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UK Heretics Flee to US, Claim Political Asylum[From the BPP NATIONALIST WEEK SPECIAL REPORT - 16th July 2008 ]
Posted by Søren Renner on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 at 12:12 PM in Comments:3
Posted by Guessedworker on July 16, 2008, 06:24 PM | # Sheppard and O’Farrell went about things in a deliberately provocative way. Presumeably, that was how they wanted it. They courted prosecution, and duly succeeded. As a consequence, nationalism has been denied two talented writers. It’s possible, of course, that there could be a Niemöller moment in it, as an ideologically totalitarian structure picks off the easy ones ... the ones no one will defend. Will we see the discussion of human difference, especially cognitive difference, classified as hate speech? Or the existence of Jewish ethnic interests? Whatever happened to that ridiculously proscriptive set of “anti-anti-semitic” proposals that emerged in the US a year or so ago? Equally, where has the attempt to export German self-flagellation by making an “offence” in one can country prosecutable in another got to now? 4
Posted by Guessedworker on July 16, 2008, 06:43 PM | # onetwothree, I am sure it will have been taken down, but the “offending” material was originally here:- I bet the prosecution couldn’t find anyone to stand up in the witness box and describe how he or she was, in fact, moved by it to hate our elder brothers in faith. There was no hate produced in the real world. But prosecuting counsel has only to prove that the material was “likely to incite hatred”. So the whole thing becomes just a debate about what was in the readers’ minds, which no man can know. It is, therefore, an exercise in moral interpolation - wrong in principle for that reason, and wrong in fact because, as we all know, the objective of nationalist literature is to awaken one’s own people, not to induce them to blunder towards illegality and unproductiveness. That said, the two heretics made it easy for the prosecutor. I just don’t see why. 5
Posted by ben tillman on July 16, 2008, 07:39 PM | #
Agreed, and going to California instead of Texas or New Orleans was a really big mistake. But it should be interesting. 6
Posted by Fred Scrooby on July 16, 2008, 08:04 PM | # New Orleans??? You mean, they’re showing signs of intelligent life there now, since Hurricane Katrina displaced much of the “bad element” to Houston, a city they are duly terrorizing?? 7
Posted by PA on July 16, 2008, 11:52 PM | # If the American public were polled, well over 99% of them would prefer not to have these two immigrants in our country, shouldn’t the majority get their way? We don’t want British criminals, particuarly these odious examples of the breed. Welcoming those whose anti-social activity has been sanctioned in their own country would be worse than a couple run of the mill illegal immigrants from south of the border, as well as setting a terrible precedent. 8
Posted by ben tillman on July 17, 2008, 12:18 AM | #
Please elaborate. 9
Posted by Rich on July 17, 2008, 12:19 AM | # Yea PA, that’s us Americans. We’ll take your money and host your website, but if the country you live in wants to arrest you because of what you put there, well, that’s just too bad. Free speech isn’t something worth worrying about. 10
Posted by torgrim on July 17, 2008, 02:49 AM | # ben tillman, “Agreed and going to California…was a *really* big mistake.” They must have flown over the Pole, they should have landed in Anchorage…better weather and friendly people. Can you imagine what it must be like in a holding cell in LA? No english spoken, and lots of hostile stares… 11
Posted by SelousScout on July 17, 2008, 10:32 AM | # Thanks for the link to the Heretical website. I was previously unaware of it. Maybe Sheppard and Whittle should have landed in one of the white colonies in Orange County. I know of a beach house in Laguna Beach they could have holed up in for a while. 13
Posted by Flanders Fields on July 17, 2008, 03:03 PM | # To PA: I, along with 100% of other AMERICANS, agree with Scrooby’s poll. Drop dead! Just what section of the UN are you from, Mr. “anti-social activity man”? We will take all kindred refugees from communism, except those who are being used as tools in order to impose communism on America. 15
