he’s not one of us, but that would be to underestimate just how dull these racialists can be.] 302
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 15, 2011, 02:03 AM | # FB seemed like he was making sense, then he embarrassed himself by dropping this in public: “Looking at the facts, it’s far more likely that Linder works for “the Jews” than that neocons did 9/11 and other similar boring bullshit. “ Talk about “boring bullshit.” 303
Posted by Wandrin on September 15, 2011, 02:10 AM | #
They’re insane. They bring their kids up to believe the whole world wants them dead and that leads them into a state of endless war with whoever is unfortunate enough to be their current host. There’s no benefit to *not* being against them because their destructiveness isn’t rational anyway. .
Jews could stop being a destructive menace simply by not bringing their children up to believe the whole world wants to dance in their blood. All we need is for them to go away which is a viable option now with DNA testing. 304
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 15, 2011, 02:14 AM | # Linder,
Up until this recent episode, Jews have been little more than a mere nuisance to Western elites. This is the very first time that their GES has threatened the existence of any race. Were this a simple matter of “exterminate them or you’re exterminated” then your solution would follow. But it’s not necessary or appropriate to pursue that goal, as a competent elite would relegate them back to being a mere nuisance nipping at our heels from afar. An elite so decadent as to sell its civilization to the highest bidder will find a bidder and if the Grabblers are gone, another alien elite will jump in to do the job. The Pokemon Strategy would require an epic global approach where we would first have to conquer the entire world in order to wield the power necessary to catch them all. Even then, a large subset can and will disappear into the gentile population and remain dormant only to flare up in a more virulent form later. It’s a fool’s errand. It’s unrealistic. It’s an empty rhetorical position which empowers you to look strong relative to those who aren’t willing to take that position. We don’t need to mirror the Jewish strategy to win (though we can certainly pick up some piecemeal tactics from observing them). I object to a genocidal approach to the problem on moral grounds, but I think it’s important to note that this line of thinking and speaking is nonsensical even in a moral vacuum. 305
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 15, 2011, 03:57 AM | # On the American culture front - I don’t hate Americans guys. I lived in the US for a few years mainly in the Upper-Midwest and the Euro-Americans I encountered were generally decent and good people (and in many ways in a more robust state when compared to the, now, quite awful British). I only really disliked the ghastly NYC (but that’s neither here nor there I guess). Of course there are many intelligent Americans and the free-speech values are, of course, to be admired when compared to Europe. But average ‘everyday’ people did seem massively ill-informed/naive on almost any serious topic and the wider world - you know the soccer-moms genuinely ‘worried’ about Arabs wanting to destroy the little town they live in etc. Plus the whole religious thing just left me cold, especially the anti-evolution crowd. When I am critical of America it is much more at an ideological level - the hyper-liberal, ultra-individualistic ‘propositional nation’ stuff (i.e. an inorganic social-engineering project founded upon liberalism) which I think is deeply problematic. 306
Posted by Robert Reis on September 15, 2011, 04:46 AM | # Many people believe they saw the second plane hit the WTC on live TV. http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=IranContraScumDid911#p/u/0/Ta6QTSixc24 They didn’t. 307
Posted by orion on September 15, 2011, 05:00 AM | #
They’ve been more than a “mere nuisance” for a while. http://songlight-for-dawn.blogspot.com/2009/07/jewish-radanite-slave-traders-of-arab.html Jews in Poland: A Documentary History: The Rise of Jews as a Nation from Congressus Judaicus in Poland to the Knesset in Israel by Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski (Hippocrene Books, New York, 1998) *the book can be downloaded in its entirety here: http://avaxhome.ws/ebooks/history_military/0781806046.html
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Posted by Matt Parrott on September 15, 2011, 05:07 AM | # orion, I didn’t mean to imply that their crimes have historically been benign or acceptable. What I’m arguing is that this is the first time the threat has been existential. 309
Posted by anon11111 on September 15, 2011, 05:49 AM | #
As I pointed out above, those types are frequently more critical of Jewish power than a lot of “White nationalists” out there. What, are they supposed to want to come over to our side so that someone like you can call them cranks for thinking it was something a little stronger than jet fuel that turned the WTC towers into dust, or admonish them not to criticize Israel too harshly lest we be perceived as hypocrites? Do you think they’re really going to look at the “alternative right” that you love to promote as a step up from where they’re already at?
I see little evidence of this. Hardcore WN sites are way more popular than the boring, watered down AmRen shit. I also don’t see a lot of evidence that they do much outreach, or that they are making any inroads into the mainstream. Yet they frequently lecture more serious WN that they have the correct strategy. Outside the WN ghetto, you’ll see Jew-namers like Kevin MacDonald and David Duke mentioned far more often than Jared Taylor. What does Jared Taylor gain by defending Jews? Discussing the Jewish root of our problems would actually probably increase his popularity. He is clearly trying to steer Whites who are developing racial consciousness away from an understanding of Jews, not towards it.
You mean like the “alternative right”, which is neither explicitly pro-White nor critical of Jews? Yes, I agree that they are ideal targets. 310
Posted by Leon Haller on September 15, 2011, 06:24 AM | # With a few exceptions (on this thread, eg, Hunter Wallace, perhaps Graham Lister, odious though I find his mockery of the faithful), “you people” are so far removed from American normality (let alone the wet blankets in Europe) that these types of discussions remind me of the caged zoo scenes from the recent Rise of the Planet of the Apes (fun movie if you missed it). Americans can’t even get their Republican leaders to demand that Obama stop procrastinating on deportation of illegal aliens, and you think declaring war on Jews and conservatives is the path to victory. Oy vey! 311
Posted by john on September 15, 2011, 06:33 AM | # At the Toronto Conference I was surprised to hear what Kevin Ryan said about thermite: So it looks they are moving towards the D.E.W. hypothesis taken by Judy Wood. 312
Posted by john on September 15, 2011, 07:05 AM | # Toronto Hearings: 313
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 07:48 AM | #
This is the most profoundly stupid and dangerous idea I can imagine. The Jewish damage to the White race is at least as old as Christianity, and is clearly a reflection of it. It is perfectly illustrated by the following statement:
While acknowledging that our race is under existential threat, this person concludes that it would be immoral for us to reciprocate. The holder of such a view is paralyzed. Again: This is the most profoundly stupid and pathetic idea I can imagine. Like Christianity itself, it is a guarantee of enslavement. It is the ennoblement of cowardice and passivity. It is disgusting and I am humiliated to by its advocates claims to be members of my race. This sentiment is identical to that which has been expressed by Leon Haller in his description of race war as immoral. Nothing Is More Moral Than Race War. Nature demands it, and any subspecies that is unfit to acknowledge that demand will rightfully be erased from the pages of history. I hope its not us, but there is little room for hope, when one considers the kind of pathetic tripe currently being parroted by some who posture as our racial advocates. 314
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 08:10 AM | # Believing that it is immoral to kill someone who is in the process of killing you is equivalent to believing that your existence is immoral. As crazy as this sounds, this is the “crux” of Christianity and the notion of Original Sin. This is the struggle against the struggle for survival. It’s Jewish. It’s Satanic. It’s spiritual poison. Any race of people who endorse it will die. 315
Posted by Thorn on September 15, 2011, 08:22 AM | #
Leon can speak for himself but the way I understand Leon’s message is he believes nothing of the sort. He himself expressed over and over again the solution to our problem will and must come down to a military one. What we must acknowledge is the memes of the Mulicult and white-guilt et al. has become the dominant social theme in Western Culture. Hence, whilst recruiting folks to our side we must keep in mind the potential recruits regard genocide, or even language that raises the spectre of genocide, repellent. Therefore recruiting tactics must be refined. A more subtle approach yields more fruit, IMO. If the seeds are planted correctly, the recipient of such will, most likely, seek out the truth and come to their own conclusions about the JQ. Conversely, trying to force an ideology on people invariably causes them to reflexively reject it ... especially one so unpopular as anti-Semitism. 316
Posted by Thorn on September 15, 2011, 09:34 AM | # “There is no 9/11 debate. On the one hand there are credentialed experts who demonstrate problems in the official account, and on the other hand there are non-experts who denounce the experts as conspiracy kooks. The experts are cautious and careful about what they say, and their detractors have thrown caution and care to the wind. That is the state of the debate.”—Paul Craig Roberts http://www.vdare.com/articles/911-truth-critics-do-they-have-a-case 317
Posted by Lew on September 15, 2011, 11:00 AM | # I don’t think Matt is dismissing self-defense as a genocidal approach; however, the idea that we can beat these people without using their methods seems very dubious. It’s akin to fighting with one hand tied behind your back. There is an obvious moral difference between self-defense by any means necessary with existence on the line and genocide. And then there is another matter: whether it is ultimately necessary or not, they deserve to have their methods used against. I favor self-defense and then leveling the scales if we ever obtain state power and secure our existence. There is no moral problem with either position 318
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 12:36 PM | #
Thorn: Apparently, Leon CAN’T speak for himself because he’s in the process of re-structuring his life around the pursuit of a graduate degree in Theology, which is somehow supposed to be instrumental to our racial cause, which to me, is the equivalent of imagining that Leon is somehow going to be able to bend over even more deeply and grab his Ivy League ankles firmly enough to finally consummate the Jewish lust for cultural sodomy. I can’t produce a verbatim quote from Leon because the thread in which our exchange took place is probably about a year old. I know with certainty that he characterized race war as immoral, and I know with certainty that he used the precise words “immoral race war”. I also remember my response to him which I have quoted verbatim: “There is nothing more moral than race war” Multiplying the equation through by (-1), I obviously feel that nothing is more immoral than anti-racist war, and from a White racial perspective, no war (excepting the subsequent war of discourse) was more anti-racist than WWII. 319
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 15, 2011, 12:57 PM | # Jimmy, I wrote…
Did you not see that? Lew,
We’re not them. We can’t simply start doing what they do because we have different strengths, weaknesses, and inclinations. I endorsed borrowing tactics from opponents. But if we must truly become them in our thought processes and behaviors in order to defeat them, then are we not forfeiting everything but blood? What’s the point of slaying dragons if you do it by becoming one? 320
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 12:57 PM | # Lew:
I’m strongly opposed to this idea. Our survival would be meaningless to me if we were to accomplish it through further transformation into an extended Jewish phenotype. Neither do I believe, that it’s possible for our race to ever out-deceive Jewry. Despite my many disagreements with him, I believe Ivan is/was correct in his understanding of this matter.
I’m not sure I understand your sentiment correctly, but I either disagree or sense the possibility of an overlooked analogy between individual self-defense and racial defense. If murder is justifiable as self-defense, genocide is justifiable as racial-defense. 321
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 01:07 PM | # Jesus, Matt, I can’t believe you and I expressed the same sentiment at exactly the same time (4:57). If you really believe we shouldn’t imitate Jewish deceptivity, why do you hold hands with your enemies? 322
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 01:15 PM | # If the Jewish method is to kill us while lying that they love us, wouldn’t the Aryan reponse be to kill them while admitting we hate them? 323
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 01:33 PM | # Matt, A tendency I observe in your strategy is that rather than taking a principled position on controversial issues like the Holy Hoax, or the World Trade Center Demolition, you advocate the mimicry of sentiments that are calculated to garner the maximum amount of public support. If that’s not an imitation of Jewish methodology, I don’t know what is. 324
Posted by Lew on September 15, 2011, 01:38 PM | # Regarding Jewish methods for maintaining power, we can certainly borrow tactics that have been proven to work without transforming ourselves into Jews. To clarify, that is all I meant. A hypothetical example for the distant future would be something like making sure we never again surrender control of the power triangle, finance, politics and media. As for the broader moral issue, I see our collective situation as one of self-defense and one that gives us an unassailable moral justification for using every option appropriate to a self defense situation. 325
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 01:49 PM | #
All christians are spirit-queers. Homosexuals of the spirit, if not the flesh. Of course, many of them are flesh queers too, especially the priests. Just one of the many, many queer cabals merrily operating inside the catholic church (Miami) 326
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 01:54 PM | #
Exactly. It’s a little thing called style. 327
Posted by Dasein on September 15, 2011, 02:04 PM | # Not quite verbatim. Jimmy, your faulty memory cost me ~1 minute with Google Here’s the comment to which I assume you refer: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/one_more_china_entry/#c104536 328
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 02:28 PM | #
I’ve never understood why WN who remain stupid christians don’t pick up on this and run with it. You can see the argument lines easily: god created the world/evolution/whatever so that 99% of species that ever existed are now extinct. And then, as I had in our Aryan Alternative, a pic of Dershowitz on a particularly ratty day, “Let’s add one more!” Because that’s how god wants. The neat thing about godd is, anyone can speak for him and He never interrupts. What is the least christian being on earth? An Aryan baby. 329
Posted by anon / uh on September 15, 2011, 02:36 PM | #
Naive, naked, defenseless — that is the Christian ideal itself. Lest ye be as children and all that. Here’s my vote: the digger wasp.
... don’t ask me how we can apply this behavior to our struggle lolzolzolzozlolozlzolzozllozlzolzzzlolz 330
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 02:55 PM | #
No. Ok, say a two-year-old. You know what I mean. Don’t play lawyerball. Children like strength, not weakness. It is the goal of the church to put that weakness in them by instinlling the double clutch: morality. So that all the person thinks about is whether this or that is good or bad. All action is intrinsically immoral because it entails unintended consequences some of which are guaranteed to be bad. Thus the church’s teachings promote passivity. Jew ratlets are taught not about good or bad but about calculating angles and questioning motives. That’s why the jews always win, and the christians lose and pay for it with lives and taxes. Also, the idea that children are naturally innocent is ridiculous. Children dissimulate almost from the time they’re born. Children are just really small people to whom everything is new. They’re not radically different in character from adults, they’re exactly the same. If the church didn’t teach that weakness and what it calls love are good, the ideas would never occur naturally to an Aryan. Christian ‘love’ is a disorder, and our social order today reflects that disorder. If I go to a christ box and tell the obese woman operating it to stop importing Somalis into my neighborhood, you’re messing things up, she has the full force of the social world to back in her in calling me a “hater.” 331
Posted by Smith on September 15, 2011, 03:15 PM | #
Oh, sure—like Godefroy de Bouillon, or Leon Degrelle. Like the Klan. Buncha pussies, right Linder? What do you think of the Klan, anyway? 332
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 15, 2011, 03:25 PM | # Nice link on the rancid Miami Catholics. Just how corrupt is institutional Christianity? In a word - VERY! All this Catholic talk is bringing out my inner Prod/Orange man. No Pope of Rome! Hang the Pope with an orange rope! The cry was No Surrender! We’ll fight and don’t surrender 333
Posted by Smith on September 15, 2011, 03:35 PM | # The Orangemen! Not exactly defenseless babes in the woods. 334
Posted by anon / uh on September 15, 2011, 03:40 PM | #
Give an Italian-American a break, Graham. 335
Posted by Smith on September 15, 2011, 03:44 PM | # Christian-bashing by WNs makes no sense to me—there’s fine WNs, Prod/Catholic/Orthodox, or what have you. I had the same views as Linder when I was like 19. Then I grew up. 336
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 15, 2011, 04:03 PM | # Sorry anon/uh I have no problem with Italians (or any other European nation) but I can’t help being a ‘cultural’ Protestant! On balance I’d say original sin is a more realistic starting point for human conduct rather than the utopian nonsense of Rousseau and original virtue. And as much I joke about Catholicism it is rather better than Voodoo, Wicca, and aging new-age hippies pretending to be druids. As we seem to have been joined at MR in recent days by a number of alleged homosexuals, I was reminded of this pop group that, I believe, are rather popular in the ‘gay’ community. Remember it’s a sin! Personally I’m an agnostic (for, in my view, very good philosophical reasons) but can’t help liking this and this. 337
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 15, 2011, 04:11 PM | # Rather more seriously there shouldn’t, in my view, be any kind of religious ‘test’ (either way) for people wishing to partake in post-liberal ethnocentric politics - broad churches and big tents hold more people - except for everyone’s ‘favourite’ minority, obviously. 338
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 04:12 PM | #
Thank you, Dasein. I searched for a couple of minutes, but did not find it. It’s a funny story. I was embarrassed because not only had I made a typographical error by omitting the word “more”, I replicated the error a half dozen times. The interesting thing I think I remember about this incident is that Søren and I discussed this quote shortly afterward on MR Radio and I inferred from what he said that he had taken the trouble to correct my mistake. I see now that I was mistaken yet again. What the heck do we pay these Grammar Nazi, Admins for? Oops! For what, do these Grammar Nazi, Admins think we pay them? 339
Posted by Dasein on September 15, 2011, 04:23 PM | #
Robert, are you a no-planer? 340
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 15, 2011, 04:30 PM | # Jimmy,
I’m not a Truther, Birther, or Deather. My position on Denial is that the numbers have been exaggerated for political effect, which is beyond the scope of mainstream discourse. It’s not enough for you, but nothing would be. There’s a difference between being radical and being extreme. I’m consistently radical and principled but not necessarily always “extreme”. Besides, Birtherism and Trutherism are wildly popular among our target audience and are much more mainstream than advocating for a White American ethnostate. The path of least resistance would have been to go along with the whole “Where’s the birth certificate?” thing.
I prefer a cool and calculated approach where those between me and the ethnostate are enemies and those who aren’t between me and self-determination are not my enemies. There’s nothing “alpha” or “sexy” about the sort of impotent rage and the spittle-flecked tantrums that pass for “radical” in these circles. Think more “Wrath of the Awakened Saxon” and less Lewis Black. 341
Posted by anon11111 on September 15, 2011, 04:45 PM | # New footage of WTC7 with explosions plainly visible (skip to around 0:40): 342
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 05:10 PM | #
It’s an overall, general, comprehensive strategy, not one of number. It’s one you would take as opposed to taking another. As I’ve said 500x, and you are welcome to answer, give me the IC strategy. The tacit strategy being pursued by the safe-n-legal, normal-democractic-electoral crowd. How do you propose we get from where we are today to White sovereignty? I don’t want any glib Parrotting as you’re a little to wont to do. Give me a serious 2-3 paragraph layout of how we do it, or explain why we can’t. Yes, you’re 100% right about us not having the pole. But it begins with the right ideology, the right definition of who we are. Until we have that, we don’t have anything. And you guys who lump antis like Jared Taylor and conservatives like Edwards into our side are quite wrong to do say. They are System conservatives - our enemy, not our ally, not us. Buchanan, their holy figure, is not us. The idea that I have to tell racialists that a Catholic who believes racialism is immoral and selects a female black for his running partners is in fact not a White nationalists is past irony, isn’t it? But I sure do have to, don’t I? So, yes, there is no institutional framework for the White pole, but it’s even worse than that. There’s no agreemen who “we” are. So of course the rest of it can’t exist. Just a herd of dueling dung beetles each trying to roll a bigger ball than the next.
No, that’s not a problem at all. I described exactly how to do it. If you know who YOU are, who WE, are, then by definition and common understanding you know who the enemy are. I’m calling into question here that people traditionally thought to be on our side are NOT on our side, and that bothers people because they 1) haven’t thought about it; 2) don’t like me; 3) do like the people I say aren’t us. It’s all just personal touchy-feely stuff, with no one seeing any need to be clear and precise and ideological. But when I force the question to the surface, I get no good answers. Hell, even a friendliist like Parrott concedes the strategy could work. I just wish some of you would think. I seldom write about my past or what I know directly, but I’m not kidding when I say, you people are not using Buchnan, he’s using you. You don’t have enough faith in yourself or your cause. At the end of the day, it’s just a joke and big tv star Buchanan is the real thing and who are we kidding. Like I say in the essay, if Buchanan can get the job done, why do white people need us? Is it not evident after 100 years of failure that conservatism cannot defend our race? How did Buchanan treat Duke? Just like the jews did at the AmRen conference - he attacked him. But still we get these glazed, fixed, kumbaya smiles from too many of you people. Are we on the same side as Buchanan? No. We are not.
Quite right. You polarize by forcing people to choose. And you make the split one you can win on. You like fags? jews? multicult? niggers? mexicans? bureaucrats? warmongering? minority welfare? hip-hop? drive-bys? abortions? - then side with the judeo-left. You like white people? normal sex? self-control? minding our own business internationally? low taxes? - then vote for the White party. We get that split, we win it. But in our way are the conservatives, who are defined as the people who believe that categorical solutions to simple problems are immoral. The professional conservatives are indeed professionals. They win elections. They are very good at what they do. They are very good at simulating they believe the same things we do in order to win elections. But we know all they actually care about are their own power and perks. So if we are the real thing, we will not get anywhere unless we bust up these don’t-mean-its, from Buchanan on down. Because the media will always back even a Buchanan over the real thing (Duke). The System will sustain itself by protecting itself, and gelded conservatives, to be redundant, are every bit as much a part of the White-oppressive System as nigger welfare recipients and jewish warmongers. Buchanan is the bushel over our White light. Get the right-wing conservatives out of the way, then suddenly Whites are the option to the hated judeo-left. Then we’re getting somewhere. Because unlike the Buchanans, we actually mean what we say. The point is, if we think like this, we know exactly who our enemies are, and we know how to attack them (as fakes, liars, opportunists and career girls). We must drive the can’t-say-thats and the don’t-mean-its off the world stage and make way for Whites.
Look Matt, if I may. If there’s one fundamental characteristic of the right, it’s weakness. The way we treat the gelded right is simple: we just bulldoze them. That’s how the jews do it. And they win every time. They treat the right like shit, and it comes crawling back, eager to lick their hand and fetch sticks for them. Well, let these cowardly pups lift their leg to us. How are we ever going to take on the jews if we grin and bat our eyes at weaklings like Buchanan?
No, you’re simply wrong about that. It is always a mistake to ‘appeal’ to weak people. Rather you overawe them into submission. You ‘appeal’ to their natural gutlessness by bulldozing them. And what the hell? Let their fear lead where our minds have already gone. We’re right. They just need to shut up and get on board. They can figure out why we’re right later, like an abducted bride. But again, look how the winners do it. Do they stir up fear and anger? Yes. Do they denounce anyone who’s not on their side as a (bad guy)? Yes. Does their way work? Yes. So why do we losers focus on ‘appealing’ to people and ‘reasoning’ with unreasoning masses? Ordinary people can easily figure out who’s right: whoever is stronger. If there is one clear determined unforgiving unswayable force out there on the right - it will be the only one. It will move thru the rest like butter. It will attract a hell of a lot to its side, and scare the rest into submission. That’s what we want. We put pressure on the weaklings, they will curl up and go away/under, or find strength inside and join us. Strong men and the right strategy will get us what we want. Right now we’re lacking strong men. We have lot of smart men, but most of them, still, are confused. I write to clarify things for these smart, confused men.
You wouldn’t have to attack neocons if you were an honest White rather than playing around with faggotry like ‘alt-right.’ That’s a good example of what I’m saying. Being neither here nor there naturally appeals to someone like you who think he is (and actually is) clever, but it’s a losing strategy. In fact, it’s not a political strategy at all, it’s a personal career strategy and a fundraising strategy. [Matt, there’s a Nazi essay, translated at calvin.edu, that nails your type. I’ll dig it up when I can. There is a very fundamental difference between true change parties and bourgeois conservatives. This difference tends to be disguised because the two groups make a lot of the same complaints about the way things are going.]
We won’t lose any of that by bashing them, we’ll speed it up. Same with Buchanan. We’ll get all the benefits of whatever half-awakening they provide while ourselves appear and be stonger as their mockers and attackers. We’ll point out their punch-pulling pussiness. We’ll make them serve us as we’ve served them all these years. If you don’t think that Buchanan uses us more than we use him, you’re deeply wrong. It’s funny that the people who defend Buchanan actually have less respect for him than they should, because they don’t understand what he’s actually doing.
Eh…a very big maybe on that one. Remember, Parrott, how you were scoffing at my claim that enemy action is the reason Whites failed to organize in the 20th century, and continues to be the main problem we face - a technical, not a political or philosophical problem? NA’s Doles had local meetings of up to 200 people. He was busted and his local group destroyed purely because he was proving effective. But as with most safeists, you’re blaming the NA for its own demise. Now, in other ways that is true (Gliebe mismanagement), but under its real leader Pierce, the NA’s most effective units were neutered by the feds - who spent millions on it. So don’t be all glibby-glib as you too often are. In fact, as I believe you’re organizing some of the Whos down in Hoosierville, you more than anyone should pay quadruply close attention to stuff like Doles. I don’t know if I’d make it a formal rule, but it’s pretty close to true that if you are allowed to organize, what you’re organizing does not threaten the System. The only caveat is that the FBI likes to let things run a good while to take their full measure before starting the dirty tricks. 343
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 05:24 PM | #
I agree. But activism outside of a national vehicle pursuing a roadmap has very limited usefulness. I actually believe if you could get a charismatic veteran with hundreds of troops willing to kill and die for the cause, and you pursued the strategy above, you would attract millions, as the Tea Party has, and you could pretty much duplicate the remarkable success of those other people in that other country. Radical separation from conservatism is the only way that can work. We must be jealous. You’re either with us, fully, or you’re our hated enemy. Isn’t it funny? Even we supposed hard-core “Nazis” are at bottom just a bunch of pussies: we can’t keep a hard line. We can’t even separate verbally, rhetorically and politically - VIRTUALLY - from the limpdick right. Eh, whatever. If X believes jews are whites, that’s cool man. If Y believes, well, no jews aren’t white, but we can still be friends and party together, that’s cool too, man. In fact the only thing that’s NOT cool is someone insisting that, yes, it really does matter whom we consider our friend, and whom our enemy. He’s the bad guy, for crissakes. My god. It’s not like we don’t have 100 years of conservative failure and 20 years of Nazi success in Germany staring us right in the face. That doesn’t mean we have to be nazis or call ourselves nazis, just that we ought to copy their techniques in dealing with jews where we can, since the jews used the same techniques yesterday against Germans they use against Americans and Europeans today. It is pathetic that I need to explain this. But no, no, what and who individuals “like” is all that matters. If it feels good, do it. Bunch of hippies, we are. Where has this brainlessness ever led? Nowhere. Why not try something different from what traditional conservatism has offered, since traditional conservatism has 100% record of failure? Why not step outside the box and try something truly radical? Something principled and ideological, instead of mushy and personal? My god, it might actually work.
Yes, it is. But unlike the libertarians White organizing is suppressed by the System. If you don’t know this now, you will learn it soon enough. To hint that those before you were buffoons is very, very foolish - they were not buffoons. They were taken down by illegal means, just as Pierce’s Doles’s was.
And that begins by identifying who we are and who is the enemy, and what we demand. Otherwise the vehicle will be taken over by jews we took in as allies and they will redirect it to their racial destination.
You didn’t identify any flaws in the strategy. You pointed out that the vehicles and men we need to execute the strategy are not in place. Which is correct. And why I wrote in the first place - to stimulate the imagination as to what is possible by showing a different way of doing that actually can work, unlike the keep-doing-what-we’ve-done conservatism that everyone else is following, except NSM. 344
Posted by n/a on September 15, 2011, 06:53 PM | # “They didn’t.” I did. I had on CNBC and I remember quite distinctly noticing the plane coming in as it happened. As expected, my memory is right and Robert Reis is wrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G124C6RGKMQ (7:54). 345
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 07:03 PM | #
I remain willing to travel to Kirksville to witness a public demonstration of the polarization strategy. This can easily be arranged, I think.
Except ... for the fact that Linder himself won’t try it out in Kirksville.
Having radically separated from Christianity and conservatism, I remain eager to see the divine Linder’s following in Kirksville, as well as practice of the polarization strategy in Kirksville among, presumably, the constituency that is being organized by this strategy. Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer won with 77.7 percent in Missouri 9 which should include Kirksville. http://elections.nytimes.com/2010/results/house
Anyone can bark at the Jews.
Taylor and Edwards are Southern conservatives - the former could talk to almost anyone in Virginia, and the latter could talk to almost anyone in Tennessee. OTOH, Linder cannot talk to anyone in Missouri without coming across as madder than Lindstedt. 347
Posted by Lew on September 15, 2011, 07:25 PM | # Mr Linder: The above content is interesting and prose style dazzling. I wish there some an alternative to the AMREN / CMS / ALT-RIGHT / A3P axis. The subset of the nationalist community for which like the NSM is not a good a fit have no where to go. The only game in town, whatever other great work they may do, tolerates Jews. 348
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 07:29 PM | #
Why exactly do we need another failed “national” organization? How about a state and local organization that actually has a grassroots following? The Parrott has the right idea about a Hoosier Nation, but he saddles himself with the albatross of WN, which links him to people like Linder in the public mind.
Why did the Tea Party work? It is not hard to figure out. Unlike Linder, Tea Party activists can talk to people in their communities, show real sympathy for them, and connect with them. OTOH, Linder has declared war on Missouri 9.
Linder’s strategy is to separate from the only constituency in America that is amenable to our ideas. Conservatives are already there on most of the issues. They suffer from poor leadership in the Republican establishment ... but, conservatives in the Heartland hate the Rove and the Republican establishment. What does the Parrott think of that? Hey Parrott, are you going to win in Indiana by separating declaring Christians and conservatives the enemy, and listening to the divine Linder? How does “naming the Jew” work in Indiana? Is it a plus or a minus?
Barking at Jews really isn’t a hard line though when you think about it: it is taking an extreme rhetorical position and using it as a communication strategy which has proven to be a colossal failure. It doesn’t work in Kirksville and it certainly isn’t going to work in Indianapolis. Even Greg can see that it is a failure.
Is every Jew our enemy? Is every White person our friend?
Are there Jews who cause us problems? Are there Jews who attempt to marginalize us? Are their Jews who must be dealt with to restore race sanity in America? Absolutely. But what has Linder ever done about the problem? Except create jobs for hate bots here in Montgomery.
Linder can’t decide whether he is a Nazi or not. Originally, many of the people who call themselves “White Nationalists” started out openly embracing the Nazi label. George Lincoln Rockwell was a pioneer and trendsetter of this.
So you are a Nazi who doesn’t call yourself a Nazi? Why do you also presume that Nazi tactics can be translated to an American context? Isn’t America a very different place from Germany?
Are you describing VNN Forum?
You make it sound like you haven’t been doing this for ten years now in Kirksville.
The real obstacle is less a legal one that it is a discursive one: the dominance of stupidity and buffoonery on the internet, which sadly lays exclusive claim to the label “pro-White.” If “pro-White” is to succeed, it must be put on a new foundation: the Rockwell foundation that was inherited by default in the late 1960s must be challenged.
Not at all. Jared Taylor is extremely talented. James Edwards is a good communicator. Sam Francis was a brilliant theorist. There has been a lot of good work done over the past 50 years by a handful of people.
All right. We need some kind of standard that can be reasonably used to distinguish friend from foe: I always evaluate people on the basis of whether they are a plus or a minus to advancing the objective of changing the discourse and making it easier to be “pro-White” and their efficacy at undermining the reigning taboos. By this standard, Linder is a minus. Leon Haller is a plus. Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan is a plus. James Edwards and Jared Taylor are a plus. The Parrott is a plus. Kevin MacDonald is a plus. Peter Brimelow is a plus. Greg is a minus outside of the “West Coast White Nationalism.” J Richards is a minus. HAC is a minus. No one is a bigger minus than Linder though.
Have you tried it before? Does it work? What are the results? That’s how you evaluate strategies and tactics ... you are a god damn fool if you believe strategy and tactics should be determined by ideology. You are confusing means with ends. Linder has no means whatsoever.
Linder points to the NSM as a great success story! God help us all! 349
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 07:32 PM | # Matt,
I don’t know what Truthers, Birthers and Deathers are, so I won’t comment, but being a Denier, I feel qualified to respond to your accusation. The numbers have not been exaggerated. They are an outright lie. By commonly accepted standards of jurisprudence, it is unprovable that ONE SPECIFIC person ever died in ONE SPECIFIC homicidal gas chamber as a result of ONE SPECIFIC order of the Third Reich. If something is unprovable in any specific case, it cannot be construed as generally true. It is a BIG LIE. To characterize zero as 6 Million is not an exaggeration. It is an outrageous lie and a malicious blood libel against our people. Please stop invoking it! 350
Posted by Sam Davidson on September 15, 2011, 08:00 PM | # Linder, I posted this as a comment on Counter-Currents in February: People always look at the WN movement and say, “See, if only we could act right – we’d gain influence.” Well, yes and no. The “lack” of leadership among White Nationalists is due to our political repression. Anyone that tries to actually organize is either killed or sent to prison. The lucky ones are simply ruined financially like Tom Metzger. (Some skinhead assaults an immigrant and the government blames someone like Metzger who never even met the man – a complete farce of justice.) Johnny Lee Clary became an anti-racist after he was arrested on bogus charges and found out his girlfriend was a police informant. Matt Hale earned a law degree and passed the bar, but was denied the ability to practice law – he’s in prison for allegedly soliciting murder. He’ll probably die in prison like the Order boys. It goes on and on. The only “leadership” we get left with are mostly the ineffectual types who do nothing but criticize their own movement along with the federal informants like Hal Turner and David Gletty – most of whom get thrown under the bus when ZOG decides they have outlived their usefulness. The topic of “why white nationalism has no decent political representatives” is worthy of an entire essay itself. (Short answer – whites are not allowed to organize themselves racially. It is de facto illegal. The recent AmRen conference is yet another example of this.) It’s pretty basic, ain’t it? 351
Posted by Lew on September 15, 2011, 08:30 PM | # Alex Linder:
The only way polarize is to convince people to choose your side and reject the other guy’s side of their own free will. There is no other option. Surely you must realize that is impossible to “force people to choose” anything unless you’re holding a gun? I mean, come on; that’s pretty basic, no? And, of course, you will never get the gun without a mass movement behind you, and you will never get a mass movement behind you by constantly attacking pretty much everyone who does not agree with you on all points. This is the strategic flaw IMO. You need the gun to “force people to choose,” and your “attack everyone” approach guarantees that you will never get it. 352
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 08:56 PM | #
You got it, Sam. And then when those who soft-pedal or abandon jew-crit are able to pull off events without problems, it strengthens the “we’re doing it to ourselves” lie - and it strengthens the belief that letting jews into our politics is the right way to go. It’s so, so easy from the outside to slip into the comfortable waters of assuming other White activists we read about getting punished “did it to themselves.” But it’s very often not true. I guess these people haven’t heard the line, “show me the man, i’ll show you the crime.” Anyone can be taken down ‘legally,’ that’s an absolute truth. And given the innate gullibility and belief in authority common to whites (and strengthened by church and states), it’s a standing temptation to the enemy to go beyond the law, knowing that even the man’s own friends will think him guilty, no matter how long and honest they’ve known him. That’s why you find things like the old man who shot the ‘holocaust’ museum accused of having child porn on his computer. Yeah. 89 years old. Insisting on character standards among our own, as best we can, even in the online world, is important. It weeds out the weak-minded, the easily turned, the susceptible to bribes and threats, the shapeshifters and the congenital liars. It’s why Eric Thomson says “principles protect people.” By the same token, as I’m harping on, absence of principles endangers people. Endangers them in a sea already fraught with dangers. Look at this very thread. Some of the most intelligent WN out there see buildings blown up in front of their faces and they can’t figure out what’s going on. If intelligent WN will believe so great a lie as ‘9/11’ or ‘the’ ‘holocaust,’ how are they going to doubt a much smaller one about some White activist? At some point, guys, we have to grow up. Get a little sophistication about the world. Rightists generally despise whining, complaining and bitching and moaning. They believe in blaming themselves and shutting up about their sufferings, just or unjust. The jews know this. And they know that in this way, as in so many others, we whites are our own worst enemy. We’re trained to defer to everybody else, including our wives, and keep our feelings inside. But all that does in White politics is play into the hands of jews and their compliant or paid servants Jared Taylor. They know they can make up lies, and too many of us will believe them. 353
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 09:08 PM | #
You’re being too literal re ‘force.’ The Republican Party doesn’t literally force people to vote for it. But if they want someone who supports any portion of normalcy and can actually get elected, the person is forced to vote for them, no matter how much he hates them and knows they won’t do what they say. Right now, the normal white man can vote Dem and get 100% of what he doesn’t want. He can vote Republican and get 95% of what he doesn’t want. Or he can vote Libertarian and get 100% of what he doesn’t want. So if he wants even a tiny percentage of what he wants, he’s forced to vote Rep because there’s no other option. Essentially Whites must replace the republicans in being where the normals are FORCED to turn if they want any portion of the normal agenda. You see what I’m saying? Christ, as well call the “we mean its” party. We lump in the stuff they like along with the racial stuff that might scare them. But really, party politics is not what to worry about right now - defining ourselves, our vehicle, and attracting support from men with guns willing to use them is where we should begin. If voting is all that matters, then would have already won. Indeed, we never would have lost. Brown vs Board wasn’t voted in, it was reverse-interpreted. All these votes from Alabama to Indiana to Arizona re illegals and benefis are voted exactly the way WN would have them voted. And judges just throw the ruling out. The enemy doesn’t follow the law. But we Whites are so weak we pretend the enemy’s ignoring the written rules means we just need to work harder appealing to people who already voted for what we want! Get a clue, Leon! Until we have the ability to punch back, we’re just going to keep getting punched. That’s where we are. Voting has almost nothing to do with it. We win more votes than we lose, if you look back over 50 years, yet only the enemy’s agend is ever enacted - never ours. Now what does that tell you, bright boys? We need a Hitler. What we have are Mississippi Leghounds, Virginia jew-fellators. Instead of the veterans of the SA we have Buchanan’s all-male drill team. “Pat! Pat! He’s our man! If he can’t do it, Jared can!” Whee? No. No whee. 354
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 09:09 PM | #
I don’t think so, Lew. I think you can force people to choose. You can’t control which way they will choose, but you can force them to choose by parsing them out when they claim they aren’t choosing. In other words, you can classify failure to choose as a choice, just like you can say anti-racism is a code word for anti-White. I think its plausible to view Alex’s question (are you with us or are you with the Jews?) as being like Horus the Avenger’s Iron Question (are you pro-White or are you pro-White-genocide?). If one can succeed, the other may triumph. 355
Posted by Lurker on September 15, 2011, 09:31 PM | # Jimmy - Ive sort of used that a few times. A nice liberal will say they dont care what colour the population is, what race immigrants are, you know the routine. That almost sounds like they really are ambivalent. So I reply “You’ll have no objections to an all white immigration policy effective immediately then? After all you said yourself, you dont care who gets in” something along those lines. They are then forced to explain exactly why they do in fact care after all. If they respond at all but at least the anti-white bias is laid bare in spite of the PC bluster. 356
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 09:46 PM | # Matt,
This sounds good, but many who have gone before you have learned to be more specific about the who is most likely to stand between you and your desire for an ethno-state. James Bowery is a perfect example, and I can’t imagine a more calculating contemporary, but listen carefully about his account of his advocacy for a Laboratory of States, which were not even racially based, and see who he names as becoming his immediate opposition. It seems to be less a matter of racialism and more about centralization vs. decentralization. Jews are the originators of monotheism, who can doubt where they will fall on a scale of centralization versus de-centralization? http://www.majorityrights.com/audio/BoweryRFM.2009-11-19.mp3 357
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 15, 2011, 09:59 PM | # Lurker, Good work. While you’ve not exactly forced them to choose, you’ve shown them that have, in fact, chosen. Same difference. 358
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 15, 2011, 10:18 PM | # Sam Davidson gets to the heart of the matter:
That’s the reality of the situation with our government. Lawyers who defend us get taken down too, just like the Holocaust revisionists in Europe. You think that’s bad, look what they did to Susan Lindauer for warning about 911 - 5 years in military prison on PATRIOT Act charges. 359
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 10:22 PM | #
Decentralization is the only truly White politics there is. But the catch is, it only works for White internal politics. The other races have too much to gain from eating us—digger-wasping—us to allow us to go our own way. Notice how all the campaigns against racist evil never say anything about kicking racists out of the country, or putting them on reservations? That’s a hint that by racists they mean whites - all of them, as Whitaker is associated with emphasizing. It’s a dirty synonym. It also shows at some level they recognize no whitey no workee. Whole machinee come to stopee. The state is outmoded except for certain types of violence. The only things whites need out of government is collective racial defense. Nothing else. For the rest, private, voluntary arrangements are enough. Lewrockwell.com has proved this, and the quality of their contributors is higher than most of what we see in racialism. But of course their ideas can’t be tried until Whites run a White-exclusive state. So they are basically doing our intellectual interior decoration for free. A nation in which a white man can be both a WHITE (social) and a MAN (individual). That’s what we’re shooting for. The combination of racial foundation and roof (in perpetuity), to use the house metaphor, combined with decentralized microstates for the rooms inside the White Manor, is the new social form we seek. Those who disagree will be dead or driven off; newcomers who didn’t sign up for the show will be forced at majority to make a formal decision. And yes, upon the founding of the new state, every citizen will formally agree to the RACIAL BASIS of the new state. Not just a theoretical contract, a real social contract. A symbolic formality, but binding and meaningful too. Race-mixing is a thing so dangerous and destructive, literally genocidal, to our posterity that violence to prevent it is beyond worthwhile, it is our collective racial duty. And that must be accepted by every man and woman in our society, or he cannot be a member of it. Government is outmoded. That’s the truth disguised by the racial strife of our times. No matter where you look in the west, government does nothing but create and exacerbate problems, and no, despite what some literal Nazis will tell you, that is not a racial or jewish matter alone and innately, but an intrinsic problem with it. That’s where true intellectual conservatism, which is my background, does have something to offer us. Microstates afford christian kooks, wigger-welfare-statists and fuck-off-my-lawners the chance to live apart together in freedom and racial unity, which is as good as can be gotten. 360
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 15, 2011, 10:28 PM | # Susan Lindauer speaks in August- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5R_L_hXlWc&feature=player_embedded#! 361
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 10:47 PM | # You got it, Sam. And then when those who soft-pedal or abandon jew-crit are able to pull off events without problems, it strengthens the “we’re doing it to ourselves” lie - and it strengthens the belief that letting jews into our politics is the right way to go. It’s so, so easy from the outside to slip into the comfortable waters of assuming other White activists we read about getting punished “did it to themselves.” But it’s very often not true. I guess these people haven’t heard the line, “show me the man, i’ll show you the crime.” Anyone can be taken down ‘legally,’ that’s an absolute truth. And given the innate gullibility and belief in authority common to whites (and strengthened by church and states), it’s a standing temptation to the enemy to go beyond the law, knowing that even the man’s own friends will think him guilty, no matter how long and honest they’ve known him. That’s why you find things like the old man who shot the ‘holocaust’ museum accused of having child porn on his computer. Yeah. 89 years old. Insisting on character standards among our own, as best we can, even in the online world, is important. It weeds out the weak-minded, the easily turned, the susceptible to bribes and threats, the shapeshifters and the congenital liars. It’s why Eric Thomson says “principles protect people.” By the same token, as I’m harping on, absence of principles endangers people. Endangers them in a sea already fraught with dangers. Look at this very thread. Some of the most intelligent WN out there see buildings blown up in front of their faces and they can’t figure out what’s going on. If intelligent WN will believe so great a lie as ‘9/11’ or ‘the’ ‘holocaust,’ how are they going to doubt a much smaller one about some White activist? At some point, guys, we have to grow up. Get a little sophistication about the world. Rightists generally despise whining, complaining and bitching and moaning. They believe in blaming themselves and shutting up about their sufferings, just or unjust. The jews know this. And they know that in this way, as in so many others, we whites are our own worst enemy. We’re trained to defer to everybody else, including our wives, and keep our feelings inside. But all that does in White politics is play into the hands of jews and their compliant or paid servants Jared Taylor. They know they can make up lies, and too many of us will believe them. 362
Posted by A. Linder on September 15, 2011, 10:51 PM | # A question: if the triumph of our racial cause meant the average white man were to become 25% more (linder)like in the ‘bad’ ways (more suspicious, disagreeable, mocking, aggressive, assoholical) would the struggle be worth it? If linderlike doesn’t fit is wrong, then substitute elishastromlike, or any other WN who is very smart but quite obnoxious too. I have posed this to my boys in a deliberate attempt to abuse their Southern pride, but I have not any responses worth noting. (My contention being you can’t get to WN victory from Southern culture withouts its undergoing profound changes in the indicated direction. But in short, what if the thing to be preserved can’t preserve itself by its own internally generated means? Isn’t that possible? Isn’t that is?) Someone above raised the Nietzsche question re monsters, and in slaying becoming them. You can see in the Southerners they have no heart for the fight because it’s not really glorious in the way they like, nor does it call on their genuine virtues, as they see them, and as they somewhat are. The jews are imposing a bottleneck on our race, to serve their own purposes. But if we play it right and come out on top, we will be the better for it. We will be less gullible, more suspicious, questioning, hostile. But we will still be fundamentally Aryans, at least at our best: honest, honorable, weird, privacy-loving, laughing, and just plain amazing and desirable to be around, and proud to be a small part of, as individuals. I’m talking to Kalb slowly, he’s a traditional Catholic, one of the brain guys, maybe he posts here, but it is his boys’ conceit that only his religion’s true way can provide a context that will satisfy a (white) man. But it doesn’t satisfy me or many others. I think our racial context can be a more satisfying form of ‘transcendence’ as he always calls it. I personally find it more thrilling to be part of the line descended from the original creature with blue eyes than the crank all-in-all you find in the bible. The bible is just crappy jewish historical and science fiction; the anthropology stuff, the being part of an eternal physical chain, that to me is the thrill. I get the same christabel matthews thrill up my leg that the japanese do when they see a round blue eye. They could give two shits about our sad and stupid faith in the bible; they want our eyes! And when I look in my relatives’ eyes, which are all blue, I see what they mean. Only a sicko like a catholic could think that the transient thoughts running through our heads matter more than the blonde hair and blue eyes - by which i mean the heads themselves. It just rasps their vanity that what we are matters more than what we think. (I mean no nordicism, just using what is most physically distinctive about our race, at least in terms of color.) You all can cry and cavil till the last chili bean is farted back to jebus, but it won’t change the fact that christ-insanity has not a goddam fucking thing to do with our race except give it an upset stomach from too many sleeping pills. 363
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 11:17 PM | #
It is important to remember that White Nationalism evolved out of the Willis Carto-David Duke-William Pierce consensus of the 1970s and 1980s. That’s where it came from. The genetic origins of White Nationalism is reflected in its obsession with the Jews. The Jews, you see, are behind all our problems: well, except for the fact that the no one who pays close attention to the immigration debate really believes this. We spend more of our time fighting with the business lobbyists, the Hispanic activists, and the degenerate Catholic and Protestant clergy than anyone else. What about Texas? There were something like 30 anti-immigration bills in the Texas state legislature earlier this year. Everything but the Voter ID bill went down in flames in the 2011 legislative session. Why did it happen? Because the billionaires Bob Perry and Charles Butts leaned on their friends in the Texas legislature to kill the bills. Just like J.D. Alexander and the Florida Farm Bureau killed immigration reform in Florida in 2011. Did the Jews kill immigration reform in Utah in 2011? Nope. That was the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce. What about Arizona? Nope. That was the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce and the Arizona business community. In the world of White Nationalism, the only people who oppose the pro-White agenda are Jews. The Jews are the singular enemy. They are the mover behind all our problems. Reality doesn’t conform to WN ideology.
The Order fucked themselves. Bill White fucked himself. Linder fucks himself in Kirksville. So has HAC and the NSM and Traitor Glenn Miller, etc. They deliberately isolate themselves from their contemporaries.
I had forgotten about James von Brunn. Truth be told, James von Brunn and Craig “Chain” Cobb and and Joe Snuffy and Curt Maynard and Todd Vanbiber and Kevin Strom and countless other people that Linder has been involved with over the years have gone out of their way to isolate themselves from their contemporaries and to self detonate and to come across as deranged as possible.
Just what is character? Does anyone know? Can anyone discuss the content of character? What would that be? Having the right “ideology” has nothing whatsoever to do with character. If you have strong character, it means your practice the known moral virtues. Character is not political hygiene.
Having the right set of abstractions and being fanatically committed to them actually has nothing to do with character.
Just the opposite is true: a fanatical commitment to ideology and to abstractions is what endangers people. That is what is driving our civilization off the cliff right now. Fanatics taking abstractions like “equality” and “liberty” to their absolute conclusion. So what’s the alternative to ideology and abstractions and dogmas and fanaticism? It is keeping an open mind, being reasonable, being pragmatic, and above all else, putting “interests” above ideology. What do we oppose mass immigration? It is not in our “interest” to have millions of Mexicans flooding in here. Why do we oppose “affirmative action”? It is not in our “interest” to have blacks promoted over us. Well, what about our commitment to “equality”? What about it? In this case, “equality” clashes with our interests, so we are not for “equality” in this case.
Let’s grow up then. People are tired of hearing about 9/11. If you were going to convince anyone that “Jews Did 9/11,” you would have done it a decade ago. This debate is on the same level as arguing about the Holocaust. What does it accomplish? Who cares about the Holocaust? What do people really care about? Well, where are the jobs man? Where is the “hope and change”? Where is the post-racial society? Where are all these damn illegal aliens coming into my community during a Depression? What about the flash mobs that launched a revolution in Britain? That’s what people want to talk about.
If Linder was only on television in Kirksville, then everyone would agree that he is right. There’s a small problem with that theory: every time a group like the NSM does something, they are always put on television. I’ve saw Jeff Schoep and George Lincoln Rockwell and William Pierce on Nazi America: A Secret History on the History Channel not too long ago. Rounder was on the Howard Stern show. How did Rounder land that gig? They put him on the Howard Stern Show in order to reinforce stereotypes that marginalize White Nationalists.
This is true. If you really thought about, you would realize that your unwillingness to demonstrate the polarization strategy in Kirksville and your unwillingness to respond to my criticism proves that even you acknowledge the polarization strategy doesn’t work. If the polarization strategy worked, you have tried it by now in the real world. Instead, you talk about it on the internet with people who don’t live anywhere near Kirksville, in the hope that they will try it somewhere like Indianapolis and Knoxville. We’re trained to defer to everybody else, including our wives, and keep our feelings inside. But all that does in White politics is play into the hands of jews and their compliant or paid servants Jared Taylor. They know they can make up lies, and too many of us will believe them. Suppose we were to put the question to Mark Potok. Who is the greater asset to the SPLC: is it Jared Taylor or Alex Linder? Oh wait ... Potok has already said that if Linder didn’t exist the SPLC would have to create him. 364
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 11:19 PM | # Please delete the above comment. The repost. ‘Twas an error. 365
Posted by Silver on September 15, 2011, 11:37 PM | # Alex,
According to this view, Buchanan’s big mistake was not declaring as a WN during the 92 and 96 primaries. That’s why he failed to get the nomination. That’s why all those whites out there—all of ‘em on your side, as like to assume—that’s why they were so underwhelmed by Buchanan that they opted for Bush or Perot or what have you. If only Buchanan had been more explicitly white he would have got the nod and could have changed history. Well now, Alex, isn’t it “past irony” that someone who portrays himself as a cutting edge political thinker would need to have it pointed out to him that if the public wasn’t moved by something as relatively tepid as “culture wars” (relative to the upheaval implied by a full-blown race program) then it hardly stands to reason to think the public would have been moved by something yet more extreme? The proviso here is the public was still thinking in terms of “America”—the country itself, the thought of a unified America, still mattered greatly. In time, it’s quite possible that the concept of a unified America will not seem as important, and in that case (a case I have to believe most posters to blogs like this believe is fast approaching) a more “extreme” vision may indeed prove more powerful than tepid tinkering otherwise on offer. But if you’re going to judge Buchanan then judge him on what he did with what he had to work with at the time. Of course, if you insist on being conspiratorial, you could simply claim that Buchanan, who is no WN, knew damn well what he was doing: he set out to divert to whites, and he succeeded, and while his task is not yet accomplished he’s all but there. What evidence is there that Buchanan doesn’t care about white interests? He “attacked David Duke.” Well, whoopteedamdoo. Jews attack other Jews whom they think are “too extreme” all the time—and I’m quite sure you wouldn’t dream of accusing Jews of not caring about Jewish interests. Take Meir Kahane, who might be the most notorious case. He was attacked by Jews from all sides, both in the US and in Israel (where his party was banned—so I guess the Israeli government “doesn’t care about Jews”). Alan Dershowitz attacked him; does Alan Dershowitz not care about Jews or Israel? Today there are politicians like Avigdor Lieberman and Benny Elon who propose various physical resettlement schemes as a means of dealing with the demographic challenge; they face no need end of roadblocks and ostracism from none other than other Jews. Do those Jews who oppose these politicians “not care” about Jewish interests? Do they “hate” Jews? Are they attempting to “genocide” Jews? Silly, isn’t it? You may reply that yes but Jews have to consider how their activities look in the eyes of the world. As much as they may fervently desire to rid themselves of the Arabs, they just can’t, because they’d lose the support of America or whatever. Sure. But how different is that to pro-white politicians who don’t feel they can risk alienating other whites? The “contents” of the concern are different, but the fact of being restrained by concern isn’t. And nowadays, and increasingly in the future, Americans will have to consider the “eyes the world” to a far greater degree than ever before. Fifty years ago—heck, I’ll be generous, even 20 years ago—it’s possible you could have acted on a racial basis unimpeded by “world opinion,” because the world would have been powerless to do anything about it. (Then again USSR/world communism, who knows…) Today, not so much; in the future, perhaps not at all. 366
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 15, 2011, 11:38 PM | # Wait, is this the same Hunter Wallace from Occidental Dissent?
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Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 15, 2011, 11:47 PM | #
25 percent of the people in Linder’s own neighborhood haven’t become more like Linder after ten years of preaching the polarization strategy. Personality types are strongly hereditary. The disagreeable curmudgeon and the secular intellectual are drastically overrepresented in WN. Where are the women though? Where are the old people? Where are the little old ladies? Most people don’t want to listen to Linder. That’s why his listening audience at VNN Forum is hardly a random sample of White people. The vast majority of people even in Kirksville tune out Alex. He is unable to communicate with them.
Here’s an idea: why not try to come across as an ordinary guy from Kirksville instead of Hitler Jr. + the Antichrist + Murray Rothbard? Can you talk to people in Kirksville without mentioning how the Holocaust was a lie and how an NS dictatorship is needed and how Christ-Lunacy must be destroyed and how we must declare war on the conservatives?
WN is an ideology. Because it is presented as an ideology, and as a secular anti-ideology at that, it has little appeal to White Southerners. The Alex Linder version of White Nationalism doesn’t even fly in Northern Missouri. No one even wants to hear it in Missouri 9. That’s why Alex keeps trying to sell it to people on the internet like a used car salesman. If the damn thing worked, it would in Kirksville, but it doesn’t even work there. Someone above raised the Nietzsche question re monsters, and in slaying becoming them.
Southerners are evolving. The evolution has been going on ever since the Dixiecrat Revolt of 1948. The Deep South split with the Democratic Party in 1964. Then the Solid South was obliterated when Humphrey ran in 1968. It was carved up between Nixon, Humphrey, and Wallace. From 1968 until 2008, the South had a two-party system for the first time since the Antebellum era, and it appeared as if politics here were becoming “post-racial,” when that was not the case at all. The Democratic Party had been pushed back to the Mississippi Valley where Clinton could carry states like Arkansas and Louisiana. Now, the White Southern Democrat is dead in the water. The Solid South is coming back. We are going back to Jim Crow politics where in states like Alabama and Georgia the Democratic Party is becoming synonymous with blacks. It is becoming illegitimate for a White man to vote for the Democratic Party in states like Louisiana and Arkansas now. The Western South will soon catch up with the Eastern South in this regard.
White people in America have never thought of themselves as Aryans. This is another interlibrary loan from the bank of National Socialism in Germany.
Because it doesn’t satisfy you, Alex being smarter than God himself, there is some kind of problem with it then?
The Bible isn’t hostile to tribes, nations, or ethnic groups. There are all kinds of stories in the Bible about Jews vs. Egyptians or Jews vs. Babylonians or Jews vs. Romans, etc. It is taken for granted in the Bible that nations exist. Ever hear of the Tower of Babel? God wanted nations to exist.
The Bible wasn’t written with Germanic people in mind. There is nothing in the Bible about hostility to Germanics. The Jews only came to live among Germanics and the Slavs much later in their history.
Phenotype is a marker of ethnic identity. Religion is another marker of identity. This is what WNs have never understood: identity is constructed around all sorts of markers, with race serving as a marker of identity in multiracial societies, and language and culture being more important in monoracial societies.
In the mind of Linder, there is necessarily an opposition between racial identity and other forms of identity, when in reality there is no such necessary opposition.
Except for ... I don’t know ... the last 2,000 years of Western civilization? Linder’s own culture is permeated by Christianity. Surely, the fanaticism and the certitude we see here is a meme that he absorbed through osmosis in his own Protestant culture. 368
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 15, 2011, 11:53 PM | # Hunter Wallace, why are you responding to your own posts like this? Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 02:47 AM
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Posted by Silver on September 16, 2011, 12:01 AM | # Alex,
Fair enough. But is there a split you can win on, one that you own and can’t be taken away from you? I don’t believe there is.
That’s not even close to being the only split. But after you cycle through all the iterations, in the final analysis it comes down to: You like Whites? You hate spics, niggers, kikes, gooks? You want fuck these races over and live like a White Man was made to live? vs You likes Whites? You want to secure racial existence and enjoy racial self-determination? You don’t want permanent conflict with other races? You don’t want to live in a “state of hate” with respect to them? You think this world’s big enough for all of us? You’re the former, and because you’re the former the latter will always be a possibility; and because the latter is an inherently more attractive alternative you’ll always find yourself sidelined. As I said, it’s “helpful” to have someone like you out there, but only so long as you aren’t “too helpful”—“too helpful” and those “splits” snap back to competition between “more reasonable” but insufficiently racial alternatives. 370
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 16, 2011, 12:11 AM | # Linder,
I’m not an implicit conservative. I’m for government healthcare. I’m for generous welfare. I’m for nationalizing critical sectors of the economy. I’m for aggressively regulating corporations and financial institutions to curb usurious, destructive, and anti-competitive behavior. I’m a social traditionalist and I’m generally cooperative with and friendly towards conservatives. To the untrained and unfocused eye, I look like a conservative. I am not.
A very lean and ideologically rigorous national organization is instantiated with the purpose of providing local workshops with the strategies and resources they need to succeed. These workshops will focus on pursuing two distinct goals: evangelizing potential activists with our undiluted message and engaging the surface area of state and local politics to promote the White agenda. Our message to “the masses” is that we are their most dedicated, reliable, and effective advocates. We do not lie or equivocate on our core ideology, but our interface with the masses and the political process will be one of goal-oriented Plunkittry. Our historical moment will arrive in the form of a Legitimacy Crisis. WLP, GLR, and Metzger weren’t buffoons (though I would quibble about their methods). They were torchbearers who carried our cause through its darkest decades. They could not have won during that period because the regime was in full stride. It’s rapidly running out of tricks, and the Tea Party revolt is but the first in a long process of people thrashing against a system they have less and less faith in. We must show up for our moment, existing as a credible and serious alternative. At that point, a polarization strategy will be necessary in order to assure that imposters and showmen (like Sarah Palin and Donald Trump) don’t usurp our political capital. That’s where a proven track record of advocacy right now is so vital. By the time most racialists are comfortable enough to come out of the closet, they’ll be among a mob of weather vanes and opportunists. By demonstrating leadership and radicalism during our current “wilderness” phase, we can successfully sell ourselves as the least likely to be wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Greg Johnson has modeled an approach wherein the lukewarm realists are critiqued without making the tactical mistake of wasting our own resources to attack beacons lulling recruits from the mainland. What’s being overlooked here is that none of these groups are vehicles. They’re all communication outlets. If they were vehicles with members and there were a more authentic vehicle, then it would be necessary at some point to polarize—but only then.
You too easily confuse a person operating on different principles with a person operating without principles. I have a dual-axis approach to how I categorize people in the context of the struggle. Us v. Them and Friend v. Foe. Individuals belong in one of four primary quadrants: [Us & Friend :: Comrade] [Us & Foe :: Traitor] The distinction between comrades and allies is that one does not truly trust or conspire with allies—only comrades (and even then, very carefully). Allies enjoy goodwill, arm’s-length cooperation, and reciprocal support. Garveyite Blacks, Nationalist Japs, and pro-White Jews are all allies. Pro-White Jews may indeed all be diabolical schemers running an angle (I’m pretty sure a good share of them are). However, that is irrelevant if one maintains his principles and refrains from conspiring with them or trusting them in any meaningful way.
I’ve both explained how your strategy is sub-optimal and presented a superior alternative.
I share your respect for the NSM’s commitment to translating ideological support for Whites into tangible support and real sacrifices on behalf of Whites. By doing so, they have shown themselves to be more serious and credible than the ICs. Hunter,
Well, I obviously don’t share Linder’s dyspeptic disdain for American folk, American traditions, and Christianity. Those would assuredly be difficult to sell. As for “naming the Jew”, I do believe both that and being confidently and explicitly pro-White is critical, even if it is also a yoke in the contemporary context. As I explain in the aforementioned strategic outline, bearing that burden in this stage is an investment in our future credibility in the wake of the Legitimacy Crisis. Just as the Pink Wave swept to power a series of previously marginalized radicals who had solid records of reliable advocacy on behalf of their people, the coming White Wave will benefit only those who’ve established their pro-White bonafides during our movement’s current “wilderness” phase. I’m certainly taking hits, making personal sacrifices, and limiting my effectiveness by staying on message right now. But what pains me is that most people either remaining behind the scenes or “running an angle” will be lost in the stampede of impostors and new recruits when our people finally do wake up and reawaken their dormant sense of tribal identity. A solid record of being pro-White and wise to the JQ before it was cool will be what separates us and our vehicles from the pack of Sarah Palins and Donald Trumps diving into the fray. A secondary consideration to bear in mind is that while we don’t lie or hide our radical message, we don’t lead with it in our advocacy efforts, either. Our singular message to our White friends and neighbors is that “We’re fighting for you.” Ordinary people don’t really care too much why we’re fighting for them, especially before they realize they need our help. They’ll rally behind us because we’re fighting for their jobs, their neighborhoods, and their way of life. Chavez’s supporters don’t support him because they’re ideological socialists or adherents of his particular spin on Bolivarianism. They support him because he’s developed an ironclad reputation of being a firm advocate for them in opposition to the corporate and American puppets who exhausted their legitimacy over the course of decades of mismanagement and exploitation. http://reasonradionetwork.com/20110909/the-stark-truth-matt-parrott-on-politics-and-strategy 371
Posted by Silver on September 16, 2011, 12:17 AM | # Dasein
It amounts to the same thing: he doesn’t want to bestow any credibility on Linder because he fears the societal repercussions of an Alex Linder enjoying credibility. That doesn’t mean an Alex Linder isn’t useful to him, “out there” in cyberland, where precious few will actually stop to consider anything he’s saying and will rely instead on the translation provided by the SPLC. America has a long history of “weirdo”-type racists who present themselves in bizarre fashion (sporting the angry mutant chemo patient shaved head, for example) and screaming obscenities and threatening violence. Just think how piss easy it must be for a Potok or a Beirich to create the association in people’s minds between the weirdo sects and an Alex Linder—indeed, Linder does 90% of the legwork himself. 372
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 12:21 AM | #
Jesus Christ nailed, 911 Litmus, we’re running short of Parrotts down here, can you cut us a little slack? 373
Posted by Trainspotter on September 16, 2011, 12:25 AM | # Parrott: “An elite so decadent as to sell its civilization to the highest bidder will find a bidder and if the Grabblers are gone, another alien elite will jump in to do the job.” This is a very important point, and leads to the following question: Can we create a white society that is healthy and solid enough to fend off Jewish or other alien threats over the long term? If we answer this question in the negative, then the only true solution for the long term survival of our people would be to “exterminate” (could be through sterilization, etc.) all non-whites on the entire planet, or certainly the great bulk of them. With the Jews, it would be necessary to achieve total elimination, because history provides ample proof that even very small numbers of them can inflict terrific damage on the host population. If we don’t, then there is always the possibility of some future generation of whites opening the floodgates to either an alien elite or an alien horde - or both, as we are experiencing today. If, on the other hand, we answer in the affirmative, then that changes things. We then believe it possible to expel the Jews (and others) and keep them out over the long run. It does no good for one generation to kick them out, only for the next to let them back in. We must have an elite that will not sell out to any alien bidder whatsoever, Jew or otherwise. It should be clear that how one answers the question has a lot of implications. While the above is a nice mental exercise, then there is a little thing called reality to consider. We are so far away from being capable of world conquest, and therefore the total elimination of Jews and/or other non-whites, that the idea itself is laughable outside of Turner Diaries fantasy. The real debate within white nationalism in North America is much more modest (though at present pure fantasy). Can we take it all back, or just a relatively small region and, perhaps, grow slowly from there? World conquest just isn’t on the table in any meaningful sense. Point is, Jews and non-whites are going to be hanging around on planet Earth for a long, long time. We don’t want them in our homelands, but we certainly will be in no position to simply remove them entirely from the big blue marble. Some may point to the Jews that fled Germany in the 30’s, and the incredible damage that they were able to inflict on the white societies that tragically let them in. But that world is over now; most of our white societies have been effectively wrecked, or at least are well down the road to ruin. As I’ve said before, there is a big difference between dumping your garbage on a clean carpet as opposed to in a trash can. Back then, those Jews fell on a largely clean carpet, with tragic results - but that day is over. In short, in the world that we actually live in, the issue is expulsion, not extermination. Extermination is not required for the creation of a sovereign White Republic. Expulsion likely will be. Let the ideas and propganda points fit the goal. Linder is a brilliant guy, but this exterminationist position does us no good. Putting morality and ethics aside, and taking a strictly practical approach to the matter, sure, whites would be far safer if no Jews existed anywhere. But that ain’t gonna happen. It’s not a viable policy, even if it were determined to be the correct policy. Instead, it’s simply a question of how much of our own homelands we can take back: a little, a lot, or all? That’s it, that’s the debate. Exterminationist positions don’t contribute anything positive to this debate, or help us achieve that which is vitally necessary for the survival of people. And then, even if you did remove all Jews from Spaceship Earth (Captain Jerry Brown), as Matt points out, a decadent elite would simply find another bidder. So despite the enormous harm that has been done to us by racial enemies, we must focus on building a white society that is more resistant to infection. We can probably boost our immune system, but we aren’t going to be able to completely eliminate all bacteria or other infectious agents. Danger will always lurk. So, as a purely practical matter, our focus has to be on the creation of sovereign white nations, with a culture that is healthy and solid enough to fend for itself and not be overcome by the non-whites that will inevitably want to eat and devour it, whether they be Jews or not. One of the most important questions is simply how do we create a white elite that is not decadent and will not sell our people out. In any event, reality bats last. The best that we can do is to achieve white sovereign territory again - and then keep it, permanently. I don’t mean that as a downer, because such a result obviously would be fantastic, not to mention incredibly cool. But that’s where it’s at, and that’s where our focus should be. The exterminationist idea, while technically correct (after all, dead men tell no tales, and that goes for dead races as well), is a dead end, no pun intended. It’s just not on the table in a meaningful sense, and it’s not going to be on the table. It will be quite tough enough, and the odds long enough, to create or restore one or more white nations. 374
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 12:35 AM | # Well now, Alex, isn’t it “past irony” that someone who portrays himself as a cutting edge political thinker would need to have it pointed out to him that if the public wasn’t moved by something as relatively tepid as “culture wars” (relative to the upheaval implied by a full-blown race program) then it hardly stands to reason to think the public would have been moved by something yet more extreme? It absolutely was moved. You could see the revolution boiling just under the surface as and after he spoke, and he offered nothing genuinely revolutionary - which is a measure of the strength he didn’t quite have the nuts to tap. I have written about this moment many times. It was one of the two most instructive moments in US political history in the last 30 years, the other being the reaction to Duke’s senate campaign, with all parties and media joining up to defeat him. Within one 24-hour cycle the Republicans went from praising Buchanan for his “Culture Wars” speech to blasting him and running away from it. Complete flip. Why? Because the kikes had the fuck scared out of them by this very, very modest approach on the castle they live in . Buchs ever so barely feigned at lifting the cover on the real thing underneath, because he is so skilled with words, and because there is a hell of a lot of white hot justified racial anger, you could see hear and feel the boil underneath. The forces waiting, just begging, to be tapped. You could just SEE what a real man like Hitler could have done with it. That whole speech and reaction is worthy of a book. But no, little glibster, I have always said Buchanan is NOT one of us. He is a catholic. Not a racialist. It is OUR fault for not recognizing that, out of dimness, weakness, whatever the problem is. Analytically we can use the reaction to Buchanan to show others how much stronger a response a real racialist who meant it might fare, rather than a catholic culturalist who didn’t really mean anything when you get down to it. Consevatives flirt with racialism. They do it for financial reasons. It rewards them richly. But they never follow through. Racialists are the girl good enough to fuck Friday night, but not good enough to meet the parents for Sunday dinner. And so they will continue to be until they develop enough self-respect to take themselves seriously. Which it is your and other glib little trolls’ mission to see never happens. Treating Buchanan with respect is treating our cause and ourselves with disrespect. He’s a punk, and should be called a punk. A Catholic weakling who, when the chips are down, always sides with the more poweful authority: ZOG, the Republican Party, the mainstream junkmedia he’s an import part of. What you subsidize, you get more of. Do you want Buchanans? Then keep spreading your legs for him, girls. 375
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 12:42 AM | # No one’s scared of men who are rational and reasonable. They’re scared of Charles Manson. Rational men know to put the chicken wire on the inside and the flowers on the outside if you want anyone to come to your parade. The WN cause—MacDonald/Edwards/Parrott division—is trying to sell Playboys with x-rays for centerfolds. 376
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 16, 2011, 12:48 AM | # 911 LT: HW’s post of 2:47am is a copy of Linder’s 12:56am post. 377
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 12:49 AM | #
And this anger is STILL there. Look at the Tea Party. My god, that is some weak fucking tea. Look at Glenn gloopy woopy Beck, for crissakes. Can you imagine what a man could do? What a veteran with legitimate martial credibility combined with charisma? Who dared to make a direct to the strong and underlying and unifying cause and basis for solution to all these problems - race? Jewy schmaltzgrease has created the biggest pustule in human history, and goddamit, it needs to pop and may that setpic come enchoken all jews and white-eaters with our glorious suppuration. 378
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 12:53 AM | # Reason is for boys; emotion is for men. In politics. Academics fear emotion because it’s not part of their world. It can be reduced to an explanation or attribution. It’s as undeniable as an earthquake, tideswell or organsm. Real politics has nothing to do with reason, it’s in the marrow - the fear and the thrill. Got some hero in you, boy? You need a footlong not a footnote if you’re going to try to fuck the public with that dick. Like I said, just imagine what a Hitler would have done in Buchanan’s place. That’s the distance between a man and a Catholic; between a man and a conservative. 379
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 16, 2011, 01:00 AM | # Parrott
What I was saying with my comments earlier is while it’s a good thing to take potshots and critique someone like Jared Taylor online, there’s certainly no point in running a campaign against him. The online forums are just people talking to each other, and 50% hostile trolls. Taylor - and all other public figures - should tightly control their own online outlets and do the public political bullshit thing. We should set the record straight. Even if it takes doing it on foreign pro-white websites like MajorityRights. Linder is a fanatic crank who deserves a paycheck from SPLC, not a truth teller, and he’s wrong about Buchanan. Buchanan is not anti-white, he’s just less pro-white than he is pro-Republican. His job is Republican. Someone like Buchanan will fight for our issues as long as we stay in the GOP, and will attack us if we go third party. The question about Buchanan is when push comes to shove, will he choose white over Republican? The answer to that is clearly no.
I really did enjoy your essays on Plunkitt. Wallace is right to focus on local, not national politics though. Remember the lessons we all learned from Seattle grunge rock - localism drives populism. Also, Courtney killed Kurt. 380
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 16, 2011, 01:02 AM | # “we’re running short of Parrotts down here, can you cut us a little slack? “ Slack gladly cut. All I ask is that when the South rises again, I get credit. 381
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 16, 2011, 01:11 AM | # Litmus,
Very true.
