Two letters about IQ published in Britain’s “Times Higher Educational Supplement” on April 7.

Posted by Matt O'Halloran on April 07, 2006, 06:45 AM | #

What a pity that upholding scientific fact is always left to the same few ‘maudit’ or emeritus names, while those in dread of defunding keep their heads down. Where, for instance, is Robert Plomin of the Institute of Psychiatry, London, in this brouhaha? Why aren’t profs from the world’s leading twin-studies research centre, Minnesota—not even retired luminary David Lykken—pitching in?

And why (with the honourable exception of Mr Guessedworker himself) aren’t you lot helping me out against the pubertarians of Samizdata.net and the lefty warlords of Harry’s Place, instead of arguing about the definition of redneck and suchlike in your grumbly clique?

A site such as Majority Rights should be a base from which we sally forth to assault the enemies of truth, not a fortress where we lurk like the Yanks in their Iraqi hideaways.

Posted by Lurker on April 07, 2006, 07:22 AM | #

Whats telling is that the big guns Matt mentions havnt weighed in against Ellis.

Posted by Matt O'Halloran on April 07, 2006, 10:53 AM | #

Well I’ve been banned and unbanned and roundly abused, Mr Scrooby, and it doesn’t hurt, so come on, get stuck in! Confining yourself to fuming and sighing on sites such as this is like peeing down the inside of your trouser leg. It gives you a nice warm feeling but no-one else knows you’re doing it.

But I know from lots of private messages from lurkers, and the occasional recruit who sticks his head over the parapet on the comments boxes I mentioned, that race realism can and does get through to some of the unconverted if we keep at it. Talking amongst yourselves doesn’t spread the word.

Posted by Voice on April 07, 2006, 11:39 AM | #

Matt

Another idea to spread the word would be to build a powerpoint presentation(scripted) laying out the case for the preservation of the people and ideas that have built our Western way of life.

IMO, this would reach far more people than yelling at a few intellectual “believers” on different blogs.  I am not saying it doesn’t help, but we need to maintain this as a fortress and look for new ways to get our message out to the masses.

A powerpoint presentation that wakes the unawakened average white person to the complete message would be powerful and read and emailed by the millions.  The average person doesn’t read blogs or pick up “Death of the West” or read Rushton, Taylor,Jensen and Lynn but they have email and understand arguments if laid out in layman terms.

Could you imagine if the Average Joe was able to see basic arguments of behavioural and IQ differences, see what is happening to white living space worldwide, see the outcome of lack of living space through the devastation of South Africa/Zimbabwe/American inner cities in pictures, understand the crime rate differences in how it effects their wives/daugthers/sons/husbands, and then apply it to their lives today and how the descendants will experience life in this future world?

This powerpoint presentation, as I mentioned, would be scripted so it could be read verbatim again, again and again to millions of people!

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 02:52 PM | #

Well, now that MR is back from the haywire…

Voice has it right.  We need to create a distillation of the argument and present it online.  Then we can restrict ourselves to polishing the wheel, rather than constantly reinventing it.  I’ve been in countless arguments over this stuff and a pattern definitely emerged.

This way we won’t lose an hour like I did yesterday because some leftist asshole can’t stand criticism, but rather a few seconds after posting a link.

I don’t care if it’s PP or Flash or HTML, but it should present all the standard arguments and counter-arguments and refutations.

I’m game; in fact the prospect has excited me for a long time now.  I think it’ll work best as a collaboration.

Voice?

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 02:59 PM | #

Perhaps a series would be best.  This is a broad subject.

IQ & Race should be it’s own presentation, I think, a basic primer for Joe & Sally with links and citations for further reading.

Maybe it should be preceded by a primer on general HBD.

Then maybe a primer on SIT and Sociobiology, then one on the political ramifications of all the preceding, then one on EGI, then finally one on WNism (or whatever we decide to call it; I still like Nationism).

