Vdare and counter-currents donations pitch

Ran into Vdare begging for donations… bizarre excuses offered.  The main one’s that the writers have families to feed and are being ostracized.  Don’t use their names!  A successful publication, The Economist, does this.  The software Vdare uses allows for custom fields, sophisticated tagging and running boolean operators on tags, facilitating arbitrary categorization and custom display of taxonomy and fields.  There’s no need for author names. 

Peter Brimelow argues for VDare’s credentials by noting that the SPLC labels it a hate group, failing to add that the credentials are of uselessness at best, controlled opposition at worst!  The SPLC pretends MR doesn’t exist.  Why?  Because many of our articles make them pee pee and poo poo… the Hell they’ll give publicity to the real deal!

Brimelow says they don’t endorse candidates, in the midst of a tacit endorsement of Ron Paul, long revealed as controlled opposition.

In a nutshell, the donations request has to be a scam.  A good way of understanding this is to look at the recent fundraising marathon at counter-currents.com.  Greg Johnson claimed a need for $25,000, for what?  The web hosting should be less than $150/yr.  Apparently he’s trying to make a living off of it.  He got this much, which makes no sense given the Alexa ranking [traffic], age [set-up mid-2010] and quality of articles unless the bulk of it came from Juden, the only logical candidate as Johnson’s doing a great job of pleasing them.  Vdare’s not to be outdone, and should have no logical reasons to beg for money, but the Juden derive perverse pleasure in milking moolah from the people they’re scamming [witness wikipedia begging for donations].  Beware of the scamsters.

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Posted by Fluffy on December 30, 2011, 04:44 PM | #

Why do we begrudge our people money for their labors in the service of our causes?
Let them make a living at it. So what. It is helping us.
Why is it a scam? Where do you get calling it a scam of all things?

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Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 05:09 PM | #

@Fluffy

The labor is for Juden.  Reflect on Vdare being advertised by the SPLC.

These guys couldn’t have a funding problem.  The Juden want the dupes to pay for being duped; it’s their style and it makes their day.

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Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 05:19 PM | #

Missed this gem on Ron Paul @ the vdare donations page:

He kindly gave us an exclusive interview when he ran for president in 2008 and said some excellent things about national sovereignty, ending birthright citizenship, deporting illegal aliens etc. But he did not campaign on them, presumably at the behest of his left-libertarian handlers—with the disgraceful result that he was outpolled among voters who said they worried about immigration by arch-amnestiac Senator John McCain.

There was no outpolling but vote fraud.  Before the primaries, Ron Paul was the leading Republican candidate and John McCain was at the bottom.  After the primaries the situation was reversed!  Ron Paul said nary a peep about the fraud, revealing himself as controlled opposition.

There’s more, of course, such as the donations he obtained going into the hands of Juden, his support for the gold standard (read this about the wisdom of basing money on gold) and his phony attempts to get the Fed audited.

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Posted by Lew on December 30, 2011, 06:03 PM | #

Not a well reasoned article. Are you the author J Richards? If so, you discredit yourself and MR. First, there is nothing wrong with people wanting to get paid. Second, I personally would never give money to Vdare, but CC is an important Web site.

Having seen your comments here and there on Majority Rights, I have noticed you make a useful and important distinction from time to time—the distinction between run-of-the-mill Jewish crimes versus the most serious Jewish crimes (money control, the hoax, 9/11 involvement, etc.).

It’s plausible that Jews or their proxies might enter the world of nationalist discourse in order to steer discussion away from the latter; however, this persistent labeling of people as controlled opposition without credible evidence is discrediting. No other way to put it.

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 30, 2011, 06:29 PM | #

There was no outpolling but vote fraud.  Before the primaries, Ron Paul was the leading Republican candidate and John McCain was at the bottom.  After the primaries the situation was reversed!  Ron Paul said nary a peep about the fraud, revealing himself as controlled opposition. (JRichards)

@JRichards

It is with statements like this that you forfeit all credibility. This is so typical of the conspiracist mindset, and why serious men, of whatever political persuasion, always try to marginalize the conspiracy mongers.

You have no evidence of vote fraud. I recall reading nothing of this. I was personal friends with a major Ron Paul friend and financial backer (he is dead now). Never once did I hear him say anything about Ron Paul’s 08 campaign being torpedoed by vote fraud. Ron loses in the primaries - and this means there must have been vote fraud? Was Obama’s election also fraudulent? If Ron said nothing about fraud, that is because he has no evidence of it.

Seriously, dude, you have a really strong propensity to try to force facts to fit within your preconceived notions of how the world is. This allows you to deflect attention from the character deficits of whites to the machinations of alien others (mainly Jews, the preferred WN whipping boys). Reality is much uglier. Most of the white race’s problems are due to whites’ own outlooks and modal psychology. Whites are simply easy prey for being morally propagandized and politically victimized. I wish that weren’t the case - I don’t quite know why it is (though I’ve seen it with other whites, including many friends, all my life) -  but we need to face our situation forthrightly if we’re to have a chance of overcoming it.

And note: there is absolutely nothing phony about Ron’s Fed audit attempts.

And Peter Brimelow is a hero. His book Alien Nation was excellent, and mandatory for all white preservationists.

And how the hell can you say Greg Johnson and counter-currents are “pleasing the Jews”? Are you that crazy??!! I think Johnson’s queer-based anti-Christianity is both metaphysically and tactically wrong. But to dismiss a publisher of Michael O’Meara as a Juden sell-out is so far beyond the pale it passes to parody.

You are not the arbiter of what is and isn’t sound in WN, nor do you get to decide on your own authority who is and is not a true patriot. Serious people disagree, and that’s how it always will be.

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Posted by Lew on December 30, 2011, 06:41 PM | #

Peter Brimelow is a hero. His book Alien Nation was excellent, and mandatory for all white preservationists.

Leon, True enough. Among mainstream writers, Peter Brimelow was the first to sound the alarm on immigration, and over 20 years ago. He deserves much credit and respect for that.

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Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 06:57 PM | #

@Lew

R-news is my account for short items.  Whereas I haven’t adequately explained above the why behind my stance on counter currents publishing, I’ve done so in the past.  I can elaborate here.

First I covered the special they ran on 9/11: http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/tenth_anniversary

Then I addressed the special series one of their authors, Kerry Bolton, ran on the money issue: http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/money

Now read this by Michael O’Meara: http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/10/white-nationalism-is-not-anti-semitism/ (this should be enough but if you want more, go through all the articles Michael O’Meara has written on Guillaume Faye, note how Faye’s works are promoted at CC, and contrast the treatment with this: http://www.codoh.com/viewpoints/vpfaye.html [German: http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/das-ende-guillaume-fayes.html ] )

Then read this by Matt Parrott: http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/12/the-white-supremacist-protocols/

Counter Currents Publishing is full of things like these.  I’m glad to be discredited in the eyes of anyone who goes through the above and thinks that Counter Currents Publishing is a serious, important or useful website for the non-Juden.  Notice Haller’s response?  I’m more than glad to get something like that. 

I agree with you that there’s nothing wrong in people wanting to get paid, but in my estimation there’s no real need as the Juden have plenty of money.  They just want the thrill that comes from the deceived paying for the deception.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 30, 2011, 07:05 PM | #

serious men, of whatever political persuasion, always try to marginalize the conspiracy mongers.

Serious men have serious sit-downs. Why are you on the lam, “Leon”?

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Posted by Graham_Lister on December 30, 2011, 07:32 PM | #

Well this is the problem with the ‘conspiracy’ mindset - the asymmetrical use of evidence (everything that fits the conspiracy is cited endlessly but anything which contradicts it is totally rejected). Such ‘confirmation bias’ makes honest debate impossible as at the extreme anyone or anything offering contrary evidence is dismissed as being part of the ‘conspiracy’.

Frankly at its worst it’s looney tunes stuff - equally if everything is part of the conspiracy then in reality nothing is. A hypothesis that purports to explain ‘everything’ normally on closer examination explains very little (if it did explain everything it would simply be an exhaustive description of everything, which is not really possible, rather than a limited hypothesis to be tested).

With regard to the complex nature of human affairs and history there is unlikely to be one single ‘all-powerful’ mono-causal factor at work. This shit is rather complex and certainly nuanced people. And in science a hypothesis or theory is always limited in some way - nothing attempts to explain everything without qualification and without being open to new contradictory evidence.

I mean this ‘Jew behind every shadow’ stuff kinda makes any reasonable assessment of genuine malfeasance impossible as the waters are so profoundly muddied.

Off topic but on a lighter note I am rather taken with the whimsy of this fine Scottish fellow and his take on “The Rape of Lucretia”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuE4-cBw99c

(TARQUINIUS) - O Dr Faust I’ve got a pain
Where I sit on the throne
Where an Englishman’s home is his kingdom

(FAUST) - Mr Tarquinius of Romford
You’ve got blue blood on the brain
But I know a Roman sanatorium
Where they’ll cure you with a story
From 2500 years ago:

The Rape of Lucretia

(TARQUINIUS) - O Dr Faust
Abroad I shall not go
The past, so they say, is a foreign country
And abroad equally

(FAUST) - Mr Tarquinius of Romford
Since you stubbornly insist
I’ll administer the history of democracy
Beginning when a woman was done by the son of the king:

The Rape of Lucretia

Romulus and Remus
Orphans of the forest
Grow to their majority
Throw up their hands in horror
The democratic gesture
When Sextus puts his Sextus where no king should he
Singing “We who are about to die salute thee!”

The Rape of Lucretia

(TARQUINIUS) - O Dr Faust
I should’ve guessed
That a doctor named after the self-confessed lover
Of Mephistopheles would say “Take two of these after meals”
And mean leeches - for all your fine speeches
Your anthem is “Where the beast sucks there suck I”

(FAUST) - Mr Tarquinius of Romford
You may set your mind at rest
My soul’s not with the devil but the NHS
And although I am loathe to
I’ve taken an oath to
Cure people like you who think SPQR stands for
“Sense Prevents the Queen’s Removal”

The Rape of Lucretia

Romulus and Remus
Orphans of the forest
Grow to their majority
Throw up their hands in horror
The democratic gesture
When Sextus puts his Sextus where no king should he
Singing “We who are about to die salute thee!”

The Rape of Lucretia

Romulus and Remus
May your example lead us
Your brotherhood and merit be our guiding force
You ushered in democracy, you understood that monarchy
Stands by incest, falls by sexual intercourse
We’ll be singing: “We who are about to die salute thee!”

The Rape of Lucretia

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Posted by Savrola on December 30, 2011, 07:43 PM | #

Begging for money is both undignified and effeminate. One of the greatest pitfalls of the Right/Racialist movement.

In the 21st Century, you need neither money nor human support.

In regards Ron Paul, as a campaign member, it appears to me that his people are SWPL liberals who answer to the Satellites in matters of morality which of course affect the platform and direction of the campaign.

But it’s ridiculous to assert that they answer to any body.

Ron Paul is the candidate least likely to hurt little white rabbits.

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Posted by Trainspotter on December 30, 2011, 07:46 PM | #

R-News: “Greg Johnson claimed a need for $25,000, for what?  The web hosting should be less than $150/yr.  Apparently he’s trying to make a living off of it.”

He’s trying to make a living off of it?  Really??? No!!!! Really???

Positively scandalous!

I don’t speak for Greg, but I don’t think that he has made any secret of his belief that white nationalism needs full time professionals.  He’s absolutely correct about that.  He also hasn’t made any secret of the fact that he would like to be one of them. 

I’m glad that he’d like to be a full time white nationalist, because he is one of the few guys out there that has the talent and vision to make a difference in our trajectory as a movement and, ultimately, as a people.  Our movement can’t be purely intellectual, but neither can the intellectual aspect be dispensed with.  It is a critical component of any successful revolutionary cause, and what Greg is doing as a publisher and writer is vital in that area.

The idea that white nationalism shouldn’t have paid professionals is ludicrous.  The idea that Greg Johnson’s work is supported by the Jewish community is beyond ludicrous, and not worthy of response.

As to Brimelow, he is a rare bird indeed: someone who had a “respectable” career with prominent and prestigious media institutions, and then moved to the pro-white fringe.  I suspect that most smart white nationalists have never held positions with status commensurate to their intelligence and ability.  That’s a great market niche for us, because the Kwa’s insane policies certainly create a lot of frustrated talent, talent that we can scoop up.  But the interesting thing about Brimelow is that he doesn’t fit that template at all. 

His book Alien Nation was important in its own right, and while I don’t find Vdare to be nearly as important as the work done by Greg Johnson, it does fill a meaningful niche.  For example, Brimelow has successfully promoted Sailer, who in turn has greatly influenced a broader audience that now manifests itself in everything from Roissy (now Heartiste) and game, to the HBD movement, etc.  This has helped to make the pro-white cause a movement of the relatively young, as opposed to just a bunch of griping retirees.  I’d call that a significant achievement in and of itself. 

Bottom line is that we need full time professionals who can actually produce things of value. Johnson and Brimelow can. 

 

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Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 07:51 PM | #

Dr. Graham_Lister

It’s my pleasure to read your interesting, rich commentary on the conspiracy mindset, the asymmetrical use of evidence, confirmation bias, science et. al.  How interesting a tapestry of ideas you’ve weaved, devoid of any facts pertaining to the matter, and with a nice poem to top it off!

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 30, 2011, 08:00 PM | #

Jimmy,

Stop implying that there is something not kosher about me (ok, there’s the pitch ...). I am just as committed to the 14 words as you and your kameraden are. We take different paths, but the goal is the same.

Saving the white race had better be a broad church, a mansion with many rooms (you need to hear that, too, Richards!). The white race is itself very diverse. I would say that is part of its attraction. We have many metaphysical positions, from Christianity to atheism, many and diverse forms of Christianity, many languages, ethnocultures, national traditions, ideological preferences, lifestyle preferences, rural folks, urbanites, etc. It is unlikely that there will ever come to be one all-embracing WN ideology, or even strategy for victory. Our race is too heterogeneous, too quarrelsome (which itself has been both a flaw and source of dynamism).

If you want to march in the streets, I want to focus on bringing Catholics to an acceptance of race realism, Lister wants to study race scientifically, GW ontologically, Richards to rant against Jewish conspiracies, evangelical sects to promote large families, etc, - well, there ought to be room for everybody. 

Only know troublemakers, or malum in se criminals, should be ostracized. 

Now I have to get back to planning our NYE festivities. Happy New Year, comrades!

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Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 08:08 PM | #

Trainspotter

If you notice carefully, my issue isn’t with Greg Johnson trying to make a living off of his work, but with his work.  If I liked the work, I’d wish a lottery upon him and donate myself.  This takes care of the bulk of your comment.  Where you and I differ is with respect to the value of the work.  I’d let the links @7 speak for themselves and would like to emphasize that given the website traffic, the age of the website, the nature of the articles, and we could add the current economy, in my estimation it’s highly unlikely that the majority chunk of the over 25k in donations within two months or less came from anything other than Juden.

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Posted by J Richards on December 30, 2011, 08:15 PM | #

@Haller

Lister wants to study race scientifically, GW ontologically, Richards to rant against Jewish conspiracies…

Thou shalt not pigeonhole me in this manner.  Read this Race FAQ and weep: http://wiki.majorityrights.com/race 

Guess who wrote it?  Can you cite Dr. Graham_Lister having come up with anything like it?

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Posted by Lew on December 30, 2011, 08:22 PM | #

@J Richards

Your list @ 7 proves Graham Lister’s point about confirmation bias. There must be hundreds of articles on CC. You selected the handful that support your point (or that you believe support your point) and ignored the rest.

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Posted by Newton on December 30, 2011, 08:38 PM | #

Counter Currents Publishing is full of things like these.

It also regularly publishes homosexuals such as Jack Donovan and James J. O’Meara.

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 30, 2011, 08:43 PM | #

@Richards

Glancing at your RACE FAQ, it does look impressively well-researched. I’ll take a closer look perhaps as I recover on NY Day.

I wouldn’t dismiss Lister so easily, though. He is obviously erudite and intelligent. He is of the intellectual class. I believe he is what he claims to be, though “Graham Lister” is certainly a pseudonym. He wouldn’t want his MR postings to imperil any government research grants, after all. His condescending diatribes against free markets and those who labor there clearly mark him as a recipient of a government paycheck, perhaps as a professor or lab researcher somewhere in Scotland. He is rather prone to the intellectual’s besetting sin of adopting an attitude of familiarity with the entire range of humanistic inquiry, and perhaps artistic endeavor, too (and in his case, he affects to do this on top of having a real scientific specialty). I know for a fact that, for example, his knowledge in economics, particularly of Hayek and the Austrians, is very perfunctory. And merely dropping the names of a few theologians and reading The God Delusion hardly constitutes expertise in the philosophy of religion.

But I can tell that Lister is classically and rigorously educated, as am I (Lister’s snide insinuations notwithstanding). You, on the other hand, I peg, for better or worse, as an autodidact.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 30, 2011, 08:50 PM | #

“Leon” Haller:

Stop implying that there is something not kosher about me (ok, there’s the pitch ...). I am just as committed to the 14 words as you and your kameraden are.

No. You are not. Neither need you be. All that I have asked of you is that you exist.

Until you exist, you can be neither for, not against anything. That is our existential gambit, and to date, you have done nothing for it, except to bury it beneath a plethora of economic obfuscation. No wonder you are on the lam.

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Posted by Captainchaos on December 30, 2011, 08:58 PM | #

According to Greg Johnson racial preservation is “decadent”.  Johnson favors expanding the franchise of Whiteness to include Turks so presumably he does not oppose the mixing of Turks with Northern Europeans.  This is nothing short of a recipe for racial nihilism.  Now, as far as I am concerned, that is infinitely better grounds for condemning Johnson’s work as essentially frivolous, if not maliciously misleading rather than his alleged enrichment by Jews that can only be ‘proven’ to exist in the imagination of Johnson’s accuser. 

Yet and still, Richards is in the process of rattling some cages that well deserve a good throttling.  Carry on, Richards.

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Posted by Captainchaos on December 30, 2011, 09:07 PM | #

Leon, if you wish to avail yourself of a general understanding of the truths gleaned by evolutionary psychology this is on offer to you at your local Barnes & Noble.  Furnished courtesy of better minds and better writers than Lister, I hasten to add.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 30, 2011, 09:10 PM | #

That “Leon” might pick up the cross of his professed savior:

Luke, Chapter 24, verses 38 - 40:

“And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.”

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 30, 2011, 09:35 PM | #

Yet and still, Richards is in the process of rattling some cages that well deserve a good throttling.  Carry on, Richards.

Yes. In my opinion J. Richards has sometimes gone over the top. Characterizing Alex Linder as controlled opposition is a good example of this, in my opinion. Nevertheless, it is also a good example of the very philosophy that Linder himself promotes; Attacking the Right from the right.

This is the energy of torsional politics in rightward revolution which creates the leftward rotation of a certain swastika.

Siege Heil.

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Posted by Captainchaos on December 30, 2011, 09:48 PM | #

Interesting that Lister relies on what he presumably believes is, assuming normal brain development, a hard-wired cognitive bias - in this case confirmation bias - as the basis of condemning his interlocutor’s ability to arrive at a reasonable conception of the matter under discussion.  Yet, when his interlocutor suggests that other, presumably equally hard-wired aspects of the mind, assuming normal brain developement, effect one’s perception of the world and what one values (e.g., what orientation towards political ideas one has) - in this case personality traits - Lister conspicuously and conveniently pleads the mysterious ineffability, the hopelessly complex “diachronicity” (that just means something develops over time, for those overawed by Lister’s jargon) of it all.

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Posted by Geb on December 30, 2011, 10:14 PM | #

How is calling Alex Linder “controlled opposition” over the top? He’s a known FBI informant and his output is so bitter and nutty I can’t see anyone being convinced by it.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 30, 2011, 10:35 PM | #

Geb:

He’s a known FBI informant

Oh, I see. And the source of this revelation is none other than “Geb”, whose reputation as a public fixture in American White nationalism exceeds even that of “Leon Haller”?

That’s a load off. grin

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 30, 2011, 10:53 PM | #

Leon, if you wish to avail yourself of a general understanding of the truths gleaned by evolutionary psychology this is on offer to you at your local Barnes & Noble.  Furnished courtesy of better minds and better writers than Lister, I hasten to add. (CaptainChaos)

I own plenty of books in the field, Capn. Lynn, Rushton, Salter, MacDonald - the standard racialist fare. I;m just wondering what ideologically neutral scholarship Lister has in mind. I’m sure he knows the major (non-scientific or popular scientific) texts in his field, and can direct me accordingly.

