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The Justification of the Linderian Approach To PropagandaGeorge Lincoln Rockwell explains why Alex talks like that.
Posted by Søren Renner on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 at 04:28 PM in Comments:2
Posted by captainchaos on April 02, 2008, 08:26 PM | # Guessedworker, In the past you’ve criticized explicit pro-White political leader Nick Griffin and implicit/potential pro-White political leader Alex Linder. Are there White men and women you are aware of who you believe could potentially step up and fill the void as you see it to be? Would you yourself consider doing so? It seems to me you have the ability but do you have the desire? Anyways, you’d have my “vote.” 3
Posted by 2R on April 02, 2008, 08:36 PM | # Its about time we had this discussion. I’m of the opinion that the great “awakening” should not be our concern. This will come with circumstances and the signs are growing each day that Whites are indeed growing more aware of the situation. Instead, we (when I “we” I mean people who wish to reverse the race replacement process) need to construct a solid ideology that can inspire the leadership of tomorrow. People in the West are not really happy. They want to “feel” something “real.” Their lives have become totally useless, boring, and artificial. We need to create an ideology that not only speaks to the concerns that people are having regarding the demographic transition of their communities, but maybe even more important, we need to encourage people to feel ALIVE again. Why do you think that Western kids are sticking pins in their faces and getting tattoos in their eyeballs? They want feel something. This revolution needs to speak to people’s concerns and their sense of adventure. Forget extreme sports, Whites have a revolution to attend to. This struggle needs to take the place of sex, drugs, and Rock & Roll. We’re the real anti-authorities in the West. So to fight authority is to fight race replacement. The emptiness that so many are feeling in the West needs to be filled with White survivalism. 4
Posted by onlooker on April 02, 2008, 09:07 PM | # [Are there White men and women you are aware of who you believe could potentially step up and fill the void as you see it to be? Would you yourself consider doing so? It seems to me you have the ability but do you have the desire? Anyways, you’d have my “vote.”
To those who think he can ... You are poor missguidded souls. Let me tell you the truth! Only Jesus can save your sorry asses! 5
Posted by Captainchaos on April 02, 2008, 09:48 PM | # “...their looking up to you to be their God and savior!” PLEASE! David Duke ran for governor and congressman in Louisiana and did suprisingly well (though he did fall short of victory). I assure you I don’t look to him or anyone else as the “savior” of the White race. But we do need leaders, if that is not too strong a term, to explicitly stand up for the interests of Whites in a way that is palitable to the broader public. I think Guessedworker might have what it takes; just one man’s opinion. 6
Posted by onlooker on April 02, 2008, 09:56 PM | # Guessedworker is a leader and David Duke is a leader. 7
Posted by the badger on April 02, 2008, 10:13 PM | # Guessedworker, Yes, the average man is the target of revolutionary discourse - once grassroots support is established more gifted “leaders” will naturally assume those places in which they feel their talents can be expressed. It’s not the stuff of epics and tales of heroism but that’s the way it works. Currently, any leaders who have the courage to stand up against the zeitgeist are immediately crucified by the media and thus the masses. By establishing a vocal opposition in the masses potential leaders will be more encouraged to come out of the woodwork and articulate the general feeling. In the same vein, if the public movement gains enough fervor it could lure a major political party away from the saftey of NWO immigration policies to one which blatantly appears to guarantee a term as government. The Australian political party, “One Nation” is a perfect example. The widespread public support for this fringe nationalist party is largely responsible for the tough stance on illegal immigrants taken by the subsequent Liberal Government. A good opportunity for more votes was taken. I haven’t seen Linder’s work but that Rockwell article is bang on the money. Further, one should never forget that by aiming a message at women (by focusing on emotive properties etc) we gain two converts for the price of one. Men will say and do anything to get on a woman’s moral side to ultimately get her into bed.
The fact of the matter is that we live in a democracy where the most humble, ignorant fool has the same political voice as the most enlightened citizen. In mass democracy we must adhere to the rules of the game: he who controls the minds of the masses rules. To attempt to answer your question, the new prospective leadership class will most likely be of the same ilk as the leaches who represent us today. If the proles can be sufficiently swayed as to induce said leaches to sense an opportunity to capitalize their collective feeling, then we shall find “leaders” on every corner. We don’t live in a world of heroic leaders anymore, insofar as they used to have the power to inspire their people. We live in a world of Bono, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Kanye West; fabricated symbols of moral authority designed as role models for the great unwashed. “These people are good. They think racist people are bad and stupid. You don’t want to be thought of this way, do you? You should think the same as them.” Short of dismantling the whole MSM system we must accept this fact and try to use it to our advantage. PR / spin / and propaganda aimed at the masses is the best way our side can win peacefully. Even if it seems to be lacking in romance and honour. 8
Posted by the badger on April 02, 2008, 10:40 PM | # The real challenge will obviously lie with attempting to sway the people. I can but humbly venture that this will come from the arts - mainly films - telling stories to which people can relate which hold a moral lesson relevant to the cause. The power of motion picture (to tell a story) combined with a cinematic score (to tell the audience how to _feel_ about the story) is second to none when it comes to manipulating minds. 9
Posted by haramzada on April 02, 2008, 11:20 PM | # But almost all of them make the same type of basic error in their propaganda as did the blind men in describing and reconstructing an elephant Rather like this post — the Linderian approach, which was actually the Pearsonian approach, is its own justification in need of no plodding explanation from the dead. (I’ll never forget Slavoj Žižek’s laborious inside-out pomo explanation of a mordant joke from the GDR involving two kinds of ink.) More important, there is no Linderian approach anymore. Linder is dead. MajorityRights is now more linderian than VNN, which has sunk to the level of, I don’t know, a jotting-book, a notepad for the mysterious and utterly boring ‘Socrates’ and whomsoever else Linder has tapped as replacement to keep the bland little corpse doing its anti-semitic jig while he pops poopy pills, bangs Subrosa’s exes and looks for “Communists” under the bed. VNN is at present just another “anti-Zionist” dingleberry blog. 11
Posted by Bo Sears on April 02, 2008, 11:49 PM | # Probably such leadership as mentioned above will arise from the largely unlettered classes whose points of view are ignored. However, here are some points to think about aside from Lenin’s “Who? Whom?” First, we need detailed study of governance. Existing EA groups are difficult to maintain, but with an ego-driven “leader,” always undergoing rise & fall. We suggest a combination of the Icelandic Thing and the Mormon leadership council. Second, we need detailed study about how class intersects with race among EAs. There is a very real problem with class. I don’t believe whites are particularly racist, but we sure are classist. Third, we need a variety of techniques and tactics on a variety of levels. Some groups are primarily soft in order to introduce EAs to the issues. Some groups are ideological, others are just name-calling, and still others are focused more on non-EAs than on the welfare of EAs. One project that could unite all groups across the spectrum would be collecting information & data to form the substance of complaints to the American Congress when the House-passed “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act” is passed by the US Senate & signed by the president. See: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h1955/show http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955 Fourth, we need to treat newbies with respect, and develop techniques to identify those who, pretending to be us, are really seeking to demoralize and divide us by various memes—a very common phenomenon, or to drag red herrings across our trail. 12
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 12:20 AM | # We suggest a combination of the Icelandic Thing and the Mormon leadership council. One thing Linder has always insisted on is imitating Christian fundies in the organization of life. The problem is we don’t have that kind of material, money or flesh, to work with. Before pontificating on what “we need”, perhaps it is more prudent, if less romantic and satisfying, to recall what “we have”? Which is, of course, virtually nothing — that’s ironic or something, because what we have is mostly “virtual”, to boot. I completely discount whatever stuffy little meetings the likes of Duke and so on stage for themselves, of course. I will throw in with the what-we-need, was-tunning intoning crowd and say, no doubt to no effect, that maybe “we” need to cool it on the MARXIST-LENIN-DEAD UKRAINIANS thing. No one cares, is all. No one but the guy next to you gets worked up over such talk, and the guy a few heads down, dozing in front of his talmudvision set, is far more likely to be roused from slumber by old Linderiana (actually Pearsoniana, mind you) and maybe a précis of K.MacDian doctrine than breathless taglines about TROTSKY-PC-STALIN-MARXIST-ZIONIST-TALMUDIC-JEWS. 13
Posted by GT on April 03, 2008, 03:35 AM | # In addition to this foolishness, he also forgets that the average man in the street is emotionally assaulted during all his waking hours by advertising brilliantly designed by experts to capture attention through the most powerful kind of psychological impact. Once again the failed icons of yesterday are dusted off to justify another 50 years of failure and continued donations “to support us in our important work.” This Revolution … 1. The monetarism of easy online racialism means its interests are primarily short-term, ego-driven, and donation-oriented, and that it can be consistently and easily influenced to behave in a manner detrimental to its goals. 2. Revolutions require substantial funding from outside sources, logistical support and disciplined, cohesive manpower operating right under the nose of the regime. This is extremely unlikely due to #1. 14
Posted by lazy git on April 03, 2008, 05:49 AM | # The leader will arise when there are enough followers ready to act. 15
Posted by Jean West on April 03, 2008, 05:55 AM | # Linder and Duke serve in different ways; Duke is a leader who I could follow, whereas Linder is too much about himself, and his association with Bill White eliminates him from serious consideration. Duke’s partnership with Don Black is far more palatable to me. I agree that classism (I call it elitism) is a weakness in our movement; one of the things we little people hear often from elites is that we need to form small groups of our own. The purpose of this admonition is really to direct us away from their own exclusive salons, but putting that aside, forming these groups and embarking on meaningful activism is harder to do than they may realize. Yesterday I posted a notice of a third annual national convention of groups already engaged in revolutionary thinking and action. Its stated purpose is to share information and strategies in the areas of separatism, secession, and self-determination. This convention and these groups sound like good places to infiltrate—to learn from them, network with them, and hopefully to inject our own special concerns into their thinking. Since becoming familiar with the Free Staters who relocated to New Hampshire, I’ve seen how actively engaged they are in monitoring and acting against State and Congressional measures like the one mentioned in a previous comment; they’re organized, they have meetings of their own, lists of their own, they attend hearings; I know of no other group that has fought as diligently as they have against surveillance and the national ID, for example. I’m not a joiner either; if I attend this convention, it will be totally out of character; I’ll want to walk out when others focus on things that don’t interest or concern me. On the other hand, maybe I’ll get some idea of what forming small groups for political action looks like. JW 16
Posted by Alex Zeka on April 03, 2008, 07:02 AM | # The monetarism of easy online racialism means its interests are primarily short-term, ego-driven, and donation-oriented, and that it can be consistently and easily influenced to behave in a manner detrimental to its goals. GT, by “monetarism” do you mean the economic doctrine or just concern primarely with money? I’ve been assuming the former, which has made your comments sound somewhat odd (given that the economic doctrine basically says that the money supply should be kept constant, i.e. no printing presses). 17
Posted by Alex Zeka on April 03, 2008, 07:09 AM | # As to the “Linderian approach”, is the current foul-mouthed, prurient, trigger happy mode all that different from what went before? Looking at VNN’s front page at the moment, the worst I can see is “TIRED OF THE SMART-ALECKS AT LEWPUSSY.COM”, “CZECH SCHOOLS JEWED WITH HOLO-LIES”, and “NIGGERS ATTACK DISABLED WHITES” (and that’s all in a single entry, the rest is rather restrained). Doesn’t this basically fulfill Rockwell’s call for crudeness and exaggeration? 18
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 09:00 AM | # ...is the current foul-mouthed, prurient, trigger happy mode all that different from what went before? Yes. Before there was talent and passion; they’ve been exhausted, and what’s left are those crude, pseudo-clever headlines. 19
Posted by Captainchaos on April 03, 2008, 09:02 AM | # Much of what European Americans United is doing seems to resonate with what Bo Sears described is his 3:49AM post. Their website and its content is quality. I think that organization has legs. 20
Posted by Søren Renner on April 03, 2008, 10:59 AM | #
Badger, since you think this (and you are correct to), perhaps you will begin making little films and posting them. Contact me if you need any help. 21
Posted by Riley DeWiley on April 03, 2008, 11:58 AM | # All well and good, Mr. Rockwell, but you must also make sure your propaganda does not repel people from you rather than from the Jews and blacks who are it’s target. Maybe the boat tickets favorably impressed 10% of the people who saw them, but the remaining 90% were just totally turned off. Any mass movement needs low-road propaganda but it must be crafted more carefully than either Alex Linder’s or George Rockwell’s. Moreover, this propaganda needs to be issued and created by people with a greater awareness than the target herd, and with an organization and access to resources - so it appears the high-brow material he derides is aimed at prospective members of that new guiding class. Now I am the bookish type, and in my gut I feel that the best course right now is to deconstruct and understand the functioning of the machine that oppresses us - whence it came, how it works, whose hands are on the controls. Taking power will take more than just knowing our enemy, but knowing the enemy is a prerequisite, and that is where my inclinations lie, so that’s what I am doing. I’m driven more by curiosity and a sense of outrage than any explicit desire to advance a cause, but I believe that knowledge is power, and the more we know about the Beast, the freer we become. The movement also needs activists, organizers, propagandists, financiers, and all the rest, but there is so much to be done that the only way forward is to find any route forward and get down it. Riley 22
Posted by Englander on April 03, 2008, 01:50 PM | #
I’ve often thought that racialists/nationalists should make use of proven media tactics to get the message across. Imagine, as just one example, if we produced satirical comedy sketches, with embedded political message, and released them on youtube (or elsewhere). Many politically correct news stories are ripe for parody. We have the writers, we just need talented performers and technical people who live close enough together to meet and interpret that writing. 23