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 03:00 PM | #

Whoops, I meant to put the one on EGI before the one on ramifications, but you get the idea.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 03:03 PM | #

Oh, and this too:

Could you imagine if the Average Joe was able to see ... what is happening to white living space worldwide, see the outcome of lack of living space through the devastation of South Africa/Zimbabwe/American inner cities in pictures, understand the crime rate differences in how it effects their wives/daugthers/sons/husbands, and then apply it to their lives today and how the descendants will experience life in this future world?

which means primers on crime/behavior and race-relations too.

Posted by Voice on April 07, 2006, 04:27 PM | #

Svigor

I am game for this…as you said we keep repeating and positioning the same argument again and again.

I think we need to build an outline first on how the presentation should lay out…then we need to build it and keep refining it..

It needs to be so good that Average Joe can fully understand it without much effort, but able to be referenced so our enemies can research to their hearts content our position which will be morally just and unarguable.

Just thinking out loud here, but we should have a section on language to protect our people from the evil that is weaved from words like multiculturalism, racism, diversity, civil rights(only for non-whites), affirmative action and introduce new terms like those that have been created here—parisitism is my favorite…

Once is understood, the presentation could offer leadership opportunities to begin to solve long term goals..which the biggest one for me is the alternate economy model which begins to allow racially conscious whites to buy commodity type products from organizations that give proceeds to political groups that ensure our survival.  Obvious products that fit this mold are telecommunication services-voip(voice over IP) and vonage model in particular.  This is so simple to do it is unbelievable..

Ironically, I have always said that the Chinese at .10 cents an hour can set the racially conscious white free.  Corporates today are just marketing organizations that can be competed with immediately as long as a company has a captive market.  Think about that one for a while.  “Occidental” labelled products made in China to the benefit of our people with the heavy lifting innovation still done by us!

I digress, any ideas how we get the collaboration started?

Posted by Salopian on April 07, 2006, 04:52 PM | #

“Matt O’Halloran” said

But I know from lots of private messages from lurkers, and the occasional recruit who sticks his head over the parapet on the comments boxes I mentioned, that race realism can and does get through to some of the unconverted if we keep at it. Talking amongst yourselves doesn’t spread the word.

William…ermmm.. I mean Matt has it half right. Both front-line evangelism and cliques such as here serve their purposes, the former to foment ideas and then latter to cement them, and witness really interesting debate between like-minded people.

I remember when I was really shown the light by someone or other called “Caudillo” on the Guardian Talkboards, and moved on from my immature half-hearted Peter Cuthbertson style “conservative” former self. Then again, I was ready to beleive the stuff on low IQ high testorene negroids etc. from life experience, and remember as a 15yr old when the BNP won in Tower Hamlets that they weren’t perhaps the bad guys the media painted them.  So I was ripe for the picking. The stuff on God’s chosen tribe however, was a *real* eye-opener.

Problem is, not all of us are well-read and articulate as the Caudillo’s of this world, or as able to put our words as sharp and succintly. I argued the case for race-realism at GUT for a while after Senor Caudillos banning, and in a way held my own, but without his knowledge and ability it all descends into the bar-room, plus the temptation to troll is too great. I try the odd comment in various (usually) non-political boards, who knows if I have any success? Even I can beat outer-party drones at debate, but at the emotive level of the playground which 90% of the populace see the world, does anyone notice?

It’s a shame ConservativeCommentary is now defunct. Whilst baiting lefties at Harry’s Place may be fun, the seed is being scattered on stony ground. A lot of “respectable conservatives” are ripe for the picking, and PC - to his credit - rarely deleted and rarely banned William and Guessedworker.

Posted by Salopian on April 07, 2006, 05:03 PM | #

Sorry to double-post, but an analogy might be this: It is all very good going out in the street evangelising, but your dusty old C-of-E is still there as a visible witness of fellowship. People can have faith, but it is nice to be in the company of like-minded souls, even if they are somewhat lacking in dynanism. And rather like those who make their way to St Stephen’s for weddings and baptisms, people will turn up here, as the traffic shows.

