Thought Control Comes to Google

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 23, 2005, 11:46 PM | #

I’ve actually begun switching away from Google toward Yahoo.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 24, 2005, 12:41 AM | #

Here

‘s a description of a certain category of college students but it could as well be a description of John Ray—it’s absolutely a dead-ringer for him:

”[They take] much longer to face the facts. It isn’t always easy for people to abandon an entire worldview, especially to exchange it for one that is much grimmer. [...] It is harder still to convince [Young Republicans] that many of the leaders, magazines, newspapers, and organizations that they grew up admiring are really the enemies of all they hold dear.  The plain fact is that some people simply do not want to believe. Despite the evidence around them, they do not want to admit to themselves that they are losing their country, that it is becoming a land of barbed wire fences and bodyguards, a Blade Runner world where a few fabulously wealthy people live in luxury while the great mass of the population live in desperation.  They simply prefer to believe the fairy tales about how immigrants will assimilate and how we will all some how ‘get along.’  Sometimes an ugly truth is no match for a beautiful lie.”

Yes that was off topic but I thought I’d throw it into the thread nevertheless, because the resemblance to John was just too uncanny.  I’ve decided to take off the kid gloves, you see, John:  no more Mr. Nice Guy where you’re concerned.

Posted by John Ray on August 24, 2005, 04:15 AM | #

You put those kid gloves right back on, Fred!

Posted by Steve Edwards on August 24, 2005, 09:23 AM | #

The problem, Fred, is that John not only loves Brazil, he also wishes to bring about a Blade Runner style existence for the vast majority of people. He wishes to create a monstrous dystopia for the heck of it!

Posted by Lurker on August 24, 2005, 09:48 AM | #

John is right to warn about the spectre of google & blogger censorship. Perhaps we should rate every blog we visit as objectionable, soon their rating system would fall apart.

Posted by Stuka on August 24, 2005, 10:06 AM | #

John: I am sure that any Leftist visiting my blog would flag it as “objectionable”.

Actually, as much as I admire your persistence in portraying yourself as a conservative, I think any Leftist visiting your blog would flag it as “completely harmless”. 

Posted by JRM on August 24, 2005, 10:42 AM | #

John Ray,
You have a number of blogs.  Which one do you want to sacrifice to test your hypothesis that Blogspot and Google will censor blogs?  Suppose you write a post that encourages your readers to flag that particular blog.  If they censor, after awhile, your blog gets booted.  Then you make a big stink that Blogspot and Google practices censorship because they dislike a particular point of view.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 12:10 PM | #

Fred, I read that last night.  Inspiring, isn’t it?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 24, 2005, 12:38 PM | #

“Fred, I read that last night.  Inspiring, isn’t it?”  (—Svigor)

Svigor yes, that

by college student Kevin Carter was extremely well done, a very effective and powerful piece.  The scales fell from my own eyes in October, 2000, when I first read Steve Sailer’s site.  Before that I was confused, in a mental blur where these MR.com-type subjects were concerned, including race-replacement immigration—I knew something was wrong—very wrong even, but I sort of put it out of my mind with assurances to myself that the people running things knew what they were doing.  Turns out, of course, they haven’t a clue as to what they’re doing (and a portion of the small number who actually do know what they’re doing are deliberately, maliciously steering things in a harmful direction).  Now the scales have fallen from Kevin Carter’s eyes and from and his friends’ eyes, and without any doubt his piece will, in turn, make the scales fall from the eyes of many others as the thing has its own snowballing effect, growing ever larger.  We’re going to prevail in this thing.  Just as Soviet communism suddenly fell in 1989, this deliberate race-replacement régime we’re being subjected to will fall:  it’s as certain as that the sun will rise tomorrow.  Its days are numbered.

Posted by ummjack on August 24, 2005, 02:23 PM | #

I asked a Google employee.

Me: what is this?
Me: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1342/

He: It’s in response to the fact that about 50% of the blogs on blogger.com are actually accounts created by spammers to advertise pr0n sites

Me: aha

He; It’s not different than complaining to LJ about a rude individual. It’s just more automated.

Me: not part of the NWO illuminati thought control conspiracy then?

He: no

Me: darn
Me: it would be kinda cool if that’s who you were working for
Me: kinda evil
Me: but kinda cool

Posted by Guessedworker on August 24, 2005, 05:09 PM | #

Nice work.  “He” is only right, of course, if the scope is restricted to readers self-reporting their offence at the aforesaid porn.  Any slippage from that high ideal and it’s another matter entirely.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 06:34 PM | #

but I sort of put it out of my mind with assurances to myself that the people running things knew what they were doing.

