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The carelessness of Non-European Caucasions with European Caucasian interestsIn the latest issue of Newsweek is an essay by Fareed Zakaria concerning the rejection of the EU Constitution by the French and Dutch. Mr. Zakaria, like many of his ilk, does not seem very pleased when white folks vote in favor of their own interests. In his essay Zakaria tells us:-
Of course. How could I be so foolish not to see that Europe’s interest requires Turkish EU membership ... and plenty more youthful immigrants as well? And how welcome and courageous is such insight from Zakaria, even as he finishes telling us that the Dutch are in serious trouble with the Muslim immigrants they already have.
Well, anyone with a good understanding of demographic realities, genetics, culture - as well as the work of Frank Salter - will understand that Zakaria’s advice, if taken, will bring on the destruction of Europe. The genetic interests of Europeans will be destroyed, the Europeans displaced by biological and cultural aliens, the soon-to-be most populous nation in an EU sans internal borders would be Muslim, non-European Turkey … and with all these demographic shifts will come an eluctable shift in political power. Given One-Man-One-Vote democracy … laws against native Europeans defending their interests … the banning of parties in favor of European preservation … and the dynamics of multiculturalism that favors minority mobilization while majority mobilization is discouraged or outlawed … it is a stone-cold certainty that more immigration and Turkish integration would produce enormous political tension. Well, it is not surprising to me that a person named “Fareed Zakaria”, with the background, genetic ancestry, and phenotype shown here, would be in favor of immigration and Turkish integration as a “prescription” for Europe. Certainly, given what Zakaria is, it makes perfect sense. One wonders about all these non-European Caucasians (NECs). Zakaria is singing an oft-heard refrain. There’s the South Asians of GNXP, for example, and of Sepia Mutiny (to which Guessedworker recently linked). One can remember the Dinesh DeSouza-1994 AmRen conference controversy. In Salter’s book, there is a reference to one of the leading intellects of the idea of “constitutional patriotism” for Europe, whom Salter describes as a ‘German citizen of Persian origin.’ In Lothrop Stoddard’s The Rising Tide of Color is a quote by an Afghan railing against the West’s racial color line/caste system.
Sometimes fiction is instructive. Jared Taylor of American Renaissance has written an excellent review of Jean Raspail’s masterful work, The Camp of the Saints (for more on Raspail, see this link to this review.) I think the whole issue of Raspail’s book is relevant to a vision of maladaptive “constitutional patriotism” for whites, and relevant for individuals like Zakaria, DeSouza, GNXP, and all those who agree with them and support them. In any case, Taylor’s comments (excerpted from his review) are in plain text; my comments are in italicized font in brackets. Excerpts:-
Indeed. The part about hatred makes one wonder. Is it possible that NECs have a particularly deep distaste - more than that of other racial groups - for European-derived Caucasians (ECs) and for EC survival? Is it that NECs are tantalizingly close, racially speaking, to ECs? They are right there at the gates of European Man but can never cross the threshold to be him, and thence will always be reminded of their difference. Could that, then, cause NECs to be more frustrated than other races by their sense of exclusion? Is that it … “sour grapes”? Maybe so. But regardless of NEC motivations, regardless of why Mr Zakaria commends our extinction, we are under no obligation to take such “advice”. Posted by JW Holliday on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 at 07:01 PM in Ethnicity and Ethnic Genetic Interests Comments:2
Posted by john rackell on June 08, 2005, 10:01 PM | # I was struck by the fact that John Derbyshire whose writing I usually like is a supporter of Turkish membership. He’s not a NEC but I guess some Europeans don’t care a fig for this Salterian thing. D’s reasoning is strange: yes, it might destroy Europe but heck it’s worth rolling the dice on that for the chance of Turkey becoming a bourgeois nation. Very strange. I’m bringing this up not as a rebuttal but because though Zakaria is NEC his reasoning may be exactly the same as Derbyshire’s. But if Z. is unconsciously supporting his NEC gene’s cause whose cause is D. espousing. European destruction is assured with Turkey’s entry, it’s hardly a matter of reasonable debate. http://olimu.com/WebJournalism/Texts/Commentary/TurksIntoEU.htm 3
Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 08, 2005, 10:18 PM | # Turkey of course should never be allowed within a million light-years of membership in any organization whose aim is to unite the European nations. Derb is allied with the Jewish neocons, who, I believe (correct me if I’m wrong), for the most part favor Turkey’s admission to Europe. Douglas Feith, for example, was, at one point in his career, part of a lobbying effort to that end (pushing for Turkey’s admission to the E.U.). Anyone know why neocons and other Zionist Jews favor Turkey’s admission to the E.U.? Clearly it must be that they view it as being in Israel’s interest. Anyone know in what way Zionist Jews see Turkey’s admission to Europe as being in Israel’s interest? My guess is they simply are desperate for the Moslem nations near Israel to start coming under stronger Western influence in the hope they’ll lose some of their fanaticism vis-à-vis Israel. and for a few obvious reasons they see Turkey as the best place for the process to begin. Or is it for some other reason they favor Turkey’s joining Europe? 4