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 02:10 PM | # Imagine, as just one example, if we produced satirical comedy sketches, But that’s been done: which is why we know the name VNN. We have the writers, Which? real comedy writers, or just some snide wit? I don’t think il ragno’ll go for it. This stuff can’t motivate people. Until all the cleverest and most talented nationalists all move to the same street and have barbecues together, there shall be no Anti-Semitic Night Live. 24
Posted by GT on April 03, 2008, 02:22 PM | # Alex, GT, by “monetarism” do you mean the economic doctrine or just concern primarely with money? I am referring to a monetary system which socializes risk on a nationwide scale, encourages labor aversion, and makes profiteering, easy-credit, and expansion/contraction of currency from remote locations possible. I credit Friedman with nothing more than giving a new spin to an old con and stealing a name. Monetarism has been around in one form or another for millennium. Its beneficiaries have included universal socialists and capitalists. As I stated elsewhere, we all are monetarists to some degree, for we have few choices and minimal participation is coerced by the government. My shtick has always been about expanding options and liberating ourselves from monetarism to the greatest extent possible. If this “movement” wishes to breakout and flank its enemy, then a particularist form of secular/theist distributism which targets the countryside and select suburban locations, and which promotes the acquisition of local civic legitimacy must be given maximum attention as a viable option for poor and lower middle-class Europids. That is the bottom line. 25
Posted by Captainchaos on April 03, 2008, 02:38 PM | # Existing films like the Lord of the Rings trilogy and Braveheart that portray Whites as heroic and ethnocentric could be used if WNs provide accompanying context. My racial consciousness was first sparked by reading Tolkien and watching the LOTR films. 26
Posted by 2R on April 03, 2008, 02:40 PM | # “I’ll never forget Slavoj Žižek’s laborious inside-out pomo explanation of a mordant joke from the GDR involving two kinds of ink” (-haramzada) It’s Zizek himself who points out that Westerners have no sense of the “real” anymore. We must provide the “real” for them. We must give Euros something to live for. We must be what satisfies Euros “irresistible” urge to return to the real.” 27
Posted by 2R on April 03, 2008, 02:45 PM | # “while he pops poopy pills” (-haramzada) What proof do you have that Linder “pops poppy pills?” 28
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 03:15 PM | # We must provide the “real” for them. Yea, well, I’m pretty sure Euros don’t want your real, and I’m entirely sure no one in this “movement” has the slightest means of bringing your real to them, as these sterile debates on propaganda illustrate; so there’s no need to trouble about what Euros want and need, is there? What proof do you have that Linder “pops poppy pills?” POOPY, not POPPY. Didn’t he say on a recent FTL that his long absence was due to some anal disorder? 29
Posted by Proofreader on April 03, 2008, 03:32 PM | # Captainchaos:
Let me get this: reading about elves and dwarves and orks awoke your racial consciousness? 30
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 03:32 PM | # # sgruber Says: This is why the newspaper is worth doing. Shocking and funny as hell - with a core of coldest truth. Like women, people are loosened up by laughing and outrageousness. It puts their defenses down. A mind no longer on the beaten paradigm can be reached. # wuh oh Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. “Like women, people are loosened up by laughing and outrageousness. It puts their defenses down. A mind no longer on the beaten paradigm can be reached.” And this is all that need be said on the subject. Of course Guessedworker is puzzled by Linder’s (erstwhile) “tactics” — he’s completely without humor or salt himself and would like a little bit to rub off on his project. Sadly, Linder shot it all out in a year or two (this because his spintro-dealer and primary inspiration, Chuck Pearson, cut loose) and sunk down into sporadic & embarrassing “activisms”, leaving the website to go blog, the blog to go blah, and his anus to gradually lose its retentive faculty. There are no “tactics” here — it was just two dudes with some above-average wit and a lifetime of hatred “going off” on Jews. You can’t replicate that, you can’t study and incorporate it into your “discourse”. It’s character, simple as that. 31
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 03:36 PM | # There’s nothing racial about Tolkien, just a blend of fantasy, tradition and religion. Or maybe I’m just an old fart already used to the older European tradition. Anything remotely nordic-seeming appeals to white nationalists, you understand. Even as classy a mind as wintermute’s is piqued by such juvenile garbage. They carry this idealism into their “politics”, and soon enough are fantasizing about white nordic homelands in Hyperborea. And when someone dies or otherwise departs their scene, they say retarded shit like, “Save me a seat in Valhalla!” 32
Posted by Riley DeWiley on April 03, 2008, 03:48 PM | # Tho` I must add that I believe satire is a vital wedge ... it gets an idea across, has broad appeal, breaks down resistance to new ideas, and is a generally effective way of making the unacceptable acceptable. So Tom Metzger is right about one thing. Riley 33
Posted by Captainchaos on April 03, 2008, 04:12 PM | # Proofreader, You don’t know what your missing out on! Tolkien was a brilliant philologist and deeply spiritual man with a fiercely passionate, intuitive understanding of the “soul” of Northern European Man. The Lord of the Rings is a fantasy that is viscerally rooted in fictive languages, landscapes, folkways, and bloodlines all very Northern European. The various ethnicities on the side of good know their place in the pecking order of life and accept it. The noble races are noble because noble blood runs through their veins. Near the conclusion after Aragorn has claimed his rightful Kingship he decrease that no “big people” will be allowed in the Shire, the Hobbits living space. Tolkien “got it!” 34
Posted by Proofreader on April 03, 2008, 04:25 PM | # Captainchaos, in Tolkien’s days , everybody “got it”. That is problem we face now: the rootlessness of our youth. Reading Tolkien didn’t seem to do any good to the hippies, did it? I understand they made him popular. 35
Posted by GT on April 03, 2008, 04:56 PM | # Alex, Maguire and I emphasize local, local, local. Real politics (low-intensity warfare), economics, and leadership are local. Monetarism is remote, centralized, and fundamentally opposed to local currencies, barter, and labor. Revolution is remote and centralized, secession is local and collaborative. Easy online racialism is remote, centralized, and fundamentally opposed to real politics and leadership. People like Linder and White are infobabes at best, dishonest con artists at worst. Honest infobabes admit what they are, dishonest infobabes do not. None of us jaw-jacking infobabes in cyberspace are leaders. Our objective should be to pave the way for the real McCoys on the ground, and nothing else. 36
Posted by haramzada on April 03, 2008, 05:15 PM | # The various ethnicities on the side of good know their place in the pecking order of life and accept it. But surely those various ethnicities on the side of good are highest in that order, so why speak of acceptance, as though it is some tragic destiny that must be borne with great, noble humility? wouldn’t it be the lower order doing the accepting? or is the higher just so great, so supremely noble, that they must condescend to accept, must nobly resign themselves to their station as well? The noble races are noble because noble blood runs through their veins. Why not nobly runs? Tolkien “got it!” He didn’t like fat people? I once asked a young man what he does at church after school. He told me, “Eat a wafer, holy holy holy, sing some gay songs, holy holy holy.” All the noble-this, noble-that of white nationalism reminds me of this. Cram as many high-sounding words into it as you can, rest assured you are the purest of the pure, the noblest of the noble, a good, loyal, true citizen of “Aragorn” or Valhalalaland. None of us jaw-jacking infobabes in cyberspace are leaders. Our objective should be to pave the way for the real McCoys on the ground, and nothing else. And who would those be? where? Noble noble noble. 37
Posted by Fr. John on April 03, 2008, 05:34 PM | # Yes, the average man is the target of revolutionary discourse - once grassroots support is established more gifted “leaders” will naturally assume those places in which they feel their talents can be expressed. It’s not the stuff of epics and tales of heroism but that’s the way it works. But that is EXACTLY the sort of vision that Whites need, at least those white/Europeans who have not traded their race and culture for a “materialist mess of potage!” Others have said it so eloquently, it brought my spirit alive to this vision, as nothing you ‘race realist’ types or the ‘Wotan is our Father’ types over at Stormfront have done, precisely because it tapped into the Racial SOUL of the Nordic/European/Christian. http://cambriawillnotyield.blogspot.com/2008/03/christ-or-thor.html (and this is not his ‘best’ stuff!) Next: “One thing Linder has always insisted on is imitating Christian fundies in the organization of life. The problem is we don’t have that kind of material, money or flesh, to work with. “ Christ had twelve men, and only one had any money, and he was the Traitor! [Judas] Look what happened to Ron Paul and the millions he raised. He dropped all the ‘little men’ and hired a jewish ad campaign firm, and his presence disappeared. BUT WHERE ARE THE MILLIONS????!? No, you don’t need money, or ‘materiel’ but you DO need ‘flesh’ men who are willing to DIE for a cause, as the Apostles were. Most of the so-called Racialists are not willing to die, for they do not have a promise of eternal life to enable them to die willingly in the first place!!! “...by “monetarism” do you mean the economic doctrine or just concern primarely with money?”
“...Let me get this: reading about elves and dwarves and orks awoke your racial consciousness? Yes, you are. The mythic tales of a people are it’s tie to the past, it’s desire to experience the ‘numinous’ as well as a proto-Gospel for Christianity. That is why all TV avoids prior epics and eras, or multicultis them to have a ‘black Cinderella’ (how could you tell she was EVER dirty? _LOL) No, Grimm, and Perrault, Hamilton, and Spencer are our HERITAGE, and NOT theirs!! You keep talking AROUND the issue, becuase you have abandoned your ‘first love.’ YOu cannot fight organized Zionazis and their talmudic ancestors, unless you call Christ Lord, and seek to enthrone Him as King, ‘on Earth as it IS in Heaven.’ There is NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE, for as Gary North put it so poignantly thirty years ago, “There is no neutraility.” 38
Posted by Captainchaos on April 03, 2008, 05:48 PM | # haramzada, The “theme” of this thread has evolved at least partly into, “What is effective propaganda to evoke racial consciousness in the minds of the White masses?” Unless I am completely mistaken. I doubt a discourse on genetic clustering, ethnic genetic interests, group evolutionary strategies, and “There-is-no-God-you-twit-so-you-can-take-that-faith-gene-and-shove-it-up-your-ass!” would prove very effective as mass propaganda. It can’t just be about scaring people about how there will be hell to pay when the darkies take over. We have to get the masses excited about being White; positively wanting to preserve our heritage out of love of kind. 39
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 03, 2008, 06:43 PM | # Cambria’s piece is a great read however, it’s foundation is weak because of this assumption; “The pagan Kinist bases his case for the separation of the races on the superior intelligence of the white man. “ It’s not necessarily true. Re: Nobility, it appears to be an evolved trait and worked to enhance reproductive fitness.
Neither did the pagan Saxons, thousands of whom died by Charlemagne’s hand, before forsaking Thor.
It does not necessarily undermine the value of Christianity to Europe. It appears to have enhanced reproductive fitness, as MacDonald, among others indicate. However, it’s not the exclusive reserve of the “noble” man or the values for which he will forsake his life. 40
Posted by Guessedworker on April 03, 2008, 07:26 PM | # Well, I will re-enter the thread first with my answers to those four questions. I will answer the interesting comments that follow a little later. So, is the average man the target of revolutionary discourse? There are three phases in the engendering of a revolution. First, an intellectual extrapolation of first cause AND of the jus cause must be set down. This is the phase of the dry, indigestible tractus philosophicus which trigger-happy, get-go activists tend to think they don’t need. They do. There can be no lasting change except at the level of the polity itself, and polities are founded on the work of great thinkers. I might add that on a past MR thread Alex Linder informed us that he was not any kind of National Socialist, and, actually, was closer to a libertarian than anything else. Libertarianism is fully compatible with the individualist zeitgeist of modern America, and perfectly incompatible with an anti-liberal revolution. But to return to phase one ... At this early stage “the political” is not yet manifest. There is no requirement for powerful speakers and well-funded movements. But grand philosophy informs history only insofar as it is incorporated in movements for change. Eventually, of course, the circumstances will be right for such movements. The philosophy will be picked up by political minds, and we enter the second phase, which is precisely the phase of the political. Here we have the leadership and the party machinery, the development of ideology and solidarity, and a goal-oriented, programmatic approach to change that activists can really work with. Now, at last, we enter the true revolutionary phase. If the revolutionary action is a coup or putsch, it will likely come before the necessity to educate the public. If the public is deemed necessary to the revolution - for example, if power is to be won through the ballot box - it will plainly need to be educated before it votes. That is the order of things, and we buck it at our peril. Even if it is possible, what value is there in awakening the common man when there is no effective leadership in place, and no political programme? Today, obviously, we have to think in terms of an eventual movement that utilises voting power, not muscle power. So perhaps it does no harm to reach out to the public. We have to be clear, though, that the function is not to garner any real sort of political support yet, because there is nothing in place to support ... not even any proper political ideas (even the BNP only has one real idea: bash the Moslem). But, we can, like the BNP, offer ourselves as the men with the answers to all those troubling questions which, more and more, are arising in people’s minds. The benefit to us is in building credibility. Now, this isn’t the same thing as the Rockwell/Linder propaganda exercise, which is plainly a harder activism belonging to the educational effort of a bona fide revolutionary movement. The time for that is certainly not yet, even if we grant that propaganda of that kind is legitimate. How do we frame a discourse that could appeal to a prospective leadership class? As philosophy. Potential leaders live in the circle of ideas. Serious political careers - people who really change the world rather than simple shift the furniture about - are built on principles extracted from serious philosophy. What qualities would characterise such a discourse? What would be the content of this philosophy? A biggish question. We do have one new thought that no previous generation of intellectuals, at least to my knowledge, has been able to call upon. It is the Salterian first cause, and its application to existing offerings is beginning to look quite profound to me. Those offerings, of course, are the corpus of anti-liberal thought, almost all of it European and much of it early 20th Century, that many of us will know. Which brings us back to where I began. 41
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 03, 2008, 07:49 PM | # Libertarianism is fully compatible with the individualist zeitgeist of modern America, and perfectly incompatible with an anti-liberal revolution. Yet not with the efforts to separate, segregate or limit immigration.