I’m always willing to learn.

Incidentally, I’m appalled at Johnson’s embrace of the Turks, if that is true. But it is probably explained by his hatred not only of Jewry, but, more importantly, of the Christian tradition (which has no use for buggerers), too. Of course, some Turks really do seem to be racially white (I’ve known two such in my life), but in that part of the world, “whiteness” has to be moved from a strictly racial to a racial + cultural/historical standard. I have a couple of quasi-racialist friends, one Greek-American, the other, Armenian-American. The Greek looks like an Asiatic, the Armenian looks like an ordinary white brunette. Both are Christian, and self-identify with whites/Europe. I think we should include them in the fold (of course, I’m quite happy even with a rigorous Nordicist set of definitions, but I’m not sure that would work in WN circles in the US). The Turks, on the other hand, are linked with Islamic civilization (and are becoming more so), and the Islamic world, besides being viciously anti-Western, is also overwhelmingly nonwhite. So keep them out (plus most Turks are clearly visually nonwhite).

I’m tolerant of all traditions within WN (even including the Nazis, whom I do oppose personally) with a single exception: those whose anti-semitism leads them to want to ally with Islam. Islam is a false, ugly, utterly alien creed, and I oppose any involvement or alliance with it for any reason.

———————-

Geb,

Is Linder KNOWN to be an FBI informant? Do you have a credible source for that?


———————-

Jimmy,

All that I have asked of you is that you exist.

Until you exist, you can be neither for, not against anything. That is our existential gambit, and to date, you have done nothing for it, except to bury it beneath a plethora of economic obfuscation. No wonder you are on the lam.

I have no idea what you’re on about, and I’m not on any “lam”, which connotes illegal activity, with which I have precisely zero ties. Saying I’m on some lam is at least morally defamatory.

 

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 31, 2011, 12:45 AM | #

“Leon Haller”

I have no idea what you’re on about

You’re English now?

And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

In accordance with

your

tradition, I ask to see your hands and feet, Leon.

GW has my contact information.

Captcha = surface15

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Posted by Lew on December 31, 2011, 01:10 AM | #

@J Richards

in my estimation it’s highly unlikely that the majority chunk of the over 25k in donations [to Counter Currents] within two months or less came from anything other than Juden.

25K is chump change to Jews. Why would Jews “pay off” Greg Johnson with an amount that small? A lot of Jews probably spend 25K in the Tel Aviv brothels every year. If Greg Johnson raised 25 million, or maybe $250,000, you might have a point given the size of the WNist community. But 25K? Come on.

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Posted by Dan Dare on December 31, 2011, 01:22 AM | #

Yet another MR thread descends into teenage cyber-melodrama.

How long will GW permit this to continue?

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on December 31, 2011, 01:28 AM | #

Apart from his faggotry, I’ll let a few know what I believe to be true about Greg Johnson:

He accepted donations to Savitridevi.org, on promise of publishing Savitri Devi’s Lightning and the Sun, while my neighbor and his daughter, Valdas and Gabriella Anelauskas worked their asses off scanning the Harvard library’s only copy of the same to their mutually established website.

And, what do we have as a result of this collaboration?

Two years later, some unidentified third party publishes the unabridged 1956 Calcutta version on Lulu.com?

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

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Posted by danielj on December 31, 2011, 02:24 AM | #

Oh Haller exists. Hardly. But he exists.

Fucking pegboy for Lord Von Mises.

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Posted by danielj on December 31, 2011, 02:34 AM | #

Jimmy,

They are called frenemies or enemigos in espanol.

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Posted by gareth on December 31, 2011, 02:51 AM | #

@ J Richards

Greg Johnson claimed a need for $25,000, for what?  The web hosting should be less than $150/yr.

I think he’s based in San Francisco, which is the 2nd most expensive city in America after New York City. So that could be the reason, rather than web hosting fees.

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Posted by Al Ross on December 31, 2011, 04:49 AM | #

There is no “Austrian” School of Libertarian Economics - just Jews.

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Posted by Liberal Heresy on December 31, 2011, 05:24 AM | #

Leon, I asked a similar question yesterday at one of the links in a JR post. The gentleman there suggested these lists:

http://abc102.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/index-of-articles-and-references-for-hbd-and-race-realism/
http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

From which I have since purchased a few.

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 31, 2011, 09:02 AM | #

A decent and very easy piece on Ron Paul, sound money, etc.:

http://lewrockwell.com/orig10/smith-g.f11.1.html

Really, folks, learn something, please.

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Posted by Ward Kendall on December 31, 2011, 10:37 AM | #

I’ve been involved in the pro-white movement for about 12 years now. I do not have a lot of claim to fame, other than being the author of Hold Back This Day, the fairly successful WN novel that is still selling ten years after its release.

But I could do much more than write. When I ran my Heartland (Helping Euro-Americans Reclaim Their Land And National Destiny) I outline goals, objectives, and ideas not found on such sites as The National Alliance, National Vanguard, V-Dare, American Renaissance, and others that, with both financial assistance and volunteers, could do what none of these other agencies have ever done: push back the brown hoards - bit by bit - with dedication and hard-work.

Being a good writer is just fine - I know - I’m one of the best. But writing is not enough. And until WN’s are willing to demand real-world action, we are going to lose.

Visit my site and read what I’m about. If you read what you like, email me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) with your thoughts and reflections. We need more than talkers, more than writers - we need action. Could I use donations? Yes. Would they disappear down a roulette table or in a hidden compound in the woods - no.

Learn more about what we as white nationalists can do.

Sincerely,

Ward Kendall


http://wardkendallnow.blogspot.com/p/it-has-become-clear-over-long-course-of.html

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Posted by CS on December 31, 2011, 11:38 AM | #

This is why we need our own ethnostate no matter how small so books like Ward’s can be mandatory reading in our education system.

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 31, 2011, 11:46 AM | #

Liberal Heresy,

Thank you very, very much for those HBD biblio references. There is so much more out there than I had thought, even after decades of reading American Renaissance, vdare, etc. What I had wanted from Lister were some standard references, not necessarily nationalist ones, many of which I already have or am familiar with. But there is such a huge variety between those two blogs you linked to, I’m sure to find what I need.

Although my scholarly focus is more theological, philosophical (ethics and classical political philosophy), political (international relations), and historical, I do need to integrate sociobiological realist insights into my political philosophy. I can see I have a lot of reading to do. I guess just incorporating and building off Lorenz, Rushton, Lynn, Itzkoff, Salter, and MacDonald won’t be enough.

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Posted by CS on December 31, 2011, 11:47 AM | #

Ward,

I will fully examine your website, but in case it isn’t there, how do we obtain power?

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 31, 2011, 11:48 AM | #

Ward Kendall,

I’ve bookmarked your site, and will view it soon. But by “action”, what, briefly, do you have in mind, both in general and for yourself? I ask, because I lean in that direction, too, even though at present I am back in grad school after a long hiatus, and I do hope to become a formal scholar/writer, advancing nationalist theory as I think it should be. I definitely have a number of book projects envisioned - works of politics written at the intersection of Christian ethics, classical conservatism, and sociobiological/anthropological realism. I do NOT believe that rightist political theory in its present state is satisfactory, and I intend to make some contributions to that end, once I am appropriately ‘credentialled’, have mastered the relevant scholarship, and have formulated my precise philosophy (or at least specific book theses). I definitely intend to publish an extensive work, which I’ve already begun outlining, and whose working title is Racial Ethics. Other works will include a Christian justification for the existence of a secular realm; a study of the rhetoric and ethics of Third World anti-colonialism; and a demonstration of the philosophical compatibility of racialism and libertarianism (as well as, perhaps, a more general critique of libertarian philosophy from a conservative perspective, one which unusually, however, embraces hardline private property rights, and accepts the superior efficiency of mostly unregulated markets). 

Those ‘life projects’ aside, I also am interested in a more activist approach to things. Maybe not to the extent of Jimmy Marr’s streetfighting NSM soldiers, but in an intermediate vein between direct confrontations and writing. Obviously, I’m referring to some kind of political activism, precisely along the lines of the many other activist organizations out there, from the NAACP to the NRA or the AARP. What is needed is a - dare I say it? yes, I will - respectable org for normal white Americans (I assume you’re American; just a hunch), one to fight for their interests in our increasingly multiculti, antiwhite cesspool. A pressure group to force the GOP to heed our concerns, as they do the Chambers of Commerce, the gun lobby, the ‘lifers’, etc.

I’m curious re what you’d like to do, even if it’s more extreme or ambitious than my patient, mainstream approach (though as a long term project, I’m also interested in my White Zion idea).

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Posted by danielj on December 31, 2011, 12:35 PM | #

Yet another MR thread descends into teenage cyber-melodrama.

How long will GW permit this to continue?

Until Zion is established!

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Posted by Leon Haller on December 31, 2011, 12:37 PM | #

Ward,

I only cursorily glanced at your Seven Foundations. I will study them in more depth tomorrow or next week. Why don’t you submit a brief summary of them, or an intro to them, as a post here at MR, so as to subject them to comments and discussion?

I have advocated in the past (to no avail) that MR ought to be more goal-directed; that is, that instead of just posting random, race-related posts, and then getting random, if sometimes very insightful, comments, we ought to be trying to advance nationalist ideology as a community. We need to come up with some generally agreed upon (and then perpetually updated and better formulated) set of propositions that can be a summary of our philosophy and agenda. You have heroically started to do this (though I think your Foundations could be added to, as well as perhaps improved upon), as has JRichards in the FAQ section here. But there is a lot of work to be done.

BTW, do you have any formal past WN affiliations (AR, Natvan, Duke, etc)? Or are you just a lone wolf, writing and working on your own?

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Posted by CS on December 31, 2011, 12:59 PM | #

Leon,

I just went through it quickly. I like some of the ideas in it which I had already considered myself. The problem is I don’t see how “we” get in power. This whole website and WN in general is a waste of time if “we” don’t get power somewhere.

I think “White Zion” is the way to go. I think we should invite other groups like Christians and libertarians to our target country which we’ll then split up between us when we have the numbers to do so. Why? Because it will easier and we’ll have a greater chance of success if we involve other groups.

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Posted by Ivan on December 31, 2011, 04:09 PM | #

I’m tolerant of all traditions within WN (even including the Nazis, whom I do oppose personally) with a single exception: those whose anti-semitism leads them to want to ally with Islam. Islam is a false, ugly, utterly alien creed, and I oppose any involvement or alliance with it for any reason.

Coming from Leon the Kosher, this sounds like a music to my ears. Perhaps there are no better litmus tests for spotting kosherites than their attitude towards Islam and their take on the genesis of 9-11.

Islam is the only social force that has resisted so far, more or less successfully, to the filth and degeneracy imposed upon humanity by Juden. Islam is the number one enemy of Juden today.

I wish good health and Happy New Year to all, in particular to GW, the owner of this site that makes life a little less miserable and a little more entertaining for a small, but capable of independent thinking, minority of human beings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw1vvGYHQBw

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Posted by Iam Knotreel on December 31, 2011, 04:31 PM | #

Dear Ward Kendall,

I am a native of White Zion, a diaspora nation of White men who only voice our opinions under fake identities.

We read and write by the ream, but have yet to understand why fictitious men never obtain real power.

Any idea what we are doing wrong?

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Posted by CS on December 31, 2011, 04:43 PM | #

Iam Knotreel,

Here’s an idea. We’re all spread out all over the planet and therefore powerless. And because we’re powerless we can’t even post under our real fucking names because of likely reprisals not limited to losing our jobs and careers. But if we all go to one little small country, especially one not controlled by ZOG we don’t have to worry about that bullshit.

Is that clear enough to you you fucking retard?

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Posted by Graham_Lister on December 31, 2011, 05:20 PM | #

@Leon H.

I know we clash often but if you are serious about intellectually honest scholarship then that is something to be admired. Unfortunately many of the authors you mention are not highly regarded with the elite of evolutionary biology/behavioural ecology – in fact many, as far as I know, entirely non-ideological biologists of my personal acquaintance regard evolutionary psychology as a rather unrigorous discipline. It’s very easy to suggest why something might be an adaptation; it’s a rather different prospect to demonstrate that it is. On Rushton let’s just say his understanding of life-history theory (a formidably complex subject) is somewhat idiosyncratic.

Which reminds me of popular accounts. It’s not that someone like Dawkins is wrong in what he presents (at least on the biology front - his philosophical theology would embarrass even a very dim 1st year undergraduate in the subject), but rather he does tend to over-simplify. It really isn’t enough to read Dawkins et al., and be an expert in the field.

Unfortunately I do not really read very many popular science books on biology precisely because I find them too dumbed-down. I did have to re-read Dawkins but that was for a work-related discussion group for students which I ran. From memory the last couple of popular biology book I bought were:

“Looking for Spinoza: Joy, Sorrow, and the Feeling Brain” by Antonio Damasio

&

“Mutants: On the Form, Varieties and Errors of the Human Body” by Armand Leroi

Now I know you want a ‘quick and dirty’ introduction by unfortunately I don’t think there really are any. You could try reading a general undergraduate textbook along with a dictionary of biology say:

“Evolution” by Stearns and Jockstrap

or/and

“Phenotypic Evolution: A Reaction Norm Perspective” (Schlichting and Pigliucci)

But we are rapidly moving into the professional literature and by old favourites:

“Foundations of Social Evolution” (Steven Frank)

“Narrow Roads of Gene Land: Volume 1: Evolution of Social Behaviour” (W.D. Hamilton)

For a generally sophisticated fusion of philosophy and biology you could try:

“Adaptationism and Optimality” (Orzack & Sober (Editors))

& possibly this one – in fact on second thought perhaps this would be the place to start:

“Sense and Nonsense: Evolutionary perspectives on human behaviour” (Laland & Brown)

One of the most fascinating topics in biology is on the theme of ‘modularity’; the degree to which the ensemble of different traits that constitute an organism are genuinely independent of each other in evolutionary terms. Obviously there must be some degree of independence but it cannot and is not a free-for-all either. And really, conceptually, this topic is at heart a mereological one (what is the proper relationship between the parts and the whole?). Equally this implicit mereological question is at the heart of topics within hierarchical selection theory (of which Hamilton himself recognised as far back as the early 1970s that inclusive-fitness theory was a subset thereof).

Which in term brings back to political philosophy and Aristotelian focus upon the mereological question in politics. Rather obviously liberal theory gives a very deflationary account of the role or importance of the higher level ‘wholes’ (community/nation/tradition or any other ‘collective’ identity or social formation) in favour of a maximally understood account of the central importance of the lower-level ‘parts’ (individual social-actors). Methodological individualism is the key ‘working assumption’. The whole is only the aggregate properties of the particular parts – there are no emergent properties at the ‘higher’ level nor any substantive feedback loops between the higher and lower levels. This asymmetrical outlook (only the parts are ‘real’ and the correct focus of any enquiry) is also the key ontological and normative assertion/prescription contained within all forms of liberal theory. See Ayn Rand for the absurdist nadir of this line of thought.

By way of contrast hyper-collectivist ideologies such as communism or fascism assert the total importance of a collective whole over the individual parts (it doesn’t matter if the collective is the proletariat or the nation/Volk) they both share this basic structural isomorphism. They both assert that the parts are totally subordinate to the whole – indeed they aim at the dangerous fantasy of total ‘ontological fusion’ in that there cannot be any legitimate differentiation between the interests of any part (any individual) to that of the whole.

I’m an Aristotelian on this topic – surely there is a sane and sustainable ‘middle-way’ between the extremes of liberal ‘hyper-individualism’ and totalitarian forms of ‘hyper-collectivism’. But to articulate and formulate it is undoubtedly a serious challenge. And one does not do so from within liberal theory (left or right facing).

And now I must get back to my New Year celebrations – Happy New Year people!

P.S. You could also try this:

“Complexity and Group Processes: A Radically Social Understanding of Individuals” (R.D. Stacey)

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Posted by Iam Knotreel on December 31, 2011, 05:33 PM | #

We’re all spread out all over the planet and therefore powerless.

Excellent! This ironclad logic is a two-for-one stroke of genius which also explains why Jews never had any power, either. It’s like the solution to a really tough simultaneous equation, or something. I’m truly amazed. It’s so obvious even non-existent people will be able to make use of it.

Thank you, sir, whoever you are, for risking your career to share this insight with me.

Like yourself,

Iam Knotreel

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Posted by CS on December 31, 2011, 06:27 PM | #

I am not real,

The Jews work together and have a ton of money and they had almost no opposition to what they were doing, in fact a lot of white idiots think what they’re doing is great and helped and are helping them out.

We don’t work together. We can’t really together because then we are publicized as nazis and made virtually unemployable. We don’t have a ton of money. We have a ton of opposition including a lot from our own Goddamn people.

Does that explain things enough to you you dumb dildo?

But if we all go to a small country especially one not under direct control from ZOG we can worm out way into a position where eventually white people like us become the majority and then we can run things the way we want and not the jews. Then we work on the next little country. We can even make alliances with other groups to help us out like Christians and libertarians and split up the country between our groups.

Otherwise you guys can spend the next fifty years discussing the merits of the gold standard while your countries increasingly become more and more non-white.

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Posted by Flur on December 31, 2011, 09:30 PM | #

This is nothing short of a recipe for racial nihilism.

He is a nihilist:

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/07/14/spenglerian-decadence/comment-page-1/#comment-66889

For me, that goal is Nietzschean: the creation of a perfected, god-like white race that will give meaning and purpose to this godless, meaningless universe.

He is motivated by a lust for the ultimate sub/dom fantasy.

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Posted by Hunter Wallace on December 31, 2011, 10:46 PM | #

Told you so.

Mark my words, Greg’s thermometer will be whipped out again in 2012. Fresh appeals will be made about the need to finance the “metapolitical struggle.” Some things never change in the White Nationalist movement.

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Posted by Søren Renner on December 31, 2011, 11:32 PM | #

Serious men have serious sit-downs. Why are you on the lam, “Leon”?

Yeah. Why?

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Posted by rusty on January 01, 2012, 12:07 AM | #

Vdare is a scam? Ron Paul is controlled opposition? Brilliant, just brilliant.

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Posted by J. M. on January 01, 2012, 04:19 AM | #

Hey, “Brad”/“Hunter” whatever your name is.  Do you think your current identity is ever going to live down the scandal of your password-phishing activities?  Your name is mud, no matter what you say or what you do.  Your best bet is to deep-six all your current projects and restart them under another name, in the future. And, to desperately hope, that no one accidentally connects you with well known password-phishing persona “Hunter Wallace”.

Just out of curiosity, how’s the password phishing project going?  Are you having good luck breaking into people’s emails and forum accounts like you did with the “LIEceum”?  Are you keeping your nefarious activities a good secret this time round, as opposed to last time, when you got caught and exposed by Ixabert?  It seems so.  I am sure you’re being more careful this time.  Did Kane help you disable MD5 on Occidental Dissent like he did at the LIEceum?  Exactly how are your pathetic schemes proceeding?  How many people’s passwords do you have, without anyone knowing this time.  Do tell.  Just curious.

By the way, exactly who the fuck do you think you are, criticizing Greg Johnson.  He advances our cause and provides a lot of interesting material and minds his own business.  Furthermore, unlike you, he does not phish passwords.  You on the other hand have every earmark of an SPLC mole.  You even bragged about hooking up with Morris Dees’s daughter or something like that.  You were also on psychiatric medication.  Get the fuck out off these forums, Brad. 

In short, your perfidy has not been forgotten.  It will not be forgotten.  You are not one of us.  You’ve been asked to apologize for your wrong-doings, but you arrogantly refuse.  You have no humility.  You are some sort of head-case I don’t have the exact credentials to characterize, but I know you’re sick.  You are NOT pro-White.  Your lack of integrity is noted.

Happy New Year.  Frankly I think you are an SPLC asset or a potential one (given a bit of pressure a weak, mentally ill faggot like you can easily be turned), and I hope that, like Hal Turner did, you will eventually miscalculate in your anti-White schemes.  You definitely deserve his fate and worse.

For those perusing the link:  Brad = Hunter Wallace = Prozium, password phishing accomplice as you can see. 

For the tl;dr crowd:  Hunter Wallace is a password phisher.

 

 

 

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 01, 2012, 06:17 AM | #

Hunter, you have as well as Johnson proven yourselves unworthy of sitting at the table of the men that would rightly decide the fate of our race.  I need not qualify that statement in the least as all those with eyes to see know it to be true, even given the most generous interpretation of your respective characters.  Adopting that true and superior perspective, no man worthy of respect ought care the least for what salt you could rub into the wounds you would inflict gratuituosly on Johnson; the point is truly moot.