Exercising that irrational-but-ingrained-from-birth demon is the doorknob to the rabbit hole.  I remember the day I first internalized - internalized mind you, not understood - that the people running the teevee have interests that are different, wholly distinct, even contrary to my own.  Chills ran down my spine.  It was like my soul was recognizing the fact; my mind had always known it.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 06:36 PM | #

Now the scales have fallen from Kevin Carter’s eyes and from and his friends’ eyes, and without any doubt his piece will, in turn, make the scales fall from the eyes of many others as the thing has its own snowballing effect, growing ever larger.  We’re going to prevail in this thing.  Just as Soviet communism suddenly fell in 1989, this deliberate race-replacement régime we’re being subjected to will fall:  it’s as certain as that the sun will rise tomorrow.  Its days are numbered.

I wholly concur.  When the elites lost control of the dissemination of information they lost control in general.  Right now the thing is flying on autopilot.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 06:40 PM | #

The active ingredient there, of course, is the fact that the WN (whatever) door swings only one way.  I think it was you (maybe it was GW) who put it aptly in another thread, about how no one in his right mind ever goes back once he’s been awakened.  Inactive?  Okay.  Despairing?  Maybe.  Go back?  Not a chance in hell.

Posted by john rackell on August 24, 2005, 06:57 PM | #

Of interest, left wing critics savaged Google News, for posting BNP press reports as news items. Google defended itself by saying press releases are newsworthy and are explicitly noted as press releases on its news site.

The BNP on the issue http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/docdiary2.php?docId=2

Marxist journalists POV:

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“I think it’s disgraceful to say that this is a legitimate site to link to,” said Jenny Lennox, online organiser for the National Union of Journalists.

“They have a right to put out press releases, but they are not a news agency.”

“Within two links you can be on pages that give their [the BNP’s] distorted history of the British Isles,” Ms Lennox told dotJournalism.

http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story1132.shtml

As an example of what journalist’s like Ms Lennox don’t want to report:

“The day that the verdict of this racist killing of a white child [Kriss Donald] by a gang of adult Asians was announced in court the whole of the British media did not cover the story at all. Yet the very same day the 17th November 2004 the media coverage of the Zahed Mubarek Inquiry was at total media saturation point. It seems that for the media the racist murder of a young Asian lad at the hand of white psychopath is newsworthy but the racist murder of a 15 year old white child by a gang of Asians is meaningless. Although there was headline coverage in Scottish newspapers such as “The Scotsman” and “Daily Record”, not a single English daily paper covered the story.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=34

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I don’t know if Google’s response was their last word - I thought I’d read they’d backed down a bit but couldn’t track anything down to that effect.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 08:00 PM | #

They’ll buckle eventually, or they’ll be bought out so someone else can do the buckling for them.

Posted by ummjack on August 24, 2005, 08:53 PM | #

Bought out?  GOOGLE?  Google is valued at a billion dollars.  Maybe the Sultan of Brunei could buy the cafeteria.

Posted by ummjack on August 24, 2005, 09:02 PM | #

Sorry, that was supposed to read a bajillion because I have no idea what the actual value of the company, due to math being hard for girls.  More to the point, Google is run by people who really have no other desires in life but to create fantastically successful methods of making the most amount of information available to the largest numbers of people.  The money is just icing.  They live for what they do.  they ARE what they do.  Trying to get them to stop would have to be more like the dissolution of the monasteries than a corporate takeover.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 09:42 PM | #

Aren’t the founders a couple of Jews?  In any event, the money they’ve made by selling stock comes at a cost of loss of control.  All it takes is a vote…

They certainly haven’t maintained their supposedly high-minded dedication to freedom of information without a good bit of squirming.  Remember the jewwatch flap?

Posted by john rackell on August 24, 2005, 10:01 PM | #

Yes, why should we assume Google will use their power responsibly just because they’re ‘nice’ people.

If you want alternatives: check out this meta/watchdog site on search engines:

http://searchenginewatch.com

and here for a very extensive list of search engines: specialist, general, foreign etc.

http://searchenginewatch.com/links/

I’ve had good luck with http://www.teoma.com

Posted by ummjack on August 24, 2005, 11:40 PM | #

Responsible?  Nice?  I made no such claims.  All they are interested in is what I have described.  They are what they are.  You are as free to use the services they provide to propagate your memes as any other literate person with internet access. 

The opinion that people in that industry tend to have of this site - and this site specifically, not just sites like this - is that it’s a mixture of good analysis and high comedy.  You don’t scare them.  Any intelligent person seeks to discover what is hidden by the taboos of his culture.  Any intelligent person in our culture is perfectly aware of the racial taboos inculcated in the young and scrupulously observed in the public discourse.  Many people read you who agree neither with the nonsense that is produced under racial taboo nor with the political positions advocated here.  These are people who are passionately devoted to the free flow of information.  Again, not nice, not responsible - they are a kind of fanatic.  But they have no interest in censorship.

