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That Hispanic IQ againIllegal Hispanic immigration into the USA has undoubtedly brought troubles in its wake—particularly in recent years. There is a high level of criminality in the resultant population and a high level of almost every social pathology you can name. See here and here for background. Most conservatives attribute the troubles with the illegal immigrant population to the way they have been mollycoddled and allowed to get away with anything by the American Left. If there is no pressure to be law-abiding, why should the immigrants be law-abiding? And I heartily agree with that analysis. I think it is mainstream America that has created most of the immigrant problem by bowing down to the unending demands for “tolerance” from the American Left. “Godless” at Gene Expression, Randall Parker and others, however, believe that the problem is more deepseated than that. They believe that with the best will in the world the Hispanics would still be an underclass. They base that view on the low average IQ recorded not only among the immigrants but even among their children and grandchildren. They take that low recorded IQ to represent a permanent genetic handicap. I am broadly sympathetic to that sort of reasoning and believe that some intergroup differences are real and important and do have large explanatory value. In my 30+ years as a psychometrician, however, I have developed a healthy awareness of what can go wrong in measuring psychological attributes, and in my own work I have always placed an unusual degree of emphasis on looking carefully at the criteria used to validate any given test or scale. And that emphasis has been greatly rewarded from an academic viewpoint in that I have on occasions been able to show a convergence between the psychometric measuring instrument and other indicators of what it purports to measure that is far greater than is normally obtained. A corollary of that, however, is that I am also unusually skeptical of a psychometric instrument that does NOT show a good convergence with other indicators of what it purports to measure. And that is why I am skeptical of the Hispanic IQ data. It seems to me that the Asian origins of the “Hispanics”—really Amerindians—and their historically recent achievements in building notable civilizations without outside input (the Aztec, Toltec, Olmec and other empires) do NOT suggest an unusually disadvantaging gene pool. So if it’s not their gene pool that is causing their low IQ scores, what is it? I think that what has happened is that a poorly-educated rural population has arrived in the USA only to be thrown into a behavioral sink, the behavioural sink of America’s predominantly black underclass. Because of their lack of skills, education and urban (particularly scholarly) culture the immigrants have from the beginning found only low-paid manual work and thus been forced to live very cheaply. And living cheaply has meant by and large living in predominantly black slums. And that slum environment has given their children values that are anti-intellectual, to say the least. And in his many essays on the subject Theodore Dalrymple has documented graphically how hard it is to climb out of such an environment. So the low recorded IQ of the Hispanic immigrants themselves is attributable to their rural origins (rural populations normally score badly on IQ tests) and the low recorded IQ of their children is attributable to the moronic environment in which they have grown up. Only about two thirds of IQ is genetic. The rest is cultural. And there could be few worse cultures for the development of intellect than the slums of (say) L.A. In ideal circumstances, a home environment formed by a culture that has been obsessed with education for 2,000 years (as in the case of the East Asians) might have allowed the children to rise above that handicap, but the Hispanics do not come from such a culture. So my belief is that if the children of the Hispanics could be got into good schools and put into a good environment generally, they would eventually merge into the American mainstream. I may well be wrong but given the unlikelihood that the Hispanic population of the USA will ever decline, all Americans should hope that I am right. (For convenience, I have combined my post above with my previous posts on immigration to make a single article. See here or here). Posted by jonjayray on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 at 09:22 AM in Immigration Comments:2
Posted by jonjayray on December 29, 2004, 10:54 AM | # My basic thesis is of course that Hispanics are different from blacks 3
Posted by Marc on December 29, 2004, 01:29 PM | # Just a few quick points: I don’t know too much about the Aztecs and the Mayans but, were they really that advanced, or were they just advanced relative to other Native Americans? Did their acheivements rank with the Romans, the Egyptians, the Persians, the Greeks, etc…? Also, if I recall correctly there was a huge population drop in the New World following the arrival of the Europeans due to disease. I think that the educated city-dwellers among the Aztecs certainly would have borne the brunt of this. Additionally, there was a significant infusion of Spanish genes, and who knows if the conquistadors were Spain’s best and brightest - or genetic flotsam that found its way ashore in MesoAmerica? Enough has changed in the Mexican gene pool to suggest that modern Mexicans *may* not have necessarily inherited the genes that compelled their ancestors to build an empire. 4