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Posted by MOB on January 01, 2012, 10:10 AM | #

Following the Occidental Dissent comment linked above by Flur is this:

Captainchaos says:  July 15, 2010 at 7:37 am
“Racial preservation is the absolute, non-negotiable first order of business. Give up on that, and all is lost.”

That depends upon what one ascribes ultimate value to. If the preservation of one’s race is one’s ultimate value, and indeed one’s race is not preserved, then “all is lost.” However, if one’s ultimate value is an exalted state of Man achieved through transcendent acts, and the preservation of the White race is not necessary to affect those transcendent acts, then “all” cannot said to be lost by the loss of one’s race. I see no reason that European-Asian-Jewish hybrids could not deliver the transhuman future; merely cognitive elitism could deliver the transhuman future.

_________________________________________________________________________
The European-Jewish hybrid has been in effect for as long as AR, VDare, NPI, HBD, AltRight, and sundry lesser groupings have been in existence; in the case of AR, the earliest entry point for the more intelligent agitators, this fact has been the thorn in their sides that has driven many of the more activist-minded away.  No matter where so-called WN’s have tried to engage, the Jewish presence has always muddled the focus, preventing any kind of activism to take shape.

The Asian component has been less obvious until now; but recently it’s been the centerpiece of a high-traffic Counter-Currents thread on race-mixing.  The case purporting to be made was that “race-mixers” who write pro-White materials are contributing to the White cause.  I think the case was being made in defense of an insider friend of both the author and Greg; secrecy, compromise, deception and reversal of prior position, justified by a higher mission.  The use of Fred Reed and John Derbyshire as decoys was unfortunate; both have written articles in praise of Jews which specifically reject the idea of Jewish collusion or conspiracy to engage in behaviors that are harmful to Gentiles.

The friend in question is White, has lived in Japan for many years, has taken a Japanese wife and now has a mixed-race toddler, and he wants to continue writing “pro-White” articles; perhaps he’s getting flak from somewhere to generate this defense.  (I wonder if Tanstaafl got flak for having a partially-Jewish wife, prompting him to post his “revelation” on his website shortly after he and Prozium attended their special meeting.

A dozen years ago, the race issue was all about Blacks - it was Anti-Black elsewhere and so-called “Pro-White” at American Renaissance.  Kevin MacDonald and TOO remain true to the real problem, the Jewish takeover, with all of its attendant anti-Gentile enactments, legal and criminal, personal, national, global, everywhere one looks.

A European-Asian-Jewish hybrid transhumanist civilization is still a pyramid - Jews on top, Asians in the middle, powerful Euros on the bottom—and beneath that a rectangular basement where the underling mishmash dwell.

Race joins religion (and gender, though most WN males don’t seem to know it) as decidedly wet noodles on which to attempt to build a revolutionary structure.  All suffer from dilution and fracture. I recommend “anti” in place of “pro” - hate in place of love.  They’re more efficient in a struggle for power.  I hate the Jewish takeover.  Therefore, I’m anti-Jews.  Keep it simple.

 

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Posted by Jesus Christ on January 01, 2012, 11:26 AM | #

I hate the Jewish takeover.  Therefore, I’m anti-Jews.  Keep it simple.

I like this, “MOB”, but as long as the “I” remains a cypher, how much transformative impact can we expect it to have on our racial being?

“Ontology deals with questions concerning what entities exist or can be said to exist, and how such entities can be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology

I have, for example, changed my cypher to “Jesus Christ” and I could go on to post the most profound existentialistic parables imaginable, but until my fat ass was nailed to a cross, bled and died, all my insights wouldn’t amount to a hill of shit.

Many of us can’t afford, as real-life people, to stand behind statements like “I hate the Jewish takeover.  Therefore, I’m anti-Jews.” So, in order to speak the truth, we have sacrificed our real selves for false identities and thereby insured that our cause remained non-existent.

My wish for 2012 is that more of us will emerge from the closet and start writing as real-life people. Many of us won’t be able to write “I hate the Jewish takeover.  Therefore, I’m anti-Jews.” Some will be limited to saying things like “Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White”, or “Everybody says there is a RACE problem….”, but this could have a positive side-effect putting us on a more consistent message.

I apologize for using “MOB” as the example in making this comment. It was a random choice based largely on the positioning of the comment. It’s nothing personal (how could it be?).

Happy New Year!

 

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Posted by Mark R on January 01, 2012, 01:57 PM | #

Posted by Captainchaos on January 01, 2012, 06:17 AM

Hunter, you have as well as Johnson proven yourselves unworthy of sitting at the table of the men that would rightly decide the fate of our race.

CaptainKook, you’re such a melodramatic little twerp.  You won’t be deciding anything.  You can’t even sit at a table without a booster seat.

Get out of your mother’s basement sometime and get some sun, socialize with real people outside of your Asperger internet cult.

Captainchaos says:  July 15, 2010 at 7:37 am

the preservation of the White race is not necessary…
I see no reason that European-Asian-Jewish hybrids could not deliver the transhuman future

You’re a fraud and there are too many like you in “White nationalism.”

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Posted by Hunter Wallace on January 01, 2012, 04:20 PM | #

Captainchoas,

Hunter, you have as well as Johnson proven yourselves unworthy of sitting at the table of the men that would rightly decide the fate of our race.  I need not qualify that statement in the least as all those with eyes to see know it to be true, even given the most generous interpretation of your respective characters.  Adopting that true and superior perspective, no man worthy of respect ought care the least for what salt you could rub into the wounds you would inflict gratuituosly on Johnson; the point is truly moot.

(1) First, I am not involved with the White Nationalist movement anymore, and I have no desire to sit around any “table” populated by Neo-Nazis, especially those of the internet variety. Frankly, it is a relief not to have to deal with those people anymore.

(2) Second, Greg Johnson really is financially motivated and he really is one of those people who is “in the cause” to make money from it, and his attitude toward people really is driven by financial considerations.

How do we know this is true? Because the theory successfully predicts his behavior. How many times has Greg Johnson come here to bunch about “his money”? I’ve lost count.

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Posted by Hunter Wallace on January 01, 2012, 04:21 PM | #

J.M.,

No one cares about your stupid vBulletin clown forum circle jerks.

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Posted by Hunter Wallace on January 01, 2012, 04:40 PM | #

Vdare is a scam? Ron Paul is controlled opposition? Brilliant, just brilliant.

Amren and VDARE have large audiences and are effective and useful organs for disseminating a pro-White perspective to a mass conservative audience. White people care about issues like immigration and crime and the impact that African-Americans and Hispanics are having on their communities.

Ron Paul is an excellent example of “mainstreaming” in action. His followers are changing the nature of the Republican Party. They are forcing issues into the mainstream which are outside the two-party consensus. The neocons are terrified on Ron Paul.

Why is Paul succeeding in doing this? It is not because he is promoting “ideas.” It is because his “ideas” connect with real world concerns like the exploding national debt, unemployment, the expansion of government, government spending, squandering our national wealth on useless foreign wars ... all of which are on the minds of voters.

There is a demand out there for tough immigration laws. There is a growing perception that black crime is becoming a more serious problem. The federal government has lost legitimacy. The feeling that government has become a threat to the lives of ordinary people is near record highs (1 percent away from the high in the early 1990s).

Amren and VDARE are important institutions. Ron Paul was on television this morning explaining his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That’s a good thing. It is a good thing that someone who voted against the Voting Rights Act is enjoying success in American politics. It is a good thing that states like Arizona and South Carolina are passing immigration laws that force SPLC and Justice Department lawsuits.

We need more of that, not less.

 

 

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Posted by Geb on January 01, 2012, 04:43 PM | #

Oh, I see. And the source of this revelation is none other than “Geb”, whose reputation as a public fixture in American White nationalism exceeds even that of “Leon Haller”?

That’s a load off.

\


OK Jimmy, since you asked nicely.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-TheMovement/+Doc-TheMovement-BillWhite/BillWhiteTrashesAlexLinder&VNN;.htm

Linder’s also been investiaged by the FBI himself

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Technology/Prosecutor-Federal-officials-investigating-Web-site/2006/08/05/1154198363541.html


The guy has a reputation for extreme nuttiness. He gives us gems of wisdom like “Trees are really just dark green forest niggers.“He’s either a plant or off the wall crazy. Either way he’s the SPLC’s dream come true.

He has no problem reporting VNN posters’ information when the FBI asks of him. There was a screenshot of one of his now purged VNN posts on SF where he basically says “anything you say on my site, you should take credit for otherwise don’t say it. And the FBI can tap your communications anyway so there’s no harm in me giving them your info I have when they ask me for it.”

 

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 04:44 PM | #

Counter-Currents sells books and takes donations because I want to make a living as a full time White Nationalist writer, editor, and organizer. My business partner, Mike Polignano, also wants to be a full-time professional white. There are legions of professional Jews and non-whites working to strip our race to the bone. The idea that there is something wrong with full-time professional white advocates can only contribute to our racial decline.

A secondary priority for our fundraising is to be able to pay our authors for their work.

All told, in 2011, CC raised $40,000 in donations.

In 2012, we are going tax exempt/501c3 and our fundraising goal is $100,000. We will be doing two fundraisers next year. 

Eventually, I hope to have a budget of $500,000/year and a small staff of full-time professional whites.

RE Jimmy Marr’s comment:

1. Gabriella created an E-book version of The Lightning and the Sun in 2003 or 2004, before I had any contact with her.
2. The Lulu.com edition of The Lightning and the Sun first appeared in 2008. It is simply a pirate version of the free E-book of The Lightning and the Sun that Gabriella made available on her website and also on the Savitri Devi Archive. The scum who did this is also selling the free E-book through Lulu for $13.99.
3. In 2010, a fine National Socialist gave me $1,000 because he wanted to see a competently edited edition of The Lightning and the Sun. That edition will appear this year, after many delays due to lack of time complete it and lack of funds to print it. The same is true of Forever and Ever.

These are the facts. Now if you want to see how a dishonest troll’s mind works, please go back and read Marr’s comments to see how he twists this into sinister insinuations of malfeasance.

RE MOB’s comment:

Marge, you appear to be even more of an “insider” than I am in this matter. If you are right, and if you are talking about who I think you are talking about, then I am saddened. My own position on race-mixing is rather liberal compared to some, but when people produce children with other races, they cannot help but mix their loyalties along with their blood. Thus, they are no longer “us.” They have no place in a white society.

However, if for whatever reasons they want to contribute to the realization of a society that would exclude them, well I can’t really fathom their motives, but should we reject their help? Can we, in the end, reject their help, given that people can pop up on the internet with new pen names or stuff cash in envelopes with no return address?

I think it is a virtue of CC that these topics can be discussed in a (generally) sensible manner.

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Posted by Geb on January 01, 2012, 04:54 PM | #

Here a screenshot of the Linder post where he admits to giving info.

http://www.whitenationalist.org/forum/showthread.php?s=c756c2351fcbcd1a4b903c1ed1d94cf6&t=494

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Posted by FB on January 01, 2012, 05:12 PM | #

GJ, can you tell me why TOQ was always late when you were the editor?

What’s your more flexible position on race-mixing?

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Posted by stolz on January 01, 2012, 05:28 PM | #

If you want to make a living in a low paying profession, why would you live in the second most expensive city in America? Wouldn’t you want to lower your living expenses? John Morgan of Arktos moved to India to lower costs, and Richard Spencer is based in the Mountain West region.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 01, 2012, 05:40 PM | #

Now if you want to see how a dishonest troll’s mind works, please go back and read Marr’s comments to see how he twists this into sinister insinuations of malfeasance.

You’ve overshot the mark with this comment, but that’s OK, I did the same the thing when I opened my mouth about you, and I immediately regretted it. I was drinking and made a comment in bad taste about something of which I have only fragmented information.

I’m sorry Dr. Johnson. I spoke out of turn, and in poor taste.

My more general and sober opinion of the politics of publishing of White nationalist materials is that I consider many of the older ones (e.g Lightning and the Sun and Adolf Hitler: el Ulitma Avatara) to be exactly what I called them “White Nationalist materials” (i.e. public domain).

The hustling and scrabbling about who deserves ownership of translations and re-printings, is sickening to me. It’s bad enough that our perennial enemy does everything in its power to prevent the publication of materials supportive of our cause. The thought that so-called White racialist advocates are themselves involved in activities that prevent or delay the publication of these materials for profit motives would be beyond belief to me if I hadn’t seen convincing evidence of its effects.

My opinion of those you call “scum” and “pirates” is actually one of gratitude. If it were not for them, I might easily have gone to my grave waiting for some foot-dragging literary prima donna to make kosher editions available.

If that makes me a troll, so be it. Add me to your list of devils: Scum, Pirates and Trolls. Oh my!

In case you hadn’t noticed, we’re not in Kansas anymore.

 

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 05:48 PM | #

Stolz:

Where I live is none of your business. The people who buy our books or donate to our work understand that it is none of their business either. Or do you think it is your business where the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker live as well?

Brown:

TOQ was late when I took it over, and although I came close to catching up at one point, it proved impossible due to the extreme incompetence, laziness, and bad judgment of Sam Dickson, then president of the Charles Martel Society.

My views on race-mixing are set forth here:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2010/10/lawyers-and-sex-crimes/

And in the discussion thread here:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/12/white-nationalist-race-mixers/

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 05:56 PM | #

Marr:

It is scummy to charge $13.99 for an E-book that is available for free.

And if the pirate who simply sent the free E-book to Lulu for printing was really concerned about making ideas more available, why did he price it considerably above his cost?

Given your other recent dealings with Lulu, I have to ask: Are you the person responsible for the pirate editions of The Lightning and the Sun and Pilgrimage?

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Posted by stolz on January 01, 2012, 06:13 PM | #

Where I live is none of your business. The people who buy our books or donate to our work understand that it is none of their business either. Or do you think it is your business where the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker live as well?

It is the business of people who buy books and donate because how far a dollar goes depends on location and its costs. Writing for, editing, and running a website can be done from anywhere. Which is why Morgan and Spencer are able to operate from where they do and lower their costs.

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Posted by Trainspotter on January 01, 2012, 06:43 PM | #

I’m at a loss to understand why more people aren’t willing to become active and visible in pro-white circles.  It’s a real brain teaser, it is.  Look at the psychological warm fuzzies that they are showered with. 

I particularly love relevant and insightful questions such as:

“GJ, can you tell me why TOQ was always late when you were the editor?”

Um…why does it matter, other than to stir up old feuds?  Greg has been running Counter-Currents for more than a year.  The site is updated daily with loads of content and has an active comments section which is moderated, not to mention the publishing end.  Unlike many/most white nationalist sites, Greg hasn’t missed a beat.  So much for the “Greg is lazy” argument that was thrown about before. 

Or this gem of a query:

“If you want to make a living in a low paying profession, why would you live in the second most expensive city in America? Wouldn’t you want to lower your living expenses?”

LOL!  What’s it to you?  Why does a white activist have to explain his living arrangements to you?  Maybe he has family there.  Maybe he has a roommate situation that is cheap for him.  Maybe he inherited a place, and owns it free and clear.  Maybe he lives in his mom’s basement.  Who cares?  In the shattered and disintegrating kwa, anything is possible.  As the economic casualities mount, I suspect more and more WN are going to find themselves in living arrangments that wouldn’t have even crossed their minds just a few years ago. 

Obviously, it is possible that a white activist could have a living arrangement that is financially unsustainable, and he could get into financial trouble as a result.  Suspicious types might be concerned that such a person could be bought off.  But the reality is that people can and do get themselves into financial trouble all over the country, and so to whatever extent such a risk is real, it’s simply one that we are going to have to live with. 

Certainly such a white activist doesn’t owe the movement detailed descriptions of personal matters, unless those personal matters directly impact and contradict the nature of the movement itself.  Yes, I would want to know if Greg had a non-white dependent that he is supporting.  That would be a dealbreaker.  But from that it doesn’t follow that he must explain every jot and tittle of his life, up to and including his choice of zip codes.   

I’m not suggesting that prominent white nationalists are above scrutiny…but there is scrutiny and then there is scrutiny.  There is sincere inquiry and then there is pot stirring.  What talented people in this movement are subjected to is ridiculous, and I suspect quite demoralizing, which presumably is the point. 

 

   

 

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Posted by Savrola on January 01, 2012, 06:57 PM | #

Every annual Wallace/Johnson chimpout gets more boring than the one before it.

In the old days they had a very Southern way of dealing with mountebanks like Hunter and it involved tar and feathers as ingredients.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 01, 2012, 06:58 PM | #

Note please: This whole totally childish, unproductive back-and-forth was begun by JRichards needlessly and unfairly castigating vdare, c-c, and Ron Paul. In line with Richards’s own accusatory and conspiratorial mentality, it would be natural to wonder whether Richards himself is a false plant of some type.

There ought really to be an informal rule: No criticism of nationalists except of the quality of their ideas or strategies. As I’ve stated before (for decades now, actually):

If a man looks white, acts white, and fights white, he’s white.

Perhaps I should add “writes white” in the future.

Anything that advances the empowerment (EGI) of whites should be encouraged. Who cares if someone would rather write about black crime than Jewish media control? Who cares even if that person is Jewish? Of course, if that same writer were to attack another writer for anti-Semitism, then we would know we’re dealing with someone with impure, controlling motives.

As I keep saying, any movement to save the white race is necessarily going to be a “house with many rooms”, “a broad church”, “big tent”, or whatever metaphor suggesting, perhaps with unintentional irony, inclusivity. There just aren’t that many whites who at present care about the race for white preservationists to be choosy. Criticism should therefore be directed at white leftists and traitors, not fellow WPs of differing nationalities, hewing to different metaphysical traditions, or advocating different tactics or strategies (as long as the tactics advocated are not so extreme that they jeopardize the ability of other nationalists to carry on the struggle in their own ways).

At present, no intellectual or ideological tendency is strong enough to dominate. And our overall strength is so pitiful that internecine conflict must be kept to an absolute minimum.

This is common sense, not rocket science.

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Posted by Savrola on January 01, 2012, 07:02 PM | #

any publishing operation has to start from the heartland. Kansas-Oklahoma-Nebraska.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 01, 2012, 07:04 PM | #

It is scummy to charge $13.99 for an E-book that is available for free.

I have to ask: Are you the person responsible for the pirate editions of The Lightning and the Sun and Pilgrimage?

I confess. There’s just no fooling you. I’m as evil as the little Jews who compiled the bible, and I’ll soon be just as rich. Every time some dumbass redneck plops down $13.99 for my pirated copies of books that I’ve stolen from my best friend’s teenage daughter, I take my cut of the booty. Put $3.17 worth of unleaded in my Coup de Ville, and go out cruising in the rural equivalent of the Castro district.

Eat your heart out, Doc.

wink

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Posted by Thorn on January 01, 2012, 07:08 PM | #

Just sent a check for 50 USD to VDARE. I’ve been doing so twice a year for the past two years. I find VDARE a tremendous value. Very useful.  A world class site. One of the best.

I must say I’m not familiar with CC.  I’ll be sure to check it out though.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 07:08 PM | #

Stolz: I do not want the money of people who think it entitles them to second guess where I live. It is none of your business. End of discussion.

Trainspotter: California is full of brown freeloaders, but the one I support is of the canine variety.

I hope that the cat people can forgive me.

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Posted by FB on January 01, 2012, 07:09 PM | #

Trainspotter, are you Greg’s mouthpiece or partner? My issues of TOQ finally arrive on time, since he’s gone. My views on race approximate Richard McCulloch’s and Wilmot Robertson’s: I’d rather see the Northrn European genotype survive, so I have a problem with a self-proclaimed WN who’s nonchalant about Nords mating with Turks, and I assume other non-European Caucasoids.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 07:24 PM | #

Brown: Your issues come with the seasons because one of my last acts as editor was to terminate volume nine at two issues and declare the next issue volume 10, no. 1, thus magically making them “on time.”

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Posted by stolz on January 01, 2012, 07:25 PM | #

As the economic casualities mount, I suspect more and more WN are going to find themselves in living arrangments that wouldn’t have even crossed their minds just a few years ago.

More and more WNs going to live in cities like San Francisco? Whites have been fleeing California.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 07:27 PM | #

Brown: Your characterization of my views on Turks is a distortion. People who want to see how Brown’s mind works should compare his account to the original, in the following discussion thread:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/12/white-nationalist-race-mixers/

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Posted by stolz on January 01, 2012, 07:36 PM | #

People have limited resources to invest. When making investment decisions, it’s legitimate to consider the costs associated with a given operation so people know how their money is being allocated and how far it will go.