Posted by Svigor on June 08, 2005, 11:38 PM | # Derb is allied with the Jewish neocons, who, I believe (correct me if I’m wrong), for the most part favor Turkey’s admission to Europe. Yes, as far as I know neocon policy is staunchly for Turkish enrollment. 5
Posted by Svigor on June 08, 2005, 11:39 PM | # Anyone know in what way Zionist Jews see Turkey’s admission to Europe as being in Israel’s interest? Turkey and Israel are allies. 6
Posted by Svigor on June 08, 2005, 11:41 PM | # Btw, as far as I can tell Israel likes her enemies fanatical. Mossad gave succor to Hamas in the early days (according to a UPI story by Richard Sale if memory serves) because Israel prefers religious fanatics to secular types as enemies. 7
Posted by Svigor on June 08, 2005, 11:44 PM | # Does anyone here know anything about water rights and how they impact the politics of the Levant? I’ve read some interesting stuff but only just enough to pique my interest. 8
Posted by john rackell on June 09, 2005, 12:11 AM | # a quote from J Goldberg at NRO: “What do conservative immigration skeptics … think about the Turkey-EU brouhaha? It seems to me it highlights countless numerous concerns over legal immigration …Do you guys think it’s a bad idea for Europe? If so, does its badness for Europe mean, for whatever reason, the US should support it?” http://www.vdare.com/blog/122304_blog.htm It expresses a certain animus towards Europe - an expression of power politics. Europe is a competitor. If it weakens France and Germany it is good for the US. 9
Posted by Stuka on June 09, 2005, 09:38 AM | # ...a certain animus towards Europe… That’s putting it mildly. Neocons like Goldberg despise Europe and support her destruction. This isn’t news. Neocon hatred for Europe and Europeans is strongest among Jewish Neocons, I would argue, whose obsession with Nazi actions in WWII has expanded to include a hatred of all white Christians. It’s highly irrational. 10
Posted by Matra on June 09, 2005, 12:30 PM | # I was under the impression that western Turks were ethnically European. A lot of them look fair haired and many have blue eyes - though quite a few other Middle Easterners are the same. Anyone know much about Turkish ethnicity? Of course, they’re still Muslims and as far as most of us are concerned that’s always going to mean we should oppose their entry to the EU. Goldberg’s remark is disgraceful, but it does go the other way too. Indeed hatred of white Americans in Europe and Canada is far more common. I think I’m one of the few EU passport holders who sympathises with European Americans and Australians in their struggles with minorities. The vast majority of Europeans and Canadians I’ve heard discussing US race relations support the blacks and Mexicans. The handful of Irish and Englishmen I’ve spoken to about Australia are pro-Aborigine. I’ve seen wall murals in Catholic parts of Belfast dedicated to the American Indian, the US civil rights movement (which inspired their own), Australian Abos, and well before the release of Mandela I recall a huge ANC “comrades in the struggle against imperialism” mural right at the top of the Falls Road (the IRA’s main stronghold). They also have pro-Basque and Catalan murals but that’s another story. There’s an awful lot of petty-minded jealousy and prejudice between the European peoples of the world and I doubt if any of us are immune to it (I’ve never liked Germans myself and have trouble imagining myself ever being on their side of a conflict). It will be interesting to see if these attitudes change as the entire West’s situation becomes more perilous. 11
Posted by Charles Copeland on June 09, 2005, 12:55 PM | # Svigor, the book to read is Michael Klare’s ‘Resource Wars’: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805055762/002-6184166-7288036?v=glance 12
Posted by Fred Scrooby on June 09, 2005, 01:52 PM | # “Neocons like [Jonah] Goldberg despise Europe and support her destruction. This isn’t news. Neocon hatred for Europe and Europeans is strongest among Jewish Neocons, I would argue, whose obsession with Nazi actions in WWII has expanded to include a hatred of all white Christians. It’s highly irrational.” (—Stuka) “Goldberg’s remark is disgraceful, but it does go the other way too. Indeed hatred of white Americans [by white Europeans and white Canadians] is far more common.” (—Charles Copeland) Unfortunately there’s much truth in what both Stuka and Charles Copeland say. To add to the “symmetry,” here’s an excerpt from one of many log entries over the months by blogger “Plaut’s Complaint” (at Moonbat Central ) documenting examples of leftist Jewish wackos attacking Israel’s legitimate interests as insanely as both they and certain Jewish neocons attack the legitimate interests of white Christian nations: DePaul’s Resident Nazi Exposed by Dershowitz Professor Alan Dershowitz from Harvard has decided to expose some of the lies and the barely-hidden neonazi political agenda of “professor” Norman Finkelstein, an untenured assistant professor at DePaul University [...]