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The Griffin SpeaksOne should not flood MR with too frequent posts, but this video is exceptionally good. UPDATE Posted by Søren Renner on Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 11:18 AM in Comments:2
Posted by EX-TORY on May 27, 2009, 12:25 PM | # I advise everyone to watch this brilliant video as well: 3
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 01:27 PM | # In future, EX-TORY, it’ll be considered “hate” to show a video like that and, mark this well, it will be prosecuted as a “hate crime” to the fullest extent of the law, and judging you in the course of such prosecution will be not Englishmen like you but malcontent white lesbians out for revenge against “The Patriarchy,” Hindus, Pakis, Chinamen, Jamaican and Nigerian Negroes, and Eurochristian-hating Jews. Anyone now in possession of such videos had better make plans to keep them hidden against a future when they’ll be both needed to educate upcoming generations as to the way things used to be and can be again, and forbidden the way child pornography rightly is today and grounds for draconian criminal prosecution if caught. That is not hyperbole. That is fact. It is going to happen. Can that future be changed? Yes but only if decent white men act NOW, not tomorrow or another time. Part of acting is voting. Enough said. PART OF ACTING TO STAVE OFF SUCH A FUTURE IS VOTING. ENOUGH SAID. This comment is meant not for regulars here, of course, who already know all this, but for any others who may have wandered in for a look around. When you wander back out, please take the above thoughts with you. 4
Posted by Bill on May 27, 2009, 01:42 PM | # The news reader said that the majority of immigrants coming into Britain are white and from the EU. This is a lie, a total scurrilous lie. The bulk of immigration is coming from the third world, Griffin should have challenged this. Where are these D Day veterans who are deeply offended by the BNP’s ‘What would their mates say’.... We need immigration, we neeeeed immigration - bollocks! and Griffin should have said so. TV man openly infers that Griffin, by being far right (is a Nazi) he and his British supporters would start a war and would foot and mouth (shoot and burn) all opposition. According to the TV man, this anger is all down to the MP’s expense furore, no it isn’t it’s the whole bloody shooting match. Political Correctness, surveillance, police state, immigration, hate laws, multiculturalism, affirmative action, yada, yada, yada. TV man alludes to Griffin and Barnbrook (are an item?) Hmmm? (Guest at palace.) Nick and his advisers should run and analyse theses clips over and over, Nick must learn to spot these dreadful lies and innuendos and instantly shoot them down. Make the TV people look like the traitors they are. Griffin is coming on by leaps and bounds, but he is still too reactive, was he a counter puncher in his boxing days? Too many lies and assertions by commentators go unchallenged. Let’s see some two fisted attacks to the head and body. Metaphorically speaking of course. Keep up the good work, it’s all coming together.. 5
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 02:05 PM | # Excellent points by Bill. I hadn’t sensed, watching the thing, that the interviewer’s question as to why Barnbrook had invited Griffin to the Queen’s must certainly have been an attempt to insinuate the possibility of a homosexual relationship. Bill caught it and I agree that MUST have been its purpose. I’ll just add a word about Griffin’s “body language” during the interview: he was sort of leaning forward in just a hint of a slouch, with both arms kept forward resting on the table. It was OK but not ideal. Ideal would have been — well, I’m not going to speculate but there are experts in “body language” who know which kind of physical bearing makes the best impression for this or that goal, and the BNP should consult one to coach Griffin. One session is all it would take, and Griff would go home and practice getting the recommendations down pat for his next interview. 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 02:30 PM | # One more thing if I may, and I realize I’ve said this umpteen gazillion times here and elsewhere (just recently over at Prozium’s) and I realize most are unmoved or outright think I’m full of it, but in my view no one on our side should accept to be labeled as “right” let alone “far right.” As far as I’m concerned Nick Griffin and the BNP are strictly a middle-of-the-road, slightly left-of-center party and in their place I would flatly reject any other description. I would call Griffin a Progressive. I’d love it if he called himself that and politely, steadfastly repeated it when called “right” or especially “far right.” I DON’T CARE who “already owns the word progressive.” I don’t care in the least. As of now I own it, as far as I’m concerned. That’s my feeling on the matter. Take what you need, men! Take what you need! Did anyone consult us before setting in motion the wheels of our race-replacement? Hell no, they just went ahead and did it! Did anyone consult us before deciding who would get to be called “the Progressives”? No, no more than the other consulted us! So f*ck them, as far as I’m concerned. We’re the Progressives. (I actually like “Normals” better, for Progressives will do for now. “Right wing”? I reject that UTTERLY.) 7
Posted by Englander on May 27, 2009, 02:37 PM | # Is last night’s election broadcast by the BNP on youtube yet? I missed it when it aired. 8
Posted by CullTheDumbest on May 27, 2009, 02:45 PM | #
Agreed. Claim the center as the normal, just, unbiased, fair and upright. Ever other party is an unreasonable and proven dangerous extremist with a narrow special interest constituency, whether the very bottom or the very top classes, who are at war against the productive majority. The BNP is the only reasonable centrist party capable of doing right by all involved. 9
Posted by Red Mercury on May 27, 2009, 03:05 PM | # Yes. The real extremists are those who are imposing Race Replacement schemes on White populations. The true radicals are found in the establishment parties, with their Multi-Cult programming and genocide agenda. The BNP are against racism, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. 10
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 27, 2009, 03:54 PM | # What a pleasure to see someone on TV advocate so unabashedly for our people. I’m afraid it will come to violence before we’ll ever see such a thing on American TV. The newsman’s attempt to paint that as “extreme” - right in the wake of Griffin’s analogies with the black police and muslim lawyers - came across to me, and others I hope, as an own goal scored by a robot reading from a worn out script. 11
Posted by Bill on May 27, 2009, 03:57 PM | # Fred. Some more thoughts on the BNP and the media types. It doesn’t suit the media’s agenda not to label Griffin as a Nazi and you know why. The holocaust connotation is the jewel in the crown of bash whitey, inculcate guilt into those nasty, brutal, far right BNP scum. I’ve seen countless opportunities go begging by the BNP to stick it to the media and make them look like stupid traitors. (useful idiots) Counter to charge of being a far right Nazi storm trooper. ‘You mean all those British people from hard working families, with British values of fair play, who only have the BNP to to turn to because you, (media) have turned your back on them. Are you actually saying they wish to throw people into concentration camps and gas and burn them. Is that what you’re really implying?’ Counter to we need more immigration. ‘Why do we need endless immigration? What do you think will become of the white British if mass immigration continues to flood the country with non whites. What do you think will happen to our culture if this happens? Do you want your grandchildren to grow up in a non white country? Do you want white British whites to be gone from this land? You sound as if you do. Why do you want whites to disappear and be replaced by people of colour. Tell me please do.’ There are endless other variations to counter ‘We need immigration’. Jobs, housing, infrastructure, water, carrying capacity etc.etc. Endless immigration is a no brainer. The killer charge against the BNP is racism. Griffin always winces when the word is uttered, no matter how many times he hears the charge, he’s like boxer who has taken a straight right on the jaw and didn’t see it coming. The cry for more immigration and similarly the charge of racism by the media, can be legitimately and logically countered by the BNP. They seem reluctant to vigorously defend their views. Jeeeze, it’s them, the BNP who are in the right, it’s the media who are the bastards in all of this and yet the BNP still get a bashing. Perhaps they’re insufficiently agile to think on their feet. A cruel charge perhaps, but maybe true. I think the time is rapidly approaching, (if not already here) where a different type of BNP politician is needed, a thinking man’s politician if you like. Nick Griffin (and his supporters) have performed a herculean task in getting this far, I take my hat of to them, I really do, but perhaps the time has come - to step up a gear or two in the cerebral department. Perhaps MR need to set up thread similar to countering the liberal lexicon, by think-tank ideas to counter these interview techniques of slur used by the media. 12
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 27, 2009, 04:06 PM | # Fred makes a good point. One he’s made before and which is well worth reiterating. The snappy refutation to any accusation, or even a quick snide and passing comment as in this interview, that advocating for our people is “extreme”: I am not “extreme”. I’m perfectly sane and perfectly normal. It is my intent to serve the healthy interests of myself and other perfectly normal people like myself. If you have a problem with that it is because you’re the one who is “extreme”. 13