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Posted by Friedrich Braun on April 03, 2008, 07:58 PM | # Bill White leaves me perplexed. There probably a greater National Socialist by temperament and worldview than I but if I were to start a political movement, I wouldn’t dress up in mismatched German uniforms from another era. I wouldn’t dress up in any uniforms. Period. I wouldn’t have “National Socialism” figure in my movement’s name and I wouldn’t be talking about the Third Reich or Adolf Hitler…ever. This leads me to believe that Bill White is probably not a serious individual. Only Alex Linder knows why Bill White merits his attention. But I don’t know much about Bill White and I’m not really curious to find out more. Have a look at his review of a biogrophy of Willis Carto, every single W.N. leader in the U.S. is dismissed by White a homosexual, a pedophile, a drug-addict or a thief. This comes from someone who runs around the U.S. dressed up like he’s in 1920’s Germany. He also publically claimed to have the ear of Ron Paul and his advisors. http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2008/04/01/willis-carto-and-the-american-far-right-book-review/
What to make of this individual? The first thought that comes to mind is that anyone who like to dress like that is probably mentally unstable. Incidentally, I believe that the guy with glasses besides him is Michael Blevins, who has spent time in psychiatric institution. 43
Posted by Cowen, Cole-hann, or Chosen? on April 04, 2008, 12:11 AM | # Racial verification sought on next Irish PM Brian Cowen. There’s something possibly un-Aryan and un-Irish about this guy. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/03/irish.pm.ap/index.html 44
Posted by the badger on April 04, 2008, 02:29 AM | # Soren, it’s something I’ve been seriously considering. I like to think of characters in film not as representations of certain people, but as representations of certain ways of life / beliefs / attitudes. A more or less formulaic classic story structure reveals the qualities of these “characters” through a number of trials and tribulations, normally requiring the hero to make an important moral choice, which is often related to his weltanshauung. The outcome of these trials tells the audience whether his outlook is good or bad (eg, does his outlook or moral choice lead him to defeating the bad guy and getting the girl or is does he get killed). This is similar to the cautionary tales told to children such as the boy who cried wolf: if you tell lies people won’t believe you. Often this lesson / moral doesn’t even have to be logically linked, eg, “The little girl disobeyed her mother and a monster came out from under the bed and ate her.” Normally, “racists” in movies end up meeting a grizzly fate or are socially rejected in much the same way. This outcome doesn’t normally follow logically from their worldview, but the subconscious moral is still received that if you’re racist bad things will happen. American History X tells us that (valid) arguments by the father (regarding affirmative action etc), and Derek (regarding the invasion of blacks at Venice Beach) are entertained by people who become violent neo-nazis who end up in prison at the mercy of negroes. “Hatred is baggage” and you’ll do much better to live and let live. I enjoyed the movie Crash where the racist is not depicted as a one-dimensional violent retard. He’s no great hero but it showed you can have racialist attitudes and still be a ‘decent human being’. Films also teach the young how to interact socially, often moreso than parents and friends. They teach us that it’s completely acceptable for black people to use terms like “honkey”, “cracker”, “peckerwood” etc. I’d like to write a story set in modern times with a young pair, one is intelligent, good looking, maybe not too high up on the social ladder so that more people can relate, but generally admirable. His friend is a lefty / liberal who is endearing but mouths silly platitudes that we’re used to hearing and is generally not very bright. The beginning scenes setting the humdrum / harmony could have some great dialogue between the two arguing about the relative pros and cons of their positions - almost socratic in the way the message could come across.. The great and stupid contradictions in liberalism could be pointed out in a way that I think would be quite comical with the right language. Something happens which disrupts the harmony and they go on an adventure / quest / task. Along the way the liberal keeps getting them in trouble with his liberalism Eg they get lost in a city, find themselves in a bad neighbourhood. Cut to scene afterwards - the pair is in an ambulance - liberal on stretcher bandaged up - racist bloodied and bruised but not as bad as liberal - racist: you’re an idiot. [end scene] This is a fairly simplistic and obvious example off the top of my head but it still has a pretty good moral that anyone can grasp really. Because it would be mainly dialogue driven it wouldn’t cost too much to make. If the characters are interesting enough and there’s enough comedy in it it could get a few hits on youtube (unless someone flags it and it gets taken down). The liberal should still be endearing - ie not a strawman - but the racist should win the day for the pair each time. If anyone else has some comical situations in which a racist and liberal may find themselves please do share. Or a background - eg maybe they work together or live together. A good task / quest that forces them into an adventure together is also needed. Generally the best story will be one through which all of the really strong arguments for and against racialism / liberalism can be developed. 45
Posted by Bill on April 04, 2008, 03:16 AM | # My take. The whole thing will come apart at the seams, the reason why they (elites) have gained such complete mastery and control is because they are past masters of stealth, trickery, subversion lying and spin (superbly backed up by the MSM) and whilst immigration was at a trickle they could get away with it. You see, you cannot hide immigration, (ok maybe for a short while) but when they opened the floodgates, lo, people actually could see what was happening. I’m not saying they knew the reason why so many aliens were among them (and increasing by the day) but they could definitely see them with their own eyes and began to suspect all was not well. At this point people begin to murmur and exchange anxious glances, timid voices are heard; the first signs of concern are beginning to openly surface. The elites antennae twitch and swing into full zero tolerance mode. The first phase of control swings into gear, political correctness, the shutting down of debate designed specially for just such a moment, anti hate legislation is introduced, screams of racism etc. are levelled at any questioning of immigration, it is not surprising people recoiled under the onslaught, the rebellion is quashed – momentarily. Immigration continues apace, more aliens, more white flight, houses increase in price, affirmative action robs natives of work, first time home buyers cannot get on the property ladder, the middle classes are starting to be affected, good schools are getting harder to find, road traffic conditions are worsening - longer commute times, travelling by tube is a nightmare, crime ceases to affect only the other, they (middle classes) are beginning to ask themselves, is having a nanny and trendy restaurants to visit worth the trade off with immigration? Perhaps most significantly, their contribution to the elites enrichment programme is eroding their disposable income for they are taxed to the hilt in every way. The middle classes are not happy bunnies and if they withdraw their tacit support for the elites multi racial programme (as they assuredly will) then the whole edifice will come tumbling down. Meanwhile the masses are cottoning on to what is happening, as I write, the MSM blogosphere is in transformation, comments are becoming openly explicit and pass un-moderated, I’m not quite sure what this all indicates but let us hope the tabloid press is also having second thoughts. Neo liberalism denies reality, the dots are not joined, predictable negative consequence do not register on their radar, the blueprint for this stunningly audacious plan was floored from the beginning, unintended consequences litter the project, all we can do is watch it disintegrate in slow motion - a lot of people are going to get hurt. 46
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 04, 2008, 07:34 AM | # Bill keeps revealing himself a first-rate thinker and commenter. 47
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 09:57 AM | # “The middle classes are not happy bunnies and if they withdraw their tacit support for the elites multi racial programme (as they assuredly will) then the whole edifice will come tumbling down.”—Bill The real issue here is ‘CRITICAL MASS’: Defined as:-An amount or level needed for a specific result or new action to occur. We are in a race against time. Is ‘critical mass’ going to be reached in the form of a backlash by whites against non-white immigration before the percentage of non-whites reaches ‘critical mass’? If whites cannot halt and reverse nonwhite immigration, non-whites will overwhelm the indigenous white populations in all the European Countries .... I’m afraid the percentage of non-whites has already reached “critical mass” in the USA. The forthcoming Amnesty Bill for illegals will seal the fate of the white majority by soon relegating them to a permanent minority status. Can the masses of Europeans neutralize the elites and beat back the flood of non-whites before it’s too late? God I hope so! 48
Posted by 2R on April 04, 2008, 12:06 PM | # Onlooker, this is no longer about turning time back to “the good old days.” This is about white survival and ending the race replacement. The best thing that can happen to whites IS minority status. I don’t even think about this anymore in terms of America becoming “white America” again. The only thing that matters is reversing the genocide. All the territorial issues will work themselves out. Whites may have to see a country go down in order for them to “get it.”
Guessedworker, if there’s one thing that everyone who cares about white survival needs to realize, it is this. As you are smart enough to realize, all revolutionary and spiritual movements start with an intellectual phase. So this is where we are. You have created a pretty good website that without a doubt, does attract some serious and intelligent people. So what you need to do next is think about how this website can best produce what we agree is needed. What can you do to direct the thinking of the people who come here so it creates the ideological base that we know is necessary? You need to put some thought into this. You have some solid thinkers here. Now its time to channel this thinking. Have you ever thought about this? 49
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 12:45 PM | # “this is no longer about turning time back to “the good old days.” This is about white survival and ending the race replacement.” Agreed. I thought I made that implicitly clear in the last paragraph in my post; however, Europe isn’t as far down the demographical path towards “Mudsville” as the USA is. Their non-white population is still manageable (I think? I hope?). From my vantage point, here in the USA, I see Europe’s biggest threat is the spread of Islam from non-white immigrants. Of course I don’t diminish in any way that there is a menacing problem in Western Europe with non-whites in general, especially Negroes. 50
Posted by Guessedworker on April 04, 2008, 06:45 PM | # captainchaos: Are there White men and women you are aware of who you believe could potentially step up and fill the void as you see it to be? None that I am aware of, though that doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of them out there. I hope there are. To be precise, the void to which you refer is the partialness of judeophiliac race-realism and judeophobic white nationalism in America, and judeophiliac anti-islamicisation in Europe. Furthermore, if you start in the realm of the political like this, you are already standing over a second void: the absence of a corpus of foundational ideas to inform the new polity and the principles of the political actors. Would you yourself consider doing so? As well, obviously, as keeping it humble in regard to that sort of thing, I think it’s important to maintain a sense of proportion. At MR we tend to talk in the broadest sense about the one-way ticket to oblivion which modernity has become for all the sons of Europe. So vast, so established and long in train is this process that most people can’t think on the scale required to comprehend it. They are simply not familiar with playing with ideas on this scale. With a few honourable exceptions (ResistingDefamation, for instance) the “radical-right” internet is a learning tool, a centre of dissidence, new thinking and free discussion. I guess MR is the Haight-Ashbury to WN’s Frisco. Heavy political lifting is still in the future, career-wise. Just trying to understand a little more each day is the order of the day for little people like us. The badger: We don’t live in a world of heroic leaders anymore, insofar as they used to have the power to inspire their people. We live in a world of Bono, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Kanye West; fabricated symbols of moral authority designed as role models for the great unwashed. That Straussian bon mot comes to mind again: “In the future there will be a world of entertainment without the possibility of political struggle.” The power of the image is a Jewish power, and it is the power to thieve time and human purpose, making all experience that of the surface of things, and as light as dust. The anti-human lives in it. Yes, it enslaves the limited and the suggestible. But who among the able-minded will it fascinate and satisfy all life long? For some - just for some - the thing invites rebellion in 10ft high letters. Again, then, we see the advantage of speaking to intelligence, and leaving the unequal battle of mass propaganda until the odds are more favourable. Fr. John Faith will not do for us what must done. Love yes. But it is the same love as the love of family, not the love of Christ. He is not with us. We are going to have to do this by ourselves and according to our own morals, and with dictates we have fashioned, and methods we have chosen. All our brothers, religious or not, are needed to help in this. But the task is secular. 2R,: all revolutionary and spiritual movements start with an intellectual phase. So this is where we are. Yes, indeed we are. You ask what more I can do. I am not MR, of course. I made myself one blogger at the outset. What we are, then, is different. We are not all men and women (woman, actually) of one opinion or political history. We are everyone or, at least, every able person that loves what the rest of us love, and wants to contribute to its survival. What I can do is limited to two things. I can encourage the able and the committed among the 60 or 70 thousand “uniques” that visit us every month to step forward and help where help is needed: front of house. This applies to you, too. And I can try to give direction to the journey of philosophical discovery, and participate as far as I am able in that. We are an open house, something that has caused its fair share of upset in the past. But it’s for a reason, and the reason is that I don’t want to limit the discovery process to what I may have believed last year or the year before ... whenever. I am learning, and I know I have a way to go with that. Later, I hope, we will have enough crystallised opinion in the blog that we can format more, and change gear to “the political”. Then there will be more action. Thank about that offer, 2R. To all others on this thread to whom I have not specifically replied, I should just add this: IMO, this is an important thread with many contributions of value, for which I’m grateful. Apologies for being so selective! 51
Posted by Bo on April 04, 2008, 07:00 PM | # 2R on Friday, April 4, says, “The best thing that can happen to whites IS minority status.” That’s a highly debatable point, but some interesting things can be said about this concept. First, diverse white European-origin peoples are a minority in the world, and to a degree unknown just 100 years ago. Presumably 2R means as a share in a given country, but it is still instructive to note that we really are a minority group. Second, a point that I have never seen analyzed here is that many of the attitudes presented are conditional on whether the writer has primarily experienced one of three situations. Those who live in essentially monocultural enclaves, counties, municipalities, or states have a radically different view from the rest of us. One of the things we learned with our efforts with organizational building is that a large portion of our EA members was made up of European Americans sorta-kinda thinking about leaving a bicultural or multicultural area. They moved to Pennsylvania, Utah, Idaho, or the Dakotas, and almost all forgot the cause. Anyway, a monocultural community is most desirable, but generates a placid “Eloi” style on the issues raised here. Then we have the bicultural community with two principal groups: Detroit with Arabs & Africans; Milwaukee & Cincinnati with Africans & Europeans; Cupertino in California with Europeans & Asians; Watts in California with Mexicans & Africans; and so on. These may well be the most difficult communities in which to reside peacefully. If a writer has primarily experienced this state of affairs, they are likely to have different attitudes from those who reside elsewhere. Third, we have the multicultural community with a number of demographics such that none is a 51% majority. San Jose has reached that point, but what has happened since 1990 is that the groups need each other politically to campaign for office, bond issues, or parcel taxes. This has lowered the rhetoric considerably from earlier days when San Jose was a bicultural community: European & Mexican. So sometimes we can decode the nature of the speech, and discern whether the poster is from a monocultural, bicultural, or multicultural community. This is not an argument for either biculturalism or multiculturalism—it is that these are facts on the ground and point to the fact that one party line or even just one political philosophy may not play equally well among white European-origin peoples depending on their experiences. Of course, a very small minority will lead to change in any case. 52
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 07:20 PM | # Bo, unless something miraculous happens, it’s over for the European genotype and Phenotype. I refer to this MR/AR link: 53
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 08:06 PM | # BTW, Bo, I grew up in Detroit and was immersed in the lovely culture of “African Americans.” I attended DPS K-12. The Arabs I’ve grown up with were not Muslims (They are Christians [Chaldeans]). They are just just as honkified as I am. 54
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 08:26 PM | # “Of course, a very small minority will lead to change in any case.” WRONG!!!! It will take a massive transformation in public policy. Nothing in the foreseeable future indicates such a change will happen. PLEASE, PLEASE prove me wrong! 55
Posted by 2R on April 04, 2008, 09:06 PM | # GW, you said “Thank about that offer, 2R.” Can you clarify what this means?