. Finkelstein has been defined as a Holocaust Denier by the Anti-Defamation League. Like so many neonazis, Finkelstein is a regular Cockburn Cockroach over at Counterpunch. Dershowitz has become quite effective and combative in recent days when attacking Finkelstein, Chomsky, and Cockburn, the Triumvirate of Anti-Semitic Moonbatocracy. Dershowitz has set up a site to “out” DePaul’s Holocaust Denier. It is called ‘The Committee to Expose Norman Finkelstein’s Close Connections to Neo-Nazism, Holocaust Denial, and His “Big Lie” of an “International Jewish Conspiracy..’ [...] Dershowitz’s exposure of Finkelstein’s quack “opinions” and pseudo-scholarship is devastating. It is too long to reproduce here in full, but we provide a few small nuggets from the Dershowitz web site: Finkelstein Citations: Question: “[Mr. Finkelstein] If you are a historian, why didn’t you write a serious study about the subject? Why didn’t you do research yourself? Interview people, etc.?” …on obeying Chomsky “I don’t know about Judaism, but [neonazi Israel Shahak, an anti-Jewish zealot who wrote that Jews worship Satan] did. He knew it well. He took an interest in it and I have no doubt that what he wrote is accurate.” David Irving, the notorious Holocaust denier who claims there were no gas chambers and that Hitler was “the Jews’ greatest friend,” is “a good historian” who has “made an ‘indispensable’ contribution to our knowledge of World War II.” “All opinion-leaders, from the left to the right, are Jews…The Silence around my book in the US - if this is not a conspiracy, then what is one?” “Frankly, part of me says…‘you know what, we deserve the problem on our hands because some things Bin Laden says are true’. One of the things he said on that last tape was that ‘until we live in security, you’re not going to live in security’, and there is a certain amount of rightness in that.” And finally, “Never has one of my articles been published in a scientific magazine”. (Given that last admission, you might want to dash off an e-note to the heads of DePaul asking why a nazi loon like Finkelstein is still on their faculty. The list of their officers and emails is here.) Other Finkelstein pronouncements can be viewed on the Dershowitz document, also located here. Finally, let us note that an Israeli far-leftist anti-Israel fanatic lecturer from Ben Gurion University named Neve Gordon not only endorses Finkelstein’s rantings but compares Finkelstein ethically to the Prophets of the Bible. If you would like to tell his boss what you think of that, write to President Avishay Braverman at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address), President of Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheba 84105 Israel. Posted by Plaut’s Complaint @ 2:01:00 PM Eastern Time 13
Posted by JW Holliday on June 09, 2005, 02:44 PM | # Derbyshire is married to a Chinese woman, and has mixed-race children. He attacks MacDonald (and also the idea of white identity politics, eg, his American Conservative attack piece on KmacD), and has interesting house guests (eg, his “Swelling Wave” article). Derbyshire is a philosemitic NeoCon; one should not be surprised at his embrace of Turkey or is non-interest in European continuity (which he personally demonstrates). The point of the post was obviously not to say that only NECs support Turkey and immigrants! After all, the white elites of Europe and America do the same. However, I’m pointing out a particular pattern in which NECs seem to be motivated, across the board of the political spectrum, by a worm of racial (and cultural) resentment against white, Western man. Those familiar with Raspail’s work will recognize the “Clement Dio” character (a part-black North African with enormous racial resentment against whites, who propagandizes in support of the Ganges armada to destroy the hated white West) in many of these NEC commentators and bloggers. We have enough of our own traitors and idiots. To have NECs and other aliens come to our lands and then preach racial self-destruction to us is a bit much. And, their attitude suggests hostility. Read Zakaria’s entire essay. A few paragraphs after telling us that the Dutch are suffering with these immigrants, he is suggesting that Europe take in more! Would a white proponent of immigration make such an obvious slip? 14
Posted by JW Holliday on June 09, 2005, 02:59 PM | # Matra - Turks have a very varied set of phenotypes and genotypes. Check out this. Turks are a bit down. You can compare this more or less random parlimentary sample of western and eastern Turks to that of European ethnies. Although there certainly are “white” Turks, I’ll also suggest you check out the Wikipedia entry for “Mehmet Ali Agca”, for a more typical Turkic phenotype. Mr. Ali Agca’s phenotype is also interesting for another reason, but I’ll save that for the future, possibly. There is a lot of variable opinion of Turkish genetics. Interestingly, individual Turk samples tested for biogeographical ancestry sort of matched the phenotypic variability, in that individual Turks can be found who, genetically speaking, are most similar to each of the following 4 categories: Northern Europeans, Southern Europeans, Middle Easterners, and South Asians. How representative that sample is, I don’t know. I would presume Eastern But they are all Muslims. 15