Posted by EX-TORY on May 27, 2009, 05:08 PM | # According to recent opinion polls, “extremist” parties like the BNP are expected to have 150 seats in the 736-member European Parliament. I hate to say it, but Ian Jobling was right all along. The central aspect of his marketing strategy is the same as the European nationalist right in general, and the BNP in particular: go soft on the Jews, abandon Holocaust revisionism and National Socialist ideology, and you will disassociate yourself from the “evils” of Nazism and thereby gain votes. The difference between the BNP and Ian Jobling is that he merely creates websites and does almost nothing else besides. But the overall trend in Europe suggests that his marketing strategy, when combined with genuine political activism, is capable of yielding fruitful political gain. I am NOT suggesting it is morally acceptable and worth pursuing. It’s bad in the long term, for it means surrendering to the Jew, and ignoring the underlying root cause of our racial problems. But I can see why the BNP is doing it. Perhaps it is about time Americans imitate the methods of the BNP? 14
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 27, 2009, 05:31 PM | # Ian Jobling doesn’t just disassociate himself, he actively joins in the bashing of anyone who would criticize jews. The BNP obviously puts the native Britons first. Jobling obviously puts jews first. 15
Posted by Søren Renner on May 27, 2009, 05:34 PM | # If we could get the thin edge of our wedge into any elected body here in an election conducted by proportional representation, I’d say maybe yes. The BNP technique depends on PR elections. Doesn’t it? 16
Posted by torgrim on May 27, 2009, 05:42 PM | # Ex-Tory- “Perhaps it is about time Americans imitate the methods of the BNP.” If only, if only…....but hence what works in Britain unfortunately will not work here, we need another tack. 17
Posted by EX-TORY on May 27, 2009, 05:48 PM | # Tanstaafl wrote: Ian Jobling doesn’t just disassociate himself, he actively joins in the bashing of anyone who would criticize jews. The BNP obviously puts the native Britons first. Jobling obviously puts jews first. Whatever Jobling’s motivations, based on the recent successes of the nationalist Righ tin Europe, one thing stands out clear and undeniable: abandoning the Jewish Question, Holocaust Revisionism, and National Socialist ideology/imagery is a good marketing strategy. American nationalists take note. 18
Posted by Guessedworker on May 27, 2009, 05:48 PM | # Soren, PR in any form comes down to who builds the majority coalition. That said, it is synonimous with unstable government because coalitions break down so easily. The British system of First Past The Post can deliver the reins of government on a third of the popular vote. Labour won the 2005 election with 35.3% of the popular vote, won 55.11% of the seats, and had a parliamentary majority of 67. The turnout was 61.3%, which meant that Labour’s share of the total electorate was just 22.3%. 19
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 27, 2009, 05:57 PM | # It’s also obvious that despite their “marketing strategy” the BNP is still relentlessly attacked as “racist” and “fascist”. They are gaining support now for the same reasons the German National Socialists did in the 1930s: they’re speaking truth in the midst of a great crisis. The regime’s lies are threadbare. The people, deep down, know it. I couldn’t care less if some anti-White bolshevist calls me a “racist” or “fascist”. They do me the favor of identifying themselves as a fool or enemy. I suspect many BNP supporters feel similarly. They’re fed up with the two-faced sanctimonious moralizing from people who hate them no matter what they do. This is, of course, not at all the kind of sentiments Jobling appeals to. His “marketing strategy” is to pledge to protect jews from the “judeo-obsessives” who recognize where the anti-White bolshevism originates. 20
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 27, 2009, 06:04 PM | # I don’t mean for those quotes around “marketing strategy” to come across as sarcasm against your point about the BNP’s path to success EX-TORY. I agree with it. It’s the comparison to Jobling I don’t agree with. 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 06:08 PM | # As everyone knows I view Jobling as an important and staunch ally and I wish him and his web-site the best of success in whatever strategy he chooses to pursue. But here’s his Alexa page, and his traffic ranking continues to hover at around a million: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.whiteamerica.us . Neither Jews nor anyone else much seems to be “flocking to his site.” 22
Posted by Dasein on May 27, 2009, 06:14 PM | #
One of the better-known far-right parties in Germany (the DVU) has recently been switching to what they call a ‘New Right’ position. Jews are not a problem, the real enemy is Muslims, and culture trumps biology. The most ‘extreme’ nationalist party (the NPD) has not made any such shifts in strategy, and in fact at their last party convention the more extreme elements of the party were said to have gained more power (although it’s a hackneyed term, there really are ‘neo-Nazis’ and they seem to prefer the NPD to any other party). It’s a big election year in Germany, so we’ll see which tactic works. The NPD has a much stronger youth base and is more polished, although the DVU recently revamped their website (a Swedish multi-millionaire has recently thrown his support behind the party so it could be that they have more cash for such things now). The two parties have an agreement not to compete with each other in elections (the Deutschland Pakt), but it will be interesting to see how this holds up now that they appear to be drifting apart philosophically. 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 06:18 PM | # I read Jobling’s site regularly, by the way — as regularly as he posts new material or his forum gets active; I find the site outstanding, excellent, and I give it my highest recommendation. As everyone also knows, I disagree with his total discounting of a Jewish role in all this. He’s one thousand percent wrong in that. He’s also too snide, bitchy, and obnoxious in the comments he makes about us. But none of that is the important thing: the important thing is that opponents of race-replacement must win and he’s on our side. 24
Posted by EX-TORY on May 27, 2009, 06:25 PM | # Tanstaafl wrote: “It’s also obvious that despite their ‘marketing strategy’ the BNP is still relentlessly attacked as “racist” and ‘fascist’.” But increasingly such accusations run off the BNP like water, no doubt as a result of their recent marketing efforts. “They are gaining support now for the same reasons the German National Socialists did in the 1930s: they’re speaking truth in the midst of a great crisis.” The old BNP wouldn’t be enjoying the same degree of success even in the midst of the economic crisis. Most of BNP’s votes would probably go to UKIP if the BNP hadn’t got its act together by now. “His ‘marketing strategy’ is to pledge to protect jews from the “judeo-obsessives” who recognize where the anti-White bolshevism originates.” On the other hand, Griffin has stated on several occasions that he supports the state of Israel, that six million Jews died in the Holocaust, that Churchill was heroically fighting against Nazi tyranny and foreign invasion, that the BNP welcomes Jewish members, and so on. Even if, as you suggest, their motivations differ, Griffin and Jobling have in effect adopted the same public position on the Jewish question, Holocaust revisionism, and National Socialism. They both recognise that this is the way to win votes. The only difference is that Griffin is actually doing something other than creating websites. 25
Posted by skeptical on May 27, 2009, 06:32 PM | # EX-TORY,
In all fairness it is not possible to replicate the BNP phenomena in America. I am sure that other American commenters would agree with this. 26
Posted by Desmond Jones on May 27, 2009, 07:04 PM | # What exactly are the successes of the BNP? Let’s see them demonstrate their electability before pompous gits start lecturing Americans upon which nationalist “strategy” is in their best interest. West Bromwich, 1973, 16% of the vote. Maggie gives her “swamping” speech in 1978, gets elected in 1979 and the NF goes the way of Puff the Magic Dragon. How soon we forget! 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 07:07 PM | # I agree with you, Skeptical, and with the others who’ve made the same point. My feeling is that over here the best way to go is to start pushing for secession, whether of states or regions and no matter where, as long as it’s white people with our views who are behind it. Also, the Jewish problem over here is enormous, something like an order of magnitude bigger than any Jewish problem Europe directly confronts, which is why good British and European comrades like GW, A Finn, Hoff, and others see our empahsis on the Jewish factor as unjustified and would like to hear less of it. Not having the sheer number of Jews over there which we have here, they can’t see it. What they do see is America’s bad influence on them, not realizing that in turn is Jewish influence on America which white Americans dislike as much as they in Europe do. I think the Jewish problem over here has to be tackled openly, certainly at the “intellectual” level. The Jewish approach is to ignore it, deny it, denounce it, shout “anti-Semite!,” and hope it will go away. It’s not going to go away and will only get worse the longer it’s not confronted head-on and solved by decent well-meaning people on both sides. There are plenty of “non-anti-Semitic” ways to confront it head-on (I deny the term “anti-Semitic” has any meaning but I use it, as here, when I have to in order to communicate with folk who see it as meaning something). Lawrence Auster, for example, has outlined a way of talking to the Jews which he would consider proper and which would get our objections to their behavior across adequately. He feels that part of the reason Jews behave in certain destructive ways is they’ve never been told, in a manner that they find appropriate, how much we consider their behavior unacceptable. Jews on our side should be recruited to either do the talking to the bad Jews (about 99.9999999999% of them) or train us in how to go about it. With some Jews you’re never going to win because everything in the universe to them is anti-Semitic, but so be it, whatever horrific consequences ensue from their not listening will be on their heads for eternity. Let them think about that. 28