Just like any worthwhile experience, the process of reversing our genocide is going to make us better. Its not the piece of paper that says “Masters” or “Bachelors” on it that makes college a good experience. Its the process of doing the work and taking the exams that transforms the person into someone who is “educated.” The same goes for this struggle. As we, as people do what it takes to reverse the genocide, we will evolve into something greater. After white people are healthy again, they will look back to the struggle as a great saga in their history. Our future bloodline’s history is occurring now. 56
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 09:10 PM | # We white men in the USA have to count on on white lesbians like Tammy Bruce, and black men such as Ward Connerly, Shelby Steele, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Larry Elder, ad infinitum to defend our races’ honor in MSM. WTF is up with that? 57
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 09:47 PM | # 2R, I believe Guessedworker knows what the future holds; Bo, doesn’t. IMO the genocide of the white race has already happened. It happened in the 1960’s. We are currently witnessing the delayed ugly event. 58
Posted by 2R on April 04, 2008, 09:56 PM | # onlooker, all your posts are of the hopeless variety. It looks like you think all is lost? What is your purpose of being here? 59
Posted by onlooker on April 04, 2008, 10:07 PM | # all your posts are of the hopeless variety. It looks like you think all is lost? What is your purpose of being here? Posted by 2R on Saturday, April 5, 2008 at 01:56 AM | # I’m trying to use reverse psychology to get Whites to fight back. 60
Posted by 2R on April 04, 2008, 11:22 PM | # When I look at a picture like the one with Bill White above, I try to figure out why anyone would ever agree to dress up like that? Since its obvious to me that White is a ADL employee or some other kind of disinformation/false flag operative, I wonder how he got stuck with that assignment? Maybe he pissed someone off and his Jewish handlers are making him do it for punishment? Maybe he’s in debt and his handlers paid his debts for him? Either way, there can be no doubt that he’s is not working for our interests. I’m trying to figure out how much someone would have to pay me to act like that? The other possibility is maybe he was facing legal problems? Maybe someone told him “put on the uniform or go to jail.” Would someone actually volunteer for such an assignment? 61
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 05, 2008, 02:44 AM | # In a thread over at Prozium’s, Desmond summarizes one widely-discussed view of why the preponderance of Euro élites (Euro-race élites not including Jews) not only don’t mount resistance to the deliberate forcing of race-replacement on Euros but actually join in:
My view, which I’ve expressed often: women’s suffrage is the problem: not only are women constitutionally unable to see that which men call nations and races, they react with hostility when those particular concepts — race and nation — are even brought up in their true sense, sort of the way they react with hostility when “guns” and “war” are brought up. They hate them. Young men hoping to get laid ... score with ... pull ... “make a favorable impression on” ... young women know they have to pretend to hate those concepts too, otherwise the Negro chap over there who knows how to play the game according to women’s tastes will pull the girl instead and politicians are quite like young men hoping to get laid: they know which notions they’d better leave strictly out of their party platforms lest the female fifty percent of voters hate them from the get-go and are “pulled” instead by the other guy who knows how to play the game. Take a normal country that decides its affairs by elections. Take a group that not only cannot understand what “nation” or “race” are even when explained, but hates it when those notions are so much as brought up, because vaguely perceiving them to be intrinsically mean. Make that nation-and-race-phobic group fifty percent of your electorate. Add Jews, who hate your race and nation and know perfectly how to appeal on a “race-and-nation-are-mean” basis to the members of that hypothetical group that, bear in mind, is now fifty percent of your voters. Let simmer and come back in two generations. It doesn’t need a rocket scientist to predict what you’ll find. Did Bill Clinton decide he hated his race and nation because he was principled? Of course not. He understood since his freshman year in college that that was what would get him laid ... big time. And, women being fifty percent of voters, he rightly perceived it would “get him laid” in politics too — in more ways than one ... two ... the other one ... well, you know what I mean ... Since the advent of women’s suffrage, politically-ambitious men understand that In politics exactly as in trying to get laid you have to tell women what they want to hear and never, ever, ever, ever, ever what they don’t want to hear, and stuff like “war,” “guns,” “nation,” and “race,” well, they don’t want to hear. Today’s quiz: Does it take a rocket scientist to predict how that will affect the writing of major party platforms? Check one: ___ Yes ___ No. Make women not just voters but fifty percent of them and presto! Race-replacement, the Jews are having a field-day, running wild, unable to believe their luck, and your race is reduced to, as Desmond puts it, “a small ethnocentric remnant” quicker than you can say “Democratic-and-Republican-parties.” Yes of course there are plenty of other factors, not just the advent of women’s suffrage. What’s happening is they’re all, all the factors, coming together in sort of a “perfect storm.” That’s what we’re up against, a perfect-storm situation ... and in a spirit diametrically contrary to Onlooker’s, I say we can win this thing. 62
Posted by J Richards on April 05, 2008, 05:46 AM | # Why the Linderian approach is useless at best but much more likely to be harmful to white interests If there is a point to be gotten across, it is best delivered using simple, profanity- and crudity-free language. Toilet humor will shock but not win favors among the naive and those sitting on the fence. Substance in arguments serves to awaken. Riley said it:
Propaganda comparing racially conscious whites or whites concerned about their ethno-racial-cultural future to Nazis is ubiquitous. How can anyone think that asleep or barely-awake whites can be awakened by potty-mouthed talk from ‘Nazis’? Since we are so often compared to Nazis, isn’t it time we clarified that the real Nazis didn’t do what they have been accused of and the reason why this propaganda exists? And who thinks that any skeptic would bother even considering the possibility when the argument is Linder-style? George Rockwell had a point right Read this quote by GT.
This language will not appeal to the common man, which Rockwell got right, and it is not clear which people to target in GT’s comment. But speaking of the monetary system, what if we just do the following: a) Eliminate privately held central banks (owned by Ashke-nazis, btw) such as the Federal Reserve. What will happen to our financial situation? Magic! And in steps a-d it is also clear what the nature of the problem is and who is predominantly responsible. 63
Posted by J Richards on April 05, 2008, 05:51 AM | # Why do some MR regulars never learn about Bill white and his ilk? Bill White is a Jew/Zionist agent. Friedrich Braun posted a link to Bill White’s book review, where White dismissed most American white nationalists as homosexuals, pedophiles, thiefs, drug addicts, etc. Nationalists in America have indeed experienced heaviy infiltration, particularly by the Ashke-nazis. Please read about the infiltration issue. I will quote the beginning of the Deguello report (1976).
In his book review, Bill White is employing the old trick, ‘give away some useful information to establish credibility’, but Bill himself is an inflitrator. Ashke-nazis have tarnished our image: Frank Collins (Frank Cohen) , Ben Klassen, and many others, including George Lincoln Rockwell, Wolfgang Hawke (Andrew Brita Greenbaum). Recently, even the Mossad front SPLC had to admit that Hal Turner was working for the FBI. Alex Linder is either crazy or working against us and for the Ashke-nazis. Since Guessedworker mentioned Judeophobic American white nationalism, it is time to see that many of these ‘Judeophobes’ are Ashke-nazi, who are easy to spot: crude Linder-style anti-Semitic statements, not much in terms of substance, having little power to convince, etc. 64
Posted by J Richards on April 05, 2008, 05:57 AM | # Guessedworker’s 4 questions
Yes. The more the awakenings, the better.
Much can be accomplished without leadership. Imagine a large number of people are doing the following.
Will this have some impact in weakening our most formidable enemy? You bet, but Linderian writing is incapable of convincing people to act in this manner. Leadership will help, but the most important issue will be preventing infiltration, particularly by the Ashke-nazis. The leaders will also need to be of outstanding moral character. If they have vices, the Zionists will find them, exploit them and blackmail the leaders into being their puppets. Some have described David Duke as a leader, but he is not. Duke has a gambling addiction for which he has served federal time. There is no telling to what extent he was blackmailed by the Ashke-nazi in exchange for a light sentence. Duke still claims that he is not competent to judge the Holocaust narrative. Some white leader! And why would the MSM give him so much publicity if he is good for us?
Make that appealing to the masses. Leaders lead; they do not need to be taught/convinced. Focus on educating the public and those of leadership caliber among the masses will emerge.
Lots of empirical evidence. Riley said it again:
Guessedworker wants the discourse framed as philosophy. No problem, but what would lead to the foundations of the philosophy? Facts, historical truth, evidence. Salterian first cause as the initial material for the philosophical discourse? Whereas this might motivate better educated people with leadership potential, Salter’s thesis involves a level of abstraction that would be difficult to get the masses excited about notwithstanding the best efforts of the leaders. Discussing the value of what we want to preserve, i.e., the why, will be valuable rather than the abstraction of genetic code. Think of a multilayered approach. The same argument/philosophy is summed up in an easy to understand and concise manner for the masses lacking a high level of education and having a short attention span as well as its elaboration being available to better educated people. 65
Posted by J Richards on April 05, 2008, 06:01 AM | # Comments conveying hopelessness and pessimism Onlooker, You must stop posting depressing comments like the following.
These are just from this page. You have been leaving similar comments all over. Don’t try to justify them as a form of reverse psychology. No shrink uses hopelessness as a tool to motivate people to action. The very idea is absurd. To motivate people to action or to ‘fight back’, the argument must be made that change is possible and will happen provided that we act and act now. Pessimism is self-fulfilling. 66
Posted by onlooker on April 05, 2008, 07:38 AM | # “To motivate people to action or to ‘fight back’, the argument must be made that change is possible and will happen provided that we act and act now.” START THE OVENS!!! 67
Posted by onlooker on April 05, 2008, 07:57 AM | # BTW, I totally agree with Fred’s assessment of the situation he so well articulated in his post on Saturday, April 5, 2008 at 06:44 AM | # c-ya! 68
Posted by haramzada on April 05, 2008, 09:51 AM | # Scoob is, as usual, correct in his assessment. Women are a — I wanted to say dead weight, but in fact a deadly weight, the fatal millstone round our necks. Without bitches to breed, all is lost, and even then probably. What we need are some Sabine bitches to nab; I propose a matrimonial expedition to the Aryan lands of Tajikistan, Nuristan and Chitral. How many bitches we need — one or twothousand? It’s more feasible than Aryan colonization of the moon or any other Hyperborean homeland, anyway. I jest. That photo of Bill White put me in the mood. (The question is not why anyone would dress that way, but why a millionaire, as which White never fails to advertise himself, would dress that way?) J Richards is opposite the mark in almost everything. Reminds me of the avg Stormfrother. Describing Linder as “crazy” and White as a “Jew” — simplistic garbage. And most charming, telling onlooker to cease his depressing comments. Women think that way; what is ‘depressing’, ‘sad’, ‘negative’, ‘unhappy’ can’t be true, useful, valuable in itself. You have to “be positive”, a cheerleader, etc. 69
Posted by haramzada on April 05, 2008, 10:16 AM | # I suppose, per GW’s gentle cue, I should say exactly how I think “this” should be framed: — for now, as satire exclusively. Somehow induce Chuck Pearson out of retirement and if he says he can’t write the way he used to, ply him with speed and coke. Also finding fresh talent, like Scooby, to take the lead in “framing” “this” as amusingly as possible, what both VNN and Heretical had going for them before they sank into uninspired didactic moralism under ‘Socrates’ and Luke O’Farrell. Recognizing that such a project has a short lifespan, as we see in the case of VNN, and should not attempt to keep alive by setting itself unrealistic goals outside of its natural purpose (“activisms”); that there are severe limits to what any kind of approach can achieve. The question to ask ourselves, I feel, is this: How many more times have you read that Linder’s sarcasm (pace Pearson, for the last time) got someone into anti-Semitism than GW’s calm, measured, ‘philosophical’ approach? The only rival is MacDonald — but the lesson here is not that if we all start imitating MacDonald, more people will get the message: simply that we have to popularize MacDonald himself (et al.) through advertising and esculent summary. You have to milk something like that for all it’s worth before you wander off onto your own path and imagine how you, yourself, can be instrumental and famous in the struggle against Jewry — for, believe it or not, ego plays a huge role in the ideology of even the subtlest minds here (I think of GW and wintermute), these types wanting to be immense philosophic revolutionaries in whose image and shadow the future will ultimately be cast. There’s no getting past ego, of course…...even Linder, whose offhand profession of libertarianism, by the way, was more to say that he’s a “live and let live” kinda guy than a card-holder who couldn’t affect a bloody revolution*, who initially kept himself very much out of the way and was quite approachable, for example in the acceptance of original material, eventually degenerated into crotchety intransigence in doing with VNN exactly as he liked (low-grade porn for shock effect, blog format, shitty newspaper, etc.) while still, and now fatally, keeping out of the way and most paradoxically repeatedly calling for “new talent”. Apparently by talent he meant technical talent, which he more or less received to no effect. Instead he should’ve combed through all the worthless fora that have cropped up since VNN’s inception for the best, most vociferous wit on the scene and said hey dude, wanna come vent at my website? Like even the hardest hardon, white-hot anger is hard to stoke indefinitely; but by casting about for fresh meat just here, Linder might’ve prolonged the life of his baby. His ego, then, shows up in his refusal to stay the course with what made VNN successful. Point is that everyone wants to be the man, a bunch of other guys wants there to be a man, any man so long as he “leads”. 70
Posted by haramzada on April 05, 2008, 10:24 AM | # a card-holder who couldn’t affect a bloody revolution* This refers to GW’s remark: Libertarianism is fully compatible with the individualist zeitgeist of modern America, and perfectly incompatible with an anti-liberal revolution. I fail to see, though, how GW is fitter for stirring up anti-liberal revolution, unless he redefines ‘revolution’ to fit his capabilities. Revolution….something about meta-politics…...cultural change, philosophy…....and so on into the elysian fields of self-important intellectualism. Compare all that to Linder: Like I say, jews should be physically exterminated. That is not an extremist position, that is a moderate position. The extremist position is that they ought to be shot with silver bullets and have stakes driven through their hearts. Now in the traditional sense of this word revolution, which sort of approach would you say is more likely to stir up, to stoke, to positively FIRE revolutionary passion? Again — no discussion needed: the best medicine is fire and brimstone. 71
Posted by haramzada on April 05, 2008, 10:49 AM | # I will say this — as unimportant as all the discussion that takes place here basically is, it is still head & shoulders above anything of its kind, uniting (much of the time) the highbrow quality of kosher racialist and the absolutely vital frankness of anti-Semitic discourse. Given that, the two extremes — the ‘highbrow’ camp, easily penetrated by the Jew; the ‘lowbrow’, easily brushed aside as without substance — may now be safely ignored. 72
Posted by skeptical on April 05, 2008, 11:17 AM | # It goes with out saying that revolutions require revolutionary conditions and leaders don’t arise out of a vacuum to take the reins of a political movement which has almost no one behind it. Here in the U.S. whites have grown accustomed to a level of prosperity over the past few decades and don’t find our rhetoric about ethnic/racial preservationism all that useful to their daily existence. Furthermore, as long as whites remain cheaply entertained, fat, and imperfectly segregated they don’t really have a need to adopt race realist positions and can comfortably live their lives indulging in the various fantasies that the left liberals spoon-feed them from adolescence through adulthood. Those amongst us who have not been completely brainwashed are made numb (and apathetic) by American supercapitalist excesses. And those of us, those who understand this problem, are dumbstruck by the sheer magnitude of the hideous spectacle before us and have a difficult time knowing where to begin. I personally find our vast American metropolises to be rather disorienting. So, I think conditions on the ground need to change before any of us can hope for real success. In the interim, a good goal for this cause would be to reach (or awaken or…whatever) the most reactionary elements, say 10-20%, of our respective nations in order to form the requisite base support needed to have a real political movement. 74