Posted by JRM on December 29, 2004, 02:27 PM | # “But to get to the meat of the matter: My doubts about the mean Hispanic IQ are based on genetics and history. As we know, Amerindians are Asians racially. And Asians are the brightest large human population. The Amerindians HAVE been separated from other Asians for a long time but the idea that selective pressures were less in the Americas than in Asia seems unlikely to me. There was clearly plenty of competition between rival Amerindian nations. So the remarkable achievements of the Meso-American civilizations (Aztecs, Toltecs, Incas etc.) were just what I would expect of their genetics. And those are still the genetics in them today. So I think that the depressed actual achievements are cultural. Don’t forget that only two thirds of the variance in IQ is genetic. The remaining third can make a lot of difference. “ Cochran and Harpending postulate that the Askenazi IQ difference, one SD above the European norm, was produced in the last thousand years. That time frame is a tenth of the separation time of Amerindians and their Central Asian ancestors. Rushton’s theory is cold weather climates are predictable but difficult to survive in. This selects for people who can plan ahead. That is, selects for intelligence. Presumably, when high IQ northeners go south to live, they don’t lose their intelligence. But the selection pressure has stopped. Also, be careful with the word “Hispanic”. There are differences between Cuban and Mexican immigrants. 5
Posted by razib on December 29, 2004, 06:13 PM | # one thing to note, mexican migration to the united states does not include the substantial middle class, rather, it is skewed toward the peasantry. 6
Posted by ben tillman on December 29, 2004, 07:23 PM | # Additionally, there was a significant infusion of Spanish genes… Judging from the Mexican faces I see in Texas, the Spanish genetic influence is outweighed by the Sephardic Jewish influence. 7
Posted by John Ray on December 29, 2004, 09:47 PM | # “Judging from the Mexican faces I see in Texas, the Spanish genetic influence is outweighed by the Sephardic Jewish influence.” I presume that’s a joke but the Sephardim DID leave a mark on Spanish genes of course—Maranos and all that 8
Posted by wintermute on December 29, 2004, 10:30 PM | # I presume that’s a joke but the Sephardim DID leave a mark on Spanish genes of course—Maranos and all that http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002111216_heritage07.html Greenspan, whose Family Tree DNA does the testing for Sanchez’s project, said there had been a surge of interest in genealogy among people looking for Jewish connections. “We believe a fairly high percentage of first families [arriving] in New Mexico were nominally Catholic, but their secret religion was Judaism,” he said. “We are finding between 10 percent and 15 percent of men living in New Mexico or south Texas or northern Mexico have a Y chromosome that tracks back to the Middle East.” 9
Posted by ben tillman on December 29, 2004, 10:55 PM | # I’m not making any claims regarding Mexicans in California; I’m simply reporting my observations from the field, in Texas. These observations comport with the historical record. http://www.cryptojews.com/TexasMexicanSecret.html Here’s how we know that many Tex-Mex Hispanics today are of Jewish ancestry. It’s a well accepted fact that the founding families of Monterrey and the nearby Mexican border area, “Nuevo Reyno de Leon” are of Sephardic Jewish origin. If we go back to the Diccionario Porrua de Historia Geografia y Biografia, it states that Luis de Carvajal y de a Cucva brought a shipload of Jews to settle his Mexican colony - with some Jews being converts to Catholicism from Judaism and others “openly addicted to their (Jewish) doctrine”. There’s an old, universally known anti-Semitic Mexican joke, a one-liner that says, “la gente de Monterrey son muy judios ... son muy codo”. In English it translates, “The people of Monterrey are very Jewish ... very tightwad”. Secret Jews colonized the states of Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamualipas and good old Texas, USA in the 1640’s-1680s and thereafter. The majority of Texas’s Spanish-speaking immigrants came from Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, and Coahuila (the old Neuvo Reyno de Leon) beginning in the 1680s. *** Historical exposure to and intermarriage with Sephardic secret Jews has occurred in the parts of Mexico that were “safer havens” for secret Jewish settlement. The safest haven was Southern Texas and the surrounding Mexican border area. 10