Posted by Guessedworker on May 27, 2009, 07:32 PM | # EX-TORY: Griffin and Jobling have in effect adopted the same public position on the Jewish question, Holocaust revisionism, and National Socialism. When I challenged Jobling some months back I had the distinct impression that he truly, deeply believes in saving us from our “Judeophobia”. But beyond that I think that he sees Jewish lives and Jewish freedom as supreme values. OK, his refusal to accept Jewish ethnic activism as any kind of real-world fact might possibly be a condition for saving us from our, as he sees it, self-harming Judeophobia. But his strident advocacy of Lieberman’s attack on MacDonald takes us beyond that, to true Jewish activism. I’m sorry, I just don’t trust him. At best he is a vain distraction. I’d take Alex Linder any day (though Alex probably thinks all the above about us!) 29
Posted by Loriver on May 27, 2009, 07:45 PM | #
Three things: a) Jobling also is on the record saying he doesn’t care about race per se, it’s all about culture for him. Therefore he is not something to emulate. b) It’s damned obvious that dropping any suggestion of Nazism, including all but delicate references to Jews, is necessary - at least for the foreseeable future. However, out of the public eye (e.g. places like this) discussion can be a little more free. c) People who give any credence to the big JQ idea should consider that apart from Jewish influence, the other change that has occurred over the past few centuries is an incredible change in environment, totally unprecedented in human history in so many ways. What is more realistic: the Jews did it almost all themselves, or it is essentially an environmental problem (with lack of cues prompting ethnic nepotism, excessive comfort making people soft etc.), coupled with ideological/sociological unpreparedness…with perhaps a small contribution by the Jews? PS Don’t you think the Nazis were evil, at all? You have no qualms about genocide and the initiation of insanely destructive warfare? Well OK… 30
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 27, 2009, 07:45 PM | # Hoo boy. It isn’t how you talk to jews that’s the problem Fred. You can see that in something as simple as how so many of them went batshit foaming at the mouth apoplectic with fear and loathing at the improbable prospect of Sarah Palin as VP. It didn’t matter to them that she’s a zionist who would throw people like you and me to lions, literally, in order to protect jews. What mattered is the same je ne sais quoi that made her instinctively appealing to so many White voters. For jews being White is offense enough. Saying you’re White is worthy of condemnation. Saying you’re White and favor Whites over anyone else, but especially jews, is a hate crime. Trying to talk to them about it? Not even your chosen guru on the matter, Lawrence Auster, is capable of handling that truth. As you say, he thinks the problem is nobody’s ever told jews that what they’re doing is wrong. Riiiiiiight. It’s all our fault. How….original. 31
Posted by q on May 27, 2009, 07:47 PM | #
I agree, the USA is too far gone for a BNP phenomena to become a reality The election of Obama is the best indicator of just how far we have declined. I compare this decline to Detroit. Detroit was once a vibrant first-class majority white city, run by whites, with a first rate public school system, great public transportation, clean neighborhoods, libraries, etc. What happened to Detroit? Why the decline? Answer: Brown v Board of Education and the subsequent forced crossed district busing policy designed by liberal (read anti-white Marxist [mostly white, btw]) social engineers to achieve racial integration. Result: White flight to the burbs resulting in a near zero white population within Detroit proper. Now Detroit is such third-world crime-ridden slum, even the Negroes are fleeing from it at a rapid pace. Now the white suburbs of Detroit are being inundated with ghetto Negroes via government funded(our tax dollars) housing programs such as ‘Section 8’. Who can dispute that the entire USA is going the way of Detroit? Brown v the Board of Education was the seminal event that marked the beginning of the end for White majority control in the USA. Good job you traitorous white-liberal scum! 32
Posted by Guessedworker on May 27, 2009, 07:48 PM | # Fred: Also, the Jewish problem over here is enormous, something like an order of magnitude bigger than any Jewish problem Europe directly confronts, which is why good British and European comrades like GW, A Finn, Hoff, and others see our empahsis on the Jewish factor as unjustified and would like to hear less of it. Speaking for myself, I would like a deeper and more rounded analysis, that’s all. I am not unhappy that we discuss the JQ. I think it is important to discuss the JQ. But if the focus is narrowed too much, something goes missing - and, ultimately, that something is us, ourselves. Alex’s (sort of) libertarianism demonstrates this to a T. The late John Bryant’s faith in isostasy also. There is no way to convince Single Causers of this, because they do not acknowledge that there is no way out but through the acquired in the self. 33
Posted by skeptical on May 27, 2009, 08:25 PM | # GW,
Agreed. Towards that end, how do the JQ fanatics explain the anti-racist leftism of a typical continental European nation (i.e. Sweden, Netherlands, etc)? This has always been a sticking point for me since so few Jews actually live in those nations nowadays (seeing as how they all came to America). 34
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 27, 2009, 08:57 PM | #
How much does the United States influence those Jew-sparse countries? Zero? Or quite a bit? (Britain and France aren’t Jew-sparse. We’re talking here about the others.) How much do the U.S.‘s Jews influence the United States? Zero? Or quite a bit? Applying the transitive law (or whatever): How much do the U.S.‘s Jews influence those Jew-sparse countries? Zero? Or quite a bit? (And how much do Jew-rich Britain and France help to influence them?) Why are the U.S.‘s Euros as if paralysed, seemingly unable to react? Same reason a prey animal is, unable to react, when its nervous system is taken over by predator neurotoxin. The mass media are a country’s nervous system. Draw your conclusions. 35
Posted by Texan on May 27, 2009, 09:09 PM | #
Yep. Can anyone point me to an interesting, insightful article Jobling has written? He’s a dull, philo-semitic non-entity.
Not even close to being true. You’ve also got a short memory if you’re attributing the “don’t talk about the Jews” strategy to Jobling, as he’s hardly the first to advocate that position. Jobling’s former boss, Jared Taylor, did it first and still does it better. The BNP’s position is actually a lot closer to Taylor’s than it is to Jobling’s. You don’t see the BNP blaming whites for all conflict between whites and Jews or promoting the work of an anti-white, professional ethnic hitman like Lieberman. BNP is using the Amren strategy, not the Jewishamerica.US strategy. 36
Posted by Texan on May 27, 2009, 10:20 PM | # Didn’t mean to imply that Taylor did it *first*, just that he did it before Jobling. 37
Posted by CullTheDumbest on May 27, 2009, 10:44 PM | #
Scandinavia - Jewish Media Ownership The newspapers and television set the tone for permissible public discourse. All it takes is a handful of owners and a host of compliant employees easily dismissed if they dissent. This is a powerful tool if control could be wrested back to the Euroman. 38
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 12:20 AM | # Scrooby, The various continental European nations don’t follow America’s lead on many different issues (large and small). If these nations were really under America’s spell then I would not expect that to be the case. CullTheDumbest, After following the link you provided I was, quite frankly, disappointed. If someone were to exhaustively chronicle the Jewish takeover of American media it would fill many web pages if not a whole book. Granted Scandinavia isn’t as large and populous as the U.S., but I was still hoping for more. 39
Posted by CullTheDumbest on May 28, 2009, 12:35 AM | # Your skepticism would ring with truth if you offered a counterpoint highlighting all the non-Jewish major media control throughout Scandinavia. I don’t believe that will happen exactly because there is so little to be had and all of it is covered at the web page provided. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise. 40
Posted by Desmond Jones on May 28, 2009, 12:40 AM | #
It worked for Sinatra… 41
Posted by J Richards on May 28, 2009, 04:51 AM | # Joining forces with Jews disastrous for European nationalists Ex-Tory,
Bad in the long run? No, absolutely disastrous! Among the aliens living in England and other European nations, Jews are the most dangerous as they are in control of the central banks, the issuance of money and the mainstream media, and clearly very hostile toward non-Jews. Nationalists have everything to lose by cozying up to Jews. People shouldn’t forget that the large number of Muslims in Europe has created a big problem for Jews. Aryan Sanctuary nails the issue:
If European nationalists cozy up to Jews, they’ll superficially gain politically, but they’ll be doing a favor to Jews by going after Muslims and thereby setting the stage for a more disastrous European future. Picture a scenario where European nationalists and Muslims joined forces and succeeded in expelling Jews. The major wealth leeching source in the world, Jewry, would be vanquished. The median wealth of people in agrarian and industrial societies will increase because Jews are no longer leeching it (see example of how Jews leech the wealth of poor nations). Hence most Muslims will gladly return to their homelands, on their own, because Europeans live highly un-Islamic lifestyles and Muslims are supposed to avoid environments that threaten their Islamic way of life. Some may counter that Muslims may try to Islamify Europe. This can’t happen because they are a minority and the only way for them to Islamify Europe would be to use force, which will be far more disastrous for them than for Europeans.
Looks like someone is having problems making up his mind. 42
Posted by J Richards on May 28, 2009, 05:02 AM | # The Scroob at it again
Surprise, surprise!