LOL! I have a close family friend who’s a passionate Nirvana devotee and affirmed believer that Courtney Love killed him. True to form, I do indeed believe the establishment account on that incident, too. Not that Love’s not an evil talentless Jewess who drove him to his grave, mind you. As with 9/11, I blame the Jew, but somewhat indirectly. 382
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 01:26 AM | #
My god. There’s actually some thinking in this, altho i’d like to see exactly what your ideology is. Ok, Parrott. I’m granting you provisional respect (pardon my Haller impression). Christ, you sound like an American national socialist with some Winterhilfe/hamas-type ideas. Is there a Parrott primer where you’ve expounded all this to the limit? I vaguely know you have some Hoosier thing. Anyway, thanks for laying that out. 383
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 01:42 AM | #
This is good stuff, but how are you going to protect anything you’ve built if outside forces, working with feds, come in to destroy it? What are you going to do with the ADL teams up with local illiberal preachers to hold open house meeting to denounce your efforts as “hate isn’t help”? 384
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 01:59 AM | # There’s nothing wrong with working from the ground up, the problem is that our problems come from the top down. No serious political decision is taken locally. The local elites are always goober gentry who’ve been off to college and gotten the new good word - which is always NWO multicult socialism. The cops are of course tutored by the federal prosecutors and prepped by the ADL. The political problems we face are not on the local level, they are on the national level. Most whites areas are more than tolerably well run; as are, even, most of the states. The problems come because the niggers in the handful of big cities in most states can’t be dealt with rationally, and over time they spread to infect the outlying areas. And if anyone tries to do anything about it he can’t. Because of federal ‘civil rights’ laws, not state or local. The return of free association alone would solve most of the day-to-day problems diversity causes without any other changes. But that’s not a state or local matter, it’s a federal matter. The same with illegal aliens. The problems they cause are local, but the inability to solve those problems is a federal problem, since it is federal judges who routinely flout the will of the state/local majority to prevent aliens from being privileged over citizens. In sum, the solution to immediate personal problems maybe local, but 1) the specific problems manifesting in state and local areas are caused by meta-problem of federal law interpretations that define the solutions to those problems as a civil-rights violation. Until these laws are changed, everything we do is stopgap. 2) the feds have proven they are more than willing to intervene, with judges and police, to insure that the state and local problem are allowed to fester (which in leftspeak is euphemized into ‘civil rights are upheld), and anyone who tries to deal with them gets shut down. We need fighters. Lots and lots of fighters. Without physical force on our side, we have nothing real to rely on. What did the man say? The truth is neato, but without a sword it can’t do much. 385
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:05 AM | # (Toland, p. 185) [Hitler] “The mass, the people, to me is a woman” [...] “Someone who does not understand the intrinsically feminine character of the mass will never be an effective speaker. Ask yourself what does a woman expect from a man? Clearness, decision, power, action… [Comment: What do the implicit conservatives offer? Tepid jokes. Proof. Mild, even tones. Who do they move? Nobody.] 386
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:12 AM | # (Toland, p. 190) Hitler also had the rare ability to involve his listeners in the proceedings. “When I talk to people,” he told Hanfstaengl, “especially those who are not yet Party members, or who are about to break away for some reason or other, I always talk as if the fate of the nation was bound up in their decision. That they are in a position to give an example for the many to follow. Certainly it means appealing to their vanity and ambition, but once I have got them to that point, the rest is easy.” All men, rich or poor, he said, had an inner sense of unfulfillment. “Slumbering somewhere is the readiness to risk some final sacrifice, some adventure, in order to give a new shape to their lives. They will spend their last money on a lottery ticket. It is my business to channel that urge for political purposes. In essence, every political movement is based on the desire of its supporters, men or women, to better things not only for themselves but for their children and others… The humbler people are, the greater the craving to identify themselves with a cause bigger than themselves, and if I can persuade them that the fate of the German nation is at stake, then they will become part of an irresistible movement, embracing all classes.” 387
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:22 AM | # [Hitler on legality and much, much more] If, by the the instrument of governmental power, a nationality is led toward its destruction, then rebellion is not only the right of every member of such a people—it is his duty. And the question—when is this the case?—is decided not by theoretical dissertations, but by force—and results. Since as a matter of course, all governmental power claims the duty of preserving state authority—regardless how vicious it is, betraying the interests of a people a thousandfold—the national instinct of self-preservation, in overthrowing such a power and achieving freedom of independence, will have to employ the same weapons by means of which the enemy tries to maintain his power. Consequently, the struggle will be carried on with “legal” means as long as the power to be overthrown employs such means; but it will not shun illegal means if the oppressor uses them. In general it should not be forgotten that the highest aim of human existence is not the preservation of the state, let alone a government, but the preservation of the species. And if the species itself is in danger of being oppressed or utterly eliminated, the question of legality is reduced to a subordinate role. Then, even if the methods of the ruling power are alleged to be legal a thousand times over, nonetheless the oppressed people’s instinct of self-preservation remains the loftiest justification of their struggle with every weapon. Only through recognition of this principle have wars of liberation against internal and external enslavement of nations on this earth come down to us in such majestic examples. Human law cancels out state law. And if a people is defeated in its struggle for human rights, this merely means that it has been found too light in the scale of destiny for the happiness of survival on this earth. For when a people is not willing or able to fight for its existence, Providence in its eternal justice has decreed that people’s end. The world is not for cowardly peoples. 388
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:33 AM | # “It is in this press, above all, which wages a positively fanatical and slanderous struggle, tearing down everything which can be regarded as a support of national independence, cultural elevation, and the economic independence of the nation. Above all, it hammers away at the character of all those who will not bow down to the Jewish presumption to dominate, or whose ability and genius in themselves seems a danger to the Jew. For to be hated by the Jews it is not necessary to combat him; no, it suffices if he suspects that someone might even conceive the idea of combating him some time or that on the strength of his superior genius he is an augmenter of the power and greatness of a nationality hostile to the Jew. His unfailing instincts in such things scents the original soul in everyone, and his hostility is assured to anyone who is not spirit of his spirit. Since the Jew is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. But the means with which he seeks to break such reckless but upright souls is not honest warfare, but lies and slander. Hence he stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the shape of the Jew. The ignorance of the broad masses about the inner nature of the Jew, the lack of instinct and narrow-mindedness of our upper classes, make the people an easy victim for this Jewish campaign of lies. While from innate cowardice the upper classes turn away from a man the Jew attacks with lies and slander, the broad masses from stupidity or simplicity believe everything. The state authorities either cloak themselves in silence or, what usually happens, in order to put an end to the Jewish press campaign, they persecute the unjustly attacked, which, in the eyes of such an official ass, passes as the preservation of state authority and the safeguarding of law and order.” 389
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:47 AM | # [It doesn’t matter who said this - or anything - if it’s right.] “You can see that a movement needs an organization if it is to conquer the state — and it must conquer the state if it wants to do something of positive and historic significance. I have often met the kind of wandering apostle who says: “Well, everything you are doing is fine, but you really must also take a stand against foreign words in the German language.” And another comes along who says: “Well, everything you say is good, but you must have a point in your program that says allopathy is dangerous, and you must support homeopathy.” If the movement were led by such apostles, the Jew would end up in charge. The Jew would find something new every day until nothing was left. It is not the task of a revolutionary fighting movement to settle the dispute between allopathy and homeopathy, rather its task is to take power. The movement must have a program such that every honest fighter can stand behind it. Now, it is certainly true that the modern German cultural establishment produces every manner of nonsense. I know that this nonsense is poisoning the German national soul. There are those who say: “Something has to happen. You have to do something. If you want to fight the movie industry, you must build your own theater, even if it at first has only the most primitive equipment. And if you see that the children are being poisoned by what they read in school, you must begin to win children’s souls and give them the antidote.” My reply is simple: You can spend ten years giving the antidote to the poison that is produced by a badly led cultural establishment, but a single decree from the Ministry of Culture can destroy all your work. If you had spent that ten years winning fighters for the movement, the movement would have conquered the Ministry of Culture! Everything else is mere piecework.” 390
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 06:07 AM | #
Linder’s conclusion: I should be the Charles Manson of Kirksville. 391
Posted by Lee John Barnes on September 16, 2011, 06:10 AM | # Just a quick question - why does anyone take thecomplete cock Alex Linder seriously ? 392
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 06:35 AM | #
Someone tell the wisest men in Western civilization to move on over ... Der Linder has entered the realm of political philosophy.
There is nothing wrong with emotion. On the contrary, passion is one element of the divine. Reason is another aspect of the divine. You know, the divine Apollo(the God of Reason) was worshiped for centuries? As was Dionysus and Bacchus.
Reason is a tool. It is a tool we use to dissect and understand reality - to identify and solve problems. OTOH, the imagination is the faculty we use to visualize alternatives. The art of rhetoric is what we use to sell people on our political diagnosis and prescriptions.
Achilles was a hero. Der Linder isn’t a hero. He is more of a tragic figure like Oedipus.
So what’s your plan? Fuck the public with Satanism and Nazism? Hey look at me, I’m the Antichrist of Kirksville. Actually, this is an insult to the Fuhrer who was the ultimate pragmatist, who worked with the conservatives, and who wouldn’t have tolerated this shit for a second. Hitler himself told the German-American Bund to quit creating problems with him and move back to Germany if they were so ardently in love with the Fatherland. Hitler was far smarter than the caricature of him you are presenting here.
If Hitler was an American, he would be nothing like Alex Linder. Hitler was pragmatic and flexible and had a constructive mindset. OTOH, Linder is a rigid ideologue. His pew hard certainty has more in common with the evangelicals he criticizes than with Hitler.
The Catholic man has a household. He recognizes the superiority of God. He appreciates the wisdom of tradition. He doesn’t assume that he has all the answers. He has a pretty good moral tradition. This immunizes him against the plagues of fantasy ideology. OTOH, the fantasist is someone like HAC, the Don Quixote of the Northwest Republic, who finds himself so alienated and disconnected from his community that he becomes estranged from his own family members, and becomes a tragic figure, unable to convince anyone of the merits of his figure. HAC will pass in utter obscurity. Maybe he will get himself some ducks before he keels over. 393
Posted by Silver on September 16, 2011, 08:49 AM | # Alex,
Obviously the speech (and attitude and presumed political stance) resonated with a large number of people. All I’ve said was that that number wasn’t large enough. Forget I mentioned Buchanan then. Just think generic conservative. What the hell was a generic conservative of the day to think? “Hmm, you’d fucking well think that a “cultural” resistance would ignite the people, what with everything going on. But you know it’s not selling quite the way we thought it would. What am I supposed to do, go all-race all-the-time? Why would that work any better? Then I’d have to be explaining myself every time I spoke. At least with “culture” people assume they know what I mean.” You know, there are plenty of non-ideological “racial conservatives” who simply don’t have any sort of grasp of the forces that will destroy them. Couple of reasons for this: it’s hardly obvious when your kind is the overwhelming majority that you’re “being destroyed; conservative people are usually a little older, and they associate with people of their own age-group, meaning they’re not seeing the changes taking place among the young, ie where whites are far fewer, so they don’t feel the urgency. Far and away the biggest factor that is not understood, however, is the means by which racial extinction occurs, which is mixing. Even racial conservative Sam Francis—who probably prided himself on going through life with his eyes open—had to be walked through the logic in baby steps by Richard McCulloch. There’s a sort of inbuilt resistance to being concerned about mixing. You might be familiar with a blogger by the name of Dennis Mangan. For a long time he’d have a link on his homepage (maybe he still does) to some Important Post (he’s been doing some Hard Thinking, see) of his explaining his “racial pride.” Man like that’s obviously aware of the forces threatening his racial existence, right? Far from it. No, he was far too big be concerned about something as petty as mixing. “Losing racialist street-cred now, am I?” he would scoff. He’s wrapped his head around the idea since, but the point is a lot of people find it hard going, because it gives rise to a thousand uncomfortable questions they would prefer not to think about. Of course, when people finally do get this, they radicalize pretty quick smart—hence your “I’m gonna start a Nazi club, who’s with me?” type posts on the forums, and slightly more sophisticated (in concept, not execution) “White Genocide Project” on this blog. In case it’s not clear, my point is that that’s a lot for any politician to handle, particularly in an environment as hostile to white racialism as the USA in the 90s (re Buchanan). It really shouldn’t be as surprising as it is that so few were willing to be explicitly racial. Contrast all that to the period when Hitler lived. Hitler didn’t have to convince Germans that being German was a mighty good thing in and of itself, that being German should be defended, that Germany belonged to the Germans. He could take all that for granted. He could take for granted that the German people wanted what is best for Germans, that they would put what is best for Germans in first place and what may be best for anyone else in second (distant or not). His task was simply to make the case that his vision of what Germany should be become was best. (He fucked up royally, of course. Had the nazis been willing to be patient they could so easily have had their “thousand year reich,” and more besides. I’m blase about nazism these days because even though I don’t care for their racial intensity and the deplorable actions that followed from it, I don’t think that intensity is sustainable, so even if they won I’m sure there would have been some kind of liberalization of racial attitudes at some point, and probably sooner than many might think.) 394
Posted by Leon Haller on September 16, 2011, 08:53 AM | # Decentralization is the only truly White politics there is. But the catch is, it only works for White internal politics. The other races have too much to gain from eating us—digger-wasping—us to allow us to go our own way. Notice how all the campaigns against racist evil never say anything about kicking racists out of the country, or putting them on reservations? That’s a hint that by racists they mean whites - all of them, as Whitaker is associated with emphasizing. It’s a dirty synonym. It also shows at some level they recognize no whitey no workee. Whole machinee come to stopee. The state is outmoded except for certain types of violence. The only things whites need out of government is collective racial defense. Nothing else. For the rest, private, voluntary arrangements are enough. Lewrockwell.com has proved this, and the quality of their contributors is higher than most of what we see in racialism. But of course their ideas can’t be tried until Whites run a White-exclusive state. So they are basically doing our intellectual interior decoration for free. A nation in which a white man can be both a WHITE (social) and a MAN (individual). That’s what we’re shooting for. The combination of racial foundation and roof (in perpetuity), to use the house metaphor, combined with decentralized microstates for the rooms inside the White Manor, is the new social form we seek. Those who disagree will be dead or driven off; newcomers who didn’t sign up for the show will be forced at majority to make a formal decision. And yes, upon the founding of the new state, every citizen will formally agree to the RACIAL BASIS of the new state. Not just a theoretical contract, a real social contract. A symbolic formality, but binding and meaningful too. Race-mixing is a thing so dangerous and destructive, literally genocidal, to our posterity that violence to prevent it is beyond worthwhile, it is our collective racial duty. And that must be accepted by every man and woman in our society, or he cannot be a member of it. Government is outmoded. That’s the truth disguised by the racial strife of our times. No matter where you look in the west, government does nothing but create and exacerbate problems, and no, despite what some literal Nazis will tell you, that is not a racial or jewish matter alone and innately, but an intrinsic problem with it. That’s where true intellectual conservatism, which is my background, does have something to offer us. Microstates afford christian kooks, wigger-welfare-statists and fuck-off-my-lawners the chance to live apart together in freedom and racial unity, which is as good as can be gotten. (ALEX LINDER)
I disagree with you about LRC, however. I’m an Austrian economics supporter - have been since the 80s - but Lew gets a lot of unbelievably tendentious windbags penning for him (Mises.org is usually much better). Always the same topics: Ron Paul is the greatest American ever, gold will only go up, all wars are bad, Murray is now claimed to having written “tens of thousands” of articles, economic armageddon is a certainty (if they understood their own professed dogma, they would know how stupid that sentiment is - America has decades still to go economically downhill), formal medicine is all worthless, and, of course, every last problem besetting mankind is the fault of The State. Give some men a hammer, and the world becomes a nail ... (actually, that may be cutting it a bit close for you, eh, Alex? ...). 395
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 09:12 AM | # New meme: “Racism is the radical idea that a people has the duty to defend and preserve itself.” Silver, I remember a comment of yours on Mangan’s a couple years ago that was so deftly damning it brought a tear of joy to mine eye. I converted to silverism then & there. Mangan is a self-important retard. Tarring conservatives isn’t my kick, but Mangan deserves all ridicule for all his tentative preening. Every time I read one of his posts my mind flits to Cartman mocking poor Scott Malkinson. It’s instructive that Trainspotter completely ignores you on the matter of what can be done:
In other words two impossible conquest scenarios. Expulsion is extermination-lite. (Trainspotter, I am not “attacking” you here.) Some guys just can’t accept that their bargaining terms are too high. When you are not all-powerful or a shameless egotist with lots of money, compromise is necessary. Here again an axiom from the gamers is appropriate: Don’t ignore the chubby girl who’s actually interested in you for the hot girl who isn’t. That way you’ll get neither into bed. 396
Posted by Leon Haller on September 16, 2011, 09:22 AM | # Good points, Silver, though at risk of sounding pompous, haven’t I been saying all that for quite a while (re mixing), including to you on a recent thread? Whites are being absorbed out of existence. The PC Left is right about a few matters, namely, that both traditional morality and racial discreteness or hierarchies are not necessarily ‘natural’ (alas, if only), but require legal supports. Old style conservatives (like me; a dying breed) have always understood this. Too many moral conservatives seem to think that The State (esp as controlled by the cultural Left) is the chief culprit in undermining traditional values, and that in its absence, they would recrudesce of themselves - a dubious contention. Similarly, WNs have all these theories pertaining to ‘ecological niches’, ‘friend/enemy innateness’, the ‘evolutionary function of prejudice’, etc, yet at best, such theories only seem to apply to nonwhites. Whites, and not only Christians (and not primarily Christians, Linder, but secularists) welcome the race aliens with open arms. If we wish to preserve the race, we have only two options: massive and permanent coercion to discourage racial backsliding (as Trainspotter says on this thread, and as I just said somewhere at MR within the past week - a “teleological Racial State”, as I termed it), or White Zion (WN ingathering into a sovereign, demographically conquerable polity), with a WN population which over time might be expected to breed out the genes which incline our race to excessive xenophilia (we might also research eugenicist methods to speed up that winnowing process). Incidentally, if memory serves, in the separatist v conquistador debate between McCullough and Francis, I don’t recall Francis conceding anything. 397
Posted by Leon Haller on September 16, 2011, 09:38 AM | # I repeat my own formulation: The white race will not survive unless it chooses to do so. Even with a White Republic, it will not survive through time unless the WR is a teleological Racial State, one whose entire existence is bound up with a permanent mission of saving the race. This will affect every aspect of life (that is, all political and social decisions must be subordinated to the overarching goal of racial permanence). In this sense, the Racial State will somewhat resemble medieval Christendom, in which boundaries of action (at least in theory) were contained within Christian metapolitical parameters. Christianity is compatible with this vision. Freedom as it is understood in the contemporary West is not. 398
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 10:12 AM | #
Yea, but Silver’s been saying it for years too. In fact this entire dialogue, amazing as it is for every contributor’s brilliant turns of thought & phrase, has occurred hundreds of times before here and several other places, with dimensional variations. It just reaches newer heights of dialectical fineness over the years. Like Matt Parrott — he’s all kinds of eloquent. I second this request of Linder’s:
I’ve always ignored Hoosier Nation because of the silly regionalist name (as if Hunter Wallace had “Dixie Nation”) but I would devour a Parrott primer. 399
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 16, 2011, 10:25 AM | # Leon I’m very bored with you fanatical free-market ideology but you once again you assert that economics is ‘value free’? Really? Wealth maximization for whom and under what conditions? At the cost of what social, cultural, and environmental ‘externalities’? All social systems are shaped by questions of foundational values and political commitments. Modern market economies are not simply ‘natural’ phenomena handed down from the big guy in sky to us. I remember at the time I asked you if ‘methodological individualism’ (the central assumption of most economic ‘thought’) has any normative assumptions? If so what are and they are are there social phenomena that it is blind to? Is the full field of social ontology captured by methodological individualism or is it a sometimes useful approximation with limitations, that are rarely acknowledged? I notice the deafening silence has not been broken since. Low-level Catholic theology might be your ‘subject’ after all I think. Should we eat meat on Friday? A deeply burning question if you ask me. 400
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 10:26 AM | # Conservatives are simply cowards. That is the conclusion of every even semi-serious leader who has dealt with them. This is the reality of the situation, described by George Lincoln Rockwell: “As long as the right-wing confines its fighting to being ‘nice’, the great masses of the public will bow down like the sheep they are to the left-wing which is NOT nice — which uses smear, economic persecution, legal harassment and finally, physical terror to maintain its domination of our national life and culture by force. The force is disguised, of course, in checkbooks, judges’ robes, rigged party conventions, etc., but it is still force or the threat of it which has America down and afraid. No amount of papers and pamphlets, were they all masterpieces of propaganda, and no amount of talk and meetings can stop this growing left-wing force and power, and the fear it inspires — much less drive it back and destroy it.” 401
Posted by anymouse on September 16, 2011, 11:04 AM | # The English have a long tradition of subtle understatement that is lost on American yahoos. GW has given them a platform on which to parade their unvarnished dysfunctions and they are witlessly obliging him: “Conservatives are simply cowards.” – Linder Agreed, but could Linder possibly make a bigger confession of failure than to engage in extended debate on someone else’s forum? “Regarding exclusively pointing to the Jewish outsiders instead of pointing to their White collaborators, take away the Jews and 9/11 wouldn’t have happened. Jews rule by proxy. Some of these proxies care about wealth, fame and [what they think is] power. If these proxies assist, are they significant? Hardly because they would very well have assisted in preventing 9/11 if they could achieve wealth, fame or power in the process.” – J Richards Gentile members of the elite have not been dispossessed. They enjoy a mutually advantageous, facultative relationship with jews. 9/11 proved beneficial to both. Which is why they are morally inconsistent, tend to lose social and cultural arguments, and are easily penetrated and manipulated by cohesive groups armed with ideology. “Hunter Wallace has it just about right when it comes to real politics in the state of Alabama. When it comes to an intellectual vanguard, dealing with understanding reality, not winning elections, he’s useless.” – 911 Litmus Test Hunter Wallace’s tactics are those of the 1968 American Independent Party. We’ve been there, done that, and failed. “People don’t speak as they write.” - uh And people don’t act as they speak. —— Meanwhile, over on KMac’s advertising site they’re celebrating their success at channeling money to Jewish and non-white dominated airlines, taxi companies, and hotels. Oops! I meant their one day conference in Washington DC at the Reagan Building. 402
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 11:06 AM | # Just now, reading a mainstream article on some arcane scandal involving the SEC, I find the word übernahmegespräche (“takeover talks”) in connection with an allegation that Deutsche Bank was in negotiations to acquire Bankers Trust, which proved false and lowered BT’s stock value overnight. Anyway, as with many German words, this one can be laid at the heart of power-relations as they pertain to us — all of us: - Jews have mastered discourse and are eager to keep selling us on their world; We’re all bargaining at different leverages, here. But so far down the table, where we are, it makes no sense to make big demands of any sort. Goals are great to have but you’d better have some clout or bluff to go with them. Another axiom of game: You need social proof to advance with chicks. If Hitler is right and the masses are airhead chicks, we would need some pretty damn thick social proof to defeat the zeitgeist undertow. Otherwise you’re a lemonade stand engaging in übernahmegespräche with Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
Sorry to repeat you buddy. Let’s be absolutely specific on this point to avoid mistaking metaphor for reality. Let us look at some modern military technology. First up we have DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS, which encompasses: - particle beam weapons, which “use an ultra-high-energy beam of atoms or electrons (i.e. a particle beam) to damage a material target by hitting it, and thus disrupting its atomic and molecular structure” (lolzolzolzololzlolzzlollz); Hey-eyyy! Now let’s move to UAVs. In brief:
Here is an exculpatory article on the nifty SWORDS, with picture, in Popular Mechanics. If that isn’t enough to color your daydreams of White Zion, perhaps the Flybot? I don’t even have time for the aerial UAVs, familiar to all from the Asian theaters. Well, uh, you’re just a morbid little defeatist — and waddaya want us to do, go live on a barge in the ocean? Think again, my good goyim, for the Powers have that covered too with upcoming unmanned ocean-going weapon systems!! lolzolzololzolzolzzolzollzolzolzolzozllolozlolzlolzlolzzz 403
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 11:22 AM | # Fortunately, Martin Lindstedt is hard at work in the root cellar ‘neath his trailer crafting a super-secret weapon to counteract the irradiating effect of the deadly “MASER” — I hear the working name is MAMSER. 404
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 16, 2011, 11:29 AM | #
Quit bragging, Anon/Uh I recently visited a WN who owns a Parrot with a voracious capacity for shredding paper, and while that bird was impressive, it’s prowess pales in comparison to that of a former WN in Alabama who is rumored to rip entire phone books in half. So be my guest. Devour a Parrott primer if you want, but I’m telling you there’s some stiff competition already out there. 405
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 11:42 AM | # Silver - there is no poll I’ve heard of in my lifetime that didn’t show a large majority thinks America is going down the wrong track. Get someone leading them who has the courage to take up what’s at the base of the symptoms most white Americans are disturbed by—race/jews—and offer the only solution there can be - white separation, white sovereignty. All the whining and whimpering and nudging and winking around the margins never gets anywhere politically, altho it makes the whiners personally rich, if their whine is good enough. Open racial advocacy is the only route that leads to the destination. See the Rockwell quote above. The left wins by intimidation. Not by legal or rational means. And our ‘best’ minds are out there doing what? Trying to influence the Republican Party. This is not leadership. This is not serious politics. It is kibitzing. Womanly, effeminate. Remember what the real leader, Hitler, said: the masses are like women - they want strength, clarity, direction. Not kibitzing in tepid tones. These silly WASPs then go back and tut on their websites how much they DON’T sound like Nazis. Yeah, digbys - that’s the problem. Let me clue in all my fellow Anglospherians: we are not ahead of the Nazis, we are behind. How can Hitler be a better analyst of our times than we are if he’s not right? How can a man writing in ‘30s Europe be a better analyst of 2011 America than we are unless he has nailed something essential that persists through time and across place? Is this really not self-evident to you all? And because this mistake is always made, I don’t give a damn if Hitler is a German. If he were English, French, Madagascarian, Russian or Eskimo, I’d say the same thing: this guy nailed it. It is clear as a bell. Anyone who has dealt in nationalist and conservative circles for even just a few months can see exactly what he’s talking about. You can take his words and run directly to Fox News or Pat Buchanan or A3P and see exactly what he means. Isn’t that humiliating? But is it not true? Is he not demonstrably and observably right in what he says about revolutions, jews, bourgeois conservatives, the way to conduct meetings, and the rest? My god, we see it carried out before our eyes every single day of the year. Conservatism has no solutions because conservatives are self-interested, self-protecting cowards. They are the upper-middle-class bourgeoisie. They provide good writers, and quality entertainment, that’s all. They are respectable, responsible, appropriate - and there it ends. They will never, ever, ever condescend to actually FIGHT over anything because…that’s not what they do. Only crude proles are low enough to actually say what they mean and bust knuckles over it. Not us turtleneck-wearing, hair-fixing better-thans. As a class, these bourgeois conservatives are, in relation to our racial cause, summer patriots. They’ll join the White cause when it’s 99% of the way to victory, and nod to themselves that they were with us all along. It’s just how they are. There is no leadership in them, just fundraising for more of the same kind of political entertainment they prefer - Vdare is a good example. “(I)t was all a game; a way of making a living.”—Joe Sobran on professional conservatism. Ah, but you anonymous bunkies know better. Trust me, guys. We get a party, a national party, do activism around hush crimes, and attack the conservatives like Buchanan with all our might, in very short order we will become a known force on the national scene, we will attract more support than we can handle, and we will drive the fake right out of the field, leaving us racialists alone speaking for White normalcy, with the cowardservatives either shutting their whineholes or joining us. Normal white people have supported Republicans and conservatives who didn’t mean it for decades. Do you think they’ll be less enthusiastic about supporting Whites who do mean it? You ever see the pictures of people when Hitler came to town…riding open in a car? “The only thing…that gives orders…in this world…is balls.”—Tony Montana It’s true. You know it’s true. Our cause has failed because we lack balls. Just look up and down this thread at all the bitching, whining anonymous faggots, and then ask yourself why the jews are running things. Not hard to see, is it? The jews have balls. Big fucking balls. Lie-about-anything, fuck-anything-up balls. Our ‘best’ men are scared even to mention what’s going even among ourselves, where there’s most need to be serious. No, no, let’s retreat to the fantasy where we’re going to argue our way to victory…by rational persuasion! Dreamworld, man. Pure fantasy. I’ve opened thousands of pieces of mail from people writing into conservative magazines; I know how they think. They will take our leadership, whether we are nazis or white nationalists, just as they now accept the leadership of neoconservative jews. The masses are feminine, they can do nothing but follow. The only question is whether we are masculine enough to lead. Taylor, Spencer, MacDonald and like conservatives are not. Not me saying that, or, not just me saying that, it’s Hitler and Goebbels, men who proved it in the field. They assert, and we lack the credentials to question, that the cautious, remonstrating, even-toned approach will fail, because the left isn’t winning by argument but by intimidation. 406
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 16, 2011, 11:55 AM | #
Hoosier Nation is starting to show its age, both relative to the politics it was addressing and relative to my own beliefs. I still think it’s a pretty solid intro to our local group and I still beam with pride at how closely the self-published booklet looks and feels like a legitimately published booklet. But it’s not written for and doesn’t speak to haggard old hats like you and Linder. Unfortunately, I’ll have to leave y’all cold for now, as the project isn’t ready to roll out for another two or three months. In the meantime, the closest you’ll be able to come to it is to ascend a mountain while wearing a wizard’s gown then select Clint Mansell—Lux Aeterna on your iPod when you’re approximately 3 minutes away from reaching the peak. Pace yourself so that the climax and apex are synchronized. Kronos Quartet - Lux Aeterna If you’ve already worn out that one or you’re not comfortable with the Breivik connection, there’s also… E Nomine - Mitternacht For the more traditional classic rocker types who need their lyrics… Queen - Princes of the Universe 407
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 16, 2011, 12:11 PM | # Lee John Barnes,
I’m pleased to see, by implication, that you acknowledge Mr. Linder’s ability to be taken seriously. In my opinion, this is because his writing suggests that he is more interested in truth than in winning popularity contests, which further suggests the has metabolized the formidable truth that we will never obtain our freedom through processes of mass appeal. Its not surprising to me that someone like yourself would find this view extremely disturbing. 408
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 12:41 PM | #
Silver, I find you somewhat annoying, and also somewhat jewlike in the way you go about things. Yeah, no shit. That was one speech from one man. Of course no one-off is going to do anything. Surely you know this, so why make a dumb comment? Same thing with me and what I’m advising. No one person can pull it off. Why do you think I’m typing here? Because there are smart people here, and I want to influence them to see things the right way. Without a very large number of people all pushing the same way, nothing gets done. Just, as Goebbels said, ‘piecework’ that is easily destroyed by the enemy any time he desires to. But if you have that group of people, all vitally committed, and on the same page ideologically, then you have a real shark pack that can take out the enemy, on the negative side, and do the ‘Hilfe’ stuff Parrott’s talking about on the positive side. It’s good to be a divisive asshole right now. Because it destroys the illusion we’re united on anything that matters, and it underlines the need to DEFINE WHO WE ARE before all else. Our cause must be a jealous cause. It must destroy all competitors. Why are we putting eyes on Itz Pat’s pages, and pelf in his pocket? Is he us? Then why are we making excuses for him? He’s our enemy. Our competitor. And all you guys can say, a la Spade in “Tommy Boy,” is “mmyeh, he seems nice.” Grow up, you fruits. This woman is eating our lunch, and we’re fetching him a beer and asking for an autograph. Christ, I can find garden slugs that understand politics better than 2/3 of you. The flip side of being obnoxious, whether deliberately or by nature, is that one has much easier insight to how things actually work - because one is never confused by thinking that the problems he faces are merely the other not getting to know him personally; not a result of their not feeling his warm friendliness and honest intentions. This old-cause+my-winning-personality will do the trick is common to naturally friendly people. They think, well, all the cause needs is a fresh friendly face on it, someone winning like me! But they find out they are wrong. The enemy’s hatred of and opposition to us personally and our political collective is quite impersonal, immovable and unchangeable. Yeah, the South is non-ideological. But so is Anglo-Christian culture in general. That is a huge problem for our cause, a huge cultural problem, as it were. Ideology does not come naturally to us. But you can’t fight ideology without ideology. You must have a counter ideology, and it must be applied impersonally. That was what I learned as an exchange student in Germany. I thought, hey, a cool guy like me can argue politics with these people (marxists outside dining hall). So I tried. I experienced a very faintly amused, not even cold but just neutral ideological appraisal, and all of a sudden I realized, hey, everything doesn’t run in the rest of the world the way it does in America. These people would cut me up for fishbait even if the mere sight of me triggered spontaneous orgasms. It has nothing to do with ‘me,’ it’s purely ideological. IMPERSONAL, ITZ. THAT is what we’re fighting. THAT is what too many on our side cannot understand. What the jews do is quite impersonal, but on our side everything we do is personal. It makes us inconsistent and unprincipled, which is a main reason we don’t get anywhere. We don’t even see the importance of being principled, being consistent, being reliable, strong and unmoving. We think that liking someone = us being on same side, and disliking someone means being on different sides. It’s a female way of understanding the world, and boy is it ineffective. Hell, half of us think that saying one thing this morning and the opposite this afternoon—all under a or many fake names—is the ultimate in cleverness, and shows real political savvy. It does not. It shows political immaturity. Ours is not a clever cause. It is a straight, deep, serious thing, and our behavior must reflect that. Even online. Maybe especially online. This consistency is what attracts serious men - it is what made me curl my lip at professional conservatism and drew me to William Pierce. He didn’t change his position to fit the tides. He stuck with what was true and advocated what was necessary. The conservatives are like a running-mouth river; they never say the same thing twice. Let’s get serious. Let’s get some veterans. Let’s get some streetfighters. Let’s get some writers on the same ideological page, with the agenda written in stone. Let’s take the world and make it our own. 409
Posted by Lew on September 16, 2011, 01:07 PM | # @Lee John Barnes No one agrees with anyone 100% of the time. Take Mr. Linder like you take anyone. Take what’s important, and leave the rest. 410
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 01:19 PM | #
Yeah, Herr Haller, I saw some of that. I’m usually slow to post here because then it becomes about me, and like Dick Nixon, I’m not interested in myself or my personality, I’m interested in what I’m talking about. That’s why I limit what I do here; MR has its own tone, and I do not want to change that tone. I started VNN back in 2000 out of disgust at otherwise excellent LRC’s racial syncopation, as I call it. Race fit so perfectly into what they were saying, yet they refused to tie the ends together. And they got rid of the few writers who dared draw obviously conclusions. It disgusted me. Racialism has a different problem - the prole Southern-Midwestern unintellectual level of most of its adherents, traditionally. Combined with a few very smart guys up top. What you see over time is the pious semiliterate Southern types, who are ok as people, simply are not capable of helping our cause save as fighters organized by superiors. They simply aren’t smart or quick enough to do battle with jews. Indeed, it is the hardest thing in the world to teach a Southerner basic facts about anything. It honestly is about one degree easier than teaching math to a nigger. A few of the lawyers can get it; beyond that the South is intellectually inert. But that’s ok. Our problem now is getting phsyical fighters, not thinkers and yappers. Southerners like the military. We don’t need mouths from the South, we need fighters. The problem in the North is the opposite: you get the bourgeois pantywaists. What works at the dinner table or on the job or in the classroom does NOT work in life-and-death political struggles with ideological foes. It really is a question only a genuine philosopher could answer whether it is easier to teach Billy Bob in Buttplug, Alabama, that the jew is preventing him solving his nigger problem or to teach Dr. Kevin in Santa Barbara that good manners will not effect a racial revolution. So we rile, roil, and rhubarb until one tendency wins out. It’s going to be mine. Not because I advocate it but because it’s right. But back to your thing, you’re quite right about the economics. But it’s useless to argue this stuff for the most part because people get their back up on words like ‘socialism,’ ‘capitalism,’ etc. I personally don’t see what’s so difficult to understand about market engine constrained within a racial political chassis, but even in racialism you have a huge number of leftists whose worst nightmare is a businessman offering products and services and making a profit. But yeah. In our racial state, of course, anyone trying to disrupt the racial basis of the state, or profit by undermining it, will be executed. There will be few jails. There will be only some second chances and no thirds. We will not fuck around or entertain christian fantasies of redemption, resurrection and regeneration. If you prove you are bent on messing things up for the rest of us by your anti-social action, we will put you underground. As I like to say, we know how to make more people. I propose that be the motto over our Auschwitz camp or Mossad entryway. But of course I can’t persuade everybody how we should live among ourselves, nor can they persuade me; nobody can. That’s the point of microstates for sub-racial matters. I don’t mind if people want to live as Catholic delusionals, or welfare-state wiggers, that’s fine. As long as I dont have to pay for it or suffer negative externalities. We can’t be that liberal on race because other whites’ desire to live with or among muds DOES affect all of us in ways we, at least, are not willing tolerate. As for me, I’m not even willing to live in a white welfare state, I’d fight over that too. I’m going to live in the most libertarian microstate possible, and watch the religious and welfarist losers mess up, and laugh at them from my side of the fence. 411
Posted by Silver on September 16, 2011, 01:56 PM | # Leon,
Yes, Mr. Haller, yes you have. I’ll come back to this in a moment.
Francis didn’t concede anything regarding reconquest, but McCulloch (what is it with people?) was given the last word, and with respect to the consequences of admxiture/extinction what could Francis possibly say when he was completely and utterly (and monumentally, when you consider the stakes) incorrect? He must have sat there pondering it like a stunned mullet (as they say here).
Back to this. As “uh” pointed out, I’ve been saying it for years myself. The difference is you’re saying it because it’s affecting you and your race, and you make mention of it as part of your general commentary, not really emphasizing it more than any other aspect (crime, culture, dysgenics, etc etc). Now, it’s affecting me too (strictly speaking, it’s affecting the world) but because the peeps down my part of Europe are sortakinda already mixed to a certain degree and the people themselves are sortakinda aware of it, and because the degree of ethnocentricity runs a lot higher, there’s next to zero awareness of it as an issue. So when I refer to “mixing” I’m making a slightly different point, and that point is that awareness of the effects of admixture was for me, as I’ve put it before, the “game-changing realization.” It’s what finally made me stand up and say, you know what, whatever one makes of “the racists,” on this point, on this vital life issue, there’s no disputing that they’re correct; and they’ll remain correct (about the forces in operation) irrespective of what people choose or choose not to do. It wasn’t with any great joy that I conceded this point, I can assure you. It hit me like a ton of bricks: these fuckers are actually in the right. Never in a million years would I have imagined conceding that Adolf motherfucking Hitler (so to speak) was right about something, and yet there it was, for all the extraneous chatter there it was: assert your racial existence and live, or subdue it and perish. It cast a different light on everything. It doesn’t get more game-changing. You’ve mentioned discussions you’ve had with the Amren crowd. Perhaps you were at the conference in ‘94 when Fr. Ron Tacelli was invited to speak. Fr. Tacelli began with an anecdote about lying bedridden in hospital when a visitor dropped off some racialist material (Instauration, Liberty Bell, some others—hard-hitting stuff). As sick as he was, he said, reading through that material made him sit bolt upright. Fr. Tacelli essentially disavowed racialism at that conference (no big surprise; they all do! haha), but why would the material originally have had the effect that it did on him? Certainly, racialism tends to punch through a number of cherished myths, which is understandably disturbing. But my guess is that it also affected him on a personal level, that it made him reflect on events in his own life and placed a certain pressure on him to reevaluate their meaning, and perhaps even to question his individual worth, all of which can be very unsettling to the psyche. The reason I mention Fr. Tacelli is that he was presumably invited to speak at that conference because it was thought there was something he might have been able to say, a point of view that he might have been able to proffer, that, dire as the circumstances appeared and fraught with prospects of tremendous tumult as the future seemed, perhaps there was an overlooked factor that, if brought to light, could “make everything okay” (hey, why not, the man’s a priest!). But the truth is there is no such point of view, there is no such factor. And perhaps knowing this Jared Taylor invited Fr. Tacelli along to indirectly drive that point home. Or maybe not. But surely that is the realization that must emerge for any thinking man: that everyone is, plainly, full of shit; that everyone keeps talking around the central aspect of human existence— race. (Or if that’s too much for people, then “racial relatedness.”) To exist as a human is to exist racially (or, again, “racially relatedly”). What the hell is the point of anything else? What the fuck am I supposed to do with a pack of blackassed hindoos or a bunch of ooger-booger niggers? And, no, not just a “pack” or a “bunch,” but endless numbers of them. For that matter, and for the sake of completeness, and to demonstrate that I’m not out to racially “one-up” anyone, what the hell is a Leon Haller, or better a yet Desmond Jones or an Alex Linder or a William Lucifer Pierce, to do with a pack of—I’ll admit it (but then I like it that way)—glib, smarmy, oily “Silvers”? (Sadly, there are not “endless numbers”—if only!) It’s the lie we’re all living, the lie that this “way of life” is in any sort of a way an improvement over conditions of “general homogeneity” (“general” in order to emphasize that mild (though measured) exceptions can always be made). Particularly galling is that, to my way of thinking, all that stands in the way of reordering our lives around this principle is a “mental block,” a mental block from which flow the torrents of BS excuses like no, not now, or no, it’s too soon, or no, it’s too late, or no, the economy, or no, Jesus, or no, I know this black guy, or no, the gas chambers, or no…well, you know. I had a sales manager once whose metaphor for the sales process was guiding a person through to the end of a corridor. Along the corridor are any number of doors. If the fancy strikes him the person you’re guiding will try one or more of the doors, and if unlocked, he’ll walk out on you and you’ll fail in your task to guide him to the end of the corridor. Therefore, it’s up to you to ensure that all the doors are locked, so that he has no way out. In real life, the “doors” are people’s objections. They’re not always particularly well thought out objections but, well thought out or not, those objections matter to people, and they will guide their behavior, so the onus is on the salesman to be prepared for those objections and to assist people in overcoming them—not to overrule people, because, as salesmen like to say, “a man convinced against his will/ is of the same opinion still.” The relevance to race is that most people know that “race matters,” but they will throw up any number of excuses as to why nothing should be done about it. And it just won’t do to denounce them, or scream obscenities at them or threaten them. The task is to make race as easy as possible, not as hard as possible, at least in the crucial fledgling stage. It may be as presumptuous as hell for me to say this, but if I’m to judge by the standards of Instauration or WLP or GLR or VNN or even Amren, then racialists have failed spectacularly to make race easy. (Geezus, Linder whines about Buchanan, but what about Joe Sobran? How many racialists sing his praises, yet what did Sobran have to say about race? He denounced racialism. When your own leading lights denounce you I’d say you’re in a slight spot of bother.) Can race be made easy? I believe that it can. This mightn’t be obvious given my propensity to indulge in racial epithets. I do it because I don’t see the same significance in my uttering those slurs as the significance they assume when they emanate from the mouth of, say, a Revilo Oliver. For racialists like Oliver, “nigger” is a claim to objective reality; this and this and this are the features and properties of this being (the nigger) and all who objectively examine him (including the nigger himself) must agree. Whereas for me, “nigger,” like “dago” or “gook” or “kike,” is “just a word,” one that I might use to refer to a member of a certain group with whom I am at present experiencing problems, but no claim to any greater objective reality is implied by its use; and that whatever my opinion of a “nigger” or a “paki” or a “gook” may be, there isn’t the slightest expectation that my opinion be taken seriously (ie as claim of objective reality) by a nigger or a paki or a gook etc; just because I may not like you, I’m certainly not suggesting that you ought not to like you. This may seem a minor point, but people don’t have to delve very deep into racialism before encountering the value judgment aspect of it. Indeed, for a large number of (often the most dedicated) racialists, the value judgment aspect is the sum total of what racialism is about. This point I emphatically do not concede. I’m not bothered by value judgment and I wouldn’t bother to attempt to extirpate it, but I’ll never agree that it’s “all there is” to racialism. “Making race easy,” in fact, consists in large part (perhaps in its entirety) in assisting people to learn to shrug off value judgments, to perfectly at ease with them. If this can be achieved then one of the main objections to racialism, often unspoken but no less forceful for it, vanishes in a puff of smoke; almost all the rest is logistics. 412
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 02:25 PM | # I disagree with you about LRC, however. I haven’t followed LRC the last two years. I just got bored with them. After a decade, I’ve kind of read everything they have to say, time to find fresh fields for new fodder. I tried twitting these freedom-loving heroes like that Karen gal in Michigan, but even mild respectful gibes will not show up on their pages. Freedom really is a marketing term to them, they don’t actually practice it themselves where they do control things. Yet another reason libertarianism will only occur as the byproduct of stronger men driven by some other motive, like race. 413
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 02:45 PM | #
I for one can see it — Racialism for Dummies. Racialism Made Easy. Schaum’s Outline of Racialism. 414
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 02:53 PM | #
Leon, do you really imagine we are going to leave nigs around for goobers to play with? And stand guard full time like a kindergarten cop watching over the South?: “Bad goober! (slap wrist) You put that nigger down right now, young man.” We will no more let the Southern tards play with blackamoors than a child play with matches. IF: no dynamite No, the Southrons and the jebus yahoos will gather on the shore to glub great lugubrious tears onto the granular dessicant as the great ship Boolipop sails back off to where it’s hot and wet all year long. And if the ship should get only halfway there before running out gas, well, we will call it a tribute to our new animal model and inspiration, the Great White Shark! In the new white state, every week is Great White Shark week. 415
Posted by Silver on September 16, 2011, 03:00 PM | # Not sure what happened with the italics in my last post. “Uh,”
True, but I wouldn’t downplay this. Quite a few disputes (subtle though they might be to newcomers) have been settled in the years I’ve read this blog, and they’ve been settled in such a way, I think, that suggests it has less to do with the idiosyncrasies of the current crop of posters ([though this aspect can never be discounted) and more to do with the “dialectical fineness” at play. (We don’t hear so much about “individual armed combat” [or whatever it was called] these days, small mercy.) Alex,
I wasn’t talking about the “one speech.” I was referring to the same historic “moment” as you were—the one you say you’ve written so much about. I remember those days well (mid 90s, Buchanan, rampant crime, “peace” in the middle east, war raging in ex-yugoslavia, just gotten onto Usenet). Yes, there was palpable discontent in some segments of society. Attempts were made to capitalize on it. You’re entitled to read it differently but what I see was an attempt—again, constrained by the democratic political realities of the day (not to mention the cultural inertia, which was probably an even greater factor)—that failed for lack of sufficient support (“plenty” of support, even plenty of hopping mad support, can still be “insufficient”). I can’t say I’m shocked to hear you don’t much like me. Neither do I you. Truth be told, it’s almost surreal that I’m even conversing with you. And heck, I’ll go further. You strike such an incredible pose that it’s inconceivable you don’t seem think you bear the onus of explaining yourself to others; expecting—demanding—others instead to see the brilliance of your approach, even when they tell you in no uncertain terms that you’re rubbing them the wrong way. It’s for this reason that, although I tend to believe your sincere, I can’t shake off the feeling that you’re some kind of anti-racist operative. (That’s a whole can of worms right there, though, so, well, I had to mention it, but whatever.) As for “jewlike,” you know what? I’ll take that as a compliment. I don’t have a problem with the way jews go about things. It’s the “content,” not the “method” that I take issue with when it comes to jews. And to forestall the obvious rejoinder, yes, it could very well be that there’s a genetic likeness factor in play there. But consider this, if you get your Separation as a result of it then all’s well that ends well, right? (Or am I wrong? Love to hear why.) The way I see it, we’re traveling in a similar direction so why not split a cab? I want to get off at one point, you want to keep traveling to a point farther in the distance. Fine. I can work with that. I think I may have said to someone here, I’m prepared to work with you people as far as “getting race on the table” (as a public issue worthy of serious discussion); and on achieving various forms of separation, up to and including something like a McCulloch plan. If you want anything more than that (and I operate on the assumption that large, unappeasable contingent always will—ffs, some 70% of serbs want to “retake” kosovo) we can kill each other later. (If this doesn’t pass Parrott’s* “Friend” test I’d sure love to know just what in the world would.) * I formulated a related schema. 1 - Identical race-kind. Using Parrott’s schema, Comrades can be drawn from 1 and 2; Traitors from 1; Allies from 2 and 4; Enemies from 3 and 5. 416
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:29 PM | #
Sobran was a Catholic not a racialist. That racialists treat him as one of us is, like with Buchanan, just another example of the need I describe for defining who we are and treating non-us as enemies rather than friends, no matter how much we enjoy their writing and like them personally. If you read the Patrick Casey article at alt-right, Casey depicted Sobran as literally sobbing over the death of Irving Kristol. Even though Sobran himself and his family were essentially made homeless and impoverished due to the actions of the Kristols and the other vicious, hate-filled neocon jews who got him fired. I guess that’s loving your enemy. I guess it’s fair to say Sobran stayed true to his principles. “Some principles” is the only way a rational man would respond. But every christian gets to be a heroic mini-me jesus in one way or another, I guess. From where I sit, Sobran just looks weak as hell. Is loving your enemies really an improvement on hating and fighting them? I don’t think so. I actually think a fair deal less of Sobran, as a man, after reading the article, which I’m sure was not Casey’s intention at all. It took Sobran, by his own admission, two decades or so to think of applying his conservative principles to Israel. He never applied them to christianity or his catholic church. But I can, do and will. Christ-insanity is not conservative, it is liberalism itself. How funny is it that the tryhards on the pallid right defend endlessly “what joe calls” the local and traditional, yet when it comes to religion, why, no local and traditional gods for them!, no siree. They go big, when it comes to gods, by god. They go general. Catholic. Universal. And the contradiction never even makes an appearance in their waking consciousness. Christianity is not conservative, christianity is universal - abstract, liberal, ideological. That makes it intrinsically anti-White, because it forbids the spiritual aspect, as well as the racial aspect, of Whiteness from being identified, which in turn prevents it from being preserved. These Catholics are ass-clowns. You can only laugh at their inability to think - and remember - Sobran was as smart as their bereft ilk ever produces, and he still couldnt figure it out. Only Fatman Sam, no catholic, got close to it dawning on him that the Anglo-American world of his intellectual training is behind and beneath the Germanicals when it comes to this heaviest political stuff. I tried to chide the fat man, lord knows I tried. But some men you can reach. Well, not without pretty words and big ol’ heapin’ scoops o’ peach cobbler. Why are me and Kim Il Sung the only ones who understand anything? I keep coming back to that question. 417
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:38 PM | # To diswax for the dull just for a moment. If you love the thrill of the chase, ignore the parenthetical below because it contains a spoiler. (We’re reinventing the wheel here. Everything we’re puzzling over the Nazis already figured out. No, but go see it anyway, it’s a great movie.) 418
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 03:55 PM | #
It’s black behavior that make race easy, after all. But in the sense you mean, it’s purely a function of contolling the tv and making the “easy” socially acceptable. It is not something a mass-medialess party or person can do. But then you would already know that before you made the point, right? Which makes me question your motive. 419
Posted by Silver on September 16, 2011, 04:20 PM | # Re “Cultural inertia” mentioned above. Maybe what I should have said was something like “environmental inertia.” I’ll explain. 99% your kind, 1% other kind is as close to complete homogeneity as you’ll find. From there, 95% your kind, 5% other kind provides for a very closely related social dynamic; in most respects all but identical. Ongoing immigration and miscegenation shifts the proportions with consequent changes in the social dynamic. A country with a 90/10 distribution is again related but the because distributions in a country aren’t uniform the 10 makes itself felt more keenly in certain parts, making for a social dynamic considerably different to 99/1. (Roughly USA vs, say, Sweden circa 1960.) The distribution is not the only factor affecting the social dynamic. State-territories (territories controlled by states) with historical distributions enjoy (or not) a different social dynamic than recently emerging distributions. The social dynamic in countries with historical distributions involves conclusions drawn about “the meaning of life” based, in part, on the nature of the distribution; the less that distributions varies the more consistent the conclusions drawn about “the meaning of life” (at least those parts of the conclusions based that are based on the nature of the distribution). The contention here is that people in a country with a historical distribution of 90/10 will draw significantly varying conclusions about “the meaning of life” or “the nature of things” than people in a country with a historical distribution of, say, 60/40. Since 1960 (or 1970) the US (among other western countries) has cycled through various distributions at a very, very rapid pace. From 90/10 (not in my opinion, but let’s use it) in 1960, the USA has moved to something on the order of 60/40 in the space of fifty years. (The “40” isn’t uniform, which is important, but we’re simplifying.) As the distribution was altered people adjusted their conclusions about “the nature of things” in order to accommodate themselves to the alteration. But pace of change being so rapid, conclusions drawn as the distribution shifted to 80/20 were obsolescent almost as soon as they were formulated, and again through 75/25, 70/30, 65/35, 60/40. Because the pace of change itself was evident, the concept of “change” itself increasingly became part of the conclusions drawn. By the 90s, a large segment of the population had drawn the conclusion that change is a permanent feature of the landscape. Today isn’t like yesterday and tomorrow will not be like today; accept it and get on with life. This is the inertia that a Pat Buchanan figure had to contend with. Added to this was the ex-smoker effect, in which a former smoker becomes an anti-smoking crusader. By the 90s, many a former racialist had, in part as a result of the aforementioned inertia, reviewed his racialist outlook and opted to abandon it. Some of these reformed racialists would have become crusaders, who are unable to be reached by the “normal methods”—likely, these have the effect of strengthening crusading resolve. (This may seem incredible to some racialists. “I could never be an anti-racist, not with all I know! Never!” Intellectual atheists are often just as adamant: they could never, ever again believe in something like “God.” Yet, stranger things have happened. I’ve gone from atheist (just as argumentative and annoying as I am with race) to theist (of sorts), and I believe Hunter’s conversion is at least in part sincere.)
Fair point, but I had in mind the more intellectual sort of publications, whose readers don’t rely on TV to tell them what to think. These publications made few inroads among the intelligentsia. Worse, I suspect they had the unintended effect of bolstering anti-racism (by which I mean the deadhead, reality-denying kind of anti-racism; I support the post-war peace movement, which is functionally anti-racist out of necessity). “Nooooooo, we can’t let the racists be right, we just can’t!” Whether that’s a “spectacular” failure or not, I’d still call it a failure. 420
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 16, 2011, 04:29 PM | # Good grief Linder wishes to lecture on people on politics. Don’t worry many of us have read Aristotle, Machiavelli, Gramsci et al. What amazes me is that Mr. Linder’s approach is fundamentally and utterly flawed. Even if in your heart of hearts you have a raging hard-on for Hitler and the Third Reich it is not a model of successful politics, then or now. I don’t care about the Holocaust but that particular regime has the blood of millions of Europeans on its hands. It is not a model of a successful and sustainable anti-liberal politics. Secondly, in trying to sell such an ideology to frankly normal, ‘mainstream people’ you completely alienate them, raise the ‘psychological costs’ for them to listen to you and simultaneously reduce your own creditability to zero. You might as well try and tell middle-America of the wonders of Maoism. The art of all politics is to meet people where they are and to pull them in your direction. You don’t really do that by metaphorically screaming ‘IDIOT’ in their faces (even if you secretly think that they are idiots). Thirdly, such ideological buffoonery as displayed by Mr. Linder is playing the game within the scope of left and right as defined by liberal political theory. It is backwards looking and not in the least bit genuinely ‘radical’ (in fact it’s dumb beyond belief). The ideological spectrum can vary along a number of different lines. A successful post-liberal politics will look nothing fascism. It is a total failure of political imagination to think the empirically disastrous regime (for Germans as much as any other Europeans) of Nazi Germany (that managed to last less than 15 years) has anything positive for anyone. Even the Soviet Union lasted one human life-time. So the German ‘political experiment’ from the early 20th century – well it’s hardly a very good model for anyone with the common sense they were born with plus a couple of brain cells to rub together. Fourthly, self-describing Nietzscheans and so forth seem to have all the emotional maturity of a teenager. Enjoying the jouissance of being, in their own minds, terribly ‘dangerous’ and ‘transgressive’. In fact this immaturity seemingly leads to many people enjoying the ghetto of their own small ‘sub-culture’ – the last thing that they actually want is for millions of normal people to be attracted to any of their ideas – otherwise, why rationally, would they deliberately make themselves so repulsive to ordinary everyday people? Lastly and no offence meant but Mr. Linder would have to be invented by the SLPC if he didn’t exist. To say he is a ‘ten a penny’ gobshite is an insult to gobshites. Sorry Mr. Linder you strike me as having all of the political insight/talent/nous of an amoeba. 421
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 05:14 PM | #
That’s hilarious. The conservatives in Kirksville do all kinds of things in public there. Where is Der Linder though? No one in Kirksville has spotted Der Linder testing the polarization strategy.
George Lincoln Rockwell, whose life came to an end when he was assassinated by one of his own nutty followers in the Neo-Nazi clown movement. 422
Posted by Trainspotter on September 16, 2011, 05:42 PM | # anon/uh: “In other words two impossible conquest scenarios. Expulsion is extermination-lite. (Trainspotter, I am not “attacking” you here.) Some guys just can’t accept that their bargaining terms are too high.” Look at a map of the world. How many racial/ethnic groups have successfully established sovereign nations? Plenty. How many have managed global conquest with extermination and total removal of all of their enemies? None. Regaining sovereign white territory is entirely possible, it’s only a question of how much or how little. World conquest, on the other hand, is not on the table. If whites, who until recently enjoyed pretty much complete and exclusive use of numerous nations and lands that covered huge swathes of the planet, cannot even expect to establish or restore white sovereignty in some meaningful areas, then the game is over. You soft sell this by suggesting that our “bargaining terms are too high.” Fortunately, this isn’t true. The game is not over. Again, a quick glance at the globe reveals numerous success stories. There is no reason why we can’t, in time, be one of them. I’m not certain what Silver’s position is, so I’m not “ignoring” it. I seem to vaguely remember Silver making me out to be a really bad guy, and probably an evil nazi, because I seek what all sorts of peoples throughout history have sought: a land (better yet, lands) of our own. If I’m wrong about this, feel free to disabuse me of my misconception. 423
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 05:59 PM | #
George Lincoln Rockwell was assassinated by one of his own clown followers - if I am not mistaken, some Greek fellow named “Patler,” who was pissed off about the sub-race question or some other bullshit along those lines, which is endlessly debated on Majority Rights and other WN websites.
Hmm. In Alabama, 90 percent of Whites voted against Obama in 2008. In Mississippi, 89 percent of Whites voted against Obama. That was at the height of his popularity. Earlier this year, there was a PPP poll (search the OD archives) that said something like 46 percent of Mississippi Republicans responded to the poll agreeing they wanted to ban interracial marriage. Just a few months ago, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina passed Arizona-style immigration laws, which brought down SPLC and ADL lawsuits. Let’s try a fact based perspective, m’kay? http://www.gallup.com/poll/146348/mississippi-rates-conservative-state.aspx Virtually all White people in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia are Christians and Southern conservatives. The majority of them are racially conscious too. It is only a small minority of White liberals that really, really, truly believes in racial equality. You see this: 48.3 percent of Alabamians are “conservatives.” 50.5 percent of Mississippians are “conservatives.” 43.1 percent of Missourians are “conservatives.” ALL of those people are either Republicans are Independents. The rest of them don’t bother voting. Now, we know the actual figure is far higher, because the Gallup poll includes blacks which range from 1/4 to 1/3 of the population in the Deep South. So the number of “conservatives” in Alabama and Mississippi must be at least over 3/4th of the White population. What’s the Der Linder strategy? Der Linder’s genius idea is that we should follow the George Lincoln Rockwell strategy and combine it with Cliff Herrington’s Satanism. Are you kidding?
Yeah, the masses of Kirksville ... they want the leadership of Alex and VNN Forum. Everyone in Missouri 9 - the overwhelming majority of residents who are Christians and conservatives - they are going to respond to a strong dose of Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, Satanism, and what they really want there is the NS dictatorship of Der Linder!
Maybe it is because the WASPs in Dixie really aren’t Nazis? Who wants to drool over the divine Der Linder goosestepping through Kirksville in a brown uniform with Rounder and Bill White? Are you joking? Let me clue in all my fellow Anglospherians: we are not ahead of the Nazis, we are behind.
Do you know anything about Hitler? Why do you think Hitler would treat a book he clearly wrote for Germany in the 1920s as some kind of dogma that is applicable to America in the 2010s? How can a man writing in ‘30s Europe be a better analyst of 2011 America than we are unless he has nailed something essential that persists through time and across place?
It is self evident that even Hitler would laugh at your political strategy. Are you kidding? Do you think Hitler would be a poster on VNN Forum?
Let’s suppose Hitler was resurrected and was able to travel to Kirksville to have a conversation with you. What would Hitler say to Der Linder? The first thing that Hitler would notice is that Der Linder is the town fool of Kirksville and can’t even rally his own damn neighborhood with his ideas. Hitler would be mad at Alex. He would want to know why Alex is invoking him as an authority to justify his silly position.
Where are the mass meetings being organized by Der Linder?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125066/State-States.aspx 43.1 percent of Missourians call themselves “conservatives.” Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer carried Der Linder’s district in 2010 with over 70 percent of the vote. So how many Christians and conservatives do you suppose there are in Der Linder’s own congressional district?
Conservatives have never fought for anything? What do you call fighting? You mean, running your mouth on the internet, right? Staking out an extreme rhetorical position? All you do is talk about exterminating Jews. The Jews in Kirksville laugh. You are harmless as a fly. Nothing more than a fundraising tool for the SPLC that reinforces stereotypes that marginalize racialists and polarizes White people against discussion of the Jewish Question.
There is no shortage of crude proles on Der Linder’s VNN Forum. In fact, aside from the mental causes, that is about the only demographic that responds to Der Linder’s appeals. Anonymous crude proles on the internet whose participation in “WN” is limited to posting as WaffenSS1488 on VNN Forum.
If we are relying upon Der Linder to lead us to victory in Missouri 9 with the George Lincoln Rockwell strategy, White people are fucked there! ”(I)t was all a game; a way of making a living.”—Joe Sobran on professional conservatism. Ah, but you anonymous bunkies know better. This is somewhat true. It is true of the National Review crowd - the Rich Lowrys, the Jonah Goldbergs, the K-Los, and so forth. No one really pays much attention to them anymore though because the establishment has lost its legitimacy. It is not true of real conservatives like Sam Francis and Pat Buchanan.
Why? Why should anyone trust Der Linder? You’re like a used car salesman on the internet. Why don’t you drive your clunker of a strategy at VNN Forum in Kirksville and give us all a YouTube demonstration of the polarization strategy in Missouri 9? Why are you trying to peddle something on the internet that you won’t try out in your own hometown? Maybe it is because you know it doesn’t work? Could that be the reason?
LMAO. It is amazing that Der Linder can say this with a straight face ... after having spent years on the VNN Forum attacking Taki and “Canny Sammy” and Jared the Polished Turd and James Edwards and Pat Buchanan. Why hasn’t Der Linder risen to power by now? It is a great mystery. The hatebots here in Montgomery think its the funniest god damn show on the internet. Der Linder is the mountebank of VNN Forum. The star attraction of the WN circus show he puts on there!
Yes! I think that normal White people in Kirksville and Missouri 9 aren’t responding well to Der Linder and the polarization strategy. Can you imagine how they would react in Kirksville if Der Linder and Cliff Herrington goosestepped through the Kirksville Wal-Mart?
If have these brass balls, then why don’t you try out the polarization strategy in Kirksville? Look, I will personally travel to Kirksville to see this - I want to see you ride in the open car through Kirksville with the Satanist Cliff Herrington giving the Nazi salute to the masses in the Wal-Mart parking lot!
Not really. Are the Jews at Truman State University somehow bolder than White people in Kirksville and Missouri 9? I don’t think so. Why is Der Linder marginalized in Kirksville? Why is Der Linder running VNN Forum out of grandma’s basement? Could he simply be a victim of his own foolishness like HAC? The Don Quixote of Kirksville? What do you think?
I’m not scared to mention it! The fact is, you can’t rally your own damn neighborhood. You talk about Christ-Lunacy and faleoconservatism. Why don’t you confront the Christians in Kirksville? Let’s see those balls of steel. I will come there myself to take action and witness this. Hell, I would pay to see that on pay per view!
What are you doing then? I mean aside from arguing with Greg and his Parrott on the internet? All you do is argue with people on the internet. Except for that one time you came to Nashville ... and managed to get yourself arrested, dragged away in handcuffs after screaming “nigger” to the crowd with Hal Turner, who was your buddy back in those days.
As it happens, the conservatives have actually been giving attention to the Wichita Massacre and even the Channon Christian and Chris Newsom murder in recent months. Can you believe it? I can link you to the columns. Yeah, the cowardly conservatives have begun to discuss the Knoxville Massacre - the same cowardly conservatives who it is impossible to nudge in a more racial direction, right? Who we should be attacking with Der Linder?
If Der Linder is such a masculine leader in the mold of George Lincoln Rockwell, why is he arguing here with us on the internet? Why isn’t he rising to power in Kirksville?
Why doesn’t Der Linder take his own advice seriously? Why doesn’t he prove it in the field? Why doesn’t he prove it and demonstrate it and make his point in Kirksville and Missouri 9? There is nothing like the old smell test: show us it works! Der Linder knows it doesn’t work. If it worked, he would have done it a long time ago. Now, he just fantasizes on the internet about riding through the Kirksville Wal-Mart parking lot in a motorcade like Adolf Hitler. Hitler himself would be face palming and screaming about the foolishness of Linder and walking back and forth across the room if he were here. 424
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 06:16 PM | #
The great Kievsky has armed me with “mind weaponization” to confront Der Linder and illustrate the silliness of “the polarization strategy.” 425
Posted by FB on September 16, 2011, 06:25 PM | # It’s safe to say that Hitler or Dr. Goebbels would not be VNN members. LOL LOL LOL He would laugh at Linder’s polarization strategy, after all he was forming alliances with National Bolshevists and bourgeois conservatives and Catholics… 426
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 06:26 PM | #
Der Linder doesn’t have a clue. A political leader is someone who guides a people from one position (the position where they are now) to his prescribed position (the position where they should be). By its very nature, it is a gradual and pragmatic process that has to adapt to real world obstacles. Let’s use a metaphor: a real leader is someone who gently guides his horse by the halter from “point x” to “point z” across a field. In order to be a political leader, you have to start (as Alinsky clearly pointed out) at the point where people are today. If Der Linder had a clue, that would me starting where people are in Kirksville, Missouri. He doesn’t have the patience for that though. No, George Lincoln Rockwell had the right strategy. Are you kidding me? The funniest thing here is that Pat Buchanan is someone who really does understand the art of political leadership. He firmly plants his flag where his constituency happens to be at that moment in American history. Then he gently leads them to his preferred territory through his commentary on political events. Meanwhile, Der Linder simply rants into his vBulletin at VNN Forum, having completely isolated himself from his own neighbors. He is utterly estranged and alienated from literally everyone in his own community. 427
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 06:40 PM | #
LMAO. In the next episode of The Muse of Hate, I might resurrect Hitler and Goebbels for they can get the chance to meet Der Linder of Kirksville. OMG, that would be funny as hell. Goebbels would be like ... so your propaganda strategy is to declare war on your own neighbors? Your strategy is to isolate yourself and marginalize yourself in your own neighborhood? And you derived that lesson from listening to me? Hitler would be mortified. 428
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 06:49 PM | # Please note that when I knock “Nazis,” I am referring to the American clown movement, the “vanguardists” whose ancestors were the French avant-garde and the American counterculture of the ‘50s and ‘60s, whose sense of identity has always been based on trolling and antagonizing their middle class, conservative neighbors for the fun of doing so. OTOH, I have great respect for Hitler and Dr. Goebbels. They were nothing like Der Linder or HAC or George Lincoln Rockwell in real life. Hitler wasn’t an ideologue at all. 429
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 07:16 PM | #
No. None yet. The powers that be very clearly believe in global political conformity. Once you have executive mechanism to enforce that, you have the technical means of genocide. And if you haven’t noticed, the array of tools for spying and shooting people in 2011 is nothing short of awesome, and will only grow more so over time. Technolgy is one of things where looking forward helps more than looking backward. We know from ex-Mossadist Ostrovsky our worst has been working on ethnic bio-weapons for decades. Global extermination is completely thinkable to our worst enemy - he studies it daily in his science labs funded with white-taxpayer money, and he celebrates near-genocidal past successes in his holidays.
World conquest is quite possible. And if regaining White territory is “entirely possible,” feel free to explain how we do it. 430
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 07:36 PM | # America is, what? 90% christian? But don’t you be caught praying in public schools! That will not be tolerated! You know what is tolerated in these public schools? Queers! The creatures the bibble says should be shot on sight. Little christ-crank children are taught that homosex is good, not destructive. They’re taught to be promiscuous themselves, if they can’t quite make it all the way to sainted queerdom. They’re encouraged to form ‘Gay-Straight Alliances’ and speak out against bullying. Yes, all this in a CHRISTIAN nation. Led by brilliant heroic politician-writers like Patrick by god Buchanan. I don’t understand? How could this happen? What a bunch of sad weaklings. Of course, Pat Buchanan doesn’t have any children. He’s married, but he may well be a homosexual, like so many other conservatives, including the weirdo-of-some-sort Sam Francis. My god. If Pat Buchanan is a “leader,” then black is white and up is down. It sure explains the wormly qualities of his defenders, though. But no, let’s be fair. Itz Pat! has lots to be proud of. Stuff all racialists can support: - helped Dick Nixon save Israel Boy, it sure is hard to see why things are going so wrong in America, isn’t it? With all these bold, valiant conservatives and christians out there, real men of principle, we must be on the verge of the happiest, healthiest, Whitest society ever. No? ... Instead of doing the same old losery thing, let’s take a new tack: attack “It’s Pat” and the the rest of the finger-lickin’ no-goods. 431
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 07:41 PM | #
Freddles! Great to see you, buddy. I like those three “LOLs,” shows confidence. Good stuff. Say, what are you charging Warman for a lapdance these days? 432
Posted by A. Linder on September 16, 2011, 07:49 PM | # Give it up for Fredda Brown, folks. The world’s first goosestripper. I own’t care who y’are, man, woman, in-between, that is some sexy-ass shit there. 433
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 08:26 PM | #
Well, my daft aperçu above on exactly that seems to have gone unnoticed. Could be something to that. Selective perception? To date, just one guy has given advanced military weaponry, and the wielding thereof, its due consideration with respect to this thing of ours — NeoNietzsche. To wax linderian for a moment, I’ll put it to you this way: No white nationalist can tell me how their fledgling enterprise, whatever it be, will survive the inevitable onslaught of high kwan weaponry. And don’t tell me “it’s an American problem” as though you don’t know Downing Street ends in the White House. Forget bioweapons and Hymen rubbing his hands going muahaha in his lab. The defense tech contractors don’t need bioweapons, as can be seen from what I sketched above. I know it’s easy to ignore these matters but the fact is peoples ALL OVER THE WORLD have to deal with tanks, drones, mines, energy weapons and robots when they so much as squeak up for themselves. What happens to “dialectical fineness” and everyone’s idiosyncratic “solution” when a M109A6 Paladin starts shooting 40mm grenades at white nationalists? 434
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 08:28 PM | # almost forgot LOLZOLOLZOLOLLOLOLZOLZOLZZZLOZLZZ 435
Posted by MOB on September 16, 2011, 08:53 PM | # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=player_embedded 436
Posted by Gudmund on September 16, 2011, 09:42 PM | #
It’s all hypothetical, though. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, the government will not even consider such things because white nationalists are not a threat for obvious reasons. Not that there couldn’t be ethnic feuds in the future. It’s quite likely in fact, given the slow-motion unraveling of the American economic system. I imagine that the future America will look much like Latin America, with economically more successful white groups competing with a colored underclass (and this could turn quite vicious as it has there), all overseen by an incredibly corrupt and wealthy ruling class. We already have de facto white separatism today anyway. The most likely course is that this will continue even as America becomes more ‘diverse.’ Eventually, the state’s financial resources will dwindle to the point that mandatory integration is no longer practical. Kievsky was right in one regard, that mandatory racial integration depends on cornucopianism which will not be as sustainable in the future. Violent revolution, though? Yeah right.
... Has apparently died, unfortunately. It’s a shame because I (and many others) always appreciated his contributions to various forums and blogs. http://master-morality.blogspot.com/2011/07/july-2011-horrific-loss-to-world-and-to.html 437
Posted by Trainspotter on September 16, 2011, 09:49 PM | # Linder: “None yet” Correct. Which equals none. Linder: “World conquest is quite possible. And if regaining White territory is “entirely possible,” feel free to explain how we do it.” World conquest is theoretically possible, but nobody has pulled it off to date. Even granting its possibility in the abstract, if we haven’t even retaken a handful of small countries first, I don’t see how conquering the world is even on the table. First things first, and perhaps last. An ethnic group grabbing a chunk of real estate, on the other hand, has been achieved time and time again throughout history. As to how we do it in our particular circumstances, that of course is the rub. You make the point that we have to agree upon who “we” are. We also can’t even agree on what we want, and where we want it, much less how to go about getting it. This is one reason (of many) why white nationalism still flounders around. Out and out suppression is of course the biggest factor, but we can’t even focus the resources that we do have. Many have called for some sort of organizational infrastructure, but what exactly would its goal be? Where are we going with this? What’s the end game? Does it inspire? I believe white nationalist ideas are spreading, but until it gets some sort of focus, it’s not really going anywhere. At the present time, the only person even trying to provide focus is Covington with the Northwest, and while I’m a fan of his novels, I’m not yet sold on the idea. I will, however, grant that he has breathed some life into it with good old fashioned fiction. And while I have no interest in various movement squabbles of long standing, it would appear that Covington himself is a limiting factor, talented though he may be in certain areas. But hey, at least we know exactly what he wants, and it’s small enough for the human mind to wrap itself around, yet big enough to inspire. He’s onto something there. In any event, our approach must be two pronged. On the one hand, we must continue to intellectually attack the system, laughing at it, scoffing at it, pissing on it. Fortunately for us and given our meagre resources, the system is doing a lot of the work on its own - but WN have helped it along. You’ve definitely done your bit on this front, and many of your insights and critiques have been devastating. Really great stuff, the sort of thing that doesn’t just change minds, but changes minds…if you get my meaning. Electrifying parts of the brain - I’m sure some know what I mean. On the other hand, we must decide exactly what it is that we want (it might be nice to actually have a single nation before we indulge in dreams of broader conquest), and start building up a positive vision of that nation to be. Covington has given us a taste of the power of fiction, but we could expand on that so much more. Art, music, and so forth (another drawback with Covington, he’s still too caught up in the 1930’s rut). Anyway, people gotta feel it. I doubt we’re going to get the polarization that you seek until we have this strong and positive vision of something we really want, something inspiring but tangible and remotely viable…and then our enemies spit on it. If we can get to the point where we REALLY believe in the coming White Republic, that would be a game changer. Oh, Ron Paul supports our quest for the White Republic, even though he wouldn’t want to live there himself? Well, maybe that’s o.k. But Ron Paul opposes our White Republic because it would inevitably violate some of his precious libertarian dogma? Fuck him, the piece of shit. Same goes for the more moderate race realists that you attack. Once we’ve actually built up a credible vision of the White Republic, and then Taylor wishes it well, says he might live there himself? Great guy. But he scoffs at it? Fuck him, the piece of shit. Anyone who opposes us is like coming between a dog and his meat. Fuck ‘em. Easy. But we don’t FEEL that way now. We don’t see the meat. We can’t taste it anymore, we’ve forgotten - or we never tasted it at all. We’ve learned to live on gruel instead. You get the idea. Once we have something viable to fight for, friend and foe will reveal themselves quite easily, and the passions will be aroused. We just aren’t there yet. We hate what the system is doing to us, but it all seems so hopeless and theoretical to most. People gotta believe too. Why should people box themselves in when nothing seems viable? Can we really blame them for not taking the White Republic all that seriously at present (or insert your litmus test here), when we’ve barely (perhaps) gotten it past the initial silly stage, with plenty more ridicule to come? Once more…this time with feeling. That’s just the way humans are built. We’ve got to focus on something great enough to inspire and excite, but small enough to appear at least remotely viable and doable. Otherwise you lose most people, if not for one of those two reasons, then the other. 438
Posted by FB on September 16, 2011, 09:53 PM | # When will Linder exterminate the Jews of Kirksville? Are the Jews of Kirksville afraid of Herr Linder? Do they know he exists? In a way, Linder’s polarizing strategy has worked, nobody wants to have anything to do with Linder. He has successfully alienated everyone. 439
Posted by anon on September 16, 2011, 10:02 PM | # I see Fade arguing with himself, and Linder ignoring him…VNN forum wins again? 440
Posted by FB on September 16, 2011, 10:35 PM | # Linder has no reply to Huntet’s points. What can he say, that he’s a failure in life? That he’s a marginal entity? That he’s a pariah in his own community? That he’s an irrelevant rhetorical radical lashing out in impotent anger? A tragic figure. 441
Posted by anon / uh on September 16, 2011, 10:50 PM | #
That ... is a blow to me. Don’t even know what to say. We had been out of contact since December (when I withdrew from here as well), and just last week I sent him a PM on the Phora asking him to e-mail me. Have been wondering at the delay. Poor Eleanor — we had several fun conference calls. Old girl would sometimes listen to us chatter long before announcing herself!
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Posted by Sam Davidson on September 16, 2011, 11:09 PM | # I think Linder is looking for this: “It does not matter how clever it is, for the task of propaganda is not to be clever, its task is to lead to success.” 443
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 16, 2011, 11:20 PM | #
Like never. They are laughing at Der Linder at Truman State University. He keeps preaching the polarization strategy to people in cyberspace. Why doesn’t Linder himself try out the polarization strategy in Kirksville? Wouldn’t you pay to watch it?
Actually, the polarization strategy has enjoyed some limited success, although not in the way that Der Linder realizes. It goes something like this: (1) I’m going to force the dumb effeminate masses to choose between my NS dictatorship and watching television. (2) I’m going to force these dumb Christians to choose between Der Linder, the Anti-Christ of Kirksville, and God himself. (3) I’m going to force these conservatives to choose between their conservative beliefs and my ideology. (4) I’m going to force everyone who doesn’t believe in exterminating the god damn Jews to choose between my plan and their moral sense. (5) I’m going to force everyone in Kirksville and Missouri 9 to choose between Der Linder, the Anti-Christ of Kirksville, and the Republican Blaine Luetkemeyer. You see, the polarization strategy does work: everyone is successfully polarized against Der Linder who retreats to the internet to find gullible people to take him seriously. 444
Posted by MOB on September 16, 2011, 11:41 PM | # Trainspotter: we must continue to intellectually attack the system, laughing at it, scoffing at it, pissing on it. Fortunately for us and given our meagre resources, the system is doing a lot of the work on its own - but WN have helped it along. You’ve definitely done your bit on this front, and many of your insights and critiques have been devastating. Really great stuff,
Do you “get” his meaning, Alex? I can’t make it out, it’s blurry. I’ll try this: doesn’t just change tires, but changes tires. My head hurts.