Posted by wintermute on December 30, 2004, 12:00 AM | # So my belief is that if the children of the Hispanics could be got into good schools and put into a good environment generally, they would eventually merge into the American mainstream. As they say - LOL. It strikes me as odd that a contemporary conservative blog, majorityrights, should be peddling failed solutions and false promises first advanced by the Left over 30 years ago. It’s even worse that this is done under the false premises of acting in the favor of the majority - which we may assume refers to Whites - which Jon Jay Ray doesn’t mind seeing biologically and culturally obliterated by Mexicans, or Britons superseded by a “dark skinned element”, while he’s busy replacing his poorer relations in Australia with “polite Indians”. Diversity is our greatest strength, JJR tells us, then adds quickly - the Queen believes this, too. As a White man who will not see his Race or Civilization destroyed by far-Left monstrosities like yourself, let me be the first to nominate both you and Liz and for the guillotine. I don’t see why anyone should agitate against Jews when agile social seekers like yourself are obviously the source of most of the damage, as you present their culture-destroying rot under the more palatable name of “conservatism”. To review, what is being offered as “conservatism” and “majority rights” by the estimable Jon Jay Ray? 1)Diversity is Strength. 2)Replace Austalians with Indians. 3)Replace Americans with Mexicans and resultant Mestizos 4)Recognize the hopelessness of the American situation: the “unlikelyhood” of “Hispanic decline”. 5)Recognize the hopelessness of UK decline: “The English egg” has “thoroughly scrambled” and “the dark-skinned population is not going to go away”. 6)Sell rivers of blood, race-replacement, and intermarriage under the name “assimilation”, as the “solution” to our problems. Finally, 7)Eject minorities which are harmful to the interests of Jews: “bad” Arab Muslims It’s a fine plan, JJR, but you must tell me this: why call it “conservatism” or “majorityrights”, when its true name, race war against Whites, is so much more descriptive? Are you trying to deceive someone? 11
Posted by wintermute on December 30, 2004, 12:00 AM | # I may well be wrong but given the unlikelihood that the Hispanic population of the USA will ever decline, all Americans should hope that I am right. You will forgive me, but I will not be hoping that you are right, not least because your statement is false on its face. It’s very clever of you to explain to Whites that there is no hope whatsoever for their own nations, or the preservation of their race, but you have not established your bona fides for me: I do not regard you as a trustworthy source. In fact, I don’t regard you as a conservative at all, a conclusion supported by your peddling of far left nostrums of some antiquity, along with your smelly ideologies of race and culture denial. You’re no better than a Bolshevik, J, though the Bolshevik in most cases would be more forthcoming about what he actually is. Assuming that the tide will not be turned, why not face facts rather than hope in lies which have already been discredited? Other alternatives, besides your far-Left multiracial utopianism, do present themselves. First of all, there is the adoption of non-Western social organization, where a single polity is inhabited by more or less non porous ethnic and religious groups. Without massive Federal intervention, this would certainly have already been seen in the US years ago. Also, peaceful partition which is always present as an alternative when the inevitable problems of one or more races per polity show up, as they always will. Why not simply give the Mexicans the Aztlan states, which are at the root of our land dispute, and decouple from them as a people? Likewise, the South could be given outright to Blacks, and then Whites would be free - for the most part - to go their own seperate ways. So the Monroe doctrine was a failure and Florida goes back to Spain via South America. Who really cares? Remember, the mechanism that has kept the discussion of race silent in the United States - massive, sustained, continual White Flight - is now coming to an end. It is hardly the case, as you suggest, that we have no options. Good discussion here: http://home.ddc.net/ygg/wn/index.htm Finally, may I suggest, as you find the company of Indians so delightful, that you spare us the difficulty of replacing the existing population of Australia, and simply remove yourself? I cannot speak for the Subcontinent, but the Anglosphere would be immeasurably improved. 12
Posted by John Ray on December 30, 2004, 01:02 AM | # Wintermute seems to think that abuse and accusations win arguments. He will remain marginal as long as he does that. I abuse no-one. I just work from the facts. The info about the Jewish element in Mexico was interesting, though. I see no sign of political will in the USA or the UK to do much about immigration of difficult populations so abuse your politicians, not me. I just report what I see. And as a contented citizen of a country that DOES control its immigration, I do think Americans and Brits could learn a lot from Oz. Nonetheless, I think the USA and UK will most likely end up with a Brazilian solution—with the genetically and culturally superior groups having their own enclaves and preserving their identity and capacities that way. Nobody ever seems to have the heart to “ship dem niggers back” 14