Average rent in San Francisco is around $2,000/month. $25,000 would pay about a year’s rent. So who knows if a donation would be going to fund a worthwhile new project.

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Posted by FB on January 01, 2012, 07:44 PM | #

So if you were a German who married a white Turkish woman, I can understand your German family being upset, even though if you were a German American marrying a Turkish American, your choice would be a bit unusual, but not alarming.

I call that nonchalant.

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 07:47 PM | #

Dr. Johnson,

I tried it on Facebook but I’ll give it a go here. I’m in the Milipitas right now and I’ve offered to drive up to San Francisco and treat you (and Andrew of BANA and any other Counter-Currents staff) to dinner at The Stinking Rose tonight or tomorrow night.

Consider that my donation to Counter-Currents this year. I like to see where my money goes.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 01, 2012, 07:49 PM | #

so pitiful that internecine conflict must be kept to an absolute minimum.

Bullshit, “Leon”. What’s pitiful is a nominal White nationalist, like yourself, who’s too afraid to let his physical existence and whereabouts become known to his kameraden. That’s pathetic, and it grieves me to point it out, but it’s become too obvious to ignore, and I have no intention of letting up on it until you agree to a sit-down.

I’ll be in Sacramento at the end of February for a demonstration with the S. African Genocide Project. Maybe we could rendezvous in the bay area for a get-together in Dr. Johnson’s hot tub, or if you would be more comfortable, I could try to arrange something with the Golden State Skinheads?

I don’t see why we can’t all get along if we make an effort, but the only effort I see you making is to stay on the lam. What’s that all about?

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 07:51 PM | #

Leon,

I can vouch for Jimmy’s integrity and respect for privacy. He knows plenty about me.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 01, 2012, 07:52 PM | #

I like to see where my money goes.

Atta boy, Dj. It’s time to close the ranks a bit.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 01, 2012, 07:55 PM | #

I repeat:

To reiterate a frequent complaint of mine: anyone noticed how MR has declined this year? How many regulars of old are gone? Forget good guys like Scrooby or Notus Wind, or even the to my mind somewhat annoying, but still consequential, James Bowery and Grimoire. Where is Wandrin, Dasein, Armor, Gudmund, Trainspotter, Gorbudoc, anon from Belize, and others I’ve forgotten? I warned GW about this. The Richards/Helvena/dc/GentoType faction is driving everyone away. Like we’re Mossad or ADL agents if we hesitate over 9-11 conspiracies or support the gold standard or Ron Paul.

I stay mainly because I like MR’s graphic layout, instant comments, and learning about our Anglo brothers across the sea. But I’m tired of having my motives questioned, and I’d like to see higher intellectual types back in the comments.

OK, Trainspotter is back, but the general point stands: MR needs to return to being run as it was before 2011. Allowing JRichards to turn the website into his personal plaything risks turning it into nothing.

Jimmy Marr @77,

That was funny.

Thorn,

When my pals finally get their America First nationalism site up and running, I hope you’ll visit it, not because we want your donations (not sure if they will be accepting any, at least for a while), but because you’re the mentally stable type we’d like in the Middle American movement we want to build, and which needs building (Hunter, too - though no “phishing” scandals or whatever the problem was).

vdare is excellent for this historical moment. Even AR, let alone MR, CC, TOQ, etc, are too extreme for where Americans are ideologically. What is needed for Americans is a process of gradual racial radicalization, beginning with the development of what Sam Francis wanted: Middle American nationalism. This type of nationalism is pro-white America, but implicitly so. Instead of harping on sociobiological truths (let alone the tactical [and I would say metaphysical] insanity of NSM or North American New Right anti-Christianity),

it seeks to rally white Americans around issues which implicitly empower whites, but where opposition is perfectly justifiable along race-neutral lines

. Such issues would include ending immigration, abolishing affirmative action, opposing multiculti lies in schools, opposing vouchers for minorities to invade white private schools, nationwide disenfranchisement of felons, protecting gun rights, opposing hate crimes laws, etc etc.

This is the next stage in developing the racial consciousness of whites, in pushing the envelope, so to speak. It is also necessary that white Americans, for whom there is not now any Northwest Front (let alone foreign, sovereign, White Zion) that they can emigrate to, start developing pro-white pressure groups (which is what the new site will be for) to protect their interests in this coming one man, one vote, nonwhite majority America. Republicans must no longer be allowed to ‘pocket’ white votes while ignoring our concerns. Yet, as Jared taylor asked in the first issue of AR, who speaks for us - and, I would add, does so in a way that is not so racist (or even race-realist) that it turns off the white majority (even the majority of white conservatives, who themselves have been brainwashed by an as yet mostly unchallenged, predominant, heretical, race-liberal version of our ancient Christian faith)?

Instead of speaking the languages of ontology and science (even though understanding those truths is vital for at least white leaders), nationalists should be talking in the vernacular of ethics. The emphasis for whites themselves must be on removing or ameliorating the causes of white victimization and oppression, not trumpeting our power, superiority, or pessimistic ideologies of endless, evolutionary conflict (though I happen to think the latter scientifically true, which is why racial sovereignty or the White Republic is finally the best solution). If whites are forced to choose between what they perceive to be injustice towards individuals of different races based on collectivist abstractions, or simply doing nothing to end the racial drift to nonwhite dominance and persecution, whites will do nothing until it is too late (as has been the case thus far). I’m not happy about this, and I thought back in the 80s that by now there would have been some kind of generalized white backlash, especially re closing the borders. But the brainwashing of whites has been very effective. And the defenders of white America have too often spoken the languages of unemotional science and power politics, instead of the softer and more palatable language of ethics and fairness.

And here we are, and without a differing approach, will remain, grumbling among ourselves as the nation darkens and decays.

Greg Johnson,

You owe a statement of your views re the Turks (and Islam more generally).

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 08:03 PM | #

Stolz, the question is academic, since I don’t want your money.

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 08:10 PM | #

beginning with the development of what Sam Francis wanted: Middle American nationalism.

Liar.

He wanted middle American RADICALISM! Don’t compare yourself to Sam Francis or Joe Sobran ever.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 08:14 PM | #

Brown quotes me as follows then adds a comment:

So if you were a German who married a white Turkish woman, I can understand your German family being upset, even though if you were a German American marrying a Turkish American, your choice would be a bit unusual, but not alarming.

I call that nonchalant.

Now observe the quote in context:

Chris
Posted December 19, 2011 at 12:24 am | Permalink | Edit

I’ve been married to a Turk for 5 years. She is white (like a lot of Turks in Istanbul, İzmir and other western cities in Turkey), and so are her family. Would this be considered as race-mixing?
Reply

  Greg Johnson
  Posted December 19, 2011 at 1:00 am | Permalink | Edit

  Well, if you are white too, then I would not consider it race-mixing.

  But a common race is really not sufficient as a foundation for a common identity, and different white peoples who are concerned to maintain their distinct subracial, ethnic, and religious identities would naturally view the idea that people are suitable marriage partners simply if they are white as profoundly subversive. In the United States, where whites are increasingly of mixed European stock, such compact ethnic identities are impediments to our racial solidarity and survival.

  But in Europe, where there are still robust national and subnational identities, a merely white nationalism is subversive of their ethnic-genetic interests — although these same interests require the European nations remain at peace with one another and constitute a civilizational bloc that can counter-balance America and China, and these aims require that a sense of European common identity supervene upon more compact identities — but not to replace and undermine them.

  So if you were a German who married a white Turkish woman, I can understand your German family being upset, even though if you were a German American marrying a Turkish American, your choice would be a bit unusual, but not alarming.

  Religion is another factor. I think that Europeans are right to be concerned with preventing the spread of Islam in Europe, regardless of the racial quality of Muslims. Even if every Muslim looked like Anders Breivik, their religion/culture is profoundly alien and destructive not just of Christian Europe, but pagan and secular Europe as well. So although I am not religious myself, I would be alarmed at a marriage to a practicing Muslim, or a non-practicing Muslim whose family might join her here.

  So it’s more complicated than just race.

Brown is engaged in deliberate deception, dear reader. Get the message, then hang up the phone.

 

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 08:18 PM | #

Dr. Johnson,

I tried it on Facebook but I’ll give it a go here. I’m in the Milipitas right now and I’ve offered to drive up to San Francisco and treat you (and Andrew of BANA and any other Counter-Currents staff) to dinner at The Stinking Rose tonight or tomorrow night.

Consider that my donation to Counter-Currents this year. I like to see where my money goes.

Daniel,

I am always interested in meeting WNs in California. I am otherwise engaged tonight and tomorrow.

Another time would be fine.

I don’t know what became of Andrew Yeoman. He has disappeared.

Contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

 

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Posted by FB on January 01, 2012, 08:29 PM | #

Somebody of German stock marrying a Turk is “not alarming” for Johnson. Where’s the line, assuming there’s one, for him? Based on that, wherever it is, it is too far for me. The reader can decide for himself who’se blowing smoke here. To me WN is about preserving the EGI of my in-group, what else could it be? Now, that doesn’t mean CC isn’t producing good material on a variety of other themes. It’s one of a handful of sites I visit at least once every 2 weeks.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 08:34 PM | #

Again, Brown is being disingenuous. What value do the words of liars and trimmers and twisters have for our serious business? None that I can see.

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 08:35 PM | #

It’s always been my position that anonymity is a huge problem. We need to be real, good looking, fashionable and totally cool with ourselves and our ideas. I have no problem with this in real life and I can’t fathom why anybody else would.

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Posted by Gudmund on January 01, 2012, 08:46 PM | #

The emphasis for whites themselves must be on removing or ameliorating the causes of white victimization and oppression, not trumpeting our power, superiority, or pessimistic ideologies of endless, evolutionary conflict

This is what I meant when I responded to Silver the other day.  White nationalism is generally based upon ideas that are badly out of place in present-day America.  WN ideas rooted in social Darwinism and bearing similarities to fascism had their time in America (at least in terms of public interest), and that time was the first half of the 20th century.  That approach will not work now or in the foreseeable future.

This is anecdotal, but when I speak with relatively conservative Americans about racial matters, they tend to drift off.  It makes them uncomfortable.  I suspect that a more effective approach in America would be based on liberal bedrock.  To clarify, what I mean is that racialism in America would work best if we restore freedom of association as a matter of law and policy.  Whites already assortatively migrate (to use Bowery’s term) - take that a step farther and you already have a far more sane basis for the polity.

There are some who say that a moderate form of racialism can, in fact, never coexist with liberalism, but I find that argument unpersuasive because, as Dan Dare has often pointed out, there were many liberal states prior to WWII that had de facto racialism legally and politically (i.e. 1924 American immigration law, white Australia policy, limited migration of colored colonials to UK, etc).

Mind you, all of this ignores the problem I’ve outlined many times before regarding the nature of the modern managerial state and how its pilots will move to block any meaningful reform.  There are too many people who benefit from the current state of affairs to imagine some easy solution.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 01, 2012, 08:48 PM | #

I can vouch for Jimmy’s integrity and respect for privacy.

Thanks danielj. You know, if White nationalism doesn’t take-off like we hope, and my pirate publishing enterprise fizzles, I’d like to discuss starting a stalker’s referral network with you to serve the demands of our diaspora.

Keep it quiet for now, though. If Matt Parrott hears about this, he’s gonna be all over it. We could be like frickin’ Mormons in search of the Lost Sheep of Israel, or some such bullshit.

We’ll get some cool new threads, too (not underwear). Even Leon won’t be able to resist this idea!

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Posted by FB on January 01, 2012, 08:54 PM | #

Johnson, people can read for themselves. Don’t call me names when I’m quoting you. An effete childless middle aged homosexual who wants to be a WN leader should show a degree of circumspection. Perhaps Linder has a point when he referes to you as “an untrustworthy, lying fag”?

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Posted by stolz on January 01, 2012, 08:56 PM | #

Stolz, the question is academic, since I don’t want your money.

I’m speaking of people generally.

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 08:59 PM | #

This is what I meant when I responded to Silver the other day.  White nationalism is generally based upon ideas that are badly out of place in present-day America.

This is the point Uh (and me to a lesser extent) has been trying to make.

White Nationalism is irrelevant when something like GERMAN GOO GIRLS exists.

It’s the equivalent of starting the Protestant Reformation in 2012.

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 09:06 PM | #

Thanks danielj. You know, if White nationalism doesn’t take-off like we hope, and my pirate publishing enterprise fizzles, I’d like to discuss starting a stalker’s referral network with you to serve the demands of our diaspora.

I’m still a big fan of trying to get folks to New England. All the boys I know from Washington/Oregon are down mother-fuckaz too though. It’s the winter. We are ice people. These people have good instincts man.

I’m pretty certain I’m going to start my farm in Rhode Island. It’ll be like a racialist version of King’s The Stand. Straight up field cracka version of Salatin’s Christian Chicken Ranch!

We’ll get some cool new threads, too (not underwear). Even Leon won’t be able to resist this idea!

I just phased out all my Fruits and went with jet-black Calvin’s. I’m too cool for school. But I don’t want Johnson to get a boner at dinner so stop with the fashion talk.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 01, 2012, 09:12 PM | #

Encouraging upturn in the American economy

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 09:18 PM | #

Stolz: I don’t want money from anybody who attaches strings of any kind.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 09:26 PM | #

Brown writes:

Johnson, people can read for themselves. Don’t call me names when I’m quoting you. An effete childless middle aged homosexual who wants to be a WN leader should show a degree of circumspection. Perhaps Linder has a point when he referes to you as “an untrustworthy, lying fag”?

Please provide a citation for the Linder quote. I would hate to think that he regards me as untrustworthy and dishonest.

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Posted by HFA on January 01, 2012, 09:48 PM | #

Yeoman dropped off the radar shortly after his failed attempt at organizing a Koran burning on OD (early 2011), and the ensuing war of words with Troy Southgate.

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Posted by Dan Dare on January 01, 2012, 09:55 PM | #

I hadn’t been aware of Greg Johnson or his website until just now, but after a brief review I have to say I am quite impressed.

I think it offers something for MR to emulate, especially in its cultural dimension (historical essays, film and book reviews, etc.) which is these days sadly lacking here. The relative absence of cyber-melodrama and open vendetta is also quite refreshing.

Politically it is a little too US-centric (translation: parochial) for my taste otherwise I would probably plan to spend more time there.

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Posted by FB on January 01, 2012, 09:59 PM | #

Linder clearly thinks Johnson is a homosexual pedophile, a liar and dishonest.


http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=105453&page=2


Quote:
Linder called me a homosexual because he was pissed at me for publicly disagreeing with his constant diatribes against Sam Francis, Jared Taylor, Patrick Buchanan, and Peter Brimelow. Linder doesn’t know anything about my personal life, but he was unscrupulous enough to make the charge anyway.

Completely wrong and irrelevant - but notice Johnson’s M.O. I call Johnson a queer, he responds with a bunch of non-sequiturs. What has his position on these other men got to do with my calling him a queer? If I attack these men and their defenders, as I do, that’s an unrelated issue. I called Johnson a queer because he is a queer, and I want to know how many other queers he is drawing into WN. I think everyone ought to be concerned about that.

Quote:
2) I guess he felt he could make it stick because I wrote a piece for VNN attacking the low-brow gay bashing on the site.
I don’t remember this piece. What relevance does it have anyway? None. Why would a straight WN care about “gay bashing” anyway? Why would a supposed WN use the judeo-left euphemism “gay” anyway, rather than the objective homosexual or the accurate ‘queer’?

Quote:
But you should know that Alex has no principled opposition to homosexuality, since he co-founded VNN with a lesbian and published my anti-gay bashing piece in the first place.
It’s true I have no principled opposition to homosexuals as writers. I do have a principled opposition to them as editors and leaders. As I have said. You see how intelligent men suddenly forget how to make distinctions when it serves their interests.

It is true, as far as I know, that Regina Belser was/is a lesbian. She never hid it. The reason I worked with her was that she knew html, while I did not, and she was willing to post my daily writing on a website. At that point I did not know enough to set up a site and post my work, so, since she did, I thought it was best to have her do that. She was middle-aged when we started, and her sexuality really wasn’t relevant. Except in one way - and this was something I was not fully aware of when I started, and in fact is the basis of my position on homos today. My principled position, as opposed to the lies of the homosexual Greg Johnson.

Regina Belser was, in effect, my editor for a brief period of time. She bailed when we had our first legal run in, when Vanguard Financial Services tried to bluff us out of our url. I told them to go fuck themselves, and nothing further was heard. The threat was enough to drive her off, however. That aside, during the period in which she was, in effect, my editor, she duly and professionally posted everything I wrote with one exception: she could not bring herself to post a spintro I wrote on the close association between homsexuals and pedophiles. This was the first time I realized that queers, even females, are very, very worried about anyone making the basic observation that many of those blasted by the general media as pedophiles are in factor homosexuals (male homosexuals, almost always). This discovery, again, brought on by her refusal to post my words, showed me that homosexuals have no place being editors of any publication that deals with politics. That is my principled position today. Greg Johnson is a homosexual. My guess, based on his career with VNN, is that he is a chickenhawk - a male homosexual who likes teenage boys. I think is quite possible, in fact, that he is pedophile. You will notice in his words that nowhere in any of his letters or interviews does he deny being a homosexual. What he does, every time he is challenged, is spew non-sequiturs and try to redirect the discussion to some irrelevant topic.

Greg Johnson is a homosexual. He won’t admit that fact. I wonder what else he is hiding.

I don’t even think Greg Johnson is his real name. Every other Ph.D. out there has his bio and his publications up front. With “Greg Johnson,” these are nowhere to be found.

Who is “Greg Johnson”? What is his background? What is his agenda?

The answers to none of these questions are known.

Quote:
He is just pretending outrage because he is a demagogue who will use any charge to try to smear me. There is no point in responding to accusations like that, because they are not honest. If you respond to one, he will just throw out another one.
Again - notice that Johnson does not deny that he is a queer. All he does is malign the motives of others, he never once disputes the facts or answers the questions. “Greg Johnson,” almost certainly not his real or full name, is hiding something, and possibly a number of things. He needs to come clean.

Regina Belser never hid what she was. Nor did I hide what she was, altho it was hardly relevant since she was technical aid, with the one exception mentioned above.

Everything at VNN has always been above board, straight and honest. “Greg Johnson,” a homosexual, came to VNN under false pretenses. He should have disclosed he was a queer up front. That would have been the honorable, Aryan path. But “Greg Johnson” and TOQ do not follow the path of honor.

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Now he is claiming that I “pretended to be a woman”—which conjures up the image of a transvestite. The truth is that one my many pen names was “The Cat Lady.” Sure it is a dumb pen name. But I got tired of hearing that White Nationalists need to soften their message to appeal to women. So I created a female persona who was more hardcore than Alex Linder.
This is the same “Greg Johnson” who complains about being outed, even though I have never outed him save give him huge praise for a brilliant review of a Jim Goad book (and I never mentioned the name he wrote it under) - yet he outs himself. Well, I’ll confirm it. “Greg Johnson” did write reviews under a female name. Very odd thing to do, if you ask me.

Just imagine… You’re a grown man. You go out, of an afternoon, to a “Spy Kids” movie - a movie aimed at 8-12-year old children. You know that you are going to write a review of this movie under the name “The Cat Lady.” Or at least that’s your cover story. Must be kind of weird. Did you wear a raincoat and sunglasses, “Greg”? You see any cute kids in the audience? Just imagine…amid all these families and groups of kids watching this movie is a lone male adult. Fucking naaaaasty.

Ick, “Greg.” Ick.

You’re goddam right I wonder about you, Brown Johnson. The only question left in my mind is just how young you like them, “Greg Johnson.” I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if you’re a pedophile. I’m just warning other White Nationalists that you are an entity of unknown origin and unknown name pursuing an unknown agenda. You are certainly a queer, and very possibly a chickenhawk or pedophile.

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Posted by J Richards on January 01, 2012, 10:44 PM | #

J.M. @56

To add to your comment, Hunter Wallace, persisting in spite of being thoroughly exposed, is consistent with two possibilities.

The first is that he’s a desperate Jew who must persist.  The second is that the desperate Juden can’t retire him and must try to get as many naive persons misled by him as possible.  I’m not sure which of these is true, perhaps the second. 