Scrooby doobie! What’s the difference between me paying an illegal alien from Mexico $20 to recite a hundred times, ‘I am opposed to the race replacement of European people’ and Jobling repeatedly saying the same? Both are equally meaningful and equally effective. 43
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 05:43 AM | # Loriver wrote: “a) Jobling also is on the record saying he doesn’t care about race per se, it’s all about culture for him.” If he did say that (please cite), based on his other writings, it is safe to assume that he would have done so with the qualifier: culture is a product of race. And in that respect I agree with him. When divorced from the culture and civilisation that whites create, and which is a reflection of their nature, pro-white advocacy is rather pointless. 44
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 05:55 AM | # Texan: “You’ve also got a short memory if you’re attributing the ‘don’t talk about the Jews’ strategy to Jobling, as he’s hardly the first to advocate that position. Jobling’s former boss, Jared Taylor, did it first and still does it better.” I am not suggesting that Jobling invented or even practices a “don’t talk about Jews” strategy. He is quite open in his denunciation of Nazism and antisemitism. But so are the BNP. Both Jobling and the BNP have explicitly criticised antisemitism and have attempted to distance themselves from Nazism by denouncing Holocaust revisionism and National Socialist ideology. Griffin is not merely silent on the matter like Jared Taylor. Like Jobling, he is quite open about it. 45
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 06:01 AM | # I share Tanstaafl’s view on Jobling. I’m also a bit surprised that Fred offers such high praise for Jobling and his site.
‘Staunch’ seems a tad extreme. Fred, based on your understanding of the importance of the JQ in race-replacement, I’m surprised you would say this. Jobling thinks you’re delusional. And I don’t think you really mean ‘whatever strategy he chooses’. So far he’s attacked MacDonald and argued that there is no inherent basis for ethnocentrism. As Loriver mentioned, Jobling is not interested in ethnicity, only phenotypic issues like culture. I personally would consider him a possible ally, but by no means a strong one. If the JQ and EGI are important components of your opposition to race-replacement, I would think Jobling is of questionable value and we should cast a skeptical eye towards any strategy he adopts. I would not be upset if his project went belly up. He does not offer anything that AmRen doesn’t (to Whites at least). His site is dominated by Jews and mediocre intellects. Some of his main posts are good but they’re not terribly original (and when he does try something different it’s usually to defend a loony view of his such as there being absolutely no inherent basis for ethnocentrism). And if he did fail it would be justice at some level for the lack of gratitude he showed to Taylor, without whom Jobling would only be a failed humanities academic. 46
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 06:19 AM | #
Jobling is opposed to culture-replacement, not race-replacement. If he is opposed to race-replacement, he hasn’t given any reasons (that I’ve seen) that are not completely phenotypic. If we could exchange all Mestizos and Negroes for ‘model minorities’ or discovered a way to make Negroes appreciate Bach and Beethoven, what would Jobling’s argument be then? And is the culture that exists even White? Yockey was absolutely correct with his label for Jews: culture distorters. What we see is in some sense a White culture, but it’s not White in the way that the historical cultures of Europe were. 47
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 07:00 AM | # Dasein: “Jobling is opposed to culture-replacement, not race-replacement.” Jobling believes that culture is racially genetic in origin. “If we could exchange all Mestizos and Negroes for ‘model minorities’ or discovered a way to make Negroes appreciate Bach and Beethoven, what would Jobling’s argument be then?” Racial separation can only be justified by the fact that the races are indeed different and produce different cultures and civilisations. If all races were the same, then replacing one race with another would merely be an exchange of two identical and interchangeable units. Even so-called model minorities are incapable of assimilating into white society, have a lower average intelligence, and produce civilisations that are utterly alien and inferior to our own. [It’s important not to confuse integregation with assimilation. East Asians are well /integretated/ into white society—there is no profound tension and conflict between whites and East Asians, at least in comparison with that between blacks and whites—but they are far from assimilated, i.e. absorbed into white society and to the point where they are culturally and socially indinguishible from ‘other whites’.] 48
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 07:02 AM | # Previous post should read “integration” rather than “integregation”. 49
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 07:26 AM | # For those interested, here is Nick Griffin saying that millions of Jews were murdered by the Nazis in “the worst crime in history”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRm83X0JUI In another clip, which I am also looking for, he puts the figure at six million. 50
Posted by Guessedworker on May 28, 2009, 07:28 AM | # Dasein: What we see is in some sense a White culture, but it’s not White in the way that the historical cultures of Europe were. And what, of this culture, is us? Is culture a separate entity to personality? What, if anything, is real and truly belongs to us in culture and in ourselves, and what does not? 51
Posted by Loriver on May 28, 2009, 08:23 AM | #
Jobling quote (less than a year old): “It’s values that matter most to me, not race or ethnicity, as is the case with tanstaafl. I’m only interested in preserving white cultures because I believe Western values are rooted in the biology of the white race.” From here http://lgfbannedandblocked.blogspot.com/2008/10/levi-from-queens-and-great-discarded.html He also says: “The defense of Israel makes perfect sense from my perspective because Israel is a state founded on Western values.” and “Yes, there are a lot of obnoxious Jewish leukophobes who ought to be opposed, but there is no evidence that Jewish leukophobia is a strategy for Jewish power or that Jews differ from Gentile whites in any important respect.” Which explains why he is so keen on defending the Jews; he sees them as producers of Western culture, therefore interchangeable with indigenous Europeans. What a useless twat. Granted, the Jews are closely related to us as non-Europeans go, also I don’t buy the Jewish cause idea, but this guy has an approach that is irreconcilable with EGI - which is the strongest and soundest basis for racialism. Also, Kevin MacDonald - regardless of whether CofC is entirely accurate - is an asset, and Jobling should treat him with more respect.
So you’re saying what Jobling said. Perhaps you should read the EGI links at the top of the MR page, for a different perspective (in which culture is not important) on racial nationalism; that is a primary message of this blog, I’m surprised you seem ignorant of it. 52
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 08:51 AM | # Dasein, thanks for your critique of what I wrote. Forgive me if I don’t argue back in detail — I don’t think protracted arguments about Jobling are what we should be doing at this point. I see race-replacement fighters deploying themselves, on their own, over a broad battlefront, each using the tactics he finds best. Each has my blessing even if he considers me a piece of crap (and if Jobling knew of my existence, of course, he would consider me a piece of crap). I appreciate your point of view on Jobling and see it as valuable. He’s wrong in saying ethnocentrism isn’t inborn and in denouncing Dr. Duke, Jared Taylor, Prof. MacDonald, and others as he does. He can be exceedingly obnoxious in some of his denunciations, unnecessarily obnoxious. This thing that’s been brought up about his not valuing race, only culture, is something I don’t recall reading (I don’t read every word he writes and must have missed that) and without the citation I can’t comment on it. I have nothing further to say about Jobling here because it’s not something that should be taking up lots of our time, in my view. You get the last word and thanks again for your thoughtful criticism. 53
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 08:51 AM | # Loriver quoted Jobling quoted Jobling as saying: It’s values that matter most to me, not race or ethnicity, as is the case with tanstaafl. I’m only interested in preserving white cultures because I believe Western values are rooted in the biology of the white race.” Since he clearly recognises that culture is indelibly tied to biology, I can’t find much to disagree with in this quotation. If white culture and civilisation were not hereditary and racially genetic in origin, racial separatism and preservation would be philosophically unsound; for race ‘replacement’ would then be merely an exchange of interchangeable and identical units. The genetic interest argument, though intriguing, simply does not suffice; I am pro-white because only the white race has provided the biological framework in which a superior civilisation can prosper and endure. If the white race were proven deficient in this respect, I could not in good conscience continue to advocate for white separatism and preservation, regardless of my ‘genetic interest’. Loriver wrote: He also says: “The defense of Israel makes perfect sense from my perspective because Israel is a state founded on Western values.” and “Yes, there are a lot of obnoxious Jewish leukophobes who ought to be opposed, but there is no evidence that Jewish leukophobia is a strategy for Jewish power or that Jews differ from Gentile whites in any important respect.” Griffin has also stated that he supports the state of Israel and he has repeatedly denounced antisemitism. 54
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 09:14 AM | #
Jobling sounds confused. If White culture is rooted in the biology of the White race, then he is also only interested in preserving the White race. He just can’t make that final leap to a position where he could speak honestly and coherently. Instead he has to say stuff like ethnocentrism is a human universal but has no genetic basis (see his post on GST). The fallacy is to defend Whiteness as a phenotype (culture), decoupling it from EGI and genetic ontology. 55
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 09:23 AM | #
Do you think you could convince Negroes/Mestizos/Tibetans/... that they aren’t worthy of existence? Would you trade your kids in for the neighbour’s if his were more intelligent and better looking? 56
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 09:36 AM | # What Mr. Jobling is saying, Dasein, is that our racial genetic heritage is worth preserving only because it provides the biological framework in which our values, culture, and civilisation can endure, not because our genetic interest or lineage is of innate value in and of itself. And he is absolutely correct on that score. White genes are only worth preserving because the culture and civilisation which only whites are capable of creating and sustaining is itself worthy of preservation. 57
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 09:56 AM | # I apologize to Loriver: when I wrote that I couldn’t comment on what Jobling said without the citation I hadn’t seen that Loriver had already provided the exact quote. Loriver’s criticism of Jobling in that comment is for the most part right, as is Dasein’s where he says, “Jobling sounds confused. If White culture is rooted in the biology of the White race, then he is also only interested in preserving the White race.” (—Dasein) That’s exactly right: Jobling in that quote is in effect saying both that he values only culture not biology and that he values only biology, both in the same statement. He is indeed confused or careless. Or he’s lying and has been caught in the trap that catches liars when they can’t keep track of their lies and so contradict themselves. I don’t think Jobling’s lying exactly, but I think he realizes there’s more up with the Jews than he wants to openly acknowledge, and he feels he’s justified in playing dumb because he thinks openness about it would hinder the fight against race-replacement. But I could be wrong. Jobling’s brain has gears that don’t appear to mesh right. 58
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 09:58 AM | #
Seems to me the phenotypers are putting the cart before the horse. They would do well to study the myth of Narcissus and Plato’s cave. 59
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 09:58 AM | # EX-TORY, but that’s a tautology and trivial. I agree with Dasein: Jobling contradicted himself in that quote Loriver posted. 60
Posted by Loriver on May 28, 2009, 10:11 AM | #
That’s up to you. But EGI treated the right way is not ‘philosophically unsound’, actually I would question whether such a phrase is even meaningful. Many of us have strong motivations to oppose race replacement, and EGI makes sense of this, after the fact really. There is no reason to dispense with these motivations if they have a reproductive basis, whereas there would be if race and ethnic reproductive interests didn’t exist biologically (since racism would then be a stupid baseless prejudice, something to try and supress and not something comparable to family nepotism). An argument from culture is OK for you maybe, but don’t expect it to get far in terms of persuading the public.