Posted by John Ray on December 30, 2004, 01:29 AM | # Reply to JRM “Cochran and Harpending postulate that the Askenazi IQ difference, one SD above the European norm, was produced in the last thousand years. That time frame is a tenth of the separation time of Amerindians and their Central Asian ancestors. Rushton’s theory is cold weather climates are predictable but difficult to survive in. This selects for people who can plan ahead. That is, selects for intelligence. Presumably, when high IQ northeners go south to live, they don’t lose their intelligence. But the selection pressure has stopped. Also, be careful with the word “Hispanic”. There are differences between Cuban and Mexican immigrants.” The cold weather theory is of course conventional but I think it is only a subset of the truth. I think a heavily challenged population IN ANY WAY is improved The mesoamericans are of course the chief challenge to the climate theory. In the Americas, civilization arose in the tropics, not the cold extremes. I think the Melanesians are an exception too. I seem to recollect from my time in the Australian Army that their IQ scores were good. And THEIR challenge is topographical (New Guinea is very mountainous) And selection pressure has never been “stopped” —changed or reduced only Yes. I would like to see “Hispanic” statistics broken down by race. Cubans and Mexicans are obviously very different. My frame of reference is principally L.A.—where I have done research 15
Posted by Svigor on December 30, 2004, 03:14 AM | # I see no sign of political will in the USA or the UK to do much about immigration of difficult populations so abuse your politicians, not me. I just report what I see. How can a conservative contributer to a blog like this pretend that the lack of white ethnic consciousness exists in a vacuum? White Americans didn’t spontaneously decide to become spineless, atomized wusses vis-a-vis their ethnic interests, they were browbeaten and lied into doing so by 60 years of relentless propaganda. The mesoamericans are of course the chief challenge to the climate theory. In the Americas, civilization arose in the tropics, not the cold extremes. 16
Posted by wintermute on December 30, 2004, 03:41 AM | # White Americans didn’t spontaneously decide to become spineless, atomized wusses vis-a-vis their ethnic interests, they were browbeaten and lied into doing so by 60 years of relentless propaganda. I would add that such propaganda was a thousand times more convincing, as it came from, or was seconded by, White “conservatives”, a process that is quite advanced by the current day, as is proven by the the Republican Party, the National Review, Free Republic, Fox News, etc. You can’t even post articles from vdare.com at Free Republic. National Review has had a moratorium on immigration stories for ten years now. Fox News still hasn’t come clean on the Israeli spying reports they buried. Without an agent on the inside the house, our opponents could not have prevailed. 17
Posted by ben tillman on December 30, 2004, 02:06 PM | # It seems to me that the Asian origins of the “Hispanics”—really Amerindians—and their historically recent achievements in building notable civilizations without outside input (the Aztec, Toltec, Olmec and other empires) do NOT suggest an unusually disadvantaging gene pool. So if it’s not their gene pool that is causing their low IQ scores, what is it? Well, it’s a bit of a leap to conclude that the current gene pool is the same as the earlier one, but this is an interesting question. I have not arrived at a satisfactory answer. I think that what has happened is that a poorly-educated rural population has arrived in the USA only to be thrown into a behavioral sink, the behavioural sink of America’s predominantly black underclass. Because of their lack of skills, education and urban (particularly scholarly) culture the immigrants have from the beginning found only low-paid manual work and thus been forced to live very cheaply. And living cheaply has meant by and large living in predominantly black slums. There is more segregation than you seem to think. Remember—most Mexicans arrive in this country unable to speak English. That severely limits their ability to pick up cultural memes from blacks in their vicinity. Have you had a chance to observe Mexicans in the United States? (I gather that you are an Australian.) 18
Posted by Marc on January 01, 2005, 05:11 AM | # I have to agree with wintermute. When I come onto a blog called majority rights I’m not expecting to hear someone stumping for Mexican immigrants. I expect to see a blog dedicated to my right to live in a country that I recognize as home. I no longer recognize my neighborhood or my country. The people who live here are foreign to me. They do not share my language or my culture. Frankly, I don’t think I should have to put up with it. Incidentally, I also have the right to go to sleep at night reasonably sure that my people will continue into the next generation, and the next. Instead, when I extrapolate from present trends, I see Europeans going extinct everywhere, and pro-immigrationists will only further that process if they get their way. I don’t want to come onto a blog called majority rights and listen to someone propose the gradual destruction of my people. 19
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 01, 2005, 12:51 PM | # Marc, God bless you for that post just above! God bless you for it. That’s all I can say. 20