Notice Wallace’s behavior above.  Superficially, it appears that Wallace is critiquing Greg Johnson by bringing in the money Johnson’s asking for.  Actually he’s helping Johnson (same goes for Trainspotter)...when Johnson comes in to respond, he just addresses the need for money, which is irrelevant.  The main issue of relevance is the work for which the money is being asked for and the secondary issue is who provided a large amount of donations in a short time for a relatively unknown low-traffic website… things Johnson doesn’t address.

Others, like FB, are helping Johnson, too, by derailing the discussion to Johnson’s alleged homosexuality.  What really matters is why a website with the intentions Johnson claims is spreading disinformation on money (kerry Bolton), lying about 9/11 (Johnson et. al.), condemning serious criticism of Jews (Michael O’Meara), ridiculing evidence of Jewish malfeasance (Matt Parrott), etc.

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Posted by J Richards on January 01, 2012, 11:06 PM | #

Lew @16

Your list @ 7 proves Graham Lister’s point about confirmation bias. There must be hundreds of articles on CC. You selected the handful that support your point (or that you believe support your point) and ignored the rest.

Not so.  Kerry Bolton’s arguments on money are the best they have.  If they have good arguments that counter this disinformation and I didn’t cite them, you may have a point.  Similarly, their 9/11 series that I covered sums up their stance toward it, and if they had decent articles that took a very different stance on 911 and I failed to cite them, you may have a point. 

If they had serious criticism of Jewry to offer in contrast to O’Meara’s condemnation of it, you may have a point…and so on.

If you have a point, you haven’t cited links to show that you do.

Lew @29

Why would Jews “pay off” Greg Johnson with an amount that small [~ 25k]?

This is just the paypal donations.  There are lots of other ways of delivering money, and it’s not like they’ll give him a huge amount without having him prove his worth [build website traffic, attracting authors, etc.].

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Posted by Matt Parrott on January 01, 2012, 11:06 PM | #

I would take the time to refute the charges that I’m a Jewish apologist in intolerable magic underpants, but it appears my civilization is under an existential assault on a number of fronts. I’ll have to get back to you on that.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 01, 2012, 11:16 PM | #

Brown: Yikes! I had forgotten just how vicious Linder had gotten. Just as I shall forget you.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 01, 2012, 11:22 PM | #

FB,

I’m not a homosexual, nor do I think it just another “alternative lifestyle”. True pedophiles should be shot (I emphasize true, however; a nineteen year old guy having sex with his seventeen year old girlfriend is not a pedophile).

That said, should queers be banned from WN? Why are you worried about Johnson (whom I seem to recall has acknowledged being homosexual, here at MR, or maybe elsewhere)? I like counter-currents, even if I will never agree with its hostility to Christianity. It seems we should be grateful for the work being done there, regardless of who’s doing it.

danielj,

Liar.

He wanted middle American RADICALISM! Don’t compare yourself to Sam Francis or Joe Sobran ever.

Your knowledge of Francis is obviously exceptionally limited. Read his classic essay from Chronicles in one of the 1991-1992 issues entitled “Nationalism: Old and New”, or the collection inhis book Revolution from the Middle. His Middle American radicalism was Middle American nationalism, you twat. He wanted non-Establishment white Americans to mobilize as a group to defend themselves (and by extension, America) against the internal subversion of their racial enemies, as well as foreign colonization by racial aliens.

I must conclude that you either know nothing of Francis, or nothing of nationalism.

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Posted by danielj on January 01, 2012, 11:34 PM | #

Shut the fuck up Leon.

You’re a moron.

Don’t push me. I’ll find that gay bar in Orange County that caters to Gentile twinks that like getting pounded by Jewish bears and bust your fucking spokes.

Nobody gives a squirt a nigger’s piss about anything you have to say.

WE ALL ALREADY KNOW WHERE THE LIBERTYFUND AND LEW ROCKWELL WEBSITES ARE!

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 02, 2012, 12:05 AM | #

Danielj:

Please try to be more delicate in your dealings with Leon. Squirts of piss are the least of his worries and gentler methods are available to facilitate their expression.

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Posted by WhiteWanderingAround on January 02, 2012, 12:16 AM | #

1. Wants toleration of alternative lifestyles.
2. Obsessed with money and keeping his true identity secret.
3. Lives in a major city that is known for being extreme left and degenerate.
4. Has a major supporter who advocates pederasty.
5. Does not own a car.
6. Socially shuns people who give to Ron Paul (Johnson really sounded like a queen when he said this).
7. Paranoid about Christianity and openly advocates against it.
8. Wants toleration of mixed couples and Turk/German marriages.
9. Advocates government provided healthcare (so much for his earlier eugenics stance)  and expresses fear that if government doesn’t provide social services then people might have to rely on Christian charities!!!
10. Tolerant of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and all sorts of esoteric beliefs but radically against Christianity.
11. Quickly creates enemies and divisions within the movements he joins (previously Objectivism and now White Nationalism).

The local Jew ? No, a major figure in White Nationalism.  Just replace the “how will it affect the jew” question with “how will it affect the homo” and you will know what drives Gregory Johnson’s positions.

The fact that Gregory Johnson is a homosexual explains the source of the money: more likely homos giving him money than jews.  I just hope he isn’t living with Michael Polignano because that would be gross.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 02, 2012, 12:22 AM | #

Haller writes:

Why are you worried about Johnson (whom I seem to recall has acknowledged being homosexual, here at MR, or maybe elsewhere)?

Not true. I have never said anything of the kind. But neither did I deny it. 

Once accusations like that go out into the trollsphere, there is no point in affirming or denying them, because neither answer will change anything. If I claimed that Brown likes to have sex dressed as a cartoon mouse, that proposition is either true or false, but the proper answer is neither to affirm nor deny it but to point out that the claim is arbitrary, because I am in no position to know one way or another; I am just pulling it out of the air, with obviously malicious motives. That was my reply to Linder.

If a person is willing to use arbitrary accusations merely to hurt another person, it is absurd to think that he would accept either an admission or a denial at face value. Indeed, he would just counter them with other, equally arbitrary and malicious claims. In Linder’s case, he tipped his hand as to what was next: the accusation of pedophilia. Disgusting.

I might joust with trolls from time to time, but I never take them too seriously. Internet forms are not the real world. They are just a make-believe worlds full of fakers telling lies.

 

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Posted by stolz on January 02, 2012, 12:27 AM | #

Tolerating Turk/German marriages is absurd. The immigration and multikulti problem in Germany is basically a Turkish problem. Turks are the main non-German immigrants in Germany.

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Posted by Dan Dare on January 02, 2012, 12:34 AM | #

Nevertheless it does strike me to be of some importance whether or not homosexuals have a legitimate role to play as spokesmen for the White Nationalist movement.

What are you your views on that question, Mr. Johnson?

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Posted by Geb on January 02, 2012, 12:34 AM | #

Turks are not White, period. Like lots of Near East Asiatics they are muslim thieves and should be booted from White lands. They have been a constant threat to European peoples and customs as long as they have lived, and a constant gateway for the filth of Islam and its accompanying slave raids.

Down with Turks and their Leftist enablers.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 02, 2012, 12:39 AM | #

WhiteWanderingAround: Sam Dickson’s talking points refracted through an unusually cracked, disorganized, and hysterical brain. There are only a few dozen people who fit that profile. Keep talking, so I can hone in on the voice. I know the ventriloquist. The only question is who is the dummy.

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Posted by WLW on January 02, 2012, 12:43 AM | #

Socially shuns people who give to Ron Paul (Johnson really sounded like a queen when he said this).

This is probably why:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/274188/20111229/ron-paul-supporter-advocates-death-penalty-homosexuals.htm

A prominent supporter of Republican presidential aspirant Ron Paul has advocated for the capital punishment of homosexuals.

The Reverend Phillip Kayser, pastor of Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Nebraska, who recently announced his support for the Texas congressman, wrote a paper a few years ago which claimed the Bible allowed for the murder of gay people, according to Talking Points Memo (TPM).

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“Under a Ron Paul presidency, states would be freed up to not have political correctness imposed on them, but obviously some state would follow what’s politically correct,” Kayser told TPM.

“What [Paul is] trying to do, whether he agrees with the Constitution’s position or not, is restrict himself to the Constitution. That is something I very much appreciate.”

Paul’s Iowa campaign chairman, Drew Ivers had earlier crowed about Kayser’s endorsement, praising “the enlightening statements [Kayser] makes on how Ron Paul’s approach to government is consistent with Christian beliefs.”

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 02, 2012, 12:54 AM | #

Dan Dare: I think your question is premised on a misunderstanding. There are no “spokesmen” who “represent” a unified movement. There are different groups and grouplets with spokesmen, and there are many individuals who speak for themselves. Among these individuals are homosexuals, some of them more or less open homosexuals, e.g., Jack Donovan, who calls himself an androphile, and James O’Meara, both of whom I publish at Counter-Currents because I think their work contributes to White Nationalist metapolitics. They speak for themselves. And our other writers speak for themselves. And our readers are free to take anything they encounter at Counter-Currents or leave it as they judge best. If people are not comfortable with Donovan or O’Meara, they can simply skip them.

For clarification of my views of metapolitics, see my interview with Alex Kurtagic: http://www.counter-currents.com/2010/11/interview-with-greg-johnson/

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Posted by WLW on January 02, 2012, 12:57 AM | #

San Francisco may be world’s gayest city: report

http://web.archive.org/web/20060409104514/http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060407/2006-04-07T233012Z_01_N07310796_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-LIFE-SANFRANCISCO-DC.html

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - New statistics suggest San Francisco has the highest percentage of gay men among major cities in the world, with a quarter of them HIV-positive, a top city health official said on Friday.

“Despite an overall loss in the population in San Francisco in the last five years, we think there has been an absolute gain in gay men,” William McFarland, head of HIV/AIDS statistics at San Francisco’s Department of Public Health, said in an interview. “From all the data I have seen ... it’s the gayest city in the world.”

McFarland has compiled the city’s first survey in five years on gay men and HIV to be presented at a meeting next week to discuss HIV/AIDS prevention.

He said it found an estimated 63,577 gay males aged 15 and above in San Francisco, a city with a total population of 764,000. That figure represents nearly one in five of the city’s males above the age of 15.

0ne out of every four gay males—25.8 percent—is infected with the HIV virus, giving San Francisco an estimated total of 16,401 HIV-positive men, said McFarland, an epidemiologist who has also worked on studies in Uganda, Zimbabwe and Egypt.

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Posted by Kike on January 02, 2012, 12:57 AM | #

First they came for the g-ddamned faggots…

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Posted by Lew on January 02, 2012, 01:52 AM | #

@J Richards

If [CC] had serious criticism of Jewry to offer in contrast to O’Meara’s condemnation of it, you may have a point…and so on.

This article contains the most serious criticism of Jews I have ever seen anywhere.

It is review of the book Helllstorm by J.A. Sexton.

The author clearly indicates that JEWS were responsible for the worst atrocities committed during WW2.

Excerpt:

I’ve often pondered what the concept “hell” entailed; what it means to be living in the absence of “God,” the supreme creative force behind all life. After reading Thomas Goodrich’s breathtaking and physically nauseating analytical narrative of the burnt offering – Holocaust – of Germany I now know what hell looks like and how its inhabitants live and behave.

Relentless, reckless, and senseless hate of a magnitude so profound, so immense, that I am still unable to understand it. And then the irony of it all: that former inhabitants of Europe – Europeans – were responsible for inculcating hell in their own Heimat (homeland).

Who but the Devil itself could make a family turn on itself, causing it to tear itself apart in such a murderous, inhuman fashion that the victims are left unrecognizable after all the torture, abuse, burning, systematic rape, and beatings subsides?

Who or what could inspire such madness? Thomas Goodrich answers this question silently, subtly, but matter-of-factly – the Jews in Communist Russia (the former USSR) and Capitalist America and Britain.

Excerpt:

The thought of being burned alive is horrific, but the thought of being burned alive because you are trapped in melted asphalt and literally stuck by your own disfigured hands and knees and screaming — in either agony or for salvation from passers-by, or perhaps both — is worse; perhaps even worse than that is being boiled alive in the air raid shelters designed to keep you safe because steam pipes have burst open, unleashing their scorching wrath upon you – just one of millions of victims of Allied “morale bombing”: Victims of your own White racial brethren driven to absolute base madness and inhumanity by Jewish propagandists in the “liberal democracies”.

What did you do to be burned or boiled alive? What was your crime?

You supported Adolf Hitler, the man who dared to stand up to international finance and the Jewish system of systematic international monetary and spiritual enslavement.

THAT was your “crime” and the “crime” of millions of other “statistics” in Germany and Europe who were incinerated, melted, tortured, strafed, raped or blown into body parts by their own racial and cultural kindred in the USSR, Britain and America.

The core of the firestorms often reached 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit; the flames 1,300 to 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit. A Holocaust in the truest sense of the word: a burnt offering of the Germanic race – women, children, refugees, POWs, the elderly, and even animals at the Berlin Zoo – to the Christian-Jewish “god” Jahve. The truth is that this was the single largest burnt offering of human flesh to the Devil in recorded history. And for what? For what did hundreds of thousands of German victims suffer: international finance Capitalism.

So that a few people, mostly ethnic Jews, could continue to make money from money; so that a handful of international “bankers” could continue to enslave and exploit hundreds of millions of human beings.

Excerpt:

No crimes in recorded human history surpass those inflicted against Germany and Europe by the United States, Great Britain and the former United Soviet Socialist Republics – all with Jewish spiritual, media and financial backing and support.


http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/01/thomas-goodrichs-hellstorm/

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Posted by Weird Stuff on January 02, 2012, 02:09 AM | #

http://www.sfswedenborgian.org/Sermons/2010sermons.asp

Spiritual Message by Gregory Johnson, Ph.D., December 19, 2010
Scripture readings: Isaiah 7:10-18 and Luke 2:1-20
Gregory R. Johnson, Ph.D., is a Swedenborg scholar living in San Francisco. He is the author of the introductions to Swedenborg’s Divine Love and Wisdom, Divine Providence, and The Soul-Body Interaction in the Swedenborg Foundation’s New Century Edition of Swedenborg’s works. He is currently working on introductions and annotations to Swedenborg’s New Jerusalem and its Heavenly Doctrine, Last Judgment, White Horse, and Other Planets for the New Century Edition. He is the editor and principal translator of Kant on Swedenborg: Dreams of a Spirit-Seer and Other Works (The Swedenborg Foundation, 2003) and the author of many scholarly articles, including “Swedenborg and Swedenborgianism” for the forthcoming Cambridge Handbook of Western Mysticism and Esotericism and “Emanuel Swedenborg” in the forthcoming Continuum Kant Companion. He has delivered Sunday messages at Swedenborgian churches both here in San Francisco and in Cambridge, Mass. and lectured on Swedenborg in the US, Canada, and Germany.

If you go to the link, you can actually listen to Greg’s sermon.  It’s clearly the same guy.  Elsewhere we can learn that he got his Ph.D. at the Catholic University of America.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 02, 2012, 02:19 AM | #

Greg Johnson,

I have no strong opinion re how one should respond to false accusations, but my gut tells me that they should be denied. When some of my enemies here (needless enemies, as I always attack the Left, never the Right, except in self-defense) falsely insinuate I’m a Jew, honor compels me to deny this, as I’m a Roman Catholic (though Protestant on my dad’s side) by religion, and not at all Jewish by race. If I did not issue a denial, I think people would tend to believe “where there’s smoke there’s fire”. That’s human nature.

If you’re not queer, issuing a denial would be convincing enough for those otherwise inclined to support your work. If you are queer, I’m not sure that acknowledging such would ruin your ‘career’ in WN (as I suspect being Jewish or mongrel would, at least in the harder-line environs). [Note, I’m more liberal on that point, too - what do I care if a mongrel Jew advocates border closure? good for him, I say ... until he starts trying to normalize miscegenation, or insinuate a place for himself in White Zion or the White Republic, at which point he can be pensioned off for his services, and booted out.]

Personally, I don’t give a shit if someone’s queer, atheist, Jewish, even nonwhite. I judge his work by its intrinsic merits or faults. Levin’s Why Race Matters is a brilliant work, as is Gottfried’s The Conservative Movement and Multiculturalism and the Politics of Guilt, among other titles. Who cares if those authors are Jews?

The more interesting question, as Dan Dare avers, is “whether or not homosexuals have a legitimate role to play as spokesmen for the White Nationalist movement”. I do think that issue is worthy of discussion, as it’s very complex. Its complexity arises not only from the need to attend to local circumstance (a queer purporting to speak for whites will not get very far in, say, the Carolinas, where I have family), but because it raises questions about the ultimate goals of WN in a positive sense. Most WN is negative, which is perfectly natural given the subject matter. We don’t wish to be dominated by genetically alien groups, and, finally, we don’t wish to be forced to interact with them in the course of our daily lives. Hence the WN qua WN end goal (‘telos’, perhaps?) is one of the following:

a. WNs want freedom of association and non-association, so that they can either have their own sovereign White Republic, or at least their own autonomous communities within a larger mixed-race entity, like the USA; or

b. They are globalist neo-Nazis who want all non-Aryan species of homo sapiens eliminated from the planet.

As a Christian I of course oppose (b), though I do support both options in (a). I would like to see the old European nations once more made exclusively white through mandatory repatriation of all nonwhites. I would like to see a White Republic carved out of somewhere in the New World. And I would like those whites left in North America and Australia/NZ, but outside of the new WR ,to again have the legal right to form exclusionary white communities, as well as to have the power to eliminate present, and successfully oppose future, white traitor + nonwhite majoritarian oppression.

But what then? These goals seem so far out of reach that many WNs hardly feel it worthwhile to speculate on a positive political agenda for a nascent WR, or a re-Europeanized Europe. Still, this is where questions pertaining to the place of not specifically racial concerns do become significant - and have significance looking backward from the WR, as it were, to our politics now.

I’m not only a race-preservationist, but a political conservative, too. In fact, my WN grows out of my conservatism. I recognize the plain fact, as so many ‘conservative’ boneheads do not, that the future success of conservatism is directly tied to the racial composition of the population (I speak as an American, but looking at nonwhite UK voters and their Labour/Tory propensities, I think this holds there, too). I predicted the loss of CA way back in the early 80s. This year the presidential GOP probably won’t even compete in CA, except to fundraise. Our state population is now irreversibly nonwhite, and though the CA-GOP may one day start fielding more minority candidates, they will not be remotely as conservative as Republicans here once were, or as I am. So thanks to the racial change, this is now Liberal Land, forever.

How ought someone like me to think about the “spokesmen” question? On the one hand, I’m grateful to anyone fighting for my race and civilization. On the other hand, though I personally am not very concerned with the Homosexual Question, I recognize that the normalization of homosexuality is an aspect (though hardly the major one) of a broader de-Westernizing agenda which I virulently oppose - and would fight to reverse within any White Republic (in other words, I do not want the Racial State to constitute a violent rupture with the Western past, but rather, to be an organic continuation of it, to the extent possible).

It’s not an easy issue for me to resolve. I do know I’m not interested in a WN that is essentially modern socialist, secularist, sexual revolutionist liberalism minus racial minorities.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 02, 2012, 02:23 AM | #

Weird Stuff,

Maybe, but circumstantial. A Swedenborgian Nietzschean? Weirder stuff there has been, but still ...

Perhaps Dr. Johnson will tell us about himself. Like where he got his doctorate.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 02, 2012, 02:25 AM | #

Jimmy Marr and danielj,

Not sure why you guys have taken to harassing or threatening me, but I’m neither intimidated nor dissuaded from continuing to comment here. And sorry, danielj, but there are people here who do enjoy my comments, and I suspect find them far more instructive than your own, uh, invective.

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Posted by Trainspotter on January 02, 2012, 02:45 AM | #

FB: “Trainspotter, are you Greg’s mouthpiece or partner?”

I’ve never met or talked to Greg Johnson.  He has not requested that I speak on his behalf, nor does he require my assistance.  It’s not as if he’s a shrinking violet; he’s more than capable of dealing with trolls himself. 

However, obviously, I have chosen to speak on his behalf, just as I have done for Matt Parrott in the past (someone else that I’ve never met or talked to).  I do this because I can recognize talent.  Both Matt and Greg have the sort of talent that is required if a pro-white movement is to get off of the ground.  If we remain silent when trollish and disingenuous attacks are made upon our talented few, then it creates the impression that such attacks are acceptable.  They are not.  They create a culture of dysfunction that must warm the Jewish heart.