I want SO MUCH to be one of the “some” who know what he means. . . oooh, how can I know anything about electricity when I’m in my sewing circle all day and night - if I only had a brain. But Alex, I’m really happy you’ve been recognized; it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. : ) 445
Posted by FB on September 16, 2011, 11:58 PM | # Hitler gained power because he was able to reach out and build alliances; in short, Linder is preaching the opposite of his model’s strategy. Linder’s life story illustrates what not to do. Where are Linder’s successes after 10 years of activism? A dysfunctional board full of idiots and misfits doesn’t count. Linder has nothing to show for except a string of business failures and toxic associations. Anyway, Linder isn’t even a footnote. 446
Posted by Mind Weaponization on September 17, 2011, 12:40 AM | #
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Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 03:16 AM | #
I make it out fine. Sometimes, Marge, we have to see with our hearts. Can you see with your heart, Marge? What is your heart saying about Trainspotter’s words? How is it telling you to interpret them? From a place of love, Marge? Or narrow grudging suspicion? The grinch’s heart, Marge. I know you’re no stranger to the Seuss fable. Do you remember how many sizes it grew that day, Marge? I know you do. It was three, wasn’t it? Sure it was. You know what, Marge? I think if you focus really hard…I think your heart will grow three times larger too! No, Marge. I don’t think it. I know it. Know it. And when that glorious expansion occurs, a whole lotta new feelings are going to course through your veinly and brainly viaducts, ol’ Margie; yeah verily shall be opened to you passways of understanding as incomprehensible to a mopsworth as the peak of Kilimanjaro to a burrowing owl. 448
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 03:38 AM | #
Yeah, that’s cause Hitler got his master’s in conflict resolution from East Gutenberg State. They tell you about his art school kickbacks, but they neglect to mention he did go on to receive an associates degree in graphic design up north. He was qualified to work at Pottery Barn and/or resolve serious international disputes without the force of arms. But these are the skeleton. The flesh is the real man, not the resume. I think we all see the same thing when we look at Hitler: healer. A man of healing. A uniter, not a divider. A soother, not a barker. An arm patter, not an arm raiser. Someone who’d use his indoor voice even outside. Hitler? He was a people person. Not a some people person. An all-people person. Kind of like Jesus. Is that going too far? Not to those who knew him. They loved him like an Alpine John Denver. His positivity and personal grooming won him millions of fans, not unlike Donny Osmond in the American ‘70s. I see him as the German ‘30s Jamie Kelso. Hitler was good people. And good people attract good people, and that’s what Nazi means in English: good people.
That hurts, Ellen. Can’t I be even a leetle tiny bit of toejam in a footnote? No? Is your heart that hard, Freddler? Fred? No? Sigh. Ok. If it must be. No…no…wait…I have new hope. Can I be one of those cool monsters that hides under the toenail of a footnote of white history? You know, the ones that rage and roar and rear up in rotten feculence until Marse Tinactin takes a chemical flamethrower to them? Cuz that would be cool. C’mon, Freddie. Flip your old pal Al a Fresca here, buddy. 449
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 04:09 AM | #
He plans to ride through the Kirksville Wal-Mart parking lot in Cliff Herrington’s motorcade ... in very short order. But first, we have to create ourselves a national party, the White Freedom Party, and submit to the absolute dictatorship of Der Linder. 450
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 04:11 AM | #
Thanks for digging that, Sam, and that is a fantastic piece of advice and expertise from Goebbels, well worth rereading for all of us. I still think I’m remembering something else. Something specifically contrasting bourgeois cleverness with Nazi seriousness. The point of the part of the piece I’m remembering is that the bourgeois writers are all striking poses to impress each other - the MacDonald milieu in a nutshell; whereas by contrast the Nazis are dead-seriously winning people over - concerned only with the effect their reception has on tuning the message and the form of its delivery. You can see what they mean in Parrott and Kurtagic and pretty much anyone who writes for TOO. But I do think Parrott has a serious side and can drop some of his cheap clevernesses from our criticism, if he can understand what he’s actually doing (assuming he doesn’t understand and intend) especially when they come at the expense of those who have put their lives on the line to prove or defend something important, like Zundel and the German reputation, or a number of others and ‘the’ ‘holocaust.’ If you’re not going to make a thing of something that others roughly on our side do (WTC-D or jews-in-WWII), by all means, don’t use your reputation to parrot System propaganda terms, arguments and conclusion. Rather, leave it open and walk away. If you haven’t investigated, you really don’t know. So don’t act like you do. And don’t undercut good men who ARE making that the focus of special efforts. One thing the jew can’t do is force us to use his terms. We have radically underrealized how important that inalienable freedom actually is. Never, ever, ever should garbage propaganda terms like holocaust or anti-semitism be used without pincers, and even then rarely. Use an alternative or make up your own. Don’t normalize jewish loxism by using its terms like they are neutral vehicles for conveying meaning. Jews are the haters. We are the good guys. Every word used in political discussion is a miniature battle front. Choose to fight on those fronts - all of them. 451
Posted by Lurking Lurker on September 17, 2011, 04:59 AM | # I’m not sure if Chechar is Jewish, it’s possible if he has conversos ancestors, many mexicans do. But he is for sure at least part Mestizo according to his photographs and videos and has dated under his own admission Mestiza women until recently while dreaming of miscegenation with blond, blue-eyed Nordic women. But of course he’s just a 50-year old loser, keyboard warrior and lonely crackpot ostracized by his own family and friends who will never have any kids at all, too bad for his Nordic fetishism. 452
Posted by Leon Haller on September 17, 2011, 07:08 AM | # Gudmund, Thanks for the heads-up re NeoNietzsche. That’s too bad. I will really be bummed if I croak at 60, especially if it’s without warning. Massive heart attacks in people under 70 are really scary. I’m in my 40s, and I’m not positive I can get my main life’s work written by then (though I’m going to try), given that I have a couple of smaller works to get out first. No way I can get read all my ‘must-reads’ by 60. Nationalists don’t seem to enjoy very long lives, ever noticed that? (The exception was Revilo Oliver, of course, unless you also count Enoch Powell.) [GW: I hope you have made contingency plans for MR to carry on, should something unfortunate like this happen to you!] People should type some nice little condolences in the comments section on NN’s website. I feel for the man’s widow. Reading between the lines, I suspect they were childless; she was around his age or somewhat younger; he was probably strong-willed, and to her, the world; she planned her life around their having many more years together; and now, in her 50s, she’s more utterly alone than most of us could imagine. Just a hunch, hope I’m wrong. 453
Posted by Leon Haller on September 17, 2011, 07:37 AM | # A successful post-liberal politics will look nothing fascism. (Graham Lister) A civilized politics, anyway. If collapse or race war come, then all bets are off. What will it look like, incidentally? You neither want it to take, nor think it will take, at least in Europe, a Christian traditionalist form, though such seems eminently both desirable and possible to me. I have a hard time envisioning any post-liberal rightist politics that is not at least somewhat internally socially/racially authoritarian, though I strongly doubt that 21st century whites would submit to anything fascistic or externally militaristic (internally, perhaps, to reconquer lost territory, or enforce social distancing between genetically dissimilar groups unable to expel the other from the territories in question). One low-key possibility for a realizable post-liberal politics that I can imagine is movement toward the reestablishment of freedom of association (and thus ‘exclusion’, as the case arises), in UK as well as US - perhaps even growing out of alliances of mutual interest between different ethnocultural communities (eg, one could imagine English ethno-separatists having a tactical alliance with those UK Muslims who wish for sharia to be applied at least within their own community, in order to mutually press Westminster for greater local/communal autonomy for all communities). Personally, I prefer total repatriation of noneuropeans from Europe, which might require fascism or something like it (certainly, there will be blood). But ethnocommunal autonomy from current central state-mandated multiculti integration might be the best you’ll ever get.
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Posted by Ferris on September 17, 2011, 07:44 AM | # The thing that really annoys me about Linder, the pompous ass, is that he’s achieved precisely nothing in 12 years of pontificating on the internet. In fact all he’s done since about 2005 or so is turn what used to be an innovative and quite invigorating internet forum into a dull, boring wasteland populated by a few dull and dim-witted morons who recycle the same tired crap that he does. Sad to say but Linder is ultimately an obscure noboby going absolutely nowhere. I remember a few years ago Linder said somewhere online that he wanted to turn VNN into a “global multi-media pro-white platform”, or some such. Then there was his idea of a “white ADL”. Then there was his program of pro-white street activism - which began with him being ignominiously arrested within 5 minutes of his Knoxville rally kicking off. Oh but not to worry - that fine upstanding white activist Hal Turner stepped up and saved the day! LOL!! Linder has a clever turn of phrase and is good at word-play and insults. He’s also good at recycling the ideas of more intelligent and original men who came before him - mainly William Pierce with some warmed-over Nietzsche (and Revilo P Oliver?) for the whole anti-Christian thing (YAWN). Back in the day (remember Goyfire?), Linder was good for entertainment value, at least. These days, sadly, he’s a pompous, ill-tempered and ineffectual bore. 455
Posted by Leon Haller on September 17, 2011, 08:21 AM | # “white ADL” This is a very good idea, however. Some gentlemen with whom I am in contact are working on getting an organization off the ground that incorporates opposing the defamation of whites into its broader purpose. 456
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 17, 2011, 09:03 AM | # Yes I did mean the Southern Poverty Law Center - a typo on my part. As for a post-liberal politics (or rather a post hyper-liberalism politics) and the shape it would take - well that is $64000 question. But the example from Germany is not to be followed, as it was by any rational account a disastrous cul de sac. Political imagination in the West is exhausted at the moment that is why the task is so difficult. I think all this talk of ‘extermination’ as so on is absurd. The analogy with a healthy immune system is much better - building a social space which is more robustly resistant to the idiocy of hyper-liberalism and all that follows from it. Inevitably an immune system that works must be ‘stress tested’ but if functional it fights off the infection. There is no possible world in which liberal ideas disappear - rather they must not be foundational but instead secondary values. Any sane and sustainable post-liberal politics will be non-global, local, communitarian (the survival and health of our communities will be a core value), small ‘c’ conservative on many issues including the role of capital/markets, follow policies to build high social-capital and so on. Religion might be part of the mix, in America if she survives, but I doubt it will be part of European politics. Overall it is an Aristotelian reworking of the non-liberal ‘radical center’. Neither left nor right as defined within liberal political theory. 457
Posted by Lew on September 17, 2011, 10:50 AM | # Ferris:
My sentiment is that Alex Linder mixes brilliance with garbage in a manner that is truly unique. I have recently come to the conclusion that completely dismissing Alex Linder is akin to throwing bars of gold into the trash along with the empty beer bottles and pizza boxes. Better to take the time to separate the gold from the boxes and the bottles. However annoying it may be, it’s more than worth the effort. Despite the entertaining rhetoric and the brilliant portion of ALs content, his comments are often so long on school-yard insults that people are likely tuning out the good as well as the bad (canny Sammy, Jared Taylor the polished Turd, Buchanan is the enemy, so-and-so is a coward, etc.). Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, and the rank-and-file conservatives are not cowards. Taylor and Buchanan are great men. The best explanation for why so many people do not do things exactly the way AL thinks they should be done is that they find his arguments on strategy and approach unconvincing. Perhaps one day AL will adjust his style without changing the substance. 458
Posted by Leon Haller on September 17, 2011, 11:57 AM | # Immune system analogy is interesting and worth developing, but this
while nice-sounding, needs both greater theoretical elaboration, as well as some nitty-gritty fleshing out. What are the essential features of liberalism to which you object? What are the bases for your objections? What specific legislative changes would be enacted? How do you propose to build up the electoral support for your anti-liberal restructuring of society? Can this programme can be achieved without violence? It’s easy to identify where improvements can be made, but politics in democracies is made difficult primarily by the inevitable heterogeneity of interests (which include psychic and emotional as well as material ones). I’m still thinking, btw, if and how (and when) I want to reply to your query re my views on methodological individualism as the bedrock of at least economic analysis, though the basic point is simple: it is individuals who will and act. While this point is always sound, even with reference to aggregates (like nations), it is especially germane in the context of a consumer driven economy. Economics is value-free in the sense that it simply seeks to determine the effects of given policies on material wealth. It does not seek to evaluate those policies in terms of their intrinsic ‘worth’ according to some exogenous moral or preferential standard. Shouldn’t all social sciences be value-free? When discussing White Zion I am endeavoring to engage in politically dispassionate thinking. WZ is not my optimal choice as a means of preserving the white race (which is important to me as a necessary condition for the preservation and renewal of Western civilization). I simply do not think our race will survive over the long term without territorial seclusion and national sovereignty. I am not favoring WZ over other options, merely expressing my judgment that anything less is unlikely to work. You might say that wealth-maximization is itself a normative value in need of defense, but economics does not defend wealth-maximization per se. It merely attempts to discern what arrangements or policies most conduce to it. Whether society chooses to act on economic knowledge is a moral or other matter. But the knowledge of what effects derive from which policies is obviously not a moral issue. 459
Posted by Chechar on September 17, 2011, 12:27 PM | # Way above I was accused of being a “Jew”, now I am a “mestizo”…
Do I have Jewish blood in my veins? The hobby of one of my elderly uncles, now 90 years-old, has been to research the family genealogic trees. He said he knows who my great-great-great-grandfather was, and he was not Jewish for sure (since my father married his niece, the genealogic trees studied by my uncle cut both ways). However, since many Spaniards have at least a drop of Jewish blood, after I became conscious of the JQ I made an appointment with my uncle and asked him directly if he found any Jewish ancestry in our ancestors. He said that what most looked like that was a town in Spain he visited, Tortosa, which name rhymes with our last name: a town where many Sephardic Jews lived centuries ago. He added that the relationship of that town with our last name is that tenuous: only the rhymes. Our ancestors didn’t come from Tortosa, but from a town in Catalonia, Molino del Rey, with no such Jews as far as I know. It looks like we have French ancestry instead. As to the “mestizo” charge. Have you been in Molino del Rey in Spain, Lurking Lurker? Have you seen how the Catalonians of that town look like, with your own eyes? Granted: we Meditarraneans don’t look like Aryans (however much we are fond of Nordish women), but unless you are an extreme Nordicist, mediterraneans should still be considered white. Here’s how I looked as a child, a teen and as a 33 year-old adult. As to my “date” with a mestizo woman in Mexico, that’s a lie. She is a friend. We don’t have any intimate contact whatsoever. We even shake hands, like you shake hands with another male buddy, when we met. She is a very fine woman, very empathetic, compassionate and the best intuitive psychologist I’ve ever met. Our friendship is not romantic and never will be. The same with regard to my family. You know nothing of them or the tragedy that befell upon them long time ago. 460
Posted by Wandrin on September 17, 2011, 12:38 PM | #
I thought that was an excellent bit of street politics. The best thing an NS type organisation could do imo - because they’re guaranteed to attract publicity - is rally over issues related to the media cover-up of anti-white racial violence. . 461
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 17, 2011, 12:57 PM | # It’s one thing for the comments to feature unsubstantiated lies. It’s another for the post itself to indulge in this sort of behavior. While dealing with that sort of garbage in the comments goes with the territory, MR’s decision to approve the post making the claim that Chechar is a Jew is all the more proof one needs that GW is a scumbag and this site is a sick joke. 462
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 01:25 PM | # It’s one thing for the comments to feature unsubstantiated lies. It’s another for the post itself to indulge in this sort of behavior. While dealing with that sort of garbage in the comments goes with the territory, MR’s decision to approve the post making the claim that Chechar is a Jew is all the more proof one needs that GW is a scumbag and this site is a sick joke. You’re right. There’s some high intellectual ability here, but some ridiculously low behavioral standards. Anonymous punks should not be allowed to assassinate character with baseless lies. At VNNF, I ban people who accuse others of being jews, feds, informants, or severe character defectives (drunk, druggie, pedophile, etc.) without producing any court-level evidence of same. It is wrong to take what we do here unseriously. It’s as serious as we make it. We make of ourselves and our cause a joke when we let anonymous pussies have the troll of things. 463
Posted by Leon Haller on September 17, 2011, 01:31 PM | # What post states that Chechar is a Jew? Anyway, I must rise to GW’s defense. He is always a gentleman, and I think he does a good job with MR, though he perhaps ought to exercise greater editorial guidance, not re harsh comments, but to direct the conversation in racially useful ways.
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Posted by Matt Parrott on September 17, 2011, 02:03 PM | # Leon,
This one…
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Posted by Lew on September 17, 2011, 02:09 PM | # Maybe GW simply made an error in judgment? I have been reading this place off and on for a year, and this admittedly despicable post by “J Richards” seems more like a one-off anomaly for MR than the norm. 466
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 17, 2011, 02:18 PM | # Lew, It’s not an isolated error. It’s one instance in a pattern of petty and inappropriate behavior including outing comrades, hosting unsubstantiated rumors, and dwelling on the flaws and failures within our movement with a spirit more akin to a necrophiliac than a physician. 467
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 02:20 PM | #
Go vote Republican, you middle-class hair-primping pants-wetter. Omigod. Did he make a—? Oh. He did, didn’t he? He made a scene. Unfrigging believable. We don’t do that. We don’t make scenes in public. The respectable people will write us off. When the God-created negroes see fit to rape, torture and murder our beautiful life-starting young men and women—fuck them up the ass, light ‘em on fire, cut ‘em into chunks and throw ‘em out in garbage bags—we will remain appropriate, respectable and tasteful in our reaction. We will buy candles. We will march in condign and seemly order down a block or two. We will sing a nice hym, and wipe a tasteful tear. That’s how you do it. That’s how it’s done. What we will NOT do is raise hell in the streets, and talk to the people with anger in our eyes and strong words from our heart. We will never, EVER lynch the niggers who committed the hush crime, nor lynch the jews who produced it with their media-legal structure. Remember our holy trinity: It must be TASTEFUL Or it cannot work. That is my religious view, and my religious view is reality, because it guarantees my mental equanimity and physical safety, so how could it be wrong?
Let Hitler judge: “The course of a people’s history can be changed only by a storm of glowing passion, but only he can awaken passion who carries it within himself.” Oops. Hitler just said MacDonald, the A3P, James Edwards, Richard Meh-Spencer, Jared “Polished Turd” Taylor are unqualified to lead us to victory. Not that you couldn’t see that yourself, but it never hurts to ask an expert. But I mean, shit - what does he know? He doesn’t have a Ph.D. Some of his speeches are disturbingly close to be passionate rather than tepid. Never a good sign in a would-be revolutionary. They call it reason fluffing, not rabble-rousing, after all. *** What if everyone at my rally had followed me into the streets? What if instead of ~100 activists we had 5,000? And they all went in the street with me? Can you imagine? What? You’re not willing to risk a misdemeanor charge on your “permanent” record. So then how serious are you? Not at all, right. Can you face that in yourself? That this is all just entertainment? I went in the street to talk to the public directly. Because I know I can win over the neutral elements. And I can make the antis look more ridiculous than they make themselves (a tall brag considering in this particular instance they dressed as brides). There’s not a doubt about it. See, that’s the difference between a White Nationalist man and a niggling, remonstrating conservative mouse. The mice only speak indoors to people who ALREADY AGREE WITH THEM. They pay for a room to hold press conferences that only they attend, and then fly home talking about their great victory. It really is to laugh over. They never get anywhere. But they do get famous! They do make money! “It was all a game; a way of making a living.”—Sobran. You don’t have to believe. You don’t have to believe the sky is blue either. Go read the Hitler stuff at calvin.edu. You purblind English idiots are the most blinkered, bigoted fools on earth. Get over yourselves. Your stinky island is the measure of nothing these days, serious-change politics last of all things. Get over your hatred of Germans and just imagine Hitler and Goebbels as intelligent men writing stuff that fits in perfectly well here at Majority Rights. I mean, if what they say is wrong, reject it. But how can you say that - honestly? Read it - it’s so point-pertinent it stings. They’re describing our exact situation. Look at this:
We’re in a fight. Not a debate. Not a game. A fight. Why aren’t we fighting? Where are our fighters? We try to turn our potential fighting men into middle-class ineffectuals like our thought-leaders. This is wrong. This is pathetic. We need fiery leaders who can orate and organize. And we need ass-kickers who can stomp all who get between our speakers and the ears and eyes of our people. We get that, we will win. Quit acting like our cause is silly. Or this is just entertainment. Or we can’t win. The only benefit is in going directly the to public, letting them look in your eyes and take your measure. I’m in this for personal reasons, hell yeah. Because it’s the hardest thing in the world. I want the glory of beating it. And if I lack what it takes, maybe I can point the eventual champion the true way a little quicker than he would have found it otherwise. Our ‘appeal’ is Shackleton’s: BECAUSE IT IS HARD. BECAUSE IT IS AWESOME. BECAUSE IT IS GLORIOUS. “Mmmyeh, he seems like a nice guy.” That is my Spadey sneer at your utterly, utterly more foolish than you can imagine stupid puppy eyes at butt-asses like girl Taylor and toodlesome Meh-Spencer. To hell with your conservatism, your excuse-making faggotry. If you’re not White in public, and you don’t despise the jews as our worst enemy, you’re a big old nasty queer with political Q-RID, and should fuck off and die. Our cause is a jealous cause, not a tolerant cause. We want fighters; high-spirited men, not abject catholic catacomb-crawlers / cabalists of sodom. Later today or tomorrow I will find my idea for a public activism body. It is not something that has been seen before as a thing, altho elements have. It hitches naturally to some of the stuff Parrott talked about, I conceive. 468
Posted by Lew on September 17, 2011, 02:29 PM | # Matt, If that’s true, it’s disappointing. I am a regular reader here but not steady reader and don’t read here often enough to pick up on patterns. Upon reflection, the secrecy and deception post, followed by this article by J Richards, taken together add up to an attack on the entire continuum of American nationalism. (Everything from CMS to VNN). This post by J Richards alone probably justifies removing MR from the bookmarks. 469
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 17, 2011, 02:55 PM | # Matt,
This is very good advice, but if web hosts take it seriously, how are you going to continue attacking your race by propagating the Biggest Jew Lie in world history? Be careful what you ask for. 470
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 03:02 PM | #
Come, come. Everything on the internet is ‘uneven.’ MR has great stuff available nowhere else. Maybe a bit of downward pressure on certain types of lying would make it even better. Look at the difference: acceptable: joe is a: rat bastard, miskeeled finkaskink, mugalug, girl, effeminate, hair-primping pants-wetter, acquirer of mono by seldom-precedented route of tongue-investigating salamander cloacas; POS, froglicker, pantywaist conservative queerboy, conservative, asshole, mungeboink, catholic, squirrel-befriender, squeezy Pete. Those are ok. They are abusive epithets that indicate contempt. They are to be taken seriously as indications of contempt, and enjoyed for their hearty Rabelasian insult entertainment value. not acceptable: joe is informer, agent, grass, pedophile, drug addict, drunk, jew, rapist, murderer and likesuch. Those are basically criminal charges. Usually made by people hiding under a fake name and producing no evidence. They are free shots at destroying an enemy’s character. These should not be allowed. Of course, patrolling them takes vigilance and creates significant hassles for the editor. Then finally there’s a somewhat subtler class of liars that stays under the legal bar re accusations, but focuses on persistent insinuations all tending in the same direction - to destroy character and/or lead naive third parties to believe important things that aren’t true. This class were better weeded out too, but this is a more delicate operation, as it requires observing patterns over time. 471
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 17, 2011, 03:40 PM | # I can say for one that GW is not a ‘scumbag’ - nothing could be further from the truth in fact. 472
Posted by Wandrin on September 17, 2011, 04:01 PM | #
Hitler wasn’t in the same situation. He was operating in an environment where most of the neccessary meta-political foundation was already in place: anti-Jewish, anti-capitalist, anti-ruling elite, anti-communist, anti-banks etc. He had millions of people to work with who were already proto-radical looking for a flag to follow. His tactics revolve around how to make an impact in that context not how to create that context from scratch. The context he was operating in may come about automatically in America after the banking collapse - if it gets that far - or it could concievably (hopefully) come about through cultural warfare but what any budding Hitler needs to get started is a context where there’s millions of proto-radicals. It’s a two-step. So the question is are the people you list suitable for the first step - meta politics aimed at creating the right conditions. They may or may not fit the second step if and when the conditions are right but we’re not there yet. .
Quite. So the first question is how do you get to a position where there’s 5000 instead of 100? .
Over the last ten years there’s been a thousand times more street level activism in England than America. Most of the people you’re arguing against are American unless you mean English in the Amish sense. . 473
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 17, 2011, 04:09 PM | #
Oh diddums…don’t read any of the French ‘Nouvelle Droite’ you wouldn’t like them (they tend to be critical of the USA). After all we old Europeans are, shockingly, European patriots first and foremost. May I humbly suggest a society like Denmark is in profoundly better shape than Uncle Sam - again Denmark is 90% plus Euros/Danes - what is the % of Euros in America again? Where will that % be in ten or twenty years stateside? Which nation has the largest population of the world’s favourite minority (outside of Israel) living within its borders? America and it’s ideological foundations, which are drawn almost completely from liberal political theory and maximally individualist liberalism, is a significant part of the problem and certainly not the solution. And no this isn’t some BS or snooty ‘isn’t England great vibe’. The UK is probably the most culturally degraded society in Western Europe but a cool, rational assessment of the USA in demographic and broad sociological terms doesn’t look very good. Tim Wise might only be right on one thing. The clock is ticking very loudly in the USA and more rapidly than in any other Western nation. Whatever you all have been up to really hasn’t worked has it? 474
Posted by Lew on September 17, 2011, 04:41 PM | # Graham, To clarify, few Americans have more respect for old Europe than I do, nor more contempt for the US government. It literally sickens me when I think about the Asian hordes despoiling the land that gave the world Newton, Shakespeare, Bryon and so many others. But there does seem to be some genuine disagreement here over whether GWs recent articles represent friendly criticism, a lapse in editorial judgment or something else. Hopefully it’s the former. 475
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 04:48 PM | #
Matt, This is WN we’re talking about here. So Chechar is a Jew now? Hell, I am a cognitive dissonance agent who works for Cass Sunstein for cryin’ out loud!!! 476
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 05:02 PM | #
No, it hasn’t. The important thing is to understand precisely why that is. And the right answer is that white organizing is forbidden by the System. Not legally, of course. But the System always manages to cut it down, sometimes by hook but usually by crook. And it’s not just White organizing, it’s any organizing that threatens the jewish interests that determine the underlying agenda of the System they refit to their purposes. Catholic Coughlin and black nationalist Garvey got the same treatment too - all the way back 100 years ago! So although in the deepest sense we whites are of course responsible for any failure, in the ordinary sense, our failure is not our failure to organize but our failure to prevent the System from preventing us from organizing, which is a huge difference. It is enemy propaganda repeated, dare I say parroted, by too many on our side that “we are doing it to ourselves.” Oh nonono. We are not. It is most assuredly being done to us, and the real challenge we face is how to overcome that Systemic undermining. Because once we do that, we’re on the road to victory. Because our views are the mass-majority views among whites. That’s the reason the jews have to lie-cheat-murder in the first place, the reason they have to seize all the System choke and control points. The way that hasn’t been tried, in America, is to use the thinking, approaches and tactics the NS used, which I’ve quoted samples of above. Instead we’ve gone with the polite approach, which does not work. Let’s call it the conservative failure pattern. Our enemies are the biggest liars, cheaters and mass murderers in history. Yet our common assumption seems to be that staying safe, legal, mannerly and polite will defeat them. It will not. I always feel like I’m saying the sky is blue, but there sure seem to be a lot on our side who think it red. See the thing is, as one of your emotional spasms above shows—the emotional inability to handle something outside the conventional democratic-electoral box—we are psychologically in two camps: thinking in the normal democratic, electoral vein, while speculating in the radical-violent vein. We are loathe to part with the illusion that the normal democratic change channels are open to us. They appear to be open. That’s a crucial part of the System - maintaining the illusion that the processes are neutral machinery open to all. But in fact they are closed. The wrangling over these things among us is basically radical gestation, as it becomes clear to one more man after another that yeah, it really is as bad as the radicals say it is. Look at the votes, in America. If votes mattered, we wouldn’t have forced race-mixing, anti-White job discrimination or open borders. No white majority has ever supported these things. Yet we have them - everywhere. So we kidding ourselves that voting matters. We are playing along with a genocidal lie when we pretend it’s true. The truth we are trying not to see, or reacting emotionally too when it’s stated to us is that voting will only work for the White man when he is physically able to threaten the judge or official or police who try to steal, blunt, queer, reinterpret or reverse the outcome. Free association, which is the practical legal basis of communal self-defense was lost as a result of a judge reversing settled law. Law that had been in place for decades, duly voted in and adjudged back in the 19th century. Yet a bunch of judges simply reversed it because it thwarted the jewish anti-white agenda of race-mixing. Another 100 examples of legal illegality like that could be cited. But from that point on, the jews were simply big-dogging us. Daring us to do something about their brazen cheating. That’s where it stands today. We’ve ignored their challenge. And we have seen our societies destroyed due to our lack of intellectual integrity and physical courage. 477
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 05:27 PM | #
Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer in Missouri 9 voted against the DREAM Act last December. Unlike VNN Forum, the Republicans at least have some value to White people.
Der Linder went to Knoxville and made a fool out of himself with Hal Turner. He was escorted away in handcuffs. It should have been clear then that Linder is unable to communicate with people.
The Knoxville Massacre was a horrible crime. If I am not mistaken, I saw James Edwards on CNN talking about it back then. I don’t remember face palming while watching Edwards on television.
This is an excellent example of why WN is still a clown movement: no one is going to respond to your call to “lynch” the niggers or “lynch” the Jews. You are just shooting your mouth off, marginalizing White people, and delegitimizing a legitimate grievance. It has never occurred to Der Linder that communication is a two-way process. Communication is not yelling at people, browbeating them, expressing your own feelings. It is identifying and appealing to common ground between the speaker and the audience. Der Linder does nothing more than fling feces at the crowd. Why did he go to Knoxville anyway? They are nothing more Christians and conservatives there.
You can be all of these things ... all the while expressing righteous anger over an injustice like the Knoxville Massacre and the media’s coverage of it. Of course you can also strut around like a Neo-Nazi clown and succeed in changing the subject from a legitimate issue to an illegitimate one.
Does reality sustain the polarization strategy?
That’s a valid point. Kevin MacDonald is an academic. James Edwards is a radio show host. As far as I know, Spencer works for NPI and Jared Taylor is now in his sixties. The point that Hitler is making here is that a leader has to be passionate about his cause. This is pretty uncontroversial. Where does Hitler say that a leader is a passionate fool? A clown who declares war on his own neighbors?
If I remember correctly, I was eager to go to the rally ... until I heard that Hal Turner was going to be speaking there, who I didn’t trust at the time, and who I didn’t want to be associated with. Not to mention all the other attention seekers who were there. In hindsight, Linder went to Knoxville to draw attention to himself and condemn the Jews, not because he was upset over the Christian-Newsom murder. What did the Jews have to do with a black-on-white crime in Knoxville?
I don’t remember it playing out like that.
You’re just a huckster in the clown movement. You went there to promote yourself. Don’t believe me? Just a few days ago, Der Linder was making fun of drawing attention to black-on-white violent crime in order to take pot shots at Jared Taylor. Last year, Randolph Dilloway (aka SmokyMountainSS), the Hasta Primus of Creativity, had another rally in Knoxville. Do you remember that rally? The NSM’s “Stand in the South”? http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/08/15/knoxville-nsm-stand-in-the-south/ Here they are in costumes with swastikas and call kinds of different flags. What does this have to do with Knoxville?
I don’t believe the clown wing of White Nationalism is anything but an albatross. It is incapable of doing anything for me, unlike the Republican-controlled Alabama state legislature.
Why are you under the impression that Hitler would agree with you?
Hitler and Goebbels would certainly write you off as a clown. Notice how you are quoting them like you are thumping a Bible. In reality, Hitler and Goebbels were writing for a very specific audience at a very specific point in history within a very specific context that you are dropping. Where do Hitler and Goebbels say: this is what you should be doing in America in the year 2011? We’re in a fight. Not a debate. Not a game. A fight. Why aren’t we fighting? Where are our fighters? We try to turn our potential fighting men into middle-class ineffectuals like our thought-leaders. This is wrong. This is pathetic. We need fiery leaders who can orate and organize. And we need ass-kickers who can stomp all who get between our speakers and the ears and eyes of our people. We get that, we will win. (1) First, you are just typing on your keyboard, even though that is what you claim other people are doing. (2) Second, you are not really fighting, as that you require coming to terms with reality, and adjusting your strategy and tactics accordingly. (3) Third, you are a hapless organizer who has surrounded yourself with the likes of Hal Turner and Bill White and Rounder. (4) Fourth, you haven’t really kicked the ass of anyone. This is just a rhetorical game. Where is the ass kicking? I mean aside from the strong words here. (5) Fifth, after ten years of experience with the polarization strategy, and your own unwillingness to try it out in Kirksville, we can see that you are really just blustering here. If your strategy worked, you wouldn’t be talking about it to people on the internet. You would be doing something else entirely.
Of course it is silly. Why it is silly? Because it is so obvious you don’t have a clue. Your strategy is to insult your own neighbors and to declare war on the Christians and conservatives of Kirksville and Missouri 9. That’s why none of them have ever paid any attention to you.
LOL You claimed earlier that you were in touch with reality. Well, if that is the case, then what does reality have to say about the Linder strategy? You keep quoting the gospel of Hitler (actually, you are taking Hitler himself out of context) which are trying to apply to Northern Missouri in the year 2011. It doesn’t work, okay?
Honestly, I can’t think of anything harder than actually seeing the triumph of Der Linder in Kirksville.
Where is Der Linder in public? We see him all the time on the internet. But where is Der Linder in public? Where is the Fuhrer of Kirksville in his own town? Tapping away on his computer. That’s what he is doing. Finally, you’re doing nothing about the Jewish problem. Not a damn thing. Our cause is a jealous cause, not a tolerant cause. We want fighters; high-spirited men, not abject catholic catacomb-crawlers / cabalists of sodom. That sounds all well and good ... until you realize that your cause is Joe Snuffy, HAC, Hal Turner, Bill White, Greg and so on ... because that is the only kind of people you can reach with your communication strategy. Later today or tomorrow I will find my idea for a public activism body. It is not something that has been seen before as a thing, altho elements have. It hitches naturally to some of the stuff Parrott talked about, I conceive. LMAO Like I said, I will personally travel to Kirksville to witness you try out the polarization strategy at the local churches, at the GOP meeting, at the Kirksville Wal-Mart, at the Kirksville Town Hall. Just tell me when you are going to try out this idea and I can personally travel there to videotape it for the benefit of everyone on the internet who believes you have a serious problem for addressing the race crisis. 478
Posted by Armor on September 17, 2011, 05:30 PM | # If Guessedworker can no longer be seen as a serious person, we need someone else to do the job of running an English anti-race-replacement blog open to contributors who speak slightly imperfect English… How about Wandrin? Wandrin, I charge you with the mission to start a blog. We need videos, podcasts, and interesting discussions. You’ll also have to carry on with what used to be the activism section at MajorityRights.com. Of course, the moderation policy will have to be different from the one at MajorityRights. 479
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 05:41 PM | # Der Linder is also channeling the wrong German. It is Luther, not Hitler, who is more relevant to our present crisis. The West is mired in a great spiritual crisis that goes far, far, far beyond Jewish influence in our society. 480
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 06:01 PM | # The funny thing about Buchanan. You who are his fans have both too much and too little respect for him. You truly do not understand what he is doing. There’s not enough pie to go around. We have to scrap for our share. Buchanan is taking food off the WN plate. Yet we say, like Spade to Tommy, “Mmyeh, he seems nice.” Watch thisvery brief clip. This is exactly analogous to WN and professional conservatism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1valYG9IVI Quit being thick goobers. You Buchanan fans are dummies compared to him. You haven’t a friggin’ clue how his kind think or what actually motivates them. It is most assuredly not race. They are experts in pseudo-identifying and fake verbally fixing them - that’s the way old white people with money in America like to be jerked off. Pat Buchanan serves fantasies to the upper middle class. That’s his job. Some people clean toilets; some people jerk off old people for money. I don’t like it any better than you White men. If serious pro-White change were coming out of Patsy, it would have been evident at some point. But you guys are smart. What could be sneaky-cleverer than hiring a niggeress to be your running mate? It’s just that kind of cleverness that will defeat the jew and lead our racial cause to victory. If Buchanan provides leadership, then let’s look at where he has taken American in the fifty years he’s been in the public eyes. Let’s see…Itz Pat! started writing editorials in St. Louis in the 1960s. Ok. Pat Buchanan took us from a safe, stable monoracial country to a genetic hodgepodge ruled over by a communist nigger, all in a mere 40 years. So whatever leadership we want to attribute to him—him who has written speeches for the presidents who implemented these horrible policy changes leading to the sickening social decline—has been wholly backward. That’s why we call him Patsy Decline. He’s a professional demurrer, whiner, kibitzer, sad head-shaker, after-the-facter - loser. Not anyone our cause should respect or associate with or help in any way at all. He has the stink of failure all over him, as does the entire professional right. The people with dirty souls, the sell-outs, the don’t-mean-its, the race-traitors - all we do is demoralize and confuse a public that might support us by associating with these proven loses. We aren’t using Buchanan. Buchanan is using us. We should stop letting him. How much more of the money and fame pouring to him would come into racialist coffers if he were seen to be a pathetic old punch-pulling weakling, rather than some kind of old-timey hero? Our cause must be a jealous cause, an intolerant cause. We want everybody joining us, not the despicable—but very rich and capable—professional conservative weaklings. 481
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 06:13 PM | # Southern conservatism will save us. Not racialism. Southern conservatism. Southerners are tasteful, refined, intelligent, real winners. And there’s nothing more Southern and conservative than the love of a good college football game, no matter if 90% of the players are Africans. Principles, consistency, honesty, integrity - Southerners don’t go for abstract shit like that. Hell, no! Them’s fun-lovin’ fudgy-pudgy hoot-having tailigators; real Jack-drinking, catfish-noodlin’, grits-lickin’ Alabama-ham-sters. They go for this shit:
Mate this good Southern woman up with seedless Pat Buchanan, I don’t see any way we can fail to fail to lose. 482
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 06:13 PM | # Southern conservatism will save us. Not racialism. Southern conservatism. Southerners are tasteful, refined, intelligent, real winners. And there’s nothing more Southern and conservative than the love of a good college football game, no matter if 90% of the players are Africans. Principles, consistency, honesty, integrity - Southerners don’t go for abstract shit like that. Hell, no! Them’s fun-lovin’ fudgy-pudgy hoot-having tailigators; real Jack-drinking, catfish-noodlin’, grits-lickin’ Alabama-ham-sters. They go for this shit:
Mate this good Southern woman up with seedless Pat Buchanan, I don’t see any way we can fail to fail to lose. 483
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 17, 2011, 06:15 PM | # This message is hidden because Hunter Wallace is on your ignore list. Didn’t Pat C. D. Cline have a song called stand by yer man? http://www.myvideo.de/watch/6024994/Patsy_Cline_Stand_by_your_man 484
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 06:25 PM | # How do you post images on this? bueller? img tags don’t work. 485
Posted by Silver on September 17, 2011, 06:26 PM | #
Of all the things to harangue Linder over “getting arrested” is without question the dumbest. On this he’s unassailable. Getting arrested is virtually prerequisite for serious political change. Do people have any idea how many presidents of countries have done time for their political views? That said, there very much is the issue of timing. If one can be more use free than languishing in prison then that needs to be taken into account—after all, sympathetic coverage of your plight could take decades, if it even occurs at all. Linder’s also correct about the need to hit the streets. And not merely in some cuddly, feel-good march, arms linked in solidarity, whistling “It’s A Long Way To Tipperary”—that would certainly help, but of itself won’t change anything. He’s talking serious street activism. Where Linder is wrong—dead wrong (imho)—is his assumption of the degree to which whites are already with him. They’re not with you, Alex, you dickhead, regarding race war for the bloody sport of it—“kill the niggers ‘cos they suck and we’re just plain better, yeeha.” Maybe that’s not what you mean, but it sure as hell is the way it comes across. I can scarcely think of a more effective way to screw up your message. In the long run, of course, it won’t make a difference. But as a “hook” your rhetoric is an epic, epic fail. I’m not suggesting that this aspect of it is the sum total of your rhetoric, but if you’re going to engage in the physical actions necessary people absolutely will zero in on this aspect of it. What a waste of effort, of time, of resources, of (potential and actual) goodwill, and of mental reserves (the will to struggle on)—and all of it for what? Because you couldn’t restrain yourself. Is the toothpaste out of the tube regarding pro-white street activism? Not necessarily, but it’s close. There’s’ a very, very firm association between pro-white street activism and gratuitous (thus immoral) race-hatred in the public mind and it’s one hell of a hurdle. That certainly wasn’t an obstacle the nazis you model yourself on faced in their day. What advice do you suppose dein Fuhrer would give you today? To ignore the public mind, completely, and press on irrespective of the alienation you bring on yourself?
I missed this. This is a wonderfully terse summary. I hate this son of a bitch and those like him (eg “Selous Scout”—ptui, I spit on him), but credit where it’s due. Chechar,
But isn’t what you’re really saying that you (actually “we,” somos hermanos, tu y yo, hombre) should be considered “the same race” as them? But why? Why is that so necessary? Isn’t it enough to be “for race”? By which I mean wouldn’t the application of the “for race”* principle be sufficient to achieve everything you want out of racialism? What added gain is there from this insistence that no “white” may distinguish himself from any other “white”? As far I can tell, it hinders far more than it helps; it makes race harder rather than easier. *(“For race” = for racial belonging at the level of the individual; for racial living at the level of society; for racial exclusivity at the level of territory; for racial relatedness in dealings with others [who to support, who to oppose, who to favor etc])
But what if it turned out that you did have jewish blood? What then, Chechar? Are you going to take back everything you said? Will everything that you insisted was of utmost importance and non-negotiable suddenly become negotiable and of debatable import? Race has clearly gone to your head. You’re in a state of wide-eyed racial bewilderment: wow, it’s true, some humans are veritable genetic marvels, some veritable genetic crud… All praise the genetic marvels! Down with the genetic crud! Sigh. If I didn’t know you grew up in Mexico I would have eventually deduced that you did not grow up around the “northmen.” There’s not a chance in hell you’d be a tenth as laudatory if you knew them in their element. Take a look again at the link Robert Reis posted. That’s the lived reality, week in, week out, of the average nordic demigod; dissolute, degenerate, debauched. You’ll notice I said “average.” Surely it’s the “average” that counts in formulating a political strategy to rally the masses. While it’s true that at their peak, among the highest echelon, the nordlings have produced a number of eminently admirable individuals (accomplished men, divine beauties), what possible good is a political philosophy that stresses the importance and value of a blessed few genetic worthies? The man on the street has a thousand more pressing concerns than worrying about whether the culture lavishes sufficient praise on a lucky few whom he will never meet or interact with or even see with his own eyes. Such worshipful elitism is akin to a tree-hugging hippy environmentalist reaching conservationist nirvana on learning that—praise be to Gaia!—somewhere in the wilds of the Brazilian interior the Amazonian tree frog lives on! 486
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 17, 2011, 06:39 PM | #
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Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 17, 2011, 06:47 PM | # Weird. The tag I’m referring to is the 7th from the right; A lower case “a” between “less than” and “greater than” symbols. 488
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 06:58 PM | #
You’re thinking about it wrong. Like the other conservatives you see yourself as the servant of the public, the public as some sort of queen, and you the waiter with the silver salver in waiting to bring it some cat food or caviar. Think of yourself and our cause rather as the master of the public. Its leader. But needing the public. Just as Hitler would play it: the future of your (nation) (race) is tied up in whether you personally join us. Look in their eyes. Mean it. NO bullshit about “appealing to women” or likesuch horsecrap. We aren’t pandering. We aren’t procuring. We’re fucking LEADING. That petty political Rep-Dem lying money-shuffle is 100 miles away from this stuff. It’s the meta-message that matters. Yeah, those cheap weakling cads like Buchanan used and abused you for your money, but we mean it. We will stick by you thick and thin (Parrott hit on this the other day). You can TRUST us. We won’t RUN at the first sign of trouble like other conservative cads who sorta sound like us do. They are cowards. We are real men. Trust us and work with us, because we need you to join us so together we can all solve these common problem we all recognize (insert whatever selection of the 500, 000 mess-manifestations in modern ‘Kwa you prefer). Now do you get, Silverio? It aint got nothin’ to do with me, do be fooled by the flourishes. Anyone can operate on the lines AH laid down, and I am reasonably adapting to American circumstance. We’re either in the pool or out. We can’t be kind of in and kind of out. Our enemy is wholly in. All his eggs in one basket. The opponent who would beat him must be all in too. Is this really not self-evident? The old style guy, the well meaning but hapless Southern conservative, focuses on the nigger that committed the crime. Not the people who created the System that facilitated it. We have to be much smarter than that, and go after the jews (and sellouts) who keep this foul thing running. There is no other example in history more applicable than the NS taking on jews in Germany yesterday. That doesn’t mean every particular has a parallel, but it means in general the jews today follow the same practices in suppressing the natives they did back then, so whatever the Nazis did that worked in Germany then will probably work for us today. Or we could keep on with the conservative failure patterns that have literally never worked a single time in history. 489
Posted by FB on September 17, 2011, 07:06 PM | # I don’t think somebody like Linder would’ve been tolerated in the NSDAP, since he’s too individualistic, cantankerous, and asocial. Again, Hitler would reject his polarization strategy as he tolerated various factions and cliques within his own movement - even the trouble-making National Bolshevists and Strasserites until they tried to overthrow him, only then did he react. Further, it’s precisely his willingness to talk with everyone, including conservatives and Catholics like Bruning, that brought him to the heights of power. But just to mention Linder with Hitler in the same sentence is absurd. You don’t build a movement by antagonizing potential allies and calling them filthy names. Anyway, Linder is just unable to work with others who don’t fully embrace his exterminationist rhetoric or the Single Cause argument. Read Hitler’s speeches of the 20s and 30s, he hardly even mentions Jews. People didn’t vote for him because he addressed the JQ, they voted for him because he addressed their everyday concerns like the economy, education, culture, foreign affairs, etc. He wasn’t a one-trick poney like Linder. Had he obsessed about Jews he would’ve remained a marginal rabble-rouser. The JQ, however, is Linder’s litmus test. There’s no better way to turn off the average White man than to promote genocide of Jews or even to obsess about them like Linder does in his obsessive-compulsive way. Can you imagine Hitler using terms like Christ-insanity in public, for example? The National Socialists were serious men who meant business; Linder is an ineffectual and isolated nobody who literally has alienated every pro-White individual of consequence in the US. He’s unable to work with anyone. His usefulness remains in pointing out what not to do, only in that respect is Linder of any use to us. Finally, I’ll add that the game has changed. There are today many right-wing, Zionist Jews that share our racialist, anti-liberal worldview. The advent of Israel and ethno-religious politics in the Middle East is a very significant development in Jewry’s history. Today, Christian Strache hobnobs with Avigdor Lieberman in Jerusalem while Linder writes another anachronistic “Death to the Jews” in his grandma’s basement. Who’s likely to improve things in a White direction? 490
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 07:12 PM | # We must think this way: the white public is our ward. Not our dominatrix. 491
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 07:21 PM | #
I played baseball in college. I played right field, had highest batting average on team. I also base coached, ran to fetch foul balls, did backup catching, helped the freshman pitchers develop, helped deliver lunches for my teammates with work-study jobs, backed up the captains to keep everybody in line and moving the right way. I’m a great teammate whether I’m the star or the backup on the bench. Self praise is gauche; what I have stated is objective fact. The first thing our cause must do, and this is straight from NS, is exalt and distinguish ourselves in the eyes of the public. This means utter separation from those, most of all, who are LIKE us but NOT us - the professional conservatives. The desperate trolling here is not because I’m wrong, it’s because I’m right. You may well be part of that trolling, who knows. How do you drown the White cause? You drown it in the failure fondue of professional conservatism. 492
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 07:33 PM | #
‘Hobnobs’? Is that what you’re calling it these days? I think you mean knob-gobbles. Don’t worry, Freddler. Your turn will come. No, but you’re right. If Hitler were alive today he’d truckle before the Almighty Jew like you advise. Someone paying you, Freddy? 493
Posted by FB on September 17, 2011, 07:36 PM | # To you a “professional conservative” is simply a pro-White advocate who doesn’t exhibit a Linderesque Judeomania. By the way, I detect a degree of jealousy and resentment in your bitter denunciations of successful individuals while you lead a precarious hand to mouth existence. Show us how after ten years the polarization strategy has worked out for you. List your accomplishments. 494
Posted by Wandrin on September 17, 2011, 07:42 PM | # Armor
I spend part of my activism time in left-wing anti-banking groups. For health reasons i need to be very strict about compartmentalizing. 495
Posted by anon / uh on September 17, 2011, 07:54 PM | #
Long have I wished to see Wandrin in action at these left-wing fora. You’re always alluding. My man-crush for you is about as swollen as PF’s for me. 496
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 07:57 PM | #
No, Hitler would not have used it in that time, but times have changed, like you all are always saying. Christ-insanity is weaker than it’s ever been, and many of the white men we can attract, on the left, openly mock and despise it just the way I do, altho for different reasons. Go read around the Gawker ring. It’s like what Beavis said about Ozzy Osbourne. You might have scared someone with that face 20 years ago, but not anymore. Christ-insanity is a terribly destructive cult, and opposing it is a winner, not a loser. The non-insane christians will side with our racial sense more often than not, if the choice is forced on them. The preachers aren’t man enough to stand against us anyway, as soon as we have even minimal power. If you don’t think the christ-cranks are our enemy at this very minute, consider this commentary culled from a poster off some blog:
Yeah, no, this kind of creature we must walk on eggshells around. It would be crazy to treat them as the open enemy they are, we must pretend they’re on our side and suck up to them. It’s later than some of you think. The cultural degradation the jews have inflicted on White society has been for the worst in most ways, but not insofar as the jews have degraded the christ cult. That degeneration works very much to our advantage. It is purely due to the influence of christian teachings that jews weren’t exterminated in the middle ages when their existential threat was finally recognized. The more jews roughen and dumb white society, the more open White youth are to considering jew-solutions that actually solve things. Let’s take advantage of one of the unintended consequences of jew-led cultural disintegration and turn it to White advantage for once. 497
Posted by anon / uh on September 17, 2011, 07:59 PM | #
Holy shit that is funny. I just erupted in lolzlolzlolzlolzz. I’ve had to stop reading this thread, Alex — you’re too good at what you do and I can’t take all the pure raging talent. 498
Posted by anon / uh on September 17, 2011, 08:01 PM | #
Not familiar with the phrase “ernste Bibelforscher”, FB? In public no, but there was endless private mockery of the christlings, as you must know. In the end Linder is not at the podium, so it follows he can allow himself more freedom of expression where the corporal had to land soft punches. 499
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 17, 2011, 08:10 PM | # Well another issue is that people who appear to be bloodthirsty psychopaths and seemingly are pro-actively agitating for violence on the streets kinda either scare Mr & Mrs Average or look like deluded nut-jobs to them. The overwhelming reaction to something like the Linder style of street ‘politics’ (is saying the n word a lot really a political strategy?) is that of utter indifference from probably 95%+ of white people. On the Youtube footage of his protest it simply looks like some raving lunatic mouthing off. Sorry but that’s the reaction of most average people to such scenes. Human societies are rather complex phenomena - this idee fixe upon a ‘catch-all’ monocausal ‘explanation’ (Jews, Jews, and more Jews) is risible. Liberalism, which is the most ‘successful’ ideology the world has ever experienced in that it has became the foundational basis for modernity in the West, is a product of the European mind. John Locke wasn’t one of the ‘chosen people’ now was he? And even someone like Spinoza was hated by the Jewish authorities of his own time. The issue is that to have real traction any ideology must, in part, correspond with something that has resonance in human experience and desires. The trouble is that all ideologies mistakenly take their, at best partial truths, and assume they describe the whole truth about human realities. They do not. Understanding why and how liberalism has achieved ‘full spectrum dominance’ requires more thought than simply blaming the admittedly repulsive Abe Foxman and his cronies. And my I ask why is GW now dubbed non-serious? 500
Posted by Wandrin on September 17, 2011, 08:13 PM | #
It’s a bit like method acting. You have to have different personas and be really strict about keeping it all in separate compartments. 501
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 17, 2011, 08:14 PM | # it’s late here - may not my - sorry for the typo but why is GW now dubbed non-serious? 502
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 08:14 PM | #
Note: I’m archiving my posts in this discussion on the OD Forum ... the alternative to “VNNForum.com” and all clown forums in the WN movement. http://www.occidentaldissent.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3800 Hmm. Where does this “racialism” come from in the United States? Oh wait ... do you mean there were “White people” in the American South for centuries before this discourse called “White Nationalism” was created by Neo-Nazis in the 1970s and 1970s? Do you mean there was once a time when everyone in the American South was “pro-White,” but no one had ever heard of “White Nationalism” before?
Football is just a game. People here were obsessed with football before integration. They will still enjoy football when integration is overthrown ... just like the French will play soccer regardless of whether or not blacks are on the team. There are millions of racialists in the American South. The majority of the White population here is already racially conscious to some degree. How strange. Why aren’t they joining Der Linder in the White Nationalist movement? These millions of people who are already pro-White and who already believe in racial differences? The Duke voters in the 1990s. The Wallace voters in the 1970s and 1980s. Could it be ... because they are racial conservatives? What’s the difference between a “racial conservative” and a “White Nationalist”? Well, for starters, WNs like Linder are ideologues who worship an abstraction called whiteness, whereas for a conservative their racial identity is only one aspect of their identity. And so, a racial conservative can watch a football game and identify with their university, and it won’t phase him in the slightest. He still won’t vote for Barack Hussein Obama. Der Linder has the most brilliant strategy: there is a contradiction between WN and having a life, there is a contradiction between WN and your religion, there is a contradiction between WN and your morality, there is a contradiction between WN and your university, there is a contradiction between WN and your conservative beliefs. So what happens? How does the “polarization strategy” work in practice? Oh wait ... everyone is polarized against Linder, or writes him off, or doesn’t even give him a hearing.
Linder’s fanaticism means ... exactly what? It means giving up your religion, your university, your community, your team, sports, having a good time, your country, your philosophical beliefs, your conscience, your reason, etc., etc. Does anyone want to accept Linder’s principles? Nope ... no one wants to hang out with a bunch of disagreeable clowns on an unhinged website, because that is the only demographic that responds to such a bizarre message.
So what you are saying is that the choice is between ... hanging out on the VNN Forum, or going to an Auburn or Alabama football game? They play football in Mizzou and Iowa too. Guess what? Whether it be in Alabama or Iowa or Mizzou, EVERYONE chooses “watchin’ the game” over WN as interpreted by the divine Der Linder, Furher of Kirksville.
Who is that? It looks to me like someone having a good time at a football game. Just imagine it ... there are White people who don’t enjoy being surrounded by disagreeable ideologues all the time. 503
Posted by Wandrin on September 17, 2011, 08:19 PM | # We don’t live under liberalism. We live under left-liberalism aka cultural marxism, which is a Jewish distortion of liberalism designed to bring about the genocide of the white population of the planet. Now there may be things wrong with liberalism *as well* but it’s not the crux of the current problem. 504
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 08:23 PM | #
He looks and sounds like a Neo-Nazi from Missouri who came to Knoxville to exploit a tragedy and to promote himself. Last year, Randolph Dilloway (the Hasta Primus of Creativity) and the NSM came back to Knoxville in stormtrooper uniforms and with swastika flags. The Satanist Cliff Herrington was there of Joy of Satan Ministries. Linder’s exploitation of the Christian/Newsom murders in Knoxville succeeded in making it more difficult to talk about ... because Linder used the incident to start a debate about the Jewish Question and Neo-Nazism and thereby succeeded in introducing a whole morass of unrelated issues into a straight up black-on-white crime issue. Fortunately, both the Wichita Massacre and the Christian/Newsom murders have suddenly surfaced among “mainstream commentators” in the conservative blogosphere. Now that responsible people are addressing the issue instead of just the Neo-Nazi freakshow, it is actually starting to gain some traction. 505
Posted by A. Linder on September 17, 2011, 08:27 PM | #
If jews wreck our white nations to advance their jewish agenda and our genocide, and professional right-wingers don’t call them on it by name and race, yes, I indict them. You can smearachterize that any way you want, but your own motive is transparent.
Hand to mouth should be hyphenated, Fred. Please try to do better, you’re making the Maple Leaf turn redder.
Yeah…this has got to be trolling. You’re not a dumb enough guy to ask such a dumb question. I’ll indulge you once. The polarization strategy is not something an indivdual can do, or a state or local thing, it’s a strategy for a national group operating at the national level. Because, as you know, as a lawyer, that’s where the meaningful political decisions are made. The point of the strategy is to set up a credible oppositional power to the ruling jews. Right now, the oppositional power is a fake opposition, actually controlled by the ruling jews, after Lenin’s advice (create and lead the opposition yourself). What WN has ALWAYS done up until now is work with the conservatives like we’re all part of the same team. All this does is make conservatives rich. The White cause continues to go backward. So the answer is that the polarization strategy has not been tested in North America. It can’t be until there is a party, or some kind of vehicle, that is both national in scope and willing to adopt it. The unbroken record of failure that is mixing racialism with conservatism suggests to anyone who can think that just maybe we ought to go the other way for once. Trying to nudge the Republicans into doing the White thing is sad effeminancy unworthy of intelligent men. Fuck them. Start something new and better and take their pie from them and eat it. But you can’t do that when all you offer is a poorer, less respectable version of what they’re doing because you look like pathetic me-tooers - which they do the A3P. You need to go wholly the opposite direction. Come up with swagger, the looks, the bearing, the symbols, the agenda platform - purely White and jealous as all hell. Willing and soon able to vanquish all pretenders. That’s how you do it. It’s not a thing that can be done online, nor is it a thing that can be done alone. It takes a group. As for how I feel about money or my achievements, that’s not your business. I’ve always loved what the late Hunter Thompson said: “You buy the ticket, you take the ride.” Only little girlie men flip-flop and whine and moan, but…here we move into your area so I’ll shut up. 506
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 08:42 PM | #
If you are going to exalt yourself in the eyes of the public, please tell us when we can travel to Kirksville to witness your implementation of the polarization strategy. Haven’t you already succeeded in separating yourself from the professional conservatives? Look, you have declared yourself to be an acolyte of Adolf Hitler, and you have made it clear that you reject both conservatism and Christ-Insanity. I’m quite sure everyone in Kirksville has heard of the divine and exalted Alex by now.
It drowned a long time ago among the lunatics who have congregated on VNN Forum. 507
Posted by FB on September 17, 2011, 08:56 PM | # Hunter, the divine Linder had said that for mysterious reasons solely known to him the polarization strategy can only work at the federal level. Please, no more questions for the divine Linder and my fingers are getting tired from typing on a smart phone. However, the polarization strategy has worked. Linder has successfully polarized and ended up completely isolated from all pro-White advocates in the US who don’t see the wisdom in Hitler-worship and calls for lynchings and genocide. Girls. Linder is too modest. 508
Posted by anon11111 on September 17, 2011, 09:03 PM | #
People might want to be careful about what email and password they use to sign up with, eh? 509
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 09:09 PM | #
Der Linder has also “smearachterized” everyone from Greg to The Parrott to Richard Spencer to Kevin MacDonald to James Edwards to Sam Dickson ... all of whom have “named the Jew” so many damn times I have lost count.
Der Linder is insanely jealous of “Canny Sammy” and Pat Buchanan and Jared Taylor.
It’s a dumb question ... only in the clown wing of WN do you hear shit like this. The polarization strategy has never succeeded when it has been tried out in reality. Der Linder himself is afraid to demonstrate the polarization strategy in Kirksville.
This doesn’t make any sense. If the polarization strategy worked anywhere, it would work in Kirksville and Missouri 9 where Der Linder is known to people, who could fall back on his personal bonds and ethnic ties and local connections to make a case to his own neighbors. VNN Forum.com has a national and worldwide audience. The polarization strategy doesn’t work anywhere because it is a fundamentally flawed idea. Even Greg and The Parrott can see this.
Does anyone here think VNNForum.com is a credible oppositional power to the ruling jews? Der Linder isn’t even a credible threat to the Jews of Kirksville!
You have also been saying that for ten years now ... until now, WN has never separated itself from conservatism. But weren’t you saying that shit a decade ago?
Laughs. If only there was a “national party” where Der Linder was the undisputed dictator of the WN movement, then everyone in Kirksville would be able to see the truth about Christ-Insanity and Amerikwa and conservatism.
Here’s my polarization strategy: by pushing wedge issues like Arizona-style immigration laws, we forced Barack Hussein Obama and Eric “My People” Holder to sue Alabama and Arizona along with the ACLU and SPLC. In doing so, we actually succeeded in polarizing White people and pushing them further to the right, whereas Der Linder is nothing more than a Neo-Nazi loudmouth who talks about these things, and who doesn’t have the slightest clue about how our political system operates in the real world.
Der Linder is going to vanquish all pretenders ... just as soon as he can come up with the right symbol to vanquish America, Christianity, and conservatism.
The real Hitler was a flexible man, a pragmatist, a political realist - he was nothing like Der Linder of Kirksville, whose pew hard certainty about the polarization strategy reveals in a flash that the Neo-Nazism of the clown movement has more in common with the American counterculture of the 1960s and the French avant-garde than genuine German National Socialism. 510
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 09:24 PM | #
That’s the funniest VNNism since Traitor Glenn Miller’s 2010 Senate campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGJut2shBdk Rounder was on FOX News, on the Howard Stern Show, on radio all over Missouri. He got plenty of publicity for his Senate campaign. How many votes did he get in the actual election? 511
Posted by Silver on September 17, 2011, 10:18 PM | # Alex,
It’s been said that “making love” is what a chick does while a guy fucks her. I’ve said that “celebrating diversity” is what whites do while other races fuck them over. I think we can add to this is that “LEADING” is what Alex Linder does while everyone else IGNORES him. Here’s a hint for you, Alex: if they’re distancing themselves from you, you’re not leading them; you’re polarizing them against you.
Oh, I “get it,” all right. This I have gotten from the get-go. You’re a hardcore race man through and through. It’s why I don’t trust you at all to deal fairly/honorably with people who are not your enemies. I have ten times the fear of a stab in the back from you people than you do from me. Wave your magic wand, Alex: what does America and world now look like? I know what it looks like when I wave mine: you get yours and I get mine and we all live happily ever after.
No, it most certainly isn’t. The “enemy” most certainly includes vast segments of “kind of in kind of out.” In fact, I can’t see how the “enemy” stands a chance without the support of liberal opposition/obstructionism/obscurantism. The obstructionists and obscurantists aren’t anti-white by nature. They’re functionally anti-white out of perceived necessity; they’re not evil, they’re just wrong. This is another segment, a vast segment, of the population you’re needlessly polarizing against you, and also polarizing against racial conservatives, hurting racial conservatives without helping yourself.
Except, again, for the fact that virtually every German already cared about the future of his race/nation, in stark contradistinction to what obtains today.
Sure, if you ignore the racial conservative whites who won themselves entire continents by virtue of their racial conservative disposition. 512
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 17, 2011, 10:19 PM | #
In 2000, I was an undergraduate who lived across the street from the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, which is the think tank behind the whole Lew Rockwell complex that was Der Linder’s inspiration way up there in Northern Missouri.
Hmm. If racialism is “unintellectual,” then maybe it something that people absorb through their own culture like osmosis, or maybe it is a conclusion they reach through their own interaction with Hispanics and African-Americans - in either case, that is how I became a “racialist” in Alabama, where the majority of White people are still “racialists” in the year 2011. Now that I think about it, “anti-racism” is very intellectual: it is something that goes heavily against the grain of the common experience, which is refuted on a daily basis by reality, a discourse which exists in constant tension with its environment, and which thrives by manipulating the status system and imposing economic costs on its heretics. It was Thomas Jefferson who pioneered this shit that we call “racialism” in America ... so-called “scientific racism” thrived in the American South for centuries. Most racialist commentators like Jared Taylor and Sam Francis are Southerners. There is probably a good reason for that.
If Der Linder is superior to the pious semiliterate Southerners, then surely he would be able to demonstrate this through a real world implementation of the polarization strategy in Kirksville, which is a Midwestern city in Northern Missouri. Why should Southerners even care about this stupid clown movement anyway? The South has always been “pro-White” and “racialist” ... for centuries before anyone had ever heard of “White Nationalism.” That kind of shit goes way back around here.
That’s because a Southerner is someone whose ancestors have lived in America for centuries. My own ancestors were here in Virginia in the seventeenth centuries. We have a longer memory than Midwesterners. Southerners aren’t dumb enough to fall for this Neo-Nazi myth that the Jews are responsible for all our problems. Did the Jews come here and destroy our country? Did the the Jews set up the Freedmans’ Bureau? Did the Jews make blacks citizens? Did the Jews put blacks in charge of South Carolina and Louisiana? Did the Jews come up with all this bullshit about “Civil Rights”? Wasn’t that shit going on BEFORE the Jews arrived here en masse? Who make Illinois and Michigan and Oregon repeal their own black codes? Here’s the question that every Southerner wants to hear answered: what about the damn Yankees? Wasn’t it the fucking Yankees who passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Wasn’t it the Yankees who passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965? Wasn’t it the Yankees who passed the Immigration Act of 1965? Wasn’t it the Yankees who put Ted Kennedy in the Senate and who voted for Barack Hussein Obama? Oh wait ... that was the Jews, right? Isn’t it strange then that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed over the longest filibuster in the history of the U.S. Senate by a Northern supermajority of Democrats and Republicans?
All us dumb hicks in the South ... we just don’t get how the Jews control everything, we don’t have the intellectual sophistication of Neo-Nazis, who are so obsessed with the Jews ... that they pass over inconvenient facts ... like the fact that it was Yankees who made blacks American citizens and the fact that Pennsylvania repealed its anti-miscegenation law in the 1780s and the fact that Massachusetts repealed its anti-miscegenation law in the 1830s and the fact that New York and Vermont never, ever had anti-miscegenation laws and the fact that Yankees wanted Barack Hussein Obama in the White House. Gosh, we are so stupid here. All the dumb hicks in Dixie, you see, we were under the impression that the North didn’t have Jim Crow laws, and that the North had been integrated (with a few exceptions like Indiana) since the aftermath of the War Between the States. The divine Linder has told us that Jews are responsible for the popularity of liberalism in Vermont and Massachusetts and New York ... where John Brown came from in the 1850s ... and where they passed the “personal liberty laws” to let blacks take up residence, and where the Wide Awakes paraded around in Wisconsin to liberate the poor suffering negro.
Are you kidding? The clown movement doesn’t have physical fighters or serious thinkers - because if you seriously thought about it, you would realize that Dixie has always been pro-White, and has always been racial, and has always opposed shit like the Immigration Act of 1965 and the DREAM Act, and doesn’t need the clown movement and its heroes. Insofar as Dixie has a racial problem, it is 100 percent because Dixie is part of the USA. If it was up to Southerners to deal with the racial problem alone here, without having to duel with the nuts on the West Coast or the Midwest or New England, the problem would be solved in less than two years. Why would anyone in Dixie want to listen to the great advice of the divine Linder who is a laughingstock in his own hometown? No real Southerner would ever take someone like that seriously? He doesn’t come highly recommended by the people who know him best.
The problem with the North is that ... the North is “America.” Yes, that’s right: “America” or “Yankeeland” or whatever you want to call it, but the North is the place that has been wrestling with this problem ever since the American Revolution, and it was the Northern states that imposed their ideas about race on Dixie in the 1960s, having overcome almost insurmountable legislative hurdles in Congress to do so. Racial stupidity HAS ALWAYS thrived in the North. Don’t believe me? Thomas Jefferson was having these same debates over the equality of the negro with Samuel Stanhope Smith and Benjamin Franklin ... in the 1790s. This tradition of race insanity goes back to the Quakers and the Unitarians who thrived in the North. Boston and Philadelphia were the twin “intellectual” capitols of this nonsense. The presence of the Jews in America, especially in the Northern states, has only succeeded in magnifying a preexisting problem.
Billy Bob in Buttplug, Alabama is smart enough to know that the reason every single public institution in the South is integrated, and the reason blacks are voting here now, and the reason blacks control entire counties and cities in the South, and the reason blacks are worshiped as noble savages, and the reason that Birmingham and Memphis and New Orleans were destroyed over the will of their own citizens ... it is because of the Yankee Question in America. 513
Posted by FB on September 17, 2011, 11:01 PM | # Do you think Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, Richard Spencer care that the Kirksville Fuhrer is polarizing against them on VNN forum? It’s almost like a Buddhist koan: when I tree falls in the forest but there’s nobody to see it, did it really fall? 514
Posted by Gudmund on September 17, 2011, 11:13 PM | # Linder might have some things to say but his arrogance doesn’t permit him to reevaluate his approach. He has too much invested in the JQ, regardless of how important it is (to my knowledge no one doubts Jewish influence in America but the proposition that it could possibly be budged in our situation is not very realistic). He needs to take his own advice about matters of intellectual discipline and become more knowledgeable about a number of topics, broaden his focus beyond the Jews. I say this because I watched him and his entire forum get drubbed by a single Amerindian commie in debate after debate this past year. This owed to the fact that this particular fellow, Agnapostate/NM Valdez, had a broader knowledge base and was more intellectually disciplined. To be politically effective, one must first project confidence, and if an anarchist RevLeft poster is stomping you regularly, it isn’t going to come across right. I think working subtly against the state and community building a la Bowery and GT will be far more effective strategies than his “bringing the realtalk” strategy anyway. It has an added PR benefit over time in that the state’s attempts to infringe upon community building/self-reliance and determination/etc makes them look unsympathetic to the general populace, thus making them more receptive to a traditionalist message, etc. The thing is, it won’t bring immediate results and I think that’s the piece so many have trouble with. They want to see real change in their lifetime. Well, that’s not likely, so do the next best thing and work toward it a little at a time. 515
Posted by Lew on September 17, 2011, 11:34 PM | # Alex Linder:
Another approach that has never been tried is creating a vehicle that combines what you call “implicit” race conservatism and explicit confrontation with Jewry presented in the manner and style of Dr. KMD. The CMS, NPI, AP3, alt-right continuum are pitch perfect for attracting disaffected people (IMO) away from the American mainstream and toward racial nationalism; however, these entities appear to be tangled up with Jews at the highest levels, they don’t exclude Jews, and they tolerate open philo-Semites like Jared Taylor (just stating the facts, not attacking Jared Taylor). It’s frustrating. If I could have a one-on-one conversation with Dr. KMD, Yggdrasil/John Gardner or Richard Spencer, I would simply ask “what are you thinking? Is your memory really that short”? The part of VNN that I like most is your front-and-center gateway page that says “Hate what America’s become? Don’t get angry at the symptoms. Identify the disease. Welcome to Jews 101..” For all the great work done by the parties at CMS, NPI, AP3, and alt-right (IMO I know you disagree), their materials don’t teach the newcomers that Jewish influence is a serious problem for White people. Jared Taylor has never bothered me because apart from his position on the JQ he does excellent work and is openly pro-Jew. He never been anything but pro-Jew, from the beginning. He has never hidden his philo-semitism, and has always told everyone everyone who disagrees with him on the JQ, in effect, to drop dead. It does not seem possible to be any more intellectually consistent than that. To me, Jared Taylor is a great and brilliant man who nonetheless is wrong on the JQ. On the other side of the spectrum, William Pierce was also consistent and brilliant. Pierce, however, went the other way and excluded Jews without exception and without apology. Over and out. So there is / was nothing philosophically muddled about Taylor and Pierce. The problem arises with this “the mass in the middle,” this mass of nationalist intellectuals, writers, activists and organizations with perspectives that fall somewhere between Taylor and Pierce (strict philo-semitism versus strict exclusion without exception). Within this mass, there are Whites who are right on the JQ co-existing next to Whites who publicly deemphasize the JQ, possibly due to tactics but maybe because they’re too timid to address it, along with the real danger, actual Jews. It’s worrisome because Jews are the great masters of subversion—and the every intellectual over there who is right on the JQ knows it. 516
Posted by FB on September 17, 2011, 11:47 PM | # The Weimar Germans just came out of a nationalistic world, were proud to be German and had a 1000-year-old history. Americans have to deal with 60 years of mass egalitarian/multicult indoctrination. The first task is to build up race consciousness among Whites. The contexts of America today and the Weimar Germany couldn’t be different; it’s moronic to treat Mein Kampf like some sort of roadmap to American problems. 517
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 12:01 AM | #
Without tv it’s a losing battle, given demographics. We’re doing what we can on the ‘net, but it’s not enough and can never be. The need is to get power, then you can take care of the rest in short order. It’s like if someone is pouring water on you, you’re advising people to dry off instead of taking the hose away from the guy.
If they couldn’t be more different then Hitler’s and Goebbels’ advice wouldn’t fit, but anyone reading what they say can see parallel after parallel. Yeah you can try to make the usual dolt’s strawman, but it’s not there. There is nothing in American history to look to for an example of defeating jews except the lynch mob that brought justice to pedophile jew Leo Frank. And of course that’s where the conservatives start sweating. There was probably cursing in those justice mobs! It was all so unseemly. But in the end, the cursing, sweating mob reduced kike Frank, despoiler of innocent white womanhood, to an expired swatch of vermin. And all the jews horses and all the jew’s press, couldn’t put ol’ Leo back to perspiring again. And that press even then, around 1912-15 was huge and powerful. Nope, sorry Fred. It’s a power struggle, plain and simple. There’s got to be a team. It’s got to be White. It’s got to focus on the jew. Otherwise, nothing. 518
Posted by Lew on September 18, 2011, 12:05 AM | # Alex Linder:
Hey, Deep Southerner here. I resemble that remark about dull Southerners. Keep in mind David Duke is a Southerner. I happened to see the Duke campaign up close and worked for Duke as a low-level volunteer. White people in Louisiana turned out in droves for Duke. In the early 1990s Jews did indeed unleash all of their power on Duke short of assassination, which might have been their next move had he won. But it was local business interests backed by the organized Louisiana Bar and the Chamber of Commerce that were decisive in defeating Duke, not Jews and their media. A lot of Whites who didn’t give a shit about the media were told by their White bosses that if they voted for Duke, they would lose their jobs. In the end, it scared off enough people to make the difference. Duke later called that tactic economic blackmail. 519
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 12:06 AM | # It’s extremely simple, and it’s extremely difficult. 520
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 12:22 AM | #
I generalize and overstate. Verbal caricature is a very good way to see what’s right or wrong about a proposition. It makes you really think whether the statement is basically accurate and fair or basically inaccurate and unfair. I’m no footnoter. I’ll never go back and issue disclaimers - you know how to read it, you’re smart. You can read the motive. I don’t care about anybody’s feelings, including my own. We’re too womanly on that stuff. Politics aint beanbag. We obviously aren’t getting the job done, let’s shake things up until we figure out why that’s so and how we change it.
Good, and yes I agree. Notice I don’t unload on Duke, and that is because he meets my litmus test: openly pro-White, openly anti-jew. He has truly shown the limits of the controlled electoral process, so he deserves respect.