I don’t object to people supporting Israel, if anything I do as well, nor do I object to people denouncing excessive anti-Jewism. What I do object to is the last part, and I quoted his comment on Israel as well to give a perspective on his line of thinking. If Jews are exchangeable with Europeans, this means that Turks, Armenians and Kurds also would be apart from the cultural issue…and so would Nigerians, presumably. That’s profoundly anti-EGI. I respect Griffin plenty, and what’s more I recognise that a lot of things he has to say about ‘racism’ are necessary for PR at the moment, and not truthful. 61
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 10:16 AM | # Fred Scrooby wrote: That’s exactly right: Jobling in that quote is in effect saying both that he values only culture not biology and that he values only biology, both in the same statement. He is indeed confused or careless. Or he’s lying and has been caught in the trap that catches liars when they can’t keep track of their lies and so contradict themselves. You are conflating the general idea of genetic causation with the specific idea of genetic interest. “In the same statement” he is merely denying that he is motivated by the latter consideration and accepting an underlying genetic causation of white cultural distinctness. There is no fallacy, confusion, or contradiction implied in the belief that white genes are worth preserving, not because it is in our genetic interest to desire their perpetuation, but because they provide the biological framework without which our culture and civilisation cannot be sustained. 62
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 10:25 AM | # Another thing about Jobling I agree with, which some have pointed out, is the viciousness of his attacks on pillars of our side like MacDonald is almost to the point of according to things that are less important than race-replacement greater importance than race-replacement. (Jewish feelings about the scholarship of Kevin MacDonald are less important than race-replacement, Ian. Don’t be an asshole.) 63
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 10:26 AM | #
These are profound questions, GW, and I can only offer a very short answer for now (I plan to offer lengthier posts dealing with these questions). Culture is a complex group phenotype, a manifestation of our collective Being. As a phenotype, it is not fundamental in the ontological sense. 64
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 10:27 AM | # But you’re saying a tautology there, EX-TORY. Everybody knows that and it’s trivial. 65
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 10:29 AM | # OK I’m out of this discussion about Jobling now. Have fun, guys. 66
Posted by EX-TORY on May 28, 2009, 10:42 AM | # Fred Scrooby wrote: But you’re saying a tautology there, EX-TORY. There is nothing tautologous in the belief that white genes are worth preserving because they provide the framework without which our culture and civilisation perishes. Your objection to Jobling’s statement, on the other hand, is grounded in an obvious conflation of the general idea of genetic causation with the specific idea of genetic interest. When these ideas are properly distinghuished from one another, it is impossible to show any contradiction on Jobling’s part in (a) denying that he is motivated by his ‘genetic interests’ in his desire to preserve white civilisation and (b) accepting that white civilisation is racially genetic in origin. Your whole argument, and that of Dasein, is based on an obvious conflation of these two distinct concepts. 67
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 11:11 AM | #
If same could be interpreted as indistinguishable, then you’re still leaving the door open for race-replacement. Depending on environmental conditions, the races could be made indistinguishable. Granted, it would take a whole lot more state violence to make it possible. But you’re still left with no counter to those who would say that they can adapt environment (or non-White population) to create equality on whatever cultural trait you can say matters. And if one were to say that culture is produced by an elite (court musicians, Hollywood), what’s wrong with having a significant group of non-Whites around to consume that culture? Culture is too nebulous a term to provide a solid defense against race-replacement. It appeals to Jews because they currently dominate the commanding heights of culture. 68
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 28, 2009, 12:02 PM | # Thanks for digging up that thread Loriver. On rereading it I’m rather satisfied with my criticisms of Johnson/Jobling/Auster and the substanceless non-response provided by Jobling. For shame it’s buried on some obscure anti-LGF site. I haven’t kept up with all the details of the “anti-jihad” soap opera, but all the infighting is clearly based on what’s best for jews. Johnson, Jobling, and Auster distinguish themselves from each other mainly by how strenuously they oppose “fascists” (Johnson), “judeo-obsessives” (Jobling), and “anti-semites” (Auster). Protecting jews is the foundation for their anti-jihadism and for their demonization of any White who distinguishes their interests from jews. In separating and defending distinctly jewish interests but demonizing Whites who do the same all three are hypocritical to their core. That is however a stereotypical jewish conceit. Johnson is anti-White. He considers even crypto expressions of White identity and even weak White nationalist instincts detestable. He does not pathologize jewish identity and ardently supports the jewish ethnostate. The comparison of the BNP to Jobling or even Auster is fair, though the comparison to American Renaissance is more apt. The difference between BNP/AR and Jobling/Auster is not just political activity. The former are at root pro-Briton/pro-White, while the latter are first and foremost pro-jew. Before someone accuses me of pretending we’re all one big happy “White” family, minus only jews, I will point out that in speaking of Whiteness I recognize the validity of EGI and appreciate the biopolitical distinctions between the European diaspora’s far-flung and jumbled amalgam and the more intact native European subethnies. I refer to us all collectively as White, largely in recognition that this is precisely how our enemies identify us, whether we accept that label or not. I prefer we work together, but I still support even those Whites with more narrow views of their interests. For example, I recognize the source and validity of Desmond’s resentment of my Whiteness vis-a-vis his Anglo-Saxoness. Like MacDonald, I see White interests as multi-layered. I don’t consider anyone who wishes to preserve their more distinctive inner layers as an enemy. My enemies are those who pretend my interests don’t exist or who try to subordinate them to their own. This is why I support the BNP, but see Jobling, Auster, and other pro-jew/faux-White dissimulators (Guy White and Fjordman come to mind) as enemies (or at least not worthy of support). 69
Posted by Guessedworker on May 28, 2009, 12:41 PM | # Tan That’s a beautiful articulation of the structure and motives of White American advocacy. My complements. 70
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 28, 2009, 01:25 PM | # GW, I largely credit the diverse pro-White opinions I’ve encountered directly or indirectly through MR for shaping my thoughts. Thanks also to you personally for reaching out when I took my first awkward steps. 71
Posted by ben tillman on May 28, 2009, 03:00 PM | #
It’s not just a “spell”—it’s brute military force. General Wesley Clark, Supreme Commander of NATO, enunciated the rule: “There is no place in Europe for ethnically pure states… That’s a nineteenth century idea…” 72
Posted by ben tillman on May 28, 2009, 03:44 PM | #
This issue was also discussed here: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/sweden/ And in great depth here, in my all-time favorite comment thread: 73
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 04:06 PM | # ben tillman, That quote from Wesley Clark doesn’t prove anything and doesn’t answer any questions, it is merely suggestive. Also, I appreciate your linking of Phil Peterson’s MR piece on Sweden (from back in 2005); however, Peterson was essentially making my point in the following paragraphs:
If you reread the entire piece you’ll see that Peterson couldn’t find an answer to this question either. I continue to maintain that there is a conundrum for GW’s Single Causers. Namely, our race is in peril throughout the globe in spite of the fact that Jewish influence (in White nations) is heavily concentrated in the Anglosphere. Sweden is just one counterexample. 74
Posted by ben tillman on May 28, 2009, 04:13 PM | # But Sweden isn’t a counterexample. Please read the comments on those threads. 75
Posted by Guessedworker on May 28, 2009, 04:18 PM | # And in great depth here, in my all-time favorite comment thread: Ah, those were the days. I thought I might have a map in my hands, and it was a landscape painting all along. 76
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 04:59 PM | # ben tillman,
The only thing I found interesting in those comments was a commenter by the name of “Hincha”, who claimed Swedish ancestry and said that the Jews control everything in Sweden just like in the U.S. Naturally, he didn’t provide any evidence for this claim nor did he try to harmonize it with Peterson’s observations, so it’s hard to know what to make of it. GW,