FB: “Linder clearly thinks Johnson is a homosexual pedophile, a liar and dishonest.”

You are really playing dirty pool now.  It does appear to be true that Linder thinks Greg is homosexual.  But a pedophile?  A liar?  You then offer quotes from a vicious dustup where Linder engages in a lot of trash talking.  But see, I remember reading those dustups, and you are leaving out how they ended.  In fact, Linder ultimately took considerable pains to explain that, while he hammers Johnson, he likes and respects him.  That Johnson is talented, honest, and potentially of great value to white nationalism.  That Johnson is worth fighting for. 

In fact, Linder made it clear that Johnson is one of the very few WN that he has any respect for whatsoever.  Unless he has recently changed his mind, that’s simply the reality of the situation.  Yet your cherry picking would suggest the opposite.  You are literally turning truth on its head by offering selective quotations.

Stolz: “More and more WNs going to live in cities like San Francisco? Whites have been fleeing California.”

Um…you are completely missing the point.  Multiple points, actually.  Number one, you are assuming that it is somehow irrational for Greg to live where he does.  You don’t know that, but you assume it. 

I simply pointed out that there are plenty of perfectly good reasons that a person may choose to live in a given zip code.  But the more fundamental point is that it’s none of your business.  We don’t own white nationalist activists.  Because you send somebody fifty bucks, doesn’t mean that they have to live their life in a goldfish bowl for your approval.  They don’t have to provide an itemized list of their personal expenditures to prove that they are living off of macaroni and cheese.   

Greg Johnson runs a website and a publishing outfit.  What you see is what you get, and it’s either worth supporting or not.  I think it is worth supporting.

Of course, if someone starts to rake in the truly big bucks (a “problem” white nationalism would dearly love to have), and word gets out that they are blowing it on ridiculous extravagances, then that will probably hurt with a lot of contributors.  Many will then figure that the person doesn’t really need the money, and it could be better utilized elsewhere.  Others won’t care at all, but are simply focused on the product.  So be it.  In other words, activists don’t sell you their privacy just because you sent them a fiver, but on the other hand, neither are they immune from perfectly normal human reactions in potential contributors.  That’s just the way it works.

So if an activist living in San Francisco is a dealbreaker for you, then fine.  Don’t donate.  I think it’s a silly dealbreaker, but that’s your perogative.  But it’s just plain aspergery of you to expect an activist to, upon your demand, discuss and justify his private living arrangments.

Jimmy Marr: “Bullshit, “Leon”. What’s pitiful is a nominal White nationalist, like yourself, who’s too afraid to let his physical existence and whereabouts become known to his kameraden. That’s pathetic, and it grieves me to point it out, but it’s become too obvious to ignore, and I have no intention of letting up on it until you agree to a sit-down.”

If this is merely a joke, or even written in anger, then fine.  But do you seriously believe that you are entitled to demand “sit downs” with other internet commenters?  The sense of entitlement that exists on this board is absolutely amazing.  We’ve got people who think that activists must justify every jot and tittle of their lives, and now people are making personal demands of mere commenters.  Where have you people earned such power and authority over your fellow man? 

I understand where Leon is coming from, perhaps because I come out of something of a libertarian/free market background myself.  As it happens, I disagree with Leon that such is the way forward, and he would probably be appalled at some of the “leftist” positions that I take.  I think the winning movement will be something that smashes through the left/right paradigm, a true third way if you will.  But ultimately the proof is in the pudding, and I haven’t delivered.  Nobody has, including you. 

But I respect Leon for being able to articulate and ably defend a particular vision of the way forward, and his remaining generally cool and calm under fire.  He’s an asset to the board, not a liability.  Like it or not, libertarianism has captured a significant part of what should be our natural base.  Of course, it won’t ultimately get anywhere, for the simple reason that it can’t.

But if you can’t convince a racially concerned but still market oriented guy like Leon, then maybe you haven’t found the right answers yourself?  Maybe if you had found the “right” way, plenty of people would be meeting with you, and you wouldn’t have to make such demands of mere commenters. 

The painful reality is that none of us have developed a proven way forward.  To date, nothing has worked, or if it has it hasn’t scaled.  My own thinking has evolved quite a bit over just the last couple of years, which is good in a way, but humbling in others.

Point is, right now everything is in play.  We need talented people who are committed to an all white, Jew free ethnostate.  I’m not interested in supporting anyone outside of those parameters.  As far as I know, both Greg and Matt and Leon and Linder are all within those parameters. 

Within that framework, we need a way forward, and we are going to have plenty of disagreements.  For instance, Greg’s comment on the white Turk.  In my misspent youth, I knew a white Turkish girl who was an au pair.  Certainly appeared white, and pretty much Northern European at that.  She socialized with a bunch of white European girls, and any observer would simply assume that she was European as well.  With the Turkish accent she sounded somewhat Russian or at least Eastern European, and that would be that. 

Would it have been a great tragedy if she had married into the more clearly white gene pool?  I doubt it…still, even having had the advantage of knowing her, I’m uncomfortable with it.  A line has to be drawn somewhere, and to me drawing it to include even “white” Turks is drawing it too loosely.  But wherever we draw it, somebody who is pretty damn white is going to find himself just shy of the finish line.  That “near miss” is going to occur wherever you draw lines in this life, whether for a drinking age or how much you will pay for a microwave oven. It’s just life. 

I’m not going to throw a superb and talented activist under the bus just because he is thinking out loud on some of these more hazy issues.  Having said that, it’s perfectly legitimate to question and debate such issues, but let’s not pretend that’s what this thread was really about.  There have been personal attacks, cheap shots, outright lies and innuendo from the very beginning.   

In any event, as of now, there is no proven way forward.  Eventually one way will win out, and the others will be shouted down and become marginalized.  But what we see in this thread is not that sort of healthy competition and whittling down, but rather a cannabilistic and narcisistic display of personal attack and entitlement, with an occasional real issue thrown in to provide lame cover.

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Posted by Trainspotter on January 02, 2012, 02:56 AM | #

Leon: “Not sure why you guys have taken to harassing or threatening me, but I’m neither intimidated nor dissuaded from continuing to comment here. And sorry, danielj, but there are people here who do enjoy my comments, and I suspect find them far more instructive than your own, uh, invective.”

I’m glad that you are not dissuaded, and respect you for it.  Your leaving the board would be a true loss, and I address this issue (in part) in my overly long post above.  And I do think some of the comments are beginning to rise to the level of harassment, or certainly getting damn close, and I would hope GW would do something about it, or better still that the commenters in question would reconsider their approach.  If they truly are white nationalists, this has gone far enough. 

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 02, 2012, 03:02 AM | #

Not sure why you guys have taken to harassing or threatening me

I don’t know why you would think meeting with me would be threatening or qualify as harassment. That seems weird to me. It makes me think maybe you’re up to no good or something. I hope not, but it’s not like I have any intention of doing anything about it. I’d just like to meet you, and can’t understand why you appear to be on the lam.

You said you needed some money to get a project off the ground. I offered to send you some if you would provide a mailing address. You did not reply, and disappeared for a while. That’s weird, man. If you don’t think so, ask Greg Johnson.

And what’s this phobia you’ve got about allowing your photograph to be taken. Do you look like Hunter Wallace or something? I wouldn’t care.

You made a nice comment about how you think of White Nationalism as a multi-roomed mansion. I think that’s a good analogy. So, why are you so intent on keeping your room separate from the others? It doesn’t add up to me, and I think we’d both probably feel better and get along better if we could clear it up by meeting in person. Why wouldn’t you like to do that? Why does it seem like a threat to? I don’t get it.

Anyway, ‘til we meet, have a Happy New Year, and try to relax a little bit. I don’t bite and neither does Danielj.

Heck, ask GW if you don’t believe me.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 02, 2012, 03:18 AM | #

Trainspotter: do you seriously believe that you are entitled to demand “sit downs” with other internet commenters?

I’m not making a demand. Neither do I feel any sense of entitlement, except my entitlement to point out something that I inadvertently noticed and find peculiar. If he doesn’t like me pointing it out, he can easily clear it up, or continue on the lam. I don’t really care, except I think it looks kinda bad on his part, and the longer it goes on, the worse it’s probably gonna look.

I mean, if you said you wanted to get a WN project started but needed some money, and I asked you where I should send my donation, and you disappeared, don’t you think I would be rightfully curious about why that happened?

And, don’t you think if I had some rightful questions about you, I might feel morally obliged to bring them up if you continued blammering on incessantly about Austrian School Economics and exculpating Jewry’s involvement in White Genocide?

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Posted by danielj on January 02, 2012, 03:51 AM | #

I’m not actually threatening you Leon. You are retarded.

I’m an extremely polite, extremely deferential chap. This is an internet persona I’ve adopted for a specific reason. That said, your pillow biting, on-the-bottom earnestness is pretty much a formal invitation to use you as a punching bag.

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Posted by danielj on January 02, 2012, 04:00 AM | #

LEON IS BONING A NON-WHITE AND PICKED A TYPICALLY JEWISH PSEUDONYM AND BLATHERS INCESSANTLY ABOUT LORD MISES AND ZION. LEON PROBABLY HAS A SEPHARDI GRANDMA.

THAT DOESN’T ADD UP TO A WHITE NATIONALIST.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 02, 2012, 10:14 AM | #

better still that the commenters in question would reconsider their approach.

Good Idea

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Posted by Søren Renner on January 02, 2012, 10:34 AM | #

A European-Asian-Jewish hybrid transhumanist civilization is still a pyramid - Jews on top, Asians in the middle, powerful Euros on the bottom—and beneath that a rectangular basement where the underling mishmash dwell.

Mishmash midrash.

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Posted by FB on January 02, 2012, 12:16 PM | #

You are really playing dirty pool now.  It does appear to be true that Linder thinks Greg is homosexual.  But a pedophile?  A liar?  You then offer quotes from a vicious dustup where Linder engages in a lot of trash talking.  But see, I remember reading those dustups, and you are leaving out how they ended.  In fact, Linder ultimately took considerable pains to explain that, while he hammers Johnson, he likes and respects him.  That Johnson is talented, honest, and potentially of great value to white nationalism.  That Johnson is worth fighting for. 

In fact, Linder made it clear that Johnson is one of the very few WN that he has any respect for whatsoever.  Unless he has recently changed his mind, that’s simply the reality of the situation.  Yet your cherry picking would suggest the opposite.  You are literally turning truth on its head by offering selective quotations.

You’re now putting words in Linder’s mouth. I copy-pasted a post in its totality ( i didn’t cherry pick quotes ) and provided a link to an entire thread, i can’t be more fair. What do you want? You, on the other hand, provided no quotes or links. Linder seems to know Johnson quite well and insinuates that Johnson is potentially a homosexual pedophile and an untrustworthy individual. If that’s not your reading of the allegations contained in that thread that’s your problem and a case of willful blindness. You sound like one of Johnson’s lovers. Are you? What’s your relationship to him if you’re capable of bold-face lying on his behalf to salvage his reputation. Very weird stuff.

 

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Posted by Dan Dare on January 02, 2012, 01:14 PM | #

Greg Johnson @124:

Semantics aside, it seems that you have answered the question, in the affirmative.

Thank you.

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Posted by Trainspotter on January 02, 2012, 02:34 PM | #

FB: “You’re now putting words in Linder’s mouth. I copy-pasted a post in its totality ( i didn’t cherry pick quotes ) and provided a link to an entire thread, i can’t be more fair. What do you want? You, on the other hand, provided no quotes or links.”

FB, you have now revealed yourself as a demonstrable and provable liar.  Anybody who wants to do the research on Linder’s forum can verify what I have said above; I have neither the time nor inclination to provide links myself.  Then again, I’m not an obsessive, aspergery clown like yourself.  In the highly unlikely event that for some reason the posts in question have been removed, I guarantee that plenty of people read the exchange and can verify what I’ve said.   

My memory of the exchange is quite vivid, and my description above is accurate.  Linder made the statements that I describe above, and he made them AFTER the cherry picked quotes you provide.  You sailed right on by the more recent posts, and instead quoted earlier ones that turned the truth on its head.  I am satisfied that you did this intentionally, and while I have always had serious doubts about your obsessive and creepy behavior, I now consider you a confirmed liar, and shun you as such.  This is not something that I do lightly, and I have only taken this position with one other person, and that well over a year ago. But I am more than sufficiently convinced that you are a liar, that you are up to no good, and that you are a weirdo to boot. 

FB: “You sound like one of Johnson’s lovers. Are you? What’s your relationship to him if you’re capable of bold-face lying on his behalf to salvage his reputation. Very weird stuff.”

LOL!  What a witty rejoinder!

In addition to aspergery and obsessive liar, add juvenile piece of crap to the list.  I am not, nor have I ever been, the “lover” of any male.  Unreformable chaser of skirts, here. 

As I’ve made abundantly clear, I have no relationship with Linder, Parrott, Johnson, etc., outside of the internet.  Never met any of them personally, or so much as spoken to one on the phone (full disclosure: I have financially contributed to Johnson, and will do so again).  So no, it’s not “very weird stuff.” You, on the other hand, are indeed very weird stuff, and should be shunned.   

 

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Posted by Trainspotter on January 02, 2012, 03:39 PM | #

Jimmy Marr: “And, don’t you think if I had some rightful questions about you, I might feel morally obliged to bring them up if you continued blammering on incessantly about Austrian School Economics and exculpating Jewry’s involvement in White Genocide?”

Jimmy, if Leon is indeed exculpating Jewry’s involvement in white genocide - and I don’t know whether he is or not, then that of course is fair game.  I don’t have a problem with that.  I do, however, have a problem with this thread and some of the tactics used.  It ain’t helping our cause, that’s for sure. 

But hey, FB has helped me add person number two to my shun list, so it’s not a total loss.   

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Posted by Weird Stuff on January 02, 2012, 03:50 PM | #

So nobody else finds it strange that Greg Johnson trashes Christianity on the web, but gives sermons about Jesus in real life?  Is he lying to the Christians he preaches to, or to us?  And doesn’t it say something about him either way?

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Posted by Irish Savant on January 02, 2012, 04:23 PM | #

I’m getting a bit peed off with VDare myself.  It seems that every time I get on the site is closed due to a request for donations.  Why should

they

get donations? The rest of us (99%) do our blogging because we believe in what we do and hence do not seek payment.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 02, 2012, 05:46 PM | #

Trainspotter: Jimmy, I… have a problem with this thread and some of the tactics used.  It ain’t helping our cause, that’s for sure.

I know what you’re saying, Trainspotter, and its not like I’m totally comfortable my new M.O. either. I come off looking like something of a bully, and I don’t like that, but neither do I agree with the certainty in your assertion that, “It ain’t helping our cause, that’s for sure.”

“Leon”, like others, seems to support the notion of a “White Zion”. I’ve worked with that theme through my affiliation with NW Front. It has potential, but it’s not moving fast enough. If “White Zion” is going to happen, it won’t be a place. It will have to be a change in the way pro-Whites relate to each other; A spontaneous network of what I have called “sit-downs” between pro-Whites who are willing to expose themselves and their real-life identities to the consequences of assortative affiliation, as a means of staking “White Zion” in the here and now.

The habit of cyber-entities to discuss how they want to live together in a far-off land, in a far-off time, while shunning their kameraden in real life “ain’t helping our cause”. We can’t keep on pretending we’re going to live collectively in another place and time, while simultaneously making every effort to insure our anonymity in the present. Those two dots won’t connect. Ever.

If Pinocchio is going to “bust out” he must first become a real boy. That’s why I’m leaning on “Leon”. If I topple him, who knows? He may topple you, and we’ll all tumble down into a “White Zion” that has long lain dormant beneath our the soles of our feet.

That’s the truth, as I see it, but I promise to keep an eye on the length of my nose. Thanks for showing an interest.

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 02, 2012, 08:43 PM | #

CaptainKook, you’re such a melodramatic little twerp.

LOL

Mark, if you decide to read through the linked thread from Occidental Dissent which so offended you, you will note that a pretty free-wheeling discussion took place there.  I participated in that spirit.  But just for the record, and so your blood pressure can come down a tad, I am not a transhumanist, I am a racial preservationist. 

Now, since you strike me as a simple-minded guy, I’ll make this simple for you: if you don’t like my comments, then don’t read them, you stupid faggot.

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Posted by Mr Voight on January 02, 2012, 08:46 PM | #

Great post, Jimmy Marr.

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Posted by Thorn on January 02, 2012, 08:52 PM | #

Thorn,

When my pals finally get their America First nationalism site up and running, I hope you’ll visit it, not because we want your donations (not sure if they will be accepting any, at least for a while), but because you’re the mentally stable type we’d like in the Middle American movement we want to build, and which needs building

Thanks for the invite, Leon. When you launch your site, I’ll be sure to visit and offer a few suggestions on topics for which you could or should focus in on. One topic is Critical Race Theory. It’s concepts such as that we need to deconstruct so as to formulate countermeasures in order to neutralize its corrosive effects.

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Posted by OD on January 02, 2012, 09:02 PM | #

Transhumanism is anti-White.

http://www.originaldissent.com/node/835

Archeofuturism: More Anti-white Transhumanism

Guillaume Faye’s Archeofuturism:

Among the first exploits of this new elite shall be exploring the “explosive possibilities of genetic engineering.” These include inter-species hybrids, man-animal chimeras, semi-artificial “biolithic” creatures, and decerebrated human clones. Faye is utterly contemptuous of moral or religious scruples in this domain, which he oddly attributes to the ideology of liberal modernity more than to Christianity.

I had suspected as much after reading another review that left this bit out (the political stances point towards it though).

Are there any real nationalists, or is everyone an anti-white cosmotheist now? If you’re “transcending the white race”..., you’re an enemy of the white race. Originating stock wouldn’t matter to a new being; Chinese, Jewish, Nordic - it wouldn’t matter. Biotech is not the future. It’s the end.

A cosmo / other trans calling himself a nationalist isn’t necessarily such just because he makes claim. They’re liars.

Biotech isn’t inevitable. Someone would first have to do this. And a pious, human nation-state could defeat a chaotic, spiritually hollow lot of transhumanists who’ve merely “created” power by embracing a false delusion-faith (which is the only source of will for such a person).

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Posted by Rusty on January 02, 2012, 09:08 PM | #

Thanks, guys, for a most entertaining thread. I rarely come around here anymore but glad I did today.  Leon, I like your ideas at January 01, 2012, 07:55 PM. Less theory, I say, and more solutions are the order of the day.

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 02, 2012, 10:05 PM | #

Greg Johnson @124:

Semantics aside, it seems that you have answered the question, in the affirmative.

Thank you.

Dare, what is your own stance on queers assuming leadership positions in nationalist pursuits?  I assume that you don’t approve.

 

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Posted by anon on January 02, 2012, 11:06 PM | #

If this thread is anything to go by we’re doomed…

however luckily for the white peoples the Jewish strategy is designed for non-assimilation and not success and although it leads to success, success proves they’re not the poor little persecuted minority and that belief is neccessary for the success…

so they have to drive the ship into the iceberg and will. Guaranteed. They’ll kill millions of innocent people in the process - again - but they’ll need a fresh infusion of hatred to boost them to their next victim in east asia.

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Posted by Trainspotter on January 03, 2012, 12:03 AM | #

Jimmy, good post and valid points. 

Some people are in a position to relinquish anonymity, some are not.  This position may change over time.  Each person has to make that call for himself, and I don’t agree with pressuring them into such a decision, at least not yet. Hopefully, the time will come when some pressure will be justified, but we’re just not there yet. 

We see, in this very thread, that the slightest detail about a person is quickly used against them.  There is no sense of boundaries.  One clown really seems to think that Greg owes him an explanation of the zip code that he lives in.  I mean, who could make this stuff up?  And that was one of the minor and less egregious examples of the bizarre that has populated this thread.  FB’s ridiculous and provably false smears are in a league all their own. 

Ask yourself this: what sentient individual wants to deal with that crap?  The sad fact is that the loon quotient is just too high.

We are a suppressed and sanctioned movement.  However, history shows that there are sufficient men that will face the sanctions of the enemy, IF there is a meaningful plan for victory (why pay the cost, just to muddle around and accomplish nothing?) and IF the suppressed group can offer powerful psychological/spiritual rewards to its members, and cultivate an intense “us versus them” framework.  A band of brothers, if you will. Getting some hot women involved wouldn’t hurt either, but I digress. 