Yeah, of course. So who do you blame? The jews leveraging ‘unfair’ economic pressure, or the white self-interested businessmen who yield to it? This is how our race is hamstrung. We get chopped up because we have no racial loyalty. Until we change that, we’ll continue to be defeated and eaten politically. It is not an easy matter to change it, but it begins with men with guns publicly advocating White sovereignty. 521
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 12:30 AM | #
It’s simple. Imagine there’s a bell curve for human agreeability. On one side are people more like me. The other side are people more like them. You see? Their politics follows their personal tastes. Even where they know intellectually it’s a bad idea. That’s how agreeable people are built. More disagreeable people have an easier time with it. You, we, MUST have principles to get anywhere. And the very first principle, in any pro-White organization, must be VNN’s slogan: NO JEWS. JUST RIGHT. They must be completely excluded. That I have to state this boggles the mind. That I have to tell MacDonald this blows the mind. 522
Posted by FB on September 18, 2011, 12:38 AM | # “Rounder was on FOX News, on the Howard Stern Show, on radio all over Missouri. He got plenty of publicity for his Senate campaign. How many votes did he get in the actual election?” If Rounder isn’t in the Senate today it’s because he didn’t polarize enough against conservatives, Christians, and normal White people generally. He also didn’t call for the mass murder of Jews often enough. I can’t come to a different conclusion, can you? 523
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 12:46 AM | # Excellent discussion from everybody here. At the risk of seeming a fence-sitter, Linder, Hunter, Silver, Lister (reminds me of Snow White and the Seven - no offense, people), and others, are all offering hard truths that need to be seriously considered (except I don’t agree with those now dumping on GW; if he runs MR with a light editorial hand, that is his prerogative, and we should therefore take comments presenting real-world truth claims with the proverbial grain of salt, and otherwise be grateful for his efforts on our collective behalf). The essence of the dispute as I see it comes down to this: Linder is correct that we need to be relentless, passionate and hard-hitting in our propaganda, as well as physical activist efforts, and that regular conservatism is overly concerned with respectability (even I, with all my early alienation of professors, and later many internet site-banishments, may be guilty here), and certainly is near-useless for dealing with racial issues, which, after all, are both the foundation of real conservatism (not Christianity, Alex: for the Christian his politics must be ethically acceptable to his religious tenets, but the faith is compatible with a wide range of ideologies, from social democracy to libertarianism, and from diversitarianism to racial separatism - though not with your Nazism, I’m afraid), as well as the most salient facing the West today. But Linder is completely incorrect regarding the current possible and likely future reach of his ideology (so much so that it is not inconceivable that he is either a kind of disinformation plant, used to ‘pollute’ serious discussions of white decline, and give such discussants a bad reputation through guilt-by-association, or, if genuinely Nazi, as I’m inclined to believe, the (perhaps even unknowing) recipient of SPLC or Soros money, as they surely recognize, as HW has pointed out, the enormous Left-Jewish fundraising appeal of a real-life Nazi like Linder; certainly, we may say, in the manner of Voltaire, that if Linder did not exist, the ADL would be wise to invent him). Nazism is never going anywhere with any white majority. That is an empirical prediction, and events may prove me wrong. But the burden of proof is on those who think otherwise. Indeed, even if Nazism has a future, it likely won’t be as Nazism - with the symbols, history, tactics, etc. It will ‘confront the Jew’ in some totally different manner, and under wholly different guise. Perhaps, as living standards fall, some neo-Inquisitional Christianity will sweep the white world, and determine that non-Christians cannot hold elective office, teach, own media, sit on corporate boards, or even profess or practice their religions in public. Many Jews might leave for Israel under those conditions, and anyway, their power and influence would be substantially neutered. I’m not predicting this turn of events, merely observing that such would accord with the fundamentally virtue-oriented white psyche far better than any recrudescent and now totally discredited Nazism. Linder’s understanding of how the Nazis rose to power is almost comically false (as others have observed). Read some of the mainstream works: Kershaw’s two volume biography of Hitler, Evans’s trilogy (esp volume 1), Burleigh, The Third Reich, etc. One widely shared conclusion is that the Nazis came to power not simply or even primarily as a function of the sheer charismatic quality of Hitler’s rhetoric, but of all the unique and mostly unrepeatable circumstances of that particular time: the German experience of WW1 and the ensuing “stab in the back”; the large numbers of unemployed men with recent military experience; the psychological dislocation caused by the Kaiser’s abdication; the reparations burden combined with global economic collapse; the inherent lack of political legitimacy accorded to the Weimar Republic; stories from Russian empire emigres about the horrors of the Judeo-Bolsheviks (further confirmed in the public mind by the insurgent, heavily Jewish-revolutionary Bavarian raterepublik (‘Red Republic’), formed in the immediate aftermath of WW1); the growing racialism, and increasing biological anti-Semitism, of the late 19th-20th centuries in Germany, especially (though the growth of eugenicist activism and legislation was global in the West at that time); the early establishment - especially military - backing for Hitler’s propaganda forays; the genuine and rational fear on the part of the affluent that a communist revolution was imminent - and the negative factors that Germany had not been saturated with PC/multiculti crap for the previous half-century, and that Jewry was not nearly as powerful or organized as today. Despite all that, let us not forget, Hitler never won a true democratic majority. He became chancellor only due to the machinations of von Papen and Hindenburg. I can’t say conditions will never be such as to allow the possibility of a Linder-style victory. But commonsense in light of current and foreseeable conditions suggests that in the meantime other approaches to saving the white race are likelier to succeed. 524
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 01:03 AM | #
You know why Rounder lives in Missouri? Answer: the feds won’t allow him to live in the South. They’re afraid he’ll start a revolution. Yeah. He’s the one who put 500 armed, jew-savvy Southerners in the street carrying flags and marching in line. You’re the ones who run your tadpole mouths on the internet under fake names. He’s the one who’s men shot FBI-sicced commies dead in Greensboro. You’re the ones who piss your underpants green cheering the niggers at the Alabammy-Mississoupi foosball game. Just keepin’ it real for you, dogs. You guys are some fruit flies next to Rounder. You’re not fit to lick the taint of a tick on the ass of one of his English bulldogs, sez this Judge Judy. 525
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 01:57 AM | # In light of all this interminable strategic talk, here’s a nasty little stinkbomb to consider: Perhaps the approach that will ultimately be proven correct in the real world is simply the one that an enterprising soul gets off his ass to try. He who is first serious about actually organizing whites in the real world will be the one with the most influence. On that score, my money is on neither Nazis, nor paleos, nor Southerners, nor bikers, nor Christians. I’d put my money on the Mormons. They’re growing, both due to family-centeredness as well as proselytizing; they’re organized across the whole range of life; they have a geographic base to launch from and return to. 526
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 01:59 AM | #
Check out Daniel Nettle’s work on personality from a fitness-relative perspective. 527
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 02:00 AM | #
Quite right. That’s why we’re calling it the Perpetual Orgasms and Free Donuts Party. The POFDP will crush all before like a jelly-filled juggernaut. 528
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 02:07 AM | # In light of all this interminable strategic talk, here’s a nasty little stinkbomb to consider: What about those REAL bombs I enumerated above? what happens to your enterprising soul and his organized whites when they’re hit with an LED Incapacitator and dispersed with tear gas, like organized protests in Chile and Germany? Poof! Another WN fantasy up in Phenacyl bromide lozlolzlolzololzlolzlzolzolzozlzolzlzlz 529
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 02:31 AM | #
There’s something to that. I’ve lived in SLC, and it’s the only thing I’ve seen that was a real-world example of what I’d imagine life in a White society would be like. Other groups growing hugely are Amish and Mennonnites, they are all over the place in Missouri. A guy told me the other day the averge woman has 8-9, and some of them have 18. Personally, I think they’re kind of weedy, they definitely could use some new genes, cuz they don’t just dress the same, they look the same, too much. Then again, I don’t respect their not using technology, nor their unwillingness to fight. 530
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 02:33 AM | #
When is this thing’s reign of terror coming to an end? 531
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 02:39 AM | #
May be true, but without reading the research, I get a strong frankfurter smell coming off it. People who are skeptical? Suspicious? You mean unsheeplike? Unwilling to be team players? politically correct? Go along to get along? Go with the flow of hos? You know how much ‘public school’ these days is forcing kids to be part of a team, and graded as one? So the smart do the work for the dumb, in these little mini-marxist platoons? This study would support that kind of garbage. If you’re suspicious, skeptical, individualist—you’re less easily deceived, harder to rook, less likely to give up freedoms, more likely to spot hidden motives. Just sayin’ 532
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 02:53 AM | #
Exactly. Der Linder treats Mein Kampf like it is Holy Writ or something ... when even the Fuhrer himself considered it just a book and was constantly adapting to the political and economic situation in Germany. Linder has the mindset of a Midwestern fundamentalist though. Where did “National Socialism” come from anyway? In the 1920s, Germany had a strong tradition of “nationalism” on the right and “socialism” on the left, and Hitler was doing nothing more than pragmatically building a political party out of the preexisting elements in German society that was at his disposal. Far from attacking the German conservatives, as Der Linder would have us do, Hitler rose to power in Germany by forming an alliance with them, by positioning himself as the enemy of communism, and by purging his party of the Roehm fags and the Strasserites to make it more acceptable to his new allies. Hitler sought legitimacy from the German establishment. He skillfully wove himself into the narrative of Germany. Unlike Der Linder, Hitler was brilliant. He wasn’t obsessed with the Jewish Question or Christianity. His own actions show how flexible he was. Adolf Hitler was the exact opposite of Der Linder: he downplayed the Jewish Question, he spent most of his time exploiting grievances that resonated with the German people like the economy and the Versailles Treaty, he kept himself aloof from the religious question within the party, he sneered at Himmler and so forth. What about America? What was Hitler’s attitude toward people like Der Linder? Hitler himself considered the German American Bund to be a thorn in his side. He said that National Socialism couldn’t be exported to other countries, especially to the United States, which was an English-speaking country with a very different culture. The Fuhrer thought that the German agitators in America should move back to the Fatherland. He couldn’t understand why true National Socialists in America would stay there when they could be resettled in the Reich. 533
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 02:56 AM | # Resolved: to overcome the innate prickliness of the natural born White right, we should all try to be 10% more Jim-Carey-in-“Pet Detective”-ish. Who’s with me? 534
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 03:15 AM | #
Years ago, I remember reading Rounder’s infamous “Declaration of War” which he sent to the newspapers and to the federal government. I found a copy of it in the “terrorism database” or something like that. I found it through a Google search for “Frazier Glenn Miller.” It contained hilarious zingers like “I will die with a sword in my hand” and “bury me giving the Nazi salute.” I almost had a heart attack laughing. Rounder surrendered without firing a shot. It was the shortest revolution in American history. He declared himself the president of the Confederate States of America in that document. There was another document in there of a letter he had written to the judge where he boasted about telling the cops “everything I knew” including “things I was never asked.” I wonder if that website is still online.
Rounder took all that money from The Order. Then he sold them out as a state witness for the government at the Fort Smith Trial. Everyone who has been around this scene for years knows that story. That is why Nartin Lindstedt calls him “Traitor Glenn Miller.” 535
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 03:41 AM | #
Rounder was on the Howard Stern Show, FOX News, and Missouri radio. This is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGJut2shBdk ^^ He tries out the polarization strategy here. This is Linder’s strategy in action before a local, state, and a national audience. “Your own women and children ought to spit on you everyday.” Howard Stern thought it was so damn funny that he brought Rounder onto his show as a guest as a representative of the clown movement. After all that publicity of the polarization strategy in Mizzou, how did Rounder 2010 do at the ballot box? Try not to laugh: http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/extremist_candidates_2010.htm
I guess Der Linder voted for him. He found one follower. http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/e7/7l/l3/borat.jpg Great success! 536
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 03:53 AM | #
Not so. They’re monolevel. They will only attract a sliver of the bourgeoisie because that’s the only level their materials serve. That’s the level served by the Republicans and the John Birch Society and the paleocons. There’s some money in it, nothing else. As I’ve pointed out, conservatism, functionally, has nothing to do with politics; that’s just the field in which it is deployed to raise money. Conservatism is a fundraising strategy.
Correct. They’re unprincipled, or they have the wrong principles. They will reap the predictable result. 537
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 03:58 AM | #
If I didn’t know any better, I would say that “Alex Linder” is a cartoon character like Borat that someone in cyberspace uses to satire the White Nationalist movement. Declare war on Christianity. Declare war on conservatism. Write off everyone involved with the Republican Party. Declare war on everyone who rejects the gospel of exterminationism. Spend all your time attacking other people who are racially conscious. Attack anyone who is talented and who could be useful to White Nationalism. Reinforce negative stereotypes. Make empty threats against the Jews. Preach the virtue of ideological fanaticism. Surround yourself with fools and clowns. Endorse conspiracy theories. Claim you can learn nothing from experience. Say the only reason people don’t take you seriously is because you are not on television. Der Linder has a destructive, ideological mindset. Hitler had a constructive, pragmatic mindset. 538
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 04:16 AM | #
I’m not going to make a big thing of this, Silver, but I don’t believe you’re who you say you are. I don’t believe your tale about your own background. Your point above is the same fallacy we hear from the christ lunatics claiming their cult is pro white because whites lived along in harmony for centuries under christian dominion. If those whites conquered the continent for racial reasons, then, those racial principles would have preserved the conquest. Instead, those racists forgot everything Silver lies they knew, and quickly lost the continent back to jew-led savages. So clearly the original Americans were not racialists in any other than a direct, immediate sense - ie, fight off the scalping indians next door. There was never enough thinking put into race in any section of the country, and that, combined with christian lunatical universalism, and the later influx of anti-white communist jews, sealed the deal for anti-Whiteism. And now we get the desperate claim that, oh, don’t worry, the Republican party and normal voting and Pat Buchanan, and the whole normal regular lineup of trusties is going to save us. Why hasn’t it then? Where has it been for fifty years? Why has anything changed now? Rounder, so feared by the feds he is literally forbidden from living in the South, is to be mocked, but Pat Buchanan who has presided over 50 years of dramatic decline while gorgeously pressing a scented handkerchief to his womanly throat is to be respected? On what basis? Conservatism can’t get the job done. That’s what history shows. There is no second opinion. The internet has shown up the Patsy Declines for what they are. A lounge act for tired race. No future in Republicans. No future in conservatism. Make this your mantra: If it’s christian, conservative or Southern, it’s a non-starter. That’s the truth. 539
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 04:19 AM | # Re: Lew
Exactly. After David Duke presented himself as a Louisianan, not as a White Nationalist ideologue, he was able to connect with his own natural base in Louisiana. The same people who voted for David Duke had previously voted for George Wallace when he carried Louisiana in 1968.
Yes. Duke was onto something: he was talking about issues that connected with ordinary people in Louisiana. He was coming across as a White man in Louisiana. Even then, White people were sick and tired of seeing establishment Republicans performing fellatio on blacks, while denouncing White people as hideous, evil racists.
George H.W. Bush himself campaigned against the horrible David Duke. Didn’t Duke win the Republican primary for governor?
Now you are really onto something: if you did deeper into the fall of Jim Crow in the South than you get out of the WN narrative, you will quickly find out that in cities like Birmingham and Montgomery it was the business establishment that threw in the towel. Reality is way more complex than the simplistic WN narrative of “Jews done it.” I mean ... just look at the immigration debate in the U.S., where the business establishment defeated immigration reform in Florida, Texas, Arizona, Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Utah this year. They also put up ferocious resistance in Georgia. In the GOP, the business establishment controls the party. The Jews are concentrated in the Democratic Party. Insofar as the “neocons” are involved with the Republican Party, they are in more of a “court Jew” role as scribes who work for important constituencies.
You’re really onto something here, Lew. In the 1970s, these very same business leaders sold out White people in Birmingham by striking a deal with blacks. They formed an alliance with them. If you dig deep into the state and local history of racialism in the United States, you will find out that is also what happened in Atlanta, the “City Too Busy To Hate.” Der Linder doesn’t know 2 percent of the story: he just thoughtlessly overemphasizes one aspect of our decline for purely ideological reasons to the exclusion of every other aspect of our decline. 540
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 04:38 AM | #
Here’s the truth: it is time to discuss the Yankee Question. Do you remember Selma? The climatic battle of the Civil Rights Movement? It was Selma that gave America the Voting Rights Act of 1965. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SQtTK4nnWI Isn’t it strange that this Alabama city that was at the epicenter of the “Civil Rights Movement” somehow didn’t see the Jews who were behind it all? Now why do you suppose that was? If the Jews enthroned blacks in America, how did the people most affected by it miss this? Could it be because the Jews in Selma actually weren’t agitating to tear down Jim Crow? In fact, not only were the Jews in Selma completely on board with segregation, many of whom had been mayors of Selma, it was their businesses in downtown Selma that were ruined by Martin Luther King and all these hordes of outsiders that descended upon Selma in the early 1960s. Those of us who actually live here know the real story. Where should we start? (1) Who was Viola Liuzzo? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_Liuzzo “Viola Fauver Gregg Liuzzo (April 11, 1925 – March 25, 1965) was a Unitarian Universalist, civil rights activist from Michigan and mother of five, who was murdered by Ku Klux Klan members after the 1965 Selma to Montgomery marches in Alabama.” (2) Who was James Reeb? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Reeb “James Reeb (January 1, 1927 — March 11, 1965) was a white American Unitarian Universalist minister from Boston, Massachusetts and pastor and civil rights activist in Washington, DC. While marching for civil rights in Selma, Alabama in 1965, he was beaten severely by segregationists and died of head injuries two days later in the hospital. He was 38 years old.” (3) Who was Jonathan Daniels? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_daniels “Jonathan Myrick Daniels (March 20, 1939 – August 20, 1965) was an Episcopal seminarian, killed for his work in the American civil rights movement. His death helped galvanize support for the civil rights movement within the Episcopal church. He is regarded as a martyr in the Episcopal church.[1][2] One of the five elementary schools in his hometown of Keene, New Hampshire is named in memory of him.” (4) Who was James Zwerg? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Zwerg “James Zwerg (born 1939) is an American former minister who became famous for his involvement with the freedom riders in the early 1960s. “James Zwerg was born November 28, 1939 in Appleton, Wisconsin. He lived in an all-white community with his mother, father, and older brother Charles. He was very involved in school and took part in the student post in high school. Zwerg was also very active in the Christian church, in which he attended services regularly. Through the church, his parents taught him many morals and beliefs, one of which regarded civil equality. He was taught that all men are created equal, no matter what color they are.” 541
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 04:44 AM | # Interesting how these liars come out of the woodwork to exculpate jews. MacDonald says that jews ALONE were responsible for the 1965 immigration act. Before that change, America was 90% white. After that, it’s been open borders, and anyone has but to look around to see what the obvious intent behind the act was. Corporations had nothing to do with opening the borders, and these woodwork liars know it. But their mission is to confuse. To make complex what real political thinkers like Hitler knew must be made simple enough that the lowest person in the crowd could understand. Politics is not about intellectuals, it’s about basic propaganda as a means to a group-desirable end. It is all-important that average white men be taught that jews are responsible for every major social problem in the west. Of course that is a simplification. But it is essentially true and politically the sine qua non of any kind of substantial racial regenerative effort. Where has being scared to name/fight jews led America? Where has blaming liberals and secular humanists led America? Where has pretending we didn’t see it when Israel murdered dozens of Americans on the USS Liberty led us? It is clear that the cowardice of the conservatives has taken us right off a cliff. Just look around you. All this is because the men in position to say no, the men with the brains and money and intellectual understanding to say no - said yes. And now the woodwork willies come out to tell us to trust the same old liars who’ve led us down the primrose path for the better part of 100 years. You like what you see around you today, White man? You want more of it? Then vote for Pat Buchanan, and you’ll get more of it. That’s not me saying that, it’s fifty years of proven history. The sad truth that must be faced by those who believe that left and right mean anything is that there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Abe Foxman and Pat Buchanan. And that goes for Patsy Decline’s defenders too. NOTHING GOES RIGHT UNTIL WE GO WHITE. (If it’s christian, conservative or Southern, it’s a non-starter.) 542
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 04:53 AM | # Here’s another: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Peck_(pacifist) We got ourselves a bonafide Jew here ... James Peck of New York City, who was joined by James Zwerg of Appleton, Wisconsin on the Freedom Ride, who were later joined by Daniels of New Hampshire, Liuzzo of Michigan, and Reeb of Massachusetts in Alabama (the holy trinity of “civil rights martyrs”) who came here along with the rest of the clowns from Yankeeland in those days. (5) Who was James Peck? “James Peck (December 19, 1914 – July 12, 1993[1][2]) was an American activist who practiced nonviolent resistance during World War II[3] and in the Civil Rights movement. He is the only person who participated in both the Journey of Reconciliation (1947) and the first Freedom Ride of 1961,[4] and has been called a white civil rights hero.[5] James Peck (usually called “Jim”) was born in Manhattan to Samuel Peck, a wealthy clothing wholesaler, who died when his son was eleven years old. He attended Choate Rosemary Hall, a private boarding school in Wallingford, Connecticut. Even though Peck and his family had converted from Judaism to the Episcopalian Church, Peck was still considered a social outsider at Choate.” We got one Jew here boys: http://www.uuworld.org/life/articles/2356.shtml “About 500 Unitarian Universalists, including nearly one-fifth of all Unitarian Universalist ministers, plus laypeople like Viola Liuzzo, went to Selma and Montgomery to participate in the civil rights campaign. Only one Unitarian Universalist, the Rev. Richard D. Leonard, joined the 300-person march all the way from Selma to the state capitol in Montgomery. The trek concluded Leonard’s 18 days in Alabama. The UUA’s Skinner House Books is preparing to publish the compelling journal he kept, along with other Unitarian Universalist reminiscences of Selma. Part of Leonard’s unpublished journal appears here for the first time. (See link in sidebar.) Another Unitarian Universalist, photojournalist Ivan Massar, also went to Selma. His credentials with the (ironically named) Black Star photo agency alarmed town officials, who refused to issue a press pass—so he hid his cameras in his coat. Now retired and living in Concord, Massachusetts, he shared his photographs with us, some of which have never appeared in print before. (See UU World, May/June 2001, page 25.) This spring [2001], the Unitarian Universalist Association will dedicate a new monument to the hundreds of Unitarian Universalists who took a stand for civil rights in Selma. The monument, which will be installed in Eliot Chapel at the UUA headquarters in Boston, will commemorate James Reeb and Viola Liuzzo” 543
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 04:54 AM | # The ‘50s and ‘60santi-White movement succeeded for one reason: jewish control of the media. Without that media control, the movement would have failed. Just as the South was able to bring justice to pedophile jew Leo Frank - the last hurrah of the White man before the great hush of completed jewish takeover of North America. Pointing out individual, anecdotal non jews here and there is always an attempt to draw attention away from the jewish root of the anti-White movement. Always. This jew control of the mass media is the reason that no White strategy based on mirroring the ‘civil rights’ approach of the jew-organized niggers can succeed. The media will never treat the White cause as just. Therefore it will always look bad in the eyes of the tv-macerated majority. There is no solution but taking power, and that means, more than almost anything else, taking the mass media back from our racial enemy. 544
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 05:03 AM | # How many Unitarians at “Sixty Minutes”? How many at New York Times? Using facts to hide the truth is a time-honored jewish way of camouflaging their anti-White practices. Might as well blame Kevin MacDonald for the ‘civil rights’ movement. He was at UW in Madhouse (“Madtown,” big hippie center). He was into jazz and had jewish friends and roommates, and really admired their activism. Blame him for the ‘civil rights’ revolution. The truth remains that jews are behind ALL upheaveal movements in the West dating back at least to the French Revolution. Any attempt to hide this grounding fact betrays the anti-White impulse driving the liar. 545
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 05:06 AM | # University of Wisconsin in Madison. Big radical center, along with Michigan in Ann Arbor. Typically radical jew faculty and jew students from back east led the radicalism. Just as Churchill wrote as a journalist about communists back in 1919, jews were the driving power. Investigate whichever radical movement you like and you’ll find the same thing. Only one policy cures jews and the trouble they cause: NO JEWS. JUST RIGHT. 546
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 05:43 AM | # ”Hate what America’s become? Don’t get angry at the symptoms. Identify the disease. Welcome to Yankees 101..” Damn this is an interesting map, Der Linder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States Do you see this shit, Alex? There is some interesting stuff here. The anti-miscegenation laws of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, Texas, and Louisiana (the original CSA) and the anti-miscegenation laws of Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Virginia (full CSA) and the anti-miscegenation laws of Oklahoma, Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and West Virginia (greater Dixie) were all repealed on June 12, 1967. Now what about the rest of America? It looks like there was something called the Jim Crow West that existed until 1948 and ceased to exist between 1948 and 1967. Every Western state with the exceptions of New Mexico, Kansas, and Washington had an anti-miscegenation law that was repealed between 1948 and 1967. Now let’s consider the Midwest: Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio repealed their anti-miscegenation laws ... before 1887? Yes, look: Indiana (1965) and Maryland (1967) repealed their anti-miscegenation laws between 1948 and 1967 ... like the rest of the Western states. Why do you suppose Maryland and Indiana were so unusual in this respect? OTOH, Minnesota and Wisconsin NEVER had anti-miscegenation laws. Moving on to the Northeast ... New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Vermont, and New Hampshire never had anti-miscegenation laws. Pennsylvania repealed its anti-miscegenation law in 1780, Rhode Island in 1881, Massachusetts in 1843, and Maine in 1883. So, when we look at this construct known as the “United States of America” under the microscope of White racial attitudes (of which anti-miscegenation laws are a reliable proxy), we can see that we are really talking about three or four different places here. There is clearly a “Dixie” which had its own racial philosophy, a “Northeast” with its own racial philosophy, a “West” with its own racial philosophy, and a “Midwest” which is riven between the two (actually the Southern Midwest is an extension of the Border South). Indiana and Maryland ... why did they hold out until 1965 and 1967 respectively? Why did Kansas repeal in 1859? What did Iowa repeal in 1851? There is a very simple explanation ... ethnography. It’s because of the Southerners in Indiana and Maryland! The Southerners who aren’t as think on the ground in Germanic Minnesota and Germanic Michigan and Germanic Wisconsin and Germanic Iowa. Indiana is Illinois without Chicago. It is the only Midwestern state that is reliably Republican in the year 2011. That is a mystery right there. What is it about Indiana that is so different from its neighbors? Why does Indiana tilt toward Dixie? Why was the Klan so big in Indiana back in the day? It is because people like The Parrott crossed the Ohio River from Kentucky and Virginia - that’s why. Just like many of the people who settled the Western states similarly came from Dixie. That is why Indiana and the Western states tilt toward Dixie instead of New England and Gregland in San Francisco and Haroldworld in Seattle. The Parrott’s “Hoosier Nation” is actually a little extension of Kentucky into the region south of Indianapolis. I read on Greg’s website that The Parrot was living in a trailer on 9/11. See, he is from Kentucky and that proves it, and most of the people above Indianapolis do not share his origins. Der Linder lives in North Missouri which is an extension of Iowa into Mizzou. South Missouri is part of Dixie - the area which Der Linder recognizes as being south of I-44 in his state. I’m better that is where the vast majority of the racial Whites live in Missouri. Why do “White Nationalists” keep telling us this tall tale about the Jews? Did the Jews make Iowa repeal its anti-miscegenation law in 1851? Did the Jews make Kansas repeal its anti-miscegenation law in 1859? What about Massachusetts in 1843? “White Nationalists” keep repeating this tall tale in order to distract our attention from the Yankee Question. The fact is, the Yankees tried every bit of this shit out here in the 1860s and the 1870s after they won the War Between the States, and the Jews didn’t make them do it back then. In the 1960s, the only people who really wanted the “Civil Rights Act of 1964” and the “Voting Rights Act of 1965” were living in Yankeeland. It was their great president JFK of Massachusetts who integrated Ole Miss and the University of Alabama. “Bobby” wasn’t Jewish ... he wasn’t even really a Yankee, but hey, neither is Chris Matthews or Lawrence O’Donnell or Rachel Maddow or Ed Schultz and the most of the rest of the idiots on MSNBC who preach this sanctimonious nonsense every evening after 5 PM with Al Sharpton. 547
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 05:45 AM | # [What the Grasping Gloops Don’t Get, by Goebbels] If you people were pasta you’d be simpletoni. Now, tap tap. The maestro will play, but first…just step back and give me a water lillies here, fresh bros. Simplest way to define us to our lowest people? We’re White. Simplest way to define our enemy sos our lowest gets it? They’re jews. Yeah. This proud intellectual construction won’t win any Ph.D.s But it might save our race. And the maestro expounds: “It makes no difference if propaganda is at a high level. The question is whether it reached its goal. My first goal when I came to Berlin was to make the city aware of us. They could love us or hate us, as long as they knew who we were. We have reached that goal. We are hated and loved. When someone hears the term National Socialist, he does not ask: “What is that?” Once we have reached the first goal, we can work on turning hate to love and love to hate, but never to indifference. The battle against indifference is the hardest battle. There may be two million people in this city who hate my guts, who persecute and slander me, but I know that I can win over some of them. We know that from experience. Some of those who persecuted us and fought most bitterly against us are today our most determined supporters. You see that the important thing for propaganda is that it reach its goal, and that it is a mistake to apply critical standards that are irrelevant.” Does the average man know the white racial cause exists? He does not. He knows white racialism is something to beat up Republicans about. We must make a party. And we must make a name for that party. The way to do that is clear, and I’ve laid it out in my strategy piece. And for all you regionalists, cultists and remonstrators, well, as Bob Dole said: “The exits are clearly marked.” 548
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 06:07 AM | #
Unfortunately, Der Linder isn’t as familiar with the history of Wisconsin and Michigan as we are here in Dixieland. We had the misfortune of seeing Linder’s people, the so-called “Wide Awakes,” descend upon the South to give us nigger equality in the 1860s and 1870s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Awakes “Uniform and Tactics - The standard Wide Awake uniform consisted of a full robe or cape, a black glazed hat, and a torch six feet in length to which a large, flaming, pivoting whale-oil container was mounted. Its activities were conducted primarily in the evening and consisted of several night-time torch-lit marches through cities in the northeast and border states. The Wide Awakes adopted the image of a large eyeball as their standard banner. . . . The Wide Awakes never marched anywhere in the South, in 1860, but they represented the South’s greatest fear, an oppressive force bent on marching down to their lands, liberating the slaves and pushing aside their way of life. Their outfits and equipment only further incited this fear with beliefs that “they parade at midnight, carry rails to break open our doors, torches to fire our dwellings, and beneath their long black capes the knife to cut our throats”.[9] To the South, the Wide Awakes were only a taste of what was to come if Lincoln were to be elected. The North would not compromise, and would, if need be, force themselves upon the great South. “One –half million of men uniformed and drilled, and the purpose of their organization to sweep the country in which I live with fire and sword.[10]” This mindset was not appeased any by the wide acceptance of the Wide Awakes in the North.On October 25, 1858, Senator Seward of New York stated to an excited crowd, “a revolution has begun” and alluded to Wide Awakes as “forces with which to recover back again all the fields…and to confound and overthrow, by one decisive blow, the betrayers of the constitution and freedom forever.” To the South, the Wide Awakes and, thus the North, would only be content when the South was fully dominated. The South recognized the need for their own Wide Awakes, and thus started a movement to create “a counteracting organization in the South”,[11] dubbed the “Minute Men”. The South viewed the Wide Awakes as the North’s private army, and thus they determined on creating their own. They would no longer entertain the “abhorrence of the rapine, murder, insurrection, pollution and incendiarism which have been plotted by the deluded and vicious of the North, against the chastity, law and prosperity of innocent and unoffending citizens of the South”.[12] The Minute Men was the South’s unofficial army. Like that of the Wide Awakes, they were expected “to form an armed body of men…whose duty is to arm, equip and drill, and be ready for any emergency that may arise in the present perilous position of Southern States.[13]” The fear of the Wide Awakes resulted in Minute Men companies forming all over the South. Like their enemy, they too held torch rallies and wore their own uniforms, complete with an official badge of “a blue rosette…to be worn upon the side of the hat.[13]”
No, only one policy cures our problem here in the Republic of Dixie: separation from Yankeeland, where all the Jews moved to live in the late 19C anyway, which put Barack Hussein Obama in the White House, which supported the DREAM Act, which alone wanted the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which made “niggers” our equals with the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1875. Der Linder keeps saying that “da Jooz” are behind it all ... well, if that were true, then this shit wouldn’t have been going on before the Jews got here. Hint: there were Yankees like Thaddeus Stevens and Charles Sumner and John Brown and Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau and William Lloyd Garrison who were preaching all of this shit before they formed their alliance with the Jews in John Dewey’s age. Sorry Der Linder, but there is no such thing as “White people” in North America. The “White people” were never all on the same side. Stop lying to people and pretending you have been victimized by “da Jooz.” In places like Vermont, “Yankees” and “Jews” are the same force. Why is Bernie Sanders in the U.S. Senate? Why was Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl in the U.S. Senate? What about Joementum and Blumenthal in Connecticut or Boxer and Feinstein in California? Eric Cantor is the only halfway reasonable Jew in Congress - why is that? Because he represents Culpepper. Go figure. 549
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Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 06:38 AM | # break for screwed up bolded text ... will a moderator please fix this?
What does it matter? Was the New York Times somehow “pro-White” before it came under Jewish control? Der Linder doesn’t know a damn thing about American history. The New York Times and The Nation and The New Republic and Time magazine and Newsweek and U.S. News and World Report ... just what is all this shit? Oh wait ... you mean it is the Yankee media? Are you saying that Henry Luce had his news empire saying all this horseshit in the 1940s and 1950s when White racial attitudes were changing ... in the North, but not in the South? Hmm. Just what was the “Civil Rights Movement.” Gosh, are you saying that it was really just the Second Reconstruction? Are you saying the federal government in Washington started all this shit through the Supreme Court?
Der Linder doesn’t even know where this “civil rights” bullshit came from. Oh wait ... are you telling me that Henry Cabot Lodge and friends were pushing this shit - this “civil rights legislation” - until the Cleveland/Harrison era before it finally died? Are you telling me that Charles Sumner had wrote the Civil Rights Act of 1875 which was almost identical to the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
Are you kidding? Only a fool believes this. It was the divine Lincoln and Frederick Douglass (with his White wife who was descended from the Mayflower) and Henry David Thoreau and Ralph Waldo Emerson and Thaddeus Stevens and Charles Sumner and William Seward and friends ... who created Black Run Amerika 1.0. Black Run Amerika 1.0 lasted from 1866 until 1896 - for thirty years, Dixie was integrated, and three generations lived under that system before it was finally overthrown in the 1890s. It wasn’t until the 1900s that civilization was finally restored here. Then in the 1950s and 1960s ... the Yanks decided they would give Reconstruction another whirl, they were on top of the world back then, having defeated the Depression and Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, and believed they could do anything. They even thought they could whip poverty and drug abuse! LOL, hey Der Linder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXUbcO0Q-Go Just where the fuck is your “White ethnostate,” man? I can draw borders around mine with a magic marker. It even has a name: D-I-X-I-E. For four years (1861-1865), it was an independent country, and we fought bloodiest war in American history for our independence. For the next thirty years (1866-1896), we lived under Yankee tyranny and nigger equality as a result of that conflict. For the next seventy years (1896-1966), we lived under home rule like Ireland. Now we’ve lived through 46 years of Black Run Amerika 2.0 (1965-2011) ... because we are part of the USA. What’s the next 50 years going to be like here? Who knows? But I can assure you of this: were it not for the Union, we wouldn’t have this problem. 551
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 07:11 AM | #
This is what we call horseshit in Dixie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964 The original House version: Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%) The Senate version: Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%) Now, that’s interesting: why was the vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1964 such a sectional vote? Oh wait ... are you telling me it because the Jim Crow South (aka Dixie) practiced segregation, whereas the Northeast and Midwest hadn’t practiced segregation since 1887? You see, the “Civil Rights Act of 1964” succeeded because only Yankeeland wanted it, which had been practicing “integration” for about 70 years by then, and the Democrats and Republicans in the North had to form a sectional supermajority to break the Southern filibuster in the U.S. Senate, which was the longest filibuster in the history of that institution. It was the Yankee media like NBC, ABC, and CBS and the New York Times and Newsweek and Time magazine that wanted all this shit. They were the ones who came here to demonize everyone in the South. Oh, are you saying it was the Jews? Yeah, it was the Jews ... and all the rest of them too, who were up to this game before the Jews even got off the boat in the 1880s and 1890s, but the Neo-Nazis like Der Linder conveniently omit that section of the story.
See, there is no such thing as a Yankee Question. Der Linder insists that all White people are on the same side. In reality, this is nothing more than a WN fantasy. It is a tall tale that these people tell themselves for they can wallow in victimization. The Jews victimized us, man! Okay, think about it: states like Oregon and Illinois and Ohio used to have black codes to keep out the niggers. What happened to them? Did the Jews repeal them? Were the Jews in Iowa in 1851? Were they in charge of Massachusetts in 1844? Are you telling me that Wisconsin and Ohio fought for nigger equality and to make blacks American citizens? Are you telling me they repealed the black codes and repealed their own anti-miscegenation laws? Are you telling me the allowed the niggers to come there? Yeah, that is what I am saying: they even forced White people in Dixie to live under nigger rule in Louisiana and South Carolina. Have you ever seen “The Birth of a Nation”? http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=FbYXF5HmEds What’s this movie about? “The most successful and artistically advanced film of its time, The Birth of a Nation has also sparked protests, riots, and divisiveness since its first release. The film tells the story of the Civil War and its aftermath, as seen through the eyes of two families. The Stonemans hail from the North, the Camerons from the South. When war breaks out, the Stonemans cast their lot with the Union, while the Camerons are loyal to Dixie. After the war, Ben Cameron (Henry B. Walthall), distressed that his beloved south is now under the rule of blacks and carpetbaggers, organizes several like-minded Southerners into a secret vigilante group called the Ku Klux Klan. When Cameron’s beloved younger sister Flora (Mae Marsh) leaps to her death rather than surrender to the lustful advances of renegade slave Gus (Walter Long), the Klan wages war on the new Northern-inspired government and ultimately restores “order” to the South. In the original prints, Griffith suggested that the black population be shipped to Liberia, citing Abraham Lincoln as the inspiration for this ethnic cleansing. Showings of Birth of a Nation were picketed and boycotted from the start, and as recently as 1995, Turner Classic Movies cancelled a showing of a restored print in the wake of the racial tensions around the O.J. Simpson trial verdict.”
The “civil rights movement” goes back to the 1860s and 1870s.
What media are you referring to? You’re talking about the Yankee media. Why were racial attitudes so divergent in America until the 1960s and 1970s? Because “the media” in Dixie used to be controlled by the local segregationist editors ... whereas everyone in Yankeeland was reading Newsweek and Time magazine and watching CBS News. That’s why it is diverging again today thanks to social media and talk radio and cable television. What’s more, Southerners have never relied upon “the media” to form their political opinions. Alexis de Tocqueville and William Lowndes Yancey were pointing this out in the 1830s and 1850s. It was the Yankees who got all their information from newspapers and movies. As far back as the 1850s, the fire eaters were justifying secession on the grounds that Yankees were ideological fanatics and mindless drones who were brainwashed by newspapers owned by capitalists. For decades, the fire eaters warned about Black Republicanism and “nigger equality” and the Republican plot to force miscegenation and social equality upon the South. Oh wait ... are you saying this was perceived as a threat long before the Jews came here? Are you saying the victory of Yankeeland in the War Between the States is why the Jews came here? 552
Posted by J Richards on September 18, 2011, 07:15 AM | # @Dasein So the fires were apparently burning some place other than where you see the humans in the neighborhood of the plane crash site on the north tower? Jet fuel would’ve burned within 10 minutes from impact, and while it was burning, you can bet the humans weren’t anywhere close to the spots where you see them. What remained after the jet fuel burned were local fires here and there, each burning at a location for 15-20 minutes max as the local combustible substance would be exhausted beyond this point. Whereas the local combustibles were mostly away from the steel core columns originally, and the plane would’ve moved some of this closer to the steel columns, the plane would’ve dropped tons of non-flammable debris around some of the columns, thus interfering with airflow to flammable materials. So what can you infer from the fact that the steel columns of the north tower collapsed in a symmetrical manner, 102 minutes after the building was struck? Most were heated similarly [only a few were damaged by the plane impact]. How’s this possible from asymmetrical fires? And there’s something I’d like you to do. Take a stainless steel spoon. Light a gas range or stove, immerse one end of the spoon into the flame while holding the other in your hand. How long can you hold it? This is an illustration of how well steel conducts heat. Now imagine a massive steel framework, a small part of which is exposed to flames. The steel framework will acts as a massive heat sink. So could you raise the temperature in a given part of steel high enough to weaken it so that the building falls? Hardly. NIST’s own research documents that local temperatures of the steel columns they examined didn’t exceed 1100 deg. F (melting point of steel is 2500 - 2750 deg. F) and in many parts were below 500 deg. F. Given the steel used, it would at best bend in an asymmetrical manner when heated above 1500 deg. F, not shatter in given locations to bring the building straight down (what you see on video). Given the heat sink effect, jet fuel burning for 10 minutes or office stuff burning for 15-20 min. at a spot couldn’t raise local steel column temperatures to 1500 deg. F. And this is just the north tower. The South tower collapsed in a mere 56 min. even though the plane hit it such that a great deal of the jet fuel was thrown and burned outside the tower [more than in the case of the north tower]. And we’re not up to building 7 yet or to the molten metal found in the ruins! Why are you defending the official story while claiming that you’re agnostic? 553
Posted by J Richards on September 18, 2011, 07:19 AM | # @Parrott [and others] The decision to post this 9/11 piece was solely mine. GW had nothing to do with it. Just as you’ve condemned him for it, others have praised him for allowing it to be posted. But he deserves neither condemnation nor praise and the posting can’t be held for or against him as he’s agnostic about the matter, this is a discussion website that sometimes pushes the limits, and the responsibility for the posting’s solely mine. In any case, psychological manipulation isn’t your forte. Calling GW a scumbag won’t persuade him to keep an expose of your M.O. off of MR. @Hunter Wallace Why don’t you keep your postings on civil rights, BRA and related matters off of here as this should be about 9/11? Start posting at your website and leave a link here for any interested parties who wish to finish the discussion there. You’ve got anecdotal evidence, whereas MacDonald has a systematic review that concludes otherwise. You lose. Now happy posting of all the anecdotal evidence you want at your own website. You’ve got nothing to contribute on 9/11. You call Jews did 9/11 a crackpot idea. It may very well be, but you’ve got nothing to refute, no substance to add. Take the discussion to your own website. 554
Posted by J Richards on September 18, 2011, 07:26 AM | # Chechar the Jew’s latest hysterics Chechar talks about “Why do so many white nationalists believe the silly 9/11 conspiracy theories?” http://chechar.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/paleologic-nationalism/ Note a couple of interesting things. Regarding 9/11, most significant figures in the WNsphere are either protecting the Jews, minimizing their involvement or are silent. Yet, Chechar is freaked out by a vocal minority, and he doesn’t care to point out their arguments. How confident is he if he can’t link to my compilation on 9/11 and let his readers read for themselves what silliness he’s ranting against? Look at the length of his posting, and Chechar’s serial postings all over other websites on the topic. What better evidence of paranoia does one need? Chechar borrows from outmoded and debunked psyhoanalytic approaches, a Jewish creation [used for malicious purposes], and cites a bunch of Jews to describe the mindset of people like me, talking about upbringing and schizophrenia/psychoses and the paleologic mindset I apparently possess. Somebody went through all this trouble, failing to address the most basic reason why I don’t buy the government’s version: where’s the evidence for the 19 Arabs being involved? Chechar doesn’t cite it, those who defend him don’t, and Chechar’s referred sources don’t. Additionally, a brief glance at the behavior genetics literature reveals that schizophrenia is strongly influenced by genetics and that the shared family environment doesn’t explain why identical twins are discordant for schizophrenia [half the time].. some of the reasons why schizophrenia is of prenatal origin. All this effort wasted… for what? Neither Chechar nor his defenders have explained the why behind his heebie jeebies, and they accuse me of unreasonableness! This “unreasonableness” isn’t just based on the heebie jeebies, but there’s a trail of what other crimes he protects Jews from while claiming to dislike Jews and superficially condemning them. And look at who he’s chummy with: Parrott, Linder… 555
Posted by J Richards on September 18, 2011, 07:38 AM | # @Linder You’ve yet to document any lies I’ve said about you. There’s an unflattering inference, but its based on facts. Just look at how people respond to you. Chechar’s paranoia is self-evident and this paranoid Jew has praise for you! The Jew-loving Parrott addresses you congenially in spite of both you and I calling 9/11 and the Holy Hoax for what it is. I’m sure Parrott would use harsher terms to describe me at his own websites except that he wouldn’t want to bring attention to some of my writings on the Jews and hence gives it a pass. Parrott answers you at length whereas he doesn’t even say yes or no to whether he’ll issue a retraction of his post on cranks and credibility now that it’s unambiguously proven that the scan of Obama’s long-form birth certificate is phony. There’s a niche for scholarship, a niche for sarcasm or humor and a niche for toilet humor. Here’s an example. There’s a striking difference between the academic scholarship of Germar Rudolf and the satire in the comic “Tales of the Holohoax” (especially version 1). But both Rudolf and Simon Sheppard & Stephen Whittle have served prison terms (Sheppard & Whittle for distributing Tales of the Holohoax) because what they’ve promoted is devastating to Jewry. Sheppard & Whittle would’ve been left alone had they limited themselves to blacks. The same can’t be said about your toilet humor. As already noted, Goyfire is dying, Kirksville Today is gone, and VNN’s entertainment value is diminished, all under your watch. At your best you haven’t brought any or much attention to numerous major crimes by Jews. How can one whip others into an exterminationist frenzy? By talking about kikes encouraging mud faggots to flaunt themselves? Or about kikes kiking kikily on kikes? Or is it by documenting the exterminations, murders, mayhem and massacres the Jews have brought about for over 1500 years? If you document these, it doesn’t matter whether you call them Jews or kikes because it’s their murderous behaviors that you’ve directed attention to. Now we have controlled opposition in the likes of Parrott and David Duke (who, in your own words, passes your litmus test) who can only go so far when it comes to exposing Jews. Between the two, Duke’s threshold is higher. And your threshold is higher than Duke’s. But if you’re intelligent enough to see through the lies of 9/11 and the Holocaust, and harbor animus toward Jews, then you have the motivation and the intelligence to look into, figure out and expose false flags orchestrated by Jews such as the 2004 Madrid train bombings, the 2005 London rail and tube bombings, the Canadian false flag that was possibly prevented when bloggers warned that Verint (the Israeli company in charge of the London underground when the bombings took place) was hired to assist with surveillance and security-related matters for the Montreal metro, ... the recent Norwegian massacre. But you remain silent or defend the official version (the Norway case). If one were to grant you the benefit of the doubt and say that you’re not interested in false flags that are related to the Jews waging war in the Middle East for greater Israel and in Afghanistan for opium, you don’t even make it a point to have a decent sticky on something that strikes home: the 1995 Oklahoma bombing, a false flag used to destroy the militia movement and a major strike against nationalists/patriots. The information on the aforementioned false flags that you ignore or sideline is freely available to open-minded, critical thinking and intelligent Jew haters, and there’s no reason why you shouldn’t attempt to persuade others to consider exterminating Jews by exposing these and a considerable number of other murderous acts by them. But you don’t and, instead, your own postings on the matter spread disinformation about Jews that minimizes their role (I’ve pointed out the disinformation regarding the USS Liberty incident and the anthrax attacks in the articles you’ve cited), even though you say that “It is all-important that average white men be taught that jews are responsible for every major social problem in the west” and “Our enemies are the biggest liars, cheaters and mass murderers in history” and “The truth remains that jews are behind ALL upheaveal movements in the West dating back at least to the French Revolution.” I wouldn’t use this standard against others. Note that I don’t argue that Jared Taylor is controlled opposition because he declines to take a stance on the Holocaust, I argue that Matt Parrott is controlled opposition because he promotes the Holocaust, and I argue that Ted Sallis isn’t controlled opposition notwithstanding his promotion of the official 9/11 story. It isn’t the stance one takes or doesn’t take that matters but the circumstances behind the presence or absence of a stance that matter. The circumstances in your case point to controlled opposition. I know this pisses you off, but if you say I’m controlled opposition, it doesn’t piss me off as the arguments one makes speak for themselves. If one were to describe the discussion between you, Parrott and Wallace above, it’s a fine example of controlled opposition figures debating the right approach to salvation… no matter which path the naive white person takes, the end is doom. I’ve little interest in such minutiae as I’d like to focus my free time, and there isn’t much to spare, on exposing the crimes of the ones who present the greatest danger to us. The Jews know how devastating 9/11 truth is for them. I’ll be back regarding the Norwegian massacre, which I won’t discuss here as it belongs where the Norway attack’s discussed, but I’ll leave a link here. 556
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 08:28 AM | # Silver, You put some serious effort into this: =======================================================
Leon, Good points, Silver, though at risk of sounding pompous, haven’t I been saying all that for quite a while (re mixing), including to you on a recent thread? Yes, Mr. Haller, yes you have. I’ll come back to this in a moment. Incidentally, if memory serves, in the separatist v conquistador debate between McCullough and Francis, I don’t recall Francis conceding anything. Francis didn’t concede anything regarding reconquest, but McCulloch (what is it with people?) was given the last word, and with respect to the consequences of admxiture/extinction what could Francis possibly say when he was completely and utterly (and monumentally, when you consider the stakes) incorrect? He must have sat there pondering it like a stunned mullet (as they say here). Good points, Silver, though at risk of sounding pompous, haven’t I been saying all that for quite a while (re mixing), including to you on a recent thread? Back to this. As “uh” pointed out, I’ve been saying it for years myself. The difference is you’re saying it because it’s affecting you and your race, and you make mention of it as part of your general commentary, not really emphasizing it more than any other aspect (crime, culture, dysgenics, etc etc). Now, it’s affecting me too (strictly speaking, it’s affecting the world) but because the peeps down my part of Europe are sortakinda already mixed to a certain degree and the people themselves are sortakinda aware of it, and because the degree of ethnocentricity runs a lot higher, there’s next to zero awareness of it as an issue. So when I refer to “mixing” I’m making a slightly different point, and that point is that awareness of the effects of admixture was for me, as I’ve put it before, the “game-changing realization.” It’s what finally made me stand up and say, you know what, whatever one makes of “the racists,” on this point, on this vital life issue, there’s no disputing that they’re correct; and they’ll remain correct (about the forces in operation) irrespective of what people choose or choose not to do. It wasn’t with any great joy that I conceded this point, I can assure you. It hit me like a ton of bricks: these fuckers are actually in the right. Never in a million years would I have imagined conceding that Adolf motherfucking Hitler (so to speak) was right about something, and yet there it was, for all the extraneous chatter there it was: assert your racial existence and live, or subdue it and perish. It cast a different light on everything. It doesn’t get more game-changing. You’ve mentioned discussions you’ve had with the Amren crowd. Perhaps you were at the conference in ‘94 when Fr. Ron Tacelli was invited to speak. Fr. Tacelli began with an anecdote about lying bedridden in hospital when a visitor dropped off some racialist material (Instauration, Liberty Bell, some others—hard-hitting stuff). As sick as he was, he said, reading through that material made him sit bolt upright. Fr. Tacelli essentially disavowed racialism at that conference (no big surprise; they all do! haha), but why would the material originally have had the effect that it did on him? Certainly, racialism tends to punch through a number of cherished myths, which is understandably disturbing. But my guess is that it also affected him on a personal level, that it made him reflect on events in his own life and placed a certain pressure on him to reevaluate their meaning, and perhaps even to question his individual worth, all of which can be very unsettling to the psyche. The reason I mention Fr. Tacelli is that he was presumably invited to speak at that conference because it was thought there was something he might have been able to say, a point of view that he might have been able to proffer, that, dire as the circumstances appeared and fraught with prospects of tremendous tumult as the future seemed, perhaps there was an overlooked factor that, if brought to light, could “make everything okay” (hey, why not, the man’s a priest!). But the truth is there is no such point of view, there is no such factor. And perhaps knowing this Jared Taylor invited Fr. Tacelli along to indirectly drive that point home. Or maybe not. But surely that is the realization that must emerge for any thinking man: that everyone is, plainly, full of shit; that everyone keeps talking around the central aspect of human existence— race. (Or if that’s too much for people, then “racial relatedness.”) To exist as a human is to exist racially (or, again, “racially relatedly”). What the hell is the point of anything else? What the fuck am I supposed to do with a pack of blackassed hindoos or a bunch of ooger-booger niggers? And, no, not just a “pack” or a “bunch,” but endless numbers of them. For that matter, and for the sake of completeness, and to demonstrate that I’m not out to racially “one-up” anyone, what the hell is a Leon Haller, or better a yet Desmond Jones or an Alex Linder or a William Lucifer Pierce, to do with a pack of—I’ll admit it (but then I like it that way)—glib, smarmy, oily “Silvers”? (Sadly, there are not “endless numbers”—if only!) It’s the lie we’re all living, the lie that this “way of life” is in any sort of a way an improvement over conditions of “general homogeneity” (“general” in order to emphasize that mild (though measured) exceptions can always be made). Particularly galling is that, to my way of thinking, all that stands in the way of reordering our lives around this principle is a “mental block,” a mental block from which flow the torrents of BS excuses like no, not now, or no, it’s too soon, or no, it’s too late, or no, the economy, or no, Jesus, or no, I know this black guy, or no, the gas chambers, or no…well, you know. I had a sales manager once whose metaphor for the sales process was guiding a person through to the end of a corridor. Along the corridor are any number of doors. If the fancy strikes him the person you’re guiding will try one or more of the doors, and if unlocked, he’ll walk out on you and you’ll fail in your task to guide him to the end of the corridor. Therefore, it’s up to you to ensure that all the doors are locked, so that he has no way out. In real life, the “doors” are people’s objections. They’re not always particularly well thought out objections but, well thought out or not, those objections matter to people, and they will guide their behavior, so the onus is on the salesman to be prepared for those objections and to assist people in overcoming them—not to overrule people, because, as salesmen like to say, “a man convinced against his will/ is of the same opinion still.” The relevance to race is that most people know that “race matters,” but they will throw up any number of excuses as to why nothing should be done about it. And it just won’t do to denounce them, or scream obscenities at them or threaten them. The task is to make race as easy as possible, not as hard as possible, at least in the crucial fledgling stage. It may be as presumptuous as hell for me to say this, but if I’m to judge by the standards of Instauration or WLP or GLR or VNN or even Amren, then racialists have failed spectacularly to make race easy. (Geezus, Linder whines about Buchanan, but what about Joe Sobran? How many racialists sing his praises, yet what did Sobran have to say about race? He denounced racialism. When your own leading lights denounce you I’d say you’re in a slight spot of bother.) Can race be made easy? I believe that it can. This mightn’t be obvious given my propensity to indulge in racial epithets. I do it because I don’t see the same significance in my uttering those slurs as the significance they assume when they emanate from the mouth of, say, a Revilo Oliver. For racialists like Oliver, “nigger” is a claim to objective reality; this and this and this are the features and properties of this being (the nigger) and all who objectively examine him (including the nigger himself) must agree. Whereas for me, “nigger,” like “dago” or “gook” or “kike,” is “just a word,” one that I might use to refer to a member of a certain group with whom I am at present experiencing problems, but no claim to any greater objective reality is implied by its use; and that whatever my opinion of a “nigger” or a “paki” or a “gook” may be, there isn’t the slightest expectation that my opinion be taken seriously (ie as claim of objective reality) by a nigger or a paki or a gook etc; just because I may not like you, I’m certainly not suggesting that you ought not to like you. This may seem a minor point, but people don’t have to delve very deep into racialism before encountering the value judgment aspect of it. Indeed, for a large number of (often the most dedicated) racialists, the value judgment aspect is the sum total of what racialism is about. This point I emphatically do not concede. I’m not bothered by value judgment and I wouldn’t bother to attempt to extirpate it, but I’ll never agree that it’s “all there is” to racialism. “Making race easy,” in fact, consists in large part (perhaps in its entirety) in assisting people to learn to shrug off value judgments, to perfectly at ease with them. If this can be achieved then one of the main objections to racialism, often unspoken but no less forceful for it, vanishes in a puff of smoke; almost all the rest is logistics. ======================================== I read your remarks, but at the risk of seeming like an asshole, you kind of swamped me with the verbiage. In brief, what are you driving at? (and I thought you were a Southern European living in Australia, btw - actually, you have always struck me as an American, by your style of thought and expression - one can intuit these things; for example, it is very easy to see that Graham Lister or Lee John Barnes are not American, and that Hunter and Linder are, even beyond what they all profess). Let’s clear the air, once and for all: where do you stand on the Race Question? What are your concerns? What specifically do you want to see legislated or changed? There are at least four types among us: 1. Race-realists: those who merely accept the natural and social scientific data arguing for genetic differences between the races considered as aggregates (eg, Charles Murray, Arthur Jensen); 2. Ethnonationalists (more commonly Europeans): those who wish to preserve or advance their historic ethnic groups, and do so for cultural or patriotic reasons, and for whom biological information is largely irrelevant (eg, Pat Buchanan, Jean-Marie Le Pen, Hunter Wallace, perhaps); 3. Racialists: those whose patriotic attachment centers on their race, and who wish to organize politically in order to advance the welfare or power of such, usually by some form of separation from, or domination over, or resistance to, other races (Jared Taylor, Sam Francis, GW, most non-radical WNs); 4. Racists: those who are haters of other races (or ethnic groups), in addition to belonging to other categories (Pierce, GLRockwell, Linder). This typology is no more than the briefest beginning towards the creation of a more detailed taxonomy of our movement and sympathizers. Obviously, there is a lot of overlap between the categories (eg, most racialists, and all white racialists, are also race-realists, but many race-realists are not even racialists, let alone racists). Where do you fit in? (try to be disciplined in your response, avoiding excessive inside metaphors, allusions, expressions, etc) 557
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 08:33 AM | # My country is called America. My ancestors came over on the Mayflower. My ancestors fought with Ethan Allen in Vermont, and George Washington to establish it. Their offspring did all they could to keep the filthy niggers you 90-IQ crackers imported to do the work you were too lazy to do yourselves, and so you could have someone around dumb enough you could plausibly look down on them. No surprise you had to go to Africa to find them. You sure couldn’t go anywhere in the US or in Europe. No, but really. Thanks for thinking about the rest of us when you brought in those niggers. You put about as much thought into that as you did into the inevitable outcome of the thing called Civil War. And today, in keeping with your traditional lack of brainpower and foresight, men from your region rush in disproportionate numbers to be trained as K9 units to prosecute wars for northern bankers and semitic scum against people who never did anything to us, thereby damaging my country’s reputation—all while your intelligentsia (the 3-400 of you with thee-digit IQs) anonymously whine about Damn Yankees. You Southerners think you’re rocks, and you’re right. Sandstone, if I had to guess. You don’t deserve to be abused for who you are, as the jewspapers abuse you. But do you deserve to be admired for it? I think your minority of intelligent, honest men will find that a very difficult question to answer. A troll mentions a country that does not exist, and makes big squawk over it. If I were to address this troll directly, which I will not, because it’s a troll non grata, a man without grace, without honor, and because I shun such, as all should; but if I were to address this noxious homunculus, I would say to this troll, Madame, you are an unfuckable lardass. I’m sorry. I channeled Berlouchy there a minute. I would say, Madame Troll, or to the judge considering which psych ward to reassign it, your country is a mere figment of crayon, and a crayon pushed by a crazy person who thinks things are whatever he says they are rather than what they actually are. Does he want Missouri to be a Southern state? Then Missouri’s a southern state. Neato. I have no doubt it works on Hawaii too. The sad stable fact is that Troll Nation is nonexistent, whereas my country exists, has existed, and will continue to exist even when the men in White suits send her back to the rubber-walled repository, where it can fussle with its nation-making-crayons 24/7, babbling with the excitement one associates with a child of three or four. The prosaic fact is the south is but a region of the USA, and a comparatively insignificant region, to be sure, but decent enough for all that, despite the presence of tens of millions of the most violent, odious and odoriferous niggers imaginable within its borders - and a pretty large stratum of whites that, well, let’s just say you wouldn’t want to live next door to them, even if you did acknowledge their political rights. It remains a truth that must discomfort the regionalist: many people move south for the weather; very few move south for the people. Average whites find a typical Southerner, say Paula Dean, the cooking hostess, obese, religiously ridiculous, socially affected and insincere beyond belief. The cherry on the sundae is the intolerable slowness of southern speech. Even worse, getting beneath style points to matters substantial, there are very high levels of ordinary dishonesty among average southerners, as reflected in the extraordinarily mendacious behavior of our troll friend throughout this thread. Trollio is above average in intellect, to be sure, but characterwise is quite low - a disturbingly common type of low-liar found nearly everywhere in the south outside the known elites, and particularly among the churchmen that notoriously pervade the region. The book “Don’t Call Me Brother” captures quite memorably the simple dirty nastiness of the average low-rent southern jesus huckster - the conman type to which our pudgy fantasist most closely conforms, at least under his present fake persona as a god-fearin’, straight-moralin’ buhliever. Southern bigots like to claim their region is a nation, but its people are neither ethnically distinct, nor have they anything approaching a distinctive culture. Grits? Waffle House? College football? mudding? These are no culture. They’re mere regionalisms, or things found elsewhere in similar form. If there’s anything distinctive about the south that isn’t negative, what, pray tell, would that be? The weather? Ok, I’ll grant that, in part and in places. To recapitulate: 1) the south is a region, not a nation; 2) the south aint going anywhere; 3) the troll will never be addressed directly until it raises its behavior to the level of an honorable man and keeps that standard for a minimum of five years. We do not expect that day to come, it is unnecessary to say. The only thing left to say is that if you neutral onlookers read this thread over slowly, you will see in the troll’s posts every last argument trotted out by the anti-white hate center SPLC, which this honest man, writing under his own name, has long predicted will be the shapeshifting troll’s final resting point. Don’t say you weren’t warned. If you can read between the lines, you can see it coming a mile away. If it hasn’t come already. 558
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 08:41 AM | # Silver, Let me add: I’m about to break off from commenting until October, but I definitely will read any response to me you choose to pen. Linder, You are truly a master of invective. Very funny. Your presence definitely enlivens things in this particular neck of the White Woods. Out. 559
Posted by A. Linder on September 18, 2011, 08:44 AM | #
Bullshit. I documented two lies you’ve made about one. One is this whole thread. You claimed up top I / VNN didn’t blame Mossad for ‘9/11.’ I proved beyond doubt we did and do. Your second documented lie was that I was on a medication I’ve never heard of. I’m not. You claimed this was satire. It was satirical in form, true, but what matters is intent. Your intent was not satirical. So, I’ve caught you in two lies, and documented them. I have nothing further to do with you, as you have demonstrated you’re a character defective, and I shun such, particularly when they don’t even lie under their real names. I’ll only throw in further the fact that you accuse basically everyone of being a jew or controlled opposition coupled with the fact that you routinely cite known liar Hufschmid as a credible source - that tells me what your game is. So in short, fuck off, lying punk. 560
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 09:00 AM | # Alex,
Amish are also populating the Lakes Region of New York. Land is cheaper. Per the Belizean commenter here a few weeks ago, Mennonites have a near-monopoly of industry in Belize. But this proves nothing. Herding cats, remember. White Nationalists do not qualify. I’ve been to SLC. The Mormons don’t like our kind anymore than the Nazis would have. We’re too diverse, ironically. High individualism is the ruin of the community. Wandrin has nailed this down to excessive out-breeding among whites and the resultant lack of tribal feeling.
The price of ensured racial continuity. By the way, have a look at this thread at OD for some disheartening anecdotes about these communities. They are ... pregnable. Diversity will infect them too in the end. The Hutterites out West will take in half-Amerind strays. The Amish will take in half-kaffirs. Can’t defend a sand castle against the mud tide. And most of them have been hit with the ugly stick, anyway. Sometimes the Amish girls are cute in a homely fashion — I could go for a bonnet and buck teeth if the skin is peachy and the nose Aryan.
Nah. It’s about as far from that as one can be in psychology. Jews see phrases like “fitness-relative” and their antennae shoot up like prairie dogs watching for dingoes. Their instinct is sound; academic whites are wandering off the mind reservation. Hence Gould’s one-man crusade of misinformation against the IQ testers and sociobiologists. This stuff is our best friend. It’s the same darwinian academic culture that produced Kevin MacDonald, your “enemy”, and even the great E.O. Wilson is not afraid of taking a light toehold aboard the Ev-Psych Express to liberation from the dogma — btw I urge everyone to pre-order Pathological Altruism.
Would explain, not support. The obverse is that it also explains something of your character. Now, I’m not asking you to play nice, as that were asking a dog to meow. Only illustrating that your “bell curve” of agreeableness exists and it doesn’t say exactly what you think. It does say the conservative set is womanish insomuch as women have “used” agreeableness to offset disadvantage in the pronounced sexual dimorphism of humans and especially whites; conservatives engage in a “feminine” strategy and so do not capture the masses. The breakdown here is that the masses today are not the masses of yesterday. Feminization has affected everyone, made the masses deeply defiant, so what we have is a bunch of bickering bitches who won’t get behind anyone unless they possess the tokens of legitimacy minted by judeokulchur. This isn’t a beer-hall society or a veteran’s club. Rounder is not Ludendorff, and for that matter, Hitler would not have come anywhere near the Chancellery had he not been given a time-out in Landsberg am Lech, where he had the opportunity to reflect on what he’d done wrong — namely, shouting at conservatives while waving a pistol in the air. In the can he decided to subtilize his method, and while Mein Kampf is padded with many inches of “no compromise” rhetoric, compromise his way to power is more or less just what he did. Sure, he didn’t give the nod to the Bavarian separatists or the monarchists, but he let in a few homosexuals, ex-Communists, unrevolutionary Frontsoldaten from the Freikorps units, the hated Vaterländische-Vereine, etc. But all that is to speak as though there is a valid analogy with that era. There isn’t. It is a false identity, so as “right” as you are about the suit-and-tie nancyboys, it’s still lemonade stand v. Wal-Mart Stores.
And conversely, that low agreeableness may end in overperception of motive, as evident from your first line. It predicts that disagreeable people may slip into pathological bad attitudes that will alienate them from their peers and cause them to see things that aren’t there. While it is true that we cannot fruitfully cooperate with those who compromise with the Jew, being the very negation of what is good for us, it is no less true that wholesale violent bashing accomplishes precisely nothing — beyond giving us some of the best, most vigorous writing in our language. Even dagoes like Silver and I have learned that lesson. “People scoring low on agreeableness are ... less likely to go out of their way to help others.” 561
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 09:17 AM | # Linder, A final point. You’re a fairly intelligent guy (I don’t see any evidence of brilliance, however, as you probably assume should be obvious). Why not use your talents in a more persuasive way than spending a decade of hurling abuse around the internet? I don’t know how you support yourself, but you obviously have free time. Why not use that free time to gain some real, objective academic expertise in the field of Jewish Studies? Even if you didn’t wish to return to grad school, as I’ve now done with Catholic Theology (and that PC world probably would not accept you), why not subject yourself to a disciplined course of study in Jewish political involvements (as Kmac did), and then write a book on your political strategy re dealing with Jewry and allied issues? If the book were sober, factual and free of invective, you might find a publisher (probably countercurrents). You could then sell it through VNN. It probably would not be a moneymaker, but at least it would boost your standing. Doing what you’ve been doing seems like a waste, merely talking to other talkers. 562
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 09:19 AM | #
Leon!!! Don’t encourage him. lolzlolzlolzzzlolzlzlozlzolzz Read this instead:
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Posted by Armor on September 18, 2011, 10:41 AM | # @Hunter Wallace, You have given good evidence that, even without Jewish intervention, some White people are ready to sacrifice their race in the name of foolish ideas. But I’m not sure about your objective. I have several theories : • You like to contradict Alex Linder just for the fun of it. • You want to help him become more effective. You think he would help the White race better if he went after the White “puritans” and “liberals” rather than after the Jews. •Your biggest concern is respect for the truth. Even though most people don’t know anything about the Jewish problem, you think it is important that they should know that the race-replacement problem isn’t attributable ONLY to the Jews. • You are afraid that Jewish feelings might be hurt. • ... ? Even if Jewish activists are not 100% responsible for the race-replacement crisis, I can’t think of a better strategy for White Nationalists than to denounce and try to end the Jewish domination of the West, especially in government and the media. If there is something wrong with White people’s minds, we cannot change that. But it should be possible to build a movement against the Jewish domination of the West, and to create White television stations made by White people for White people. 564
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 18, 2011, 11:09 AM | # J. Richards,
I didn’t object to your retarded conspiracy theory. I didn’t object to your retarded attacks on me. I objected to his allowing you to call a trusted and productive comrade a Jew without any corroborating evidence. Were he not a scumbag, he would have either edited that part out or provided a substantiation. There’s not any gray area to work with. Not to parrot Linder here, but it really doesn’t matter how well anybody likes him or how well anybody gets along with him socially. If Mother Theresa robs a bank, then she’s a burglar. If GW publishes retarded articles from raving tards which include unprovoked and indefensible attacks on our best comrades, then he’s a scumbag. 565
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 11:28 AM | #
Spot-editing isn’t his job. I agree that J Richards crossed the line and was the first to say so, and say granting front page access to him has proven utterly backward policy, but there’s no need for immoderate rhetoric the other way. Have you any idea how many people Linder’s cuntish little bulldog “Socrates” has called a Jew, how many more he’s simply banned for questioning the ~*party line*~? I know there’s no real comparison between MR and the pitiful ghost of VNN mainpage, but it happens. GW also let Soren post his silly line-drawing of a piggie. I thought that made him a fool. Yet when the conceited blowhard “PF” went a little wild with personal info about me, he struck it down, even after years of mocking people here for no good reason. Let’s just suggest he do the same with Richards’ scandalous libel and leave it there. 566
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 18, 2011, 11:35 AM | # A picture of Mr. Wallace (yes it’s really him) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rl9b6-n2sKE/TBiwujOwABI/AAAAAAAABYk/d4Qk3sn1gjs/s1600/hunter.JPG 567
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 11:39 AM | # Armor, Let’s be white and give Hunter Wallace his due.
1 & 3 are your answers. Obviously the two mightily enjoy mocking each other. And obviously HW has a respect for the truth well beyond most people. As far as I know, he has never downplayed Jewish influence, suppressed evidence, or anything of the sort. What he has done is give a different spin to the subject matter. Simple as that. 568
Posted by Sam Davidson on September 18, 2011, 01:19 PM | # Matt Parrott,
I made basically the same point in May: Give the original post a skimming. 569
Posted by Dasein on September 18, 2011, 01:36 PM | # Matt, Didn’t you use MR to post a claim about Hunter Wallace spending donation money on a trip to the Caribbean, and didn’t you later admit (either at n/a’s blog or your interview with Soren) that it was it was only conjecture on your part (and I don’t recall you retracting or modifying that claim at the logical place to do so—the thread where you made it). GW might suffer from poor judgement by times (who doesn’t?), but he’s hardly a ‘scumbag’. 570
Posted by Dasein on September 18, 2011, 01:41 PM | # JR, What evidence do you have that Chechar is a jew? 571
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 18, 2011, 01:53 PM | # Dasein, My accusation was in the midst of a very contentious episode where I drew an inaccurate conclusion from a flood of inaccurate information from sources I trusted at the time. Shortly after I made the accusation, I offered a full retraction and apology both on the board where the accusation was made and anywhere else the topic was broached. I take accuracy very seriously and am indeed disappointed in how I handled the episode, but I believe that neither the mistake itself nor my follow-up on my mistake demonstrated a disregard for accuracy or our cause.
More importantly, that incident was not part of an overarching pattern. 572
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 18, 2011, 02:20 PM | # GW’s toleration of verbose weaklings is frustrating to me at times, but his willingness to allow Yelly-filled Jewgernauts to posture beside White Oaks, provides a useful contrast. 573
Posted by Dasein on September 18, 2011, 02:21 PM | #
Matt,
I don’t remember seeing anywhere in that thread where you retracted or modified your claim. Am I wrong? If not, it’s rather pathetic to call GW a scumbag for permitting the type of behaviour of which you are also apparently guilty. 575
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 18, 2011, 03:09 PM | # Dasein, Touche. I remember eating those words very publicly. Whatever the appropriate platform for doing so, I’ll do so. That comment thread is closed down, so the first recourse that comes to mind is unavailable. 576
Posted by play that song on September 18, 2011, 03:10 PM | # The rest of us, whites and non-whites, are glad self-professed “White Nationalists” are such an amazingly disunited bunch -to the extent that they probably dislike each other more than they do their supposed enemies- that they absolutely have no chance of influencing our lives. Keep it up, guys! 577
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 18, 2011, 03:44 PM | #
@Jimmy You talking to me? You want a ‘square go’? Joking! People please can we stop the GW bashing - if you have a problem you know his email addy and perhaps if you really need to you can take the bile elsewhere, yes? 578
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 18, 2011, 04:05 PM | # Graham,
I would never defame an Upright English Oak. This is clearly a White Oak. 579
Posted by Dasein on September 18, 2011, 04:47 PM | # JR, When I get a chance in the next days, I will respond to your last post regarding WTC demolition. 582
Posted by Lew on September 18, 2011, 05:37 PM | # I see Jew Richards was at it again this morning. Who is this creature? 583
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 05:44 PM | #
Oh, is that what you are, Alex? A Yankee? Who knew?
Who went to Africa here? Oh wait ... are you telling me that Yankees went to Africa on their ships, bought all these damn slaves, started competing with the British and the Portuguese and the Spanish and the Dutch in the slave trade, sold a ton of these slaves in the slave markets in the Caribbean and Latin America, pocketed a vast fortune, and sold some of them here in Dixie? You mean that Yankees were doing shit like that entirely on their own initiative? Just like they “liberated” the slaves and gave them American citizenship? Are you saying that Yankees protested the Dred Scott decision (which established that negroes weren’t citizens) in the name of the Higher Law?
But, you seem to have forgotten, New England was the commercial section of the Union, not Dixie. Yankeeland also had the Union Navy in the War Between the States. Yankees had been all over the world by that point stirring up trouble abroad, putting across the ocean in the Yank ships to places as far away as Indonesia and the Mediterranean. quarreling with Europe and foreign powers in the process.
It wasn’t inevitable. Actually, it surprised everyone when Lincoln got so desperate that he stirred the race war and emancipated African-Americans for they could fight for the Union Army. Everyone in Europe was like ... so much for White solidarity, man! Europeans considered intervening to stop the race war that Lincoln and the Wide Awakes had started.
LMAO. Der Linder, who hails from Babbitland, keeps insisting that Dixie lacks brainpower. Now why is that? It is because “intellectuals” aren’t taken as seriously here as they should be. We don’t worship intellectuals like Jean-Paul Sartre or Jurgen Habermas like they do in France. Actually, this is a great advantage for us. Because people here are religious, and less inclined to take secular intellectuals seriously, we have greater immunity to all their nonsense, especially their theories about race and culture which in some other sections of the USA the NY Times is still taken as Holy Writ. God damns wars ... man. Did it ever occur to Der Linder that military service is a noble profession? Did it ever occur to Der Linder that - yes, the Jews - were the leaders of the anti-war movement in the 1960s and again in the 2000s? How about that? Are you saying that Der Linder was on the same side as the Jews on that question? As for his country’s reputation, Eisenhower integrated Central High School in Little Rock to impress foreigners. Yankees care about impressing foreigners. We don’t.
(1) First, it is Yankees that read the newspapers and who get all their ideas from the newspapers. (2) Second, as far back as Alexis de Tocqueville, foreign commentators traveling in Yankeeland used to crack jokes about the mindless conformity of the region and how everyone there was brainwashed to repeat “talking points” from the newspapers. (3) In the 1840s and 1850s, the fire eaters like Yancey repeatedly drew attention to this point, in order to explain why the North’s ideological fanaticism on the race question and which was seen in the Wide Awakes would eventually lead to a mongrelized society of “equality” under the U.S. dollar.
Did it piss you off? Der Linder is goin’ nuclear on me for raising the Yankee Question! I’m contradicting his entire worldview of victimization here, man. If the Jews done it, why was Iowa repealing the anti-miscegenation law in 1851? Maybe they had Der Linder’s superior brains up there? Who knows!
South Missouri is a Southern state. I never said that Der Linder lived in a Southern state. He obviously doesn’t.
LOL So your country is America now? America is your White ethnostate? I believe this is the first time that I have ever heard you say this. In fact, when I pull out my charts, we can see that “America” (which starts north of the Potomac and Ohio, above the spillover in the South Midwest), we can see that “America” was experimenting with race insanity from the beginning in places like Vermont and New York. It’s a myth that America has always been racial - it was Dixie that was racial, but large swathes of Yankeeland were in fact never racial, and there was no Jewish conspiracy responsible making things otherwise.