Posted by Guessedworker on April 05, 2008, 01:23 PM | # Onlooker, I would hope that reverse psychology - or, indeed, any special tactic - is surplus to requirements here. MR is not really where folks who need the motivation to fight back generally hang out. How to fight back, exactly, is more our line of country. haramzada, Alex is a daring and charismatic leader-in-waiting of the white race. I am a bit of a blogger with a loyal heart. Maybe we do not align for comparitive purposes. But if you feel like it, you could always set about calculating the probable effects of our respective strategies. You know Alex’s well, it seems. So will his strategy of propaganda set off the white avalanche? Will “going through the Jew” free white Americans? And free them into what, precisely? Because I have this nagging doubt. I look at America, its progressive individualist zeitgeist and it’s democratic egalitarianism, and see a socio-historical dynamic that simply does not provide for healthy ethnocentricity. To know how Italians and Irish in America (and Ukrainians and Irish in Canada) have historically defined their ethnic interests in oppositon to the interests of the Anglo majority, and joined with Jews, blacks and others in damaging Anglo interests, is to understand the fatal weakness in progressive Americanism. It is not enough, not nearly enough, to “name the Jew” as the author of all our troubles ... or even of a portion of them sufficient to bring the white America of the 1950s to its knees within a hundred short years. We have to look at the structural deficit - a pre-existing condition - into which the Culture of Critique could pour its schtick. And we find there a materialism wholly sympathetic to Jewish materialism. We find a hebreic Christian universalism that actually begat the Lazarine universalism of the tired, the poor, and the merely huddled. We find an unquestioning reverence for individual freedom. These flaws belong to the polity. Change for health means change here. This is what revolution is. Jews will be shifted out of the path of white ethnocentrism far more completely and certainly by disaccomodating them from their philosophical beds than ever they will by Alex’s street-fighting. But Alex will never set foot upon the streets, will he? 75
Posted by Guessedworker on April 05, 2008, 01:50 PM | # Haramzada, I haven’t been sufficiently explicit about what it is people like us can, in our limited way, do. There is a wide space between the provision of ideas by serious thinkers - many of whom, as I menioned, were writing long ago - and the development of politics. I am not suggesting that we write philosophy, per se. That is not our province. But we can select and interpret, and apply it to a politics that offers, prospectively at least, the change we desire. That seems to me to be doable by people with goodwill and understanding. You mention Alex calling for talent. That’s how it is when there’s progress to be made. The alternative is the egoistic way, it seems to me, of hording the fame and riches, so to speak, to oneself. Anyhow, I appreciate your comments - even the ones that are a tad personal. 76
Posted by 2R on April 05, 2008, 04:25 PM | # “Make women not just voters but fifty percent of them and presto! Race-replacement” (-FS) Fred, this is only so when white women are living comfortably. I’ve had many conversations with girls from my college who either live, or have lived in the dormitory with negresses. Hearing these girls speak of the “black bitches”—who apparently live in a manner that is unappealing to the suburban upbringing of these girls—can be quite entertaining. Now I’m not disagreeing with you about white women not seeing “nations.” I’ve pointed this out myself in the past, but I still don’t put the blame on them. White men have to accept this problem as being our own. White women, really any women, want men to lead them. I don’t care how much they claim otherwise. In the past, white people have been able to move away from these issues. This is obviously becoming less of an option due to the loss of working class jobs and the invasion of affirmative action non-whites into traditional’ “safe areas.” I think the “perfect storm” you talk about is going to surprise you with what it brings out in people. We (“We” meaning the people who currently DO see nations) might end up being the voice of reason in the future. IOW, we may be the ones trying to calm down the repressed feelings of the masses. 77
Posted by onlooker on April 05, 2008, 05:43 PM | # “I would hope that reverse psychology - or, indeed, any special tactic - is surplus to requirements here. MR is not really where folks who need the motivation to fight back generally hang out. How to fight back, exactly, is more our line of country.”—GW Point well taken. “Ethnic Genetic Interests by JWH” Everyone should scroll up to the upper left hand corner, and under the ‘Important issues section’, click on EGI.pdf. Read it carefully! If you’ve already read it, read it again. We need to fully understand that people of European decent—all over the planet—are currently undergoing a quite, stealthy, form of GENOCIDE. Most whites refuse to even think about it let alone fight against it. What can we do to stop it before the percentage of non-whites reach ‘critical mass’ or a tipping point in white nations? Short of a violent revolution, how do we fight back against an insulated, and most often an incorporal enemy? P.S. IMO, “race-replacement” while good, is too euphemistic a term for what’s acually taking place—the term is GENOCIDE! 78
Posted by Guessedworker on April 05, 2008, 06:09 PM | # onlooker, The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide came into force in January 1951, a few months before I was born. In those 57 years I have seen the death-cult in the West emerge from nothing. Here is the body of the text of the Convention. To my way of thinking, Article 2(b) and 2(c) are of interest, as are Article 3(b), 3(c) and 3(e).
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 05, 2008, 06:55 PM | #
I think clearly there are additional sections of the text, highlit below in red, that appy to the present race-replacement crisis (and I agree with Onlooker of course, that what’s going on is nothing short of genocide, and the word genocide more fully describes it. (One must also never lose sight of the fact it’s being done deliberately: this is no accident. There are people who are deliberately committing genocide of Euros by the method of 1) excessive incompatible immigration coupled with 2) strict stifling of all white protest, using the pretext that all disagreement is “hate,” “racism,” and “xenophobia.”) Article 2: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Article 3: The following acts shall be punishable: (a) Genocide; (b) Conspiracy to commit genocide; (c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide; (d ) Attempt to commit genocide; (e) Complicity in genocide. According to articles 4, 5, 6, and 7 (see them in GW’s comment above) anyone pushing race-replacement genocide of whites, such as Alon Ziv, Abe Foxman, George Bush, Tony Blair, and Jacques Chirac, is liable to criminal penalties as well as extradition for the purpose of being brought to justice. What are the penalties? As far as we know, the precedent establishing the penalty to be meted out for genocide was set at Nuremberg: the gallows. 80
Posted by onlooker on April 05, 2008, 07:18 PM | # “Here is the body of the text of the Convention. To my way of thinking, Article 2(b) and 2(c) are of interest, as are Article 3(b), 3(c) and 3(e).” In the face of the genocidal evidence caused by non-white immigration into white countries, ANYONE who still continues to push for immigration policies that permit non-whites to immigrate into white countries can and should be prosecuted, then found guilty on the circumstantial evidence alone. HANG ‘EM HIGH! 81
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 05, 2008, 07:57 PM | # Onlooker above makes an important, very serious point: no one at this stage of the game can pretend ingnorance about what’s in the offing in regard to the crisis of government-enforced excessive incompatible immigration — no one can say he doesn’t realize slow gradual unwanted-but-forced-from-above genocide is what’s in the offing. Ignorance is no longer conceivable as a defense. Maybe it was in 1965, 1985, or even 1990. It isn’t now. It is on this basis we can confidently accuse various parties as being knowing collaborators in genocide. Parties such as the Vatican. The U.S. Lutherans. The U.S. Methodists. Lambeth Palace. Many other guilty parties. The Jews, we already know about. They’re the ring-leaders. But they have confederates, and not a few. They all, everyone of them, know exactly what they’re doing: deliberately phasing whites out. 82
Posted by Captainchaos on April 05, 2008, 08:21 PM | # What if the absolute worst scenario for our people came to pass? What if we were faced with an all out race war against non-whites in the North American and European theatres in which the loser would be utterly exterminated? Can we win? To me this is THE bottom line, end game question. All our current machinations are to prevent this horror scenario. 83
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 05, 2008, 08:41 PM | # From the “I Really Hate When I See That” department: What’s wrong with this picture? Read the following passage excerpted from a letter to Gates of Vienna and fill in the blank at the end:
OK, what word would you put there? “Racial,” right? Well, that’s not what this person put — here’s the rest:
Whaaaaat??? “Cultural”??? But ... but ... but ... how did that happen??? The guy sounded exactly like he had it down, like he was gonna put “racial” there!! And to cap it off and let you know we’re really and truly not talking about race, we then get this:
Oh. ... OK, So ... the crisis is strictly one of “culture replacement.” Strictly a problem of “the least racist cultures being replaced by the more racist cultures.” OK got it, thanks. Right, so I guess a few extra night-school classes in ... culture ... will solve everything, the whole problem. What a relief! Hey we can all pack up and go home now! HooRAY!! I’ve been DYING to catch up on my woodworking, rose gardening, and Lithuanian and ancient Gothic grammar! Been dying to get back to those since 2004 when I discovered this site! NOW I CAN! 84
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 05, 2008, 08:56 PM | #
Captainchaos, of course we can win. That’s why the other side is giving us the frog-in-the-gradually-boiling-pot treatment — they know in a direct confrontation they’d get their asses handed to them. Of course, the problem is Euros share that really dumb gene with frogs, the one that makes them not jump out of the pot. No other life forms have that gene, only Euros, frogs, plantlife ... and oh yeah, maybe lobsters — none of them jump out either. If we can solve that we’ll have this licked! But hey we’re not alone in sharing weird, dumb genes with animals — the Jews share the weird, dumb moth gene that makes them fly straight into candle flames, causing all kinds of unnecessary grief for themselves. Exact same gene as the moths. These are the first documented cases of humans having an exact copy of, respectively, an amphibian gene and an insect gene. (Yeah, it’s going into the Guiness Records book ...) 85
Posted by Desmond Jones on April 05, 2008, 09:45 PM | # Fred, With respect, the position that women are racially and nationally unaware, is weak. How do we account for Margaret Sanger’s views (or her Canadian equivalent Emily Murphy). Are we to dismiss the over one million members of the WKKK? Margaret Sanger On blacks, immigrants and indigents: On sterilization & racial purification: On the right of married couples to bear children: On the purpose of birth control: On the extermination of blacks: 86
Posted by onlooker on April 05, 2008, 09:57 PM | # Margaret Sanger is dead. Long live Margaret Sanger! 87
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 05, 2008, 10:08 PM | # Desmond, Margaret Sanger could be one of the rare exceptions, just as there are exceptions in everything. That said, however, grasping race, which no woman grasps, isn’t the same as merely knowing who’s a Negro and some of the characteristics of Negroes, which all women know. Every white woman in the U.S. knows which person is a Negro and that she’s taking her life in her hands if she walks through a Negro neighborhood alone, something she’d never do for that reason. But not one grasps race, a broader, deeper cognition. 88
Posted by GT on April 06, 2008, 01:49 AM | # J. Richards, This language will not appeal to the common man, which Rockwell got right, and it is not clear which people to target in GT’s comment. I am an Ozarkian from southern Missouri, raised on a farm and accustomed to having squirrel, rabbit, or froglegs for supper in years long past. It may astound certain people, but most of us under-educated peckerwoods raised in non-square, drafty, wood-heated farmhouses are able to communicate reasonably well in all worlds without all of the “nigger, nigger, jew, jew, jew, nigger, jew, jew, jew, nigger, jew, jew.” Linder, native Missourian and graduate of Pomona College, should know this. Is his condescending attitude toward “the common man” feigned or genuine? That’s something else I want to know. MR readers following my posts since the white privilege thread have a general idea of what I mean. So do two or three hypocritical VNN fans of MR. They know who they are: “Nigger in the woodpile alert.” “MR groupie.” 89
Posted by Bill on April 06, 2008, 06:18 AM | # IMO, “race-replacement” while good, is too euphemistic a term for what’s actually taking place—the term is GENOCIDE!
The astonishing success of our adversary is due in large part to the distortion of language, (their secret weapon) a department in which we could learn a great deal (and redress the balance.) I personally, have a similar modus operandi, in short, I neg’ the b*****ds every chance I get, before breakfast, after breakfast, before lunch, after lunch, before tea and after tea, INO words, I neg’em at every opportunity that comes my way, I throw mud at them, I accuse them of everything, whether true or false, I ridicule them, I insult them, I treat like the scum they are – I think it works, a lot of this mud sticks, others catch on and do the same, stuff’em, they do it to us - so dish it out to them. World War III World war III (North v South) started decades ago and is now right here in our own back yard, the shock troops of the enemy high command are pouring through the front door which is being held open by our welcoming, traitorous politicians, the objective of this invasion is to drive our tribe off this planet. It has been a sneaky attack, as one would expect from such a devious cunning enemy, fifth columnists were long ago parachuted into every institution in our lands, subverting our freedoms, waiting for the day. Meanwhile, Under cover of a heavy media smoke-screen, a complacent population has been sedated by seditious rhetoric and scurrilous lies, accompanied by an expertly contrived programme of soporific pap designed to dumb down the viewers, as a result, the great masses have been kept looking the other way, away from the evidence of war’s approach, it is only a few aware observers who can see the gathering storm clouds. This war was always going to be about numbers, (it was designed that way) by a relentless infiltration of our territories, there inevitably comes a time when a tipping point is reached, IOW, there is more of them than us, if we allow this point to be reached, then it will all be over and things will becomes seriously ugly, the initiative is now with the invader, it become a fight to the death. The scenarios that conjure in my mind are too horrendously evil to allow to surface here – suffice to say this our enemy’s revenge – big-time. 90
Posted by haramzada on April 06, 2008, 09:18 AM | # Because I have this nagging doubt. I look at America, its progressive individualist zeitgeist and it’s democratic egalitarianism, and see a socio-historical dynamic that simply does not provide for healthy ethnocentricity. A doubt I share, along with many others. Now all these doubts force me to view Linder’s old approach — I repeat that he’s exhausted himself and that VNN is dead — as preferable to any other in that it proposed no grand objective beyond bludgeoning avg guys into seeing some deeply uncomfortable truths about modern society, Jews taking center stage, and providing a lot of laughs along the way, no mean thing for an oppressed majority, I think you’d agree. Maybe I just have a soft spot for what VNN did for me? Maybe I overvalue humor, which is related to what I think of this whole business of a ‘movement’. My initial purpose in commenting here, apart from taking the piss a little, was merely to point out that having to rationalize a “Linderian approach” is as far from the spirit of the old VNN as ponderous leftist theses on pop music. As far as I have understood the “classics” of propaganda, it should be if nothing else three things: entertaining, informative and repetitive. Linder, following Pearson, was entertaining, informative and repetitive. MR is entertaining only to a handful of guys of more rarefied wits. Point being that if you want to speak of propaganda at all, you must tackle the droll and fruitless question of how to make yourself entertaining?, otherwise do not even worry about it — there is no contest between your two styles and MR should not be viewed as a rinky-dink propaganda machine (which I think you contend somewhere above). I am not suggesting that we write philosophy, per se. That is not our province. But we can select and interpret, and apply it to a politics that offers, prospectively at least, the change we desire. Very “doable”, no argument there. I question the value of the product, but that is irrelevant.