No no no. You see we have this skeleton key that answers all of our riddles and reveals the solution to all of our problems, we just need the courage to use it. There is no landscape. 77
Posted by ben tillman on May 28, 2009, 05:42 PM | #
Are you saying the Japanese blew themselves up in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I guess so—the American population in those cities was minuscule, much less than the Jewish population in Sweden. And obviously no Jews were gassed by the Nazis; even Orthodox historians tell us that the population in the gas chambers was often 100% Jewish and always 0% Nazi. Obviously Jewish suicide! 78
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 05:45 PM | # A couple of excellent pieces by Prozium: this one (posted today), http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/05/28/raimondo-libertarians-and-paleos/ , puts the libertardians in their right place. Proze dwells here on Justin Raimondo but they’re all fundamentally the same — Perry de Havilland, the whole lot. The next piece, which addresses Skeptical’s questions, is so good I’ll paste it — it summarizes Proze’s view of what has made whites embrace so warmly and so enthusiastically their own race-replacemnet genocide:
As can be seen, the quality here is vintage Proze. Not everybody can do it this well. “Many are called; few are Prozium.” 79
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 05:56 PM | # For what it’s worth (not much I admit, compared to Proze’s efforts above, and those who know my stuff don’t need to look, it’s more of the same) here’s a brief couple of cents’ worth I threw into the mix the other day over at OccidentalDissent, in regard to: WHY IS IT HAPPENING? http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/05/21/silver/#comment-12200 80
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 05:59 PM | # ben tillman,
I don’t know about you, but I think Jewish subversiveness is characterized by the ethnic hijacking of a modern nation’s collective mind (i.e. media, academia, intelligentsia, entertainment, etc). This is precisely what’s happened in the U.S., where all forms of media and entertainment are under Jewish governance and where there they have disproportionate influence in the academy and broader intelligentsia. However, I do think that numbers are needed in order to accomplish this kind of intellectual coup (in contrast to the simple act of dropping nukes). It is on these grounds that I find it hard to believe that a smattering of Jews in continental Europe (save France) can accomplish the same thing as 5.3 million Jews in America. At some point, common sense has to give way here.
I think this was a failed attempt at sarcasm, irony, or both. 81
Posted by Desmond Jones on May 28, 2009, 06:10 PM | # 5,000 Jews riot, twenty million Canadians lose their freedom. http://ezralevant.com/2009/05/three-great-editorial-comments.html 82
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 06:12 PM | # They’re a much bigger percentage of the élites than of the general population, Skeptical. The élites run things. 83
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 06:18 PM | # Scrooby,
O.K., so would you like to hazard a guess as to what percentage of continental Europe’s elites are Jewish? Keep in mind that according to recent census data, Jewish people make up roughly 0.3% of continental Europe (excluding the U.K.). By the way, I agree with you that the elites run things. 84
Posted by Dasein on May 28, 2009, 06:19 PM | #
On the subject of Whites warmly embracing their coming race-replacement, I offer the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJiczgsbR10 It’s from the Germany’s Next Top Model competition final last week. Of course the sound engineers can make the crowd sound much louder than it is, but I get the impression that many there were hysterically happy that an Ethiopian won this. Then again, Cologne (where this was filmed) is over 30% non-White, so perhaps the crowd had a large number of non-Germans. Somehow it’s ironic that this competition took place on the weekend before the big celebrations in Berlin for the 60th anniversary of the BRD’s constitution. This girl is really the Bundesrepublik Deutschland’s Top Model. And this same weekend the top story on the website of Die Zeit (the weekly paper in Germany) was an interview with some British evolutionary biologist with the title ‘My advice: marry a Nigerian’. One ray of hope though. The shooting of Benne Ohnesorg in 1967, which is credited with having radicalized the student movement and brought the current generation of race-replacement enthusiasts (die 68’er) to power was discovered to have been carried out by a policeman who was an agent of the East German secret service (Stasi), as was the first photographer on the scene. At some point leftists are going to have to admit that they’ve been dupes (though perhaps they will only do so as a defense at their trials for genocide). 85
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 06:21 PM | # The Ezra Levant piece Desmond linked a couple above is must reading. Be sure to read the entire thing, down to the piece’s bitterly ironic concluding sentences. Very educational. By the way, Ezra Levant deserves great credit for the relative open-mindedness he’s displayed ever since he’s been caught in the snares of these Stalinist hate-speech tribunals. Yes, yes, yes, had he never been caught he’d never have demonstrated this fair side of himself. But he was and he has demonstrated it. 86
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 06:31 PM | # Here’s my reply, Skeptical: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2009/05/21/silver/#comment-12304 87
Posted by ben tillman on May 28, 2009, 06:46 PM | #
No, it’s a direct refutation of your thesis. A population can be harmed by influences from outside of the space occupied by that population.
You’ve been presented with facts indicating direct Jewish control of much of the “Swedish” mass media, and we have no reason to believe that the managers of other media operations have not fully adopted the Jewish ideology. In fact, you’re conceding it! You just think that, in a miraculous coincidence, Swedes have through an entirely independent process adopted precisely the same ideology for reasons other than Jewish influence! 88
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 06:54 PM | # Fred Scrooby,
Alright, I followed the link and understand your point. But lets be clear that your argument is not that Jews dominate the continental European elite it is instead that Jews dominate the U.S. (something we both agree on) and that continental Europe slavishly imitates America on matters of race-replacement. So far so good I think. It seems more likely to me that continental Europe is engaging in race-replacement independently from the U.S., if it were not so then by what mechanism is American Jewry coordinating continental Europe’s race-replacement regime? The New York Times?! The U.S. Department of State?! I really can’t think of a good candidate here. 89
Posted by q on May 28, 2009, 06:58 PM | # What are the odds we can save a race of people whom are hellbent on destroying themselves? Answer: “Six million” to one ... that is unless we can discover an antidote to the disease of Liberalism. 90
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:12 PM | # Skeptical, a lot of factors came together and the Jews are the ring-leaders. The man-hating bulldyke-lesbians aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, the Homintern aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it (including the Vatican homo establishment), the el mucho sicko mainstream Prods aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, clueless women voters aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, eunuchoid SWPL males aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, Negroes (Mexes, Subcons, Arabs, Moslems, Orientals, etc.) aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, the big non-Jewish international capitalist thieves aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it (what relatively few of them there are compared to the numbers of Jews in this role), dumb whites who live where they’ve never seen a Negro in their lives so have no idea the fire they’re playing with aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, the communists aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, the libertardians aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it, white women who crave Negro cock aren’t the ring-leaders but they’re in it (oops! some things are better left to the imagination but you get the picture), etc. The Jews are the ring-leaders. That’s how I see it. Don’t tell Ian or FJ, we don’t want to be the cause of any major fantods, vapour attacks, or conniption fits. 91
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 07:13 PM | # ben tillman, Now now, there’s no need to get worked up about this stuff. We’re only debating a finer point of our race’s global problem.
This is just not true. I have been referenced to a few dodgy websites that gave a handful of names and a commenter named “Hincha”. Ideally, I would have liked to see the Swedish version of MacDonald’s Culture of Critique in addition to some hard statistics.