Posted by GT on July 20, 2008, 09:23 PM | # Asylum racist facing LA prison ‘Porridge’ A racist Preston writer who fled to the apparent safe haven of Los Angeles could be set for a hairy few months - after being banged up in prison. Whittle, 41, of Avenham Lane, was convicted of penning anti-Jewish articles on a website, but he failed to turn up at Leeds Crown Court on Monday for a hearing. US immigration officials detained unemployed Whittle when he arrived at Los Angeles airport on Tuesday to claim political asylum. Whittle is being held in Santa Ana City Jail, near LA, while he awaits an asylum hearing. The jail has more modern accommodation than most of the state’s ageing jails and education programmes to help inmates reform. It is a type II jail, which is at the lower end of security. Inmates are allowed three visits a week. It houses people arrested in the Santa Ana area, adults and youths awaiting trial, and parolees. Whittle is likely to have his case considered at an immigration hearing in the US before UK authorities can secure his return. American immigration expert Alex Rojas has warned Whittle is unlikely to be soaking up the sunshine in Hollywood while waiting for his case to be heard by a judge. Mr Rojas, a partner in New York legal firm Barst and Mukamal, said: “It could be anywhere between three to six months before a case is scheduled for hearing. Typically, he would be kept in custody. “Under no circumstances would he be permitted to obtain any permit to work while an application is pending.” California is known for its harsh sentencing, high re-offending rates and having America’s most over-crowded prisons, with up to three inmates per cell. One jail had to convert a gym into extra cells for inmates at risk of being beaten up over drug debts or by notorious gangs who clash over race. A sign above the entrance of California State Prison reads: “The purpose of prison is punishment.” Mr Rojas reckons Whittle’s bid for asylum is unlikely to succeed and he could face up to a year in jail in Britain if convicted of absconding. Mr Rojas said: “It is very difficult to get political asylum from the UK. You have to establish a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality or membership of a particular social group or political opinion.” 16
Posted by GT on July 20, 2008, 09:26 PM | # City of Santa Ana: Jail? 17
Posted by GT on July 20, 2008, 09:40 PM | # Santa Ana Jail Mail for inmates should be addressed as follows: Last Name, First Name Visiting hours are: Monday - Sunday *Visitors must sign in at the Santa Ana Jail Front Lobby prior to any visits. Visits are on a “first come/first served” basis. *Visitors must be over the age of 18. An adult must accompany minors 17 years of age or under. *Visitors will be required to produce a valid government issued form of picture identification. *A maximum of three adult visitors are allowed per visit. A maximum of 5 visitors in any minor/adult combination are allowed per visit. *Inmates may have 3 one-hour visits each week. *Visits will not be allowed when an inmate is scheduled for court. Visits may resume after court appearances. *Visitors must dress appropriately or they will not be admitted into the visiting area. *Lewd conduct or inappropriate behavior by visitors or inmates will not be tolerated and may result in suspension of visiting privileges. *Children must be controlled and cannot be left unattended at any time.
Take the 5 Freeway South. From the San Diego Area Take the 5 Freeway North. From the Long Beach Area Take the 22 Freeway East. From the Riverside Area Take the 91 West toward Corona/Beach Cities. 18
Posted by GT on July 21, 2008, 07:46 AM | # Sheppard and Whittle’s coming to the United States was either an uninformed decision made on their own or the result of amateurish advice back in England. Note the comments of Alex Rojas in the article, above. Is he their attorney? What both men need is an unapologetic attorney who will do his homework on American asylum precedent established with other persecuted writers, starting with Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn if not earlier. Solzhenitsyn was admitted under political asylum. 19
Posted by snax on July 22, 2008, 11:03 PM | # GW, I haven’t read much of Sheppard’s stuff, what I have seems pretty innocuous, but I do like O’Farrell’s - what is it you find needlessly extreme? 20
Posted by BB Wolfe on July 23, 2008, 07:44 PM | # I don’t think the Heretical.com material will be taken down (I hope not) — after all, it’s hosted in the USA, which was Sheppard’s defense regarding its supposed contravention of UK law. Luke’s an excellent blogger and Simon, while eccentric, is obviously an intelligent fellow. I presume they’ve quite deliberately aimed to gain maximum publicity for themselves in order to highlight the free speech issue, rather than submit to getting silently locked up. Then again, maybe they just dropped everything and fled. I can’t really blame them. 21