Posted by John S Bolton on January 02, 2005, 09:33 PM | # The Lynn and Vanhanen collection of testing data indicates an average central american IQ of around 85. Environmental improvements might give them a two point reduction of the 15 point gap with the majority that they would start with. If one believes in assimilation, how can one not prefer each degree of pre-assimilation, and in terms of language in particular. Immigration of lower income populations involves aggression on the citizenry in the welfare societies of today; therefore, the majority has every right to turn it away. 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on January 02, 2005, 11:32 PM | # “Immigration of lower income populations involves aggression on the citizenry in the welfare societies of today; therefore, the majority has every right to turn it away.” (—John Bolton) Immigration in the massive numbers we’re seeing in the U.S. isn’t properly called “immigration” but population transfer or outright race-replacment. That’s the problem: we’re being forced to submit to massive racially-incompatible incoming population transfers, then slandered with name-calling if we don’t treat what’s going on as some sort of reasonable, limited, compatible, completely benign and harmless “immigration” policy such as we had prior to the 1965 race-replacement bill. 22
Posted by Hidalgo on February 12, 2006, 07:50 PM | # In reference to the cretins Lynn and the Finn, I would not place one iota of confidence in their data. For example, the Cuba IQ of 85 originates from a sinlge Florida study soon after Cuban refugees arrived fleeing castro, so that language difficulties, as in the case of immigrants arriving on American shores early in the last century, probably tainted the results significantly. What if their study had been conducted in 800 BC, how would the Northern Europeans have fared in their wealth? Would then a negative correlation between IQ and wealth have been found? 23
Posted by Eva on July 03, 2006, 07:00 PM | # Hello, I just feel like saying that I’m an 18 year old hispanic girl. I was born and raised in the Dom. Rep. and came here to the US to study. It’s funny what the first article said about the environment having to do much with the IQ but here I am to say that was raised in a household where studies were always first. I’m here, actually, because to my parents,my education is still first but for some odd reason I still feel like I’m behind everyone in my classes. It’s not because of the time I put into it or how hard I try, which left me with the conclusion that it must be my genes. Just felt like sharing my fustration. Thanks 24
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on July 03, 2006, 08:50 PM | # Hidalgo, most modern IQ studies account for language and culture differences. You say “probably,” but I’ll bet you can hunt down the truth about the test of Cubans. It was some time ago, so maybe you’re right. All the more reason to test Cubans now…oh, wait, they’re run by a Communist dictatorship and we can’t test them! Not that the western establishment would do anything but discourage such tests, even if they were a possibility, mind you… That’s the leftist modus operadi on this issue: assert equality, move to block testing the assertion. Rinse and repeat. 25
Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on July 03, 2006, 08:53 PM | # Eva, thrusting different groups into the same space is a recipe for envy, contempt, frustration, mistrust and, inevitably, increased government powers to suppress conflict. 26
Posted by ben tillman on July 03, 2006, 11:22 PM | # Eva, I don’t think the term Hispanic is very useful, as it encompasses Africans, Europeans, Amerindians, Sephardic Jews, and even East Indians, as well as various combinations of those ancestries—as long as they speak Spanish. You are right that intelligence is largely genetic, but that is no reason to stop trying to maximize your potential, whatever it may be. 27
Posted by Al Ross on July 04, 2006, 12:21 AM | # I like the nickname Hidalgo, denoting as it does, a Spanish gentleman whose blood has not been polluted by the Moorish interlopers. 28
Posted by imadjdiva on June 17, 2010, 10:19 AM | # I completely agree with you! 200 years of many generations of under-educated people need to learn how to learn. It’s a social problem, not a genetic one. Spain has no less than 7 universities that have been operating non-stop for over 500 years (puts Harvard to shame, now doesn’t it?). They have one of the highest higher-educated populations in the world. As far as the Aztecs and Mayans…they were very intelligent and advanced, and not just compared to other Native Americans.. The Romans never had the concept of zero, but the Mayas did. Both civilizations built pyramids… does that count as being advanced like the Egyptians? The IQ is there, it’s history that has to be overcome. 29
Posted by Nihilius Cunctor on June 17, 2010, 11:49 AM | # Did not have a mathematical concept of zero; nullus and nihil both mean “not any; nothing”, silencing the implication that the Romans were somehow semantically inferior to the Maya. And no, Rome did not “buil[d] pyramids”, idiot. 30
Posted by Desmond Jones on June 17, 2010, 04:30 PM | #
Yes and they also had a taste for human flesh and the need, apparently, to torture and sacrifice their children. Evidently the Mesoamericans may lay claim to the title of the most savagely brutal of humankind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice_in_pre-Columbian_cultures#Aztec_culture 31
Posted by Desmond Tutu on October 24, 2011, 08:48 AM | # Keep in mind, Desmond, that ancient Caucasians used to sacrifice as well. It is time to start brain scanning all races from birth till the end of college . Such a study will provide a final conclusion as to whether or not there truly is a major difference in each race when it comes to intelligence. 32
Posted by Desmond Jones on October 25, 2011, 02:11 AM | #
Yes, apparently there is evidence Minoans sacrificed and cannibalized their children. Some say it was ritualistic, some not.