I think the deeper answer to our problem exists within the common denominator of race and not within any particular ethnic group. As a commenter on MR I would expect you to believe that race has something to say about society and that societies that share a common racial makeup are bound to share many other things as well. Surely that’s not hard to understand. 92
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:18 PM | #
Well put. 93
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:24 PM | # Skeptical, what can a group accomplish in the way of domestic and international influence, propaganda, and just general “control of the agenda and of what gets said and thought” — what can a group accomplish, along those lines, a group which totally controls the mainstream media of the United States of America, has the damn thing in one-hundred-percent lockdown, and has for forty years (and prior to that had it in, what — fifty percent lockdown? Something like that)? 94
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 07:25 PM | # Scrooby, Look, we really agree on practically everything. My stance is that Jewish influence is responsible for the hegemony of anti-racism in the U.S. and probably the Anglosphere writ large. Moreover this is amply supported by a great deal of evidence, which is buttressed by the fact that continental Europe’s most subversive Jews came to America in the early-to-mid 20th century (i.e. Adorno, Marcuse, Boaz, etc) for obvious reasons. That said, I don’t think Jews have supernatural powers, which is what some around here apparently believe. This means that I have a hard time believing that Jews can control a nation like Austria when Austria has fewer Jews than Iran (ditto for Denmark)! A phenomena this incredible calls for some kind that mechanism that no around here has yet to provide. 95
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:27 PM | # Actually, when you read Henry Ford they had it in something approaching lockdown as far back as the teens and twenties. 96
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 07:28 PM | # Scrooby,
Yes, Jews control The New York Times, Hollywood, and all the rest. But what does this mean to Scandinavia? Do you really think they learned race-replacement from The New York Times and Hollywood movies like Terminator Salvation? Really!? 97
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:29 PM | # The U.S. strongly influences the rest of the Eurosphere, Skeptical. Not just influences but coerces behind the scenes. 98
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:32 PM | #
Exactly. And MTV and all the rest of it, plus there’s behind-the-scenes government-to-government and industry-to-industry coercion the public never sees. 99
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 07:35 PM | # And as Ben has pointed out, the Jews have an extremely strong position in Scand mainstream media. Britain and France have large domestic Jewish presences who influence matters enormously at home in those nations and exert influence beyond Britain’s and France’s borders just as the U.S. does. 100
Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 07:38 PM | # Scrooby
O.K. 101
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 28, 2009, 08:01 PM | # Skeptical, it’s hard conceive of it. I didn’t believe it until somewhere around 2006. My first year-and-a-half or two years of regularship at this site I was exactly where you are now. I couldn’t conceive of it, I saw it as not just wrong but wacko. Finally I saw it. Look at what the Jews do control and everyone knows they control. U.S. Israel-Near-East policy for example. Reflect on the fact that they made sure they got that “portfolio” under their control because they saw it as not just extremely important to themselves but as life-or-death for them, the most important thing to them in 2,000 years by far. So they made sure that whatever else they did or didn’t do, THEY’D CONTROL THAT. And they controlled it. They pulled out all the stops. And they continue to control it. They’ll never relinquish control over it while they still breathe — that’s how important that “portfolio” is to them. Well, there are other portfolios that are important to them. Open borders and immigration policy is one. No one and that means NO ONE who doesn’t believe in open borders gets anywhere near the political big leagues in this country and that’s by design. Like anyone else they endeavor to control what they see as vital or highly desirable to themselves, as far as their resources permit, and they have considerable resources at their disposal. There are a few “portfolios” that, I would say, they control totally, lock, stock, and barrel, and open-borders immigration is one of those few. 102
Posted by Guessedworker on May 28, 2009, 08:16 PM | # As CC just recently pointed out, we all incline to pursue lines of enquiry according to our individual natures (and, perhaps, eccentricities). Proze is a historian, and a very good one. His historian’s list is interesting and amply demonstrates his exhaustive knowledge of “the story so far”. It is very different to anything I might have been tempted to put together along the same lines. I’d be pulled towards the formatory influences of the inner man ... what has made us as we are. For example, I can still formulate for myself the sheer, liberating joy of destruction which characterised my generation in our teens and early-twenties. I wonder whether my father’s generation and his father’s, having between them spent ten long precious years slaughtering and being slaughtered, were altogether too dedicated in later life to the security of materialism, of getting on. I wonder whether they lacked the essential questioning spirit which must prevail in the healthy youth. I wonder whether it was this dull certitude of theirs, this cleavage to the cloth-cap, cloth-eared conventional, that so massively energised our desire to discover newness and meaning, value and exhileration, to break all the bounds, to use our time wisely or unwisely but, at any rate, to LIVE. Yes, Jews were there helpfully explaining all about orgasms and civil rights. But I was not formed by Jews and Jewish pathologies. I was formed by altogether bigger things of which I understood nothing, and from which I had no means to protect myself. Now, of course, I do understand something of the world. It is very complex and powerful, and we are very weak. We are not to blame for who we have become. But some of us have this idea, you see, that we can call our brothers back. And that’s not something a history lesson can do. 103
Posted by ben tillman on May 28, 2009, 08:25 PM | #
But how is that possible? How could any population decide to replace itself? There is no motive. It’s theoretically absurd. ... if it were not so then by what mechanism is American Jewry coordinating continental Europe’s race-replacement regime? The New York Times?! The U.S. Department of State?! I really can’t think of a good candidate here. The four I’s: indoctrination, intimidation, incentivization, and imitation. Indoctrination: The “Swedish” mass media is largely directly owned by Jews. The rest of Sweden’s mass media is run by non-Jews who have been exposed to the forces of indoctrination, intimidation, incentivization, and imitation for decades. Did you ever hear of “de-nazification” in Germany”? How about the manipulation of Ukraine’s political process by George Soros, NGOs, and the US government? Intimidation: The US spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined. The US still maintains an occupational force in Europe. We have heard a NATO Supreme Commander explicitly state, “There is no place in Europe for ethnically pure states”. For reasons I can’t fathom, you find this inconsequential. And that’s intimidation on the grand scale. Once the ideology takes hold, each individual is intimidated through very credible threats of loss of livelihood and even imprisonment for deviations from the enforced ideology. Incentivization: It’s the flip side of intimidation, and obviously the point is that those who adopt the desired ideology are rewarded with resources. I believe Josef Ackermann (Jewish) is still the CEO of Deutsche Bank, the Rothschilds are still around, as well as the Lazard Freres, and bankers from the City and New York have plenty of money to influence matters in Europe. Imitation: To rise to a position of prominence, one has to adopt the reigning ideology. And people will naturally imitate the successful. 104
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 28, 2009, 10:05 PM | # The Jewish conspiracy against Durban II (No, seriously) | JTA - Jewish & Israel News:
Gee, there are so few jews in Sweden, who could possibly be keeping Jan Lonn from speaking plainly?
Oh, it looks like nobody anywhere in Europe likes being called a “Single Causer”. Imagine that. The JTA staff must be laughing until they cry while they write this up. Especially the part where they make the obligatory sneer at the Protocols. 105
Posted by Bill on May 29, 2009, 02:54 AM | # Posted by skeptical on May 28, 2009, 10:54 PM | # Fred Scrooby, Here’s my reply, Skeptical: It seems more likely to me that continental Europe is engaging in race-replacement independently from the U.S., if it were not so then by what mechanism is American Jewry coordinating continental Europe’s race-replacement regime? The New York Times?! The U.S. Department of State?! I really can’t think of a good candidate here. Bill says. I think it’s it’s through the UN (NGO’s) EU. 106
Posted by Obvious on May 29, 2009, 02:42 PM | # So you’re saying what Jobling said. Perhaps you should read the EGI links at the top of the MR page, for a different perspective (in which culture is not important) on racial nationalism; that is a primary message of this blog, I’m surprised you seem ignorant of it. EGI still comes down to feelings, just as everything always does. Your children are more important to you than your neighbors’ because you feel something with them that you don’t with your neighbors’. In the same way you feel something more pleasurable, more fulfilling, more “meaningful” (even if you never reflect on it) around your own than around racial aliens. EGI really only manages to genetically account for the sense of loss at noticing racial aliens displacing your own; something for a government to concern itself with, not much the common man can connect with. But how is that possible? How could any population decide to replace itself? There is no motive. It’s theoretically absurd. Apathy suffices. Apathy and a determination to believe that it’s better, or all for the “common good,” are ample. It’s happened in history many times. The pace on this occasion is greater because Jews are the accelerator but it’s nothing the world hasn’t seen before. RE “Sweden” Americans decided (“decided”) that the white race doesn’t matter based on “truths” supposedly realized about race. Swedes would obviously come under tremendous internal and external pressure to accord with those “truths.” 107
Posted by Loriver on May 29, 2009, 04:19 PM | #
Whatever I felt about race and ethnicity, I would not accept it if I felt that it had no serious basis. Would you be comfortable with being racist, if you believed that race didn’t exist biologically? Do you not think that establishing the close correspondence between racialism and family nepotism is one of the few extremely important messages that can influence public opinion? And remember, generic race realism won’t do the job; people can’t be expected to join the dots. They need to be told exactly how and why racialism is analogous to close kin nepotism, and how racialist objectives are founded upon this reproductive basis…and that’s EGI. 108
Posted by skeptical on May 29, 2009, 05:19 PM | # Scrooby,
I know they control a lot but that doesn’t mean they control everything. We’re talking about people here, not gods. Tan, The article you linked to suggested that Jewish pressure groups were able to cancel a conference in Geneva. Fine, but does it therefore follow that Jews control continental Europe?! This just seems like a non sequitur to me. ben tillman,
I appreciate your articulation of the “four I’s”; however, they aren’t candidates for the kind of mechanism that I was talking about. A mechanism is a specific lever of political power (i.e. The New York Times or UN) and not an abstract concept like “intimidation”. Bill,
Well, the UN (or some other NGO) could be a possible mechanism of control. But is there any evidence for the claim that the U.S. is controlling Europe through the UN, IMF, WHO, or ICC? I don’t know of any. 109
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 29, 2009, 05:43 PM | # Skeptical comes now with his strawmen, implying that I said Jews control “everything” and that Tanstaafl said Jews “control continental Europe.” He reveals himself now to be too stupid to talk to or ill-intentioned. Bye, Skeptical. I don’t waste my time talking to the hopelessly stupid or the ill-intentioned. 110
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 29, 2009, 05:45 PM | # I didn’t read the rest of his comment — for all I know he came up with strawmen against Ben Tillman and against Bill as well. And frankly I don’t care: I don’t have time to waste with crap. 111
Posted by skeptical on May 29, 2009, 06:24 PM | # Scrooby,
The argument you keep giving me is that since Jews control the U.S. they somehow control continental Europe as well. You still haven’t gone into any detail about how this is precisely done, nor can you stick to any single hypothesis; in one reply you mentioned the media, in another reply you mentioned the “elites”, in still another reply you mentioned that it was by extension of their control of the U.S. In your mental model, the Jews seem to control continental Europe because they just can [!], in spite of the fact that their tribe has in large part recently abandoned the region.