As for the negro question, everyone here knows why cities like Richmond and New Orleans and Birmingham and Memphis have been destroyed: it is because the Yankees desperately wanted that to happen, and overwhelmingly voted for it in the 1960s, in order to integrate every single institution in our society. What do you mean? Are you saying that MLK stood in front of the Lincoln Memorial to have a talk with Yankeeland about its racial ideals? Are you saying that the great MLK sold his speech - by directly invoking Lincoln and Reconstruction - in order to appeal to the Yankee controlled federal government to revive its own stupid project of forcing racial equality on the South? Finally, “the South” is not a region of the USA. The so-called “Nation of Immigrants” is actually north of here. The South is an ethnostate like Quebec within America. From Virginia to Texas, the vast majority of Southerners are descended from the British Isles, and our ancestors go back to the beginning of America. The South has always had its own point of view on America because - yes, because - of ethnography. We are not the same people as all the people who live up there in Wisconsin and Minnesota.
Does anyone move to Zenith, Winnemac to live among the divine Alex Linder’s brilliant society? It’s funny because I keep reading about “the collapse of the blue model” all over The American Interest and throughout the progressive blogosphere. You see, the Yankees have always believed in their own mythical superiority. This is the same attitude - this believe in Yankee ideological superiority - which gave them the confidence in the 1870s and the 1960s to believe that with their magic public schools they could transform negroes into White people
Yes, it is poor character on my part: poor character to point out that Pennsylvania abolished the anti-miscegenation law in 1780 and that New York refused to pass one and that Massachusetts repealed the anti-miscegenation law in 1844 in the name of “liberty.” The North also repealed its own black codes - yes, voluntarily. Why do you suppose all the niggers flooded in there? When Southerners first settled Oregon, we banned nigger settlement there entirely, but later the Yankees moved to Oregon and repealed the law. Can you believe it? Yes, Southerners had moved to Oregon and had OUTLAWED the presence of blacks there, but then Yankees came along, repealed the law, and invited them to join the prosperous society out there in the Williamette Valley.
Der Linder’s commentary on my low character continues: apparently, he never really thought about it, why there were so many niggers in Chicago and Detroit and Philadelphia. Are you telling me that Yankees came up with the 14th Amendment? Are you telling me that they repealed their own laws in the name of “liberty and equality”? Are you telling me that they were repealed their anti-miscegenation laws by 1887? YEAH!
This has always been the Yankee view. Every time we have an election, it is easily refuted. Kentucky is always like Tennessee. Mississippi is always like Alabama which is like Georgia. Texas is always like Oklahoma. North Carolina is always like Virginia. Missouri though ... is a swing state. Why is Missouri a swing state? It is because Der Linder’s people live there is such overwhelming numbers. That’s why Missouri behaves like a cross between Arkansas and Iowa whenever we have elections.
To recapitulate: 1.) Dixie is a nation, which was an independent country for four years, 2.) Dixie has always been a sub-nation within the United States, 3.) this can be seen in the Jim Crow system and 4.) it can also been seen in Dixie’s racialized politics where Whites in Alabama and Mississippi vote 9 to 1 against the Democratic Party.
That one stung me, Alex. I didn’t know that I had such low character for pointing out that all this shit was tried in the 1870s - integrated schools, integrated public places, nigger supremacy in the state legislatures, nigger governors, repealing our anti-miscegenation laws - when the Yankees were running Black Run Amerika 1.0 here. TRUE WHITE NATIONALISTS WILL NOT BE DECEIVED!! The Jews are responsible for Iowa repealing its anti-miscegenation law in 1851! The Jewish media is responsible for repealing all the black codes in the North, passing the 14th Amendment, and inviting millions of niggers to move to Detroit and Chicago! 584
Posted by FB on September 18, 2011, 06:08 PM | # Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 18, 2011, 03:35 PM | # A picture of Mr. Wallace (yes it’s really him) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rl9b6-n2sKE/TBiwujOwABI/AAAAAAAABYk/d4Qk3sn1gjs/s1600/hunter.JPG What do you look like, TR? Brad Pitt? Are you recruiting for a modeling agency? What was the point of this cheap shot? 585
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 06:30 PM | # You’ve convinced me. This Yankee wants to kill some fookin’ Yankees! lolzlzlolzolzolololzolzolzozlzzozl 586
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 06:33 PM | # OK, this is all getting to be a bit much. Personal attacks really have no place. The one advantage of strong, centralized organization is that troublemakers, lunatics and ‘dissentionists’ can be made to clean up their acts, or else held at bay. American WN needs just such a strong, confident movement of concerned citizens. But the movement itself needs to be sufficiently moderate in ideology so as not to scare off potential recruits and sympathizers. Defensive racialism (recall my suggested mantra: STOP Violence Against Whites, repeated endlessly, as well as the older, secondary mantra: Anti-Racist = Anti-White), focused on explaining and ending immigration as well as affirmative action, and getting the govt to adopt a hardline on crime, is the key for this moment in time. Focus on gradual radicalization. People are sheep, and want visible successes before they sign up. As the movement is seen by more and more people to be serious, and if it starts achieving things, it will grow. As it grows, we can ‘up’ our demands without thereby losing membership. WN fools will see I am right. Why do so few of you study the Civil Rights Movement’s history, and learn from its methods? If CRM had started out demanding affirmative action and the right to fornicate with white girls, they would have gone nowhere. Instead, they made appeals to the Majority’s sense of Christian justice, stated that all they sought was the removal of state prejudicial legislation (“Jim Crow”) - and then, once gullible Christian whitey gave in, immediately went on to greater demands (and once they got those have gone still further)? Why are Jews and Blacks cannier than WNs? 587
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 06:46 PM | # Time to draw the borders of the proposed “White ethnostate”: (1) Florida - The border of the “White ethnostate” in Florida is near 1-4 corridor which stretches from Daytona Beach through Orlando to Tampa. Everything north of 1-4 in Florida is claimed by the White ethnostate. (2) Maryland/Delaware - The border of the “White ethnostate” in Maryland and Delaware cuts across the Atlantic shore in a horizontal line and subsumes most of the Eastern Shore of Maryland and parts of South Delaware. Parts of Western Maryland are also claimed. (3) Virginia - In Virginia, the border of the “White ethnostate” subsumes all of the Old Dominion except for NOVA, and amputates the region north of north of Fredericksburg and east of Winchester. (4) West Virginia - West Virginia is claimed and will be annexed to Virginia. (5) Indiana/Illinois - The border of the “White ethnostate” follows the Ohio River until you get into Illinois and Indiana where Southerners have settled on the other side of the Ohio River like the Germans settled on the other side of the Rhine in Gaul. This is a Rhineland situation. The area south of I-70 in the “Hoosier Nation” is close to the border. I’m not familiar with that area, but from what I am told, Indianapolis is a border city between “the real Midwest” and “Dixie,” and the area south of Indianapolis tilts toward Dixie, whereas the area north of Indianapolis is part of Yankeeland. In Illinois, South Illinois is part of Dixie, and the border is somewhere near Route 50 which bissects the state from Vincennes to East St. Louis, or if we are getting really imperial here, we could just follow I-70 from Terre Haute to East St.Louis. It might be best to cede this area to the Union and let the people who live there move back to Kentucky, Tennessee, and Virginia where they came from. (6) Mizzou - In Mizzou, follow I-44 from St. Louis through Springfield, the area south of I-44 is “South Missouri” and is also part of Dixie. Maybe the line should be drawn west to Columbia and then south back to I-44. (7) Oklahoma - In Oklahoma, the border comes out of Missouri in the Ozarks and envelopes all of “Little Dixie” there in Southeast Oklahoam, which is spillover from Arkansas and Missouri and Texas. (8) Texas - Texas is going to have to give up its imperial ambitions and cede more territory than any other state. The border runs through southeast Oklahoma to around Durant or Ardmore on the Red River. It swoops down from there to include Dallas and then runs from Dallas to Houston and from Houston to Galveston. Houston and Galveston are included. The border finally hits the Gulf of Mexico around Galveston Bay. Everything within these borders is claimed by the Republic of Dixie which is the name of the Southern version of the “White ethnostate.” The Republic of Dixie includes all of present day Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, and North Carolina. It also includes all of Virginia minus NOVA, North Florida above Tampa and Orlando, parts of Western Maryland and the Eastern Shore, South Delaware, Indiana and Illinois south of I-70, Missouri south of I-44, Little Dixie in Oklahoma, and East Texas from Dallas through Houston to Galveston. Everything else is ceded to the USA. In an ideal world, we would build Jimmy Giles “big ass white wall” through South Missouri and underneath NOVA and through the Tampa/Orlando metropolitan area, and from Dallas to Galveston. The capital of the Republic of Dixie is naturally Atlanta which will be transformed into the Washington of a restored Confederacy. Of course it is entirely possible that Dixie might inherit Washington itself in the post-Beltway world of the late 21st century. In that case, Washington would be the capitol. What about all the blacks and Hispanics? First, the Hispanics area already leaving here, and will be gone in short order after the economy goes to hell. Second, the blacks having grown accustomed to Black Run Amerika will certainly reverse course and head back to Yankeeland when Black Run Amerika 2.0 crashes to its end here. The only reason they are moving here is because the federal government forces racial tolerance on Dixie. That’s already clearly weakening as the costs of BRA become unaffordable to White people who live here. Now that I have named my “White ethnostate” and have drawn its borders on a map, perhaps Der Linder can draw the borders of whatever he is referring to with that term? 588
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 06:51 PM | #
Do you want to the World Commander of Neo-Confederatism? The position is open. loluzloluz 589
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 07:23 PM | #
That’s an old picture. (1) Let’s remember our history - I went to Virginia to help advance the “WN movement” there. In fact, I went out and confronted Jeffrey Imm by myself on two or three occasions. Why did I go by myself - aside from the one time when William Rome went with me? Oh wait ... it is because WNs were too chickenshit to even talk to Jeffrey Imm and would shit in their pants every time Imm bothered them. I was also angry with Jeffrey Imm for harassing people (like The Parrott and Kievsky) and felt like letting him know my opinion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbqKby8zSQ The irony of all ironies was that after confronting Imm for harassing The Parrott and Kievsky, in which I called him out for doing so in his own territory in DC, the two of them started attacking me - over a bunch of lies that Greg was spreading around on the internet because - yes, because - he was pissed off over getting fired and was making shit up. (2) I traveled all across the South in Virginia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia, and North Carolina meeting people. Don’t believe me? I met The Parrott himself in Tennessee last year at the CofCC national conference. We also went out for drinks. Because, as I normal person, I like to go out and have fun. I went and met the Ku Klux Klan of Virginia. Yeah, that’s a true story. I just wanted to hear what they had to say. There is a podcast about that on my website. I burned a cross with the KKK to make a point. (3) In July 2010, I went to Columbia to attend a Confederate flag rally there - why? Because unlike these anonymous WN cowards on the internet, I actually stand up for what I believe in. This photo was taken a month later in July 2010: http://heritagelost.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/capitol.jpg ^^ You can clearly see in this photo where I had been weightlifting - that was approximately one year and two months ago. You see, there I am standing up for my beliefs. Where are the anonymous WN cowards? I didn’t see them there. (4) In December 2010, Rachel Maddow put me on national television while criticizing Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi! http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/12/24/national-television-debut/ (5) Now watch this video ... is a good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__jnNroR6i0 ^^ Do you see this Yankee here? This Yankee had come from Atlanta to Columbia to protest the South Carolinans there who were rallying for the Confederate Flag. (6) Do you see this photo? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AINdZO8I87M/TLkTaASargI/AAAAAAAABSw/1Z0Mut_ljmg/s1600/rally30.jpg Here are people in Columbia standing in front of the Confederate flag monument ... telling everyone in that city what they think about the Confederate flag and the Tea Party’s Don’t Tread on Me flag. Hell, I remember that episode, because I was there with them. Now, can you tell me where is Der Linder in Kirksville? What is Der Linder doing in Kirksville? Where is VNN Forum? Isn’t VNN Forum an activism forum? That’s what Der Linder has been saying. Funny how I never see any of these people (with exceptions like The Parrott, who is genuine) except for on the internet. No one has seen Der Linder since the time he came to Knoxville with Hal Turner and friends. 590
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 07:51 PM | # Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__jnNroR6i0 See, I was in South Carolina at this Confederate flag rally ... while Greg and Der Linder were spreading lies about me on the internet with a bunch of anonymous WN trolls. I drove from Charlottesville, Virginia to Columbia, South Carolina (quite a distance) to be there. Look, I confronted the anti-racist Yankee from Atlanta in the streets of Columbia, and proudly got my picture taken in front of the Confederate monument that is so controversial there, and waved the Confederate flag in the streets of Columbia on video: http://heritagelost.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/capitol.jpg Why? Because it is the honorable thing to do. I supported South Carolinians who were being harassed by the SPLC and the NAACP and the rest of these school marm clowns in the MSM from Yankeeland who keep telling us what we should do in their states. Fuck them. Oh, there were people from “American Third Position” there too. They were really just Southerners though who are pro-White - normal people, as you can see here. I met more of them in DC at the gun rallies in Alexandria and DC. Where was the clown movement? Where was Der Linder? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMH_lAtLGbs ^^ Here is the clown movement in Knoxville: these “National Socialists” like Cliff Herrington and Hal Turner and Der Linder had come to Knoxville to protest the Christian/Newsom murder. Notice the difference. 591
Posted by PF on September 18, 2011, 07:52 PM | # uh wrote:
What, that you had gold fillings in your teeth? that was openly disclosed in a comment by yourself here on MR as two other posters (jimmy marr among them) later attested. ‘Personal info’? And I personally wrote the email to GW asking him to remove the post about your teeth when you spat fire at him for supposedly disclosing your secret email correspondence. The funny thing is, he *had* shown me an excerpt of an email of yours asking for his guidance, but that wasnt where I got the teeth thing from, it was from a comment made publicly on this forum. I know none of the this matters, but lets at least be accurate hey? I know I’m a conceited blowhard, but you guys are actually genuinely stupid people - which is why paranoid Soren still thought after 2 years of solid WN-positive essays that I was a troll. You are just blind, LOLOLOLOLZ. What? Hide in the shadow of Nietzsche and sneak out occasionally to offer a nuanced critique? Billions will die. We will continue to assess the situation on online message boards. 592
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 08:03 PM | #
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Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 08:07 PM | #
lolzlzlzlzlzlz i dont want to inconvnience ROUNDER der fuehrer of hillbillystan the fed fuckin’s afeared of that fellough!!!! lozlzozlzlzolzolzozozlzlzlzllzzz lolzlzlzlzlzzlzlzlzlzzolzlzlz 594
Posted by PF on September 18, 2011, 08:31 PM | # hey what do you call a group of guys who spend their days refining a vast conceptual venn diagram containing the attributes of different ethnic groups with respect to their idees fixees? yankees are… southerners are.. white nationalists are… dagoes are… wait wait - paint that picture for me again, daddy! Are the amish girls bucktoothed? Do they accept Aryans? Are the French girls truly pro-french - or are Americans nigg**-lovers? Are white people finally waking up? Welcome to the powerlessness of group-level analysis. Where one speaks, there is a de facto intimacy vacuum, else one would understand the impotence of these terms. Any group you had actually lived among with any degree of connectedness, you would realize the impotence of summarizing their viewpoints in a line. Faggots. So Im a blowhard - but it blows hard here the same way it blew in 2006, and that is too soft for me. Go ahead - write another paragraph - another paragraph about how Group Y has finally attained/lost/realized/rejected/found attribute X. And we will end where we always end - with a discussion of Leon Haller’s bitches, or how pumped Hunter Wallace is, or how I shit my pants in a German train station, or how NeoNietzsche was superannuated by adipose and laid low by a lipid, and how his wife wrote an epitaph containing instructions on intimacy from a man whose brain baked in whore germs, unhappy third wheel on a russo-jewish love triangle ( I AM TALKING ABOUT FRIEDRICH NIETZSCHE). These petty personal hunchings and munchings are 1000x more real than the actual meat-and-potatoes content. Honestly, a pot-shot from you Dr. Leptini about your factually inaccurate remembrance of something I wrote long ago, is so much more real than another distillation of the Oracle of Nigger-Phi:
Or more precisely what do you call people who prefer to think in circles for years on years on years on end? Hahaha I call them AMISH. And now I will attempt to catalogue their VIRTUES. These are STRONG WARRIORS, like NeoNietzsche. And maybe, just maybe, they will live forever!! YESSSSSSSS 595
Posted by PF on September 18, 2011, 08:36 PM | # my drunken ranting aside( I am drunk and was ranting) I am actually emailing you uh- so check it out 596
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 09:01 PM | #
I’m offering you the title of Vice President in my organization - will you resign your position as the Doge of New York City to become Rounder’s Vice President? Fantasy ideology ... is serious business. 598
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 09:11 PM | #
This is where Constantin von Hoffmeister makes his grand entrance ... in the name of Eurosiberia. 599
Posted by Leon Haller on September 18, 2011, 09:25 PM | # And we will end where we always end - with a discussion of Leon Haller’s bitches, (PF) I actually try to keep on topic mostly, only delving into personal matters as might be relevant to a point I’m making (or if someone asks me something). I do prefer tailored discussions with some particular goal in mind. I’ve made many suggestions to the effect that threads should be somewhat more tightly moderated, and focused on reaching pragmatic consensus on how to move the cause forward. But my plaints are usually rebuffed, or more often ignored. 600
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 18, 2011, 09:56 PM | #
My objective is to practice non-violent witness of reality.
All right. That was a touchdown. In my defense, I will point out that I always true to tell the truth to the best of my ability, while having fun doing so. The truth is that Der Linder knows about 2 percent of the story of America’s racial decline. That’s why I can run circles around him.
I see Der Linder as a Yankee ideologue from Northern Missouri ... he’s an ideologue like Greg whose commitment to an abstract ideology is constantly throwing off his analysis. Reality doesn’t conform to WN ideology ... or to any ideology, especially liberalism. In Der Linder’s ideological world, Whites are victims, and Jews are oppressors - the Jews are behind everything, and if only Der Linder was the NS dictator of the White Nationalist movement, at the forefront of a national organization, and if he was on television like Rounder was in the 2010 election season, then everything would change in short order. Now, what’s wrong with this picture: pretend for a second that I am Glenn Beck with a chalkboard on FOX News. Der Linder’s chalkboard his “JEWS” with a massive circle around them. “JEWS” explains everything about why we find ourselves in this situation. He believes in the “Single Jewish Cause” - No Jews, Just Right. My chalkboard also has a smaller circle around “JEWS,” but it is part of a constellation of other circles, which includes “NAZIS” and “Africans” and “Yankees” and “business leaders” and “liberal ideology” and “secular intellectuals” and “FANTASY IDEOLOGY” and “TELEVISION” and so on. So the argument is not so much about whether Jews are a problem as it is to what degree are Jews a problem and whether or not Jews are the only problem we are facing. I believe there is a Jewish Question, but it is only intelligible in light of other powerful interests. Der Linder sees Jews as behaving like an absolute monarch or an absolute dictator. In reality, Jews are not quite that powerful. They just have more pull than they should have because Whites are so hopelessly disorganized.
That’s a touchdown with a two point conversion. The Jewish problem is important, but the clown movement takes it out of context. They muck up everything. In fact, their presence makes it harder to discuss the matter when fools like Linder are saying “LETS KILL EM ALL.” The clown movement does nothing more than make it easier to marginalize a pro-White perspective. They make it harder to discuss the Jewish Question by attaching it to silly theories. Even Greg has begun to realize this: what the Jews (or most of them at any rate) are doing is bad enough, and when I was running Antisemitica I could point out what they were doing on a daily basis just to prove my point, so there is no need to exaggerate the case against them or to call for totally unrealistic remedies.
It’s more annoyance than anything else - annoyance with Neo-Nazis like Der Linder who blame the Jews for everything, when smarter men like Anders Breivik pointed out how silly that was in countries like Ireland and Norway. I’m annoyed by the likes of Der Linder because he makes it difficult to discuss the issue. In contrast, I have never had a problem with Kevin MacDonald, who writes intelligently about that issue. Der Linder actually makes it harder for Kevin MacDonald to get his point across. You can’t compare a country like Norway or Ireland or New Zealand to the United States - the U.S., Britain, and France have massive numbers of Jews, and their influence is more deleterious here, whereas in many of these other countries, and Ireland especially comes to mind, you can see how the destructive effects of ideology are more than sufficient to cause Whites to commit racial suicide. How does one explain race suicide in Ireland? They have Miss Ireland boasting about dating a Nigerian. How did that happen?
WNs have identified a problem that most White people are unaware of and this is an advantage they have over conservatives. Unfortunately, what they lack is anything in the way of a solution to the problem. Der Linder doesn’t have a clue as to how to solve that problem. His whole website is based on hammering away at the issue which is the hardest issue for any ordinary White person to grasp. If there is something wrong with White people’s minds, we cannot change that. But it should be possible to build a movement against the Jewish domination of the West, and to create White television stations made by White people for White people. 1.) First, I think we change their minds. 2.) Second, I believe the Jewish problem will actually solve itself ... and this will come as a great surprise to WNs. 3.) Third, there is nothing stopping White entrepreneuers from launching a television station. If there were more practical people around and less secular intellectuals and ideologues like Der Linder, we could actually get things moving. Unfortunately, Der Linder’s behavior makes it harder, not easier, to discuss the Jewish Question with ordinary people. His strategy is literally to declare war on his own neighbors in Kirksville and to sound as deranged and scary as possible ... then he is going to discuss the Jews with them! First the United States, then Missouri, and finally Kirksville! 601
Posted by danielj on September 18, 2011, 09:56 PM | # PF, Is Uh really your new Daddy? Is GW not your legislator anymore? There is no Moses to find brother. I think you and me have the same problem. You have no Oedipal desire for patricide. Was your Father weak and effeminate? Did he let your Mother run the household? You need to find a substitute to slay… I’d watch my back if I were you Uh. Moses by Soulfly. 602
Posted by anon / uh on September 18, 2011, 10:35 PM | #
I am without fear.
lolzozlzozlzozozzzlzlzlzlz i’m out of the contest, jerry!!
Lemme consult wid my consigliore and da capos ova da bridge. We gotta have a sit-down foist to discuss this our new business prospect. I’ll fuckin’ get back to ya. In da meantime don’t do nothin’ stupid. 603
Posted by Adam Cruggledone on September 18, 2011, 11:26 PM | # Hunter Wallace: 1.) How, in your opinion, will the Jewish problem will actually solve itself? 2.) If the Republic of Dixie identifies as a nation, why did go nuts for Yankee nationalism after 9/11? Why did she support wars to avenge an attack on New York City? 604
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 19, 2011, 01:21 AM | #
The Jews have the misfortune of being tormented by God. The Lord has judged them and found them wanting on many occasions in Jewish history. I believe that God will judge his Chosen People. How many times has he done it now? Just when the Jews think they have finally outsmarted God, the Lord always mysteriously reappears and has The Last Word with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton It is a neverending cycle of hubris and nemesis: this is the tragic story of the Jewish people, a priestly people, who have forsaken God. Last time the Jews got all hoity toity, YHWH delivered a WWE Smackdown on them. Ever since the Holocaust, the Jews have convinced themselves that YHWH hasn’t been watching what they are up to on earth. He is still pissed off with them over the time he appeared among them and was crucified at Calvary. If Martin Luther who was here (the guy who created Germany, who once addressed this subject), he would explain all this to you: God is divine, but Tom Friedman and Roger Cohen are not divine. Unfortunately, we only have Der Linder of the clown movement here who is trying to imitate Adolf Hitler in Kirksville, MO in the year 2011.
Dixie always acts like that when the South feels like it is in the national driver’s seat. Do you remember the time Andrew Jackson got into a fight with John C. Calhoun? Thirty years later, the CSA was an independent nation. Now that Barack Hussein Obama is president, and Yankeeland is back in the driver’s seat, we’re all for “states’ rights” here again, and we think the Libya war is a waste of our money, and we want to cripple Washington with the Tea Party. The Solid South is back now. Alabama and Georgia and South Carolina are practicing nullification. Where was the Tea Party in 2004? It didn’t exist! In 2008, one of the funniest moments that have happened in my political lifetime happened in Chicago: Barack Hussein Obama was elected president and suddenly the SWPLs were for America. After Dubya had been sent back to Texas, all of Yankeeland rejoiced that, finally .... finally, a black man from Chicago was in the White House, and Obama the intellectual was going to “organize our community,” and we would finally enter the post-racial utopia that the divine MLK told all of Yankeeland about back in 1963. Of course, Yankee ideology had an unanticipated side effect in the South: the thought of this nigger in the White House, the bastard son of a Kenyan communist and a White woman from Kansas, who was elected in the name of Big Government, and who was going to redistribute our wealth, and who was probably a Muslim and who wasn’t even like a real American ... that had the effect of knocking the South out of its nationalist phase. What happened to the patriotards? A decade ago, Der Linder was ranting and raving about patriotards. Yet the patriotards suddenly got quiet when Obama was elected. Now the patriotards were the Tea Party and were for destroying Washington and were for state and local government again. Where did this Tea Party come from anyway? This shit will go on until the South realizes that Washington and New York City have finally succeeded in destroying the economy - when that happens, the Union goes up in smoke again. 605
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 19, 2011, 01:47 AM | # Luther on the Jews: On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543 by Martin Luther (1483-1546) http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm
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Posted by anon11111 on September 19, 2011, 06:26 AM | #
That was just a bogus criticism Matt made to draw attention away from the more serious criticisms (phishing, etc.) against Hunter Wallace that were surfacing at that time. In a similar vein, note how Hunter Wallace is making a total ass of himself here in order to take attention off the criticisms of Parrott and others that are surfacing in this thread. He did the same in the “Elitism, Secrecy, and Deception” thread, where Parrott was also taking some heat. He succeeded in both cases, might I add. If you think it’s farfetched to propose that these guys think and operate in the manner I just described, please spend 10 minutes or so perusing the leaked forum posts from “Feyd” (Hunter Wallace) archived here. “Subtle and indirect”, indeed. It should be obvious by now to anyone paying attention what sort of game Wallace and Parrott are playing. 607
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 19, 2011, 06:53 AM | # Drat! Hunter and I would have got away with it if it weren’t for you meddling conspiracists! Anon has peeled the last and final onion layer of our vast conspiracy. ... ... ... ...or has he? 608
Posted by Dasein on September 19, 2011, 08:01 AM | #
<img src=“http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/09/picture_8.jpg”/> I’m not sure what MR’s policy on hotlinking is, or if it has one. I normally only hotlink from sites that specialise in hosting images (like photobucket). 609
Posted by Republicrat on September 19, 2011, 09:13 AM | #
I’m not saying the claims are accurate, but conceptually, misappropriating money is far more serious of a crime than hacking personal email accounts. But hey… keep beating that dead horse! 610
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 19, 2011, 10:25 AM | #
I hear Matt is in the process of gradually poisoning his wife and children, but I think its an exaggeration. 611
Posted by J. M. on September 19, 2011, 11:37 AM | #
Personal email accounts may well contain sensitive, private and confidential information. Imagine if someone like Daryl Basarab, the eternally grudge-nursing, emotionally dysfunctional twit, went rifling through your email account, looking for dirt. Imagine if your email password were changed, or your personal identity and employment information were made available to the general public including hostile elements. It happened to many with the full knowledge and approval of Hunter Wallace (a.k.a. Feyd Harkonnen). Hunter Wallace repeatedly disparages other venues as a “clown forums”, but Hunter Wallace and his perfidious associates including malware distributor Daryl Basarab are the only forum administrators that I know of who have conspired to indiscriminately phish their forum’s registrants’ passwords. Now we hear that Hunter Wallace has reopened his forum, right in the midst of his latest mental meltdown, and what do you know, at that forum we see Daryl Basarab (a.k.a. Metal Gear) predictably grinding his axe. Hilarious! It’s pretty obvious that these two guys are never going to change. Care to sign up, ladies and gentlemen? Do you deem it worth the risk? Think on it. I say, the more clown they, for registering at Hunter Wallace’s forum. Verily, theirs are the real “clown forums”; only a clown would knowingly join them.
I am afraid that wherever password phisher Hunter Wallace shows up pretending that he has a trace of honor, there, for the sake of unknowing potential victims, the horse will have to be beat. 612
Posted by FB on September 19, 2011, 12:19 PM | # Hunter, you’re confusing Linder with facts. But facts are stubborn things even when they don’t fit the Single Cause bullshit. By the way, nowhere does MacDonald uniquely blame the Jews for 1965. Linder is lying. Business elites continue to be a driving force behind mass immigration everywhere. That, however, doesn’t fit with Linder other’s mania: worshipping free markets. 613
Posted by Lew on September 19, 2011, 12:28 PM | # @Chechar Great summary of the Alex Linder content. He has an immense talent for clarifying fundamental issues. I will never look at what AL calls the implicit conservatives the same way ever again. By coincidence, I went to TOO immediately after reading your Linder material and found an article on the front page by James Edwards. His article discusses the NPI conference and includes pictures of himself, Spencer and Taylor at the National Press Club. But no KMD. The Richard Spencer / John Gardner-led NPI organized a conference featuring philo-Semites and Jews, but no KMD to bring in some balance. One does not have accept ALs entire package to be troubled by this. To clarify, I am not attacking anyone, insinuating anything, demanding ideological purity, or writing off the value of anyone’s work. It’s a descriptive statement. NPI invited Jews and philo-Semites but no KMD. It is what it is. Alex Linder is right. No principles or the wrong principles. 614
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 19, 2011, 04:01 PM | # http://reasonradionetwork.com/20110909/the-stark-truth-matt-parrott-on-politics-and-strategy I’ve only listened to the first few minutes of this podcast. The first question that pops into my mind is why Matt is talking as if the Elitism, Secrecy and Deception thread had been posted VNN rather than Majorityrights? 618
Posted by Greg on September 19, 2011, 08:54 PM | # Looks like we got us some KFC - Kentucky Fried Cracker 620
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 01:40 AM | #
We don’t need your cute little study when we have the real world. Start with it and work backward. I know you can. Who are the #1 political winners of this day and age? The jews. Who are the most paranoid, obnoxious and disagreeable people on earth, hands down? The jews. But I’m sure we’ll lay them low with our big grins, friendly handshakes and genial online logrolling. In light of jews’ success, we can conclude that paranoia, obnoxiousness and disagreeability in no way impede political success and may well be essential to it. My view is that all serious politicians must either be paranoid or synthesize the ability to think like one. Paranoia is nothing more than highly tuned, or overtuned, enemy recognition. The problem whites have as a race is they AREN’T naturally paranoid. They are not naturally xenophobic by comparison with all other racial groups. They can’t even get a feel for their enemies after it is pointed out exactly what their enemies are doing. Whereas jews seem to have feelers, so in-the-blood is their hateful suspicion of all others. In real politics, paranoia, real or acquired, is essential to success. Stalin was paranoid. Jews are a paranoid race. As I’ve said many times, shrewd people see 90% of what’s there. Paranoids see 110%. The non-paranoids in a movement can use the paranoids to pick up that last little bit they don’t catch themselves. Nice, agreeable people lose to unnice, nasty, paranoid people pretty much every time in real politics, as opposed to voting politics. Again, jews are the most paranoid, disagreeable people on earth. YET…they are capable of extremely high-level social intercourse among themselves. That was how Ben Stein described Norman Lear’s production company - very high level of social interaction. WN must develop such. Apparently it can go hand in hand with paranoia and suspiciousness and disagreeability - the jews have proved this. It’s that dual code thing. Anyway, the proof is in the politics, not the back-scratching. We haven’t seen any actual political progress on any front, in Americ. The Charles Martel Society has been undermined before it even started by the inclusion of both jews and jew-apologists. It’s not about agreeability or disagreeability, it’s about organization based around principles. The principle MOST are operating by today, on the WN scene, is that being friendly and supportive of basically anyone who appears is more important than sticking to a principle such as No Jews. Just Right. The ones who think this way are wrong. They make no progress, they merely ensure that jews are perfectly positioned to divert the movement should WN ever ‘blow up,’ as the niggers say. I can’t avoid the conclusion that most WN simly don’t believe their own bullshit, when it comes to jews. How easily they’re I don’t want to say bought off but sidetracked by a little money or such paltry social prestige as a ‘society’ like Charles Martel can shed.
That’s your opinion, and it’s wrong. What is often said of me is accurately said of Jared “Polished Turd” Taylor: if he didn’t exist, the ADL/SPLC would have to invent him. A weenis of a man, not made for this world’s pain. Equipped with manners and crime stats, a slim gilt boy set out to save his people. Hat in hand, apology in voice, he would jimmy-stewart the formerly great white race over the finish line to a cringing crimpstaat where white rabbits could remonstrate and niggle all day long. What a beautiful vision. Every possible inducement is giving to awakening whites to divert them down proven failure channels of coopted conservatism. And that is what I fight against. 621
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 02:01 AM | #
Thanks, Haller. In a disposable-lighter way I try to keep the flame of the greats alive, and those greats are Rabelais, Twain, Bierce, Schopenhauer, Mencken, Dahl, Saki, Wodehouse and O’Rourke (still alive technically but not artistically). You Europeans will notice how many of the greater greats are Americans. I don’t think anyone has ever formally noticed how influenced by Schopenhauer Mencken actually was. 622
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 02:23 AM | # A point made by someone I detested, but I think he’s right. He said: the WN movement is almost always driven by its internal emotional needs, rather than by the objective demands of the situation. You don’t like me or what I say when I attack Jared Taylor. Because you like him personally. But objectively, allowing jews and apologists into our movement will render it stillborn. How do I know it’s objective? Because the exact same thing just happened to professional conservatism in the 1960-1990 frame. Today professional conservatism celebrates commie rapist MLK as a hero. In 1960, professional conservatism wrote about him publicly in nationally distributed publications pretty much the way we racialists do today. You let someone like Jared Taylor into the White movement, you are guaranteeing that in twenty years, so-called White Nationalists will be saying the same things about MLK that Newt Gingrich and Glenn Beck say today. The odd irony is that you who respect Taylor actually have less respect for him than I do. The reason for that is that you don’t understand him or the danger he presents and represents. 623
Posted by Bob Yancey on September 20, 2011, 03:27 AM | # Linder is right about conservatives, of course. So thought Dabney any way:
Naturally, the “Northern conservatism” of his day is the American conservatism of our day, most popular in the South of all places. Linder is wrong about how to use this knowledge. No, you don’t send your leaders out onto the street corner to scream epithets. You wait for the right opportunity, which is probably where Fade is coming from - short of his dishonest rhetoric. Linder obviously sees racial realism only in the South, which is what he’s trying hard to provoke. 624
Posted by Adam Cruggledone on September 20, 2011, 03:30 AM | #
Alex, none of these people would find you tolerable in the least. You think P.J. O’Rourke, who was married to Lena Horne’s granddaughter, would want to have lunch with you? If so, you need to take your prozium. And Wodehouse’s character, Roderick Spoke, pales in extremity compared to your antics,.
‘ Alex, Jared Taylor has been doing his thing for over 20 years—and nobody’s burning incense for MLK. It didn’t happen. 625
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 03:30 AM | #
You pop it in the oven at 350 and take it out in hour and a half. Easy as friggin’ pie. I love AIPs who think you can cogitate up answers a priori to questions mostly dependent on shifting circumstances. I feel more like Mr. Hand every day. Are you people on drugs? Have I not on this very thread given the basic strategy, or at least link to it? It’s not hard to do theoretically, it’s easy. It’s hard to practically because the men to do it aren’t there. How to get them? That’s the question. It has to start with military vets at this point. And a nucleus that can data-protect itself to a level equal to the FBIADL. On the soft side, white curriculum, white ‘hilfe’ stuff like Parrott talks about. I could repeat what I’ve said hundreds of times, but you’re not really listening anyway, or you’d know my basic strategy.
An academic understanding of jews and a political movement to oppose them have nothing to do with each other. Anyone new to the idea that jews are a collective bad rather than than good can verify the claim in no more than a night or two of reading. Knowing more than that about jews is nice but not necessary - from the strategic political standpoint. It is the work of the enemy to make it seem as though our cause is more complex than White-good / jew-bad. It’s not. And advanced academic degrees are no proof against political unwisdom. Look how unthinkingly MacDonald participates in and validates by his presence the Charles Martel Society, which admits both jews and jew-apologists. MacDonald by his actions confuses followers about whether jews are the problem or part of the solution. He confuses us with them in the eyes of onlookers, thereby vitiating a racial cause. “Each man kills the thing he loves,” wrote Wilde. This world is set up so that it is as easy to produce the opposite of our intention as what we intended. Extremely careful attention must be paid. Leon, I don’t think you’re capable of grasping certain things. It’s imagination and emotion that move the world, not footnotes and studies. You think that an academic has more credibility than an effective wit. It is not so. It is the opposite. Sometimes the two are united in one man, as in Goebbels; more frequently they are separated. Hitler achieved his deeper-than-MacDonald understanding of judaism not in college libraries but on the streets of Vienna. The way to a man’s heart is through his marrow, not his mind.
it would be boring as all fuck and mere repetition of what 100 more academically inclined writers have said before. Don’t you see, Haller? You’d have me throw away my real skills to become a third-rate repeater - repeater of a message better men have already laid before us a dozen times. ‘Sober, factual and free of invective’ are the opposite of what produces political change. You really are almost a caricature of the bourgeois mind. I ALMOST would suspect you of satire but not quite. Leon - have you never read George Lincoln Rockwell? He has your type nailed. Go read on him on his political progress through conservatism. Absolutely nails what’s going on. He skewers your POV and the type that holds it. Again, it’s the MacDonald mindset to. That we are going to outrespectable the yid-led left to victory. Outmanners them. Outnice them. This view is not merely crazy it is probably unique in world history that an oppressed minority that accurately perceived its opponent as mendacious-aggressive nevertheless believed it could triumph over that vile criminal set with nothing more than facts and reason. As Rockwell said, the delusion that the masses can be moved by facts and reason is the eternal stumbling block of the right. You, in telling me to become a shitty academic, would have me throw away precisely what it is that I have that potentially could cause the jews serious problems - invective, verhetzing as the call it in deutsch. I know how to get in people’s marrow, and that’s knowledge you can’t learn in any school. Go back to school? Other than weedeat mosquito-filled swales, there is nothing I would less rather do than go back to where the snakey-snidelys snit and snoot at the non-semitophilic.
It does not seem so to me. I think progress has been made in the last decade. More men understand the jewish root of our problem; more sites expound on it. I’m happy to continue widening the circle. In the real world, yes, we need more activity - but only if the thinking and planning are there so that the effects of the activism are cumulative. I’ll be posting more on this in the future. 626
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 03:43 AM | #
Of course it hasn’t happened - yet. It’s a long play by the jews. They have pre-infiltrated WN so that IF WN takes off (and jews know it well could, because they know what they are doing to our race, and how a section of that race must inevitably respond), THEN they have long in place extremely skillful, appealing men to mislead the angry mobs, and channel their anger in a non-jew-hostile direction. This is the purpose Jared Taylor exists to serve. William F. Buckley served it before him, and Taylor has said he wants to be the WFB of white nationalism. It’s not what WN is today that worries the jew—all the reports put out seemingly monthly are pure bullshit—it’s what it could be if it ever takes off. That’s the possibility they intend to pre-control by placing compliant men inside the movement. Charles Martel Society, with its many PhDs and very intelligent minds, is the natural place to infiltrate. By choosing the correct principles, and sticking to them, WN can prevent its being coopted by jews. The right principle for Whites to adopt re jews is absolute exclusion indicated by “No Jews. Just Right.” 627
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 03:50 AM | # White nationalism must be jealous and exclusive, not tolerant and inclusive. If you don’t grasp this most basic fact, your mind is still trapped in the democratic-electoral box. If your fundamental approch is appealing to people in order to win elections, and this consideration dominates everything you think we should do and say, then are you conceding that if a majority votes for policies that will result in genocide for white race you’ll submit to it? Blunterly, is our race’s existence a voting matter? Or is it deeper than that? 628
Posted by A. Linder on September 20, 2011, 03:59 AM | #
Funny for a number of reasons. 1) such a womanly way of thinking: ooh, mrs dallypimple wont have snickers with me at forenoon. Honest to god, get off the net and go buy maxipads, girlie. I care about effects and how they’re produced, not whether these people would go to McDonald’s with me. 2) how the hell do YOU possibly know how dead people in different nations would react? what’d you convene a quickie seance and poll them? i love how people just grant themselves all-knowledge of things no one could know. 3) geez, budger, i recall partying with PJO back in da day. ran all over town trying to find copies of “Holidays from Hell,” I think it was. for his book party we held at TAS offices. Remember drinking, and shaking his hand, and telling him I loved his stuff and wanted him to write a long great piece about Germany. He’s a short little guy with a dominant nose, and his eyes told me he thought… That’s all you get, because you’re a bitch. In short, I win, you lose. Now get outta here. 629
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 06:45 AM | #
Leon, I would recommend This Time the World and this speech from the 60’s as good introductions to Rockwell. He was a man of enormous talent and courage. 630
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 06:48 AM | #
I wonder what % J Richards sees. 631
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 07:01 AM | #
JR, When I say that I’m agnostic, it means I don’t know how the towers came down. I consider it within the realm of possibility that the structural damage + fires could have caused the collapse. Are you willing to say that you are 100% certain that it was impossible? It seems obvious to me that if they would design buildings to withstand the impact of a passenger jet and applied fire protection to the columns that these posed serious threats to the building. Even if we were to agree that the buildings were designed to withstand what happened to them on 9/11 (e.g. speed of crash, fires [however big or small], size of the load), it’s no guarantee that the engineers got it right. captcha: building 51 632
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 07:19 AM | #
I don’t see how it’s impossible. There were connections between different parts of the building. It’s not clear that the top part should have just toppled over, leaving the bottom half of the tower (is that what you mean?).
Then why did they bother applying fire protection if the heat sink effect makes it unnecessary? And how do you know the steel would only bend? They were not just single beams going all the way up. There were many smaller beams joined together. Do you think it’s possible that it could snap where they were joined?
The plane hit at a different level and ange. The damage to the 2 buildings was not identical. You might think you can deduce how the buildings would react. That’s fine. Personally, I think the domain is complicated enough that the musings of lay people are not very meaningful. When some not insignificant number of structural engineers start saying that it was impossible, then I will scratch natural collapse off the list of possible mechanisms. Until then, I consider it one option. 633
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 07:28 AM | # The problem I see with using CD or some other science-based argument to claim that 9/11 had to be an ‘inside job’ (whether Mossad or US-based) is that the other side can always get experts who will present counterevidence. The average person cannot understand all the arguments. You might say “it’s so obvious”, but you can’t expect that to persuade everyone. Especially when some of the people pushing these alternative theories are not considered experts and have a history of supporting or pushing bogus claims. The first colonists who witnessed a fatal allergic reaction to peanuts might also have claimed it’s “physically impossible”. Appealing to personal incredulity is insufficient. 634
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 07:33 AM | # For example, can the people here honestly evaluate the counterevidence presented here regarding nanothermite and conclude that Jones is 100% correct about the composition of his red chips? http://oystein-debate.blogspot.com/2011/03/steven-jones-proves-primer-paint-not.html http://oystein-debate.blogspot.com/2010/09/discussion-of-harrit-edal-paper.html http://climateguy.blogspot.com/2010/11/peer-review-of-harrit-et-al-on-911-cant.html http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/2011/01/911-truth-and-nanothermite-i-tried.html I don’t feel qualified to do so. And to be honest, I don’t want to waste my time looking at all the evidence for and against, which I think people should do if they want to reach an informed opinion. 635
Posted by Dasein on September 20, 2011, 08:06 AM | # Here is what I personally find to be the most intriguing theory behind the collapse of the twin towers: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/the-ammonium-perchlorate-theory-t87.html 636
Posted by Lew on September 20, 2011, 08:21 AM | # I don’t think Professor MacDonald has ever addressed the issue of integrating his work with practical outreach, messaging and activist efforts. Although he is on the board of the A3P, the A3P steers clear of the issue of Jewish influence. Which is to say the A3P steers clear of one of the main reasons Whites need a party in the first place. Huh?? Integrating scholarly work and activism is not his speciality, to be sure, but no one at A3P is even making an attempt. I have been on the A3P mailing list for a long time. Their newsletters are crisply written, informative and touch on every issue of importance to Whites except Jewish influence. The CMS, A3P, NPI and rest are already self-censoring on the JQ before WNism is in any danger of taking off. If grappling with the JQ is not part of their fundamental principles now, in the embryonic stage, it does not seem likely the JQ is something they will ever deal with forthrightly. I mean what are they going to do? Spend years and years building up organization and infrastructure, pulling in time, money and energy from Whites around the country who want something done and perceive the A3P to be representing their interests, and then turn around and address Jews after WNism blows up? If A3P is not addressing Jews now, why would they do so later? It does seem reasonable to speculate that addressing Jews is not part of their plan at all, despite KMDs participation. I really wish Professor MacDonald would make a statement explaining why he appears to de facto support self-censoring his own work. 637
Posted by MOB on September 20, 2011, 09:16 AM | # You’ve written a very succinct statement of the WN status quo. It is a culminating conclusion of the issue that was really being confronted with the Elitism, Secrecy, and Deception thread. As I wrote to a friend yesterday, he should begin with the Elitism thread and then go to the 9/11 thread, because they’re related in that order. I also warned him that he’d have to wade through loads of irrelevant personal argumentation involving HW, GJ, and AL. This also goes back to what I said about my negative experience on KM’s list, where my frustrations and animosities turned out to be a conflict between my goals and the goals of the list powers that be. I thought we would be a working group. The powers that be saw us as providers of grist for our superiors’ mill. Whatever actual teamwork was to be carried out, it would be done behind the closed doors of CMS, never to be seen by outsiders. Alex Linder and I have determined that we were defining the word “secret” differently. For me, it simply meant hidden, unable to be seen, interacted with, or benefited from. Bright lights hidden under a bushel, specifically on grounds of superiority. There is a disconnect between the superb writings and current interpretations of Kevin MacDonald, the person WNs like me consider their most important representative, and the now very visible outcome of the collaborations of WN groups that completely bypass his findings. You expressed it perfectly. Sign of the times: a revisionist who expressed biographically disinterest in the race issue in favor of the Holocaust is now talking about race and immigration (and raising White children, though never having had any). There has never been a time that I’m aware of, when Jews weren’t able to slide off of one sinking ship right onto the deck of a ship going in the opposite direction; if history repeats, eventually they will replace the captain and his officers now at the helm. 638
Posted by Leon Haller on September 20, 2011, 09:27 AM | # I don’t suppose it occurs to people here that maybe the Taylorites et al really are simply more racialist than anti-Semitic? I know I am. I’m aware of the JQ, but I simply do not perceive the Jews as I do the nonwhite races, in no small part because the Jews (due to small numbers) are only powerful through hoodwinking whites, whereas the nonwhites are numerous and therefore powerful in themselves. Taylor et al seem to be implicitly following my own strategy of gradual radicalization. To repeat from above: The one advantage of strong, centralized organization is that troublemakers, lunatics and ‘dissentionists’ can be made to clean up their acts, or else held at bay. American WN needs just such a strong, confident movement of concerned citizens. But the movement itself needs to be sufficiently moderate in ideology so as not to scare off potential recruits and sympathizers. Defensive racialism (recall my suggested mantra: STOP Violence Against Whites, repeated endlessly, as well as the older, secondary mantra: Anti-Racist = Anti-White), focused on explaining and ending immigration as well as affirmative action, and getting the govt to adopt a hardline on crime, is the key for this moment in time. Focus on gradual radicalization. People are sheep, and want visible successes before they sign up. As the movement is seen by more and more people to be serious, and if it starts achieving things, it will grow. As it grows, we can ‘up’ our demands without thereby losing membership. WN fools will see I am right. Why do so few of you study the Civil Rights Movement’s history, and learn from its methods? If CRM had started out demanding affirmative action and the right to fornicate with white girls, they would have gone nowhere. Instead, they made appeals to the Majority’s sense of Christian justice, stated that all they sought was the removal of state prejudicial legislation (“Jim Crow”) - and then, once gullible Christian whitey gave in, immediately went on to greater demands (and once they got those have gone still further). Why are Jews and Blacks cannier than WNs? Why is it illegitimate to suppose that the JQ can be dealt with indirectly, as opposed to a full frontal assault? In this model we build up white consciousness by focusing on that which is most visible and threatening: black crime, and nonwhite immigration. We simply tell the facts, and agitate for legislative remedies. As we build up awareness on these issues, we are effectively also increasing a more diffuse sense of whiteness, a sense of solidarity that can be engendered without even mentioning WN ideology. This is the groundwork laying period before the next leap forward, which will involve raising awareness of racial biology, and the need for white living space. In democracies, this type of agenda is invariably gradualist (again, study the history of the civil rights movement). By the time whites are talking about lebensraum to prevent racial extinction, the JQ will have taken care of itself. The Jews will know their antics will not be tolerated henceforth. And indeed, maybe the Jews will come to see that they should cast their lots with whites, instead of nonwhites (many Jews I know have already moved in that direction). Heretical as this will sound to Linder, I’m not convinced that Jews can’t be brought to a new, more constructive relationship with Aryans. After all, more and more of them are coming to realize that we can survive sans them, but they cannot survive without us. I see possibilities of tactical, eugenic alliances against the dysgenic mud armies of the future. 639
Posted by Leon Haller on September 20, 2011, 09:34 AM | # Leon, I would recommend This Time the World and this speech from the 60’s as good introductions to Rockwell. He was a man of enormous talent and courage. (DASEIN) Thank you. I actually have his book White Power. Unfortunately, it’s buried in my garage at home, and I’ve never read it. BTW, I like your calm, sober, empirical approach to these issues. If you’re not German, you should have been. 640
Posted by Leon Haller on September 20, 2011, 10:16 AM | # This is the problem (disgusting but funny): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXLTb5hqrg4&feature=related
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Posted by anon / uh on September 20, 2011, 10:22 AM | #
You can hear a few of those black mamas’ hearts break when he names Kobe Bryant! “Showed yo’ mufuggin ayiss some sh*t!” 642
Posted by Lew on September 20, 2011, 10:39 AM | # Leon: We will have agree to disagree. Let me take the highly charged JQ out the equation to try and clarify what I see as the fatal flaw of the Taylor / CMS / A3P / NPI approach. There is no difference in principle to me between Jewish influence and immigration. They are both major problems that White people face. So just substitute immigration for the JQ, and look at what they’re doing. By accepting and / or working with Jews, Taylor is doing the equivalent IMO of working with the US Chamber of Commerce as part of his approach to stopping immigration. By not addressing the JQ in a direct but reasonable way, the A3P is doing the equivalent of ignoring immigration. Those hypothetical look obviously defective to me. Others obviously see it differently. 643
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 20, 2011, 02:06 PM | #
Last summer, Greg was mad about getting fired from TOQ and spread around a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors and lies about me. There was also the matter of my unforgivable crime of having the audacity to criticize “White Nationalist intellectuals” like the divine Greg and the divine O’Meara. Of course Greg has been on the warpath against TOQ ever since then for personal and financial reasons. If I never existed, Greg would have still gotten fired, and it would have played out in exactly the same way. I had nothing to do with the matter. In any case, I was so disgusted by the lies and the smears about me last summer that I resigned from TOQ, quit CMS, moved back to Alabama, and quit the White Nationalist movement for good. I wasted ten years of my life, thousands of dollars, and even went out and put my own ass on the line to be smeared, harassed, and stalked by liars, trolls, and fools in cyberspace. Whenever anyone asks me about that subject, I advise them to stay involved in the conservative movement and focus their attention on their own states and communities. Instead of hanging out with HAC and Linder, their time would be much better spent trying to push conservatism in a more racial direction. 644
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 20, 2011, 02:20 PM | #
I see the troll JM has returned. (1) The troll JM and friends have been cyberstalking Kane for 5 years now - this is illegal under American law. (2) The only email accounts that were hacked were the ones that were hacked by one of their own members (i.e., someone who is known as Ixabert) without our knowledge. We banned that guy. He went back to posting at The Phora.
Yes, just imagine how terrible that would be. (1) Well, if my memory is correct, it was The Phora that started that story arc when it got into the business of cyberstalking. (2) The Phora began to out the real world identities of its members, published their private information on Linder’s forum, including photographs, and began stalking people at their workplace and harassing them to get them fired from their jobs. Don’t ask me why. They started doing that shit after I left there. (3) This led to a personal feud with Kane/Iceman. It has nothing to do with anyone else on the internet. Their cyberstalking has been going on for years now.
That’s an accurate description of what they are: clown forums that exist for no legitimate purpose but to break federal and state law by harassing and stalking people through the internet for the fun of doing so. The internet has hundreds of these troll forums. The most well known troll forum is called “4chan” but there are other groups of people out there like “Anonymous” that harass people and break various laws in doing so.
Why did Kane “phish” your passwords? Oh wait ... are you telling me it is because you outed him, stalked him across the internet, and started harassing him in real life? Could that be the reason?
Here we go again with outing personal identities of private individuals. A bunch of criminals engaged in cyberstalking.
I have a discussion forum on my website, yes. I use it like my blog to discuss public policy issues. Sorry, but I don’t run a clown forum like TBB, which exists for the sole purpose of stalking and harassing people. That’s illegal in the United States. But hey… keep beating that dead horse!
This is a libel. It was Kane that “phished” your passwords ... and he did it to retaliate against you for stalking him and harassing him, as you are doing here, by publishing his real world identity. No wonder he is pissed off with you and retaliates against you. Didn’t GW already tell you to take that shit elsewhere? 645
Posted by campbell on September 20, 2011, 05:26 PM | # In America you’re ‘‘liberal’’ if you want Negroes to gangbang your daughter, and you’re ‘‘conservative’’ if you want one Negro to marry her and start behaving himself. 646
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 20, 2011, 05:34 PM | # Lew:
I haven’t had time to listen to this podcast, but I consider the mere fact of its creation as speaking volumes: http://www.prothink.org/2011/09/20/prothink-radio-delaneycorsican-interview-dr-kevin-macdonald/ I met Delaney earlier this month at the NSM protest in Milwaukee. He has images of that event side by side with this podcast at Prothink.org. In my opinion, Dr. MacDonald did not accept this interview without knowing what the implications would be. I see this is an indication that Alex’s work is paying off. 647
Posted by Wandrin on September 20, 2011, 05:43 PM | # There are two functionally separate processes. 1) Break down the dominant culture. It seems to me most of the strategy arguments on this thread relate to not seeing things as two processes. There are 101 ways of helping to achieve the first. The dominant culture rests on a number of foundations and attacking any one of them helps destroy the whole. For example, on its own attacking the current banking system doesn’t directly help with stage 2 at all but it does indirectly by weakening the resistance to and preparing the ground for stage 2. The same is true of attacking “BRA” or the blank slate idealogy or the genocide implied in the internal logic of the multicult. I think external factors will force stage 2 to take a certain shape but getting to that point doesn’t require that final shape. It will be forced on us by events. In short. Attack to the left. Ignore attacks from the right. 649
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 20, 2011, 05:48 PM | # Campbell - quite, which is why I have no time for American conservatives. Sadly (cough, cough) there are not many blacks in Aberdeen - but human perversity will always find an outlet sadly. 650
Posted by Wandrin on September 20, 2011, 06:50 PM | # Another refrain on the two processes: 1) Break down the dominant culture. If they don’t consciously think in terms of these two separate processes i think groups like the BNP and A3P can get themselves into a dead end. If you see yourselves as tilting at stage 2 in the context of the current conditions then you’re massively constrained by what you can do and say and the current conditions gradually mold you to suit the current conditions in pursuit of false progress. However if the conscious aim is to forget about stage 2 for the time being and simply aim at changing the conditions by relentlessly attacking the idealogical foundations of the current ruling class then you don’t get into that dead end. Plus any progress you do make as a side effect of this will be based on a solid foundation. In short, politics as cultural warfare until you’ve created the right conditions for politics as politics. 651
Posted by Ugh on September 20, 2011, 07:00 PM | #
Leon, The people who obsess about the JQ (e.g. Linder) don’t actually care about whites, if given the option between securing a white nation and implementing the final solution they would pick the latter without hesitation. The game that these people play is to co-opt those with healthy nationalist instincts into fighting a quasi-mystical war against a nebulous cabal of Jews, the ultra-simplistic conspiratorial narrative that they cultivate is crafted to resonate with certain simple-minded types who need to have all their problems reduced to an easily identifiable group of “bad guys” (e.g. Jimmy Marr). Nothing is as it seems in the clown movement. 652
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 20, 2011, 07:17 PM | # Ugh I agree - Mr. Linder is obviously bright but seemingly has the political nous of an amoeba and the emotional subtly and register of an angry teenager. He is most happy screaming ‘nigger’ in the street and that isn’t a political strategy; it’s buffoonery. If he didn’t exist the SPLC, ADL, et al., would have to invent him. Cultural politics and the facilitation of a genuine ‘crisis of legitimacy’ for the hyper-liberalism, which is now foundational to the West, is a rather more complex task than naming ‘the Jew’. Indeed if tactically it is unwise to enter such territory in public I doubt Mr. Linder could or would accept or acknowledge that reality. 653
Posted by anymouse on September 20, 2011, 08:12 PM | #
Our probability of success is extremely small. I would not gamble my children’s lives on Linder’s model - an anti-localist national approach, continued system dependency, and name the jew. His life is ruined. My children’ lives are not. He may call me a coward on the Internet, but I can guaranfuckingtee you he would not do it to my face. “Hunter Wallace” may be a dishonorable little puke, but Linder is no better. 654
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 20, 2011, 08:57 PM | # As these last few days have demonstrated Mr. Linder, Mr. Wallace and assorted others are either deeply unserious monomaniac fanatics, in that the concept of ‘the Jews’ seemingly provides a framework for a deep irrationality (and not a sober and hard headed analysis - yes they play a large role in the modern world but are not the all-powerful ‘masters of the universe’); or alternatively we have had many displays of outrageous ‘Drama Queens’ bitching and attention seeking for no substantive purpose. Some recent ‘contributors’ also, remarkably, seem to combine both traits. 655
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 20, 2011, 09:13 PM | #
Here’s this tired coward’s canard about having the courage and clarity to avoid making a stand for your people. “I would fight for my people, but I love my children too much to expose them to the mythical threat to them that I’m imagining out of thin air.” Then, lo and behold, this anonymous fellow is actually an anonymous badass, one who would theoretically deliver an imaginary beatdown if he hadn’t designed his relationship with his hypothetical victim in a manner which precludes said event…
Oh snap! *snaps fingers and swivels neck like black girl* If you’re a big tough guy, then that makes it all the more amusing that gimps and geeks are struggling and taking risks on your behalf while you’re sniveling behind some computer screen about how you’re going to beat us up for hurting your feelings in Internet debates. 656
Posted by Lew on September 20, 2011, 09:23 PM | # @Jimmy Marr I listened to a good bit of it. There is certainly a lot to chew on there apart from this digression into strategy. Can I ask what you feel is relevant about that interview? The only portion of KMDs A3P discussion that was a big disappointment to me was this: he mentioned an internal debate about whether the A3P should be an explicitly or implicitly White vehicle. If this is true and there is actually disagreement within the A3P on this basic question, it does not seem likely the national A3P plans to do what I have been hoping for—making confrontation Jews in a rational, founded and reasonable way using KMDs own research and findings part of their activism. 657
Posted by J Richards on September 20, 2011, 10:36 PM | # @Parrott According to you, GW’s a scumbag because he approved a post that featured unsubstantiated lies [regarding Chechar] and included “unprovoked and indefensible attacks on our best comrades.” I hope I don’t have to repeat this again: GW neither approved nor disapproved it before it was posted. The question remains why he didn’t edit the “unsubstantiated, unprovoked and indefensible claims.” It’s not his job to do so as he’s provided a forum for others to discuss the matter and provide the rebuttal. If everything in every post must necessarily match his views 100%, then what’s the point of having a discussion? Is this website about GW’s views and nothing else? Are the claims unprovoked, indefensible or unsubstantiated? I provided justification for my assertions in the post itself and allowed comments on it, indicating willingness to substantiate further, which I have in the comments. You pretend to not note this. Now, my justification or substantiation may be flawed, but it’s there, and this being a discussion website, you’re obligated to reveal the flaws if you object, but you’re the one with the unsubstantiated claim that there are no substantiated claims against Chechar et. al. in my post, and so by your own logic, you’re the scumbag. Even your trusted and productive comrade Chechar hasn’t bothered to explain the heebie jeebies, let alone you. He popped up again to link to his post comprising of select Linder’s comments above, omitting the serious criticism of Linder and not telling his readers which post at MR the comments are taken from. BTW, it’s most interesting to learn that you take accuracy very seriously. Since you’re prevented from making amends on one count because of the closing of the comments, perhaps you may be interested in redeeming yourself by correcting your piece on cranks and credibility now that it’s proven beyond any doubt that Obama’s long-form birth certificate is a forgery. I know you won’t though, and this is what the general public regards as the hallmark of a scumbag. 658
Posted by J Richards on September 20, 2011, 10:44 PM | # @anon11111 Thanks for the link on Wallace indulging in similar behavior as Karkonen. The more evidence like this the better. It’s far from farfetched that Wallace and Parrott’s M.O. is as you’ve stated: bogus or lame criticism to deflect attention from the serious ones. Guess who posted on his own website, and later defended, Parrott’s pathetic hit piece on Holy Hoax denial as strategic buffonery? Why, Wallace of course. So Parrott pops up here and watches out for his buddy, who’s busy deflecting attention from 9/11. In a previous thread, when people were questioning whether Wallace was having a mental episode, I said no, it’s controlled opposition at play. When there’s a serious discussion, half a dozen of them show up, derailing the discussion. Notice that Wallace calls Jews did 9/11 a crackpot idea and Parrott describes it as a retarded conspiracy theory. Neither bothers citing any evidence of 19 Arabs doing it, and they don’t refute anything regarding Jews doing 9/11. You may also be interested in the following on Linder. Martin Lindstedt, in Linder-esque speak, talks about the “gut-sick Guido-kikenweasel with jew ass-cancer Lindermiller/Linderstein/Linderwitz & Itz Lies” [consider the facts, ignore the compliments]: intro to VNNF: http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=171716&postcount=1 Theatrics of Linder’s arrest: http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showpost.php?p=172065&postcount=8 Linder giving Feds I.P. addresses: http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?t=494 Linder’s association with or promotion of known or, for good reasons, strongly suspected federal informants/ADL- or SPLC-plants (Frazier Glenn Miller, Hal Turner, Bill White, Evren Hun Welshons-Kaplan (Quest), Craig Cobb): http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?t=525 VNNF under Linder: http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=26 659
Posted by J Richards on September 20, 2011, 10:51 PM | # @Linder You’re the one lying about the two lies about you that I’ve allegedly made. You’ve accused me of saying that “I [Linder] / VNN didn’t blame Mossad for ‘9/11.’” I clearly wrote, “Note no serious attempt at arguing that Jews did 9/11.” A big difference. In a comment I documented how it’s not serious. I also asked you to imagine how I’d treat the topic of Jews did 9/11 if I were a kikenverminologist that administered VNN. You didn’t answer. So let me put it this way. There’d be Hanukkah at VNN. In comparison, you guys have responded as if you’ve just come from the funeral of a loved one. The second lie’s allegedly about the medicine use. You do accept that it’s satirical in form. But it’s not satirical in intent? The only intent that could be inferred from its reading is that something’s wrong, and it can’t be read in retrospect, but must be read in the context where it appears. There’s no lie there, and this’ll be clearer when I address your response on Breivik and the Norway incident. Even some VNN members were flabbergasted by your response to the Norway incident. So “something’s wrong” is a valid inference. It’s also a lie that I’ve called everyone a Jew or controlled opposition. Read the post and note instances where I reserved judgment or called the person a useful idiot. Anyone who knows enough about Jews knows that if there’s one thing that puts the fear of God into Jews, it’s white nationalists or national socialists. Naturally, the WNsphere, whether online or an actual organization, is swarming with crypto-Jews or controlled opposition. This is beyond debate. The treatment of 9/11 ten years later is a dead giveway. The debatable issue’s who are the people belonging to these categories. On the topic of citing known liar Hufschmid, you’ve yet to point out which of his lies I’ve cited. 660
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 20, 2011, 10:56 PM | #
Yes, Lew, I’m pleased you have asked. I’ll listen to the podcast at my first opportunity and let you know what I think. My initial concerning the posting of the interview are as follows: As managing director of Pacifica Forum, I invited Dr. MacDonald to speak at University of Oregon two or three years ago. At that time, Pacifica Forum had already achieved some notoriety for speaking out against Jewish subversion of White nations, and but was still fairly mainstream. Dr. MacDonald politely declined. A year later, Pacifica Forum became more notorious for its sympathies with National Socialist Movement. This clearly reduced the probability of a visit from Dr. MacDonald, and I didn’t bother to invite him again. I had clear indications from him that National Socialist Movement was not his preferred vehicle for the advancement of his message. Yet today, when I am barely back from NSM’s protest against Negro violence in Milwaukee, I see that one of my fellow protestors at the National Socialist rally has been granted an interview with Dr. MacDonald. Am I supposed to believe…. A) I used the wrong deodorant? B) ProThink.org is a more prestigious podium than the University of Oregon? C) The times, they are a changin’? 661
Posted by anon / uh on September 20, 2011, 10:59 PM | #
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Posted by Desmond Jones on September 20, 2011, 11:04 PM | #
My Daddy always told me it was better to be a chicken than a turkey. 663
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 20, 2011, 11:22 PM | # Wandrin:
Because I live in a small university town; The most liberal town in my state; I’ve had some experience at doing this. Frankly, its very easy. It’s like an enlarged version of an NSM street demonstration, of which I also have experience. But I think Alex’s strategy is directed more at middle America, where there actually IS a conservative sentiment of sorts. I can’t speak from experience in this area. I’m still trying to find a local “Right” to attack. If it’s here, it’s keeping a very low profile. Nevertheless, I’m looking. The point I seem to be noticing is that, when it comes to strategy, environment is everything. I’m 100% behind Alex Linder’s strategy when it comes to internal White Nationalist politics because it takes place within the context of the ideological Right. But wait a minute… That’s what I’ve also found to be most effective about attacking the Left… No Right. Just Jews. 664
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 20, 2011, 11:33 PM | #
I’m sure there’s some New Age philosophy that exposes the fallacy of aiming at the Bullseye, and if I was sporting a crystalline moniker like “Ugh”, I’d probably be mired in it. But, that is not my ainm. 665
Posted by Derek on September 20, 2011, 11:41 PM | # Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) just got repealed. Clinton tried to force open homosexuals into the military against the wishes of the brass. Recruiters used to actively weed homosexuals out, actively asking personal questions. DADT was spun as a compromise. Now liberals have got exactly what they initially wanted. DADT is a textbook example of how “conservatives” routinely, seemingly inexorably, lose by halves. 666
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 21, 2011, 12:01 AM | # Who are these conservatives? That’s the William F. Buckley version of conservatism. It is Yale conservatism. For some strange reason, William F. Buckley and National Review are identified with conservatism in America. What’s conservatism? It is what National Review and The Weekly Standard are saying at any given moment. This is “conservatism” as an ideology like liberalism. This is like the Jimmy Swaggart or Ted Haggard version of Christianity. Here in the South, we have always practiced a different version of conservatism. The first anti-miscegenation laws were passed in Colonial Virginia and Colonial Maryland in the 1660s. Those anti-miscegenation laws were enforced here until the 1860s and 1870s - when the Reconstruction controlled state governments repealed some of them - and then until 1967 when every anti-miscegenation law in Dixie was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in Loving vs. Virginia. So, there were anti-miscegenation laws here in the American South for three hundred years, which were only nullified by the Supreme Court in the 1960s. For centuries, Dixie was a “White man’s country.” That’s our tradition. Who cares what they are saying National Review? No one really cares what Rich Lowry or K-Lo is saying these days. The Northeastern establishment doesn’t represent the vast majority of conservatives in America. Insofar as “conservatism” is a problem in America, it is because spiritual progressives and spiritual liberals and spiritual communists are traveling under false colors to promote themselves for career purposes. They have also invaded the seminaries. Just read Martin Luther’s On the Jews and Their Lies. The church fathers condemned the Jews on so many occasions that we only have surviving fragments of the record from Antiquity and the Middle Ages. KMac dedicated a section of one of his books to hostility to Jews in the Late Roman Empire. “White Nationalism” has the same problem with trolls and hijackers like Der Linder who desperately try to link the indigenous American racial tradition to European fascism. 667
Posted by Lew on September 21, 2011, 12:31 AM | #
At some point, in order to undermine the dominant culture, I don’t see how you get around going after Jews. Explicitly. If you don’t undermine Jews, you never reach stage 2. Most of those dissident groups are hacking away at branches while leaving the roots intact. Or, you might say they persist in cutting off hydra heads and then maintaining the attack even though two more heads grow back each time. How much damage are they really inflicting? It’s painful, for example, to read comments on sites like zerohedge and see so many White people outraged over fiat money, the Fed, bankers and global finance in general, but then not connecting any of that with Jews, the disproportionate number of Jews on Wall Street, Jews in the European Central Bank, and influential Jews like Bernanke and Greenspan. But how can they make the connection? No credible organization exists dedicated to attacking Jews in a responsible way, and no one appears to be in any danger of starting one, including every WNist org to the left of the NSM and Alex Linder. And many more people on the White right than I realized appear to be just fine with this. For men like Jared Taylor who have arrived at the conclusion that Jews play no important role in maintaining the culture they seek to overthrow, the absence of an organization attacking Jews does not matter. Taylor sees working with Jews rather than attacking Jews as the way to go. For the people who do regard Jewish influence as a problem—not the ONLY problem but a very important problem —I am genuinely surprised that the absence of an organization is not regarded as a bigger problem. Everyone here knows the history and how Jews operate. 668
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 21, 2011, 12:38 AM | #
Sigmund Freud on the Irish. 669
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 21, 2011, 12:49 AM | # Lest this thread end at comment 666 (by Sam Dickson’s close personal confidante and two-time CMS member “Hunter Wallace,” no less!), I have to toss in a few points. To LEW: 1. Do you know that Gardner is involved with NPI? If so, it would be a terrible mistake on their part. 2. Do you know that MacDonald was snubbed by NPI? The fact that he is editor of TOO and published Edwards on the NPI conference argues that something else was up. To Alex Linder: 1. CMS does not contain Jews. Or at least it did not when I left. Back then, Jews were explicitly excluded. But an organization that could admit Hunter Wallace twice could admit anyone now. 2. My main problem with you is that you make shit up. You pass off hypotheses and likely stories as truth, e.g., your claims about the motives of people you do not like, i.e., that certain people are sellouts for money and social status, that Jared Taylor is running a false opposition for the Jews. And when I claim that no, that is not what Taylor is up to, you falsely claim that I am motivated by personal considerations rather than impersonal principles. For you, “impersonal principle” seems to mean, in part, making judgments about persons without any actual knowledge of them, which just boils down to you brazenly passing off speculation as facts up and waving away inconvenient criticism as sloppy and unprincipled. Being a stickler for such details is not mere academic pedantry. At present, our movement is confined to the internet and our only real strength is our credibility, which we have to preserve carefully, especially since we are already so heavily handicapped by trolls, whether calculating or merely psychotic, and webmasters who give them free reign. 670
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 21, 2011, 01:05 AM | # Greg, You’re a smart guy and I really appreciate all you do for our cause, but I think you’d do best by swallowing your pride and getting behind Alex. 671
Posted by Lew on September 21, 2011, 01:15 AM | # Greg, Gardner’s name is right here, listed as an NPI director. I assumed it’s the same Garnder you have talked about? You would know better than me. If I was mistaken and it’s not the same person, then I take it back. http://www.thenationalpolicyinstitute.org/about-npi/ CHAIRMAN Louis R. Andrews DIRECTORS
My intent was to express my personal subjective opinion that a disappointing decision was made not to arrange for KMDs participation. For all I know, KMD might have decided to not participate himself. I don’t really care. The takeaway for me is that for whatever reason, the powers that be in these orgs decided not to include someone who a history of reasonable criticism of Jews at a conference on American nationalism. 672
Posted by Desmond Jones on September 21, 2011, 03:08 AM | #
Yes, but the question that remains is how? If the Jewish strategy is examined, it shows that although Jews always took the lead, they never acted alone. They always engaged in tactical alliances with minorities and other political groups that held grievances against the dominant group. Currently, what groups hold grievances against Jewish power? Muslims, and Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam are two that come to mind. Why not try alliances with Farrakhan, Ahmadinajad and the Palestinians? “if we cannot get along in peace after giving America 400 years of our service and sweat and labor, then, of course, separation would be the solution to our race problem.” 673
Posted by Ferris on September 21, 2011, 05:47 AM | #
This is Alex Linder’s grand plan for action, beyond talking to himself and his handful of supporters on the internet. This says it all, really. Good luck, Alex! 674
Posted by Leon Haller on September 21, 2011, 06:47 AM | # Yes, but the question that remains is how? If the Jewish strategy is examined, it shows that although Jews always took the lead, they never acted alone. They always engaged in tactical alliances with minorities and other political groups that held grievances against the dominant group. Currently, what groups hold grievances against Jewish power? Muslims, and Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam are two that come to mind. Why not try alliances with Farrakhan, Ahmadinajad and the Palestinians?