I have a feeling that despite the Mick name Mr O’Halloran is a fellow Anglican, I’m sure he understands this sentiment

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 07:06 PM | #

I digress, any ideas how we get the collaboration started?

Sure, how about via Wiki?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki
We can outline things there and discuss media (PP, HTML, FLASH, etc.) too.

Just thinking out loud here, but we should have a section on language to protect our people from the evil that is weaved from words like multiculturalism, racism, diversity, civil rights(only for non-whites), affirmative action and introduce new terms like those that have been created here—parisitism is my favorite…

...a lexicon.  Good idea.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 07:09 PM | #

Sorry, wrong link, here’s the WN Wiki (I’ve corresponded with the admin and she’s game for whatever we want to do):

http://www.whitenationalism.info/index.php/Main_Page

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 07, 2006, 07:27 PM | #

Note, from where I’m sitting the create account page is broken (in FF and IE), I’m going to contact the admin and see what’s up.

Posted by Voice on April 07, 2006, 08:09 PM | #

Svigor

the WN site has a tremendous amount of source material. 
Whatever you think works best for a collaborative effort.  The end game should be something that can be in presentation format, preferably able to be emailed and presented with scripting.

I hope some of the big hitters on MR will help too!

Posted by jonjayray on April 07, 2006, 08:50 PM | #

If anybody wants a blog devoted enirely to IQ news and discussion, just offer to help and I will start one

Posted by john on April 07, 2006, 10:53 PM | #

Flash might be useful. Keep it simple. The “Beer Is Good” flash would be a good intro level for race realism. I just watched an
‘Intro To Ebonics” which was good. Actually they’re all good. The music to F—- Me Softly was nice.
In the Funny Flash section of:http://blog.starterupsteve.com/

Also check out the angry Freak section

Posted by Guessedworker on April 08, 2006, 08:56 AM | #

Matt,

Harry’s Place is very kosher, albeit cryptoid.  I don’t feel it is worth conducting a campaign of education in such an environment.  Samizdata is bad enough.  But HP is just impossible.

Posted by john on April 08, 2006, 10:06 AM | #

Here,s a short flash about Kosher Kracker Killers
http://www.illwillpress.com/

Posted by Matt O'Halloran on April 08, 2006, 11:50 AM | #

Guessedworker—I can’t agree. I have been more tolerated at Harry’s Place than at the court of Castelganperrio. They even let me run a scheme for compensated voluntary repatriation of Islamists last month, and there has lately been a thread about US immigration with a good deal of back-and-forth.

HP is very Jewish but far from monolithic, and it has a saving sense of humour utterly lacking among the pubertarians (adolescence is a time for taking yourself deadly seriously, after all;-)). Being Jews, the HP-ers are more nervous of Arabs than the Transhumanist twits are, and this is our wedge.

Posted by Andy on April 08, 2006, 06:38 PM | #

Well, now that MR is back from the haywire…

Voice has it right.  We need to create a distillation of the argument and present it online.  Then we can restrict ourselves to polishing the wheel, rather than constantly reinventing it.  I’ve been in countless arguments over this stuff and a pattern definitely emerged.

This way we won’t lose an hour like I did yesterday because some leftist asshole can’t stand criticism, but rather a few seconds after posting a link.

I don’t care if it’s PP or Flash or HTML, but it should present all the standard arguments and counter-arguments and refutations.

I’m game; in fact the prospect has excited me for a long time now.  I think it’ll work best as a collaboration.

Voice?

This is a fantastic idea.  I would enjoy assisting in any way possible.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on April 08, 2006, 10:57 PM | #

Andy, I’m waiting for Pixi (the Wiki’s admin) to get back to me about the logins.  Turns out a couple of vandals went nuts on her site and she responded by making registration invite-only.  Once we have accounts we can start hacking something out.

Posted by john on April 09, 2006, 06:28 AM | #

Third row on the left for the racist squirrel:
http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html

It would benice to see C of C put to flash.