Right now, we just aren’t there.  We’re muddling, we can’t agree on what to do or which way to go, and we allow kooks and cranks to hang around attacking and smearing honest men.  Asking a man to face an extremely powerful system is one thing, and a helluva thing to ask in and of itself.  Asking him to do that with a dagger in his back, a dagger put there by someone who is supposedly on his own team, is quite another.  It’s too much to ask, and such movements either fail to launch in the first place, or they fall apart. 

Yet that is our “movement” today. 

Some have said that modern white men simply lack courage.  Maybe this is true in part, but only in part.  Every day, white men from small towns all over this country join up with the Marines, and are willing to put their lives on the line in some godforsaken hellhole on the other side of the planet.  Maybe there are fewer such men today, but there are still plenty of them.  That they exist in substantial numbers is provable, not opinion. 

But the Marines build an extremely powerful esprit de corps (and it doesn’t hurt that they can also make payroll - even the crazy brave need to eat and have a roof over their heads), creating a whole greater than the sum of its parts.  Our task is even harder: the Marine Corps as an institution commands broad societal respect and approval.  A revolutionary movement committed to upending the status quo, by definition, doesn’t - at least in the initial stages.  But history shows that it can be done, by groups that know how to motivate and reward. 

It is extremely unrewarding to be part of a circular firing squad (except for cranks and kooks, who seem to thrive on it).  It’s pretty much the opposite of feeling that the future belongs to you, that the winds of destiny are at your back. 

I’m not trying to discourage you, Jimmy.  If you can build a real network, that would be a helluva accomplishment, and I wish you the best.  But to be honest, I think it’s premature.  Until some of the issues I’ve mentioned are worked out (and I’ve only scratched the surface), I’ll limit myself to supporting the talented few that have gone public, and that we can afford to help out.  I’ll also, to the extent that I’m aware of a situation, try to cultivate a culture of encouraging and “protecting” the talented few that have come forward, and trashing the kooks and cranks who are always there to tear their betters down.  Not to put them beyond criticism, but to create a culture of boundaries respected and comradeship that will help us gain confidence and trust in one another, and a way forward. 

And if someone supports an all white, Jew-free ethnostate, ease off a bit.  We may still disagree about the way forward, and how exactly to achieve it, but that’s got to count for something.  We can debate, and ultimately one way forward has to win out, and yes the losers will have bruised feelings.  So be it.  But such a man is still my nigga.  I don’t want him destroyed. 

The broader society is dysfunctional, but it has power.  We are dysfunctional too, but we have no power to speak of. 

As long as both of those sentences are true, we can’t win.  The only part of those sentences that we can plausibly change in the near term is our own dysfunctionality.  After that, the equation begins to look a lot better.  In any event, unless I get some unexpected time on my hands in the next few days, that about does it for me.  Sincerely, good luck.     

 


 

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Posted by SelousScout on January 03, 2012, 12:07 AM | #

DanielJ:

I’ll find that gay bar in Orange County that caters to Gentile twinks that like getting pounded by Jewish bears and bust your fucking spokes.

Nice. If anyone can find the ‘Jewish bears’ and ‘gay bar in Orange County’ it would be the Jebus-freaks.

You’ve family in SJC, right, DanielJ?

I propose the three of us meet and discuss matters over drinks. No spoke-busting. At least not yet.

We need a purge.

 

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Posted by A on January 03, 2012, 12:26 AM | #

So nobody else finds it strange that Greg Johnson trashes Christianity on the web, but gives sermons about Jesus in real life?  Is he lying to the Christians he preaches to, or to us?  And doesn’t it say something about him either way?

I find it extremely strange. That sermon was a really good find, if it is in fact the same Greg J - how did you come across this?

I’ve never heard of the Swedenborgian Church before. If Greg J is actually associated with this group it would be interesting to hear what he has to say about it (unfortunately he seems to have disappeared from this thread).

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Posted by Zeb on January 03, 2012, 01:42 AM | #

if it is in fact the same Greg J

It’s him. Sounds just like him. You can listen to his interviews on the Reason Radio Network with Tom Sunic and check for yourself. He’s got that soft, effeminate lilt in his voice. Sounds like a creepy, gay camp counselor or pedophile or something. Compare it to the voices heard on Majority Radio. GW and Bowery sound like actual men and positively stentorian by comparison. Even Jim Giles has more gravitas.

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Posted by Hunter Wallace on January 03, 2012, 01:49 AM | #

To add to your comment, Hunter Wallace, persisting in spite of being thoroughly exposed, is consistent with two possibilities.

The first is that he’s a desperate Jew who must persist.  The second is that the desperate Juden can’t retire him and must try to get as many naive persons misled by him as possible.  I’m not sure which of these is true, perhaps the second.

I’m not sure how to respond to this except for maybe ... LOL.

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Posted by Hunter Wallace on January 03, 2012, 01:57 AM | #

The rest of us (99%) do our blogging because we believe in what we do and hence do not seek payment.

I don’t know of any blogger who claims he needs $100,000 to $500,000 to run a website.

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Posted by A on January 03, 2012, 01:58 AM | #

It’s him. Sounds just like him.

Interesting. I googled “Gregory Johnson Swedenborgian Church” and it seems Dr J has written a lot on this Church, in fact he seems to be quite an authority on it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen it mentioned on the Counter Currents website. From what little I know the Swedenborgian Church seems to fit with the “esoteric” and “high European culture” flavor of CC, but not it’s anti-Christian leanings (at least that’s my perception). It would be really interesting to get Dr J’s thoughts on this.

By the way I’m not saying this in a negative or critical way, I’ve read some of Dr J’s writings on CC and VNN etc and I’ve always found him to be very interesting and perceptive. I really don’t care about the personal stuff others are delving into here, but this apparent Swedenborgian angle is intriguing (and pretty unusual)!

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Posted by danielj on January 03, 2012, 02:04 AM | #

I agree Sealous. I’m in town. Just met Greg.

How is tomorrow night for you?

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Posted by Weird Stuff on January 03, 2012, 02:05 AM | #

I find it extremely strange. That sermon was a really good find, if it is in fact the same Greg J - how did you come across this?

A while back someone (I can’t remember exactly where) posted up the info that our Greg Johnson was Gregory R. Johnson, the Swedenborg expert.  It made sense to me at that time.  When I saw this thread, I did a search for “gregory johnson swedenborg” and found that sermon, which I had not seen before.  If you listen to the voice though, it’s clearly the same person.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 03, 2012, 02:44 AM | #

I’ve only met one Swedenborgian. He was a regular at Pacifica Forum. Ended up donating a substantial number of rare revisionist texts. Very sharp on history of WWII, Zionism and holohoax. Mildly effeminate. Life-long bachelor.

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Posted by danielj on January 03, 2012, 03:17 AM | #

What the hell is a Sendenborgian?!

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 03, 2012, 03:32 AM | #

What the hell is a Sendenborgian?!

I thought you just met one, Dude. We were hoping you could tell us, but it sound like he slipped you the mickey?

You should have taken Selous with you!

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 03, 2012, 05:36 AM | #

Zeb, I am sorry that my voice does not make your pussy wet, but it is the only voice I have, and I have things of substance to say.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 03, 2012, 09:22 AM | #

I have things of substance to say.

Oh, God, yes! And, if you don’t raise 8 million dollars by March, God is going to kill you. Right, Oral?

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 03, 2012, 10:13 AM | #

Oral Roberts Moore.wmv

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Posted by danielj on January 03, 2012, 10:19 AM | #

Oh, God, yes! And, if you don’t raise 8 million dollars by March, God is going to kill you. Right, Oral?

It is true. Greg has stated he wants to be a “professional white” activist and author. He wants Counter-Currents to get to a point where it is bringing in the money for a staff.

I don’t doubt that we need a few organizations like that. The question is who they will be run by.

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Posted by danielj on January 03, 2012, 05:11 PM | #

I am leaving tomorrow morning but if any other Bay Area nazis, WNs, white-empowerment types, racially conscious gamers or Christians wanna meet up tonight is the night.

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Posted by danielj on January 03, 2012, 10:42 PM | #

Next time then Sealous.

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Posted by T. N. Toluene on January 03, 2012, 11:04 PM | #

Greg Johnson wants $100-500K so he can buy a bathhouse in the Castro.  Then he gets his staff for free.

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Posted by donner on January 04, 2012, 03:19 PM | #

Faggots like Greg Johnson will be purged, like Röhm et al.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 03:24 PM | #

Not by the disorganized and anonymous.

Nobody gets purged that way.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 04, 2012, 03:44 PM | #

The underlying fact is that Greg Johnson is a White man who is fighting White genocide in real life, and when push comes to shove, I’ll support him in the best way I can. My criticism is offered in that spirit, and that spirit only. I assume his criticism of my tactics operates on the same assumption.

Those who do not exist in real life, have already purged themselves, which is why we should strive earnestly to liberate poor souls like “Leon” who have consigned themselves to impotence in a self-imposed purgatory.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 04:17 PM | #

The underlying fact is that Greg Johnson is a White man

Uber White Man…

He looks like a cross between Colin Firth and Stephen Merchant.

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 06:29 PM | #

Quick exercise in democracy here - should Donner’s comment be deleted?

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 06:44 PM | #

Nope.

Either heavy handed moderation or none (save that which might get GW arrested). Unless we are going to revamp the entire comment policy. GT or somebody suggested some good rules the other day that I believe he cribbed from the IHRs comment policy.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 04, 2012, 06:55 PM | #

Quick exercise in democracy here - should Donner’s comment be deleted?

No. I think we deserve to be constantly exposed to the entire breadth of our zeitgeist, so we can better assess where we belong within it.

Even when it comes to censorship. Thanks for asking, Lurker. Thanks for offering your opinion, Donner.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 04, 2012, 06:58 PM | #

And, last, but not least, thanks to danielj, for being a Real Boy.

Captcha = England99

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 07:01 PM | #

Should be england999...

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Posted by J Richards on January 04, 2012, 07:03 PM | #

Lurker @177

MR isn’t a democracy.  Donner’s comment should be left intact.  It’s another in a long line of comments that digress from the issue and should be seen as an attempt to shift attention to tangential or irrelevant issues, thus helping Johnson, not an endorsement of the position stated, and even if the stated position is endorsed, comments left at MR don’t necessarily reflect the opinions of the administrators, which should be obvious. 

The crucial issue is whether Johnson is working for the Juden, not whether he’s a homosexual, let alone how homosexuals should be dealt with.  Whether Johnson is working for the Juden is best answered by what’s posted at counter-currents.com, not whether he’s a homosexual.  If it appears that he’s working for the Juden, which I believe to be the case, then the next question is whether he’s doing so voluntarily or not.  Homosexuality, especially an interest or indulgence in some perverted or illegal homosexual behavior, could be the basis for Johnson involuntarily working for the Juden, but this issue comes later.

danielj @137

LEON IS BONING A NON-WHITE [allegedly not his race]...

He’s also on record saying that he supports outlawing interracial unions, no kidding!  Should such law be passed one wonders whether Haller will surrender himself to the authorities for the criminal act.

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 07:06 PM | #

OK, thats enough votes, thanks chaps. That was my gut feeling, I m fully in favour of free speech but when some random guy we’ve never heard of shows up and making threats. Well, you know…

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Posted by daniel on January 04, 2012, 07:15 PM | #

Criticism of queers is more than valid. However, I think an avowal from Johnson that he is not a pedophile and condemns pedophilia would be more than enough. To place the issue of homosexuality on par with White genocide is otherwise ridiculous. While I can agree that nobody has to do it in any deterministic sense, one does see women and men who are clearly disposed to it constitutionally, can barely help it. Thus, there is apparently a natural component. While we should not merely accept it, should discourage it and require discretion at a minimum, it should not be a preoccupation. Criticism of homos can be many and I could go on about that. But rather, I have taken to saying in brief, of lesbians, I’d rather have a woman who has a few such flings than a mud shark; and of male queers well, providing that they are not other wise markedly bad (e.g., pedophilia), that is more women for me/us. There are a few queer bars in the town where I live. I do not go there because I am not comfortable with them, am not a homo - have never done it, would never do it, do not admire them as I think men, especially, should not be so acquiescing (there is more to criticize, and I will articulate that one day, but that is enough for now); and I do not go there because lesbians are not interested in me. Nobody could make me go there and nobody is trying. Maybe it is not either or, maybe it, is but it is definitely way less destructive to have a few of those bars in a city than it is to have Negro bars. I have known plenty of ultra macho White guys who are totally defensive of race-mixing - a real drag. On the other hand, I have known racially aware and helpful lesbians and male homos. We should let them help. In my opinion, Donner’s remark was out of line.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 04, 2012, 07:16 PM | #

Danielj for President, 2012

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 07:21 PM | #

Criticism of queers is more than valid.

Agreed. But the issue in Johnson’s case should be the work he does. Homosexuality can be discussed in the abstract. 

However, I think an avowal from Johnson that he is not a pedophile and condemns pedophilia would be more than enough.

Yes. If there was some substance to the charge…. I have yet to see anything that would incline me to believe there is any. If he lowers himself to respond to every bit of nonsense he looks guilty. I wouldn’t counsel anybody to sink to respond to everything.

While we should not merely accept it, should discourage it and require discretion at a minimum, it should not be a preoccupation

Bingo! Otherwise we start to look like all those closeted pedophile/fags in the Republican party that are over-the-top about it.

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Posted by T. N. Toluene on January 04, 2012, 07:22 PM | #

You cannot trust a queer.  Queers are about the same rate of minority as Jews…they’re alienated from the majority culture…so are ready to betray us, stab us in the back.  They’ll work with Jews to do it, natural allies.

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Posted by danielj = race-mixing mongrel on January 04, 2012, 07:23 PM | #

“danielj” is a swarthoid mongrel with a mixed-race child. It is unbelievable that such a degenerate is so delusionally presumptuous that he thinks he is in a position to hector others.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 07:28 PM | #

I will rule the country before I die…

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Posted by J Richards on January 04, 2012, 07:29 PM | #

Lew @127

The following excerpt from your source shows why the article cited at counter-currents.com isn’t powerful criticism of Jewry:

So that a few people, mostly ethnic Jews, could continue to make money from money; so that a handful of international “bankers” could continue to enslave and exploit hundreds of millions of human beings.

...only a few are blamed.

Notice that most of the soldiers/people committing atrocities against the Germans toward the end of and just after WWII aren’t Jews.  The types of the atrocities don’t appear anything unusual as human history attests; the uniqueness is over the extent and age.

What related to Hellstorm, Thomas Goodrich’s book, would be a powerful indictment against Jewry?

An explanation of WW2 as an essentially Jewish-orchestrated event with the immediate purposes of halting German economic independence from the international bankers, teaching the Germans a lesson for daring to interfere with the bankers and making an example for others, as well as the broader goal of the establishment of Israel, for which the Jews had already unsuccessfully orchestrated WW1, during which a claimed phony Holocaust figure of 6 million dead Jews didn’t stick, and so even before WW2 was over, the Jews started promoting claims of 6 millions Jews dead, a bogus claim, which they successfully used, along with large-scale terrorism in Palestine, to establish Israel, which they’ve endeavored to ever since build into a base for their international criminal operations, operating in a manner that’s been natural to them throughout their known history.

If this is what Goodrich has argued and documented, Sexton’s review gives us no indication of it and must be considered mild criticism of Jewry at counter-currents.  Why would Sexton censor the crucial parts of the book in his review?  Is it to spare the sensibilities of the readership?  If so, why would he include excerpts that are sickening and very disturbing?  Or is the reason that he doesn’t want to present too many incredible claims in an article as only a book can document the evidence?  If so, why doesn’t the review entice the reader to read the book for a nuanced analysis and understanding of the circumstances leading to WW2… what the mindset behind it hoped to achieve and what it achieved?

One could guess that Goodrich’s book doesn’t summarize into the powerful indictment of Jewry that would support your case. 

Sexton’s review is also about a few related events within a short period, whereas Michael O’Meara’s criticism of those who criticize Jews is broad, lacks substance, includes straw men and has the endorsement of Greg Johnson.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 07:32 PM | #

“danielj” is a swarthoid mongrel with a mixed-race child. It is unbelievable that such a degenerate is so delusionally presumptuous that he thinks he is in a position to hector others.

Fuck off anonymouse. You pathetic piece of rat shit. Take a picture of yourself and show me how white you are. I bet you are a fucking swarthy bastard. Better yet, gimmie your 23andMe password and let’s see how much of a Nordic superman you are!

Slink back off to wither you came from. I’ll fucking hector everyone until the day I die. I’ll also probably execute you and a bunch of your swarthy German pals before that day comes.

Come on facebook and gimmie your phone number and address. Talk shit to my face you fake ass internet warrior.

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 07:34 PM | #

What Dan said…

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 07:39 PM | #

Another anonynord with no children, no job, no degree, no verifiable pedigree, no credentials and no face talking shit on a real worlder.

Danielj the “swarthoid” who was MISTAKEN FOR GUESSEDWORKER’S SON by his cabbie. Yeah. Fuck off.

Leave it to the swarthy to do all the real work and heavy lifting to preserve your worthless Nordic asses. If you are at all a representation of the breed, you hardly deserve to be saved.

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 07:54 PM | #

Dan - you dont have to explain yourself to some passing turd floating down the sewer.

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Posted by daniel on January 04, 2012, 07:57 PM | #

Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 07:06 PM | #

“OK, thats enough votes, thanks chaps. That was my gut feeling, I m fully in favour of free speech but when some random guy we’ve never heard of shows up and making threats. Well, you know”…


Torrents of responses between

Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 07:34 PM | #

“What Dan said”…


Funny

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 04, 2012, 07:58 PM | #

danielj = race-mixing mongrel: “danielj” is a swarthoid mongrel with a mixed-race child. It is unbelievable that such a degenerate is so delusionally presumptuous that he thinks he is in a position to hector others.

I’ll be honest with you, whoever you are. Danielj has so many tattoos, you’d be hard pressed to tell me what color he is.  Not that it matters. But I can tell you one thing: He’s not invisible. If you are here to condemn people who have already willingly acknowledged their own shortcomings, you are, by definition, redundant, and you haven’t even shown the self confidence to own your redundancy.

If that’s not lower than whale shit, tell us what is?

Did you email Greg Johnson? Did you drive to hell and back to meet with him? Have you reported your firsthand impressions to our kameraden?

Who are you? What have you done? Why are you ashamed to use your name?

 

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 08:01 PM | #

Indeed, democracy or not I wonder, pretty please Mr Richards can we dispose of comment 188?

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 08:03 PM | #

What Jimmy said…

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 08:03 PM | #

Careful guys!

You’ll get kicked out of the Nordic Thunder Squad!

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 08:06 PM | #

The Nordic Thunder Squad - are you sure thats not a comic book?

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Posted by J Richards on January 04, 2012, 08:17 PM | #

Lurker @197

Getting rid of the comment @188 would leave a number of subsequent comments out of context.  In this case, the first thing to note is that the offensive comment is a foul way of presenting facts that the recipient has acknowledged.  Danielj made the mistake of responding in equally foul language.  So consistency would require that you delete his response, too.

Leave the comments and let danielj be advised by the event to use better language and he wouldn’t invite the type of comment @188.  Very few people are likely to leave multiple comments such as 188 without provocation and most of them can be warned into behaving.

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 08:27 PM | #

Its not for me to speak for Dan but he was, verbally, acting in self-defence as it were. The troll commenting @188 wasnt responding to Dan’s language, it was an unwarranted attack on Dan himself and apparently in response to an entirely reasonable comment from Dan.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 08:42 PM | #

Dan - you dont have to explain yourself to some passing turd floating down the sewer.

No.

Let it be known that I’m not concerned with personal attacks on me. I’m sure they will only increase as I grow in popularity. I’m really not concerned with them even when they are foul and crude and don’t really care if they are true or not.

I will not “clean up” my language one bit. I’m a field cracka. I’m white trash. I’m uneducated and make no pretense at being higher or lower. I’m completely middle brow. I like Mozart and Beethoven but I couldn’t explain the collapse of formalism in the first movement of a symphony, and, how it was decadent and a symbol of decline. I don’t know what the fuck a neutrino is and whether or not they were pushed faster than the speed of light. I do algebra really well but I stopped with math after geometry and algebra two and never pursued it further.

I’m solidly middle class and have a foul mouth and forever it shall be until the Lord changes me or takes me home.

The real question is whither shall we go White Nationalists? Should all of us mixed Euros create a whole new movement? Is there a real North/South split? How much of a Southern Euro does one have to be before he is in one camp or the other? I don’t identify as anything other than American. I am not opposed to Nordic preservation. In fact, that is pretty much what will occur under a sane WN polity without any coercion or force. The only Italians that won’t wither away are in New York and New Jersey and who better to use as a bulwark against a possible contingent of non-whites that stay? Who better to do the dirty work and get up close and personal? Who better to deny the option of flight to than our swarthy brethren?