I called you “MR groupie”. What’s wrong with that? you bring MR-style discourse to VNN and don’t expect us to notice? I’m doing you a favor, anyway, for I promise you that VNN is no place for terms like “Salterian” and “Homo Monetarus”. Is his condescending attitude toward “the common man” feigned or genuine? Huh. You seem to be on the lookout for condescension toward your background, because from my perspective — a Yankee — I’ve always noted Linder’s defense of the southerner as he appears in Jewish parody. But a lot of you southerners are ever on the lookout for an opportunity to puff up and intone that yer Scots-Ahrish n prayood. No judgement there — I’ve met a handful of bright, decent cooneaters in my time, a culinary institution for which I have no little respect. 91
Posted by Nux Gnomica on April 06, 2008, 10:24 AM | # The Legrainian approach to propaganda isn’t going down very well at the Guardian. And I think actual Guardian fans are among the bottle-throwers as Legrain clanks out his tired old riff. One of them asks: “What on earth is the Guardian doing paying someone with such a poor grasp on reason?” http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/philippe_legrain/2008/04/the_crowded_house_fallacy.html
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Posted by Concerned white on April 06, 2008, 12:50 PM | # I have been reading Majority Rights for months. I agree with what I have read here. Too much time is spent preaching to the converted. White people build great countries and non-white people flock to them. White people are victims of their own success. 93
Posted by Guessedworker on April 06, 2008, 03:04 PM | # Haramzada, Do you know what kind of reader numbers VNN attracted at its height? Concerned white, someone is bound to tackle you on your statement that white people are victims of their own success. But I’ll let that pass. Are you saying that white separatists should pursue environmentalist practises for racialist reasons? 94
Posted by Concerned white on April 06, 2008, 03:16 PM | # Guessedworker, Yes, anti environment practises. 95
Posted by Guessedworker on April 06, 2008, 04:06 PM | # OK, but in the absence of power the room for manoeuvre is extremely limited. As things stand, power over a given geographic area could be achieved only by a localised ingress of separatist whites. It seems to me that your recommendation can be applicable only in a separatist scenario. The question then arises as to whether there are simpler and more direct methods of discouraging non-whites from ingress, for example by adopting politics antipathetic to Mr Kennedy, and by excluding Mr Celler altogether. There are cultural measures that could be adopted in sympathy with this, for example the outlawing of kosher methods of animal slaughter and the consumption of kosher-slaughtered meat, and the outlawing of male-member mutilation for religious affiliative purposes. Neither of these are remotely acceptable among European peoples. It is only a lack of assertiveness - something never shown by the inventors of chutspah - that holds Europeans back from protesting against them. 96
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 06, 2008, 04:13 PM | # “Concerned White,” sorry but I’ll go with preserving the environment and the race. Uhhh ....... do you have you a Plan-B maybe? .... In the meantime, little by little, sloooowly, sloooooooowly, aaaaaagonizingly, Fjordman is figuring things out. I mean, he does allow himself to use the term “state-sponsored population replacement” now (but don’t look for the word “race” — that might actually tip people off to what’s really going on and that wouldn’t be, ya know, nice.) He may yet arrive, who knows? I’m not holding my breath (frankly I can think of more pleasant ways to die than hypoxemia combined with carbon dioxide narcosis) but ... maybe in time for the next return of Hale-Bopp? (the next perihelion is in 4380 which I’ll gladly wait for if they can guarantee Garth Brooks won’t be around ...) or ... maybe even by the time President Bush figures out how to say “nuclear”? So ... there’s hope ... (as least for the Hale-Bopp scenario there is ...). Anyway, getting back to my original point, Fjordman has his own suggestion concerning “where to go from here”: set up a European Indigenous People’s Movement whose goals would include the six he sets out toward the end of the article (linked herewith, above). The six goals are relevant to this thread and worth a read. No, in the six goals he doesn’t mention “race” but he does say “demography,” he does say “white,” he does say, “indigenous peoples of the European continent,” so clearly he’s hinting at it, leaving the reader to correctly fill in the blanks (which readers of MR.com of course will do with greatest ease). Oh, and I almost forgot — he wants to really nail the bastards who are doing this to us:
You’ll get no argument from me on that, FJ. In fact, if we can nail these bastards on genocide charges I hereby volunteer to be the guy who springs the trap door. And make that on every single god damned one of ‘em. Anyway, nice job, FJ, even if you still don’t dare to say the “R-word”! Hey it takes time, we understand ... (but can you try to speed things up? .... just a little .....) 97
Posted by Concerned white on April 06, 2008, 05:04 PM | # Guessedworker, Those cultural measures would be effective. Not likely to be implemented though. 98
Posted by Concerned white on April 06, 2008, 05:24 PM | # Fred Scrooby, Unfortunately, I don’t have a Plan-B. In my opinion Fjordman is a Jewish tool. 99
Posted by onlooker on April 06, 2008, 06:04 PM | # “Yes, anti environment practises.”—Concerned white I know what I’m about to say is of little value to our predicament, but here goes: I can remember an old friend of mine and his fiance(who are White) moved into an all black neighborhood in Detroit. The rent was cheap. The first week they were there, my friend got into an argument with his ‘wife to be’ and it got so heated he chased her out of the house, in broad daylight down the street. Both were clad only in their underwear. Both were hurling vile obscene insults and throwing objects at each other. It was in mid summer. The neighborhood street was loaded with porch-monkey spectators of all ages. My friends were arrested by the police then released with all the criminal charges dropped. We, to this day, tease them for being the only white couple in history that has ever moved into an all black neighborhood and caused the property values to go down. But that said, no matter how low white behavior sinks, blacks will always want to integrate with us. It’s always an upgrade for them to integrate with whites. 100
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 06, 2008, 08:03 PM | # Just wanted to say, in regard to Haramzada’s bringing up the way a web-site can run the risk of growing stale with time from repetition, losing its freshness so to speak or its “novelty” or “spark”: I agree with him that injecting satire is one way of “keeping the freshness going”; other ways might include 1) offering readership a variety of blogger viewpoints (excluding of course any that advocate the outright opposite of the site’s primary goals) — which MR.com already does a good job of, I feel, and 2) including non-political, non-technical commentary from time to time, as “comic relief” so to speak, or “cultural relief,” and also simply as a reflection of our genuine interests: few people’s interests are limited to politics and technical matters. The site has done that too: GW has published original poetry by Soren, Constantin, and the wife of Prof. Sunic; he’s published commentary on music; and so on. We’ve had lots of “relief from straight politics” here over the years, and it’s been welcomed by the readership I’m sure. On that subject, splitting the home page into two columns the way Inverted World does might be one way of assuring the readership’s satisfaction at every visit by always offering, let’s say, one column on the central political concerns of the site, flanked by a column that “defuses the tension” by dealing with cultural subjects or other lighter matter. How could a home page laid out like that ever go stale? It couldn’t: if you didn’t find the political or technical offering of the day especially riveting or to your taste you’d have the cultural offering to turn to. A cultural offering also, of course, demonstrates to the readership that, well, we’re cultured. We’re not Neanderthals. The other side depicts us as Neanderthals but the fact is we’re not only cultured, we’re genuinely more cultured than the other side! (Compared to us, they’re the Neanderthals! People don’t realize that. We run rings around the lot of them, culture-wise! We leave them completely in the dust.) That in itself is an important thing to get across, together with our straight political message. 101
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 06, 2008, 08:54 PM | # Speaking of The Inverted World, by the way, tonight The Realist has an entry up on something people here have asked about from time to time: What Do You Do When You’re Called a Racist? Both the entry and the comments thread put forth some reasonable strategies. 102
Posted by haramzada on April 07, 2008, 09:05 AM | # 2) including non-political, non-technical commentary from time to time, as “comic relief” so to speak, or “cultural relief,” and also simply as a reflection of our genuine interests .... The site has done that too: GW has published original poetry by Soren, Constantin, and the wife of Prof. Sunic ... Definitely to file under “comic relief”. 104
Posted by Concerned white on April 07, 2008, 10:46 AM | # Endangered Peoples of Europe: Struggles to Survive and Thrive is about indigenous European peoples. http://www.anonym.to/?http://books.google.com/books?id=8p3P1u_xmEEC&dq=isbn:0313310068nd 105
Posted by Nux Gnomica on April 07, 2008, 10:47 AM | #
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/06/immigration.britishidentity 106
Posted by Søren Renner on April 07, 2008, 12:14 PM | # The Rose of Israel: The Mirror of Sociology, Or STFUJ 107
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 07, 2008, 12:51 PM | # Make that chacun, not “chaqu’un” (my long years living in this country are starting to show). 109
Posted by GT on April 07, 2008, 02:33 PM | # Me-tooing pensioners, trust funders, wannabe rich middle-class dividenders, and other easy money fans of easy online racialism, be advised of the following: “Enforcement works!” suggests VDARE’s jew Ed Rubenstein. The household employment survey “shows a curiously mixed job picture” for March: • Total employment fell 24,000 (-0.02 percent) from April “Stay tuned!” cries jew Rubenstein. That’s funny. Neither the establishment nor household jobs survey is designed to identify the legal status of workers. That means Rubenstein is lying when he says, “Enforcement works!” He can’t know. So, when Rubenstein says, “Stay tuned!” what he really means is, “keep sending dollars to support us in our important work.” Shades of online racialism! The growing bust in the easy money real estate bubble –especially in California and Florida – has resulted in falling levels of Hispanic employment in construction and domestic services. Still, “A Great Depression is on its way!” hollers the racialist blightwing. All that’s happening is the big guys are in the process of shifting their investments to safer, more secure industries – like health care and food services. How do I know? Despite the fact that Europids continue to lose increasingly scarce manufacturing jobs to easy-money investments made in third-world manufacturing, domestic non-Hispanic employment rose in March. Once again I’ll remind you that to the easy money types who know what’s going on, this is another recessionary reshuffling of wealth into fewer hands. More Europid burger flippers, security guards, x-ray technicians, and “elder care providers” are needed. The real depression of the modern era was suffered by the American working-class, in piecemeal segments, from 1970-2008. Easy money, easy online racialists haven’t noticed or haven’t cared. As for the rest of you, easy online racialism’s conservative (read as: monetarist) status quo has and will continue playing you for suckers until you wake up. 110
Posted by haramzada on April 07, 2008, 04:35 PM | # Where do you live, Scoob? can I call you Scoob? and did I see you claim to be part Hebrew? You’re a perplexing character. 111
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 07, 2008, 06:20 PM | # To Haramzada — Of course you can call me that. I live in the States. “My long years living in this country” in that comment meant the States, in the sense “an English-speaking country” (it was a lame attempt to wiggle out of that French mistake I made). I’m Catholic. I wasn’t really raised in any religion but had a brief taste of Catholicism in early childhood before being pulled out of it (in childhood) and raised as an atheist. I came back to Catholicism in adulthood after lots of thinking. I have some Jewish blood, otherwise German and Russian. I consider myself a Euro. The ethnicity I identify with after American is German. When I’m in Germany I feel all the way home; when I’m in America I just feel home. I am at this web-site because I oppose what I view as forced race-replacement of Euros. As a couple of my critics here said recently, I’m a one-trick pony, my one trick being that. I have no other trick. I support Salterian Universal Nationalism and I like Norman Lowell’s “regionalism” ideas. 112
Posted by DavidL on April 07, 2008, 07:29 PM | # GT Thanks for this nugget of truth: “The real depression of the modern era was suffered by the American working-class, in piecemeal segments, from 1970-2008.” I offer the following example from my own life experiences concerning the traitorous tendencies of our own kind who help For several years, I was the accountant for a construction company owned by a larger corporation - primarily to meet it’s I think Eric Thomson said it best - if you took all the Jews and put them someplace else ( Madagascar ?) there would We really are our own worst enemy much of the time. 113
Posted by haramzada on April 07, 2008, 08:23 PM | # Thanks for the bio, Scoob. I ask only because I’m a long-time lurker and fan of your commentary. You aren’t exactly a one-trick pony, though you do seem to slip this phrase “race-replacement” in at every opportunity; not that it’s bad, indeed it’s much better than most neologisms bruted about by WNs, if I may generalize for convenience. I particularly enjoy your comments on Woman which shew unerring instinct and considerable stylistic dash. So about the Jewish blood, have you gotten a lot of shit from others for this? Very, very rarely one meets an ethnic or partly ethnic Jew who has escaped Jewish acculturation and, incredibly, even sides against Jewry — the love of my life was one of these, and the type, the fact or possibility of its existence I should say, strikes me as a highly valuable sociological “gap” in what leftists call the dominant metanarrative(s): I mean that society produces so many types in gross, and this one, considering the extreme cohesion of the Jewish ethnos and idea, is correspondingly rare: the possibility of an anti-Semite of Hebrew blood, totally free of Yiddishkeit. I guess it isn’t really that interesting or curious in itself — Jewish populations have been successfully absorbed by a dominant goyish kulchur, and even produced anti-Semites, Torquemada being a famous example — but the rarity is still compelling. Do you speak German though? why do you consider it home — you feel gemütlich there? I’ve had the same experience with another European nation, which I won’t name, but still I find Europe intensely disagreeable. Civis americanus sum. Also, if you don’t mind, about how old are you? 114
Posted by WLindsayWheeler on April 07, 2008, 09:52 PM | # Fred Scrooby, can you please contact me, I need your help in something. My email is wheelerplatsis[at]hotmail.com. 117
Posted by GT on April 08, 2008, 12:04 AM | # Somebody at VNN closely follows Majority Rights. Some of my posts in response to VNN topics dovetailing MR’s are allowed through, others are deleted immediately without so much as a “comment awaiting moderation.” That’s some funny shit. The truth hurts, especially when the term “easy online racialism” is used. Right now VNN is running Paleoconservatism, RIP. I posted the following comment in response: “Paleocons have been dead for years, including that racialist subset of easy money pensioners, house-flippers, trust fund kiddies, and dividenders. They just don’t know it, yet. This does not mean that White nationalist “revolutionaries” of the Rockwell set have come alive. They haven’t and won’t. Rockwell is less important now than he was 45 years ago. You fellows aren’t going to recapture and revitalize the old, dead republic. Pierce and his Turner Diaries fantasies are just that - fantasies. You’re going to set up alternate communities, economies, and participate in local elections in the countryside for the purpose of creating a new nation through secession - or die in bed very disappointed for wasting your lives playing the easy online racialist revolutionary poseur game.” Will they allow it through? Who knows? VNN mods have repeatedly censored many - not all - of my better comments in the past, while allowing the most ridiculously stupid and non-topical comments through. It’s all about the topic under discussion. Take my word for it: The term “easy online racialism” is despised. “Easy money” is despised. “Homo Monetarus” is despised. Yes, the truth hurts. Hey boys, your easy online racialism will become more irrelevant than it presently is. The real action is about community interaction and creativeness on the ground. Hitler would have considered you to be an impediment. Can you dig it? I do! And pssst…don’t tell anybody, but so do a fair amount of others. 118
Posted by GT on April 08, 2008, 12:41 AM | # DavidL, We really are our own worst enemy much of the time. Absolutely. And it not just “mainstream” Europids. “White nationalist” fans of sociobiology and evolutionary psychology fully realize the fact that a subset of Europid, the subgroup I call “Homo Monetarus,” have consistently placed their monetary interests above that of race/ethnicity/religion throughout the history of Western Civilization. They are the only subgroup to have elevated out-Europid groups above the Europid underclasses for “economic” reasons related to property value or faux-moral reasons related to “equality.” This is not discussed by the sociobiology fan club - it is shunned, in fact - because many of them are infected with the very same moral disease: Monetarism. Political ideology - socialism, communism, fascism, liberalism, conservatism, paleoconservatism, White nationalism - is irrelevant. Monetarist opposition to monetarist regimes is nothing more than controlled opposition. Yes, that’s right. White nationalist monetarists are faux opposition. They ain’t legit. Do not hold your breath awaiting confirmation on that point. It’s not going to happen. But you’ll come to see the big picture in time if you continue to think about it. We must work to free ourselves of monetarism to the best of our ability and build genuine opposition on the ground with a program that initially targets the Europid under- and lower middle-classes in the countryside and the starter-home set in select suburban locations. 119