First, to save our Euro brethren we need to exacerbate conflict with Muslims. For example, right now the Jews, from NYT liberals to Weekly Standard / WSJ neocons, are up in arms over Turkey’s increasing Islamicization. Great! Then we (ie, rightists with power) should be using this opportunity to harass Turkey with escalating human rights ‘concerns’ and demands (which would also play well domestically with Greek and Armenian - and more generally, Balkan-derived - Americans), the ultimate purpose of which is twofold: to keep the Turks the hell out of the EU (with the open borders immigration that would imply), and, eventually, to boot them out of NATO. That would be a huge reversal in the ongoing NWO campaign to Eurabianize Europe. Second, to safeguard our people in America, we similarly have to protect them from their own stupidity. For one thing, we have our own Muslim immigration problem, which is a long term threat both in itself, as well as in Islam’s potential capacity to organize and martialize a large segment (undoubtedly the most genetically vicious one) of the native negroid population. For another, the Jews have tremendous support among (hugely white and Middle-American) Christian evangelicals. Publicly challenging Jewry will only divide American conservative elements ... at the very time when we need to rally them around stopping immigration - the greatest long-term danger, and the one problem we can never undo. First things first, please. There will be time to confront Jewry once the racial hemorrhaging has been terminated - and it will be far easier to do then as well. Sorry to all and sundry to seem pompous, but understanding this is called ‘wisdom’ - the possession of which marks the real dividing line among white preservationists. 675
Posted by Leon Haller on September 21, 2011, 06:52 AM | # Why is it illegitimate to suppose that the JQ can be dealt with indirectly, as opposed to a full frontal assault? Leon, The people who obsess about the JQ (e.g. Linder) don’t actually care about whites, if given the option between securing a white nation and implementing the final solution they would pick the latter without hesitation. The game that these people play is to co-opt those with healthy nationalist instincts into fighting a quasi-mystical war against a nebulous cabal of Jews, the ultra-simplistic conspiratorial narrative that they cultivate is crafted to resonate with certain simple-minded types who need to have all their problems reduced to an easily identifiable group of “bad guys” (e.g. Jimmy Marr). Nothing is as it seems in the clown movement. (UGH) Yes, as I said recently to Linder, we must never allow personal animosities to cloud our strategic realism. Jared Taylor seems very serious about trying to awaken whites, and that is why I have always preferred his approach to others in the pro-white movement. 676
Posted by Ferris on September 21, 2011, 07:08 AM | # To Alex Linder: I think you’re a complete ass in many ways, but I’m a huge fan of E Michael Jones and “Culture Wars” magazine, and I only came to know about them via you and VNN. So I do thank you for that, and give you credit for recognising EMJ’s value and talent even though I realise you are totally opposed to his world-view. So I am much obliged to you for that and your intellectual honesty on this point (i.e. recognising the merits of EMJ even tho you are his enemy, at the end of the day). Honesty and bravery are very rare in this day and age, and you do have these qualities at least!! 677
Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 07:43 AM | # Jimmy Marr
Agreed. One of the problems with this kind of discussion from my point of view is i think the best strategy may vary from place to place. What’s best in Holland is not neccessarily what’s best in Alabama. 678
Posted by MOB on September 21, 2011, 07:45 AM | # EMJ is a brilliant writer. The only flaw that I saw in him, back when I used to read his excellent essays, was, unfortunately, a flaw that pretty well vitiated everything that he wrote so brilliantly about Jews, the frequent subject of those essays. It stemmed from his deep-rooted Catholicism, which apparently teaches that Jews can and should be converted to Catholicism. In this, he resembles both Buchanan and Sobran. My memory is dated, so the tenor of his writings may have changed in the meantime. 679
Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 07:57 AM | # Lew
I agree. My point was simply that not all organisations need to, e.g and one providing the common link between all of them. (In fact the same person can do all of them while wearing different hats.) I see it a bit like see four. Two inert substances which when combined become xplo-siv. However as you say there has to be an organisation that provides the critical link, ideally two imo, one academic and KMac style and one more rabble rousing. The reason for doing it that way is simply because it makes it easier to swallow (imo). 680
Posted by J Richards on September 21, 2011, 08:53 AM | # More on Linder Here’s Jett Rink and Mike Jahn on Linder. They had a special show on Linder and the VNN scam (their terms): http://www.jettandjahn.com/2009/11/jett-and-jahn-special/ And here’s their take on Linder at knoxville: http://www.jettandjahn.com/2009/12/jungle-creatures/ Jett and Jahn believe in using wit and humor, which is fine with Linder, except that Linder’s on the receiving end: http://www.jettandjahn.com/tag/vnn/ http://www.jettandjahn.com/tag/linder/ This is more evidence that my views aren’t so odd and that many others have noticed the same things and come to similar conclusions. 681
Posted by J Richards on September 21, 2011, 08:58 AM | # @Desmond Jones
Notice Haller’s response to this: exacerbate conflict with Muslims now and ignore the Jews——to prevent antagonizing the Christians who support them——till the racial hemorrhaging has been terminated! Haller leaves this comment in a discussion about Jews doing 9/11, the evidence for which he doesn’t dispute. So the Jews use 9/11 to invade Afghanistan and get back control of the poppy fields. Then they kill American soldiers guarding the poppy fields, every now and then, to claim an insurgency problem and maintain American and other Western military presence there. They also use 9/11 to invade Iraq. They keep killing American soldiers and blowing up Iraqis, claiming an insurgents problem that requires continued Western military presence. They’ve caused the deaths of over a million Iraqis and Afghans, and especially targeted the intelligent and educated classes. They’re baying for more blood. And Haller tells us we need to exacerbate conflict with Muslims! Take home message: don’t talk about strategy or you provide a reason for the likes of Haller to spew inanity. Spread 9/11 truth and people from different races and those subscribing to different political beliefs will naturally unite against Jews, unconditionally. 682
Posted by MOB on September 21, 2011, 09:37 AM | # Jimmy Marr said:
I’ve just listened to this; if you have, too, you may have been a little disappointed. The first 2/3 of the program reiterated the theme of “white interests” as a legitimate cause and highlighted the work of the A3P. Approximately 2/3 of the way in, the subject of the Third Reich as a Western Movement entered into the discussion, and although I had already been aware of MacDonald’s distancing orientation, it seemed to me that here he went further than distancing and expressed a position of rejection. When I hear or read statements about swastikas and costumes, I smell a red herring, since there is so very much about the whole Third Reich period that is of legitimate White importance. I was interested in the way that the host broached the Third Reich subject, in terms of honesty and deception. 683
Posted by Nick Dean on September 21, 2011, 10:49 AM | # Dasein … “collapse … collapse … collapse … collapse” Alex Linder … “BTW, it is obvious the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions, but what’s interesting and I can’t explain is why they appeared to explode up top. I’ve seen nothing conclusive on that point, but to me it’s obvious these were not just the usual demolitions but had some extra technical cherry on top.” I found this quite striking. Dasein, a scientist? if not then certainly scientifically-literate and -minded, versus Alex Linder, highly verbal, information media nerd. Yet it’s Dasein who shows the influence of the hypnotic power of media repetition (what collapse? I doubt anyone would use the word had it not been drilled into us by the MSM), while Linder is able to view the evidence objectively and describe it accurately (not a collapse, clearly, but not a conventional controlled demolition by implosion either). I’m sure I’m being unfair to both Dasein and Alex Linder in my characterisations, but their contrasting reading of the footage, considering their general background and approach to issues, surprised me. Dasein’s example might suggest how easy it would be even for experts to overlook obvious clues that challenge the conventional narrative. 684
Posted by Lew on September 21, 2011, 11:04 AM | # You know, upon reflection, this thread is shaping up to be a bit more useful and illustrative than the joke I originally thought it was. In many ways, it’s an interesting display of clashing points of view about some of the most explosive issues in the WNsphere: 9/11, treatment of JQ, the strategic approaches of various parties and their pros and cons, all mixed with the standard personal attacks, speculation about motives, snark, accusations of trolling and bad faith, and friendly off topic banter. Is it possible to untangle who is acting in bad faith here and who isn’t? Who is pushing disinformation or a private agenda? Who is acting in GOOD faith but unknowingly wrong on the facts or using flawed logic? Who is here to fuck around rather than contribute substance and make a good faith effort to advance the discussion since this conversation is still going anyway? One way to do it might be just to assume for a minute that everyone is acting in good faith. With a temporary assumption of good faith, it would naturally follow that we treat each other in a friendly, collegial manner, as colleagues engaging in mutual friendly criticism rather than people out to destroy each other or write off the other guy’s position simply because we disagree with it or it seems demonstrably wrong on its face. Granted this is WNism, so even suggesting this approach is probably an exercise in utter futility. No sector of the interwebs combines intelligence, unseriousness, and the highly deranged in quite the same way. On the other hand, if everyone does it, it just might be possible to unmask who is here to troll, derail, make inflammatory statements, spread inaccurate information on purpose, try to make WNists look foolish, and generally contribute no substance versus who is just making old fashioned flawed arguments based on poor logic or evidence. I will start: ========== @J Richards Regarding your last comment, it appears to me you have combined undisputed facts with with unsupported assertions. Influential Jews did use 9/11 to steer the USA into wars against their enemies. True. Jews also did this to secure heroin poppy fields, and they are killing American troops to create the appearance of an ongoing insurgency. What is your evidence for that part of your comment? 685
Posted by Nick Dean on September 21, 2011, 11:08 AM | # Alex Linder … “extra technical cherry on top” A million tons of steel and concrete were turned into aerosol in a matter of seconds but by sheer luck we have footage of several of the massive steel core columns from the north tower simply dissolving into dust without any synchronised incendiary or explosive (or downward pressure) events. So maybe the explosions were just the cherry, and something else the primary destroyer of the buildings? The towers were built inside an enormous concrete reverse bathtub - designed to keep the water out - that extends the range of usable land beside the Hudson river. If the towers had fallen straight down (into the bathtub) as in a regular controlled demolition, it would have shattered the bathtub, flooding all of lower Manhattan, the PATH tunnels and the subway system. But turning the buildings into dust from the top down and simultaneously blasting the dust upwards and outwards ensured that far less of the mass of the building crashed down to the bathtub. Where normal controlled demolition of the towers would have produced a fifteen storey debris pile, the ‘Ground Zero’ pile barely reached ground level. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgfwzA1ECc 686
Posted by Nick Dean on September 21, 2011, 11:17 AM | # MOB, how about Jones’s conflating ethnicity and religion: Black and White Protestants forming one ‘ethnicity’ according to him. It’s a dishonest attempt to subvert and control language so that others might discard what Jones thinks unimportant and vaunt what Jones values. It’s also damn offensive. 687
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 21, 2011, 11:47 AM | # Lew, Thanks. I did not know that Gardner had been added to the NPI Board. 688
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 21, 2011, 01:17 PM | #
As someone who considers Jewish influence an important problem, but not the only problem, and as someone who believes the matter should be dealt with in a reasonable and responsible way - the problem is that the clown movement (which has always overlapped with WN) is constantly sabotaging every attempt to discuss the issue in public with their theatrics. Why do people steer clear of the Jewish Question? I’m talking about people who know that issue inside and out like virtually everyone involved with TOQ. I know all about the Jews. There are tons of people in the conservative movement who know all about the Jews. It is because of the clown movement. Just look at the discussions we are having here at Majority Rights: Jews Did 9/11, Jews Did The Civil War, Jews Did Norway, etc. Look no further than the comment section at The Occidental Observer. Now, even if you believe that Jews had foreknowledge of 9/11 (future historians will one day resolve that question), what about all this other nonsense that J Richards is stirring up here? It almost seems calculated to make discussion of the Jewish Question look kooky or insane. Do you remember my blog Antisemitica? http://antisemitica.wordpress.com/ Just to make a point, I could find something bad that Jews were up to on an everyday basis just by reading their own websites. What that segment of the Jewish community does on an everyday basis is damaging enough to them. It would be sufficient for Gentiles to draw attention to what they are doing on a daily basis and to start criticizing them for it in a reasonable manner. Instead, we have the clown movement coming up with all these absurd conspiracy theories, and accusing people of being “controlled opposition” and “Jewish agents” and “secret Jews” and “Cass Sunstein operatives.” Probably out of sheer annoyance more than anything else I stopped talking about the issue. I used to talk about it all the time (see my debates with Guy White), but I rarely discuss it anymore. Just because there is a perception out there that it is kooky to obsess over the issue. My attitude toward the Jewish Question is probably representative of people who know all about the issue, but who have quit discussing it, or who avoid discussing the issue altogether. It is fundamentally an attitude which has been shaped by interaction with the clown movement which is a bigger obstacle to discussion of the Jewish Question than the Mainstream Media. Don’t believe me? Every other issue has gained mainstream traction ... the racial double standard, criticism of multiculturalism, black-on-white crime, opposition to immigration, HBD discussion of differences in intelligence, attacks on free trade, attacks on globalization, assertion of a pro-White identity, BRA, etc. “White Nationalism Lite” is penetrating the mainstream. It is becoming the common sense of the American Right. I’ve been watching the evolution of sites like Free Republic for 10 years now and can verify this. Jared Taylorism and Sam Francisism is triumphing now. The Jewish Question though ... that remains stuck in the mud. It is stuck in the mud primarily because of the presence of the clown movement who alienate and annoy people who agree it is a serious issue. Kevin MacDonald is one of the few people who is capable of discussing the Jewish Question purely as an academic in a measured and responsible way. For every Kevin MacDonald, there are thousands of Der Linders and J Richards out there, whose rhetorical radicalism undermines and sabotages MacDonald on an everyday basis. How many times have I heard it now: you know, Kevin MacDonald has a point, but his followers are nuts, so lets not go there. The Jewish Question will go nowhere (unlike immigration, unlike black-on-white crime, unlike reassertion of White identity) until that perception begins to change. 689
Posted by Dasein on September 21, 2011, 01:20 PM | #
I don’t see why you’d find it surprising. If Alex is, as you say, a “highly verbal, information media nerd”, then he will be more likely to notice terms that the media is feeding us. But I don’t accept that ‘collapse’ is a propaganda term being pushed by the MSM to hoodwink the public. The lead structural engineer uses ‘collapse’ to refer to the destruction of the towers. Experts also describe controlled demolitions as causing ‘collapse’. “BTW, it is obvious the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions, but what’s interesting and I can’t explain is why they appeared to explode up top. I’ve seen nothing conclusive on that point, but to me it’s obvious these were not just the usual demolitions but had some extra technical cherry on top. [my bolding]” This quote gets to the crux of my disagreement with Alex. What’s obvious to him is not necessarily obvious to everyone else. And people who consider elementary science fair projects, like JR’s heated spoon, Richard Gage’s falling cardboard boxes, or some YouTube guy’s paper trays, as proof of anything are kidding themselves about the complexity of this type of event. That is my opinion on the matter. I don’t expect (or desire) to convince you, Richards, or Linder. If people want to believe it was a CD, that’s their business. My impression, after reading through lots of the arguments, is that neither side(s) will ever convince the other. There’s not (good) enough evidence. For me, the strongest piece of evidence favouring planned destruction of the towers is a priori, not empirical. If they knew the attacks were going to take place, it would make sense that they would seek to create a TV moment (though you could also argue that they wouldn’t take a chance on messing it up by adding in additional points of failure/detection). Greening’s alternative hypothesis is intriguing. BTW, I noticed that you have commented at Kevin Barrett’s blog (e.g.). I think it’s good that you’re trying to introduce WN ideas to 9/11 Truthers. You should get him in touch with some WNs for interviewing. Maybe Alex would be interested? 690
Posted by MOB on September 21, 2011, 01:45 PM | #
The first mention of the overlapping boards was, I think, here: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/it_is_happening_again/#c112695 As a matter of course, I almost always check the About Us pages of websites, regardless of the particular content—often corporate websites. Especially after listening to the prothink KM interview, I tend to think that, despite his many writings on the subject of Jewish power and influence, if that problem is ever going to be addressed in a determined, factual manner, with concrete goals and objectives in mind, by an organized group of people, that group of people will have to be led by and composed of different faces than the ones we’ve grown used to seeing. I’m much less optimistic that this might happen today than I was a decade ago. I don’t know where all the “clowns,” “kooks,” “swastikas,” etc. are. Obviously I don’t hang out at the kind of places some people do. Why not avoid them? 691
Posted by Dasein on September 21, 2011, 02:21 PM | # I’m only an occasional reader of sites like Alternative Right, but one thing I have noticed is that Paul Gottfried (jew) seems to have disappeared. 692
Posted by Dasein on September 21, 2011, 02:49 PM | # Leon, Thanks for the kind words above (and in previous threads). Hmm, I would actually consider my approach more typically British than German. I could be wrong in my generalisation (which some might consider unflattering) and, of course, wrong about my self-assessment, but I would say that Germans are less happy being agnostic on issues, less conciliatory, and more stubborn about changing their minds when presented with evidence that challenges a held theory/belief. In any case, I’m only part German (mostly Scottish [Scots-Irish] and some Dutch). 693
Posted by Dasein on September 21, 2011, 02:57 PM | #
Jimmy, Whatever happened with that cafe where the people (staff? customers?) were harrassing you? If you go back, make sure to have this playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNhyVuU-x1U&feature=related http://www.leoslyrics.com/gigi-die-braunen-stadtmusikanten/kaffeebraun-lyrics/ 694
Posted by Lew on September 21, 2011, 03:18 PM | # @Hunter Wallace Good points all around Re: the JQ. As someone who has read your stuff off and on for a while (but not antisemitica), I know you operate with a level of depth and sophistication around these issues that I can’t match, and also have very substantial direct experience “inside” the WNist movement which allows for even more insight beyond anything I can bring to the table. Some quick responses speaking as a person with a much smaller knowledge base: I agree that Jews are not the only problem and agree that many seem absolutely incapable of discussing Jews in a rational and intelligent way. These people discredit everyone who wants to approach the issue rationally. Nevertheless, we now finally have a body of knowledge at our disposal (from KMD) that COULD form the basis for well reasoned, founded, accurate and responsible criticism of Jews, but the various credible nationalist orgs in the US don’t seem to want to run with it. This is where I as an “outsider” struggle and scratch my head. We now have an alternative to the “clown treatment of the JQ” but by all appearances many of the smartest and most informed people seem determined not to use it aggressively. Meanwhile, the president of the United States is on the world stage as we speak using America’s UN veto power to push Israel’s interests. Perhaps it is simply impossible to discuss the JQ in the current climate. Although I am not convinced this is true, I see it as a very reasonable position. Reasonable people can and will disagree. Sometimes circumstances have to change for something to become possible. It was likely much easier to challenge the Church in 1850 than in 1750 because of intervening events. If the target audience doesn’t even understand that race is real or that Whites have distinct interests, they’re not going to understand the JQ. But, on the other hand, they will NEVER understand it if the process of education NEVER begins. This is my main point. As for J Richards, my immediate thought was “troll spreading disinformation and working to make nationalists look as foolish and idiotic as possible.” I have disputed his interpretation of Fed history twice on MR. But I later promised to assume some good faith, so I am. J Richards made some claims up above about Jews and the heroin fields in Afghanistan. He has been challenged to present evidence to back it up. The way I look at it, he either will or he won’t, and that will be the end of it. 695
Posted by Dasein on September 21, 2011, 03:23 PM | # One group I haven’t seen mentioned is the HL Mencken club (seems like Gottfried is heavily involved here). http://www.hlmenckenclub.org/HL_Mencken_Club/2011_Conference.html 696
Posted by Desmond Jones on September 21, 2011, 03:48 PM | #
OK, JR, but unite in what way? Jews made common cause with unions and associated union busters with racism and influenced labor leadership to turn from an anti-immigration stance to an anti-nativist stance. From this union of Jews, labor and other minorities, they were able to present a legitimate position supported by a cross-section of society, challenge legislation and seek the protection of the state from the bedrock of classical liberalism, discrimination. How does 9/11 truth become legitimate enough to replicate such a strategy? http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/llt/47/03lamber.html 9/11 truth is presumably organized labor. Jews are the union busters pushing you around. What then is the third rail in the triad? 698
Posted by Ambitious Outsider on September 21, 2011, 04:19 PM | # Isn’t obvious that attacking Zionism allows for criticism of Jewry behind a veneer of respectability? It wrong foots people that would want to make the obvious anti-semitic charge, plus normal people are not put off by the raving neo-Nazi/fascist/nutter vibe that people like Linder so obviously enjoy wallowing in. Think about it! Fight smarter not dumber. 699
Posted by Dasein on September 21, 2011, 04:47 PM | #
I’m also curious as to why you think it will work now, when it didn’t work 5 years ago. The polling data I’ve seen (and I could be wrong or misremembering- please correct me if you know something different) says that 9/11 skepticism was highest in 2006/2007, when nearly everyone except southerners and neocons hated Bush. Much of it was a reaction against Bush. Why do you think 9/11 Truth will catch on now? 700
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 21, 2011, 04:55 PM | # I went back and reviewed some early posts. It seems to me that the punch-pullers are those who think we can vote our way out of this mess. Respectable conservatives are not supposed to hate the government. I last voted for a President in ‘68- Candidate Nixon, if memory serves. Been waiting for STHF ever since. I takes lots of anti-oxidants as I want to see what happens. 701
Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 05:33 PM | #
The other factor now is the chickens are all starting to come home to roost. The great grand-children of the people who caused the Weimar collapse in the 1920s and escaped to Wall Street and the City of London have nepotized their way to the top of the banking and business elites. They achieved dominance around 1980 imo and after 30 years of looting history is repeating itself with Weimar II. Another point is things are more global this time. When Jews betrayed Spain to the Moors or Byzantium to the Turks the whole world wasn’t watching. This time everyone who knows this stuff, including the Chinese and Indian elites who have been the biggest beneficiaries of the Jewish betrayal of America, know what’s happened and know the Jews can’t be trusted and also know that Jewish power is largely an extension of the American power which the Jews have trashed because of their uncontrollable hate-paranoia. Because of these two things it seems to me that the JQ is highly likely to go mainstream and possibly global in the next 2-3 years. Generally speaking i think the rabble-rousing version of addressing the JQ (as opposed to the KMac way) is counter-productive *except* in the right conditions and i don’t think the conditions have been right in most times/places since WWII but i think we’re rapidly moving in that direction now so it’s becoming less of an issue. We’re not there yet though so the majority of effort (imo) still needs to be directed to creating the right conditions which basically boils down to destroying people’s faith in the current ruling class’ idealogy / religion in any way possible. 702
Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 06:08 PM | #
You can use electoral politics purely as a vehicle for cultural warfare. For example you could have a political party whose platform was solely that the Bolshevik holocaust should be equally commemorated and taught equally in schools and holocult museums should have 50% of their floor space dedicated to the holodomor. Admittedly once involved in electoral politics it’s easy to get sucked into the game of it so perhaps a single issue partywould protect against that. The main thing about elections is they’re times when people who normally don’t bother with politics will temporarily listen more than usual. 703
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 21, 2011, 06:19 PM | #
I recently bought myself a new desk. It took me several hours to assemble the thing. Finally, I slapped on the last piece. That’s where we are with White people today: I don’t discuss the Jewish Question in large part because no one around here is going to grasp that issue before they grasp other things first. If you live in Louisiana, then you know that people there are going to understand blacks and Hispanics, but Jews is going to be a more difficult subject because most people in Louisiana don’t interact with them on
(1) I quite sure it is not because there is a climate of hostility toward Kevin MacDonald. (2) It is probably much more likely that the smart set in WN (who I don’t interact with as much as I did a year ago) now realizes that “WN Lite” is triumphing (Buchananism, Taylorism, Brimelowism, Francisism) and they want to position themselves in such a way as to be able to connect with that mass constituency. Just read OD. We study the polls there on a daily basis. White people are giving up on BRA. This is what WNs don’t understand. They don’t understand it because they don’t pay attention to the “mainstream” like some of us do. Ten years ago, it used to be that angry White people were WNs, but now “WN” is like a tick on the ass of a bull compared to the millions of angry White people out there who are pissed off for the same reasons that WNs became WNs, but who are about at the same point where I was a decade ago. You see, in order to go forward, you have to go back: you have to take what you have learned and go back to where ordinary people are in your community, connect with them, and lead them to a more racial perspective.
Another part of it is surely annoyance with the clown movement and the tactical calculation that it is best to distance ourselves from those people. I’ve sat around watching Der Linder “name the Jew” for ten years now in Kirksville. How many followers does Linder have in Kirksville? The sensible thing that we should be doing is connecting with ordinary White people now that they are really, really, really pissed off about the decline of America. What’s the point of talking about the Jewish Question to yourself? If no one is listening to you, you aren’t accomplishing anything. Although I am not convinced this is true, I see it as a very reasonable position.
How did you begin your education? In my case, I was a typical White student from Alabama who was a racial conservative who was pissed off about immigration, reparations for slavery, affirmative action, and racial double standards. When I first stumbled across WN, which was exactly 10 years ago on 9/11, David Duke was saying that Jews were responsible for 9/11. It sounded ridiculous to me, but because WNs were talking about the issues that I cared about, which no one else was addressing, I stuck around and listened. Later, I read Kevin MacDonald ... and only then did the issue make sense to me. If I had stumbled across Der Linder or J Richards, I probably would have dismissed WN as being nothing but a bunch of lunatics. You can’t educate people who aren’t paying attention to you. That’s the moral of the story. If we don’t connect with our audience, we don’t even get the chance to make our pitch.
Of all the damn things the Jews are up to on a daily basis, he sits here and says stuff like “Jews Did The Civil War” and “Jews Did Norway” which, whether he realizes it or not, makes discussion of the Jewish Question sound nutty and insane - he is verifying the stereotype of kooks being obsessed with Jews who blame them for the weather.
Where there is smoke there is fire. The thrust of this material is to make the issue sound nutty and insane: if he was serious, then he would attack the Jews on solid ground like Kevin MacDonald does, but his strategy here seems to reinforce stereotypes by making nothing but outlandish claims. 704
Posted by hyperion on September 21, 2011, 06:25 PM | #
So what’s the rational approach? Do we pretend they don’t exist while trying to create ethnostates? Or try to negotiate with them? From what position can we negotiate? You need carrots and sticks to negotiate. What carrots can we offer? Their own ethnostate in Europe or North America? That’s not what they want. That’s not their nature. How about the elite niches in any and all future ethnostates (which would of course mean they aren’t genuine ethnostates and defeat the primary purpose of ethnostates i.e. self-rule)? They’d be completely surrounded by homogeneous groups of Whites. You think they wouldn’t be permanently suspicious and wary and worried about being removed or eliminated by the larger, homogeneous groups of Whites? Would this be acceptable to them unless they were in command of a permanent, oppressive, authoritarian rule with Whites subjugated, weakened, dumbed down, castrated, etc. so as to pose no threat to their rule? This would defeat the whole purpose of ethnostates in the first place. Would it be practically any different from the status quo or where we’re headed? What sticks do we have? If we do have serious sticks that we can negotiate with, why wouldn’t they just convince them that we are a threat and get them to continue the status quo? 705
Posted by Lew on September 21, 2011, 07:02 PM | #
Sure; to clarify, I surely did not mean to suggest there is any climate of hostility toward KMD in those various orgs and that that is a possible explanation for them not running with KMDs content at an activist level. That possibility didn’t even cross my mind.
Yes, and that would be a very reasonable explanation. 706
Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 07:10 PM | #
I use “Bolshevik holocaust” in conversation all the time. I don’t like to play equivalence games, and am skeptical of certain claims about the holodomor, but it’s an easy and sharp way to interrupt the goodthink narrative. Or I will, when someone invokes “the Holocaust” with that worshipful connotation of ultimum malum, simply feign total ignorance. Thus: A. ... like they did in the Holocaust. and give a capsule history, with quick reference to certain operatives “who were Jews, actually.” If we were really determined to change discourse, we’d combine the insistence on localism, where alone we can have an effect, and work very hard on perfecting a set of scripts — rhetorical contingency plans — to be employed when dealing with people, any people. I know most of you are doing this already in your personal lives or online elsewhere, but it would be damn sight to codify to promote united of action and ease of acquisition for our counter-narrative. Years ago we had a “snappy comebacks” series of course. Those were fun, but they ought to be a matter of more serious moment. Grand strategy is fantasy. Separate wish from fact. The zombies can’t be reasoned with, only shock-treated with applied cognitive dissonance, like a psychiatrist disturbing his patient’s carefully crafted rationalizations.
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Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 07:10 PM | # hyperion
I think the original quote was referring to the academic KMac style approach. 708
Posted by Lew on September 21, 2011, 07:13 PM | #
I think the rational approach to attack in a way that makes sense (accurate, founded, well broached, etc). It seems to me that this is the approach that has never been tried. Attack but in a responsible way. 709
Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 07:16 PM | # *unity of action We’re too hung up on being absolutely truthful and correct. That’s part of our problem as whitey. The truth ought to be sacrificed to present a united narrative front, just as they do. Neither race crime stats in extenso nor linderism in extremis are of value in everyday intercourse. A slow steady drip of antidote at the right moment is about all that can be safely and decorously deployed. 710
Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 07:22 PM | #
True. I always meant to do something like that but now i just point people at BUGS as that works pretty good when i use it in my genocide persona. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/forum/bugs-swarm/
I approve of that grand strategy. 711
Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 07:33 PM | # Glad to have your approval, buddy.
Right. I do that too. For example, if someone around asks me for a cigarette, I’ll say sure, take the rest of my pack — but you have to do me a favor: check out this website MajorityRights (or whatever). Yea, that’s right, majority — rights — dot — com. BUGS is also very handy for that. 712
Posted by Wandrin on September 21, 2011, 07:46 PM | # Fair point. It would be good to have offline scripts as well. 713
Posted by Desmond Jones on September 21, 2011, 07:48 PM | #
This is good, but it could also be done in reverse. Usually it’s a strategy employed when attacking the ‘big’ Jews (Bernie Farber of the CJC) but also might satisfy Leon’s desire not to marginalize the fundies. Basically it means supporting Zionism against the real anti-semites, Islam, and attacking organized Jewry as being out of touch because they are still focused on the neo-Nazis. However, one size may not fit all. For instance the EDL employ an ant-Islam/philo-semitic strategy that appears to be a dead end. Tommy Robinson, bottom line(if he means what he says) wants Islam to assimilate. His frustration stems from the recognition of the fact theat even the ‘moderate’ Muslims acquiesce to the demand for sharia. He walks down a blind alley. If they don’t assimilate, then what? He has no answer and it is quite clear that if he steps over the line to repatriation, then the conversos like Michael Coren who currently support him will will quickly become estranged. 714
Posted by anymouse on September 21, 2011, 08:31 PM | #
The threat is not mythical, Lil Abner, as you well know. Alex’s angle is grandma’s property, no wife, an illegitimate child, and private funding. KMac’s angle is tenure and funding. Has KMac ever had a wife or child? What’s your angle? Did your sons lose scholarships to prestigious colleges and were they booted from private school after you came out of the closet? Was your minor daughter physically/sexually assaulted due to her relationship to you, ten after you crawled out from under the white nationalist rock? Did your wife lose her job after her employer Googled your name on the Internet? How many contracts have you lost after having come out of the closet with your identity? I could go on for paragraphs. It’s not necessary. Sensible people know what I’m talking about. Fifteen years in the non-movement has taught me well: Only jews, their sycophants, snitches, federal informers, ignoramuses like my former self, and dysfunctional dweebs working an angle advocate openness on the Internet. When physically confronted by real men the dweebish eyes of Internet “Bravehearts” shift downward or turn away. Fuck you, Parrott, and your faux “moral superiority.” Like Linder I can guaranfuckingtee that you, too, would never call me coward to my face. 715
Posted by danielj on September 21, 2011, 08:51 PM | # B. Sorry, I was home-schooled. But it does remind me of what’s known as the Holodomor ... and give a capsule history, with quick reference to certain operatives “who were Jews, actually.” If we were really determined to change discourse, we’d combine the insistence on localism, where alone we can have an effect, and work very hard on perfecting a set of scripts — rhetorical contingency plans — to be employed when dealing with people, any people. I know most of you are doing this already in your personal lives or online elsewhere, but it would be damn sight to codify to promote united of action and ease of acquisition for our counter-narrative. Years ago we had a “snappy comebacks” series of course. Those were fun, but they ought to be a matter of more serious moment. Grand strategy is fantasy. Separate wish from fact. The zombies can’t be reasoned with, only shock-treated with applied cognitive dissonance, like a psychiatrist disturbing his patient’s carefully crafted rationalizations. Totally. Resisting Defamation dog. “analysis71” The Captcha is truly the Oracle at Dell… 716
Posted by Sam Davidson on September 21, 2011, 09:00 PM | #
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Posted by danielj on September 21, 2011, 09:10 PM | # Gonna be in Boston for the weekend if anybody is up to have a few drinks. 718
Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 09:24 PM | # Are there Bostonians here? Come to South Beach sometime! lolzlzozlzozlzz Just don’t tell the wife. 719
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 21, 2011, 09:25 PM | # anymouse,
All this sniveling nonsense about godawful things happening to advocates is one big transparent rationalization of your decision not to fight. That’s cool. Whatever helps you sleep at night, big guy. But please keep it to yourself and stop flinging snot and spit at your moral superiors. If you need to drive up to my neck of the woods and beat me down to validate your feelings, I’m easy enough to find. But even after you pound me into the ground, you’ll still be less of a man than Hunter Wallace or Alex Linder—I guaranbleepingtee it. 720
Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 09:30 PM | #
Yea, I really have to study that site. I’ve always been put off by the tone. Part of despising the victim industry and its frankenpeople is despising to become one of them. I don’t believe in “resisting defamation” as such, and the obtrusion of this morality irritates me. But that’s my perspective. As a redirect for zombies it’s quite serviceable. 721
Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 10:23 PM | # Dang, I am completely behind on the Whitaker site. This is a goldmine. Wandrin:
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Posted by anon / uh on September 21, 2011, 10:53 PM | # I strongly recommend this dude’s videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/DIEversity201
http://www.youtube.com/user/MarmiteMan4
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Posted by anymouse on September 21, 2011, 11:19 PM | #
I wonder where on the moral scale does Lil Abner place himself in relation to Sybil and Alex Linder? 724
Posted by Ubermouse on September 21, 2011, 11:30 PM | # Is your microcommunity prototype nearing completion, anymouse? A Real Man leads by example and doesn’t leave unfinished business. 725
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 01:26 AM | # @Dasein Why did they bother applying fire protection if the heat sink effect makes it unnecessary? Building design is always redundant. You take more steps than necessary to prevent disaster, and fire protection would tend to limit the size of any fires that may occur, thus minimizing damage to structures and office materials if the fires became large. How do I know that the steel would bend [when heated sufficiently] but not shatter? Because that’s what it does, as known. Let’s say the beams snap at the joints, which you’ve mentioned. How do you think the fall will occur in this case? Along the path of least resistance, which surely isn’t straight down. If you don’t want to waste time looking at evidence for and against controlled demolition, then don’t link to people discussing the matter, and in this case there’s no reason why you should be particularly motivated to take a stance on the issue, which includes insisting on agnosticism, which in turn isn’t consistent with your behavior here. The motivated can surely learn some things from the debate around the Harritt et al. paper. The response to objections such as problems with peer review and chain of custody is simple: replicate the study and see for yourself. There’s no shortage of WTC dust. NIST has had a while to do their own studies to see if they replicate Harrit et al.’s finds. Where have they published them? And so on. It isn’t just thermite, but a whole lot of other observations that need to be tied together, such as the lack of credible evidence that 19 Arabs were involved, the missing video surveillance, classic signs of controlled demolition, etc. If you’re going to give up the possibility of natural collapse when a sufficient number of structural engineers start vouching for controlled demolition, consider ae911, and if you’re really a vote-determines-truth person then you shouldn’t be particularly motivated to argue against controlled demolition, which is what you’re doing, as you should bide your time and wait for the matter to come to vote. Regarding “Especially when some of the people pushing these alternative theories are not considered experts,” science isn’t a matter of opinion but one of evidence. Regarding your contention that the problem with alternative 9/11 theories is that the other side can always get experts who’ll present counter-evidence, is this what we observe? If this were the case then the mainstream media would present both the plane-and-fire version and controlled demolition argument in a neutral manner since at least half of the people don’t buy the official tale. But is this happening? You can observe from the foul tactics (demonization, ridicule, character assassination, straw men, publishing in venues where the other faction is excluded) coming from one of the two factions even when the debate’s limited to what happened [not who did it], leaving no doubts who doesn’t have the counter-evidence. 726
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 01:33 AM | # @Dasein Concerning Greening (G) on ammoniun perchlorate (AP), his notion isn’t intriguing. To heat AP without detonators, wiring… you’d have to depend on burning jet fuel, which’d consume much of the oxygen that AP needs aplenty to burn/explode to its fullest potential. Since the buildings are tall, how would you sufficiently heat AP far from the crash site? G also assumes that AP could’ve been coated on through the 1990s, but Jews didn’t acquire full control of WTC until a few months before 9/11. In contrast, thermite has its own oxygen supply, and it effectively slices through metal, leaving the rest to C4/RDX. Most importantly, you haven’t noticed what trick G is pulling. He’s arguing that if it was an inside job then they would’ve preferably used a method that didn’t leave a trace, which means that the trace they left behind, unreacted thermite, is unlikely to be thermite. But G had an opportunity to publish a rebuttal to Harrit et. al. in the same publication, which he hasn’t attempted or hasn’t succeeded at. Even in his online postings, which you’ve cited, he’s failed to explain how heating WTC dust samples to a temperature far below the melting temperature of iron melts iron if the samples are laden with paint primer, not thermite. G also deflects attention from the basic issue of how can one demolish a building in a controlled manner without leaving a trace. It’s virtually impossible. So there goes the rationale behind his AP alternative. The evidence for controlled demolition doesn’t necessitate discovery of elements that have no regular business being around the structural support of a building: thermite, RDX, etc. The physics of a building coming down are sufficiently informative. I came to the conclusion that the official explanation of 9/11 is nonsense years before the Harrit et. al. paper, and there was one event which made me conclude this: watching a video of the collapse of building 7, seen in light of all other questions I had; it went from there. 727
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 01:40 AM | # @Dasein If you have to ask what evidence I have that Chechar’s a Jew, I don’t think you care to understand. I cited the evidence in the post itself and elaborated on it in the comments. Strictly speaking, the conclusion’s that Chechar’s working for the Jews. The next question’s whether he acts voluntarily or involuntarily. I get the impression that he acts voluntarily. The question that follows is whether he’s a Jew or or a non-Jew doing it for some incentive. His behavior indicates that he’s a Jew. Concerning why 9/11 truth will work in the future when it seems to have fizzled in the recent past, the 9/11 truth you’re referring to is the fake, kosher variety: Bush-Cheney did it. Bush and Cheney popped up out of obscurity and then left the scene. If they masterminded 911, then this would suggest it was presumably a one-off incident. But Jews did 9/11 is a totally different beast as it ties many otherwise seemingly unrelated and hard-to-fathom events, including past wars, current wars, swindling, etc., and allows us to make some predictions. 728
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 01:43 AM | # @Lew Regarding the poppy in Afghanistan, before 9/11, the Taliban had destroyed the poppy: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html After the American invasion it came back in full bloom and today it’s like $60-plus billion/annum worth of opium coming out of Afghanistan, accounting for over 90% of the world’s opium production. How can this happen under the watch of 125,000-plus coalition soldiers, armed with sophisticated weapons, supported by drones and backed by state of the art reconnaissance/support teams? Obviously, because these soldiers are effectively keeping watch. Do I have to answer for whom? Here: http://globheu.blogspot.com/2006/09/ch-19-jrm-in-afghanistan.html And have you wondered how the crude cave dwellers are able to come up with sophisticated IEDs (improvised explosive devices) that they uncannily manage to place where U.S. patrols pass? And how about all the suicide bombings that didn’t take place before the invasion? How come the Afghans weren’t blowing each other up when they were fighting the Soviets? The answer’s obvious in light of the 9/11 false flag planned and orchestrated by Jews. 729
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 22, 2011, 01:43 AM | #
*lulz* The Parrott find himself put on trial by the clown movement. I just got finished listening to the Robert Stark podcast. Funny stuff. 730
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 01:47 AM | # @Wallace So you know all about the Jews, and I’m the clown. Now why don’t you try to cite evidence that 19 Arabs were involved and we’ll compare that to my evidence for Jews doing it. Similarly, you didn’t show how the logistics of the official Norway massacre story are feasible, and didn’t have much to say on the evidence that no people other than Jews could possibly have written the manifesto… there’s much more that you can read where I’ve posted on the matter. Regarding the U.S. civil war, you can look up some facts that many people don’t know. When it started, the French army was stationed at the Mexican border, facing America; the British army was stationed at the Canadian border, facing America; and Russian fleets were stationed in the New York and San Francisco harbors. What the hell was going on? See if you can answer this question without the trail of evidence pointing to Jews. Stop being an asshat here. 731
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 01:54 AM | # @Desmond Jones I agree that how to unite is something that must be answered, but I’m afraid I don’t have the answer, at least not something I can put together in a comment. I assume that with enough Westerners waking up to Jews planning and orchestrating 9/11, attitudes toward Jews will tend to converge across political beliefs, especially since many Westerners will be lookin into what else are the Jews responsible for——after all, an incident like 9-11 obviously serves the long-term interests of a powerful international criminal network, which raises the question what these interests are, what others things have been done to achieve these interests and what’s likely to be done in the future for the same. I also believe that the more intelligent will temporarily set aside differences and cooperate with the understanding that there’ll be no obligations post victory, where people will go back to sparring as before. Of course, this convergance can be facilitated and some strategies developed regarding this matter, but I don’t have the time to focus on them. I’ll be focusing on documenting Jewry’s murders, massacres, mayhem… the bare essentials that’ll serve the basis for common ground. If you can put your thoughts together on the topic, please submit a lengthy article or booklet, if that’s what it takes, to GW. It’d be a pleasure to observe the crypto-Jews and controlled opposition squirm at a well-written piece on an alliance with Muslims. And if you can come up with a decent argument on an alliance with black groups, you’re the man for getting it published at MR! In fact, I’ll be sending you an email because I know someone whom you might be interested in collaborating with. 732
Posted by J Richards on September 22, 2011, 02:00 AM | # @Ambitious Outsider It’s true that attacking Zionism allows for criticism of Jewry behind a veneer of respectability, but this isn’t without issues. One’s of accuracy. Zionism was created in the late 1800s whereas the essential behaviors of Jewry today are similar to those three centuries earlier, a thousands years ago and even earlier. So the problem’s Jews. Second, in case you haven’t noticed, there’s the school of disinformation to which Henry Makow and Jeff Rense belong (to name more prominent members), headed by Jews that see the writing on the wall and are busy blaming Zionists, making it look like the majority of Jews are well meaning and themselves the victims of the Zionists. 733
Posted by FB on September 22, 2011, 02:03 AM | # J Richard’s obvious goal is to make anti-Semites look like crazed loons. He gets lots of help from Linder. 734
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 22, 2011, 04:51 AM | #
J Richards has done the impossible: he has made Linder look reasonable. Check out OD Forum: the alternative to VNN Forum. Follow the link. 735
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 06:47 AM | # Lew: I finally got around to listening to the Prothink podcast that I had been promoting as some sort of breakthrough for Kevin MacDonald. I now realized that I was being overly optimistic. His tone is still apologetic. 736
Posted by Leon Haller on September 22, 2011, 06:53 AM | # When I see the super-hardcore of WN emerge and display themselves in all their clown suits, I really find myself ever more inclined to prefer concentrating my own pro-white efforts on persuading Catholics and other Christians that immigration termination, and white resistance to cultural attacks and racial double standards, is morally acceptable from within our theological tradition. Believe me, there is, sadly, a lot of work to do in that arena. But at least you’re working with civilized and mentally stable people. 737
Posted by Dasein on September 22, 2011, 07:30 AM | #
I was surprised by KMac’s demeanour when I first heard him interviewed. Based on the last part of the preface to the paperback edition of CoC ** and his reply (particularly its title) to John Derbyshire’s article in TAC, I expected him to be less demure, and even have a bit of a mean streak.
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Posted by Dasein on September 22, 2011, 07:40 AM | # Interesting preview of the new Palin biography here.
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I tried a while ago, unsuccessfully, to find a YouTube video I remember seeing, where Palin is being baptised by their family preacher, a Negro who used to be a witch doctor in Kenya. Has anyone else seen this? 739
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 07:52 AM | # Thanks for the song, Dasein. I like the sound of it, and used google-translate to get the lyrical gist. My everyday German is confined to Sieg Heil, Heckler & Koch. As far as the punks go, I stay out of their neighborhood for now unless I’m disguised as a respectable conservative. It’s not that they don’t recognize me, but they express no malice as long as I cloak myself in the raiment of defeat. 740
Posted by anon / uh on September 22, 2011, 08:08 AM | #
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBnZJQZHJg&feature=related
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Posted by Dasein on September 22, 2011, 08:19 AM | # Thanks, uh. I guess that’s more a ‘blessing’ than a baptism 742
Posted by anon / uh on September 22, 2011, 08:50 AM | # GREAT article. I may add “sangomas” to my store of synonyms for Jews. Another double-murder of white college students: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaqD3j0C7KY&feature=channel_video_title Apparently just the other day. Completely unprovoked surprise attack, of course. 743
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 22, 2011, 10:13 AM | #
The clown movement has overlapped with the White Nationalist movement ever since George Lincoln Rockwell was assassinated by one of his own followers. After I got back involved with conservatism, I began to realize how many White subdemographics were completely absent from the White Nationalist movement. There was no shortage of disagreeable, secular intellectuals and misogynistic curmudgeons and swaggering neo-fascists involved with White Nationalism. But where were the women? Where were the little old ladies? Where were the agreeable people? Where were the ordinary Christians? Where were the do gooders? You see these people all the time in conservatism. It was a pleasant experience to start interacting with people who were not in the mold of “anymouse” and “J Richards” and Craig Cobb and Der Linder. Here in the South, ordinary people are already pro-White. They already believe in the existence of racial differences. They are already opposed to immigration. Just what is the “White Nationalist” movement? How did it get started? Just a few decades ago, there wasn’t a “White Nationalist movement.” Instead, there were disparate groups that were pro-White that came from various sources. Sen. Richard Russell had nothing in common with George Lincoln Rockwell and Harold Covington. The Klan was around long before the Neo-Nazi groups. “White Nationalism” was an attempt to fuse all these groups together in the common purpose of creating a “White ethnostate” in North America. Unfortunately, it didn’t work. White people were too heterogeneous to unite behind nothing more than racial grievances and abstractions. There was not enough common ground for White Nationalism to work. There are lots of people involved with White Nationalism who are really just Southerners and racial conservatives: James Edwards (Tennessee), Jared Taylor (Virginia), Sam Dickson (Georgia), David Duke (Louisiana), etc. The Parrott, for example, is a racial conservative from South Indiana. He is a white trash hillbilly with no accomplishments to speak of whose ancestors moved across the Ohio River from somewhere like Kentucky or Virginia. He thinks there is a “Hoosier Nation” when in reality he is from a march of Kentucky. Just from watching these people, I am always amazed by this ideological barrier they have erected which separates them from the people in their own states and communities. Lew, for example, sounds like he could be anyone from New Orleans. The Trainspotter doesn’t seem to know that the “conservatives” in Southside Virginia know all about African-Americans and illegal aliens. I mean ... there is a small and narrowing gap between “conservatives” and “racialists” in Virginia. How many people in the Old Dominion are “racial conservatives”? It has got to be at least 25 percent of the White population. In Alabama and Georgia, it is over 50 percent of the White population. Instead of dealing with the clown movement, we could try to nudge Christianity and conservatism in a more racial direction. Free Republic has already been transformed into Stormfront Lite under Barack Obama. The clown movement is an obstacle to the restoration of White racial consciousness - it keeps people bottled up in a narrow, ideological little ghetto which cripples them with alienation and prevents them from successfully communicating with their peers. It is not uncommon to see these people lose touch with their own families. There is really not much difference between The Parrott and the average White family in South Indiana. Is he really a radical? There is not much difference between James Edwards and the average conservative in Tennessee. Jared Taylor could talk to virtually anyone in Virginia. Nothing they are saying is really that radical. In other parts of the country, where the Hispanic invasion is more serious problem than it is here, there is not much difference between Sheriff Joe and Russell Pearce and racial conservative Whites in Arizona. Arizona has gotten to the point where it is attempting to nullify the Voting Rights Act! OTOH, people like HAC are hopelessly isolated in Washington State. Der Linder is hopelessly isolated in Kirksville. William Pierce deliberately isolated himself in West Virginia. The clown movement is hopelessly isolated by something ... what is that something ... it is ideological fanaticism. Ideology makes people do the dumbest things. Just look at what the fantasy ideology of liberalism has inflicted upon America. The cult of libertarianism has all kinds of stupid ideas which is a product of thinking in terms of abstractions. J Richards is claiming that Jews Did Norway. Der Linder still believes in the polarization strategy after ten years of experience - ideology is the culprit. 744
Posted by anon / uh on September 22, 2011, 11:09 AM | #
As a former long-time resident of the Virginia, in nearly every corner of that villainous backward state, — they may be 25 percent conservative, but nowhere close to that are racially aware beyond unspoken threshold level. Miscegenation is more popular there than in most other states I’ve seen from the ground for more than a year. The black holes of Richmond, Washington, Lynchburg Hampton Roads and increasingly C-ville are bad enough, but go some way out of the cities, to Suffolk or Dale City or Chincoteague, and what does one find? Muslims, fat white mothers of halfling bastards, white negroes, bohunk conservative retirees, hispanics, leftist organic vegetable farmers — the usual collection of Wal-Martians, in short. You cannot simply declare a state to be conservative and racialist. Judges, lawyer and police (especially sheriff) associations have greater sway in Virginia; this gives it a conservative air and skews the laws that way, but the people are too far gone to matter. Probably blacks are a much larger “conservative” base there than whites or Hispanics. 745
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 22, 2011, 11:36 AM | # Hunter, Please don’t identify me as Southern. I’m not Southern. I don’t belong in the South. I have nothing to do with the South and my forefathers fled the South for good reasons. There’s nothing to be excited about in the Cracker Barrel Racism prevalent throughout much of America’s White underclass. It’s not useful, promising, or relevant. It’s built on a rock solid foundation of collective guilt within a framework where it’s an immoral indulgence. “Nigger Jokes” and “Darkie Stories” are to Southerners what rape jokes are to teenage boys—opportunities to indulge in something they understand to be deeply immoral as a harmless way to vent their frustration and assuage their humiliation. 746
Posted by Lew on September 22, 2011, 11:48 AM | # @J Richards An anonymous blogger is not a credible source. Are you the author? You can’t cite yourself as a source for your own claims. 747
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 22, 2011, 11:50 AM | # The left side of the White bell curve needs to go. The right side of the jew bell curve needs to go. The entire negro bell curve needs to go. 748
Posted by J. M. on September 22, 2011, 12:11 PM | #
The ideas below are good security measures for signing up at any forum; they are imperatives for signing up anywhere that Hunter Wallace and Daryl Basarab/Metal Gear are in charge of: 1. For the purpose of registration, sign up for a dummy email account that you can afford to lose. Use a strong, unique password different from all your other passwords. The biggest mistake you can make with malicious forums is using the same password for multiple accounts, especially your primary email account. There are several utilities out there for organizing passwords and making it easy to keep multiple strong, unique passwords. Find out more about them and use them. 2. Choose a unique password for your actual forum account, different from your dummy email account’s and from all others. 3. Browse the forum using the latest version of FireFox. Make sure that the NoScript addon is installed. Do not allow anything non-html to run on the Web sites of untrustworthy people. No exceptions! 4. Use a proxy. 5. Important: Be careful to always type the correct password when logging in! It is a common error to type in a password out of habit in the wrong log-in screen. If this password gets captured then it can be used against your email and other forum accounts. This is how Hunter Wallace and his associates managed to break into things in several cases during their password phishing operation. 6. Anything you write may be used against you. Avoid providing any personally identifiable information (PII) about yourself in your public posts. Expect your “private” messages and rep messages to be read if you send them through the forum. Yes, it has already happened. 7. If you do all the above, I suspect you’ll be safe, but in all honesty who can say for sure. The safest and surest course of action is to stay away from the site. You are dealing with people with no honor and it’s probably not worth the risk to your privacy. 749
Posted by Lew on September 22, 2011, 12:14 PM | # Jimmy Marr:
My interpretation is that KMD believes White Americans need to crawl before they can walk. He said more than once that he / we need to take steps to trigger a thought process in White peoples’ minds akin to, “well, if Blacks can have the NAACP and Jews get an ADL, it should be OK for us to have a group.” Which does make sense, given that the typical White person out there doesn’t even realize real. Regarding his comments on radical confrontation, he seemed he was writing off the use of NS symbolism, labels and pubic imagery as extremely counterproductive rather than the substance of their program. Just my reading. 750
Posted by Lew on September 22, 2011, 12:22 PM | # @Hunter Wallace Your BRA line of attack is pitch perfect for the South. I adapt your material and use it all the time when I’m stirring the pot in the comments for my local paper’s Web site. 751
Posted by Trainspotter on September 22, 2011, 01:01 PM | # anon/uh: “...this gives it a conservative air and skews the laws that way, but the people are too far gone to matter. Probably blacks are a much larger “conservative” base there than whites or Hispanics.” Eh…I don’t know. Parts of Virginia have become pretty bad, no doubt. Other parts, not so much. I talk to ordinary white Virginians all of the time about race, one on one, and very rarely get a bad reaction. In fact, it’s not all that unusual for them to broach the subject of race without my prompting. I had two do just that at a social function a week or so ago. I was able to sit back and let them make my arguments for me. Nice work if you can find it. I’d say there is a fair amount of racial consciousness out there among ordinary white folk, much more than you suggest. And despite some areas where white females are literally surrounded by every type of swarthy critter known to god and man, most of them are with white guys. That is clearly an affirmative choice on their part, and not simply a matter of default. On the other hand, the level of cultural degradation is indeed astonishing, and while it is clearly the case that most whites don’t approve of miscegenation (at least in private conversation), you do see a fair amount of it. Things aren’t good, this in the home of Massive Resistance. The trends are all negative, it’s just a question of how far and how fast. But guess what got us here? Conservatism. The South has had the Dixiecrats, George Wallace, Massive Resistance, Impeach Warren, you name it. The South has reliably voted for conservative Republicans for over a generation now, becoming in effect the demographic core of political conservativsm. Before that, they united as a block behind conservative Democrats. We’ve had conservatism up to our eyeballs…and precisely none of it has worked. Instead, the Africanization of our culture and the destruction of our very racial basis proceeds apace. Even though I think you are indulging in hyberbole with your description of the Old Dominion, I’ll grant that the matter is at least arguable, and in any event we are rapidly heading in the direction that you suggest - and well beyond. This after more “conservatism” than you could shake a fist at. Whatever differences I might have with Linder, he’s been spot on with this. It’s a vital issue, and he’s been the loudest drummer on point. The take home message is that conservatism has utterly, absolutely failed. It has had its day (hell, it has had its generations), it has completely dominated the white South, and it has led to nothing more than degradation and oblivion. More “conservative successes” such as the South has enjoyed, and we shall be completely undone. So what is the answer? A land of our own, all white, where we can live and develop according to our own nature and requirements. A sovereign white nation, a White Republic. Conservatives have had their day, they have wielded their power, and it all came to naught. Why in the world would we yet again go down a path of proven, demonstrable failure? Are we that goddammed stupid? Maybe. Certainly the trolls and obfuscators have at least something of an audience. White nationalism, on the other hand, has not failed. Those who claim otherwise are delusional. WN is currently an idea, an aspiration. It is a distinct approach that recognizes the inadequacy and failure of multiracialism in any of its incarnations, whether that be in the form of segregation, supremacy, integration, amalgamation, and so forth. Yes, white nationalism has its share of kooks and cranks. While this is a significant problem, it no more invalidates the idea of white nationalism than would two plus two cease to be four - just because a kook said it. If conservatism were the answer, we would have won by now. It isn’t. The tragic misdirection of white resistance into the dead end of conservatism has resulted in a nation overrun by well over one hundred million non-whites (with no end in sight), a Judaized and Africanized culture, murder and rape by the bushel, the destruction of the beautiful and sublime, the celebration of the ugly and sordid, and pretty much the destruction of everything that we hold dear. Quite a track record! There is a better way that offers a real and sustainable solution. My perhaps overly broad assessment of Virginia is this: as a whole, it is pretty well shot. There is no way that white racialism could, using the ballot box, win at the state level (never mind that in the not so distant past, racial conservatism won at the state level every single time, fat lot of good that it did us). But there is still a lot of good white racial stock in Virginia, people with good instincts. Once we can achieve meaningful white sovereignty somewhere, these people and their descendents will likely gravitate to the new land. While I would love for that new land to include Virginia, the tragedy is that we are simply too close to Washington (and BosWash in general), and are too far gone demographically for that to be likely, at least in the northern and eastern parts of the state. The more westerly portions of the state are still fairly decent, and there is probably more potential there. Regardless, the choice is clear: White Republic or just more conservative dross? 752
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 02:26 PM | # Lew:
I think you’re right Lew. Furthermore, I have been suspicious for some time that KMac employs a type of doublespeak like that for which Leo Strauss became known, whereby he denoted one thing to his gentile students while connoting additional meaning for his Jewish followers. I think Corsican was picking up on this when he asked if the A3P strategy wasn’t running the risk of looking sneaky. If actions speak louder than words, and KMac thinks NS symbolism is counterproductive, why did he choose to be hosted on Prothink in the wake of the Milwaukee protest? KMac expressed his correct understanding that the danger of being racially explicit is the likelihood of Negro violence, but we know that the fruit of appeasement is also Negro violence. The only difference is that we have more control over the way that violence will unfold when we march into enemy territory under the banner of National Socialism. KMac states that A3P serves a purpose by acclimating White Americans to explicitly White political messages, but complains that NSM’s strategy is counterproductive. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” 753
Posted by Lew on September 22, 2011, 02:29 PM | # Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad just weighed in on Jews and the 9/11 attacks at the UN:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/22/us-un-assembly-iran-idUSTRE78L4XR20110922 754
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 22, 2011, 02:33 PM | # The purpose of conservatism is to rubber-stamp liberalism. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. - Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope 755
Posted by anon / uh on September 22, 2011, 02:45 PM | # Trainspotter,
What parts? I don’t want to be captious, because it seems we agree, but I am genuinely curious to know where you meet these receptive Virginians. I don’t doubt the existence of some, of course. I simply never met any. I passed much of my childhood around Dale City. I watched the Washington metro area slowly fill with Hindus and Muslims. In fact, I was expelled from school for defending myself against an Arab bully — black belt in Tae Kwon Do, ere any guffaw — with a switchblade. So my view of the state is rightly black, I feel. Thereafter I sacrificed still more of my life in that filthy concrete jungle on the water, Hampton Roads. Europeans and Brits and everyone else cannot BEGIN to understand the depth of America’s negritude and squalor if they have not seen this region.
In Alexandria and Georgetown, sure. And it is very probably true that the majority still pair with white men. Still, there is a strong outbreeding pattern and one mirrored in most other States — white girl (pre-negrified by sociocultural factors) leaves suburb for city, is seeded by kaffir, left by kaffir, then goes back to suburb with half-caste in tow, to be looked after by “grammuh n grampuh” while she chain-smokes menthols and collects welfare. You cannot, you will not tell me that you are unfamiliar with this obscene little tragicomedy. It’s all over Virginia. But even those white-white couplings are invalid. Truthfully, how many young white couples with at least one child have you met where both parents were aware? I’m basically a shut-in and misanthrope but I’ve met plenty of people, and I can count such couples on one hand, none in Virginia. White couples are almost uniformly, and necessarily owing to social constraints, liberal. Or the father is wary and the mother isn’t, suppressing race consciousness whenever father erupts in a fit of good sense. I have a cousin out in “Wiskansin”, some small city that’s 100% white, who fears her husband is poisoning her precious little twerps’ minds with no doubt mild Judenhass. Or the white males have served in the Navy with blacks and Filippinos and play video games all day. There is every effective barrier to whites pairing with whites affirmatively. This has been determined from so paltry a thing as dating sites, where white females respond to black males the least, and white males the most; yet on their profiles angrily declare their opposition to racism, etc.
I think you are overestimating the good sense of the white female. Everything she does is by default. Which is why miscegenation is a problem. There are scores of white girls who will proclaim they “could never take a black gah”, but this depends mostly on circumstance; once their awful feminist-induced attitude has shot down every “good man” of our race, they sour, become desperate, and give in to the kaffirs. Or they do it in college. A white girl who bangs negroes at house parties one year and marries a white graduate the next is not something I want at my table.
I know, I know. It is a persistent fault in everything I write.
More worrisome to me is the slide from the late 80s until now of the voting parity in the New England States. If you look at county trends in Maine or New Hampshire, even many in Vermont, the rate is from ~46% Republican to the now overwhelming Dem majorities. Which means the “Northeast Homeland” will shortly be overrun in reenactments of the Lewiston affair. New Haven e.g. is already a total disaster. Blah blah blah. I just don’t want to see Maine and Vermont undone.
Let’s say center- and north-west, as the southwest has Blacksburg, which lives well up to the name, and is contiguous the blackest portion of West Virginia. I’m sure there are good people in the west. Anyhow, that was a great response — well written with many excellent points and some inspiring oratory. You nearly succeeded in instilling some hope in this black-hearted pessimist. 756
Posted by Lew on September 22, 2011, 03:02 PM | #
Jimmy, The most honest answer is that I have no idea. I had never heard of Prothink until you linked that podcast, and I know almost nothing about the NSM and its activities. But my hat’s off to you for getting out there and protesting. Regarding KMD, my own conclusion about his activist strategy based on inferences from the facts that I know about is this: KMD and the people around him have a made a strategic decision to avoid going full on at the JQ using KMDs own findings, and have done so despite their expert understanding of the Jewish role in our peoples’ ongoing march to genocide. This is something that frustrates me greatly. 757
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 03:33 PM | # Lew:
Yes. It frustrates me as well as embarrasses me. Without wishing to be too harsh, I agree with Alex Linder’s idea that the force restraining us is simply fear. And by this I am not trying to infer that I am not afraid. I am afraid, and I won’t criticize others who share this fear, but when they start to sidewind and rationalize that fear, I intend to point it out. I see a need to follow Linder’s advice in attacking the Right from the Right. Without over-estimating my formidability, I intend to apply myself to contributions which serve the creation a counterbalancing fear and provide an increased sense of symmetry in the Parrottsphere. Alex rules. No Jews. Just right. 758
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 22, 2011, 03:44 PM | # Lew, No theory without practice. No practice without theory. Derb called KMac “The Karl Marx of the Anti-Semites”. To follow that metaphor a step further, successful Marxist revolutionaries didn’t descend on villages with copies of Das Kapital. They won the loyalty of the villagers through uniting as comrades against their enemies and challenges. The villagers who were ideologically inclined were indoctrinated, of course. The revolutionaries didn’t deceive the people by claiming to be something other than what they were. They didn’t lead with the “blunt end of the wedge” though, because preaching an esoteric and unfamiliar worldview to your audience before loyalty and credibility is established is putting the cart before the horse. “Gosh, this here group is the only one that’s been consistently on our side against problem X, Y, and Z. I admire them, will join them, and will read the key works of their leading ideologues A, B, and C.” Even Ron Paul, that most rigid of ideologues, leads with his practical selling points: limiting intrusive government and lowering taxes. He doesn’t use his air time to demand that people read Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand. He doesn’t have to. Ideologically oriented folks will follow up with that on their own and connect those dots for themselves. The following is not for Lew, who’s sensible and can read. But I’m going to add this disclaimer as a utility for those who struggle with reading: I’M NOT ARGUING FOR CONCEALING OR DENYING OUR INFLUENCES OR PREROGATIVES. I’M SIMPLY STATING THAT OUR MESSAGE AND MOTION OUGHT TO BE INVESTED MORE HEAVILY IN PRACTICAL ADVOCACY AND LOCAL ORGANIZING THAN ON THE MORE ESOTERIC AND RADICAL ASPECTS OF OUR IDEOLOGY. 759
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 22, 2011, 04:13 PM | # One should note that even the NSM is moderate relative to Jimmy on this. They don’t step up to the podium and carry on about Hitler and the Jews. They carry on about the immediate threats to neighborhood safety, scold union workers for following a bunch of anti-White Marxist radicals, and work to define themselves as the foremost leaders on the relevant issues. I think it’s a misstep to drag the swastika and lionization of Hitler into it. I don’t believe either of those are necessary to deliver our message and are irrelevant in the current context. Obviously, they’re considered deeply offensive by the target audience, but that in itself wouldn’t be sufficient to discard them. Being pro-White and addressing the Jewish dimension of our problem are both offensive to our target audience, too. The difference between the former and the latter is that the former is irrelevant in the current context and the latter is relevant in the current context. But this is merely a difference of opinion on tactics between myself and them. It’s not an attack on them. I scoff at the notion that their mistakes are the reason the rest of us aren’t making any progress. 760
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 04:25 PM | #
This is the most irresistible piece of propaganda I have seen in quite a while. Counterposing WTCD and Holy Hoax as the two blades of a verbal Hakenkreuz rather than the rubber sword of respectable conservatism.
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Posted by Leon Haller on September 22, 2011, 04:48 PM | # Matt Parrott is correct, though it amazes me how much of everything that is being said I have already discussed at great length over the years here at MR. Yes, ‘conservatism’ as currently practiced (not in theory, which includes a racial component) is worthless. Yes, we need WN - that is, an ideology which puts narrow white political and economic interests and ultimately genetic preservation front and center. Yes, our final goal is the White Republic - though my argument for White Zion (emigration of racially conscious whites to a demographically conquerable sovereign polity, which, of course, the USA is not), sadly, is what I find most plausible as an ultimate solution (though, of course, I also favor ‘in-migrations’ and separatist activism, such as embodied in the Northwest Front). Yes, whites are miscegenating, though in CA it is not primarily with blacks, but with Hispanics and Orientals (unbelievably, wrt the latter, this includes a lot of white females, something unheard of before the 90s - and which I regard as a far bigger ultimate demographic threat than black criminality). Yes, it is completely alienating to other whites - involves forcing them to traverse too great a psychological distance - to approach them via NS symbolism. Yes, expecting whites to embrace unproven conspiracy theories (even if such are, finally, true - matters never settled to serious men’s satisfaction, however) is a very unpromising approach to awakening whites to their racial dispossession (again, too great psychological distance). Yes, the WN movement does attract far too many intellectually, psychologically and morally marginal types. Yes, the ‘Right’ needs to be attacked from the race realist perspective - but it needs to be faulted for its intellectual inconsistency in refusing to face racial reality, not for all the other ways in which conservatism is correct, or, as in the case of limited government advocacy, advances white interests. Pro-whites need to demonstrate the ideological compatibility and/or necessity of their nationalism with or to other elements of life which are important to whites (eg, Christianity, limited government, economic prosperity). Why does anyone imagine that I am currently studying Christian (Catholic - my tradition) theology? Besides intrinsic interest, I understand that whites are more ethical by nature (and tradition) than other races; that Christians are more ideologically conservative than secularists; that conservatives are vastly more persuadable on race-realist issues than (psychologically degenerate) liberals; and that we advance our politics by addition, not subtraction (as Linder ridiculously imagines) - that is, that we demonstrate that supporting immigration or miscegenation is not mandatory for Christians, and that being concerned with racial and civilizational preservation is compatible with the faith. In other words, the intelligent approach is precisely NOT getting in the face of whites less advanced in their racial awareness, but gently telling the truth and thereby nurturing their natural racial instincts. I mean this: there is something mentally aberrational about those who fail to see that I’m correct (at least about how to advance whiteness among average whites; White Zion is a prognosticatory judgment call, about which reasonable fellows can and will disagree). 762
Posted by Leon Haller on September 22, 2011, 05:04 PM | # Let me add: by “getting in the face” I am referring to ordinary non-committal (but especially conservative) whites, and to insulting aspects of their being, like religion, important to them. I am completely in favor of relentlessly attacking racial leftists everywhere. The latter must be made to know that we are out there watching them, and wavering whites must be bolstered by our courage (so I acknowledge the importance of the spirit of the Linder/Marr crowd, if not their precise formulation of the problems). Basically, here is what we need: a WN movement that aggressively attacks all racial leftists, that relentlessly insists on racial truth-telling and advancing legitimate white grievances (immigration, affirmative action, crime), but which otherwise conforms itself to (conservative, Christian) mainstream white symbols, behavior and outlook. Isn’t that what Jared Taylor aims for? 763
Posted by Lew on September 22, 2011, 05:13 PM | # Matt, Fair points, well taken. I appreciate you taking the time to respond, and in your always lucid manner. 764
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 05:56 PM | #
You make an excellent point Matt, but if you really believe it, why didn’t you show up in Milwaukee? You made a 10 hour trip to stand on a street corner with a Jew in Charlotte, NC, but wouldn’t make a 5 hour drive to stand with Whites on the very issues for which you’ve just quoted your support. The word “pathetic” is difficult for me to avoid when I consider the gulf of traitorous hypocrisy which separates your words from your actions. With no masterbatory associations implied, I exhort you to get a grip on yourself. 765
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 22, 2011, 06:40 PM | # Jimmy,
Well, for starters, it would have been a duplication of effort to organize a parallel event. For reasons I’ve already outlined, I can’t and won’t directly collaborate with or endorse them. As such, given my inability to organize a coherent event that far from the home base, it would have amounted to a pathetic adventure with no hope of achieving any quantifiable or symbolic goals on behalf of the cause. But this isn’t about my “traitorous hypocrisy”. It’s not about Reuben. It’s not about the considerations that go into organizing an event. You’ve made it very clear that all of that pales in comparison to your obsession with what underpants I might be wearing or whether I’m straight on my WWII trivia. 766
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 07:58 PM | #
No Matt, that’s actually a non-starter. It would have been entirely unnecessary and arrogant of you to consider the organization of any dumbass parallel event just because you wish to sit in judgement of your kinsmen’s hairstyles. As you’ve already elucidated, my approach is in contrast to that projected by the NSM, but when it came time to stand against racial violence against White families, all that superficial bullshit went by the wayside. Do you think I’m a skinhead, Matt? Do you think I have tattoos? Do you think I’ve ever dressed up in a German military uniform? I don’t get off on that stuff. I never have, and I never will, but when guys like that are among those taking our cause to the streets, it forces me to make a decision about what means the most to me, my image as an individual, or the image of our cause, as a whole. If I was interested in self-promotion, I’d associate myself with KMac and the Polished Turd, just like you do. Maybe people would think I was smart and handsome. But, I’ve already wasted a large portion of my life trying to be smart and handsome, and found the rewards to be quite hollow. When I see those NSM guys out there struggling, I no longer ask myself how it makes me look. I ask myself how I can improve they way they look. I no longer ask myself how they reflect on my credibility. I ask myself how I can lend my credibility to theirs. I learned these things late in life, and I’m old enough now, that I don’t have much more to offer, which is why I’m trying to drive this message home to you and others in your age group. I know I’m asking a lot from you, but I’d really appreciate it if you’d give it some more thought. ‘Cause if you don’t, I’m going to keep my foot in your ass ‘til the day I die. 767
Posted by Trainspotter on September 22, 2011, 08:03 PM | # Haller: “Yes, whites are miscegenating, though in CA it is not primarily with blacks, but with Hispanics and Orientals (unbelievably, wrt the latter, this includes a lot of white females, something unheard of before the 90s - and which I regard as a far bigger ultimate demographic threat than black criminality).” Can you go into a bit more detail on this? California has pretty much been ground zero for the immigration invasion, and I’d be very interested to see how this is translating into miscegenation. As revolting as black male/white female pairings are, I agree with you that the real threat is elsewhere - Asians, Hispanics, and so forth. They will mongrelize us far faster than blacks, for a whole host of reasons. So how bad is it, particularly in SoCal if you have experience there? Care to venture any guess on percentages, particularly the percentage of white females that date whites and only whites, and end up having white children? Our resilient core, so to speak? If memory serves, the stats suggest that the miscegenation rate truly explodes with the second or third generation non-white immigrant (presumably Asian and Hispanic). Most parts of the country, including my own, are still dealing maingly with the first generation of contamination. So far, I don’t see much hispanic/white miscegenation around here, yet I shudder to think of what awaits when their more or less Americanized children come of age, which is not going to be too far down the road. In any event, California is already there and beyond, so I’m curious. The more mainstream liberals of course are licking their chops in anticipation of the racial lines becoming blurred, and a “redefinition” of what it means to be white. Translation: various mestizo and asiatic mongrel combinations will be the new white, while actual whites will gradually vanish. Mission accomplished for the anti-whites, who simply want us gone. They don’t really care how our vanishing act is accomplished. The behavior of youngish whites in SoCal (particularly white females, but males too) will provide at least a hint of what the rest of white America has to look forward to in the not too distant future. Bottom line: we must create a White Republic. 768
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 10:20 PM | #
Because they only work if you control the mass media. The whole notion of duplicating the black-privilege movement is so ridiculous on the face of it that I assume the person advocating such is either a blockhead or an anti. Claims that we can and should copy the ‘60s jew-organized niggers, regardless of the intent of the advocate, play into the jewish lie that it was the ‘morality’ of the anti-White movement that won whites over rather than raw jewish legal and media power. Good example is Knoxville. The media treated us Whites sticking up for Christian and Newsom as hostile outsiders bent on stirring up trouble. Trolls on here repeat that lie. But when the jew-fired radicals went down to the southern region in the sixties, they were treated as jesus figures come to the benighted land to spread love and justice. The locals were the haters. What’s the common denominator? Anyone sticking up for whites is the bad guy, and anyone pushing the jew agenda is the good guy. The ‘civil-rights’ strategy can’t work unless your side has the courts protecting it and the mass media marketing for it. Only simpletons and antis masquerading as WN can’t understand this. The more I read Haller, the more his denseness seems deliberate. 769
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 10:34 PM | #
How do you propose to bring them, lacking any power? They’ll laugh at you. They don’t care about reason or morals, only power. And you don’t have any. That’s why all this talk of secession or separatism or forming Republics is ridiculous. Rather than empty, foolish talk about secession, Republics, separatism and the like, we must worry about much more basic things: a) defining who we mean by “we”; b) defining who we mean by the enemy, them; c) forming a national political vehicle; d) choosing a strategy to acquire power; e) employing the strategy and actually acquiring that power. Then and only then can we force the jews to deal with us, or die resisting. 770
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 10:40 PM | # The people are already with us. What does that mean? It means if “we” that great undefined are anywhere near equal in power in relation to ZOG’s official parties, or even merely appear to be heading toward it, the people will side with us because we represent what their actual behavior shows they ALREADY appear: closed borders, free association, execution of nigger criminals, gun right, end to foreign wars/aid. Our strategy cannot be based on appealing to people or teaching them because we don’t control the high points. It’s like a guy with a single used car trying to outsell some massive car lot. We have to assume the people are with us based on their deepest behavior - where they move, who they marry. And assume they are not heros, and will not take serious risks short of emergency conditions (massive social breakdown), but will follow the forces of white normalcy we represent if the social costs of that following are anywhere near equal. 771
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 10:49 PM | #
I see an interesting test case on the horizon, and fear I’m going to witness the lynching of a dead man. 772
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 10:50 PM | #
Well said. And that’s why, or one of a million reasons, we should be attacking the conservatives rather than sucking up to them. Not a single man in the Republican or Democrat party dares speak the truth about MLK, let alone put an edge on it. That represents a tremendous political opportunity, but gawrsh, it sure is swell to have a real-lahf hero like Patrick nigger-veep Buchanan on our radio show. Unserious? Unserious. A real White party would treat a Buchanan with mocking derision. 773
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 11:05 PM | #
WN should apply our attack strategy not only to conservatives but to ‘thicks’ - WN on our side, good of heart, but pursuing the wrong strategy. 774
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 11:34 PM | #
My approach is not anti-local at all; local is quite important. My strategy correctly recognizes that the power suppressing our racial interests emanates from D.C., not from some hamlet in rural Wyoming, Arkansas or South Carolina. It’s like some of you aren’t capable of reading the papers. We must persuade people! We must do things in Our Town and never lift our heads! And what happens? You do anything serious, the feds coming marching in with the civil rights tyrants and jail you, sue you, or abuse you in the press. You can’t even run classified ads discussion who you want to rent a room to, because that’s a FEDERAL civil rights violation. There’s no way to change that locally, it’s a national issue. There has to be a competing, oppositional NATIONAL body facing up to the jews in order to take that power back from them. Local stuff is important for other reasons, only secondarily for political reasons. Most white-majority areas don’t have any serious political problem, and if they do, say black crime or illegal-alien-caused problems, it’s precisely BECAUSE the feds won’t let them deal with them. Who sues the small town in Pennsylvania that passes some tiny measure to discourage illegal aliens? The Justice Department. Not out of Feral Hogg, Ala., but out of Washington, D.C. Again, I can’t help but see deliberate denseness here on the part of these anonymous mouthers. We need power. Power means national power. There’s no such thing as state and local power in the USA in 2011. Not when a federal judge can simply toss out the legitimate vote of a large democratic majority. And the media ALWAYS side with the judge. 775
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 22, 2011, 11:35 PM | #
Oh, I forgot. The Parrott has moved 50 miles from Louisville. He lives in the “Hoosier Nation” now - which is somewhere in the “American Midwest,” although it strangely doesn’t resemble Wisconsin or Michigan, sounds nothing like Minnesota, and doesn’t vote like Iowa. That means he is not a Cracker who lives in a trailer park! lolulzlolulz 776
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 22, 2011, 11:42 PM | #
Try my strategy: call it the “town fool” strategy. In six easy steps, you can be as isolated and marginalized and politically irrelevant as I am in Kirksville, Missouri! Not a single man in the Republican or Democrat party dares speak the truth about MLK, let alone put an edge on it. That represents a tremendous political opportunity, but gawrsh, it sure is swell to have a real-lahf hero like Patrick nigger-veep Buchanan on our radio show. Unserious? Unserious. Pat Buchanan has a new book coming out. It looks like it will be another good one.