Posted by Hanif LeYLabi on April 09, 2006, 07:59 AM | #

My name is Hanif Leylabi, not Hanif Lebabi for starters.

I doubt very much Ms. Pinter has read the unedited version of the original interview or the right of reply article given by Ellis.

I doubt she understands that our campaign goes way beyond Ellis’ comments on IQ tests.

I doubt she has ever been on our campus to guage the reaction of ordinary studens.

So really she is in no position to comment.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 09, 2006, 09:07 AM | #

The reaction of ordinary students is not a free reaction, Hanif.  Nothing in Marxism is free - not thought, not speech, not conscience, not association.  If my people were free you would be on a campus in Pakistan, not Leeds.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 09, 2006, 10:30 AM | #

Only one thing, Fred, and it isn’t a campaign aim.  L’il Hanif is pursuing his own ethnic genetic interests through damaging the EGI of his hosts.  Let him deliver an end of the racial specificity of his own Pakistani people before he demands it of the English.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 09, 2006, 10:30 AM | #

I would add that he is a true racist and a hypocite, because he will not do that.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 09, 2006, 11:30 AM | #

And one more thing.  Hanif doesn’t even know - or care - what Fascism is.  He doesn’t care that it is actually a well-established, properly constituted Italian political movement of a non-Marxist, leftist nature, with its own elected representatives.  If he wants to unite against it -though God knows with whom - he has to go to Italy to do it.

Of course, he doesn’t use the term in any sense revealing of intellectual content.  He probably doesn’t have a clue about the intellectual content of Fascism.  He just uses the word for the purpose of political swearing, for blackening the reputations of people who speak for English interests.  If he was true to Islam instead of being an apostate, he could just as easily bellow “homosexual” or “kufuh”.  Perhaps one day, when there are enough lil’ Hanifs in England, he will.

Posted by allotmentkeeper on April 09, 2006, 11:54 AM | #

Hanif Leylabi is half Iranian, half English.

Posted by Amalek on April 09, 2006, 12:06 PM | #

Fascism’s death warrant was signed in 1943, when a sovereign dismissed his legitimately appointed dictator (term of Italian origin denoting temporary leader in a crisis) and the dictator meekly stepped down.

Another triumph for constitutional monarchy… which the Italians rewarded in typical ingrate fashion by banishing the King’s family for decades and embarking on the most chaotic and corrupt form of republican governance any major European nation has endured since the 19th century—laced with the organised racketeering which the Fascist ruler had mastered like no Italian leader before or since.

Posted by allotmentkeeper on April 09, 2006, 12:16 PM | #

Guessedworker:

L’il Hanif is pursuing his own ethnic genetic interests through damaging the EGI of his hosts.  Let him deliver an end of the racial specificity of his own Pakistani people before he demands it of the English.

Pretty damn spot-on, except Irani not Pakistani. Take a look here to see how Hanif views the Iranian nation and the rights of the Arab minority. He posts as Person on that forum.

It will only ever grow…

As for the Arabs they can piss off. They migrated to Khuzestan, very few are indigenous. There are also tens of thousands of Arab refugees in that area as well as tens of thousands of Iraqi Kurds in Iranian Kordestan province.

It would seem staggering double standard to most neutral observers, I’m pleased you could all see it coming.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 09, 2006, 12:29 PM | #

Allotmentkeeper,

Thanks for the correction.  A personal sadness, then.  Not half this and half that, but neither one nor the other.  His ethnic genetic interest, however, is NOT half-English.  The interest of mixed races lies with more mixed races ... with panmixia over the continuity of the host.

His organisation evinces every sign of the old violent-demo left.  They are haters and self-haters who project their hatred onto third parties and then, in the manner of a true psychopath, feel justified in shouting down and generally delegitimising that party’s views.  In a democracy we allow the electorate to hear all arguments and judge for themselves.  But that isn’t the UAF’s way.  They are racial Marxists and anti-democrats.