Posted by GT on April 08, 2008, 01:46 AM | # This is not discussed by the sociobiology fan club - it is shunned, in fact - because many of them are infected with the very same moral disease: Monetarism. Elitist fans of sociobiology routinely ignore h. Monetarus’ relatively consistent elevation of out-Europid groups over the Europid underclass throughout the history of Western Civilization. Why? Because it conflicts with the altruistic pose. The altruistic pose is intended to make the elite appear as if they are victims, when the real victims of multiracialism are almost entirely lower middle-class and lower. Altruistic monetarists? You have GOT to be kidding me! These are the guys who preferred Irishmen to niggers for dangerous projects because Irishmen were “quite troublesome, but plentiful.” Nowadays, some of these guys are living in Beverly Hills or north of Santa Monica Blvd. with domestic servants from South America. A few of these elderly gentlemen have posted on MR and VNN because they don’t like niggers. Indian servants are another story, however, but for obvious reasons are not explicitly acknowledged online. That would be an instant destroyer of credibility - wouldn’t it? Yes, “altruistic” monetarists of “White nationalist” persuasion. What a joke! No wonder we’ve gotten nowhere in 50 years. No wonder we are so easily infiltrated and discredited. Ah, but they’re good for sending “dollars to support us in our important work,” aren’t they? Yes, they are - very good, in fact. Here’s another question for the easy online VNNers who are thinking I’m a jew or another “nigger in the woodpile” at this moment. Why hasn’t the enemy shredded White nationalist credibility by making the obvious monetarist connection in the past? Do you honestly believe I am the first to think of it? Bullbiscuits! They want you to keep spinning your monetarist wheels. Monetarist opposition to monetarist regimes is fake opposition. It’s time for a change. 120
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 08, 2008, 01:51 AM | # “you do seem to slip this phrase ‘race-replacement’ in at every opportunity” (—Haramzada) I apologize for that, but that’s what I feel strongest about and will not drop or compromise on. I must sound like a broken record, I know, but from my point of view I have no other reason for being here. “about the Jewish blood, have you gotten a lot of shit from others for this?” Some, and it’s ridiculous because I’m not Jewish. I’m no more Jewish than Guessedworker. Was never raised Jewish at all. I grew up around Jews my whole life because I’m a New Yorker and, for a lot of New Yorkers, that’s the world they’re in: it can be a very Jewish place. Not always, but where and when I grew up it was. “Very, very rarely one meets an ethnic or partly ethnic Jew who has escaped Jewish acculturation” But that’s not me because I’m not Jewish. (You “have the wrong guy,” so to speak. lol) I’m obviously genetically partly Jewish but “ethnically” no, other than what’s no doubt rubbed off on me, growing up around them. “and, incredibly, even sides against Jewry” Although I see what you mean, I wouldn’t describe myself as “siding against Jewry.” Is someone who condemns the mafia “siding against Italians”? I’m probably nit-picking here but I hope you see my point. I like Jews. It’d be great if they’d stop doing the intolerable things they do. Of course they won’t stop, because they can’t, so my view is they and Euros ought to live separately from each other, in different countries. But I like them on the personal level. “Do you speak German?” Not as well as English. “Why do you consider it home?” Here is home too, but there more. I don’t know why. Maybe in the blood or from particular family ties? Maybe U.S. Southerners have a similar thing when they say, “I’m American by birth, and Southern by the Grace of God”: they belong to two places in other words, one stronger. “how old are you?” A little younger than Bill Clinton with far better taste in women. 121
Posted by James Bowery on April 08, 2008, 01:54 AM | # GT, I really think you’re underestimating the difficulty of getting out of the urban areas for people of little means. For many, if not most, of our young men, the best they can hope for in life is to find a good target to take out as a suicide bomber. Seriously. Now, what this means is that it wouldn’t take very much to create a program like the one you describe—because you basically have a population of willing slaves at your disposal—but you really must recognize that is what you are starting with when you speak of “Europid under- and lower middle-classes”. Moreover, starting with that population results in a virulent temptation—- the temptation of the “cheap labor” white nationalists who would have been buying African slaves from Jews for their plantations if they’d been alive 150 years ago. 122
Posted by GT on April 08, 2008, 02:51 AM | # James, Moreover, starting with that population results in a virulent temptation—- the temptation of the “cheap labor” white nationalists who would have been buying African slaves from Jews for their plantations if they’d been alive 150 years ago. You understand my meaning. You are also aware that my message to youngsters is one of leadership, hope, and life - not perpetuating fantasies from the mind of a failed “leader” of a small bookclub or encouraging the certain death and failure brought about by attempts to implement those fantasies. I’ve never considered “cheap labor” white nationalists to be the genuine article, even as I evolved toward this position. Nevertheless, I’ll give it a rest and am done with this thread. In a few days I’ll post a non-confrontational thread about distributism for White nationalists. 123
Posted by haramzada on April 08, 2008, 08:38 AM | # GT,
Both Socrates and Linder routinely delete commentary critical of VNN, Linder, WN as a whole, or somehow threatening to what they believe orthodox opinion. It gets worse, though — for example: a couple months back, Linder was on a heavy anti-Communist kick, constantly pointing to Trotsky and Lenin as the exact inventors of “political correctness”, apparently because some anti-Communist tract he’d read did the same. I pointed out that the term racism was first used pejoratively by Magnus Hirschfeld, not at all affiliated with Communism or any Bolshevik theorist. He balked at first — refused to admit he could be wrong, restated his errors, etc. The next day, someone on VNNF whips up a crude little pieces on “the origin of the term racism”, or some such thing, actually incorporating Hirschfeld into the Trotsky myth, apparently to save face for Linder. This, naturally, immediately found its way onto the mainpage. Yet strangely, a day ago, I think, in a post Linder all but admitted that he’d been wrong by parenthetically referring to Hirschfeld as responsible for the term ‘racism’. I can dig this up, but the lesson is clear: the ideations of VNN are in total bad faith. I joshed him a little for this in a mainpage comment, which was of course swiftly deleted; and now I am IP banned, it would seem. 124
Posted by haramzada on April 08, 2008, 08:45 AM | # Is someone who condemns the mafia “siding against Italians”? Only if they identify the mafia, or any mafia-style group, with all Italians — which would be retarded. Most individual Jews, on the other hand, may be safely identified with their group and ideology without fear that one is overgeneralizing. Maybe in the blood or from particular family ties? Well, if you admit that deutsches Blut can affect one’s sense of belonging, Hebrew blood would be equally if not more likely to as well, no? So let’s go with family ties/preference. I grew up around Jews my whole life because I’m a New Yorker and, for a lot of New Yorkers, that’s the world they’re in: it can be a very Jewish place. Right on, man. I’m a Yank too. 125
Posted by Captainchaos on April 08, 2008, 12:35 PM | # GT, Building separatist communities is great, but what about our current mud occupied territory? Are we just supposed to throw our hands up and let them have it? If we’re ever in a position strong enough to secede it seems to me that the power of the Federal Government will be significantly weeker than it is now. So, if the Fed isn’t strong enough to stop us from seceding why would it necessarily be strong enough to stop us from taking it all back? There is just something that sticks in my craw about letting the monetarists and the jews steal our rightful inheritance. 126
Posted by onlooker on April 08, 2008, 01:50 PM | # If a separatist group of whites acually moved out of the urban areas and formed their own society, the Federal Government would take notice, seize some land right in the middle of it via eminent domain. Then they’d plop a federal prison or some such government bureaucracy there along with ‘Section 8 housing’ to house the non-white government employees. The Feds will never let us escape from the muds. We need to fight the fight right where we currently reside. 127
Posted by GT on April 08, 2008, 02:29 PM | # Haramzada, I can dig this up, but the lesson is clear: the ideations of VNN are in total bad faith. No need to dig it up. I remember reading about the Hirschfield thing. You’re right about the bad faith. And one needn’t take my position on everything to recognize this fact. I joshed him a little for this in a mainpage comment, which was of course swiftly deleted; and now I am IP banned, it would seem. I crawled over Linder and Miller’s ass a few years ago and was IP banned because of it. VNN is Linder’s playground, but the fact remains that his idea of “disruptive” means something more than mere trolling. Criticism of his judgment, motivation, and tactics will get a WN called “kike-a-like” by agent Miller and banned by one of Linder’s acolytes faster than any anti-racist troll. Linder is economically threatened by matters pertaining to judgment and credibility – the economics of easy online racialism is the bottom line for both him and the bookclubbers. —————- Captainchaos, Are we just supposed to throw our hands up and let them have it? Understood. What sticks in my craw is that if we had genuine leaders 50 years ago, “throwing our hands up” would not have been an option anywhere within CONUS. Southern California, southern Arizona, New Mexico, west Texas and Florida could have been saved and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But that didn’t happen. Reality and necessity inform us that Europid sociopolitical movements can’t be built on non-Europid territory. We must build on Europid-dominated territory. If we’re ever in a position strong enough to secede it seems to me that the power of the Federal Government will be significantly weeker than it is now. Or we must be considerably stronger. Getting stronger is the point. Rather than passively await the JOG to grow weaker, I prefer that we proactively position ourselves to grow stronger. With increased strength political consolidation is possible and followed by: a) secession, b) a political settlement, or c) a successful revolution. Strength—> breakout—> consolidation and following consolidation any of the three choices is preferable to what we have now. Without strength, however, nothing is possible and all talk of revolution remains only a monetarist fantasy – one used by JOG to control and monitor the activities of genuine activists, and used by easy online racialist bookclub and cult “leaders” for personal sustenance and enrichment. The threat or implementation of Re-Reconquista always remains a viable option. 128
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 08, 2008, 04:33 PM | # Onlooker’s point of 5:50 is an excellent one:
Exactly right, because none of this is accidental or “happening by itself.” All of it, every bit, is deliberate, aimed at breaking the white race, getting it mulattoized, mestizoized. The un-negrified, un-Mexicanized white race is too cocky, to hard to control. It’s too strong. Too beautiful, too — excites too much envy, envy among the Jews, envy in the breasts of the inferior races. All this envy in turn makes life hard for government bureaucrats. And so on, and so on, and so on — stuff like that. The explicit plan in the halls of power in DC is phasing whites out. That’s so hard to believe, people look at that claim and don’t even pay attention it’s so “way out there.” The fact is nothing about what’s going on is even remotely comprehensible unless that interpretation of the matter is postulated; unless that understanding of the matter is gained. Dumb “forces of nature” don’t methodically chase you down no matter in which way you try to escape, and corner you with the same racial affliction regardless of what evasive action you take or where you try to hide. Only a mind does that, a mind that calculates and is in full pursuit of a conscious goal. These are thinking men and women in DC doing it and doing it in all deliberation with the conscious end in mind of phasing the white race out. That’s what they’re after and if we don’t stand up and put a stop to it, that’s what they’ll get. 129
Posted by onlooker on April 08, 2008, 05:27 PM | # “Onlooker’s point of 5:50 is an excellent one:” Thanks Fred. You’ve adroitly expanded upon it with your in-depth understanding of the situation ... I’m often in awe of your prodigious command of the English language. 130
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 08, 2008, 06:19 PM | # Excellent column by Luke O’Farrell linked by Onlooker. 131
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 08, 2008, 06:32 PM | # How do the Jews control politicians like Blair and Cameron? Simple, they buy them. Oh don’t worry, they get their money back many times over: when you’ve bought the U.K. government by buying the guy who becomes next prime minister there’s no end of ways to get your hooks into stupendous masses of cash. Buying governments is so lucrative for Jews they’d certainly do it completely apart from Jewish nationalist reasons, solely for robber-baron reasons. How come goys aren’t buying pols and governments? 1) Jews have more money to invest at the outset; 2) Jewish nationalism is a big motivation even though it’s equaled or surpassed by the robber-baron motivation, and the Jewish nationalism of the average Jew is a hundred times stronger than the British nationalism of the average Brit (white nationalism of the average white; Euro nationalism of the average Euro, whatever). As can be imagined, that difference translates into a big difference in all sorts of political/social/economic results. 132
Posted by Peter on April 08, 2008, 06:52 PM | # “Too beautiful, too — excites too much envy, envy among the Jews, envy in the breasts of the inferior races”. Fred Scrooby. The beauty of the “White” race doesn’t excite envy in my beasts By the way for my own knowledge i spoke to a few white girls with black “sperm donors” and asked them why they are “with a black guy”. I heard some interesting responses!!! 133
Posted by Count Sudoku on April 08, 2008, 06:54 PM | # About how to respond to “You’re a racist!”. http://westernsurvival.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html Thursday, June 01, 2006 Their Only Weapon A correspondent on Lawrence Auster’s site, commenting on republican Arkansas Governor Huckabee’s feeling that racism is fueling the anti-immigration sentiment, wrote: “All he has to do is stand up there, give one inane comment after another and use the word that puts trembling in the hearts of the American people and shut them down. Racist.” A cartoon I saw recently showed a Mexican-flag-waving illegal snarling at a white man, saying something like “Let me into your prosperous country, you damned racist xenophobe.” It captured perfectly the dynamic involved in the immigration debate: people who have no leverage other than guilt are using it to control us. What are they going to do the day that white people stop running from that word, “racist”? I have begun, among my white friends, to acknowledge that I am a racist. I say, “If by racist, you mean that I think there are actual differences, genetic differences, between racial groups that have real consequences, then yes I am a racist. If you mean that I feel more of an affinity for people of my ethnic group, that I feel more comfortable and at home with them, then yes I am a racist. If you mean I put the interests of my people, my ethnic group, ahead of the interests of others just as I put my family’s interests over others, then yes I am a racist. But if by “racist” you mean someone who believes in genocide or slavery or hatred or oppression of other ethnic groups, then no, I am not a racist.” I sense that many white people have had enough of being bullied with the “racist” label. But there are two ways of handling that accusation. One is to claim that you’re not actually a racist. This is the approach most whites take right now, but it hands all of the power over to the non-white person, who can then act as judge and jury on the evidence to decide whether the white person is a racist or not. The other approach is to say, “yeah, I’m a racist; so what?” There is no answer to that. If you prefer your own people and put their interests ahead of others’ without engaging in hatred or violence, what’s it to them? Perhaps the non-whites and liberals are flinging the “racist” accusation with such vehemence because they sense that the white majority is losing patience. Their one tool, their one way of controlling white people, is losing its efficacy, so they ramp up the volume and the bitterness to try to keep the upper hand. Their worst nightmare is that white people stop flinching at the word because that will be the day that anti-whites (both non-whites and whites who scorn whiteness) lose their only weapon. But while we need to assert that we, like every other healthy people on earth, are indeed “racists”, what we want to avoid this time is letting the pendulum swing back the other way into hatred. We don’t want another Hitler. We don’t want burning crosses. We don’t want oppression and injustice. We just want to assert our right to survive as a distinct people and to separate ourselves physically and politically from those who threaten our safety, prosperity, and unique identity. 134
Posted by Peter on April 08, 2008, 07:07 PM | # Count Sudoku if someone calls you a racist are you actually going to recite all that? “If by racist, you mean that I think there are actual differences, genetic differences, between racial groups that have real consequences, then yes I am a racist. If you mean that I feel more of an affinity for people of my ethnic group, that I feel more comfortable and at home with them, then yes I am a racist. If you mean I put the interests of my people, my ethnic group, ahead of the interests of others just as I put my family’s interests over others, then yes I am a racist. But if by “racist” you mean someone who believes in genocide or slavery or hatred or oppression of other ethnic groups, then no, I am not a racist.” What if i don’t feel the same way about my “race”. I actually feel more comfortable and at home with whites and sometimes i put their interests ahead of others. Am i racist? or just smart lol 135
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 08, 2008, 07:16 PM | #
What were they?