I am simply reminding Tan that our argument is about who controls continental Europe, and not simply about what conferences in Geneva that Jews can cancel. If the discussion isn’t anchored in this way then it can easily diverge into a thousand different directions.
Scrooby, there’s no need to fly off the handle on me here. We’re in the second page of a comments thread on a semi-obscure website. It’s not like I’m stealing your ice cream or anything. 112
Posted by Captainchaos on May 29, 2009, 06:29 PM | # skeptical, To what degree do you disagree with the thesis of Kevin MacDonald? You’ll find it is harder to maneuver when one takes the minimal effort to pin you down. 113
Posted by skeptical on May 29, 2009, 06:41 PM | # CC,
I agree with MacDonald’s theses. In fact, I have repeatedly stated in this exchange that a Jewish takeovere explains the triumph of anti-racist leftism in the Anglosphere. MacDonald, however, relies on things like evidence and deductive reasoning, not mere rhetoric. 114
Posted by q on May 29, 2009, 07:15 PM | # Something I dug up from my JBS archives :
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Posted by Desmond Jones on May 29, 2009, 07:20 PM | # Licra vs. Yahoo
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/11/technology/11NECO.html?pagewanted=2 116
Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 29, 2009, 07:57 PM | # A propos of Desmond’s comment: LICRA in France is a Jewish ADL/$PLC type of organization, founded, funded, and run by Jews and functioning as an enforcer/watchdog agency ensuring that Jewish taboos are respected and certain Jewish political desires are not disappointed, Jewish desires such as the opening of France’s borders to unlimited non-white Turd World immigration both legal and illegal, aggressive governmental pro-miscegenation pressures brought to bear both psychologically and legally on the native French population, outlawing freedom of association in France, etc. — same genocide as Jews push here, in Britain, in Australia, and in fact everywhere where Jews live among Euro-race peoples. SOS Racism ditto, and there are a number of other organizations of that Jewish ilk in France. Reports of LICRA attacking Yahoo and bringing them to court are properly interpreted not as “French liberals attacking Yahoo and bringing them to court” but as “French Jews attacking Yahoo and bringing them to court.” Not “liberals.” Jews. I’m extremely sorry but those are the simple facts of the matter. 117
Posted by Tanstaafl on May 29, 2009, 08:31 PM | # skeptical, The word I would use here is “influence”, reflecting power, rather than “control”, which implies omnipotence. Please inform me when Swedish conspiracies start torpedoing UN conferences, and Swedish news organs start bragging about it. Until then I’ll stick with what I consider a quite reasonable thesis, supported by volumnious evidence and accepted only over serious threats of personal harm if I should dare do so. That is that jews, as a self-aware and self-interested group, actually have a wildly disproportionate influence over political and financial events everywhere in the Euroshpere. This influence explains not only the “suicidal” anti-White immigration and “minority rights” (not suicidal for jews, who are already well adapted to minority status in diaspora) but also the occasional signs of struggle against it. Jews aren’t omnipotent, though many obviously wish they were. In this information age, where the corrosive memes that are dissolving our societies know no borders, they can still be traced to their proponents. It turns out it isn’t Swedes running amok all over the Euro media and cyberspace shaming Whites everywhere for the sins of our fathers, calling us “fascists” if we speak in our own defense, championing “minorities” and the Holy Global Economy. It’s a notoriously and shamelessly jew-heavy affair, and with lots of equal-opportunity useful idiots who are well rewarded for helping. I’m sorry I can’t understand your skepticism on this point, but the suggestion that the count of jews in one place or another somehow contradicts or negates the universal effect of the anti-White immigration and “minority rights” memes they preach seems to me patently absurd. 118
Posted by Captainchaos on May 29, 2009, 08:43 PM | #
There can be no shame in fascism, only honor, if it be necessary to secure life. Just what is one willing to do to win out over death? A retreat into fuzzy “libertarianism” suggests one is either ashamed of fighting with whatever tenacity he must or that he is afraid to admit he will, or both. The necessity of our people to be is absolute. 119
Posted by a Finn on May 30, 2009, 01:36 AM | # Fred Scrooby:” Also, the Jewish problem over here is enormous, something like an order of magnitude bigger than any Jewish problem Europe directly confronts, which is why good British and European comrades like GW, A Finn, Hoff, and others see our empahsis on the Jewish factor as unjustified and would like to hear less of it.” - May I correct that Fred. The evidence for disproportionate negative Jewish influence (liberals, socialists, communists, mass media, bankers, immigration, false conservatives [neo-conservatives], ngos, legal activism etc.) is solid and it would be useless/ laughable for me to try to deny it. I just say that we need new methods and new viewpoints. The Jews are not evil supermen, they are ordinary people with certain slightly different propensities. They are often confused in their politics, they have incorrect reasons to their views, their policies are self-destructive, they have views because their mom and dad had those views or because of social pressure they think that the Jews “should” have those views, they have views because they emulate e.g. wealthy high status Jewish liberals (indirect bias; second socialization starting in adolescence by recognizing the marks of high status (ingroup) people and then copying what they do without thinking), they are blind followers of Jewish authoritarian leaders, they fear excessively all kinds of little things and consequently have certain views, they have few insufficient and false guiding principles, some harbor old “traditional” but long ago invalid fears and hatreds, etc. It is strange that this being so there is no organized efforts aimed at influencing them. 120
Posted by White Preservationist on May 30, 2009, 02:13 AM | #
How about the fact that currently 3 out of Ukraine’s 4 billionaires are ethnic Jews? Percentage-wise that makes Ukraine even more of a Jewish plutocracy than the USA, and that’s really saying something.
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Posted by Bill on May 30, 2009, 07:55 AM | # I’m pretty much convinced that the UN (NGO’s) EU is the connecting conduit from America to Europe (don’t know about Australia New Zealand) Here in Britain, thousands (yes, thousands of laws have flooded into our land (and simoultaneously all of Europe) from Brussels, for rubber stamping into each nation’s statute book. I think this is almost self evident, especially when you are on the receiving end. Where do these laws originate? UN. (and where do they get them from?) On the odd occasions, when circumstances permit, I do a Google search at UN and immigration. The UN is the epicentre for the organisation and distribution, allocation, for World migration. They can even tell you numbers, years, population growth the whole damn shooting match. They can even tell me what the population of Britain will be at any future date and what proportion will be made up of immigrant stock. You don’t think it’s all random chance do you? It’s a fine morning this morning, I think I’ll go and live in Ontario or Malmo, or London, or Madrid, or Sydney, or Wellington New Zealand or Paris or Denver or Amsterdam or you name it. I don’t think so. 122
Posted by skeptical on May 30, 2009, 11:26 AM | # Tan, I really appreciate the tenor of your response here.
How do you know that you’re not simply projecting America’s Jewish problem onto the rest of the Eurosphere?
Allow me to repeat for you what I said to ben tillman:
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Posted by Tanstaafl on June 01, 2009, 01:01 AM | # I agree with your characterization of the cause as a “hijacking of the mind”. I even agree that “numbers are needed” to achieve this hijacking. Where I think you’re mistaken is in expecting that numbers must reside in a particular place. Next entry: How not to do a hatchet job on the BNP Previous entry: EMANCIPATORY RACISM |
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Posted by skeptical on May 27, 2009, 12:00 PM | #
Wow! Mr. Griffin handled himself rather well in the face of some brutal questioning.