Amalek, I have actually met a real live Fascist who would be surprised to learn that his Party died in 1943.

Posted by allotmentkeeper on April 09, 2006, 12:45 PM | #

Yup, Fred, it is he.

link

Posted by Steve Edwards on April 09, 2006, 01:35 PM | #

Isi Leibler is Israeli, not Iranian.

Posted by Steve Edwards on April 09, 2006, 02:12 PM | #

“Isn’t Leibler an Australian, by the way?”

I think his passport used to say as much, for what it’s worth.

Posted by Al Ross on April 09, 2006, 08:00 PM | #

“Hanif Leylabi is half Iranian, half English”.

  Because there are too many White women who marry non-Whites, the immigration laws should be changed to the effect that only male British citizens’ non-White spouses be granted UK right of abode and even then, not permanently, but renewable annually for the duration of the marriage.White women who wish to ‘marry out’ can therefore enjoy the full cultural diversity of living in Pakistan or Bangladesh whilst observing the time-honoured Muslim tradition of ‘following her husband’.

Posted by Al Ross on April 09, 2006, 11:13 PM | #

Thank you Fred.

  My views on this subject place me in Tory Leader David Cameron’s ‘loony, fruitcake and closet-racist’ group. Cameron is, however, quite wrong about the ‘closet-racist’ part.

Posted by Alex Zeka on April 10, 2006, 10:58 AM | #

Fascism’s death warrant was signed in 1943, when a sovereign dismissed his legitimately appointed dictator (term of Italian origin denoting temporary leader in a crisis) and the dictator meekly stepped down.

Amalek, Mussolini’s appointment, having lasted over 2 decades, wasn’t precisely temporary. The King should have given the then PM (rightly elected, according to Italian constitutional law) Facta emergency powers as he requested, if he wanted a dictator in the ancient sense of the word. Instead, he gave power to an ex-Socialist hothead with no experience of gov’t whatsoever! In Ancient Rome, a dictator was an experienced conventional politican temporarely serving as sole consul for several years to ensure unity during a crisis. In what ways does that describe Mussolini?

The death blow to Fascism was delivered not by the hapless Immanuel (who couldn’t deliver the death blow to a bunch of demoralised trade union anarchists) but by Mussolini turning it into an egalitarian, race-blind, socialism-inspired totalitarianism.

Posted by Amalek on April 10, 2006, 01:20 PM | #

The dictator’s length of service is immaterial. Mussolini’s office was to the King’s disposal throughout. He could have been got rid of at any time had he failed.

Fascism was not ‘turned into’ anything by Mussolini: it was his invention, and he cannily refused even to define it for years, besides emphasising wherever possible that it was a purely Italian solution to the challenge of rising Bolshevism and the decay of the corrupt 19th century liberal elitist politics of the emerging Italian nation, and was ‘not an export article’.

It was not a totalitarian ideology; its ‘egalitarianism’ evidently escaped the industrialists who financed it; and it was ‘race-blind’ only in using a national rather than an ethnic definition of Italianness—Mussolini was a considerable sceptic of race theory as promulgated in Germany. Certainly fascism had its socialistic aspects; that was where Benito was coming from, after all. But it remained from first to last what Guy Crouchback calls it in Sword of Honour: ‘a rough improvisation merely’, the first modern system to expose the fatuity of the left/right way of divvying up politics. It expired in 1943, and will never exist again except in the mouths of accusatory ignoramuses.

Posted by Alex Zeka on April 10, 2006, 05:03 PM | #

He could have been got rid of at any time had he failed.

I call bringing your country to the point of occupation by a foreign power failure, don’t you? As I said, Mussolini’s pretensions and international naivety finished Fascism.