Posted by Svigor on August 24, 2005, 11:58 PM | #

All they are interested in is what I have described.

That’s a load of tripe.

Posted by john rackell on August 25, 2005, 12:39 AM | #

Responsible?  Nice?  I made no such claims. Whether you claimed that or not, the business press has given them a certain halo as the anti-microsoft and their own rags to riches story and their selfless dedication to search - which is probably true, OTH they did fire that guy for blogging that the Google amenities exist to keep you chained to your desk - a bit heavy handed but their right, I suppose - but your Google boosterism “passionately devoted to the free flow of information” is very much of this public relations meme. I don’t doubt that the engineers embody this, but they are a public corporation with what, $700 bn quarterly revenues - they exist for their shareholders - management knows this even if the engineers don’t.

But when did the heuristic “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely” lose its validity. Google’s power is staggering. Malicious groups - the taboo enforcers - understand this and they understand that Google is the gateway to the entire web, practically speaking. The power of the web is its decentralization and diffuseness - control the access points to the web and you control the web. The decentralization exists on blogs but not at the level of search. There’s an inherent danger. The left knows this weakness - the journalists complaining about google news providing info on the BNP understand this. Why be satisfied with this much concentration of power? We shouldn’t and there are alternatives and we would be wise to use them. Decentralizing search is beneficial to us, especially us, and broadcasting competing alternatives and using them is beneficial.

You don’t scare them. 
I’m pretty scary, really. They can go through some of my recent searches - I’ve done some scary search strings.

Be that as it may, they scare the stuffing out of me, even though my homepage is google. The dossier they have on each of us must be immense: everything from searches of Kevin MacDonald to hemorrhoid treatments (well, not me, just an example). Good for a subpoena or two for any ambitious prosecutor - not the heamorrhoids but the maybe the shaped charge explosive ones - just kidding Mr Mueller.

Posted by Andrew L on August 25, 2005, 02:26 AM | #

OOOooo well, when the U N takes control of the Internet we will not have to care about Google.                    But to control the thought, you must be able to have such a thought before you can control it,or it is theological?  I think, I did I just thought it up, Yep, Thought control, a Thoughtless Idea, Shakspear look out.Nano bots on the way.Think about that Google. not much thought there to control, I’m Safe

Posted by jonjayray on August 25, 2005, 07:13 AM | #

Well since Fred has not put his kid gloves back on I have a fightback for him:

Fred Scrooby is a Hungarian!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 25, 2005, 08:16 AM | #

That’s hitting below the belt, John.  You really know how to hurt a guy, don’t you ... All right, all right—the gloves go back on—but just watch what you say from here on, or they come right back off again ...

Posted by the mollusk on August 25, 2005, 12:04 PM | #

a mixture of good analysis and high comedy

A very good description of this site.

Many people read you who agree neither with the nonsense that is produced under racial taboo nor with the political positions advocated here.

Amen to that too.

Posted by Svigor on August 25, 2005, 02:48 PM | #

Yet you’ve nothing to contribute.  What can we take away from that, I wonder?

Posted by ummjack on August 26, 2005, 05:51 PM | #

when the U N takes control of the Internet we will not have to care about Google.

Now THIS will be the barbarians sacking Rome.  The UN *cannot* “take over the internet.”  The internet is a set of interlinking technologies that only certain people are capable of controlling.  And oddly enough, those people are overwhelmingly white Americans.  The interesting question is whether their facility with bits owes more to culture, more to genetics, or more to some peculiar combination.

The man with whom I had the discussion above was previously working at a Silicon Valley company that had close ties to a Japanese corporation.  Some salarymen were posted to keep an eye on them.  The salarymen clearly communicated their disdain for the typical Silicon Valley office culture of long talky lunches, breaks for video games, beer and practical jokes.  But, as even I, a complete technological ignoramus, is aware, it is the slack, informal, thoroughly American (and despite intense recruiting efforts still very white) culture of Silicon Valley that is producing new technology.  Asian discipline, Asian collectivism isn’t, and the anti-cultural collectivism of the UN can’t.  Anyone who can is recruited by the high tech companies and gets rich.

Posted by ummjack on August 26, 2005, 05:56 PM | #

And my “Google boosterism” is no such thing.  A good case can be made easily against the free flow of information being a positive good.  If you read that as being in praise instead of being merely descriptive, it is more relevatory of your values than mine.