Posted by Robert Reis on July 25, 2008, 04:59 AM | # The problem is, the Weimar Republic had [hate speech laws]. It used them freely against the Nazis. Far from stopping Hitler, they only made his day when he became Chancellor. They enabled Hitler to confront Social Democratic Party chairman Otto Wels, who stood up in the Reichstag to protest Nazi suspension of civil liberties, with a quotation from the poet Friedrich Schiller: “‘Late you come, but still you come,’” Hitler pointed at the hapless deputy. “You should have recognized the value of criticism during the years we were in opposition [when] our press was forbidden, our meetings were forbidden, and we were forbidden to speak for years on end.” 22
Posted by Robert Reis on July 29, 2008, 02:51 AM | # http://age-of-treason.blogspot.com/ Monday, July 28, 2008 UK Thought Criminals Sheppard and Whittle Jailed in LA 23
Posted by Robert Reis on July 29, 2008, 03:28 PM | # Sarah Maid of Albion has left a new comment on the post “One law for them?”: Ah! but of course, those words “tolerate difference” the chant of the new oppression. That misleading and slyly crafted mantra has been used to silence debate and vilify opposition for almost four decades. It, and similar phrases like it, have been used to intimidate and vilify anyone who does not embrace the new orthodoxy in order to transform half of Europe without ever putting your imposed orthodoxy to any popular vote. No political party in any Western nation has ever fought an election on a mandate of increased multiculturalism or diversity, they impose it by deceit and using dishonest tactics such as accusing their opponents of spreading hate and “intolerance of difference”. Of course tolerance of difference is only allowed in respect of imposed difference, but I guess that may be because there is so much more to tolerate. Which is just one of the reasons why such phrases are so dishonest. Consider what you are saying for a moment,must we tolerate all difference, or just approved and pretty ones? murderers are different, do we tolerate them?, rapists are different, and mostly imported (check the statistics!) are we supposed to tolerate them as well? In terms of different cultures, women who mutilate their daughter’s genitals are different, so are parents who force their daughters into forced marriages, or brutalise and murder them on account of “honour”, are they to be tolerated? If so there are a hell of a lot of them to tolerate. What of the large number of Muslims who believe that homosexuals should be executed, or those who believe that women are inferior and that their husbands have the right to beat them?, I certainly am not going to tolerate that, however, politically incorrect that may make me. The vast majority of gang rapes are perpetrated by blacks or Asians, Viva la difference, and recent figures demonstrate that black youths are 13 times more likely than whites to commit knife crime, yet these are even more differences we are forced to tolerate, and really expected not mention. This command that we tolerate difference which is waved in our faces as if it were holy writ, has been used in order to change our nation, and huge swathes of Europe beyond recognition, without ever submitting the campaign to democracy. It is in itself a weapon of intolerance of any contrary view or any opposition. Another thing, what do mean when you spoke about “screaming abuse”? who screamed abuse? The two men who are applying for political asylum in America were not convicted of screaming anything. They wrote words and expressed written opinions, as free men have through out the ages, that was their crime. However, in your argument you refer to that as “screaming abuse”, because, as ever with those who argue as you do, you can only win by misrepresenting the opposition. 24
Posted by Dave Johns on August 03, 2008, 09:40 AM | # Court Backs Bush on Military Detentions By ADAM LIPTAK President Bush has the legal power to order the indefinite military detentions of civilians captured in the United States, the federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., ruled on Tuesday in a fractured 5-to-4 decision. {snip} The decision was a victory for the Bush administration, which had maintained that a 2001 Congressional authorization to use military force after the Sept. 11 attacks granted the president the power to detain people living in the United States. {snip} Jonathan L. Hafetz, a lawyer for Mr. Marri with the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, called the Fourth Circuit’s decision deeply disturbing. “This decision means the president can pick up any person in the country — citizen or legal resident — and lock them up for years without the most basic safeguard in the Constitution, the right to a criminal trial,” Mr. Hafetz said. {snip} Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III said the president might detain members of organizations or nations against which Congress had authorized the use of force who mean to harm people or property to further military goals. {snip} In the conclusion of his long opinion, Judge Wilkinson said terrorism cases presented courts with special challenges. “We may never know,” he said, “whether we have struck the proper balance between liberty and security, because we do not know every action the executive is taking and we do not know every threat global terror networks have in store.” ```````````````````` The USA was once a relatively free country. No more! 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 07, 2008, 07:41 PM | #