Posted by JW Holliday on June 09, 2005, 03:15 PM | # Look at the juxtaposition of these two quotes from that online Zakaria essay: #1: “The “no” from Holland is clearly related to this. The nightmare unfolding in that country is that a large segment of its North African immigrant population is proving to be illiberal, unwilling to assimilate and, increasingly, violent. Against this grim backdrop….” #2: “Of course, what Europe desperately needs is more…young immigrants” Thus - what Europe “desperately needs” is more of a grim, violent nightmare! There I see the “mask” slipping off a bit. Yes, a white in favor of immigration may have written the second quote - but not in the same essay as the first one! There is something going on here. It may well be that it is buried deep in the psyche and not overt. But for an ostensibly intelligent and well-educated opinion writer to put both of these statements in the same essay is - a bit strange, no? 16
Posted by Svigor on June 09, 2005, 07:30 PM | # Svigor, the book to read is Michael Klare’s ‘Resource Wars’ Thanks. 17
Posted by Stuka on June 09, 2005, 11:11 PM | # I’ve known several Turks in my time. I was at school in the late ‘80s with one: Ali, a stocky, very dark, Brylcreemed chap who carried on a love/hate relationsip with another student, a Greek Cypriot from a well-known family in the diamond business. The other Turks I’ve known have been ladies, all of whom were fair-skinned, light-eyed, with blond, light brown, or red hair. I briefly worked with one, a Nordic-looking (blond, blue-eyed) Turkish woman, now a successful researcher in European security affairs. 18
Posted by Stuka on June 10, 2005, 08:57 AM | # Why is a decline in population growth in the West a problem for the power elites? Why is the proposed solution always more immigration, and not more births? What kind of thinking is at work that compels the power elites to ignore such an obvious fix? 19
Posted by Kubilai on June 10, 2005, 04:41 PM | # Why is the proposed solution always more immigration, and not more births? What kind of thinking is at work that compels the power elites to ignore such an obvious fix? - Stuka Both very good questions. The obvious results to those questions is race replacement and eventual genocide, however HOW did it get to this point? I would like to know why was there a global effort started around 1965 to allow immigration of all sorts of third worlders. The pace has significantly picked up over the last 2 decades, however the nidus was around that time. Why was this done? Who came up with it? I am aware of Jew’s involvement in this thing, however does anyone have a “unifying theory” that started back then and has ended up here? 20
Posted by Guessedworker on June 10, 2005, 07:09 PM | # Now, what would I be doing running a blog if I didn’t have a whole stack of unifying theories? Come to think of it, what am I doing running a blog? Anyhow, Kub, I’ll post on that probably Sunday night. 22
Posted by Phil on June 12, 2005, 03:54 PM | # Where is the irrefutable John Jay Ray when one needs him? Zakaria - supporter of open borders and supporter of the Iraq fiasco. A perfect poster boy for John Ray’s race-blind immigration policy. 23
Posted by warmaster on June 13, 2005, 07:47 PM | # This is in response to a question posed above about why Jew neocons and Israel-firsters want Turkey in the EU. I believe that they want Turkey in the EU 1)Because 10% of Turkish population is Jewish. 2) Bring in more non-whites to stop possibility of democratic uprising of racial nationalists. 3)They want more non-whites in Europe to destroy white purity through race-mixing, which will “never again” try to unseat jewish supremacy and power. Next entry: Site down again Previous entry: Sorry, but we’ll never understand women |
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Posted by Kubilai on June 08, 2005, 08:08 PM | #
Of course, what Europe desperately needs is more of all the trends that are producing populist paranoia. It needs more economic reform to survive in a new era of global competition, more young immigrants to sustain its social market and a more strategic relationship with the Muslim world, which would be dramatically enhanced by Turkish membership in the EU. - from the Newsweek quote
The nerve of this pompous (is there any other kind of South Asian?) son of a bitch. From the link you provided, JW…
Where is
IIT
on his resume? Why did this self-important leech need to educate himself in the bastions of post-secondary Western education? Yes, I know what Yale and Harvard have become, however let’s leave that for now because they ARE Western creations, as are Oxford and Cambridge. The gall of this parasite to soak up all that the West offers and only to turnaround and sing the death knell of Europe with his “opinion” reaches beyond the hypocritical and sits firmly amongst the absurd. Actually traitorous is more apt. So much for “selective immigration of only high IQ Asians”, eh John? I would literally wring his scrawny little neck if I had the opportunity.