No, a real White party would be mocking Der Linder with derision. Only in WN could someone like Der Linder be taken seriously as a political strategist. Just look at his legions of followers in Kirksville and Missouri 9. 777
Posted by A. Linder on September 22, 2011, 11:44 PM | #
Imagine Hitler and the National Socialists internally debating whether they should be explicitly pro-Germany or implicitly? Facepalm. We must raise racial consciousness among white folks! Yes! But should we say we are pro-White or let them guess i? Ah, good question, hadn’t thought of that. A kosher-salted garden slug would be a good symbol for A3P, where itz not as easy as 1-2-3. 778
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 22, 2011, 11:54 PM | #
Yeah, but A3P has budget constraints to consider and that particular species seems to have become very camera shy of late. 779
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 22, 2011, 11:56 PM | #
First, I shall declare myself dictator of the United States. Then, I shall work my way down to the State of Missouri. After enough years, I will capture control of Kirksville. In a decade, I shall take over my own neighborhood. Finally, I shall convince my own family that I am not insane!
Yeah, that is what you call a polarization strategy that actually works: Arizona passed the SB 1070 law, the Justice Department sued to block the law, it pissed everyone off in Arizona, and it inspired Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina to pass their own state laws on immigration, which prompted more lawsuits, which polarized people more against the federal government, which suffered a further loss of legitimacy, which further eroded the Democratic Party while consolidating the White vote.
Okay, so the plan is to secede from the United States and create a White ethnostate, but first we have to capture control of the federal government in Washington?
Well, I think we should exploit the loss of legitimacy of the federal government, not to mention the loss of legitimacy by the mainstream media and the civil rights organizations, in order to advance a separatist agenda in Dixie.
Are you referring to Hazelton? Did you know the U.S. Supreme Court recently let the Hazelton immigration ordinance go into effect? That cleared the way for every small town in America to pass similar immigration laws. Who started it? Oh wait ... it was the Kris Kobach strategy, not the Der Linder strategy.
First, we shall proclaim ourselves dictator of the United States ... then, we shall conquer the local VFW.
Der Linder intends to rise to power without the Christians and conservatives in Kirksville and Missouri 9. Not when a federal judge can simply toss out the legitimate vote of a large democratic majority. And the media ALWAYS side with the judge. Yeah, then the people in Arizona and Alabama turn against the federal government, the mainstream media, and the civil rights organizations like the SPLC and ACLU ... they are polarized against them, shift further to the right, and start doing shit like attacking the Voting Rights Act. Meanwhile, Der Linder continues to practice the Antichrist strategy in Kirksville on VNN Forum. Check out OD Forum ... the alternative to VNN Forum. 780
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 12:05 AM | #
There’s nothing wrong with rational criticism of jews, but it belongs underneath the gaudy flowers of vicious emotional attacks for the harm they’ve done our race. That KM et al. don’t get this is why they aren’t worth following. Emotion is where the winning lies, not in reason. In the heart, not the head. It is an infallible mark of the fool or the liar that the jewish “thing” can’t be understood by normal people without years of training, prayers and handholding. Garbage. Any person of normal intelligence and most people of subnormal intelligence can be taught the jew thing in a couple of minutes. A3P is following proven conservative failure patterns. Even the troll who pretends to be a southern christian (last time I checked) is refuted by the words of the southerners, chrissiest of them all, Stonewall Jackson’s own Dabney, as cited upthread: “It may be inferred again that the present movement for women’s rights will certainly prevail from the history of its only opponent, Northern conservatism. This is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity, and will be succeeded by some third revolution to be denounced and adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves towards perdition….It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle.” Conservatism is dead in the water. It’s a way of pretending to do something, like prayer. “it was all a game; a way of making a living”—Joe Sobran on professional conservatism. It’s a way of raising funds by simulating concern with things known to bother large slice of the public (abortion, moral decline, crime, high taxes). The correct strategy is to attack the conservatives as cowards and weaklings, which they are. Take on their standard-bearer directly, the worst of them all: Pat Buchanan. He’s taking food out of the White cause’s mouth, and that’s the reason the trolls come out of the woodwork to defend him. Attack the conservatives and they will either shrivel up and disappear or they will join us. We will get a surge of new entrants, as people like a fighting cause, not a cause of wriggling, niggling remonstrators, always on their back foot, always appealing weakly. 781
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 12:15 AM | # Somehow the jews took power without ever troubling themselves in the slightest with Flyover. Hmm….now how did they do that? Oh. They bought up the mass media, they paid off the politicians, and they took over the law schools. But we’ll get ‘em back by…running candidates in local dogcatcher elections. Yeah, thatz the ticket! 782
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 12:18 AM | #
Jewish media and legal power specifically played on White concepts of universal morality. It didn’t work on everybody, especially not those with a lot of personal experience* of living among blacks, but it worked on enough White people to tip the balance. Films like “To Kill A Mockingbird” and all the others like it were enough on their own to start the multicult in places like Sweden. Whatever strategy one adopts, understanding this aspect of White psychology is absolutely critical. (*nb personal experience of living among blacks = empirical evidence = ghetto scientific exception to univeral rules of morality = hint) .
1) Destroying people’s faith in the multicult religion. The civil rights strategy would work extremely well for (1). The fact that the enemy want our genocide and therefore would never apply the same rules to White people and therefore why a civil rights strategy could never get to (2) is precisely why it would work so well for (1). (For universal morailty reasons again btw.) 783
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 12:20 AM | # Implicit Conservatives following Conservative Failure Patterns. You know those guys? DON’T BE THOSE GUYS. 784
Posted by Captainchaos on September 23, 2011, 12:28 AM | #
Is it the whole truth and nothing but that you wish them to hear, Hunter, at a time when they are prepared to hear it? Or are there some brutal facts of life which could only shatter their delicate illusions which you would wish forever kept from their ears? What is it that you wish to see done as a result of the culmination of the process you describe and where would that culmination meet its terminus were it up to you? Do you verily hope to see your race live and thus by necessity lend your support to the sine qua non of its survival - hard and permanent racial separation? If the proper answers to these questions are not furnished by you I see no reason for you to continue commenting on this blog as you would then only be answering the calls of your inner demons. 785
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 23, 2011, 12:31 AM | #
We should be attacking everyone who is not sound on the extermination question! We must force people to choose between morality and White Nationalism! They must also be forced to choose between their religion and White Nationalism! 786
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 23, 2011, 12:42 AM | # Hunter,
Kentucky’s not truly Southern, either. I grow weary of this overused Yankee vs. Reb shtick. In fact, In fact, the whole regional heritage thing can grow tiresome. After all, we would both be less disoriented in a coffee shop in Seattle than we would be in our own hometowns from a century or two ago. You’re a contemporary decadent White American helplessly marinated in modernity. I am, too. I can tolerate Bluegrass and Folk music for brief spells when I’m in the mood. But I grew up in the Grunge, Industrial, and Alternative milieu typical of my generation. That’s my culture. I’m not really happy about it. I wish I were more rooted than I was, and we all pretend to be a bit more rooted than we are. That’s fine. Fake it until you make it. Strive for something exceeding yourself. But the fantasy’s no longer a harmless and romantic escape from our global and manufactured lives when you start attempting to reason within that mythic paradigm and start turning on those who fail to play along with the reenactment. 787
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 12:46 AM | #
A seemingly identical strategy could be that or it could be reverse engineered cultural marxism depending on how it’s used. If a strategy’s aim is to create more radicals then it doesn’t have to succeed at whatever its official stated aim is. Creating more radicals is simply a precursor for a strategy that can win. 788
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 12:51 AM | #
Yeah, but that’s a deeper problem - christ-insanity. And still you’re evading and failing to counter my point. Morality is not some independent abstract thing that is undeniable, in many instances, if not all, it’s a matter of interpretation. Are they civil rights workers? Or jew-led, jew-instigated anti-White troublemakers pursuing a genocidal agenda? You see how easy that is? It is PURELY a function of who controls the media, who gets to define who is who. They simply map on their political concerns to existing mores and, yes, as you say, they fit them to christian morality. Child’s play to cunning kikes. We can’t simply copy what the jew-led nigs did because our cause will NOT be played the same way in the media. We will be played as the bad guys. The evil outside shit-stirrers. I’m not theorizing, the framers interviewing people in Knoxville were taking great pains to ask about where everybody was from so they could make precisely that point. “outsiders bringing trouble.” Media control is damn near everything. What part of that is too hard to figure out? There is no one either good or bad but media makes it so, so to twist. 789
Posted by Captainchaos on September 23, 2011, 12:52 AM | #
I think it not true, Alex, that truth must be adorned with such hideousness that it is rejected by decent men in order for some to hear it at all - and it is those who had perhaps best not hear it anyway for what they would do were it within their power to do it. Nay, the truth must stand on its own and not be shaped to the contours of those with deformed souls who delight in laying hands on it for less than salutary reasons. 790
Posted by FB on September 23, 2011, 01:17 AM | # I still don’t know how polarizing against conservatives, Christians, and White advocates who don’t espouse Linderesque anti-Semitims will help Linder will take over the federal government. (And then what?) Seriously, how many followers does Linder have in the U.S.? Linder still hasn’t explained how his polarizing strategy can only work at the federal level. I don’t know what that means. It makes no sense. It seems like a copout. Linder has been polarizing up at storm on VNNForum for the past ten years, to what effect precisely? He has successfully alienated all pro-White advocates and finds himself completely isolated alone. That being said, I believe that the critique of conservatives as spineless cowards is valid. 791
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 01:20 AM | #
You can’t reverse engineer it without controlling the institutions. I simply don’t even know what to say to people who think our side has the time and ability to long march as the left did. One simply shakes one’s head at the impacted not-getting-itness of that insanity. To succeed at cultural marxism requires a verbal ability our side doesn’t possess. Even if we did the creepin’ ‘n’ sneakin’ ‘n’ hidin’ and got into position…we still wouldn’t know what to do. Look at how many of us use the enemies’ terms unthinkingly. MacDonald uses racism and Holocaust and anti-semitism like they’re meaningful words representing perfectly valid concepts, rather than attacks on the cause he thinks he is defending. If our smartest guys are clueless, are the dumber ones any better? Look…a hostile minority took over this country. It did not do it by voting. It did it by legally and sometimes illegally acquiring the mass media, and simultaneously taking over the money. It uses its immense and growing to create a false reality, a false consensus reality, as has been well said. No “hey kids, let’s put on a show” counter effort is going to defeat that. A lot of you don’t seem to grasp that. The only possible thing that can defeat that is extremely organized, life-and-death loyal opposition. And 90% of you don’t even agree on the necessity of keeping to a political. Some of you, pretending to be us, actually BRAG about being stupid, indoctrinaire, contradictory. Let me tell, my pudgy little friends. The jewish cunt will not fucked with that tiny pecker. And besides that, majority views don’t creep and crustle. They stride and swagger. Obscener than jewish porn, itz, all this stinky slinkin’. Yeah, you’re gonna slick the jews. I have to laugh at that idea. No, no you’re smart enough. The only way to be clever is not to be clever - the approach adopted by the NSM: make no bones about who we are. The NSM may be the wrong party, the wrong men, the wrong time, but its approach, unlike the A3P, is NOT fundamentally wrong. The NSM approach could work. It is not wrong theoretically. The A3P could not work. It is wrong theoretically for the reasons I’ve stated. 792
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 01:23 AM | #
This is where we differ. I’m not talking about morality in a moral sense. I’m saying the mechanism of universal morality is an inbuilt mechanism that is used to create group unity and it has certain rules. The details of the morality can be anything as long as they’re consistent. The details at the time of civil rights were blah blah and those details were violated in the south by Jim Crow. They were violated in the south because they had a solid rationale for doing so based on empirical evidence. This empirical evidence was lacking in other areas and that double standard / logical inconsistency is what the Jewish media played on in those other areas. White people are wired that way. Someone claiming the moral high ground can’t have double standards without a reason that is regarded as reasonable e.g everyone should be allowed to drive a car, reasonable exceptions: children, blind people, unreasonable exception: people with funny ears. (This can be used in reverse of course because the multicult is one big double standard.) It’s not about morality in the right/wrong sense. It’s about morality in the sense that everyone agreeing x is right and y is wrong creates group unity. 793
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 01:32 AM | #
When did your writing get so stilted? You didn’t have the ass-stick when you single-fingeredly slew the unmighty beast that was Twinkimag? Go back to the old way, it was delightful. Now you sound like you’re trying to imitate someone centuries old and constipated. C’mon, man. You’re CHAOS. Get chaotic and shit. Anyway, how does emotional and vicious = hideous? I’m talking about painting with colors. You do it in the EMJ style. Well, not his style, but his outline. You dramatize the particular person (Channon Christian) in the particular time (200X) and place (Knoxville) and the pariticular horror visited on here (too awful to repeat here). And then, per EMJ, you draw it back to the general. You underline the message. You make the motherfuckers, our fellow albino motherfuckers, feel the fluids on their fingers, hear the death moans in their years, see the cut up bodies and burnt bags in their eyes, and smell the rancid niggerstank off th guilty party and see the shifty eyes of the jew downplaying, notcovering and law-facilitating. This is how serious-change politics actually works. But by all means, people are free to waste another 100 years speaking in their indoor voice, raising their niggling finger, and prefacing everything they say with disclaimers. But if you want change, you have to create a national angry groundswell willing to slur and kill and sup on the blood of its enemies, and you don’t get there by appealing to selfish bourgeois cowards. Anger is good for our cause. Reason is merely necessary. One funny thing I throw in in light of the the thread and WTC-D. Funny how the rationables wax wroth when we try to reason out how the jews accomplished, technically, the demolishing of the WTC complex. They grow irritation, dare I say, emotional, in the one place where actual reason just might return extremely huge rewards. I find that ironic in the usual way of things. But no. Teaching people about jews in the bloodless, carefully emotionally controlled academic prose is fine for a book, but not for practical politics. To make CoC’s lessons real, vibrant, meaningful and effective requires someone doing more or less exactly what I said. Only emotion will get us where we need to go. Reason shows the way and the how, but emotion is the means. Only emotion will draw out the loyalty and bravery we need to surmount the odds and the higher brain’s calculation of obstacles. 794
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 01:46 AM | #
We don’t have time for that even if we could which we can’t because they did it as a Pearl Harbor against people who weren’t actively defending while they would be actively defending. BUT The difference is they needed and still need that institutional power because they’re selling poison and that’s hard while we’re selling the cure, which should be easy.
The essence of cultural marxism is simply relentless attack on every critical aspect of the dominant culture until it collapses from exhaustion at which point you can replace it with something else. They required great verbal ability because they were selling poison. We don’t need as much because the multicult is one big genocidal double standard and we’re selling the cure.
I don’t disagree with any of that but the sort of strategy you’re advocating requires numbers so the question is not if the sort of strategy you’re advocating is the only way to (ultimately) win but is it the best or only way to increase the number of stray radicals floating about. I think there’s lots of ways to create more numbers. For people who want to focus on the next stage now so they’ve got something ready to collect any of those new radicals, go for it. 795
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 01:50 AM | #
It’s child’s play to do what you say. I maintain that almost anything can be played one way or another quite plausibly. It’s all how you frame it. Frame it as protecting our womenfolk, not unfairness to monkeys. And look. Even with jews’ vast media power, and going against some of the dumbest white people god ever breathed breath into (don’t laugh South Africans), they STILL had trouble selling it, and had to rely on German Shepherds and military men with rifles and bayonets. It is part of the big lie that Jim Crow was immoral that morality had anything whatsoever to do with race-reversal down there. Rather, morality was used as the cover story for a raw power play. Hymedia turned the ‘struggle’ into a morality play in the form of a handful of novels and movies that indicate to Americans the Correct way to interpret the traditional South and the nigger-privilege movement. Treating niggers differently than whites has never in history been a moral problem to whites because it is self-evident that niggers aren’t white, and to treat them like they are not only offends reason but threatens to destroy white civilization. In fact, if white men had never been infected with the jesus cult, it is highly likely none of this junk ever would have happened in the first place. 796
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 01:57 AM | #
Yeah, but you can’t do that without controlling the high points: the pulpit, the press, the law schools, the academies. Especially not if what you’re preaching is hugely and ridiculously anti-majority.
Yes, that’s true, to an extent. But still the basic problem remains: unless you own the mass media, you’re shouting in the wind. And the jews operating our power institutions are not going to allow themselves to be displaced or infiltrated. Their control mechanism is extremely strong, and their threat-paranoia is impeccable. I really believe that it’s late enough in the day that only a counterforce that begins with soldiers has any serious chance. Or we can’t wait until ZOG collapses of its own internal contradictions, as a marxist would say. But I actually believe if we had even a few hundred, say, veterans, AND THEY STUCK TO A DEFINED POLITICAL LINE AND PURSUED A SOLID STRATEGY they could become a national force in short order. 797
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:05 AM | # Ideology is what American politics hasn’t seen - from the right. Look how well it did for jews coming from the left. And then for the neoconservative jews coming from the right. It will work for us too. Remember the mantra: smart people always undersimplify. Let’s not make that mistake. Our people need know only that jews are bad and Whites are good. Everything the majority of our people hates we peg to the jews, and quite justifiably so. Everything they love we tie to the existence of a racial-oriented state, unlike the rapidly declining POS the jew-communists have made of the great country that was founded by their beloved ancestors. Simple, simple, simple. Emotional, emotional, emotional. Repetitive, repetitive, repetitive. We DON’T control the mass media. That is the most important political fact we face. Like birds in a north wind or salmon headed to spawn, we must face that north wind, that cascading water, directly. Directly is the only way to cut or knife through it and get where we need to go. 3/4 wont do it. 3/4 gets blown over bowled over, sucked under. JUST SAY NO TO CLEVERNESS. 798
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 02:06 AM | #
I could go on a trawl of “anti-racist” sites right now that listed 17th to 19th century quotes about blacks and come back with about 200 rationalizations for treating blacks differently to whites. It might take an hour or two. But i’m not going to bother arguing about this as some people will understand it and some won’t depending on how they’re wired up. I’m just going to state it as a fact. Attacking the double standards and moral inconsistencies of the multicult will reduce it’s power over the audience you’re addressing. (And i’ll bet the list of news links at VNN demonstrate an instinctive understanding of that fact.)
I think it’s a side-effect of out-breeding but you may be right. Either way we are where we are. 799
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 02:11 AM | #
You may be right but you don’t have them. Maybe you will. Maybe something someone else does will dislodge one of them from the mainstream enough for them to wander to VNN and that’s one less you need to find. 800
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:15 AM | #
No. It will not. The leftists already know about the double standards and don’t care. They like seeing white males punished, and love o hear them whining about it. Which is all conservative remonstrating about it amounts to. They’ll just LOL and post their white privilege and white entitlement meme jpgs for the millionth time. If complaining about double standards and unfairness did something we wouldnt be in this mess because that’s all conservatives have ever done. It never has worked and never will work. We’re not in a debate. We’re in a monopoly harangue where we have no loudspeaker and our opponent has 1000. The idea that there is some neutral body of people waiting for Alex P. Keaton to teach them that multicult is wacky and unfair is crazy - any white warehouse worker already knows that. The question is how do you do something about it. For that the conservative has no answer. He just keeps appealing to very power that created the unfairness in the first place. How crazy is that? Like the judeo-left doesn’t know what it’s doing, intend it, and enjoy it? You have to be insane to be a conservative. It’s simply a way to avoid fighting. It’s a euphemism of a political position: we just mass-aggree to operate on the delusion that our enemies are rational and fair-minded folk, even tho a child of 2 could see they’re wicked liars. We don’t need more conservatism, we need a party for serious adults. 801
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 02:18 AM | #
Just to be clear i’ve got nothing against people doing that. If the conditions ever get right then there will be more and more people who want somethign clear and simple like that. 802
Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 02:21 AM | #
I meant the sheeple in the audience. 803
Posted by Trainspotter on September 23, 2011, 02:27 AM | # Linder: “They don’t care about reason or morals, only power. And you don’t have any. That’s why all this talk of secession or separatism or forming Republics is ridiculous.” Any more ridiculous than speaking of world conquest during an era in which we are not allowed so much as a racially exclusive donut shop? We’ve now got well over 100 million non-whites in this country. We have an enemy entrenched in all the high points of cultural and political power. The Jews were able to simply buy up these levers of power, or pursue the long march through the insitutions. We are allowed neither of these options; the doors are closed. There will be no long march for us. So we can’t replicate what the Jews did. We also can’t replicate what the NS did in the twenties and thirties. For all the talk of Weimar decadence and Cabaret style indulgence, Germany was still a fundamentally sound society, at least in the sense that it was 98 to 99 percent white and the broader culture leagues above what we currently endure. They faced a small and rotten alien elite combined with a relative handful of German lickspittles. Smash that small and alien elite (we’re talking a total population of just a few hundred thousand), and you pretty much had a healthy nation again. That’s a long way from where we find ourselves today. While we can take lessons from successful movements of the past (both pro and anti-white), we in many respects are in uncharted waters. We’ve got to figure it out ourselves, because no one has or will do it for us. At the end of the day, I think most serious thinkers agree that there is no peaceful way out of this situation, at least on this continent. That is mere foretelling, not advocacy. Given that situation, the question then becomes how exactly do you motivate enough people to take enough action to gain…enough? Who the hell is signing up for world conquest when we can’t even control a truck stop? At this point, who is signing up even for removing 100 million non-whites from the North American continent? Who is signing up for the polarization strategy, when the end game is….what exactly? We’ve got to come up with something that is at least remotely viable. The idea of the White Republic is an attempt in that direction. If we can turn this into an idea that has legs, that gets some traction, you’ll soon enough get all the polarization that you like. We can critique, deconstruct, and mock our opponents (however they are defined), but unless there is an end result that a lot of people can sign off on and get passionate about, it’s just not going anywhere. And while it falls somewhat short of “world conquest,” a decisive result on the North American continent would be of immense benefit to our kindred peoples in Europe and across the globe. Some form of secession may well be the answer, and at least has the potential to serve as a galvanizing point. Most people won’t fight, or even take risks, over mere vagaries or seemingly impossible scenarios. (religious nuts being an arguable exception here) But if you’ve got something that they can wrap their minds around, then you’re either fer it or agin’ it. That’s your polarization right there, all the polarization that you’ll ever need. It will be obvious, and it will matter. In other words, and for all its faults, our movement has done a pretty damn good job in terms of critique, but it has done very little to offer a tangible way out of our predicament that seems even remotely viable. When people see no way out, can they be blamed for simply keeping their heads low and muddling along as best they can? Goinng along to get along? Can they be blamed for enjoying Buchanan who, giving credit where it is due, is both a good and informative writer? What’s the harm when there is no solution anyway? “Hey, I don’t know where this is going. Maybe Buchanan does!” You speak of polarization, but my argument is that will take care of itself when we solve a more fundamental problem: how to galvanize. There is plenty of physical courage left in our people. Huge numbers are willing to risk life and limb for their country. Hell, the empire can still get and awful lot of people to go off and die in third world shitholes. Our challenge is to develop and spread a vision that people will actually be willing to fight for. We haven’t done that, and until we do, polarization isn’t going but so far. When nothing is worth fighting for, we can either be sewing circle faggots and engage in silly internet drama on the one hand, or we can be gentlemen and agree to disagree on the other hand…but so what? To what end? Until we have a meaningful focal point that really has some traction, it doesn’t matter much one way or the other, at least in the minds of most. 804
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:28 AM | #
They’re not an identifiable bloc of anyone’s at this point. They’re just sort of brainless Republican voters for the most part. But really only a few hundred of them organized and united for our WN position could be a game changer. I am not ideally suited to reach them because of my background, but some cop or ex-military out there is, and can use my ideas to reach them. There’s not a lot that can be done by any one person, but there’s a lot that can be done by a team. 805
Posted by Captainchaos on September 23, 2011, 02:28 AM | #
Sounds more like muckraking than an ideology. National Socialism is an ideology. Pierce’s Cosmotheism is an ideology. The marriage of English Moralism and Heideggerian ontology is, let’s face it, an ideology and not a “philosophy”. 806
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 23, 2011, 02:31 AM | #
Of course it is. It is no different from West Virginia, East Tennessee, Western North Carolina, or North Alabama. It was just one of the areas where the anti-Confederate hillbillies were concentrated who were opposed to slavery. Kentucky was a Jim Crow state like Tennessee. Indiana was the only Jim Crow state in the Midwest.
Matt Parrott of the hillbilly overflow (Kentucky’s Rhineland in South Indiana) imagines that there is such a thing as the “Hoosier Nation” which is strangely wedged between Ohio and Illinois. In reality, The Parrott is just a Cracker like all the other Crackers who live in trailers in Kentucky and West Virginia. lolzlulzlolzlulz Deny all you want that you are not a Cracker, Matt Parrott. There is nothing special about the Crackers of Indiana. Your typical Cracker behavior and your typical Cracker ideology and your typical Cracker lifestyle shows us otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(pejorative)
You walked out of the Cracker Nation. The Parrott ought to be an exhibit in the Cracker Museum. Note: I sent you an email about the Harvard University study on White Nationalism. They are looking for more participants. 807
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:46 AM | #
Polarization is a political strategy…for a group with a purpose. Of course it wants a white country, republic, world, whatever. That part doesn’t matter. We don’t want any one thing, we want as much as we can get. It amounts to the same thing politically. We have to start by organizing in our own name - on a RACIAL basis. That’s what we don’t have now. For crissake, even MACDONALD’S vehicle can’t decide whether it’s openly white or not. It’s like we’re stuck in the revolving door of the halfway house of conservatism and the real world of racialism. The political point any sane White party would recognize is WHITES HAVE NO INTEREST IN POLITICAL ASSOCIATION WITH JEWS OR THE MUDS THEY USE TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, THEREFORE… Therefore they organize on the basis of race. NOT region. Not religion. They seek sovereignty. Sovereignty can take any form, republic isn’t anything that will appeal to people more than anything else, I don’t think. It smacks of wimpy conservatism too, which speaks against it. It also smacks of voting. Voting got us where we are today. Voting systems can be controlled by controlling the menu. The last thing we want is more of that. Yeah, we may work within a corrupt system while we have to, as well as around it, but let’s not refetishize and get ourselves confused with the patriotards and the constitutionalists. 808
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 23, 2011, 02:46 AM | #
Do you hear this? After ten years of VNN Forum, no one in Kirksville has seen Der Linder. Indeed, Der Linder hasn’t had the opportunity yet to reach a nationwide audience with his publication. No one in the clown movement has ever tried “ideology” before.
That’s when you get nailed with the commonsense objection: I know far too many Whites who are bad to believe this ideological line of bullshit. Ideology makes you say stupid things.
That’s been the party line of VNN Forum for ten years now. Der Linder is on The Edge of Glory now.
This was also the Pierce line. The truth is, millions of White people hate Mainstream Media. The polls show that twice as people hate the New York Times as those who take it seriously. Most people don’t want to watch MSNBC or read Newsweek magazine.
In an era when social media is exploding, when Der Linder finally has the tools at this disposal to connect with a mass audience, ideology has him talking about things like Jews Did 9/11, exterminationism, and the cleverness of attacking Christianity and conservatism. Are you telling me the Antichrist strategy hasn’t worked in Kirksville? 809
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 03:04 AM | # What will attract people to invest emotions, money and blood is not any particular political form, it’s the personal qualities of the leaders. Only people who mean it attract other people who mean it. That’s why former communists joined Hitler. They saw he meant it, most of all, and secondarily, they saw that he had better ideas for Germany than his opponents did. Hey, people of white - are you sick of THIS?? (fag, jew, alien, feminist, on on on), well, guess what? the problem is racial. The solution is a nation of whites, free of jews. Free of blacks and browns. What would shock people today? A white man show said what he meant and didn’t back down. No one alive today has ever seen such a thing in politics. A party and movement could be built around such men. A white petticoat party like A3P is not that thing. It’s just more of the IC we’ve already seen. We need to white man up and quit trying to fake everything. 810
Posted by Captainchaos on September 23, 2011, 03:05 AM | #
Yes, I think we got that. Muds bad, Whites good. Okay, but more to Trainspotter’s central plaint, How to galvanize the White masses? According to your tastes the clear answer would seem to be an ideology to galvanize the White few who would do the work of galvanizing the White many with muckraking. And to ensure this took place Hunter would be force-fed his Lithium. 811
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 23, 2011, 03:06 AM | # Hunter,
My book’s available for free online in case anybody wants to fact-check your attempt to portray me as a myopic regionalist buffoon.
Thank you for deconstructing your own paradigm for me. The Appalachian Whites have always been distinguishable from the properly Southern Whites. Taxonomically, there are three distinct breeds of rural American White Trash: rednecks, hillbillies, and cowboys. I’m not denying my country trash heritage, merely clarifying that I’m a hillbilly and not a redneck; a Copperhead and not a Confederate. Southern culture consisted of a sort of neo-feudal and hierarchical civilization. Save for a brief and involuntary Middle Passage from one backward highland to another, my own forefathers remained essentially pre-civilized up until well into the 20th century.
I’ve never denied a damn thing. I grew up on a steady diet of food stamps and private charity. My father grew up on a hog farm, attended a one-room schoolhouse, married his cousin, and worked in the coal mine. My mother was one of seven siblings who grew up in a country shack with a retired pontoon boat for a porch and ragged hand-me-downs as a wardrobe. I patiently humor the eugenicists, elitists, and libertarians in these circles, knowing damn well where I fit in their big picture. I’m one of the crackers Linder and his type love to colorfully disparage and I’ve never once pretended to be anything else. But I’m not a Southern cracker, thank you very much. 812
Posted by Captainchaos on September 23, 2011, 03:30 AM | #
Parrot[t], stop riding the censorship button so hard at TOO. 813
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 23, 2011, 03:32 AM | #
I haven’t touched a comment at TOO in months. 814
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 03:33 AM | #
Ok. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who can verify whether any CMS members are jews.
Whether AmRen was set up that way, became that way at a point, or has been entirely under Taylor’s control the whole time, it has in fact served in exactly the same capacity as John Birch Society, a front group known to false opposition formally controlled by the jews paying Welch’s salary (claimed by Revilo Oliver). AmRen encourages harsh criticism of muslims and blacks, but forbids any criticism of jews and Israel. That is, legal arrangements aside, de facto false-fronting. Taylor is deliberately uncoupling the legal and racial mess in this country from the jews who brought it about, and encouraging whites to blame themselves. Whether jews pay him to do this, or he does it himself of his own volition, makes only a small difference.
Apparently my point is too subtle for your to grasp. I don’t need to know anything about Taylor other than the positions he takes. His positions are illogical and contradictory. For example, he says jews are whites. And whites should blame themselves. But you claim blame jewish whites at AmRen. He further says he doesn’t take positon on the jewish question, but much of his editorial space is taking up with muslim-bashing. Yet, as I said, he will not allow any criticism of jews. When it comes to race, he’s against open border, but he’s also against printing the fact that jews alone drove the 1965 immigration act that opened them. When it comes to solutions, he demands the restoring of free association, but never mentions it was organized jewry that destroyed that civil right in the name of civil rights. Boy, he’s a bait can full of slippery contradictions to anyone with a working mind. Greg Johnson’s mind usually works pretty well. It goes on tilt when it comes to Taylor. What could account for that? It is reasonable to suspect that personal affection accounts for it. Particularly when in this very bit Johnson says I can’t judge Taylor because I don’t him personally. But you don’t need to know someone personally to judge them when you have their contradictory words in front of you, alongside their proven record over time.
Being a stickler for such details is not mere academic pedantry. At present, our movement is confined to the internet and our only real strength is our credibility, which we have to preserve carefully, especially since we are already so heavily handicapped by trolls, whether calculating or merely psychotic, and webmasters who give them free reign. 815
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 03:38 AM | #
I agree. That’s why intelligent men should not let a fraud try to get away with claiming he separates the jewish question from the nigger question, which is as ridiculous as separating the dancing monkey with the cup from the organ grinder. 816
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 04:00 AM | #
Take over tv and broadcast non-stop “Knoxville Burnings.”
It isn’t my tastes but my perception of fact. I could be wrong, but it’s certainly not MY tastes. If my tastes had anything to do with it, the masses would be attracted by witty vicious essays, and stimulated by them to go out and make the world anew. Turns out it doesn’t work like that - with the masses. You need tv. I didn’t say video, either. A video on youtube with a million views is still not tv. You need tv.
You may intend something witty with ‘muckraking’ I can’t quite make out, but the rest seems close. Yes - if you don’t have tv, and we don’t, nor have we any prospects in near-medium future, then best you can do is come up with strategy and sell it to winter patriots. Make the DIFFICULTY of the cause the appeal, if appeal you must have. That’s how you attract the few and the strong. Once you have those, and I think a few hundreds would be enough to get it started, as long as you had a good number of vets in there, I think it would snowball, even without tv. I think if this group were following the strategy I indicate - a very simple and clear one - you could quickly attain national proiminence as the one group that actually means it, apart from the jews. You remember that video of Sean Hannity shitting himself when verbally accosted by a Ron Paul fan? Well, what if you had White Party activists doing that routinely? And they were veterans? How long do you think it would take to become a thing? Men who actually organize around (white) race - the thing that scares the establishment the most - and who wont back down when called racialists? I suggest to you that the minute words gets round that one of THOSE is back in town, then it just might take off. And if that happens, you begin to get the point where that sitting judge is, let’s say, less likely to obstruct the will of the democratic majority for simple animal fear of his own ass.
Forcing him to use his real name would probably serve him better, but boy, I’d rather give a ten rabid cats a bath than attempt that. What would Andrew Jackson and John Calhoun think of this fudgy mountebank speaking in the Confederacy’s name? 817
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 04:31 AM | #
That is some downhomeright jesuslike forbearance there, Parrot. I’m going to shake a snake for you at the next camp meeting. A snake, Parrott. A snake! Not a coral snake, though. They bite. Well, not so much bite, more like grind away with intent. Got to be careful of those things. Small but deadly.
Now, if you were a clever cracker, you’d be turning that home-made woe into a pontoonful “Coat of Many Colors,” like br’eressa Parton did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1zJzr-kWsI In all pseudo-honesty, the distinction between cracker and redneck is lost on me, altho I am a multi-time reader and big-time fan of James Goad’s “Redneck Manifesto.” No-necked dirt-eaters is the best go-after for low-rent rurals, regardless of elevation. 818
Posted by Trainspotter on September 23, 2011, 05:15 AM | # “Okay, but more to Trainspotter’s central plaint, How to galvanize the White masses?” Just to clarify, I’m not necessarily locked into the masses thing, although of course that would be great. I’m simply saying, how do we galvanize “enough” people to achieve a particular objective? For example, you wouldn’t necessarily have to galvanize the broad masses in order to achieve a White Republic in a fairly limited territory. It’s kind of a take off on form follows function. Right now, we don’t have a tangible goal, so we have no idea how many people are actually need to achieve it, much less how to go about getting them. This of course leads to ridiculous demands to “Do Something!” even if that something is utterly pointless and involves no payoff for the cause whatsoever. My position is that we need to evolve out of this rudderless, aimless approach. Until that happens, white nationalism online will continue to offer occasional gems, more than occasional sewing circles and drama, and a goodly portion of dancing angel debates thrown in for good measure. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for intellectual white nationalism online. I see it as a critical component of what must be done. I’m simply pointing out that, until we have a more tangible goal that is capable of galvanizing people (how many? enough to achieve the particular goal in question), not much is going to come of it. Once we get serious about the all white and Jew-free ethnostate, it will rapidly become a matter of are you fer it or agin’ it. In my view, this issue should be forced within the fairly near future. 819
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 05:34 AM | #
Yes. It’s the special horror of Catholicism. It simply defines the jew problem (the race problem) out of existence. But that doesn’t mean the problem goes away. It just means the catholic can’t acknowledge it. It also means that the catholic is the practical as well as theoretical enemy of the man who isn’t afraid to acknowledge it. The racist is ‘immoral’ according to the Pape and his disskirted lessers. It might be noted by the uncharitable among us like me that Catholic charities make gobs of geld shifting races around the world like M&Ms;well settled in any bowl. As Philip Dick said, reality is that which doesn’t go away when you stop believing in it. By that standard race is real and jesus isn’t. Catholicism is fundamentally and unavoidably anti-White because it denies reality. It was the white discovery of the connection between cause and effect it has been the catholic work of 2,000 uears to undiscover; race is but one example of the noxious cult’s nescience. Even so, note in those three men the power of emotion to overcome reason, per my claim. Nary a one of them dares apply the principles of conservatism to their church; it probably never occurs to them. Why? Because their emotions are tied up in the church, and a man’s heart follows his nostalgia. Maybe Patsy Decline wore a beautiful Easter Bonnett to mass back in 1957. Perhaps Sobran felt a matthews shiver down his leg to the reverberation of a Bach “Passion” chord in some stone holy. Mere reality can never down a pretty story, and that’s true with smart men as well as dumb. 820
Posted by Matt Parrott on September 23, 2011, 05:43 AM | # Linder,
In an upright world, fancy pedigreed men like yourself would have one heel on the Jew’s neck and the other heel on mine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zplc4Ienkws&ob=av2e
This JQ requires the talent of an experienced snake handler. http://delightsome.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/taking-up-serpents/ I got this.
Cracker encompasses both hillbillies and rednecks. The operative difference between those two taxa in this context is that the redneck is by his nature a racial supremacist frustrated by the negro’s failure to abide by the caste protocol imposed by the region’s long-vanquished elite. The Jewish Problem, the Mexican invasion, reciprocal ethnic nationalism, and the talk of an ethnostate—contemporary White Nationalism—are all distractions from the cardinal insult to their worldview: The darkies are getting uppity! Blacks are running America! They often appear like White Nationalists to the untrained eye, but consider migration and geographical segregation fantastical and unthinkable. They are therefore committed to the same fate that befell the Brahmans, Rhodesians, South Africans, White Latin Americans, Pharaohs, and countless other White populations which attempted in myriad ways to retain their power and identity in their multi-racial societies. Not all Southern racialists are of this persuasion. The more thoughtful ones have recognized the necessity of White Nationalism. But I assert that it’s the starting point and inclination of the group. 821
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 23, 2011, 05:58 AM | #
Matt believes there is such a thing as a “Hoosier Nation.” Why isn’t there a Midwestern nation? Probably because the Midwest isn’t a nation. Indiana isn’t a real state: it is Cracker nation, Nation of Immigrants, and Yankeeland. The difference between Illinois and Ohio, on the one hand, and Indiana on the other, is that there are proportionally more Crackers there.
LOL, you see, I have managed to touch the Cracker nerve. I did that to show that The Parrott is a Cracker like all the rest of the hillbillies in Kentucky and West Virginia. He is part of the Cracker Nation.
There are hillbillies everywhere there is hill country, Cracker Parrott. There are Crackers in Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, etc. There are hills and mountains in Arkansas in the Ozarks which is another Cracker heartland. The great Martin Lindstedt hails from there.
That was until the Parrott clan… moved 50 miles from Louisville. Then, you see, the Cracker Nation was left behind on the other side of the Ohio River. Matt’s trailer was superior to all the other Cracker trailers in Kentucky and West Virginia. It was an existentially different trailer.
Shh ... you better keep quiet about this before Captainchaos finds out. 822
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 23, 2011, 06:07 AM | #
It has never occurred to Matt that “White Nationalism” is Crackerism, Cassius Clay-ism, Free Soilism and various other heresies from Kentucky and Virginia. This is straight out of Hinton Helper’s The Impending Crisis of the South. How do you think Kentucky got to be so White? 823
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 06:25 AM | #
I’ve been wondering that myself. What’s crawled up your posterior passage, Captain? In the last two years I’ve seen your style stiffen like ... well into a bad imitation of a dead Englishman to be honest. I never saw the legendary Taki take-down — let me know if anyone has it saved. 824
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 23, 2011, 06:26 AM | #
Well, my own controversial theory is that first you have to be able to communicate with them, and realistically that means setting aside your fantasy ideology, coming across as normal and reasonable, and trying to find some common ground with people in your own community, which is not really a difficult task when you consider that most of our positions have become quite “centrist” in recent years.
It is a vanguardist strategy ... which comes from the “avant-garde” ... which has always been about twisting the noses of the middle class for the thrill of doing so, the thrill of being involved in a counter-culture ... rebelling against society for no real reason other than to express your own individualism. How does the vanguard (i.e., the avant-garde, aka the clown movement) persuade ordinary White people to join their cause? That has never been the plan. Der Linder has made it clear that anyone who disagrees with the litmus test of exterminationism is the enemy.
The clown movement marginalizes itself for purely ideological reasons ... why do you suppose they march around in Knoxville and Milwaukee wearing costumes with thirty different flags? It is about acting out a fantasy in the public square. It is about what is going on in the mind of the fantasist, not about the reaction of the public at large. If the public was taken seriously as an audience, this would require a healthy dose of realism, and strategies and tactics appropriate to addressing a largely Christian and conservative audience. My insane idea was to nudge conservatives in a more racial direction ... which shouldn’t be hard when over 50 percent of Whites in Alabama and Georgia are already racial conservatives. 825
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 06:35 AM | #
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Posted by Matt Parrott on September 23, 2011, 06:38 AM | #
Neither my book nor my words on this comment thread invite the accusation that I consider my trailer park in Indiana (presuming I still lived in it) superior to or especially different from the trailer parks of Kentucky and West Virginia. 827
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 23, 2011, 06:40 AM | # If only Ernst Nolte was more widely know in the UK. 828
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 06:47 AM | #
me 2 !! lolzozlzozlzlzllzlz excpte being a true-blue yanqui i find all bleugrass profoundly fucking obxnooiisus as der linder finds bagpipez lozlzozlzlzlz remember when he said he would outlaw bagpuipez lozllzl <3<3 hey parrott cd u kindly stop BUTTHEXING ppl who wish 2 read u by offrering yr book in pdf—pdf, the takeaway of data formats l;ozlzlzlz 829
Posted by Dasein on September 23, 2011, 07:03 AM | # Somehow, I feel like I am the one who is off-topic Good debate here on the meta-political issues.
So it would just roll off the end of the tower? Like I said, these types of arguments about what should or had to happen, coming from people who are not structural engineers or even physicists (are you?) don’t impress me. I think they’re meaningless.
What I meant is looking for all the newest evidence and counter-evidence. This debate is not going to end anytime soon. I stopped following it with much interest some time ago. When Harrit’s paper came out, I looked to see whether it was the ‘nail in the coffin’ and I found that people were still making, what appeared to me, justified criticisms about the conclusions they drew and how, even if it were true, nanothermite was used for CD. You’re confusing ignorance and agnosticism. I am an informed agnostic. I have looked at the evidence. Whether you like it or not, people won’t always come to the conclusions you do.
Indeed. I recommend that anyone interested in 9/11 be skeptical of all claims and look into them for yourself. There’s a lot of garbage being peddled from all sides. BTW, you have made the claim several times that the hijackers are still alive. Are you familiar with the counter-evidence for that claim presented here?
Not so much a vote-determines-truth type, as someone who thinks that the statements of people who are expert in complex domains mean much more than those of laymen. I don’t think the AE911 signers are saying it was necessarily a controlled demolition with nanothermite. Rather, it’s a petition for a new investigation. And how many of those are actual building structural engineers? I am also curious how many people have refused to sign. In fact, the petition without that number is less meaningful. I actually asked 2 architects (one a friend, another someone I met on a plane, of all places) whether they considered that collapse was possible based on the ‘official’ causes (plane impact + office fires) and they both said it was. Not that I consider their statements as proof either, but I remember being surprised by how quickly and confidently they came to that conclusion and stuck to it (I also presented arguments commonly used in the debate—e.g. no steel highrise had ever collapsed from fires, limited damage to the fireproofing).
There have been public debates between both sides. Not in the MSM (9/11 Truth is hardly covered anymore, from what I know), but you can find them on the internet or radio. 830
Posted by Dasein on September 23, 2011, 07:28 AM | #
I find it hard to believe you don’t think jews would ever plan ahead.
The audio from the events is not consistent with the use of high-explosives like C4/RDX in a CD. It’s strange that Jones also suggests that high-explosives could have been used in combination with nanothermite.
Actually, I think his paper that made him famous among debunkers suggests that it would be possible. It looked at the energy imparted from the top block to the lower section, IIRC. Basically, once collapse (or crushing/crunching/whatever) started it was inevitable and total.
That’s interesting. I have a friend, science guy, who e-mailed me a while back and said he’d just watched a video of Building 7 and said it was a CD. I told him, “Yeah, there’s never been a good explanation as to what happened there. There’s actually a book published recently about it [reference to Griffin’s newest book].”. His response: “I don’t have to read any book- that was a controlled demolition.” 831
Posted by Dasein on September 23, 2011, 07:40 AM | # JR, You like to consider motivations and the jewish angle. Let me ask you this: have you ever considered that the truth movement’s almost exclusive focus on CD might be an attempt to send 9/11 Truth down a blind alley or into a tar pit? Who was the most prominent truther pushing controlled demolition before Jones? He might not have originated the idea (was that Hufschmid?), but he was, rightly or wrongly, the most highly-regarded truther supporting the CD hypothesis. And, from what I undertsand, he was a jew: Jim Hoffman. He’s the one whose videos got Jones started. Have you ever considered that the focus on CD might be something that the 9/11 perpetrators would find good? Personally, I don’t think this is the case. I think all the people involved were genuine and motivated by their desire for the truth. I’m curious what you think, as I’m sure you’ve considered all angles. 832
Posted by Lew on September 23, 2011, 11:27 AM | # Alex Linder: My perception as a neutral is that you have been getting clobbered with variations on this rebuttal: “your polarization plan has had ten years to work.” In terms of the nuts and bolts implementation of your strategy, not the logic behind it, have you written on VNN how you see it coming together at a practical level? The men, the recruitment, the infrastructure for a national org that can challenge organized Jewry and the US Federal government—two of the most powerful entities in the world—how could you possibly even begin to assemble those things without Bill Gates / George Soros money? 833
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 12:05 PM | # 833 comments. Are we in sight of the big 1 0 0 0 ?
Never, in my x years of reading everything Alex has written, have I seen him speculate on that. Why? Because there is no practical level for what he proposes. His writings have infinite hortatory value, are logically solid, wonderful literature, funny as the devil himself, — and practically useless. Once one has transcended a certain level of disagreement with the crowd, as Alex has done, one passes into the purely negative; all idols shattered, bones of contention ferociously crushed in the maw of pitiless realism, the marrow sucked up and spat out in the face of errant daydreaming loveydovey humanity — there is no praxis of that, with all the rightness in the world. He has impaled us all on the pole of his black flag, where we squirm and wonder how to convince people to join us. Then he laughs and says, Ye prissy fags! only billion-dollar capital investments and media ventures can save us now! in the meantime stfu and submit to my raillery! Plenty of things can be demonstrated logically and yet be impossible to carry out because they depend on factors, resources and circumstances, not under the control of the logician. 834
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 12:13 PM | # Or as I expressed it two years ago — “White nationalism fails because it takes place in a vacuum, utterly without anchor in the real world. It has therefore no application in the real world, of which it is only an abstraction.” There is no Archimedes’ lever to lift us out of it. Do not turbare Aleximede’s circulos. 835
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 23, 2011, 12:16 PM | # I notice a good bit of discussion upthread dealing with class structure among White Americans. There is also some discussion of the Clown Movement, which I interpret primarily as a reference to the activities of National Socialist Movement. It’s no secret that NSM is largely composed of lower class Whites. Neither should it come as any surprise to learn that the media goes out of its way emphasize this aspect. Neither is it surprising to observe that among self-professed racialists, those who have worked the hardest to escape the stigmata of lower class origins are the least willing to associate themselves with lower class racialists. In my opinion, this amounts to nothing less than class warfare within White Nationalism and will likely evaporate when the majority of us are reduced to poverty, but we might be able to expedite the process by immediately resolving, on a personal level, whether we are bottom line racialists or class warriors. For those of us who discover ourselves to be bottom line race warriors, I suggest we “be the change we want to see in the world”. Take every opportunity to add the dignity of your personal presence to the efforts of lower class White racialists. This will increase the difficultly of the media’s effort to selectively present only the ugliest and most illiterate of examples. This is admittedly a labor intensive endeavor, but it can be interspersed with the amusing pastime of getting back online and making ruthless sport of conservative whippin’ boys who pose as racialists. 836
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 12:29 PM | #
All that need be done to display the low class of your associates is to hold up a camera and press “record”. I recognize it is a social outlet for you, so you defend it, and their intentions are not bad, but lines must be drawn. For example, at kilts and sieg-heiling. There are better methods of inducing cogitus interruptus in the herd. Here’s some douchebag music, Lorin Partridge, at some douchebag anti-war rally:
“WAR IS GROOVY” — how many went home scratching their heads at that vs. those who show up at NSM rallies in clown costume to jeer? Some art is required. 837
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 12:33 PM | #
CaptainChaos showed that rational questions + persistence in very short order takes the piss of the sad mawkish pretense that is the faileoconism.Quick retreat to shut up and go away no? i’ll make you, end discussion. No more comments. It was the stinky old jew Gottfried who ended debate at Takimag. Of course, the posers at alt-right have no problem working with jew Gottfried. If you’re neither fish nor fowl you’re foe. Yeah, another example of the one-way street that is the pale right’s dealings with jews. They subsidize, flatter and fawn over their controllers, namely jew Gottfried; in return they are enjoined to observe the same taboos the neo-jews insist on. Bla me WASPs! Blame managers! Never blame jews! - the sum of Gottfried’s intellectualizing.
I’m verhetzing as fast as i can, boss. Itz not easy being cheesy, as a famous cartoon kangaroo informed us, and I have found to be true. 838
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 01:00 PM | # *musician
It won’t be “Oh look some NSM people, I’d better go team up with them” — it will be every household acting on the irrational but ready presumption that attempting to make a fortress of their own living space is the best line of defense against predatory elements. In the end, either one will have a natural food resource, and basic means to defend it and one’s person, or one will have not, and seek out whoever’s nearest with such resources. In that event ideology will not serve survival. Even Adolf is said to have donned a hammer & sickle armband when the Spartacists prowled the barracks. 839
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 01:15 PM | # Another thing — when / if such comes to pass, expect to find white families taking in fatherless black and mulatto strays at every corner, and blacks dumping their children for precisely this reason. Expect black youths also to comes in two groups: Predators and Hopeful Parasites. The majority, aggressive males, will be those banging on your door; but milder males and females will learn submissive postures lost since Abolition to be accepted into nuclei and draw on their resources, with whites only too happy (soft & stupid) if somewhat reluctant to oblige. Many, whites having at last to admit their uselessness when forced to really cohabit, will then be cast out like puppies after Christmas and become predatory, or will form their own savage nuclei to effect predatory action against white nuclei and stragglers. All in all, no place for lozlozlzlzlzlzlz, nor Tourette’s-like shouting of WAT PARR!!! 840
Posted by Lew on September 23, 2011, 01:48 PM | # @Desmond Jones RE: History shows that Jews without fail took the lead on all that is anti-White but they never acted alone… You made this point much further up the page that this fact will always problematize and complicate any attempt to directly attack Jews. Jews have never acted alone. While this characterization is accurate in some ways, there is also a serious error there (IMO) that distorts much of the WNist analysis on identifying effective ways to attack Jews. Keep in mind there are three corners to elite Jewry’s power triangle: 1 - Mass Media 2 - Banking / Finance 3 - The Political System (government, legislatures, the judiciary, judges, etc.). Jews have actually only received cooperation from and / or bribed White Gentiles into selling out in area # 3: Politics. Jews are so wildly over-represented in the power positions for #1 and #2 that it’s absolutely clear that Jews are the ones riding herd on and pushing the White genocide agenda. Therefore. a rational and founded assault on Jewish power needs to start by drawing some important distinctions on how Jews wield that power. We should begin by immediately conceding that Jews have NOT acted alone in area # 3 and characterize the White Gentiles who have worked with them in area # 3 as traitors to their own people. This will immediately insulate us from all charges of Jew obsessiveness, oversimplification, conspiracy theorizing, inaccurately portraying Jews as omnipotent, and unfairly maligning Jews when others are to blame as well. It would be an acknowledgement of both the truth and the complexity of the picture. We simply concede up front that Jews had indispensable help from elite White Gentiles—but only in ONE CORNER of the power triangle that sustains the dominant culture. Consider the 1965 immigration act for example. Jews were the principal architects of it, but it was ultimately codified into law with help from Ted Kennedy, LBJ and other elite White Gentiles. So we simply acknowledge this and then move on to other important parts of the picture. It was Jews in Hollywood and the national media, using power that Jews alone wielded, that nurtured the cultural climate that convinced naive Whites the ‘65 act was a good idea. And it was Jews who created the climate that made opposing the law—and complaining about it to this day—seem like support for Nazism (or more accurately the Jews’ caricature of NS). This is how I would approach it. Develop memes that explain how the power triangle sustains the dominant culture, and then focus the attacks on corners # 1 and # 2 where elite Jewry can be conclusively shown to be acting alone against White interests, while acknowledging Gentile complicity in # 3. 841
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 01:54 PM | #
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Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 01:56 PM | # WAIT WAIT, THIS ONE is even weirder 843
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 23, 2011, 02:30 PM | # Alex, you are going beyond the data, because Taylor’s words and deeds admit of more than one interpretation. Sure, he could be operating a false flag. But he also might believe that it is important to separate the race issue from the Jew issue so as to make it more digestible to brainwashed, insecure Americans, to lessen Jewish opposition to his message, and the like. I know the guy well enough to conclude that the latter is, in fact, the correct interpretation. That you persist in slinging your line even though you are in no position to know that it is true indicates a level of cynicism and indifference to truth that is discreditable. The same is true of your claim that CMS contains Jews. You are in no position to know whether such a statement is true or not, yet you threw it out there anyway. Why? Don’t you care about the truth? Jews can afford to be indifferent to truth because they have power. We can’t because we are Aryans, and our minds don’t work that way. And even if they did, we do not have the power necessary to get away with it. I don’t in fact know if CMS now contains Jews. But when I was part of CMS, they did not make Jews members as a matter of policy. But there is no telling how far an organization helmed by Hunter Wallace’s patrons Sam Dickson and John Gardner could have sunk in the past year and a half. Dickson is the source of the line set out by Gardner which I refuted in my piece “Why Conservatives STILL Can’t Win,” http://www.counter-currents.com/2010/12/why-conservatives-still-cant-win/ namel,y that we should NOT name the Jews, but simply confine ourselves to anodyne whining about “double standards” based on “skin color” and hope that the Jews overreact or trip and fall when they come to cut our throats. I know from bitter personal experience that Dickson and Gardner are fool and scum enough to actually turn CMS into a kind of Masonic control mechanism that seeks to skim off and neutralize or corrupt the best elements of the racialist, Jew-wise right in America. That’s what CMS actually does: it draws in good people, then wastes their time and money, counsels them to pull their punches, keep their heads down, and above all, devote their lives to making money. And it hands over their identities to Fade the Butcher. But the more plausible explanation for that is simple incompetence, weakness, and lack of vision, combined with cowardice and selfishness. Having observed Sam Dickson for more than 10 years, the one overriding goal I discern in all of his activities is a narcissistic need for attention. Dickson’s mission is accomplished as long as he can gather a captive audience to humor him through one more repetition of his stories and witticisms (some of which he used to attribute to other people, but as they died off or retired to Florida, he began claiming them as his own). Don’t get me started on the sing-alongs. 844
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:32 PM | #
The ICs have much intellectual understanding, no political understanding, and a positively feminine concern with how they look to others. I’ll answer it for you, ICs. You look ridiculous with your dithering over whether it’s bad manners to stick up for your race directly. Of course it is. If only you had the concern for the white man you have for white manners. 845
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:42 PM | #
No, sir, you do not know that. It is not a matter of knowledge, it is a matter of interpretation, and the facts of Taylor’s actual behavior and effect are what I say, not what you say. Taylor lies about his position on jews, as I’ve demonstrated. He’s even willing to break his own rules about gentlemanliness where jews are the scofflaws. They may insult David Duke with spitting curses, but Jared won’t call them on it. He’ll denounce the anti-semites. Your whole opinion of him, as I said and as you have showed here, is based on your personal liking of him, whereas my opposition to him is based on his behavior, his statements, and proven historical models that parallel his efforts via AmRen. Which efforts I would not characterize as a false front, not really, because he’s basically pretty open about what he’s doing. He counts on his personal charms to override ideological opposition, and, in your case and the cases of others, it’s obviously enough. It doesn’t work on me, though, because my politics are not based on who I like and hate but on the consistent application of solid principles.
My behavior toward the Polished Turd is perfectly consistent with my political principles and will continue to be. 846
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 23, 2011, 02:46 PM | # Alex, I am sure you are always consistent with your principles. Unfortunately, your principles include being indifferent to the truth. That makes you a detriment to our cause, and all the witticisms in the world will not compensate for that. 847
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:53 PM | #
Planted axiom is that one must be in position (on all fours in front of him?) to judge Turd’s intentions, effects, behavior, positions, politics. Your axiom is wrong.
I do care. I thought someone had said there were. Perhaps I got that wrong, and it was only jew-apologists like the Taylor you’re defending who are part of CMS. Anyway, I will retract the claim until I have proof. I would say that i reading around among the Regnery sites, if you see the founding statements of NPI, which is a good proxy for CMS, you have it loaded with jew apologists like Taylor and outright jews - Stix and Rubenstein. So if there are technically no jews in CMS, which I do not assert, it remains true that there are certainly multiple people in CMS who are jew apologists and, in the case of The Turd, jew employers. 848
Posted by Dasein on September 23, 2011, 02:55 PM | #
GW did once refer to JR as the comments magnate. Not even The Indian/Chinese IQ puzzle has that many comments (496 atm). Some years back, while doing some evening shopping, I was overtaken in the Altstadt of a German city by a Fackelzug of ~50 young men in Feldgrau military uniforms. It was some commemorative event, with a band joining them in the town square. Antifa types were in the crowd heckling them. That moment when the first briskly marched torches came around the corner is one I’ll never forget. I’d only had a few seconds to guess what the approaching thuds portended. Have you seen this movie? (The creature at the beginning is his girlfriend, who he’s found out is cheating on him.) 849
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 02:56 PM | #
Cheap lie on your part. Well, you want to learn the hard way, you will. By opening up to jew-helpers like Polished Turd Taylor you are doing more damage than you know - both to yourself and to the cause you think you’re serving. No loyalty. If our race goes down, that’s what belongs on the tombstone. 850
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 03:10 PM | #
I request MOB comment on whether there are jews in CMS, to her knowledge. Why do you consider Gardner scum? And what is MacDonald’s role in all this? Are they playing up to him by making him the hero, or is he a driving force in setting policies for the thing? Just who is directing it and to what end? What would have to be done to make CMS worthwhile, or is that impossible? 851
Posted by MOB on September 23, 2011, 03:11 PM | # It’s distressing that the subject of Jared Taylor: is he or isn’t he, or does he or doesn’t he, is still or again being discussed. Back in January of 1999, when many of us were on both the original (not the present) amren elist and the cofcc elist, a huge problem arose when it was suggested by one of the contributors that David Duke, campaigning for Congress, should run for President in 2000 on a Buchanan/Duke ticket. I remember suggesting it be a Duke/Buchanan ticket instead. Two sides rapidly developed, pro-Duke and anti-Duke. Some of the antis were Jewish, but some, like John Killian (dispensationalist Christian) were not. The thrust, though, was that there are “valuable Jewish members” of CofCC and Amren—more valuable than Duke, who they would not want to associate with, and who would turn outsiders against the groups. The outcome was that BOTH of the heretofore very active and quite high quality lists were closed down, the same day, supposedly because of high traffic, but really because of the Duke affair. This was 1999, seven years before the Duke-Hart episode at the 2006 AR meeting, after which JT sent out his formal letter, which I think I mentioned earlier in this thread or the Elitism thread. Washington Post reporter Thomas Edsall, who was like an attack dog on CofCC, writing reams on Barr and other candidates who had attended “supremacist” meetings, wrote a summary of the affair here: http://www.ferris.edu/isar/institut/CCC/edsall5.htm So this is very old stuff being rehashed here. CofCC isn’t mentioned as much today, but it’s one of the group that is at the moment the face of WN as revealed at the NPI weekend. I and several others broke away from AR and formed a small group around WIN, the Western Imperative Network, where the subjects of Christianity and Jews again created division. Oh yes—and, of course, feminism. God, what a yawn that is for me. 852
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 03:22 PM | #
I may mock die Glatzen but never to their faces while I was there. I passed a few good nights with some loyal boys of Dresden Altstadt as well. Remarkably convivial to an American of (then obvious) Mediterranean background. Which reminds me of something I read a long long time ago — a very cheap novel about a Turkish girl and skin who ~*fall in love*~. This seems to be a recurring theme in German media. And that ties in to the omnipresent “Keine Sex Mit Nazis!” sign and the like. So the skinhead is set up as a jilted lover whose patriotic affiliation arises entirely from base motive. “No sex with Nazis”, as though it weren’t obvious with whom one goes to bed, is code for: We withhold humanity from nationalists.
LOL. I wonder how many Holocaust memoirs contain that very line. Perhaps as the sole kernel of truth in piles of steaming self-dramatization! 853
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 03:31 PM | #
Yeah, he likes to hear himself talk. Like every other lawyer ever heard of. Do you realize you have accused every single person you’ve had a falling out with of being a narcissist? 854
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 03:37 PM | # @Greg Johnson Jared Taylor “could be operating a false flag”? You mean false front. Let’s grant the benefit of the doubt and assume that it’s “important to separate the race issue from the Jew issue so as to make it more digestible to brainwashed, insecure Americans, to lessen Jewish opposition to his message, and the like.” Considering Taylor’s intelligence and education, he should know that bringing Jews into the NPI or Amren will be disastrous. They need to be kept out. And how does one do this without being seen as “anti-Semitic”? Simple. Maintain cordial relations with some Jews on an individual basis, donate to the Holy Hoax museum, remain silent on the Jews, saying I don’t know, and establish an organization for white Christians or northern Europeans, which Jews have no business being in. To those who might object that the proposal isn’t sufficiently inclusive, white Christians or northern Europeans far exceed the number of Jews. Organize well and some good results will be forthcoming. But what does Taylor do? He invites Jews into the organization, has them as featured speakers, promotes their books or arguments that are clearly deceptive, and excludes those who aren’t comfortable with Jews. So there you go. Like Linder said, Taylor’s behavior’s so transparent that he’s hardly running a false front. It’s a false front only for the naive. 855
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 03:42 PM | # @Dasein Regarding whether it would just roll off the end, in the hypothetical scenario where you sever all support columns, where’s the top going? Not straight down, which’s the path of greatest resistance (you don’t have to have a Ph.D. in physics to understand some fundamental principles of nature). On this matter, you can look at the video of the south tower coming down. The top tilts, starts to fall and starts pulverizing into dust in mid-air! You can’t tell what the hell’s going on? If you can’t then don’t debate it. I can understand people not coming to the same conclusions as me, but I can’t understand why an informed agnostic would strongly maintain that the truth can’t be determined while focusing on casting doubt on my ideas but not the official version. If you were an informed agnostic you’d present the shortcomings of both sides and argue that the picture’s equivocal, which you’re not doing. Regarding a lot of garbage being peddled from all sides, it’s overwhelmingly coming from one side. The Jews behind the official version and the kosher controlled-opposition 9/11 Truth movement; these aren’t different sides. 856
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 03:46 PM | # @Dasein Concerning the rebuttal to claims that some of the hijackers were found alive, notice their arguments. They repeat, on every page, that Saudi Arabia confirmed the identity of 15 hijackers, but all this proves is that they were identified as Saudi citizens, not that they were involved in the hijackings or that they’re all deceased. The Saudis even say that the families were notified after it was determined that 15 of the named hijackers are Saudi citizens. Imagine your loved one is named as a dead hijacker in a foreign nation. What would be the first thing you’d do? Contact your government and demand that they verify, but it’s the government that notifies the families a while after the incident! Notice that they’re forced to acknowledge that many of the named individuals had had their passports stolen. They’re also forced to acknowledge that okay, a person matching the name, place, job and DOB of a dead hijacker was found living, but then go into apologia, say, the person’s picture doesn’t match the hijacker’s shown by the FBI! This is complete B.S. So how did the FBI mix and match in such cases? And then they come up with nonsense that the identity of a dead hijacker (Saeed al-Ghamdi) was confirmed by comparing the fingerprint on his visa application with that found in the remains of flight 93! If you notice the alleged wreckage of flight 93, there’s no evidence that you’re looking at the remains of a plane that crashed, and if these are the plane’s remains, then the plane must’ve been blown to smithereens before it reached the ground. We’re asked to believe the tale of a fingerprint match by an FBI that refuses to release any video surveillance of the hijackers or other passengers of the hijacked planes placing them at the airports where the flights took off from, has the visa application of the hijacker but releases details that match most of the information of a living person, releases alleged visa applications that have so many mistakes that most of them shouldn’t have been processed in the first place, comes up with a fireproof passport of a dead hijacker near the WTC wreckage, and so on. How can any rational person buy this? Notice that sometimes they rely on Al-Qaeda videos, when Al-Qaeda is completely phony Jewish fiction (see the compilation I put up). Some of their Arab sources are presumably fake and thus they make the argument that the witness isn’t very reliable because his early and later testimony contradict (e.g., Atta’s father), and when the matter could be decisively settled by interviewing the person on videotape and showing it to the world, the Jews say that Atta’s father praised the 2005 London bombings and demanded $5,000 for an interview, which they declined because Atta’s father wanted to use this money to finance more London-style attacks! So these maggots have an excuse to not settle the matter by interviewing, on video, the families of the 19 hijackers. It goes on an on like this. How can anyone cite this garbage? And notice that I don’t have the burden of proof here. The burden’s those who maintain that 19 Arabs did it. They don’t even have airport surveillance videos! 857
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 23, 2011, 03:50 PM | # Jews are brought into the organization. This has only ONE meaning: AR is a jewish operation. 858
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 03:55 PM | # Anyone notice that the people who are all about being moderate, reasonable, factual, indoor-voiced, the rest of the middle-class stuffed animal memes - are the very people who grow emotional—irritable—at the attempt to use calm reason and logic to explain what happened on 9/11? The one place their holy tool might actually prove supremely useful to our cause is the one place they want to shut it down. 859
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 03:55 PM | # @Dasein If AE911 signers aren’t saying it was necessarily a controlled demolition, then why’re they requesting a new investigation? It’s already been pointed earlier that an obvious reason why more structural engineers haven’t signed up is fear of ridicule, demonization, possible denial of tenure, possible loss of work/contracts from the government, threats and known instances of persecution (e.g., Lindauer). If you’re referring to the paper by Greening and others on the collapse, it’s been refuted very well. http://the911forum.freeforums.org/review-of-bazant-le-greening-benson-t379.html http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/ (for much more) Regarding “I find it hard to believe you don’t think Jews would ever plan ahead,” what I said was they didn’t have complete control of the WTC complex until a few months before 9/11. Had they attempted to pack explosives in the WTCs years earlier, they risked another Lavon Affair. Regarding the audio from the events not being consistent with the use of high-explosives, I’m unaware of this, and can’t comment on it at this moment. Regarding “have you ever considered that the truth movement’s almost exclusive focus on CD might be an attempt to send 9/11 Truth down a blind alley or into a tar pit?”... they also talk about the Pentagon hit and flight 93, but I get the point and what you’re saying is true of the kosher controlled-opposition 9/11 Truth movement. You can see below that the bulk of the groups involved are closed groups, reluctant to accept independent researchers, and even in the case of ae911, espouse demonstrable falsehoods about the collapse of the buildings that are easily refuted by the debunkers: It’s obvious that they’re closed groups citing each other because they are, at the core, controlled opposition. Their purpose’s to lead dissent and they don’t want people in their midst whom they don’t control. In the beginning, the controlled opposition came up with ludicrous arguments (e.g., Loose Change version 1), making it easy for the debunkers. With more people awakening to 9/11 truth, some of them have reluctantly cleaned up their acts to some extent, but they’ve got ways to go and they surely don’t want people they don’t control occupying significant positions among their groups. I’ve been careless myself in referring readers to ae911, which I’ve linked to because they happen to be more prominent and don’t focus on naming the culprit [which forces people to consider the argument on its own merit]. In the process, I’ve directed the readers to second rate and significantly incorrect information, but now that you’ve made me think about it, all I need to change is one link in the 9/11 compilation and I amend my mistake. I’ll do it shortly. 860
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 04:01 PM | #
It should be treated that way. But it’s not. And those who say it should be are transformed into the bad guys by the WN who think principles don’t matter. It makes our cause a joke to say the things we do about about jews - then turn around and give a loving embrace to someone like Jared Taylor who welcomes them into his fold. 861
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 04:30 PM | # IS THIS lolzozlzozlzlz where Graham Lister learned about Mairkinz?? lzolz 862
Posted by Dasein on September 23, 2011, 04:58 PM | #
JR, I’ve focussed on CD of the twin towers because I consider it to be less of a ‘slam dunk’ than many think. I think I’ve said, though, that the NIST report is not convincing, especially with regards to Building 7. I’ve also mentioned what I consider the best evidence for a planned destruction of the towers—foreknowledge and the presumed desire for a TV moment. And if Building 7 was a planned destruction, then it makes sense that the twin towers would be too. There is physical evidence to support some form of a controlled demolition, but I don’t think it’s as conclusive as many believe and it’s easy to get caught up in endless back and forths between supporters and detractors of the theory. That’s my main concern with the focus on CD, which is what almost all the official (kosher) strains of the truth movement are pushing. I would much rather an inquiry where the relevant members of the intelligence services (following the trail from Rowley) and principal actors like Silverstein and the jews involved with the WTC are dragged before an inquiry, than another x-thousand page NIST report that proves nothing and satisfies only those supporting the status quo. But I acknowledge that the CD hypothesis, especially Building 7, is a good hook to get people interested in alternatives to the official story. And, as far as I’m concerned, it can’t be proven wrong- only inconclusive. No one knows for sure whence came the microspheres and red/gray chips.
I’m interested to see what you come up with. Because this is a point that the CD detractors always bring up. I haven’t seen a good answer to it yet. You have some eyewitness testimony of people hearing explosions, but the audio recordings from the destruction does not sound like a CD with high explosives.
Some of the things Gage has said are very questionable and make him look foolish, IMO. Like the live cardboard box demo and saying that the explosives could have been placed during building construction (that was from an interview, but I don’t remember which one). He also reportedly earns 70K per year for his work, so I wouldn’t expect him to jeapordise that by being too truthful about the jewish nexus centered on the towers. The truth movement is near unanimous in its eagerness to ostracise anyone it perceives as ‘anti-Semitic’. 863
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 23, 2011, 05:11 PM | # Alex, there is a certain psychological pattern/profile that I have observed in WN circles that spells trouble: a high degree of narcissism, usually of the histrionic “drama queen” variety (Sam Dickson, Hunter Wallace, John Gardner, and others whom I will not name), combined with traits that appear to be bipolar or hypomanic, including grandiosity and other delusional thought patterns (Dickson, Gardner, Wallace, and others). These people tend to attract and promote one another (Dickson, Gardner, Wallace, and others). When I broke with the CMS leadership, I also broke with or quietly backed away from everybody else in this cause who fit the same profile. So yes, the people I have had fallings out with have a lot of things in common, the very things that led me to break with them. 864
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 06:16 PM | # @Dasein It’s far from the case that “all the people involved [in the early truth movement regarding controlled demolition] were genuine and motivated by their desire for the truth.” A good example is the case of Eric Hufschmid and what we can infer from it. Initially he didn’t know about the Jewish angle and wrote a book on 9-11 without speculating on the culprits. This book was good. Jimmy Walter paid for a full-page ad in the New York Times to promote Hufschmid’s book, Painful Questions [ http://www.erichufschmid.net/PainfulQuestionsBook.html ] . Some who specifically decided to debunk Hufschmid ended up convinced by him. He got attention, was on TV and interacted with many others in the truth movement. Chechar doesn’t tell us that the popular mechanics publication he refers to was especially motivated by concern over Hufschmid’s work. But Hufschmid learned about the Jewish angle and started talking about it. This is when he was shunned by most others in the truth movement except for two collaborators: Daryl Bradford Smith and Christopher Bollyn. All three ended up being viciously attacked. Then Christopher Bollyn was kidnapped by Jews. After Bollyn’s kidnapping, the attacks against Bollyn dissipated because now he wrote what he was made to write by the Jews. Eventually Daryl Smith was revealed as controlled opposition, Smith and Hufschmid parted ways, and the attacks against Smith ceased. But attacks against Hufschmid persist, with most of the prominent personalities in the 9-11 truth movement either pretending that he doesn’t exist or slandering him. You couldn’t have missed the lame manner in which he’s attacked within this discussion itself. Just look at Linder calling Hufschmid a liar and repeatedly refusing to justify it. Linder doesn’t tell us the reason, which’s that Hufschmid’s yet another significant individual who believes that VNN/Linder are fakes/kosher Nazis. Notice that Hufschmid never doubts the genuineness of William Pierce and even wonders whether Pierce was actually murdered so that he’s replaced with the presumably phony Erich Gliebe and other fakes, such as the Fed/ADL/SPLC front comprising of Linder and VNN. It’s obvious that Jews have attempted to control dissent w.r.t. 9/11 from the very beginning, and many of the prominent truth seekers haven’t been motivated by a desire for the truth but have given away some useful information to establish rapport so that they can control dissent. 865
Posted by anon / uh on September 23, 2011, 07:03 PM | #
Oy vey. Oops ... 866
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 07:07 PM | #
I don’t think you’re a very good psychologist based on the above, and also on your “won’t get fooled again” (32nd take) motif, ie, poor innocent Gregorius laid low by yet another formerly trusted chum. Your wronged naif may look good on a shower curtain but out here in the dry world it produces eye rolls. Politics aint beanbag, m’boy. I don’t think any of them fit the drama queen mold. Dickson is a self-impressed lawyer, a run of the mill clueless southern conservative ‘intellectual.’ Griffin (currently masquerading as ‘wallace’) is a liar of low character, but while a profligate liar, misrepresenter, deceiver not a passionate one. His mendaciousness and instability are what’s notable, not his hysteria, which I don’t really see. He’s like a little kid that makes stuff up to tell the kindergarten teacher try to get other kids in trouble. Gardner doesn’t leave much impression other than a trifle too smooth and glib for the thing under the pen. It’s not quite as easy as he makes it appear on paper, and his world-shaking pretend-realizations, in his reviews, are a cheap effect he returns to like a dog to vomit. As the man said, “Politics ain’t beanbag,” Greg. The best you can do is protect yourself and your cause by sticking to solid principles. You don’t do that in the case of Jared Taylor, no drama queen either, but danger comes in more forms than hysteria’s rollercoaster. 867
Posted by A. Linder on September 23, 2011, 07:22 PM | #
I might not have mentioned that here, but I’ve said it before. The fact is, I don’t know anything about Hufschmid except the one thing I need to know. Many years ago someone drew my attention to some graphic on a page he had where I, and if recall Duke and Zundel too, were claimed to be fake or controlled opposition. No evidence involved, of course, just the empty claim, as is the way of liars like Hufschmid. So I knew right off the first time I encountered him he was a liar up to no good, and the fact that you repeat his lies shows that you too are a liar up to no good. Seriously, if GuessedWorker had any standards here, like I do at VNN, he would demand that you prove your character-assassinating lies or be banned. You have no proof at all that I am anything other than what I claim to be, and that’s because I am what I appear and claim to be. Like in so many cases, Breivik’s for example, you simply dream up the way other men are supposed to respond to X, Y, or Z event, and when they don’t respond that way, you cite that as “evidence” that they’re controlled opposition, or jews, or whatever lie it strikes as most effective to circulate in that particular case. As with Breivik, so with me, so with anyone else you seek to defame for whatever malign and occult agenda you’re furthering. I shun you ‘J Richards,’ character assassin, and invite other WN to shun you too. 868
Posted by Lew on September 23, 2011, 08:06 PM | # Alex Linder:
I would almost be willing to pay money to see the big names who disagree with you on this specific point answer that objection in public for all to see. Way up in the conversation you pointed out that Jew-wise nationalists who work with philo-semites like Taylor and / or who tolerate Jews have the wrong principles or not principles. Perhaps there is a third option? Perhaps they are operating on principles that are not readily apparent to anyone without back-channel information. But what is the principle that that justifies knowing about the Jewish role in the White genocide project yet working with these masters of subversion and / or philo-semites anyway? 869
Posted by MOB on September 23, 2011, 08:28 PM | # I just saw AL’s comment above in which he asks me to give information regarding the existence of Jews in CMS. That must have been posted before he sent me an email asking that question. My reply was that I never knew of Jews being in the group and that my guess would be that there are still no Jews in it, and that I have very limited (and old) information regarding the membership of CMS. I do know that the CMS-memberlist was shut down sometime between 9/4 and 9/11, and it’s possible that the Majority Rights threads had something to do with that. I’m sure they’ve retreated into a more secret hiding place. At this point, I see no reason to care. 870
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 23, 2011, 08:58 PM | #
I suppose it’s possible that Jared Taylor could actually believe such a thing, and I suppose Greg Johnson might actually believe that its harmless to believe such a thing. But I believe no such thing, and I believe that believing such a thing is murderous (pre-meditated or involuntary). My belief is supported by James Bowery’s theory of Jewish virulence: A theory of Jewish virulence put forth by James Bowery is that it evolves from horizontal transmission of Jews between nations, in the form of repeated migration, since at least Babylonian times. Moreover, since diaspora Jews have become dependent on virulence for survival they promote immigration and naturalization laws that are friendly to horizontal transmission more generally [http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/ABERNET3.PDF] – resulting in virulence evolving in other populations. This makes Jewish virulence more analogous to immunosuppression virulence, such as HIV creates. This theory of Jewish virulence is complementary to both Kevin MacDonald’s thesis documented in The Culture of Critique and to Richard Faussette’s Niche Theory. Under Bowery’s hypothesis, Jewish virulence evolved from the following horizontal transmission cycle (see Richard Faussette’s Niche Theory for a possible starting point): 1. Hyper centralization of net assets (communist, capitalist, monarchy—doesn’t matter) 871
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 23, 2011, 09:04 PM | # Greg Johnson, Would you support a homosexual organization devoted to increasing awareness about the dangers of pneumonia while disallowing commentary about the dangers of H.I.V? 872
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 09:08 PM | # Some changes to the 9/11 compilation [ http://www.majorityrights.com/911.who ] Link to a scientific discussion of 9/11 changed from ‘Journal of 9/11 studies’ to http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911/ Link to ae911 removed; see discussion above. Information on the Mexican bomb plot updated to note that the Jews had Pakistani passports and were obviously looking to implicate Muslims. Link to study showing evidence of large-scale insider trading in the neighborhood of 9/11 added: http://www.majorityrights.com/uploads/insider-trading.pdf The 9/11 in under 5 minutes video added: http://www.majorityrights.com/uploads/911-in-5-min.flv 873
Posted by J Richards on September 23, 2011, 09:56 PM | # Priceless This picture’s priceless. I can’t believe I didn’t come across it earlier. It’s added to the 9/11 compilation.