Fascism was not ‘turned into’ anything by Mussolini: it was his invention

Evola and several other Fascist-leaning intellectuals disowned Mussolini’s absurd conflation of fin de siecle nationalism, socialism and megalomania.

its ‘egalitarianism’ evidently escaped the industrialists who financed it

Big Business loves egalitarianism for the masses: it prevents any of us peasants gaining enough economic power to leave the corporate treadmill. Walmart supports min. wages and simply loves China, the one place nobody’s too rich to shop at their flea-ridden mega-monstrosities.

In your adoration of despots, you seem to wish to know no facts: you previously praised the occupier of Eastern Europe, Stalin, for his isolationist foreign policy! Here, you heap praise upon a man who abandoned his people to an unnecessary war in order to follow the hare-brained lead of the sexually deviant sybarite from hell. Tell me, what is it about arrogant, nation-despising conquerors that enchants you so? Is it the resplendent uniforms, the purple ermine, the grandiose titles they heap upon themsleves that occasion your feats of pagan Caesar-worship?

Please understand that I mean no malice: in fact, I admire your usual eloquence and insisiveness greatly. Yet your blind spot when it comes to nation destroyers worries me.

Posted by Alex Zeka on April 10, 2006, 05:05 PM | #

As an addendum to my last post: it isn’t Dugin or De Benoist that’s misled you, is it Amalek?

Posted by ben tillman on April 11, 2006, 01:15 AM | #

Fred -

The comment at April 9 at 1:14 p.m. may be your best ever.

Posted by Amalek on April 11, 2006, 06:39 AM | #

Alex: I just like to give credit where it’s due, as well as dispraise; and being a Christian like Solzhenitsyn, I do not believe the dividing line between good and evil is co-terminous with systems, states or ideologies.

I am not a Manichaean; I’m an empirical conservative who looks coolly at history and judges by results, not by contemporary claims or retrospective accusations. I am enveloped by shades of grey.

Posted by Steve Edwards on April 11, 2006, 08:29 AM | #

Fred Scrooby writes: “Did I leave anything out?”

You most certainly did, Fred!

You left out the part where they seek to abolish the 1st Amendment in order to prevent people like yourself telling the truth about their criminal, treasonous, agenda in plain English.

Posted by Alex Zeka on April 11, 2006, 10:45 AM | #

Amalek, I accept that, and I believe I have already praised you for it. However, your admiration for Mussolini and Stalin seem to be rather unempirical. By any objective measure, both failed their people: the results of Mussolini’s reckless adventures were the occupation of Italy, a new lease of life for its moribund Communist movement and a handy epithet our enemies can use to blacken the name of any patriot. The king dismissed Mussolini because the latter’s policy had failed abysmally: at this point, Italy was an international laughing stock, not the new Rome of Mussolini’s promises.

Contrast this record with Franco’s, a man who came to power in less propritous circumstances, but who restored his people’s national pride, stabilised Spain’s fractured society and avoided sacrificing his people’s lives for his own aggrandisement. A genuine nationalist hero!

Posted by Steve Edwards on April 11, 2006, 11:55 AM | #

Just compare Franco with today’s crop - Blair, Chirac, Zapatero, etc.

BTW - defending communism, communists, and egalitarians generally on this website is really, really, frickin’ dumb. I honestly can’t believe that anybody around these traps would have any respect for an outright criminal like Joseph Stalin.

Posted by Guessedworker on April 11, 2006, 01:32 PM | #

Well, you see, Steve, we’ve all done spent so much time skinny-dipping in that there Firedoglake, hell, we’re just all washed out as racist evils ones and reborn, I tell ya, as rinky-dinky liberals.  So Stalin, yes sir.  Mighty into ... inter ... intertelli ... mighty clever those Firedogfolks.

Posted by Hanif Leylabi on April 13, 2006, 01:26 PM | #

LOL Thanks for giving me a laugh guys.

Are you so stupid that you assume everyone with a non-english name is Pakistani?

My comments in regard to Arabs was they can piss off with their independence claims. Not that they should piss off out of the country. It’s as much their Iran as it is that of the Persian majority.

And my Dad’s white by the way, along with a reasonable minority of Iranians.