It does make one wonder about the faith gene and its alleged ‘fitness’ prowess. 33
Posted by louis on October 25, 2011, 02:59 AM | # The Minoan evidence is quite slim and various interpretations have been offered (see e.g. Dennis D. Hughes for a discussion). Nothing like the Mesoamerican or Canaanite (so Caucasoid) cases. I’m not sure about the recent Paleolithic British findings. 34
Posted by Mike on January 07, 2012, 06:25 PM | # Everything above me is a textbook case of overthinking and overanalyzing. You don’t have to justify low IQ of hispanics on any grounds, when catastrophe is always inevitable by one simple fact: we are not getting hispanics of intellectual or high professional background in a country where the IQ - wherever it lies - is certainly on the lower side of 100. As razib said, the hispanics we are getting are skewed toward the peasantry. That is going to cause problems, end of story. Had we for the last 30 years been taking the unproven, common Asian Indian rather than the outstanding and well-educated one, Asian Indians today would be hanging out in the same neighborhoods as Hispanics instead of in the most luxurious gated communities. Indeed, you do actually see that with some Indian Sikh communities today who persist in such conditions, though having deeper roots in the US. This is because they tend, more often than other Indian groups, to come from farmer backgrounds. Anyone who has seen IQ score charts should know this, but the greater success of Asian Indians is not because India is a more intelligent country than Mexico. Even if you adjust for their lesser education, Asian Indians IN INDIA, on average, do not appear to exceed Mexico in IQ. Yet their reputation is totally the opposite , and if you say its because Indians start out speaking English, what about most Southeast Asian immigrant groups that come here either legally or not as refugees (a circumstance we can bend the rules for, but please do not over-dramatize the commoner Hispanic condition as being this deprived)? I don’t see Filipinos or Thai immigrants with anywhere near the same problems as Central American Hispanics. So when someone like me is suggesting that this mass influx of illegal Hispanics is dangerous, you need to understand that I am being sincere, not hateful of Hispanics. Why? Because, conversely, I welcome non-white Chinese, Indian, Southeast Asian immigrants who come here legally, having been checked for their backgrounds, with the goal of taking in the brighter and more ambitious ones. In the end, such policy reduces crime and increases prosperity in the long run. Remember, we need immigration that selects for the intelligent and you’re not going to get that from mass influx of uneducated immigrants from ANY country. We can make exceptions for certain individuals or for cases of refugees, but we cannot make exceptions to this overall trend. Next entry: The Illusion of Victory Previous entry: Judaism: Last Stop for American Protestants |
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Posted by Cathal Copeland on December 29, 2004, 09:43 AM | #
Oh dear,
I first misread the title as:
“That Hispanic IQ gain”
and hoped for some good news in this dreary domain. But no, the misery continues.
You write:
“So my belief is that if the children of the Hispanics could be got into good schools and put into a in a good environment generally, they would eventually merge into the American mainstream.”
Well, transracial adoption studies might be a useful kind of ‘natural experiment’ to test the truth or falsehood of this belief. As far as I know, such studies haven’t come up with very optimistic outcomes for blacks (virtually no impact on adult IQ, don’t know about impact on the crime rate).
Must do a bit of Google-researching and see if I can come up with anything ..