(Hat tip) 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 07, 2008, 07:48 PM | # Whatever his flaws may be, I consider Simon Sheppard a brilliant commentator. The other gentleman incarcerated with him, Mr. Whittle, who writes commentary under the pen name Luke O’Farrell, I don’t know well, having scarcely read his material. Of course I support both of them one-thousand percent in this matter. Anyone who doesn’t is ... well, GW would like the emotion toned down a bit around here, so I won’t finish that sentence. But use your imagination. 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on August 07, 2008, 08:33 PM | # Here’s the URL for Simon Sheppard’s letter (the link I gave above goes to the blog, not the letter): http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2008/08/letter-from-simon-sheppard.html 28
Posted by Richard Clement on September 01, 2008, 03:03 PM | # I’m somewhat surprised that this case has not been noticed by the Libertarian Alliance. I remember Whittle made a bit of an ass of himself a few months ago in a comment thread at Sean Gabb’s site. Nevertheless, I’m surprised there’s been no press release or mention of it on the LA’s blog. If the LA is prepared to defend Gary Glitter surely it should at least comment on the Sheppard/Whittle affair. 29
Posted by Fred Scrooby on September 17, 2008, 10:39 PM | # Strong, dignified, sympathetic statements from “the Heretical 2,” Sheppard and Whittle, who are confined in a California “detention facility” awaiting a hearing on their asylum appeals: 30
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 14, 2009, 02:04 PM | # A decision on Sheppard & Whittle’s appeal for political asylum in the U.S. is expected by the end of this month: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/US-asylum-case-of-web.5123741.jp . The decision is expected to be appealed no matter which side wins, so the case is expected to drag on quite a bit longer. Where to send your dollars if you’re able to help: 31
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 09:34 AM | # Their asylum request has been rejected (surprise, surprise!): http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Racehate-pair-who-fled-to.5180288.jp Notice, by the way, the total MSM blackout of this story. 32
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 10:55 AM | # Why did it take so RIDICULOUSLY LONG for that rejection decision to be handed down? Clearly they wanted Sheppard’s and Whittle’s return to England in “right-wing disgrace” to come just in time to maximize its propaganda effect in swaying voters against the BNP in the June elections. Anyone think the exact, couldn’t-be-more-perfect timing on this has been coincidence? I don’t. 33
Posted by Emperor Arthur on April 30, 2009, 07:34 PM | # Why did they not try Russia, Belarus, Argentina or even Iran or Mongolia? They were too well informed to make the mistake they made. The U.S.A was a very bad choice. 34
Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 30, 2009, 08:19 PM | # Not Argentina — you saw how quickly Bishop Williamson was kicked out of there: Jewish interests in Argentina are obviously well-guarded. But you’re right: why did these two guys who are supposed to be well-infomed choose California to flee to????? (It’s conceivable they weren’t that well informed and didn’t realize how far the situation over here has deteriorated.) Moscow, Venezuela, and Iran would have been viable choices politically but as for earning a living there, who knows? 35
Posted by Big Mike on October 14, 2011, 10:59 PM | # Santa Ana Central Jail Mail for inmates should be addressed as follows: Last Name, First Name Visiting hours are: Monday - Sunday Next entry: London New Right Previous entry: Incitement |
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Posted by Flossie on July 16, 2008, 04:28 PM | #
I wish these two well, but they may have made a mistake in coming to the U.S. Remember, Germar Rudolph was living quietly with his wife and baby daughter in Chicago when he was snapped up during a routine visit to the INS and shipped off to Germany. He’s now in prison there. And Ernst Zündel was living quietly in Tennessee with his wife, running a small art gallery, when a team of police and immigration agents swooped down on him at his home and carted him away to Canada. After several months in solitary, he was shipped off to Germany, where he’s now in prison.