The Communist Holocaust

Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 27, 2005, 02:22 PM | #

This is a little off the topic because it wasn’t political “in the 20th-century sense,” but another holocaust was the near wiping out of the American Indians by white men in the U.S. and Canada.  There’ve been many holocausts.  The Jewish one in the 40s wasn’t unique in a fundamental way though it was different in its details from others of course.  As for fundamentals, quite a few of the white people at all levels of society who went around killing Indians, or arranging to have them killed, or mistreating them so horribly that they were bound to die off, had explicitly in their minds the idea and goal of wiping out the North American red race.

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 27, 2005, 02:49 PM | #

Fred,

The vast majority of Red Indian deaths occured due to disease they had no resistance against because they had never been exposed to those germs before.

This is not to deny that there were Whites who killed Indians with the express purpose of destroying tribes but it is my understanding that the vast majority of deaths often occured simply due to contact with whites.

An interesting parallel (not of a holocaust but deaths due to disease) is of the enormous number of British and French colonial officers who died serving in the tropics because they contracted tropical diseases and their immune systems couldnt fend them off.

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 27, 2005, 02:53 PM | #

Incidentally, here is the Israeli equivalent (though on a much smaller scale of course):

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=380986

Posted by Effra on February 27, 2005, 03:35 PM | #

I await with baited breath the Hundred Million Victims Memorial Day; the dedication of the memorial to be opened by the Queen (on the site of the British Museum Reading Room would be suitable); the well financed professional lobbies to obtain restitution from successors to communist governments for all the death, injury, expropriations and deprivations of liberty and infringement of personal freedoms they caused; the hand-wringing documentary series (how could this have happened?) and feature films set in the GULAG or Warsaw Pact countries; the academic research institutes for the study of the ideology and its consequences; the systematic gathering of testimonies from survivors of collectivisation and the forced transfer of nationalities; the eyewitness testimony about what it was like to live in the half of Europe abandoned by the Allies in 1945; the show trials of surviving secret police, jailers, executioners…

Or maybe I’d just settle for an authoritative family tree for each member of the key bodies which directed the October Revolution, together with their real names.

Posted by Geoff Beck on February 27, 2005, 05:13 PM | #

Fred:

The important thing for White americans today is to prevent our genocide. That is what we can learn from the episode with red indians.

Already they are telling us to go back to Europe, but Europe won’t take us. Already they are reminding us not to abolish affirmative action bacause “you’re [the white man] going to need it”.

Funny though, the hucksters which preach the red indian guilt thing seem to relish the extinction of the white man.

Posted by Svigor on February 27, 2005, 07:33 PM | #

Some day producers of documentaries will deal appropriately with the most poisonous ideology ever created in the History of mankind and its 100 million victims.

I savor such thoughts now and then.  I will thoroughly enjoy the balancing of the scales.  I’d really like to see a comprehensive list of films recounting the Jewish holocaust of WW2, because I could use it to estimate what that balancing will entail.  My guess is that we’ll need to see thousands of films recounting the Communist holocausts (not counting the inevitable early attempts by Hollywood to whitewash the Communists to varying degrees in the process), since we now have hundreds of films on the Jewish holocaust, and the former killed 5-10 times as many people.

Posted by Phil Peterson on February 27, 2005, 07:38 PM | #

“not counting the inevitable early attempts by Hollywood to whitewash the Communists to varying degrees in the process”

If silence is whitewash then the whitewashing never stopped. I wonder how many Americans know how many died because of Communism.

For instance, if you were to stop people in the street randomly and ask them, “Sir, please can you tell us if you know how many people in the 20th century died under Communism?”. I doubt if 90 percent would have even the foggiest idea.

Posted by Matra on February 27, 2005, 08:11 PM | #

I’ve never bought the idea that white Americans, were responsible for a genocide. I find it rich that so many middle and upper class white Americans, for example Ward Churchill, are so quick to condemn those who built the country in which they now lead such comfortable lives. To condemn the settlers while benefiting from what they did is just cheap empty moralism.

As to the communist holocaust, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for producers of documentaries to show what happened. They are more interested in telling us again and again about alleged Nazi collaborators from the Baltics, Poland and other Eastern European nations. The suffering of those people under the Soviets will probably remain unkown in western Europe and North America. Already they are building new Stalin statues in Russia, meanwhile the poor Poles rather than being seen as victims of both the Soviets and the Nazis are portrayed as Jew-haters on a par with the Nazis.

I remember a Ukrainian exhibition at the university I attended which emphasised the famines the Ukrainians suffered through. It was dismissed as “anti-communist” and “anti-Soviet” by leftist students. The last time I was on the campus I noticed several students wearing Che Guevara and hammer and sickle T-shirts. The Socialist Worker and Marxist-Leninist Weekly/daily, or whatever it is called, was sold proudly by scruffy looking students. The main Russian history professor had a bust of Stalin in her office. I suspect the university I attended is the norm in both North America and Europe. It will take a Long March through all the cultural institutions of the West to make the average person aware of what happened in the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc satellite states.

Posted by Svigor on February 27, 2005, 08:24 PM | #

“not counting the inevitable early attempts by Hollywood to whitewash the Communists to varying degrees in the process”

If silence is whitewash then the whitewashing never stopped. I wonder how many Americans know how many died because of Communism.

I agree that silence is equivalent to whitewashing here.  Just to clarify, that parenthetical comment was meant to predict Hollywood’s treatment of the matter, not to imply that Hollywood has dealt with and whitewashed the Communist holocausts already.

As to the communist holocaust, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for producers of documentaries to show what happened. They are more interested in telling us again and again about alleged Nazi collaborators from the Baltics, Poland and other Eastern European nations.

I agree, but I think that eventually it’s inevitable that history will balance the scales.  Just think of it this way: each new film on the Jewish holocaust will one day pay dividends of 5-10 films on the Communist holocausts.

Posted by John S Bolton on March 01, 2005, 02:09 AM | #

So long as government schools exist and predominate in the world, there will be an omerta on the 100+ millions killed by the communist subhuman. To make propaganda ~against~ mass murder for the hell of it, would betray the founding impulse of public education; that aggression in the field of ideas is legitimate.