My use of that term there was rhetorical. Don’t worry, I give all individuals and all races their due, where respect and admiration are concerned. 136
Posted by Count Sudoku on April 08, 2008, 07:28 PM | # To Peter, I might not quote that verbatim but I will use words to those effect. There is nothing more ridiculous than watching David Duke claim he is not a racist. Actually there is a lot of things more ridiculous but you get my point. As for the 2nd part of your response, I’m not sure what your trying to say but if you want to change the words around go ahead. No one is going to sue for copyright infrigement. 137
Posted by Peter on April 08, 2008, 09:01 PM | # Darling Count Sudoku (sounds so funny) lol BTW i love playing Sudoku! we should get along famously Let me clarify, I meant to say I am Indian ethnically (but born and raised Arab) not White but because i am gay and very “Westernized” I don’t “identify” with my cultures/backgrounds totally. I am especially alarmed at this increase of Islam in Europe…Being born and raised in a Muslim Arab country i can not stress enough the hatred these people have for the West and everything it stands for. Basically they hate our guts. This “take over” by Islam ties into Race replacement. If these Muslims become the majority then It threatens all of our freedoms and security. I for one am not going to let these Muslims send me back into the closet, Hello no! I have stayed in there for too long. Secondly for my own personal reasons i do not want the “White” race to go extinct/disappear. As a Biologist and believer in evolution i am a big fan of diversity and want all “Human races” to exist. I would similarly be concerned if an animal species’ existence was threatened. I am not a fan of this white and black mixing. I realize that it ends up in the loss of the white phenotype as Black phenotypes are expressed dominantly. I think you can understand that i would feel more comfortable as a gay with White/Western people than Muslims and many other “immigrants”. I am not talking about the Middle East or other areas BUT in the West i give preference to the interests of “whites” rather than Muslims or other “immigrants”. For example i don’t believe Islamic schools should run in the West or Veils be worn by women. Some might call it “racism”. But you know the funny thing is if your not white you hardly encounter this term! (you don’t usually hear lets say Indians calling Somalis racist although it could occur). I have had Arabs, Somalis etc side with me against white bosses and called them racist. Sometimes i sense there is this “mutual againstness” among people who are non white that “white” people are against them. Therefore any kind of discrimination can get labeled as racism. I disagree with that. In Conclusion, I was just using words from your statement and trying to say that i have greater affinity and am more comfortable with “Whites” than most of my own co ethnics. Does that make me “racist”? I hope you understood what i was trying to say? I feel i didn’t explain it too well… With all that said i don’t hate Muslims, Blacks or anyone and don’t want them “harmed”. Fred Scrooby I heard answers to the effect 138
Posted by haramzada on April 08, 2008, 09:12 PM | # I for one am not going to let these Muslims send me back into the closet, Hello no! I’m quite sure they’d drive you thither more to be free of your obnoxious chatter than for your sexual preference — of which you yourself would be the first to inform them. It’s a shame; Indians used to be models of measured English speech. 139
Posted by Count Sudoku on April 08, 2008, 09:22 PM | # Sorry Peter, I didn’t realize you were the gay Indian poster. My comments were addressed for those white people who wanted to know how to deal with accusations of racism. You should stick with your story about how white bio preservation is a worthwhile end in itself and how white civilization is much more “tolerant” of homosexuality than the mud hordes. I have no problem setting aside territory for multiracial societies once white people have secured adequate amounts for themselves. Especially since we will need someplace to ship out all our idiot liberals and mudsharks to. 140
Posted by Peter on April 08, 2008, 09:48 PM | # Ohhhh Haramzada kissi aur ko nahi tang kar sakte? I was trying to add humor into my long post by saying that. Count Sudoku you had to ruin it by using the term “mud hordes” ... I happen to be one of them. Thanks… 141
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 08, 2008, 10:35 PM | #
That’s not your business, Peter, with all respect. People have tastes in people and a man’s tastes are his business. The Jews told you it was your business but the Jews don’t respect you. Don’t lower your dignity. They use you. Your job, like mine and everyone’s, is to do your duty, get on with it, play the hand you’re dealt. In that you and I are equal, not in some false way the Jews whisper into your ear. Desis had dignity. Modernity’s Jews hadn’t yet taught them they needed to know what others thought of their Subcon hides. Don’t fall into Jews’ clutches by worrying about it. Lord knows, you’ve got better things to worry about. If the Jews respected you they’d teach you to respect yourself. But they teach you to whine. You’re a tool, not a person. Here‘s what I think. 142
Posted by Count Sudoku on April 09, 2008, 03:16 AM | # Relax Peter, I really don’t have that much problem with any of the races except for blacks and the jews who push for white genocide. Quite frankly the Indians I deal with are actually on average better behaved than the whites. This is probably only because I don’t deal with all the races of humankind or possibly a reprsentative sample but there it is. Plus reading your entry about mudsharks didn’t put me in a good frame of mind when I wrote that post. 143
Posted by silver on April 09, 2008, 04:19 AM | #
Obviously I’m not the only one who has noticed and even an admirer recently called you “perplexing.” And he’s right, you are. On the other hand, when you keep your replies tight (and sane) and the words begin to flow you can be a pleasure to read. I may not be your cup of tea, but that is simply neither here nor there. I’m not seeking to live among you, so I may as well be a nigger for all the difference that makes. Simply, you will search in vein to find any post of mine since, oh, Novemeber, December last remotely hinting at a desire to “race-replace” you (and much explicity stating otherwise), so you should consider your inability to take our past exchanges as water under the bridge a personal failing—a personal failing that may otherwise not matter save for the fact that if your movement (if that is what it is) fails, it won’t have failed for failure to rail loudly and disagreeably enough. 144
Posted by Guessedworker on April 09, 2008, 06:11 AM | # silver, This criticism of Fred is coming close to bear-baiting, and perhaps even what Prozium-as-Scimitar termed discourse-poisoning. There’s nothing new to say. The disagreement should, as you seem to say yourself, be regarded as belonging to the past. I trust Fred will be sensible enough not to respond to your “response”. 145
Posted by Captainchaos on April 09, 2008, 10:49 AM | # Silver, I live next door to a Bosnian couple, their son has blonde hair and blue eyes. I fail to see in what reasonable sense they or the people of the Balkans could be described as “wogs.” Maybe you should stop dragging that cross around, isn’t it getting heavy? 146
Posted by Stanley on April 09, 2008, 12:14 PM | # ANSWERING THE CHARGE OF “RACIST” This is not difficult. If it is the “shut up” word of the moment, just accuse the person making the charge of being a racist first or immediately on the heels of their accusation. Notice I didn’t say accuse their demographic group of racism, just the person. We conquered a continent, we shouldn’t shrink from using the tools of our opponents on them. Pick up the jawbone of the ass and smite the ass back. It’s funny to see posters here think that a reasoned response to outlandish, “shut up” accusations is helpful. We are engaged in an intense, if low-level, conflict in which the other side has most of the tools. They actually study how to attack verbally at conferences, study sessions, dorm discussions, etc., and develop those clever phrases that are supposed to push us out of the running. They’re doing pretty good at it, too. THE RULES Here are the rules for success in these encounters. 1) Verbally attack from the left. Great issues aren’t debated grandly any more. No one cares what you really think or how you reasoned your way to that conclusion. It’s the accusation of the moment that matters and our opponents have all the effective weapons which we have stolen. 2) Denounce any naming, labeling, defining, and describing of us by any member of another demographic. These four things are strictly forbidden in contemporary PC culture, we just don’t know how to use it. Consider the hissing that arose when a candidate for president (Ross Perot) used the term “you people” in his remarks to the NAACP. There is nothing even remotely insulting or degrading in fact about “you people” expecially because he was invited as an outsider, but note well it was a name or label. By his expression of it, he opened himself to attack. Seriously. Same with “macaca.” We now know that macaca is Hebrew slang for cockroach, and that the presidential candidate (US Senator George Allen) who used it erred as much in claiming the right to name the Indo-American, as in using it. (Allen’s mother was a North African Jewess from a household that frequently, if privately, referred to the domestic help as macacas. That’s where he picked it up.) As hard as it is to believe, we are equally able to use the same argument effectively. We annouce the fact of naming us (anglo, gringo, wasp, honky, hillbilly, goy, shiksa, etc.) as based on the name-caller’s claim to supremacy in naming the Other. It’s a good strategy because you get to accuse your opponent of supremacy thinking on top of illegal naming. Never say “all” the diverse white peoples reject a certain name, because some street-corner white slacker wlil contradict you in ten seconds. 3) Keep the focus on the person issuing the slur. Use the slur as an opportunity to explore the mind of the slurrer. Never claim to be offended…that is for other peoples. We don’t have to sink to that! 4) Use these words to denounce the slurrer: dehumanize (using plant, food, animal, or insect names), divisive (dividing the community), denigrate, smother our diversity (yes we are a diverse people), degrade, and so on. Impute all manner of pathological biases to the slurrer. 5) Have a good time with the jawbone of the ass….it’s biblical, after all. 147
Posted by Nux Gnomica on April 09, 2008, 02:01 PM | # Would the first article, which is sniffy but not a hatchet-job, have been possible five years ago? Or is it just the BBC doing its “public service” bit with nose squeezed shut?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7305635.stm Why the BNP is needed:
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Posted by VLC on April 10, 2008, 11:59 PM | # VNN the website / forum sucks. And the tabloid was embarassingly bad. The only good thing they do is radio shows like Goyfire, the format and the tone are very good. Apparently Linder is trying to get people to come on the forum by encouraging VNNers to put the vnnforum URL on their flyers. What a bad idea. Forums are a downward spiral, people get sucked in, spend way too much time on them and nothing happens. I told him he should organize a mass distribution of DVD copies of Byron Jost’s movie or mp3 CDs of Goyfire but he doesn’t seem to care about that. 149
Posted by VLC on April 11, 2008, 12:02 AM | # you guys should take a look at a high quality and popular blog of the white resistance (avg of 6 thousands readers daily right now, there’s a counter on the right) in french it’s called Fdesouche.com (for ‘Français de souche’ which could be translated as ‘Frenchmen of native blood’) this is the web standard serious WN websites should aim for. It’s mostly news but they have had topics on starting schools outside the system and stuff like that. This isn’t the BrusselsJournal and its culture-not-race BS, it’s clean, young, cool and White. And it uses a lot of video and audio clips
It’s one of the reason forums aren’t what we should invest time into, blogs like MR and FDS are worth putting work into because they can be energetic and catchy unlike forums which are a bit like marshes, you can find good stuff on forums but it’s takes time. Their readership is limited due to the format and I doubt newcomers keep on coming back on forums. Well made blogs have what it takes to draw people away from the mainstream lies printing machines. Next entry: Sperm and egg donor registries. Previous entry: American Secessionist Convention |
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Posted by Guessedworker on April 02, 2008, 07:35 PM | #
Four questions:-
So, is the average man the target of revolutionary discourse?
Even if it is possible, what value is there in awakening the common man when there is no effective leadership in place, and no political programme?
How do we frame a discourse that could appeal to a prospective leadership class?
What qualities would characterise such a discourse?