Unexpectedly, a Part Two.

Posted by Roderick Bateman on October 25, 2009, 09:19 PM | #

I totally agree with this video but isn’t “National Anarchism” a bit of an oxymoron?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 25, 2009, 09:31 PM | #

Good for them!  God bless all you guys!

Posted by Søren Renner on October 25, 2009, 09:40 PM | #

Roderick: Google is your friend in this case (as is often true.) Another way of answering would be to say that yes, in a way, but that is sort of the point.

Posted by Selous Scout on October 26, 2009, 12:35 AM | #

Yeah, tell Newsom you disapprove of admitting kids into the market. Let me know how that turns out.

A far better step in the meantime would be [snip], but (1) we’re not yet at that stage and (2) I might get into trouble for advocating it.

Posted by John on October 26, 2009, 04:38 AM | #

I totally agree with this video but isn’t “National Anarchism” a bit of an oxymoron?

Authoritarian Anarchism, perhaps. Or Rainbow Nationalism.

How are rulers indispensable to nationalism?

Posted by Andrew Yeoman on October 26, 2009, 12:23 PM | #

Another way to describe National Anarchism is Tribal Anarchism or Tribal Nationalism.  The labels are less important than the results.

Posted by Guessedworker on October 26, 2009, 12:59 PM | #

Andrew,

I know Troy and debated him several times on his old forum.  I’ve published several of Welf Herfurth’s writings.  So what with Soren’s postings from BANA, National Anarchism gets a fair shake.  But I am still quite confused about NA and its applicability to the struggle - beyond the role of protest group, of course (which is edgy and sexy, and quite honourable enough, don’t get me wrong).

My criticism of NA in Britain, which is a small country and the sacred hearth of Anglos everywhere, is that we just cannot give up on our birthright and cede of our land in perpetuity to alien populations.  That would be feminine and irresponsible, and would destroy us in time anyway.  There will turn out to be no defence in retreating from the urban spaces into some kind of racially conscious, folkist commune thing - not in Britain.  It’s too crowded.

I am willing to grant that in North America and the Antipodes there may be good value in the concept.  I would be interested to know what kind of revolution you are attempting to create ... on what scale?  On what foundational ideology?  Are you thinking in post-collapse terms?  Do you see NA as a competitor or, at some level, as a contributor to a white ethnostate on the North American Continent?

Posted by Andrew Yeoman on October 26, 2009, 01:38 PM | #

Hi Guessed,

Thanks for your questions.  BANA’s political platform is very different from Troy Southgate in several important areas. 

“I am willing to grant that in North America and the Antipodes there may be good value in the concept.  I would be interested to know what kind of revolution you are attempting to create ... on what scale?  On what foundational ideology?  Are you thinking in post-collapse terms?  Do you see NA as a competitor or, at some level, as a contributor to a white ethnostate on the North American Continent? “

1) We want to establish the nine Bay Area counties into a National Autonomous Zone that answers to no higher authorities.  Each polis or collective identity would be formed on the basis of tribal loyalties of each areas constituents. 

2) Foundational ideology would probably be a mix of Constitutional borrowings and the Republic of Fiume and tribal authorities.  But honestly events will dictate the appropriate ideology and even desiring “revolution” at this point is a waste of time, without a mass movement to support NA a revolution is a pipe dream and not on our agenda under any circumstances.

3) We do not operate on the basis that a collapse is imminent however preparedness is an essential precondition for any disaster situation, especially for an area prone to earthquakes.

4) Is NA a competitor or contributor to a white ethnostate?  We are not attempting to found a new government, pro white or anti white.

The situation in the UK is different from us and you will have to have a different strategy however even though your landmass may be “smaller” in size with no local bases of support you will never get any national level of support.  Focus on the shire or county level before worrying about the landmass, act locally, think globally, and focus on getting the support of each household, neighborhood, and farm at a time otherwise you’re wasting time.

Posted by Roderick Bateman on October 26, 2009, 05:58 PM | #

This national anarchism is actually much like my philosphy but I would hardly call it national anarchism but ya, its not really the name thats important

Posted by fellist on October 27, 2009, 06:33 AM | #

The enemy’s goal is full spectrum dominance, I think we need full spectrum anti-dominance.

We need both pure theorists and anti-theory muscle; local spanners in the works and local constructive citizens; a national mainstreamist party and a national extremist party; and so on. We should have green-nationalists; peace-nationalists; anti-NWO nationalists; conservative nationalists; libertarian nationalists, Darwinian, pagan, and Christian nationalists,  etc.

‘They’ said no enemy to the left, we say no enemy who’s a nationalist, and except for the pure theorists we should spend no time attacking each other and our whole time attacking the system at the point appropriate for our grouping.

Posted by ríða hvítt fólk on October 27, 2009, 06:55 PM | #

Hi um yeah I’m interested in national anarchism.  I would like to know somethings.  I know that entitled white kids need an intellectual voice like you, Mr. Yeoman to lead the pink hordes into victory and ultimately the hallowed halls of Valhalla.  Benoist is pretty hip with his ideas that we all need our separate fields to play on.  I was wondering though?

So, what exactly are the results of “national anarchism”?
Do you think that national anarchism is just a lazy passive aggressive version of national socialism?
Do you think culture is based on ethnicity or is ethnicity based on culture?
What german materialist philosophers is national anarchism really based on?
How can you tell if someone wants to convert from Islam to national anarchism?  Is that haram?
What if a capitalist tribe comes to power?
Why do you guys all look out of shape?
What if the cooler European tribes won’t let you hang out with them?
Will the nine tribal autonomous zones still be allowed to play intramural football (aka soccer the sport of kings)? 
Are you a marketing major (I know you’re anti-capitalist, but NA is a great logo…I LUV purple LOL)? 
If I have purple skin and I want to join your tribe because I think that one aryan girl is a total babe, is that cool?
Can I have inter-tribal relations with your women if they permit?  What if we want to have a child?  What if he is the chosen one?
Can you forge an odin’s cross wheel for me for my DIY fixie? 
Is it okay to hide behind the state to pass legislation against the Folsom street fair (i’m conflicted with this one…no homo)? 
Can we make Insane Clown Posse and not Crystal Stilts our national anthem? 
Are you still allowed to yell “white power”? 
Do you guys play online Madden with the Hammerskins?
If the Black Israelites want to declare war on our tribe, who will train us to fight? 
Is it metapolitical to have a council of elders who have passed the test of the burning blade? 
And are those Mjollnir pendants you guys wear made in China?
What if I emerge as the kwizatz haderach in my tribe?  Can I eat them?
My white friend says that when the revolution comes, he is going to be the ultimate leader of your tribe and exile the your white tribe to Somalia and rename the tribe “The More Lost Tribe of Israel”...is that kosher?

Just wondering.  Thx!  gætirðu deyja!

Posted by Søren Renner on October 27, 2009, 06:56 PM | #

Let 1000 flowers bloom!