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Posted by Wandrin on September 23, 2011, 10:26 PM | # Lew
Very neatly put. 876
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 23, 2011, 11:20 PM | # Will someone please confirm that the above photo is NOT Greg Johnson? 877
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 02:16 AM | #
There is a pattern I have noticed myself: when Greg was fired by TOQ in April 2010/May 2010, his former associates became his enemies, and Greg spread around a bunch of false and malicious rumors because he has furious over the “$10,000 dollars” that he was owed. Isn’t it interesting that particular date happens to coincide with everything Greg has been saying here? Notice how he wasn’t saying any of this before that date.
My theory is that Greg is mad because he was fired at TOQ in April 2010/May 2010: this would explain his sudden change of tune. See, it was really all about Pride of Greg, Wrath of Greg, Envy of Greed, Sloth of Greg, and Greed of Greg, etc.
Greg is still better over the $10,000 dollars that got away. Why doesn’t Greg fess up and explain to the gallery just how much money he has made off the WN movement? We know he has already raised $11,000 dollars off Counter-Currents. How much money did Greg make while he was at TOQ? Could the loss of Greg’s gravy train explain his behavior? Stay tuned. 878
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 02:31 AM | #
Correction: As the former editor of TOQ, all the identities were handed over to Greg Johnson, and they are stored in Greg’s computer somewhere in Greg’s database, which I am sure he uses to solicit for donations and other types of support for Counter-Currents. I worked for TOQ for two months last summer. As a matter of fact, I don’t have those records and never possessed them, and I have never shown the slightest interest in learning more about CMS members. Greg continues to insist that the subscriber organization was organized after he left TOQ. For some strange reason, he insists that I was the one who did that, but this is just another one of Greg’s multitude of lies. Obviously, Greg is the one who is obsessed with these people. It is Greg who is on a jihad against his former associates. Greg is also financially motivated. He is also motivated by revenge. Now, in light of this, who do you suppose is the real threat to these identities? 879
Posted by Greg Johnson on September 24, 2011, 03:00 AM | # Jimmy Marr asks:
I ask: Would you conclude that such an organization is being run by the AIDS virus? Jimmy, you need to stick to Matt Parrott’s underpants. You have found your calling there. And for the record, I publicly criticize Taylor’s circumspection on the Jewish issue here: http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/05/jared-taylors-white-identity/ I think my position and tone are principled and constructive: I affirm what is good in the book, criticize what is bad, and urge Taylor to do better. Taylor’s readers cannot help but respect him, and if one is going to criticize him, one needs to take that into account. Calling him a “polished turd” simply makes Alex look like a potty-mouthed nutter. 880
Posted by Leon Haller on September 24, 2011, 03:14 AM | # My belief is supported by James Bowery’s theory of Jewish virulence: A theory of Jewish virulence put forth by James Bowery is that it evolves from horizontal transmission of Jews between nations, in the form of repeated migration, since at least Babylonian times. Moreover, since diaspora Jews have become dependent on virulence for survival they promote immigration and naturalization laws that are friendly to horizontal transmission more generally [http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/ABERNET3.PDF] – resulting in virulence evolving in other populations. This makes Jewish virulence more analogous to immunosuppression virulence, such as HIV creates. This theory of Jewish virulence is complementary to both Kevin MacDonald’s thesis documented in The Culture of Critique and to Richard Faussette’s Niche Theory. Under Bowery’s hypothesis, Jewish virulence evolved from the following horizontal transmission cycle (see Richard Faussette’s Niche Theory for a possible starting point): 1. Hyper centralization of net assets (communist, capitalist, monarchy—doesn’t matter) —————————————————————————————
Jewry acts less to intentionally destroy host nations than ineluctably to suppress their natural instincts, and thus, presumably, the ideology, and political and legal mechanisms, arising from them, for collective survival. Very intriguing. 881
Posted by Leon Haller on September 24, 2011, 03:21 AM | # Alex Linder writes with a shotgun. Some of the pellets are made of steel; some lead; some cookie dough; and some shit. 882
Posted by Leon Haller on September 24, 2011, 03:49 AM | # Why do some of you fail to see that it is perfectly understandable that Jared Taylor doesn’t want to embrace anti-Semitism? I am a Taylorite myself. I don’t think I’ve read anything by him with which I have substantively disagreed. There is a difference between responsible racial preservationism, and real racism. While I have no love for other races, or Jewry, I don’t hate these groups per se, either. My racialism is born of a desire not to have diversity shoved in my face all the time; not to have my career (and that of all white men) retarded or ruined by affirmative action or “diversity” preferences; not to allow nonwhites to fornicate with or marry whites; not to be reduced to a demographic minority in my own homeland through unwanted immigration; not to be victimized by nonwhite criminals; not to have white children taught lies about their heritage (or not taught their cultural heritage at all); and not to be outvoted by a nonwhite majority electorate. These are all eminently conservative positions, not a single one of which violates traditional Christian ethics and social morality. If all of these policies were put in place, my interest in WN would probably substantially evaporate. So why is it so wrong for someone like me (or Taylor) to want to build a movement based on these principles? The reality of Jewry is that it’s a mixed bag. I think most here will admit that the black presence in America, or the Muslim presence in Europe, bring no advantages to the indigenous white peoples of those countries. But Jewry does make a lot of contributions, whether you will admit it or not. To take only one example: after more than a decade of seeing my normal internist, I very casually and randomly discovered that he’s Jewish (his family had thoroughly Anglicized its last name). What should I do about it? This gentleman is a wonderful doctor, and a wonderful man. Should I call hate down upon him just because he’s a (I bet non-practicing) Jew? Doing so would frankly be beyond the moral pale for me (and probably for Taylor, too). I almost never invoke the concepts of racism or anti-Semitism, but sometimes they are valid descriptors (and when valid, bring moral discredit upon those of us who are trying to save our race by decoupling the morally acceptable from the objectionable). Just because the Left calls everyone to the Right of themselves “Nazis” does not mean that there are no real Nazis, or that Nazism is thereby morally acceptable. I suspect Taylor just wants to deal with what he sees as the main problems of our time: white dispossession through mass immigration, ‘civil rights’, diversity propaganda, negroid criminality, and denial of racial reality. There’s more than enough there to fill a race-patriot’s plate. That he does not wish to add the far more ethically and politically complex JQ may be strategic (deal with what’s visible, build up white power, then later confront Jewry with a more racially awakened base of support), or merely personal (maybe he has a lot of Jewish friends). It is grotesquely irresponsible (and counterproductive) to accuse Taylor of being “false-flag” or controlled, etc, without very specific evidence to back up such charges. There is probably a reason why the more intelligent and educated among WN prefer AR to VNN or NSM. It really doesn’t take a lot of insight to discern it. 883
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 04:14 AM | #
The Clown Movement is a very peculiar strain of White Nationalism that existed before all the various strands of American racialism were absorbed by the label “White Nationalism” in the 1980s and 1990s. Specifically, it is the George Lincoln Rockwell branch of White Nationalism, or what I used to call “vanguardism,” and it refers to all the present day groups like VNN Forum, Counter-Currents, NSM, Northwest Front, “National Vanguard” and so on whose origins can be traced back to George Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party, and beyond that back to Francis Parker Yockey and the Silver Shirts and his other neo-fascist predecessors like H. Keith Thompson. “White Nationalism” didn’t exist in the 1950s and 1960s: it only evolved later as an attempt to give all these groups a facelift and unite them behind the idea of a “White ethnostate” (that idea comes from Wilmot Robertson). OTOH, Dixie has always had a very peculiar racial tradition of its own: the “Civil Rights Movement” was targeted at the Jim Crow South. The Midwest and Northeast had been integrated for decades before the Civil Rights Movement. In some cases, the Northern states had been integrated since 1887, or they had always been integrated like Wisconsin, Vermont, and Minnesota. These Southern organizations like the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the White Citizens’ Councils, the Ku Klux Klan have nothing to do with European fascism. When George Lincoln Rockwell was parading around as a Neo-Nazi stormtrooper, the Klan had hundreds of thousands of members in Dixie, the Council controlled Mississippi, and Southerners like Sen. Richard Russell of Georgia were filibustering the federal civil rights laws in the U.S. Senate. JFK had to use the military to integrate Ole Miss and the University of Alabama. In 1968, George Wallace (who really is a blood relative of mine) carried Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas in his third party presidential campaign. In 1972, Wallace ran for president again, but was crippled when Arthur Bremer or Milwaukee, Wisconsin attempted to assassinate him in Maryland. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIU5c24hEr4 Who was Arthur Bremer? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Bremer
Arthur Bremer was a Yankee lunatic in the mold of James Zwerg and James Reeb and Viola Luizzo and Jonathan Daniels and the thousands of other deluded Yankee leftists who came here to flaunt our laws and violate our customs in the 1960s. There are monuments that have been built to these people here in Alabama cities like Selma and Lowndesboro. Now back to the Clown Movement. The Clown Movement was a Northern based Neo-Nazi fringe movement that existed in the 1960s and whose roots ultimately trace back to the fascist sympathizers of the 1930s. It had always been a marginal strain of racialism in the United States. In the 1970s and 1980s, the Clown Movement swept into the vacuum left behind by the demise of the Jim Crow South, and it became the face of American racialism over the next twenty years. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, there was an attempt to reconstruct American racialism around the ideal of “White Nationalism,” which surfaced in the mid-1970s and was becoming ever more popular in the early 1980s. By the mid-1990s, everyone was suddenly a “White Nationalist” after the demise of the Soviet Union and the breakup of Yugoslavia inspired racialists on this side of the Atlantic. From 1994 until 2011, the discourse of “White Nationalism” became hegemonic in the United States because the internet cracked the narrative power of the Mainstream Media and allowed “the movement” to reach a mass audience for the first time since the 1960s. That’s the status quo which exists today. “White Nationalism” was born in the mid-1970s and early-1980s. It seems to trace back ultimately to William Pierce, Willis Carto, The Order, David Duke and Pastor Butler’s Northwest Migration - certainly these were the main players in creating what came to be known as “White Nationalism” in the chaotic years of the interregnum period. By the 1990s, “White Nationalism” had absorbed the Clown Movement, various remnants of Jim Crow, and disgruntled paleocons who broke with the GOP in the early 1990s - it was a common label that referred to everyone who was “pro-White.” But, this was always an unstable coalition that drew upon various sources and traditions, a well intentioned attempt to unite all of them around racial grievances, resentment of Jews, and the ideal of the White ethnostate. How is this likely to change? By 2020, I predict the present landscape of the “White Nationalist movement” will be completely reconfigured. As in the early 1990s, the driving force behind this will be developments within the conservative mainstream, specifically the hardening of White racial attitudes in the South and Southwest, which are most affected by changing racial demographics. Dixie has reversed course under Barack Hussein Obama: the Democratic Party is being systematically annihilated among Southern Whites. It has gotten so bad that in Louisiana the Democrats aren’t even bothering to run candidates for statewide office now. In 2008, 90 percent of Whites in Alabama and 89 percent of Whites in Mississippi voted against Obama, at the height of his popularity. What do you suppose they are thinking now? We are inexorably going back to the one party system and the racialized politics of Jim Crow. The Civil Rights Movement is losing its legitimacy. Washington, DC and the Mainstream Media have already lost virtually all their legitimacy. Conservatives are becoming ever more open about their racial and political grievances here. States like Alabama and Arizona have openly revived John C. Calhoun’s doctrine of nullification. By the mid-2010s, when the world economy has fallen off a cliff (due to a combination of global aging, the instability of globalism, the financialization of the U.S. economy, changing racial demographics, political balkanization, and the terminal rot of the underlying secular culture), and after blacks have launched the race war in Dixie over the demise of the welfare state (having already lost 87 percent of their net worth under Obama), the “White Nationalist movement” will be an afterthought for everyone who lives here. Will the Clown Movement still exist? Undoubtedly. I don’t have the slightest doubt that the Clown Movement will try and fail to capitalize on the situation. Who is going to care about the Clown Movement though on “The Day The EBT Card Stops Working” in Dixie? Who is going to care about their online pen pals and the WN online therapeutic support group? The racial taboos, which already visibly cracking under Obama, will fall completely in Dixie and the Southwest, and likely in much of the Midwest where blacks will almost certainly launch their own version of Pearl Harbor in a city like Detroit, Philadelphia, or Chicago. Could it really happen? Look no further than Black Summer 2011 in the United Kingdom. If blacks tried something like that in Birmingham, New Orleans, Atlanta (Neal Boortz already calls for dead urban thugs on his radio show), Richmond, and Memphis, it would push the racial conservatives here over the edge, who are already a majority of the White population in the Deep South, and who are 25 percent to 30 percent of the population in the Upper South, and the clear majority of conservatives in Dixie proper. No one here is going to have any use for the “White Nationalist movement” anymore. Politics will swiftly become state and local again. The states are going to get into a fight with the federal government over the new Jim Crow laws. They are already locked in a fight with the Holder Justice Department over immigration. Where is Der Linder going to be? What about the divine Greg? What about Harold? What about the Clown Movement? Where are they going to be when this unfolds here over the course of the next decade? Who knows? Who cares? In 2011, the SPLC and ACLU sued Alabama and Georgia over their immigration laws, and everyone here rolled their eyes because no one takes them seriously anymore. In the 2010 elections, Democrats lost everything in both states. Hopefully, the Holder Justice Department will sue South Carolina next. Maybe that will push Tennessee, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Florida over the edge in the same way that the attack on Arizona pushed AL, GA, and SC into the AZ corner. By the end of this decade, we will have returned to the world where “pro-White” isn’t synonymous with “White Nationalism,” and where the Clown Movement will find itself more marginalized than ever due to the sudden and mysterious revival of a strong assertion of White racial identity in the “mainstream.” Check out OD Forum ... the alternative to VNN Forum. 884
Posted by dougal on September 24, 2011, 04:27 AM | # Haller reminds me of the commenter “Whiskey” who trolls Sailer’s and other “HBD” blogs to cover for the Jews. Just adjusted appropriately for a different audience. 885
Posted by Leon Haller on September 24, 2011, 04:37 AM | # Good analysis, Hunter, and I hope you’re right, but I’m less optimistic. I still think there’s a lot of liberalism out there, and not only among the rapidly growing nonwhite peoples, obviously, but among whites, too. How did Obama take NC? That used to be a Jesse Helms state. Plus, don’t forget that a lot of blacks are moving back to the South from elsewhere, and that the immigrant population of the South is exploding. I agree, and have long stated, that whites are getting, and will continue to get, more racially conservative. I told Jared years ago that the future of the Right would someday belong to him, and I still believe that. But we’re operating from a continually shrinking base, which is why I’ll harp till I’m dead on the need to place ending immigration at the top of the pro-white (and conservative) list. Everything else must be radically subordinated to ending immigration. Of course, once we have done that, there next comes the great battle to determine whose values and culture will be hegemonic in the USA, as well as to deal with negroid criminality, interracial marriage, the racial spoils system, multiculti, etc. But without the moratorium, all else is lost. If this means muting criticism of Jews, talking about immigration and jobs or the environment, or whatever else, we must do it. All that really matters is victory. And note that stopping immigration requires a national movement (here I agree with Linder). Beware excessive faith in localism. Local activism is correct for many issues, but it is revealed to be useless for immigration (at least in terms of legislation). We must work to change the GOP into an anti-immigration party, which is possible, but will continue to involve a great deal of education and outreach. 886
Posted by Leon Haller on September 24, 2011, 04:40 AM | # Haller reminds me of the commenter “Whiskey” who trolls Sailer’s and other “HBD” blogs to cover for the Jews. Just adjusted appropriately for a different audience. (dougal) I have never visited those sites, though I have been banned from many conservative ones for my staunch racial advocacy. You, however, remind me of the type of idiot who makes the work of responsible patriots more difficult than it need be. fuck off. 887
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 05:01 AM | #
Taylor is smart enough to know that Jews are a contributory factor to our predicament - one factor among many others. He also rejects the demonization of Jews because he simply doesn’t believe in Linder’s theory. How could anyone from Virginia believe it? Was it the Jews who conquered Virginia? Was it the Jews who gave blacks citizenship there and who deliberately elevated them over White people? Was it the Jews that passed the first “civil rights laws” in the 1860s and 1870s in the name of social equality? Was it the Jews who opened the floodgates to Asian and European immigration in the 19C? How did the Jews get here in the first place? Are you saying that American industry has always wanted cheap labor? That the U.S. Chamber of Commerce fights for cheap labor today? What about in the 1960s? There was 1 Jew (Frankfurter) on the U.S. Supreme Court and 8 Gentiles that handed down the Brown decision. It was the Swedish economist Gunnar Myrdal whose book “An American Dilemma” provided the intellectual foundation for the Brown decision. It was also the backlash against Hitler that popularized anti-racism in both Europe and North America - except in Dixie and South Africa, which became more stridently racial after the war. It was Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Richard Nixon, and Jimmy Carter who tore down the Jim Crow South - largely because the Soviet Union, a foreign country, was making it an issue in their Cold War propaganda against the United States. In the U.S. Congress, it was the Northern states that wanted integration. It was all the states north of the Mason-Dixon line that voted almost unanimously in the U.S. Congress (overcoming the longest filibuster in American history to do so) to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And just what was the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Oh, it was an attempt to extend the North’s own treasured system of integration (which had existed in most Northern states since 1887, and which Gov. George Romney of Michigan took such great pride in) to the Jim Crow South which alone had the anti-miscegenation laws and the segregation laws. The anti-miscegenation laws were struck down in 1967 in Loving vs. Virginia. Every single bit of this had been tried before in the Civil Rights Act of 1875 which was shot down by the Supreme Court in the Civil Rights Cases. Those of us who remember that story know how it took three generations and thirty years of struggle to overthrow Black Run Amerika 1.0 in the South in the year 1896 AD. Within the Jim Crow South, was it the Jews who overthrew slavery and segregation here? Not at all. The Jews had lived in Dixie for centuries without arousing much animosity. In fact, the Jews here hadn’t really agitated against Jim Crow nearly as much as the domestic race traitors like Ralph McGill at the Atlanta-Journal Constitution or Harper Lee who wrote To Kill a Mockingbird or the Grimke sisters way back in the day. I’m sure that Jared (having graduated from Yale University) silently laughs at the idea that the Jews are responsible for the racial liberalism of Massachusetts, Vermont, and Pennsylvania. As far back as George Washington’s time, the intellectual elites of Boston and Philadelphia were attacking Thomas Jefferson and arguing for the doctrine of racial equality. Are you saying that Jews forced Iowa to repeal the anti-miscegenation law in 1851? Massachusetts in 1844? Kansas in 1859? Pennsylvania in 1780? Did the Jews force the Northern states to repeal all their black codes which allowed the “liberated” slaves to settle there en masse? Just how did the blacks end up in Michigan and Illinois? Are you saying that Yankees invited them to come there? What about states like New York? Jared probably knows that New York famously tried to pass an anti-miscegenation law, but failed to do so. Indeed, New York, New Jersey, Vermont, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Minnesota never passed anti-miscegenation laws. Jared probably also knows that many Northern states like Washington State passed laws banning segregation in education. There were all kinds of laws in states like Illinois and Michigan which banned racial discrimination against blacks. Yankees took GREAT PRIDE in these laws. They were cited again and again and trumpeted as the definitive proof of their enlightenment and intellectual superiority over the backward states of the South and West! Who can forget the “civil rights march” that Mitt Romney’s father famously led around the state capitol of Michigan to show everyone on national television how superior and enlightened Michigan was on the race question! Even today, it is the Northern states that elected Barack Hussein Obama president in order to prove that America had “moved beyond race” and only Yankees bought into the notion that we were living in a “post-racial society.” In 2012, Vermont and Massachusetts and other Deep North states like Washington State and California will undoubtedly double down on Barack Hussein Obama even after the Holder Justice Department and the Pigford swindle and the lawsuits against Alabama and Georgia. The only way this nonsense will ever end (just like the way it ended last time, when the Jews were stepping off the boat on Ellis Island) is if the Northern states thrown in the towel on their great project of Reconstruction. 888
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 05:10 AM | # Greg, See here my post “How Mississippi Joined the Union”: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/08/25/how-mississippi-joined-the-union/
How does that episode fit episode fit into the all encompassing Jewish conspiracy theory? Are you telling me that this Yankee from Chicago marched into the Mississippi state capitol with his platoon of black soldiers (just like they did in Richmond) and overthrew the White government in order to establish racial equality here? 889
Posted by MOB on September 24, 2011, 08:14 AM | # If I owned the MR forum, I would have banned Hunter Wallace from posting here weeks ago. The extent to which he diverts attention from sensible discussion to useless or counter-productive drivel is as consistent, immediate, and determined as any Jewish behavior I’ve seen on other lists. He looks like a person doing a job. 890
Posted by J. M. on September 24, 2011, 09:19 AM | # This place reminds me a bit of the VNN Forum when that place was first started and was moderated with a very light hand. There are pros and cons to that, but I have to admit I am generally enjoying the free, lively discussion here. MOB:
Password phishing accomplice Hunter Wallace is a despicable piece of filth morally capable of inviting his own friendly acquaintances to a forum that he knows is rigged and staffed with people plotting to violate their privacy, and yet has the utter gall to demean nearly everyone else around him as “clowns”. Hunter Wallace lumps all the disparate factions of WN into a straw man the he insultingly calls the “clown movement”. Evidently, Hunter Wallace wishes to polarize WNs against “Southern conservatives”—those who want a White American ethnostate against those who want to commiserate the fall of the Confederacy or go back to the glorious age of Jim Crow. Suffice to say that I don’t mind Southerners taking pride in their heritage. I think don’t think that lionizing the Confederacy is any more harmful than the NSM’s feshizing the Third Reich. However, in this day and age dreaming about the resurrection of an independent pro-White Dixie is no less romantic and vain than partaking in the NSM’s brownshirt demonstrations. It’s basically an apolitical diversion from the current situation facing Whites collectively on this continent. However, the real problem with Hunter Wallace’s polarizing behavior is not its inherent Southern pride but rather that it is formulated to pit Whites against Whites and White regions against White regions. That’s a formula for disaster if not final extinction of Whites in North America. Compared to Linder, Hunter Wallace’s ideas are positively a poison pill; while Linder is also extremely divisive at times, at least his goal is the polarization Whites against Jews, and NOT Whites against Whites. Unfortunately I expect that this password phishing accomplice will continue to prattle on and be humored so long as he’s allowed to continue. As long as this guy is opposed I suppose he can’t do much harm. 891
Posted by anon / uh on September 24, 2011, 09:26 AM | #
Oh please. You and Graham and everyone else pulling a Scrooby (“GW should have the good sense to BAN so-and-so IMMEDIATELY ...”) ought to just keep it to yourselves, irrespective of anything. TIRED = TOBCFB lolzololzololozlolzozlzozlzlzllzzlzlzllzlzlzlzzz Go start your own blog where you can moderate men into silence. Guessedworker has his own child to look after. Why, why, WHY is it that everywhere an educated woman over thirty shows up and opens her yap, the place takes on the thick atmosphere of a psychiatric inquest? IF I WERE OWNER OF THIS BLOG I WOULD BAN MYSELF, SILVER, MOB, PF, GUESSEDWORKER, CAPTAINCHAOS, A. LINDER AND THE JEWS, I.E. EVERYONE BUT ME lolzololzololzozlzlzlzlzlz 892
Posted by Lew on September 24, 2011, 10:49 AM | # RE: Jared Taylor and the Jews, more comments, observations, thoughts… It would be one thing for Jared Taylor to distance himself from the unhinged Jew obsessives, the simple-minded Single Jewish Causers and the irrational Jew haters on the White right. Unfortunately, Taylor does not do this. He distances himself from those who fit that description AND those on the White Right who are simply responding to ongoing Jewish aggression against White people. Based on his public actions, Taylor recognizes no meaningful distinction between the former and the latter. That said, what is there to debate about Jared Taylor anyway? It’s not as if his views are ambiguous. Taylor is a philo-semite who admires Jews (not attacking just stating the facts). Taylor’s stance can be accurately summarized as follows: “If you regard Jewish influence as one problem among the many problems that White people are facing in this world, fine; you are welcome to work with me as long as you check your concerns about Jewish subversion at the door.” And the best Jew-wise minds on the White right often do exactly that. On the surface, it doesn’t make a lot of sense, at least not to me. And when the inevitable debate begins and the skeptics press this group on that contradiction —how can one be fully aware of the Jewish role in the White genocide project and still sit down with a man who embraces Jews?—many will justify it based on back channel information. So while this select few may have perfectly valid reasons for not being skeptical or concerned about Taylor, those reasons are not available to the wider racialist community. For years now people without inside information on Taylor have speculated about his decisions which has amounted (IMO) to a lot of misdirected energy. Why should it matter what Taylor is thinking behind the scenes? Why should anything matter other than Taylor’s publicly stated positions? Why should Taylor be judged on anything other than what he openly declares using his own words and pen—that there is NO CONNECTION between Jews and the life-or-death plight of our race? It’s not as if Taylor has an audience of millions like Pat Buchanan. It makes perfect sense for Pat Buchanan to cut things off at a certain point in order to keep his visibility in the mainstream and send books with vital information to the top of the best sellers list. But Taylor has no visibility to preserve, his books will never appear on that list, yet he embraces Jews anyway and does so despite the fact that Jewish influence is the main reason he is a marginal figure. Based on the public evidence, Taylor certainly looks like the real deal to me, a genuine admirer of the Jews, not a man using deep strategy. One reason Taylor deserves respect is for his willingness to stand on his principles. Alex Linder deserves respect for the same reason. Like Taylor, he declares clear principles and stands firm on them. Whatever other errors Alex Linder may make, and even if Alex Linder is dead wrong about everything else that he says and does, that is the right thing to do. No one can say Alex Linder is operating on fuzzy, unclear, or ambiguous principles. So Jared Taylor’s position on the Jews is not the problem. Taylor’s principles are obvious. The people who bear the burden of explanation are the Jew-wise nationalists who work with philo-semites like Taylor and / or who also work with Jews. They’re the ones adopting the blatantly contradictory stance, not Jared Taylor. I’m NOT—NOT—suggesting that they’re unprincipled but rather that the contradiction makes their principles unclear. What is the principle that justifies knowing about the Jewish role in the White genocide project yet working with them and / or philo-Semites anyway? 893
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 12:49 PM | #
If the above is any indication, Alex’s writing is also having a salutary effect on your prose, Leon. Nice work. Thanks for the kudos upthread. I deserve no share of credit for Bowery’s Razor. It reflects a level of creative insight of which I am wholly incapable if left to my own means. I will, however, apply your kudos to some good news I received yesterday. My wife and I are soon to be grandparents. 894
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 01:13 PM | #
I’m motivated by the God’s honest truth. The God’s honest truth, as I have described above to the best of my ability, is that the doctrine of the Single Jewish Cause is false, and so is the doctrine that “all White people are on the same side.” Both of these old WN chestnuts are easily refuted by history. The Europeans who post here ought to know better. They have always known that “all White people are on the same side” is an American myth. Now, it is certainly a great ideal that we should all set aside our various differences and unite around the racial common good, but it is not an ideal which has been practiced that often in reality. The truth about the Jews is that Jews are a contributing factor in our racial decline. It is one factor among many other factors - the salience of the Jewish Question also varies across countries - with Jews having the greatest impact in the United States, Britain, and France after the Second World War. In the American North, there is a mythology that has grown up among WNs that “Jews made us liberal.” Every Southern historian howls with protest: what about John Brown, William Lloyd Garrison, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Frederick Douglass, Thaddeus Stevens, Charles Sumner and the rest of the Black Republicans and the Wide Awakes who were behind Reconstruction? As a matter of fact, it was the North that invented Jim Crow in the Antebellum era. The North had black codes that fined or outlawed black settlement in states like Illinois, Oregon, and Ohio. They also anti-miscegenation laws in most of the Northern states. Well, in the aftermath of the War Between the States, the North repealed the black codes, repealed the anti-miscegenation laws, and banned segregation in hundreds of state statutes in the Northern states ... by the year 1900. That’s a historical fact. Look it up. Just how did all those blacks end up in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, California, and Illinois? By the time of the Civil Rights Movement, almost half of all blacks in America were living in the Northern states. How did all the blacks end up there? Well, it was because the Northern states voluntarily repealed their own black codes, and banned segregation, as a tribute to the Union soldiers who fought for the “New Birth of Freedom” at Gettysburg! In contrast, the South after the Plessy decision passed Jim Crow laws, which created a push effect that drove the racial equivalent of Black Mississippi to Chicago. How did Mississippi and South Carolina become majority White? Because, the blacks in Mississippi and South Carolina moved to the North ... they moved to Lincoln country, where they could fraternize with White women like the negro boxer Jack Johnson, which is why the Mann Act was passed and why Johnson fled the United States. 895
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 01:30 PM | #
Yes. If we apply Occam’s Razor to this equation, the burden of proof falls squarely on the shoulders of those attempting to justify a more complicated explanation than Bowery produces in 50 words. In reality, I fear this is no burden to them, but rather an opportunity to abuse our cause as a reverb chamber through which to ruminate on the echoes of their rhetorical pablum. 896
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 24, 2011, 01:46 PM | # 6. Cry out for help to elites at destination nation while offering concentrated wealth to enter new Do they buy their way into countries who would otherwise reject them? 897
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 24, 2011, 01:47 PM | # 6. Cry out for help to elites at destination nation while offering concentrated wealth to enter new Do they buy their way into countries who would otherwise reject them? The next question: how to break this cycle. 898
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 01:52 PM | #
Yes, I would think so, but it might be more accurate to say that they “lend” their way in. 899
Posted by Hunter Wallace on September 24, 2011, 02:11 PM | #
Oh, I see my professional stalker is back with his niggerwhine. (1) If memory serves, they were the ones who published Kane’s real name, his real address, and real photograph on the internet, and then went all across the publish that material on other websites in order to get it into Google search results. (2) After stalking and harassing this guy who they banned from their forum, they followed him into real real life where various individuals started sending emails to his sister, calling his private residence, harassing his parents, and even going so far as to get him fired from his job. (3) In 2007, one of their own members “hacked” their forum, one of their own members broke into email accounts, and he was doing it without our knowledge, and after we banned him for that when we found out about it, he went back to “The Phora” where he still posts to this day - where, strangely enough, laurels are thrown at his feet. (4) These various clown forums are in the business of stalking people and harassing people for the fun of doing so. “Beer Barrel” and “Stumble Inn,” for example, exist for no other purpose. This same crowd hangs out on the “Shoutbox” at The Phora. (5) As for the great phishing attack upon The Phora, what J.M. doesn’t say here is that Kane retaliated against them and whooped their ass ... as an act of revenge in a private feud for stalking him and harassing him in real life. It never concerned anyone else on the internet ... it was a fight between Kane and the Clown Forums, one episode in a story that contained like a dozen other episodes, in a feud that has gone for five years over cyberstalking and cyberharassment.
No, I specifically labeled the whole “vanguardist” scene the Clown Movement ... because its origins trace back to the American counterculture of the 1960s and beyond that to the French “avant garde” which has always been about shocking the bourgeoisie for the thrill of doing so. That’s all Der Linder has ever done here: he says extreme shit like “exterminate the Jews” in order to shock the bourgeoisie, in order to get off on it, in order to do it for his own amusement. There is nothing resembling an actual strategy behind it. Why does the Clown Movement parade around in Knoxville and Milwaukee in full stormtrooper uniform? Because, the Clown Movement is the direct ideological descendant of the avant-garde that pioneering that sort of shit in France over a century ago.
My writing obviously reflects the fact that I have spent 10,000x more of my time thinking about these issues than clowns like “J.M.” Everything that I have said above is true: Dixie has its own racial tradition that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Clown Movement, which originated in the Northern states among fascist sympathizers in the 1930s, and which was considered an annoyance here throughout the 1960s. George Lincoln Rockwell’s American Nazi Party was a sideshow in Dixie, but it spawned all kinds of groups in the 1970s and 1980s which played a major role in the creation of “White Nationalism.” Both William Pierce and HAC were involved with that scene.
Laughs. If you think support for the Confederacy here is on the same level as Neo-Nazi stormtroopers parading around through Knoxville, you obviously haven’t followed politics in Mississippi, Georgia, or South Carolina over the past decade.
The Clown Movement is a diversion from the current racial situation facing White Southerners. That’s why we need to articulate a pro-White discourse that draws upon our own racial traditions and which can be successfully disseminated to our own people. Millions of Southerners are racial conservatives. We can reach those people and connect with a mass constituency. The Clown Movement will never reach them. In fact, the Clown Movement is a serious obstacle to our progress in this area because it creates the stereotype that “pro-White” is “anti-Christian” and “Neo-Nazi.”
The real disaster is the delusion that “Jews are behind it all” and “Whites are all on the same side.” It is precisely this delusion, which unfortunately reigns supreme in the WN paradigm, that prevents us from seeing all the other players out there like the liberalized clergy, the ideological DWLs, and the business community that defeated immigration reform in Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Arizona, and Florida earlier this year. The Jews have always played a major role in fucking us over here, but they have always operated among a network of likeminded sympathizers, some of whom are actually leading the charge on the race question and the immigration question. It is also the context of the Union that has warped our political system - if Dixie was an independent country, we wouldn’t have to quarrel with New England and the Left Coast over any number of stupid issues where a broad consensus already exists here.
Excuse me for pointing out the uncomfortable historical fact that Whites spent much of the 20C destroying each other in Europe. There was also that thing called the War Between the States in America which resulted in black citizenship and nigger equality. Weren’t not supposed to call attention to the fact that only the North wanted the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. We’re not supposed to draw attention to the fact that this is actually the second time this shit has been tried out here.
I’ve done nothing here but clarify the historical record. The hateful truth is that “White people” in the United States are not “all on the same side.” Every time there is a national election we see the “hateful truth” that Yankeeland is the animating force behind the “Civil Rights Movement.” It was Yankeeland that fell head over heels in love with Barack Hussein Obama. Just like it was Yankeeland where Frederick Douglass was a feted as a celebrity and Martin Luther King, Jr. was worshiped as a rock star. The presence of so many Yankees in Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia (and their black allies minted by the Voting Rights Act and the 14th Amendment) is why Obama won those states in 2008. Did you watch the vote on the DREAM Act? Who wanted the DREAM Act in Congress? Yes, the votes from Yankeeland - from California to Washington and from Minnesota to Maine - piled up behind the DREAM Act because “We’re a Nation of Immigrants.” It is White people from the Left Coast and the Blue States in the North that are responsible for our predicament. For if they did not exist, we would not have this problem here. National politics in America is about our desperate attempt every four years to block their agenda. If they changed their mind and quit allying themselves with the anti-White coalition of Jews, Hispanics, Asians, and blacks, everything here would change overnight. Just like it changed when they threw in the towel on Reconstruction in the 1890s. Of course, they will never do this ... because that is the reason why blacks were given citizenship in the first place. That is why Yankeeland supports non-White immigration. It is because it was a calculated attempt to weaken the South and the West within the Union. Wouldn’t it be great if Texas and Florida were solidly Democrat on account of immigration? That means all their electoral votes would support Vermont and Massachusetts in the electoral college like California today. 900
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 02:45 PM | #
Alex’s proposal, unless fully executed, will ultimately serve to perpetuate the cycle. James Bowery mentions “blocking metabolic pathways” in the later part of his interview with Jim Giles It seems to me that whether we treat the Jewish problem with Zyclon B or through legislation designed to disable the inexorable logistics of their vampiric porosis, all will be equally and rightfully genocidal in their eyes, because they cannot survive without a racial host and they are host specific to Europeans. So, regardless of proposed solution, Jews can be rightfully expected to sabotage the process at every opportunity, and must therefore be barred from any participation in the project. No Jews. Just right 901
Posted by TabuLa Raza on September 24, 2011, 03:07 PM | # When the jews were coming here in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, why didn’t alarm bells ring? 902
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 03:31 PM | #
I don’t know, but if we assume I’m correct in my assertion that the Jewnome is host-specific to Europeans, it brings up another question: Why are they trying to blend us into other races? 903
Posted by FB on September 24, 2011, 04:27 PM | # Hunter, why are you confusing Linder with facts? It’s psychologically too distressing to know that not all Jews are anti-White (some are even pro-White like Jewamongyou, Larry Auster, Michael Levin, Michael Hart, etc.); and not all Whites are on the same page. Hell! Even so-called WNs are divided. The vast majority of Whites are liberal on race issues! They don’t need an external force to espouse liberal positions. They do it willingly! Jews aren’t coercing them. That’s pure Linder billshit of God-like Jews and powerless, innocent, child-like, twisting in the wind Whites. The worst thing one can do is show up and start talking about them Jews and the “Holy Hoax.” It’s the quickest way to reinforce negative stereotypes that pro-White advocates are really just Nazis. Isn’t that the old ADL and SPLC line? I’m not saying that nobody should discuss Jews, but if it’s done it should always be done in the academic, cool-headed, “just the facts, ma’am!” way of The Culture of Critique and certainly not at the beginning of a conversion phase or mass appeal pitch. Lindersque genocidal, “epater le bourgeois” anti-Semitism is beyond stupid & harmful, it effectively sets otherwise curious and potentially receptive Whites against us. At any rate, Linder isn’t a serious individual, he’s a marginal and isolated crank whose wasted, tragic life-story teaches pro-White advocates what not to do. It’s self-desructive to ask decent, normal Whites to take a pro-White position if it comes saddled with abject evil. 904
Posted by anon / uh on September 24, 2011, 05:15 PM | #
No, but there weren’t websites highlighting ONLY Jewish malfeasance, and more detrimentally, the Founders had their noses too far into Plato and Plutarch, settlers in their Bibles, to not interpret the word “Jews” in any but the classical sense, i.e. as God’s chosen. To the early American mentality they were not a real political class but a remnant of the “classical civilization” in which the educated and the laity were steeped, so they were bound from the start to misunderstand the danger. There were some skeptics in New England even early in the 19th but this was far removed from levers of political influence. There were no Jewish agitators at the time either — there was the poor, the small-time lenders (whom Grant expelled from the Dept of Tennessee for example), the magnates; nothing that obviously and directly threatened the social fabric. Nor could that even have been conceived or expressed in the language of the day. It’s like blaming the injuns for succumbing to smallpox and whiskey. 905
Posted by danielj on September 24, 2011, 05:21 PM | # It’s psychologically too distressing to know that not all Jews are anti-White (some are even pro-White like Jewamongyou, Larry Auster, Michael Levin, Michael Hart, etc.) It’s practically undeniable that Taanstaafl has proved beyond doubt that these “pro-White” Jews are only pro-White because they believe it furthers Jewish interests better than any alternative. Read Age of Treason for the pudding. Pay special attention to the Auster/Taanstaafl feud. 906
Posted by danielj on September 24, 2011, 05:27 PM | # Come to South Beach sometime! lolzlzozlzozlzz Just don’t tell the wife. Could we meet somewhere less gay? 907
Posted by J Richards on September 24, 2011, 06:15 PM | # @Haller I was pleased to learn that you’ll be taking a break from commenting at MR, but unfortunately you’ve changed minds. I completely agree that there can be perfectly legitimate reasons for avoiding discussing the Jews. But there can’t be any legitimate reasons for welcoming Jews in any organization that wants to lessen the immigration, affirmative action, minority handouts problems. If you disagree, then why are you commenting at MR? Amren is the place where you should be commenting at. Taylor welcoming Jews into his organizations is the specific evidence for his running a false front [for the naive] and a transparently Jew-benefitting organization [for those who know better; with Jews aplenty, there’ll just be superficial talk, requests for donations and sales pitches for useless books]. Yet, you accuse us of being “grotesquely irresponsible” for describing Taylor as controlled opposition without specific evidence. This was pointed out before you left your comment. If you feel the need to harp on ending immigration, don’t do it here at MR, especially in a discussion on 9/11. Nobody here is pro-immigration. Don’t preach to the choir. Do it at amren or your own white zion website. 908
Posted by J Richards on September 24, 2011, 06:21 PM | # @Hunter Wallace If thou art motivated by God’s honest truth, it sayeth that thou shalt not slander a discussion of a thousand crimes committed by Jews by characterizing it as the “doctrine of the Single Jewish Cause”; nor shalt thou ridicule considerable evidence for a Jewish crime, such as 9/11, with a crackpot label without refuting or countering the evidence; nor shall thou send a discussion of a major Jewish crime into a hundred different directions, all digressing from this crime. Above all, if thou shalt use the name of God in vain and mock his most holy name by indulging in said ungodly acts, then eternal hellfire, sulfur and brimstone await thee in the hereafter, and, in this world, banishment from this holy place. Thou shalt not turn this holy place into a den of the inane and the lying, especially when thou runneth occidentaldissent.com, where thou can post a million words or a billion, whatever pleaseth thee. 909
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 24, 2011, 07:42 PM | # What the hell why not join in the madness. Come on people it’s obvious! They are Space Jews - extraterrestrial, extraterritorial Jews from outer space. Sent to walk amongst us - they gave us a messiah and they gave us a morality! Now we have combined Linderism with David Icke it’s all good! 910
Posted by J. M. on September 24, 2011, 08:11 PM | # Password phishing accomplice Hunter Wallace won’t stop lying and muddying the waters by bringing up Daryl Basarab’s utterly irrelevant “feud”. The truth of the matter is that the majority of people whom he and Daryl Basarab “retaliated against” (i.e. phished passwords from) had nothing to do with any “feud”. Hunter Wallace cannot deny that he betrayed the trust of ALL of his friendly acquaintances by inviting them to join his password phishing forum. He cannot deny that he knew that EVERYONE’s passwords were being phished. He was willing to watch this happen to his former friendly acquaintances because—I cannot think of any other reason—he simply lacks the moral compass of a normal human being. Having been caught red-handed, he now wants to blame others for most of the consequences, but he is responsible because he knew what was happening. He was an accomplice in this criminal behavior. Hunter Wallace is a resentful, poorly raised, overgrown child who is incapable of taking ownership of his own actions. He enthusiastically screwed people over that were not involved in any “feud”, and he’d do it again if he could get away with it. Please be advised that Hunter Wallace is not to be trusted in any way. 912
Posted by Sam Davidson on September 24, 2011, 08:56 PM | #
They did ring. People noticed how Jews were swarming Ivy League universities and they tried to stop it by restricting their numbers. (i.e. Lowell at Harvard) People also noticed the clique of Jews that surrounded Roosevelt and their steering the US into war against Germany and Japan. (General Moseley, Charles Lindbergh, and later John Beaty, for example.) Within decades the Jews had accumulated enough power through media, government, and professional organizations that they could ruin any localized resistance. If white populations couldn’t be coerced into accepting Jewish politics through a combination of protests + media coverage, they could file a lawsuit and bring the Feds. (This is ultimately why the ‘Civil Rights’ movement succeeded.) Graham Lister,
Do you actually have any points of disagreement with the substance of what Linder says? 913
Posted by anon / uh on September 24, 2011, 08:58 PM | #
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Posted by FB on September 24, 2011, 09:37 PM | #
This assumes that Jewish and gentile interests are always at war. That’s another WN fantasy. 915
Posted by Wandrin on September 24, 2011, 10:09 PM | # FB
“The whole world dances in the blood of the Jews.” It’s a JEWISH fantasy. They developed this strategy and bring their children up to believe it as a way of maximizing tribal cohesion and preventing assimilation. They’re the racial supremacists. They always have been. Gypsies are exactly the same except dumber. It’s a nomad thing. 916
Posted by Wandrin on September 24, 2011, 10:27 PM | # Jimmy Marr
They can’t stop themselves. They react against the host population like an allergy and will continue attacking it until they get a reaction because the primary purpose of their way of being is to prevent assimilation. They need to be hated. For example, now their war against the traditional attitude to homosexuality has been mostly won they will start on normalizing child-sexuality and paedophilia. Not because they agree with it but simply because they won’t rest until there’s nothing of the original culture left standing. You should start to see references to child-sexuality popping up all over the US media and Hollywood. 917
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 10:34 PM | #
Good point, Wandrin. This aspect of the JQ is poignantly depicted in Defamation 918
Posted by anon / uh on September 24, 2011, 10:43 PM | #
This is the meme we need to replace “if Jews didn’t exist ... ” With the proviso that it not be padded by the fallacy that “when nothing is left the Jew will go mad”, which is a subtle form of revenge fantasy that has no bearing in reality nor relevance to our situation. He will not go mad. He will just keep going. Anyhow, expertly said as always. A subject whose entire psychopathology is alienating others in obsessive auto-definition (what is this called? “malignant narcissism” exists). But an entire race. Here we arrive at something deeper than MacDonald’s work. 919
Posted by Wandrin on September 24, 2011, 10:45 PM | #
Congrats. 920
Posted by J Richards on September 24, 2011, 10:56 PM | # @Linder It’s too bad that I need to address Duke and Zundel when the discussion should be about 9/11, but for anyone still not convinced of what game you’re playing, it’s worth it. Your assertion that Hufschmid has described Duke and Zundel as fake or controlled opposition, without evidence, is demonstrably false. Zundel Hufschmid’s extensively written on Zundel. http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Toronto-Sun-Zundel-Jewish-2005.html [Reproduction of an article from the Toronto Sun that Zundel may have Jewish ancestry; Hufschmid asks what should one make of it?] http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Canadian-Jewish-news-Zundel.html [Reproduction of an article from the The Canadian Jewish news that Zundel isn’t particularly interested in the Holocaust but is motivated by hatred of Jews; Hufschmid asks what should one make of it?] Now go to http://www.erichufschmid.net/Zion-helpers-part2.html ...and start from the heading “An analysis of Ernst Zundel shows that something is wrong” Hufschmid extensively discusses people associated with Zundel. These people are either clearly working for the Jews or are strongly suspected of doing so. Hufschmid made the following video about the friendly relationship between Zundel’s wife, Ingrid Rimland, and Jew Mike Rivero (protects Jews): http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/video/Holocaust-Zundel-Rivero.wmv Hufschmid warns readers to beware of those affiliated with revisionist organizations as Jews have a lot invested in the Holy Hoax and they’ve surely infiltrated such organizations, set up some phony ones and promoted their own agents as revisionists or Holocaust deniers. Then Hufschmid says, “I don’t know exactly what’s going on or why there are so many people behaving in suspicious manners,” a far cry from accusing him of saying that Zundel’s fake or controlled opposition, but he’s got more to say. Now go to http://www.erichufschmid.net/Separating_truth_from_lies.htm and start from the heading titled “Are Holocaust trials a deception?” Hufschmid discusses 3 possibilities at length: 1) Jews want to make an example of Zundel to warn others. Hufschmid estimates that the second possibility’s more likely. Hufschmid’s discussing a possibility, not a certainty. Zundel isn’t a scholar but merely served as a publisher, and he didn’t put up a strong fight. It’s readily understood how one can be blackmailed into putting up a weak fight or to do stupid things, and accept years of imprisonment as opposed to incarceration for a widely reviled crime that’s known to the blackmailers but not the general public. It’s harder to understand why one would voluntarily accept years in prison. But if Zundel’s a Jewish scumbag, the Jews could’ve given him an opportunity to redeem himself by raking in the moolah from Holocaust denial publications for which he’ll take the flak but the Jews get the names of those who buy the materials and donate to his legal expenses, the Jews also have controlled opposition at the forefront of Holocaust revisionism, and if Zundel goes to prison then his prison stay would be far more comfortable than what the world thinks. There’s the possibility that Zundel’s been a good-intentioned publisher whom Jews targeted, using the Zionist Ingrid Rimland, phony Holocaust denier and saboteur Mark Weber, etc. The most important point’s that nothing good could can come out of supporting the Zundel affiliates (who run the Zundel site) as inferred from their behavior, whom they promote, who they’re associated with, the fact that they limit themselves to a very narrow range of Jewish crimes and that they protect Jews on some important issues. And you portray this nuanced discussion as a baseless accusation that Zundel’s controlled opposition. It’s telling that you’ve accused Hufschmid of things without leaving a link so that readers can observe for themselves. Duke next. 921
Posted by Jimmy Marr on September 24, 2011, 10:57 PM | #
Thanks. I guess. 922
Posted by J Richards on September 24, 2011, 11:01 PM | # @Linder Now David Duke. Go to http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Ernst-Zundel-5-years-in-jail.html Scroll to the part where Duke’s interview by Mike Rivero (Jew and Jewish asset) is discussed. Duke says:
Then Duke talks about the Red Cross routinely inspecting all of the Nazi prison camps during the war and finding no evidence of abuse at the camps, or executions. ‘David Duke pretends to be unable to put the pieces together and figure out whether the official Holocaust story is a lie. Instead, he tells us that there are some “good questions”.’ Hufschmid characterizes Duke as:
And then Hufschmid asks the reader to think why Duke was invited to the Iran Holocaust conference. Now scroll to the heading “Alex Jones certifies David Duke.” Alex Jones brazenly lies to protect Jews (http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Alex-Jones-summary.html) Jones says the “Feds” are manipulating the Nazi movement in America, but he certifies Duke as the real deal. Look at who’s coming to Duke’s defense! Now go to http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Ashkenazi-Nazis.html ...and scroll to the part where Duke’s discussion of 9/11 is discussed. Hufschmid points out two dates (2004 and 2008) where Duke maintained that Arabs did 9/11. Here’s this man who spends the better part of his professional life criticizing Jews and was aware of the five dancing “Arabs” and Israeli spying-related arrests around 9/11 for years as of 2004, yet can’t figure out that Jews did 9/11. Then Hufschmid discusses a Duke broadcast in 2007 where he blames Arabs for the USS Cole and Marine barracks bombing, citing Victor Ostrovsky. Ostrovsky, JEW, implicitly suggests that Jonathan pollard should be released and that Israel has a right to exist. Ostrovsky blames Arabs for the USS Cole and Marine Barracks bombings [both were Jewish false flags; Ostrovsky deceives]. See http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Ostrovsky-deception.html So what’s Duke doing? He’s either silent on some serious Jewish crimes or protecting Jews regarding very serious crimes. Hufschmid thinks that the most likely explanation is that Duke’s blackmailed by Jews. I agree. Among Kosher Nazis, Duke’s the one individual toward whom I harbor no malice and actually feel sorry for as I believe that he’s good intentioned but blackmailed. Again, your characterization that Hufschmid’s argument is baseless is complete nonsense. There’s much more on Duke that makes it very clear that’s he’s working [involuntarily] for the Jews. On the tenth anniversary of 9/11, look at what article he posted: This article states “our “great ally” Israel knew the 911 attack was coming and didn’t bother to warn us” [they can’t say Jews did it]. And note the title, “Polls show 84 percent of Americans doubtful of government account of 911.” The polls aren’t cited; 84% appears too high. The sensational title is apparently a journalistic trick to attract attention, then captivate the reader who stumbles across the article with interesting tidbits [that are all over the internet] and do damage control [the main goal]. 923
Posted by J Richards on September 24, 2011, 11:07 PM | # @Linder You’ve been exposed by people who have little in common. Hardcore WNs and Christian Identitists Martin Lindstedt and crew, race realist Curtis Maynard, race realist comics Jett Rink and Mike Jahn, and non-religious software engineer Eric Hufschmid. Put them in a room and sparks would fly. Maynard even regarded Hufschmid as a disinformation agent working for the Jews. But all of them agree about you. You know why? In your own words:
These individuals base their conclusions on your behavior, your statements, and the proven historical models that parallel your efforts [Jews setting up fake Nazi or nationalist fronts], whereas you call them character assassins. Your attitude toward Duke is telling. You claim to despise Jews, but instead of warning people that Duke’s blackmailed by Jews, Duke passes your litmus test! If you really despised Jews, you’d consider Hufschmid a misguided brother, willing to overlook his indiscretions and perhaps wanting to work with him to clear any misunderstandings because few people have exposed so many of the most serious crimes of Jews as Hufschmid, but you’re pissed as hell! 924
Posted by Wandrin on September 24, 2011, 11:13 PM | # uh
It reminds me of abused foster-children who are convinced everyone hates them so they act up and act up until even the most patient of foster-parents give in and throw them out. As you say there’s probably a name for it on the individual level. .
Yeah, unpleasant counterpoint, sorry about that. I was reading the thread backwards. 925
Posted by 911 Litmus Test on September 25, 2011, 01:11 AM | # All of these American “WN” bloggers, and these American “neo-nazi” bloggers, are all exposed as the shills and cowards they are. There’s really no debate anymore, certainly about 9/11 being an “inside job” and Israeli complicity. There is NO debate. There’s also no debate about certain Dixie populist bloggers being scam artists/hackers, no debate about certain CMS employees being cowards, and no debate that “neo-Nazi” NSM/Linderism is a Hal Turner style “false flag.” WHO ARE THEIR AUDIENCE? If they can’t get me, they got nobody. It’s all bullshit. They are probably posting from Tel Aviv. 926
Posted by Leon Haller on September 25, 2011, 06:56 AM | # I will, however, apply your kudos to some good news I received yesterday. My wife and I are soon to be grandparents.
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Posted by J Richards on September 25, 2011, 01:15 PM | # Media lies scripted in advance Just updated the 9/11 compilation with the following. ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, WAPC and WPIX-TV predicted the collapse of building 7 (WTC7).
BBC, CNN, FOX even reported that WTC7 had collapsed before it did! http://www.majorityrights.com/uploads/premature-reports-WTC7-collapse.mp4 928
Posted by danielj on September 25, 2011, 06:57 PM | # I live in North Miami, the fag:human ratio is much lower. Forget it — one day I will move to Maine and we will meet up there if you make it to Vermont. I’d love to visit Miami. I haven’t been South of Orlando. I’m used to faggots. They are crawling all over Cali. I’m done in New England for the time being. I’m back in my home state. I was just visiting Boston this weekend. The MFA was spectacular! Good peoples in Vermont. 929
Posted by anon / uh on September 25, 2011, 08:09 PM | # Isn’t Kievsky there? Was under impression your long-term goal is to move (back?) to Vermont. 930
Posted by danielj on September 26, 2011, 01:01 AM | # Was under impression your long-term goal is to move (back?) to Vermont. Long-term goals have taken a huge blow recently. I do plan on moving (back) to Mass and taking over my old local union. We don’t really have a winter to “flee” from but I could do a weekend in Miami sometime in January. 931
Posted by Leon Haller on September 26, 2011, 02:07 AM | # How can you be so peripatetic, daniel? I thought you had a family. 932
Posted by danielj on September 26, 2011, 08:55 AM | # Gotta follow the money. Construction is a fickle mistress. 933
Posted by danielj on September 26, 2011, 09:18 AM | # Isn’t Kievsky there? Not sure where he is actually. We exchanged a few emails once but I’ve since lost the correspondence. 934
Posted by anon / uh on September 26, 2011, 09:31 AM | # Yea, my father’s been in construction for 30+ years. I thought you were an electrical lineman. Anyhow, dig my email out from the “Oh ultimorum temporum” thread. 935
Posted by Graham_Lister on September 26, 2011, 03:06 PM | # Please when and where did I EVER call for anyone to be banned? I do call for some people to stop promoting that the antidote to liberalism is just more liberalism in a slightly different form but that’s just me (libertarianism is a species of liberalism - the clue is in the fucking name but this seem very difficult for Americans to understand). But some posters here are at the lower end of the gene pool I guess. 936
Posted by Dasein on September 27, 2011, 09:30 AM | #
I’m guessing that they would have taken a liking to you if you were cynical about American culture and foreign policy. I haven’t heard much about Italians or Spanish getting a hard time from the Glatzen. Mostly it’s Greeks who I hear about getting chased or beaten up (and verhetzt). Could just be the good & bad luck of the particular Southern Euros I’ve known. 937
Posted by Guessedworker on September 30, 2011, 04:38 PM | # Support for the inside job scenario from Bishop Williamson, in his regular email address:
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Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 29, 2011, 12:08 AM | # Susan Lindauer tells the whole story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJTwbHdH6k& Confirmation of Lindauer’s credibility: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/magazine/susan-lindauer-s-mission-to-baghdad.html I cannot thank J Richards enough for thoroughly exposing the American “White Nationalist” crowd as the false flag many of them are. Hell, one of them even once admitted to working for the $PLC, and another, the Romney campaign. 939
Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 29, 2011, 02:52 AM | # And just to make sure that J Richards is proven correct, Hunter Wallace/Fade the Butcher/Prozuim has now banned me from his forum, admittedly, over 9/11 (but not really, really over his admitted collaboration with the $PLC and Morris Dees.) “Kroll has returned to the 9/11 truther forums to preach MossadDid9/11.” After a few months of trashing Ron Paul, and promoting African Herman Cain, now he’s trying to get back into the fold. J Richards, Matt Parrott, and others were right all along! As others have noted, they are attempting to distract Whites to talk about Negroes, but not discuss actual history, or the Jew question. What better way to keep Whites under control then to sic them on the negroes? 940
Posted by Captainchaos on December 29, 2011, 03:32 AM | #
You do realize that one could believe that ‘the Jews did 9/11’ and yet not oppose, say, miscegenation, don’t you? That is why the proposition that your “litmus test”, as the name implies, should be of central importance to racialism is so obviously stupid. 941
Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 29, 2011, 04:07 AM | # “You do realize that one could believe that ‘the Jews did 9/11’ and yet not oppose, say, miscegenation, don’t you? That is why the proposition that your “litmus test”, as the name implies, should be of central importance to racialism is so obviously stupid.” In the abstract, sure. But in the United States of America, believing that two airplanes caused three skyscrapers to demolish themselves puts you in a “counter-jihad” movement that is explicitly anti-white, pro-Israel, and philo-semitic. If you are dumb enough to believe two airliners caused three skyscrapers to demolish themselves, then you are dumb enough to believe in fundamentalist religion, creationism, and the like. Just hating niggers doesn’t make you pro-white. Also, your strawman about “Jews did 9/11” is irrelevant, since the physics of building demolition has nothing to do with Jews. This is simply a matter of basic education in physics, and fighting the anti-intellectual culture in the USA - not that different than the “no such thing as race” nonsense. Also, let’s not forget the context - we have 10 years of a coordinated campaign to lie about 9/11, including many paid spammers, often including “pro-white” talking points. FTB certainly fits the profile - notice his support for Negro Presidents and attacks on LOS and other Dixie traditionalist groups. FTB banned me because I mentioned his admitted collaboration with the SPLC and Morris Dees, and his 6 month long attack on Ron Paul - before he “converted” literally two days ago, when the polls came in. The 9/11 Liar Movement is the most coordinated and well funded online hasbara campaign in internet history. At the least, historical revisionism of 9/11 should be in the same category as historical revisionism of the Holocaust - except much more important, timely, and topical, considering how recent it is and how relevant it is today to US politics. Plus - FTB and I are both Southerners fighting over different visions of the South. He’s the LOSER that lost the War of Northern Aggression. I’m the potential winner. Which is why he needs to ban me. Are you anti-9/11 truth? Do you understand 7th grade physics? Anyone who is anti-911 truth, and ignorant of 7th grade physics, should probably just STFU, frankly. 942
Posted by Captainchaos on December 29, 2011, 05:42 AM | # I am personally opposed to wasting my time looking in depth into issues ultimately tangential at best to what is truly of world-historical significance - the looming extinction of the White race. I can offer no informed opinion on various possible causal explanations for “9/11” as I have not bothered to study the matter because I don’t give a fuck. However, if you wish to indulge yourself by seeing just who is really deserving of the title of big swinging dick of “Southern” internut racialism, with the pathetically miopic “9/11 litmus test” as your fulcrum of choice, then by all means knock yourself out. LOL
That seems to be the one thing “Southern” racialists do well. At least they’ve got that going for them.
You are spectacularly, singularly wrong. The Holocaust myth is the very foundation of Jewish moral authority in this age. A “Southerner” mistaking his mound of dirt for Mt. Everest, what a shock.
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Posted by uh on December 29, 2011, 07:52 AM | # I am personally opposed to wasting my time looking in depth into issues ultimately tangential at best to what is truly of world-historical significance - the looming extinction of the White race. I can offer no informed opinion on various possible causal explanations for “9/11” as I have not bothered to study the matter because I don’t give a fuck.
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Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 29, 2011, 09:48 AM | # “I don’t give a fuck.” If you didn’t give a fuck, you would not have spent the last 3-4 years on every forum, attacking anyone discussing the issue. So, it’s quite clear that you DO give a fuck - about shutting us up, one way or another. If it wasn’t important, you’d ignore it - but you CANNOT ignore it. That tells us something, yes? Certainly, the US government is far more worried about 9/11 Truth than Holocaust Revisionism. http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/sunstein/
Controlling the opposition is job #1. The 9/11 Liars Movement is the biggest online hasbara campaign in internet history. It’s well funded too. Plenty have been outed and plenty more will be. Liars always hate the truth. 945
Posted by Patton on December 29, 2011, 01:47 PM | # @ CaptainChaos:
The big noble defender of the White race against evil ‘shitskins’ is not interested in exposing the 9/11 scam that Zionists are using to suck the United States and its allies dry? Then what you’re really saying is - I’m just too lazy to give a fuck. Congratulations. 946
Posted by danielj on December 29, 2011, 08:38 PM | # Revisionism period. Full-stop. Never a waste of time. 947
Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 10:48 PM | # @911_Litmus_Test
You’ve made an absent-minded mistake. Matt Parrott is chums with Wallace and they’ve helped each other, as observed above and in the Elitism thread. Parrott is fully malicious. Any doubts someone may have can be removed by reading the following three articles authored by Parrott, one of which Wallace has promoted: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/07/07/holocaust-denial-as-strategic-buffoonery/ You quoted a passage of mine suggesting that counter-currents.com is useless at best. I’ve since revised my stance as I now believe that this is a controlled opposition endeavor. Earlier I gave Greg Johnson and Michael Polignano the benefit of the doubt, adopting the stance, with discomfort, that in an attempt to build traffic, they’ve solicited writings from a large number of contributors, relaxing screening criteria. But having read more of the contributions I’m no longer inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’ve elaborated a little bit on this here: http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/vdare_and_counter_currents_donations_pitch On the one hand it’s impressive that you’d dare take on Hunter Wallace on his turf, but since he’s unambiguously controlled opposition, this isn’t a good investment of your time. You can reason with dupes, not liars or propagandists. I’ve found some potentially good investment for my time and urge you to consider it, too. Whereas 911 is a litmus test for anonymous online commenting, some people can get in trouble even now for stating the obvious. In contrast, if you consider the money issue and avoid mentioning Jews, then how an activist treats it can be regarded as a better, more widely applicable litmus test. I’ve developed this idea in two parts. First there’s this basic money FAQ that avoids mentioning jews: http://www.majorityrights.com/money Then there’s a discussion of the litmus test and Jewish-related issues: http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/money Here’s something you may find interesting. I’ve been talking to the Occupy people. I generally don’t go to the local GA (General Assembly) because there’s this swarthy (southern European type) hook-nosed creature that’s always there, a round-skulled hook-nosed swarthoid that often attends and another hook nose with boderline skin that sometimes shows up… I’m not trusting these hook-beak creatures. But I’ve been talking to people on an individual basis, sometimes in neighboring cities. One time there was this guy who brought up Jews on his own. I didn’t say anything and let him talk and he went on a rant, espousing many of my beliefs, a kindred spirit. But unfortunately he was equally forward with the rest of the crowd and they were mighty uncomfortable with his bringing up the Juden and didn’t want him around. He should’ve let the others slowly discover what the Juden have been up to. This guy made me reevaluate something I was about to do. I was ready to hand out pamphlets about the money issue, thinking of subtly hinting that it’s the Jews. So I substituted usury with shylocking. You said that you’re a southerner. You may know that Florida criminal statute specifically mentioned shylocking as a crime up till, I’m guessing, 2009, when Jews pressured the legislature to drop the term. I changed shylocking back to usury. So now some have had a revelation on the way money works and are receptive to more information. Now this is one group where a substantial number don’t buy into the official 9/11 conspiracy, but they believe the government did it. The government becomes less salient once you convince them that it functions for show and the strings are being pulled by the bankers. Then you show them hard evidence of large-scale insider trading just before 9/11 (cited above and in the article), and they immediately know that it wasn’t the government but banker-affiliated people who masterminded it as there’s no indication of the American government having benefitted in any way. Then of course they’d want to know the identities of the money masters and there’s the ever-present sympathy-with-Palestinians factor… this is a promising group to be working with. In contrast, my other efforts have been disappointments. When I’ve tried to reason with the street groups waving banners of “9/11 was an inside job,” I’ve either met people adamant about Bush-Cheney or those who immediately go on the defensive about Israel, sometimes in an apologetic mode, bringing in their history of persecution, etc. Similarly, the TEA party groups have been disappointments as I’ve run into too many people focused on democrats, illegals, Obama…. and a number of them are hostile to Muslims. The lower class racialists have too many that seem to not be interested much beyond niggers, spics, 14 words, etc… you can teach them it’s the Jews behind the money problems, but the crucial issue is making people understand some abstractions associated with money so that they make others understand fractional reserve banking, debt obligations, money as a rule of law, etc., and this isn’t a very promising group. Nationalist groups intended to attract the educated and professional class are almost all fake. Overall, based on my experiences I’d advise you to focus on the Occupy people as an exercise in street activism, and maintain online activism as usual, except for not wasting time on people like Hunter Wallace. Sometimes you’ll find homeless people in the neighborhood of Occupy groups and if you give them $20, they’ll happily distribute pamphlets for you. Get rolling! 948
Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 10:53 PM | # @Captainchaos I believe you owe 911_Litmus_Test an answer to “If you didn’t give a fuck, you would not have spent the last 3-4 years on every forum, attacking anyone discussing the issue.” If your answer is that it detracts from the looming white extinction, you’ll have to explain why you haven’t spent your efforts blogging (not leaving brief comments here and there) on how to prevent this extinction. On the topic of looming white extinction, let me disabuse you of this notion (wait for my comments): http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/demography_challenge 949
Posted by Leon Haller on December 30, 2011, 11:19 PM | # What do you mean by this:
Specifically, by “fake”? Note, this nearly becomes a kind of metaphysical question. But I look forward to an answer, with examples. eg, Is American Renaissance fake? How about The Occidental Quarterly? Who isn’t fake? Stormfront? VNN (I guess you answered this)? National Alliance? I know exactly what Chaos means, btw. We find it implausible that vast numbers of Americans, including a relative of mine who is a structural engineer, would be willing to sign off on a hypothesis re 9-11 that is blatantly impossible. But even if your hypothesis is true, it may be impossible to get a majority of people to believe it. Therefore, I and, I think, Chaos would say, it’s a waste of time to push this. People cannot handle that much cognitive dissonance. We are already challenging them on race equality - the now-central organizing principle of the post-American/white regime. We have abundant facts at our disposal, as well as people’s lived reality. We should build on that, take on what really matters. Even if you could be proven right re 9-11, I guarantee there would be no widespread anti-semitic reaction. Most people would say (no doubt correctly), “Only a few Jews were responsible. Let’s not stigmatize a whole group. Remember the Nazis, etc”. And that would be it. On the other hand, immigration is a real and immediate problem, not just racially, but economically, esp for jobless Americans - or at least, it could be so presented. We could make real progress on that front, even if the movement to end immigration has to be couched in racially neutral budgetary or economic language. And longterm, ending or reducing immigration increases white EGI far more than getting people riled up at Israel, or Jews in general. Between liberals and Christian/evangelical Zionists, not to mention Jews themselves (and possibly nonwhites generally, fearing a WN reaction), nothing serious would happen to them. At most, an aid cutoff to Israel, maybe some antitrust legislation directed at Jewish media control (which would be wonderful, don’t misunderstand me). But that would not fundamentally change the existential plight of the white man. 950
Posted by Captainchaos on December 30, 2011, 11:41 PM | #
I don’t recall specifically doing as such. I’ve made comments that amount to casual ridicule on a great many topics on racialist forums. I’m a pretty cynical SOB and that shines through in my sense of humor. Last time I checked, not a (thought) crime. Oh, and captiousness, add that to my list of sins against good taste.
“Adopt National Socialism.” The end. “Wake the fuck up, you stupid lemmings.” The end. Other than that, I am not satisfied with my understanding of evolutionary theory, evolutionary psychology’s body of scientific findings, history, philosophy, economics, etc., ad nauseum that would enable me to write the kind of stuff I would wish to.
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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 31, 2011, 01:11 AM | #
In the next sentence, are going to ask me to believe that you are not for sale, Leon. Let me repeat your own words: “even if your hypothesis is true, it may be impossible to get a majority of people to believe it.” What can I say? “Get fucked, you whore”? Perhaps I’ve already said as much? Maybe you and Mat Parrot and Jared Taylor can find some kinda turd way? Apart from your jemorrhoidal weltanschauung , I couldn’t give a shit. Boy. Captcha = old14 What does it mean, Mr. Natural? 952
Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 31, 2011, 02:19 AM | # @Patton re: “CaptainChaos” “The big noble defender of the White race” Just don’t say anything about 9/11 - that would be “off topic” “CaptainChaos” is going to try to shut us up over this - 9/11 Truth will interfere with his ... well, what exactly? Some sort of Nazi Costume thing? Or some ideological something-or-other? Just don’t talk about 9/11! That was over TEN years ago! He “doesn’t give a fuck” - he’s more interested in “Holocaust Revisionism” but never talking about September 11, 2001. That’s how we can tell he’s a “REAL White Nationalist.” LOL 953
Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 31, 2011, 02:23 AM | # “Matt Parrott is chums with Wallace and they’ve helped each other, as observed above and in the Elitism thread. Parrott is fully malicious. “ My bad, you are correct. 954
Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 31, 2011, 02:32 AM | # In this very thread, earlier I caught Hunter Wallace posing as different people, posting various talking points, and even in one case, posing as Matt Parrot, complaining he couldn’t keep up. This is the “vanguard” of the so-called “pro-White” movement in the USA. Virtually certainly, run by the $SPLC and the rest. Laugh, it’s funny. 955
Posted by 911_Litmus_Test on December 31, 2011, 02:48 AM | # Leon Haller is a big freaking JOKE Leon Haller on December 30, 2011, 11:19 PM “including a relative of mine who is a structural engineer, would be willing to sign off on a hypothesis re 9-11 that is blatantly impossible.” LOL Really, this is not impressive, this is not convincing, and not worthy of a lot of though. These so-called “white nationalists against talking about the last decade of Bush/911 wars” have to be kidding themselves. But we all understand - many are “reformed” “Counter-Jihadists” telling us that some cave-dwelling ragheads did 9/11. We’re supposed to play along - but really, why? 956
Posted by Silver on December 31, 2011, 12:32 PM | #
IE they were backwards morons. But the fact is many of them were reasonably well educated or from “good” families—nothing like the primitives suggested by “cave-dwelling ragheads.” Not that it matters, since trutherism is kookology squared in any case. What a hoot it must all be for the watchdogs. Personally, I’m stuck trying to decide which is the more apt proverb: Are there “too many kooks, not enough Indians”? Or is it that “too many kooks spoil the broth”?
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Posted by Captainchaos on January 01, 2012, 09:26 AM | # 9/11 Jagoff, It would be a mistake to confuse my rather uncharacteristically humble and genuflecting last response with weakness. I only replied at all out of respect for the fine work Richards has done here of late. You have given me every reason to believe that you are intellectually a non-entity. P.S. Note the oily opportunism of Leon and the Silvster in the wake of this tempest in a teapot I created. LOL 958
Posted by J Richards on January 07, 2012, 11:27 AM | # 911_Litmus_Test @954 I’d advise you to stop citing AE911. As I briefly addressed above, this group is controlled opposition. They are a closed group that’s not interested in bringing independent researchers into the fold or networking with them, and they make numerous demonstrably false scientific and technical claims. NIST/government groups on the one hand and groups like AE911 on the other play a game of false dichotomy. You can read up more on it here: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/part-3-fabricating-the-historic-record-t604-60.html [this is toward the end of the evidence discussed, but just start from the beginning for a thorough understanding] Someone with your understanding should be prepared for the possibility that the hasbarim extend to many professional and technical bodies that are seemingly the opposition because… I don’t have to tell you what’s at stake for the Jews. If you want a resource for a thorough documentation of the video evidence and technical analysis by independent researchers, this is an excellent website, by the same person who has painstakingly documented the false dichotomy game being played above: Next entry: Oh ultimorum temporum, oh mores mortis Previous entry: The left poisoned and unpoisoned |
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Posted by Graham_Lister on September 11, 2011, 04:08 PM | #
I have little time for this topic but can I suggest that people that don’t agree with you might not be ‘controlled’ but simply have a different view, even if they are ultimately wrong? Perhaps you are wrong or mistaken in some regard? I don’t know.
What I do know is that there exists substantive evidence from entirely mainstream sources for the general malevolence of organised Jewry. Perhaps the aluminium-foil hats can be left to one side?
Thought experiment time - imagine you want to try to influence a fellow professional and get them thinking about the role of Jewry in the world. Would it not be better to lend them say “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy” or “The Holocaust Industry”, rather than talk about 9/11 conspiracy theories?
Honestly if you are trying to win over a ‘middle of the road’ average middle-class type, which do you think is likely to be more effective in raising his or her awareness on this general topic?