There is also the question of internet etiquette for ourselves. Should Jews be allowed to post? Should they utterly excluded? Should those of great stock, immense value (*cough* Tan *cough*) and upstanding character be excluded for marrying a Jew? Should those of us who made mistakes and continue to make mistakes be excluded from the morally superior camp that the completely pure Nordic Thunder Squad occupies? Should we be allowed to drink beer? Dance on the Sabbath? Southerners are dirty people but I love them to death. Are they White Nationalists proper?

Should the anonymous be allowed to snipe? I’m all for personal attacks but sniping should only be allowed if it is transformed into dueling. I’m not hiding shit. I’m not a good guy. I am a motherfucker. I get into trouble. I have friends that aren’t white. I eat Messican food and sometimes even Chinese. I like Muddy Waters. I occasionally listen to Tupac (mostly because it is so damn funny). But I also get up every day and strap my damn boots on and work my ass off. I try to make nice with all the beaners and explain to them the role of juden and why ethnonationalism is important and best for all us. I’m practically a damn diplomat of the future White Republic already! That’s all I can do.

I’ve also went on the record saying I’m not interested in ethnic stasis. Preservation doesn’t mean to me that we must stay within 5% of a particular John Q. American for all eternity. Eugenics isn’t stasis. Therefore eugenics isn’t really preservation if you want to get down to it. But honestly, I have no hope that a eugenics program will ever eliminate the need for, or the existence of, simple White folks who will never rise above their station. I also believe that genius crops up in the middle of fucking nowhere sometimes and that a mix of respect for “[a rejection of] equality as an ideal and insists on an enduring core of human nature transmitted by heredity” a la Sam Francis, the very English notion of upstart second sons outdoing the first and the strange notion that sometimes the human spirit rises above its fleshly imprisonment and creates and achieves with even meager genetic resources.

White people are a beautiful mystery and I would hate to see WN get turned into a silly technocratic nightmare. I prefer something a little more fun.

I am a Laschian. I accept much of the Communitarian and Marxist critiques of capitalism. Work is spiritual discipline. Connection to the land and fixity of place is important (I acknowledge my hypocrisy in this regard); vitally important. Craftsmanship (playful work that is under the control of a guild of invested journeyman) is the second most important issue of our time (after religion and race).

What does WN want to do? Drone on and on about black crime and swarthoids? I think it is the 21st fucking century and we better come up with a positive vision real fast.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 08:50 PM | #

Question: If I’m a swarthoid and swarthoids are non-white how could I have race-mixed with another non-white?

That is to say wouldn’t my beautiful boy William (holder of an English passport, flaxen-haired and rosy-cheeked) be the Mongrel? Isn’t the race mixing what I’m doing now? Isn’t my wife the disgusting race-mixer?

You guys aren’t very logical…

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Posted by Tim on January 04, 2012, 08:52 PM | #

Settle this dispute between danielj and the anonymous commenter with Bowery’s single combat to the death. Each disputant gets a dagger and some rope and enters a large forest from opposite ends. Only one leaves the forest.

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 08:53 PM | #

Nice one Dan.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 08:57 PM | #

Settle this dispute between danielj and the anonymous commenter with Bowery’s single combat to the death. Each disputant gets a dagger and some rope and enters a large forest from opposite ends. Only one leaves the forest.

I’m totally down. I’m a knot-tying fool. Half my job is rigging.

Seriously though, the broader point is more important. Which way do we go? Do we tolerate this shit from the anonymous? Do we need different movements?

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 09:02 PM | #

Id like to think a broad church was possible, workable.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 09:18 PM | #

I think clearly defining things will enable us to work together even where we have significant differences. I’m working on a paper right now. I’ll send you the outline and ask for your thoughts.

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Posted by Lew on January 04, 2012, 10:03 PM | #

J Richards @190

A couple of questions:

First question: Do you realize how often you use this pattern of reasoning? Author X mentions this (Jewish crime)..but leaves out this (more serious Jewish crime)’; therefore, the Author X is probably controlled opposition.

It’s not very convincing (to me) because there are many reasons a person might mention some Jewish crimes but not others, yet never seem to give any weight to alternative explanations.

Perhaps I’m mistaken, but it appears your evidence that a person is controlled opposition usually boils down to a person not treating a topic they way you would.

In the case of the Thomas Goodrich book Hellstorm, I’ve read J.A. Sexton’s review but not the book. It seems clear to me from the review, however, that the author mentions one of the Jews’ main goals during the WW2 era: preserving Jewish control of international finance and banking. Granted, based on the review, Thomas Goodrich does not mention the hoax or Israel, but again, that could be for many reasons. The most plausible explanation to me is that those matters were out of scope for his project.

On the other hand, Goodrich does appear to specifically point out the Jewish-orchestrated atrocities against the Germans, and in gruesome detail to bring home the point about Jewish malevolence.

Second question: since you are always stating with such confidence who is likely controlled opposition, I think it is fair to ask you to list some people who are not controlled opposition in your opinion. Is there anyone?

An explanation of WW2 as an essentially Jewish-orchestrated event with the immediate purposes of halting German economic independence from the international bankers, teaching the Germans a lesson for daring to interfere with the bankers and making an example for others, as well as the broader goal of the establishment of Israel, for which the Jews had already unsuccessfully orchestrated WW1, during which a claimed phony Holocaust figure of 6 million dead Jews didn’t stick, and so even before WW2 was over, the Jews started promoting claims of 6 millions Jews dead, a bogus claim, which they successfully used, along with large-scale terrorism in Palestine, to establish Israel, which they’ve endeavored to ever since build into a base for their international criminal operations, operating in a manner that’s been natural to them throughout their known history.

With comments like this, you set the bar so unreasonably high I am not sure Adolf Hitler could be definitively ruled as not being controlled opposition by this standard.

As far as I know, Hitler never cited the Jews’ of establishing a Jewish state in Palestine as one motive for their hostility to Germany, and his Jewish goal was well-known at the time.

Likewise, although I could be wrong, I don’t think Henry Ford mentioned the Jews’ desire for a state in Palestine either when he criticized Jews, although Ford did make statements such as “wars are the Jews’ harvest,” so it is clear Ford understood how Jews operate.

You imply Thomas Goodrich should have mentioned the desire for a Jewish state if he were serious about documenting Jewish crimes as well as those other things. Yet the two men who did much more than than most to stand up to world Jewry did not mention that motive either (that I know of).

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Posted by danielj = race-mixing mongrel on January 04, 2012, 10:06 PM | #

The facts about a degenerate miscegenator who abandoned his half-Filipino child are stated, and he and his fanboys have a meltdown.

A leftist, anarchist, miscegenating, degenerate mongrel thinking he gets to call the shots is too funny.

He is nothing but a buffoon who has far too high an opinion of himself.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 10:17 PM | #

The facts about a degenerate miscegenator who abandoned his half-Filipino child are stated, and he and his fanboys have a meltdown.

What meltdown? I agree with the facts. I REVEALED them. Should I post them at the top of every damn comment I make?

A leftist, anarchist, miscegenating, degenerate mongrel thinking he gets to call the shots is too funny.

Former. Were you born with a swastika tattoo? I was subjected to intense brainwashing and I realized (begin somewhat perceptive) that being a leftist gets you pussy. I was just young dum and fulla cum. A lot of us were once.

He is nothing but a buffoon who has far too high an opinion of himself.

I have a very, very low opinion of myself actually. I beg for mercy from God every day for all the wrong I’ve done. Do you want me to beat my breasts to in front of the Nordic Thunder Squad for all eternity too? You want me to beg you for forgiveness? You don’t even consider me your fucking people for heaven’s sake! Why do I bother you and your squad so much? Demonstrate your own superiority and your own vision and perhaps I will submit.

That said, as far as I’m aware, I have a helluva lot more gravitas than the average WN and I’ve converted many dozens of people to my viewpoint. I command attention in public settings. Isn’t it a good thing that there is somebody out there pushing the antithesis? Don’t be such a stodgy fucking curmudgeon.

Lastly, I didn’t abandon the kid recklessly. It wasn’t easy for me. I had a real rough time of it and when I came too it was too late. Then my awakening occurred. I signed adoption paperwork some time ago not to a fucking orphanage but to the mother and loving step-father. I made the best of it.

Where the fuck did you grow up? How perfect have you been? Do you have a degree? Photocopy it and black out your last name with a post-it that says Majority Rights on it. Do you have a job? Do the same thing with a pay stub. Do you have any children? Do the same thing with birth certificates. The truth is you haven’t accomplished shit or you wouldn’t feel the desperate need to attract attention to yourself by talking shit.

What is adequate penance for you? What would you like me to do? Kill a jew? Will that do it? Kill myself? Obviously it is you that doesn’t fit in here. I’m sure you have your own site where you don’t have to tolerate me. So be a good lad and sod the fuck off.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 10:20 PM | #

and again…

How does a mongrel who is a “swarthoid” non-white race mix? Am I White and your brother or am I not?

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Posted by Lurker on January 04, 2012, 10:30 PM | #

He is nothing but a buffoon who has far too high an opinion of himself.

Who are you to pop up out of nowhere and start mouthing off? What, you’ve held your silence for years but now its all too much for you and you can’t hold back?

Anything you know about Dan is what he’s said himself, its right there, he’s laid it on the line, dont go parading round like you’re Sherlock Holmes.

As Dan says, perhaps you have a website of your own where you can illustrate your activities and contributions, everyone wants to play their part and Im sure you do too.

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Posted by danielj = race-mixing mongrel on January 04, 2012, 10:47 PM | #

Posted by danielj on January 02, 2012, 04:00 AM | #

LEON IS BONING A NON-WHITE AND PICKED A TYPICALLY JEWISH PSEUDONYM AND BLATHERS INCESSANTLY ABOUT LORD MISES AND ZION. LEON PROBABLY HAS A SEPHARDI GRANDMA.

THAT DOESN’T ADD UP TO A WHITE NATIONALIST.

danielj and company can dish out the abuse, but they can’t take it. When they get a taste of their own medicine, they turn into sniveling cowards.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 10:54 PM | #

danielj and company can dish out the abuse, but they can’t take it. When they get a taste of their own medicine, they turn into sniveling cowards.

I’m not romantically involved with a non-white. And I’m trying to convince Leon to dump the broad and marry and procreate with a White woman. Of course you don’t believe in forgiveness. I also don’t come on MR and promote ridiculous jewnomics.

I can take it just fine. Leon only gets shit because of his ridiculous commitment to staying with twinkie and his Austrianism. Are you into jewish economics or what? Is that what this is about? Are you going to answer my the questions in my previous comment at all or just divert and change the subject midstream? This is really about me picking on Leon? You don’t believe Leon should get any mercy either.

That or you are just a troll. Maybe even a jewish troll spreading division and discord. It is now 100% obvious you are arguing in bad faith. You don’t even give a shit about Nordic preservation and as I’ve already went on the record as supporting it 100% you have no leg to stand on.

What is your major beef and how do I fix it? You can’t answer the question because you are full of shit. Now fuck off.

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 10:55 PM | #

I can take it just fine.

No homo.

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Posted by J Richards on January 04, 2012, 10:58 PM | #

Lurker @202

I wouldn’t call the comment @188 unprovoked as the author’s obviously read enough of danielj and would’ve noted danielj calling out Haller for boning a non-white.

danielj @203

Your lengthy comment and the previous response to the person who provoked you isn’t consistent with your statement that you’re not concerned with personal attacks, especially those that hit home.

Your class and education notwithstanding, you can make an effort to avoid foul language.  You’ll rebut your opponents better with facts, and wit is preferable to profanity.

There is also the question of internet etiquette for ourselves. Should…

Do your part, avoid foul language, and you reduce your chances of being on the receiving end of insults.

You’re infuriated by an anonymous person insulting you.  Your lack of anonymity doesn’t give you legitimacy (plenty of non-anonymous controlled opposition around) or the moral high ground (how’s the moral high ground working out for Matthew Hale, Ed Steele, Kevin Strom, etc.?).  It doesn’t even make you brave because you have nothing to lose if ordinary arguments are all you can come up with, but if your arguments are extraordinarily persuasive then it’s a question of whether you’re brave or foolish… you may understand this better if you find good authors for your forthcoming website and then encounter Juden’s attempts to compromise you somehow.. you’ll definitely understand it if you have moral weaknesses that you can be blackmailed over, are doing a good job of disturbing the Juden and the Juden find out your weaknesses. 

If I’m a swarthoid and swarthoids are non-white how could I have race-mixed with another non-white?

You seem to have a difficult time understanding that non-whites don’t all belong to the same race.  Are Koreans and Somalis the same race?

Don’t let yourself be bothered by northern European nationalists (so-called Nordicists).  Working toward shared interests is the thing to do; the differences can be dealt with later… ignore those who don’t understand this.  You can see examples of working toward shared interests: http://aryanism.net/blog/ (these guys don’t like nationalism).

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 10:59 PM | #

When they get a taste of their own medicine, they turn into sniveling cowards.

I’ve already accepted the challenge of single deadly combat. There is a national forest right up near Lake Arrowhead. I’ll pay for your plane ticket to the Ontario International Airport and the rope. Leon and Jimmy can drop us off on opposite sides of the forest.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 04, 2012, 11:00 PM | #

danielj = race-mixing mongrel

Everything you have written about danielj may well be true, but danielj is here under his own name and has physically met with other commenters to confirm his identity and discuss these matters.

Not only are “you” unwilling to identify yourself, “you” are, in fact, posting here as an offspring of danielj’s identity, and by “your” definition, that shouldn’t carry any weight.

If “you’d” like to become a Real Boy, by having a Sit Down with Made Man, “you” may use the contact button to earn your stripes. Otherwise, “you” may flame here until your anonymous heart is content, but I doubt anyone is going to take what “you” say with anything other than a grain of salt.

I know that’s inconvenient, but I’m afraid it’s the only way things are going to work out for us in real life.

Think of it as our version of a New World Order, and help us work toward it. We understand that it is an expensive undertaking accompanied by many uncomfortable liabilities, but since some of us have already paid up, we feel entitled to ask the same of those who initiate personal attacks against us.

What do you think? Wouldn’t it feel nice to be real, and have an opportunity to be taken seriously?

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Posted by danielj on January 04, 2012, 11:11 PM | #

Your class and education notwithstanding, you can make an effort to avoid foul language.  You’ll rebut your opponents better with facts, and wit is preferable to profanity.

I disagree. Every situation calls for something different. I’m a pragmatist. Sometimes screaming “fuck you” at the top of your lungs works better.

Your lengthy comment and the previous response to the person who provoked you isn’t consistent with your statement that you’re not concerned with personal attacks, especially those that hit home.

The lengthy comment was about WN in general. Personal attacks are good. They make shit interesting. This needs to be entertaining. It’s like “beef” between rappers. Sells records.

I’m not. I know what a piece of shit I am and I don’t worry too much about it. I am what I am. I like beer and fighting.

Do your part, avoid foul language, and you reduce your chances of being on the receiving end of insults.

Not opposed to insults, invective, etc.

You’re infuriated by an anonymous person insulting you.

Always pretend to be angry and infuriated. I sleep like a baby though. Although sometimes my back bothers me.

you may understand this better if you find good authors for your forthcoming website and then encounter Juden’s attempts to compromise you somehow.. you’ll definitely understand it if you have moral weaknesses that you can be blackmailed over, are doing a good job of disturbing the Juden and the Juden find out your weaknesses.

I guess we’ll see. I’d like to think they’ll just use a car bomb.

You seem to have a difficult time understanding that non-whites don’t all belong to the same race.  Are Koreans and Somalis the same race?

No. I wasn’t using the term that way. Loosely, my meaning was along the lines of what do you care if somebody who isn’t white (swarthoid) fools around with somebody equally not-white? I mean what fucking race is a half-german half-filipina anyway? The point is he wants to have it both ways. Either I was a mongrel banging another mongrel or I was a White man miscegenating.

Don’t let yourself be bothered by northern European nationalists (so-called Nordicists).  Working toward shared interests is the thing to do; the differences can be dealt with later… ignore those who don’t understand this.

I’m not bothered by them. I am bothered by the fact that they deter people from the movement. But, they probably attract some (far less) as well and I’m ok with Nordic preservation. That isn’t White Nationalism though as far as I’m concerned. Neither is White Nationalism massive Polish and Italian immigration to America and other European countries.

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Posted by Lurker on January 05, 2012, 12:21 AM | #

I am bothered by the fact that they deter people from the movement.

Agreed.

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Posted by Silver on January 05, 2012, 02:03 AM | #

danj,

I disagree. Every situation calls for something different. I’m a pragmatist. Sometimes screaming “fuck you” at the top of your lungs works better.

I happen to think so, too.  But considering the context of MR, what could have ever led you to believe that it would be appropriate (or effective) here?

It’s good that you’re a pragmatist.  I also pride myself on being a pragmatist (not a philosophical one, though I do value their insights).  In this case, however, I think it’s only fair to call you a rather incompetent one—as a pragmatist, I’m sure you’ll agree!

The lengthy comment was about WN in general. Personal attacks are good. They make shit interesting. This needs to be entertaining. It’s like “beef” between rappers. Sells records.

I’m not. I know what a piece of shit I am and I don’t worry too much about it. I am what I am. I like beer and fighting.

Not opposed to insults, invective, etc.

Always pretend to be angry and infuriated. I sleep like a baby though. Although sometimes my back bothers me.

This only makes it clearer that the comments touched a sore spot.  You’re not alone there.  It’s a sore spot for many.  The inability and/or unwillingness of WNs to deal with this effectively can be added to their long list of egregious failures.

I’m not bothered by them. I am bothered by the fact that they deter people from the movement. But, they probably attract some (far less) as well and I’m ok with Nordic preservation. That isn’t White Nationalism though as far as I’m concerned. Neither is White Nationalism massive Polish and Italian immigration to America and other European countries.

Interesting viewpoint.  To me, saying you’re “ok” with nordic preservation—or let’s really really strike fear into people’s hearts and call it nordicism—means you believe it’s something that couldoccur, but it’s not something you believe should occur. Life would be bearable were a nordic (or germanic) race to exist in perpetuity and exclusivity (the one implying the other), but, as far as you’re concerned, it’s just not on.

I don’t see how you can reconcile White Nationalism (as per your definition) with opposition to massive Polish and Italian immigration to America.  It all seems just too convenient, as though “massive” is precisely anything more than that level of immigration which allowed your own predecessors to alight. 

What’s my interest in any of it?  Firstly, I must hark back to the episode I’ve already recounted a few times, in which I heard a “news report” (hmmm) on the radio some twenty years ago stating that experts expect blonds to go extinct in the future.  Blond, of course, equated to nordic/germanic/teutonic in my mind, so I was initially jubilant—after all, no one would any longer have to put with their spite and hatred, and the world (or at least non-germanic Europe) would no longer have to worry about their militaristic jack moves.  The jubilation was immediately followed by a totally unexpected pang of regret: holy crap, “extinct” = gone forever, never to be seen again.  This would definitely be a poorer world without any of these people in it, I felt.  (Nowadays I would add that surely the world’s big enough for all of us.) 

Secondly, I’m no WN (not even by danj’s looser definition), but I do consider myself a racialist.  However I define my group (and there’s obviously more than one way, which is something inherent in the nature of race), I would not like it if a sufficiently unrelated group felt it had the right to tell me that I must accept a certain number of them into any society composed of my in-group, ie in the way which “WNs” are forever telling NW Europeans—“Oh, I understand you don’t want masses of us, but surely man, surely you must allow for some!”  So fair’s fair.  If I claim the right to exclude I have to support others right to exclude as well.

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 05, 2012, 02:21 AM | #

So fair’s fair.  If I claim the right to exclude I have to support others right to exclude as well.

Silver wishes to exclude niggers so he will deign to allow Nordics to exclude wogs.  Aww, ain’t the Silvster a swell guy.  LOL

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Posted by Silver on January 05, 2012, 02:31 AM | #

Re Greg Johnson

Dissenting from the views of would-be or self-styled leaders is fair game.  But the vehemence with which some denounce Greg Johnson is quite incredible, so much so that were I more spiteful I should take a certain glee in watching you cannibalize your leading lights for the dregs. 

Perhaps as if to help confirm Richards’ kooked out theories, I’ll let it be known that not long ago I considered making a small (as in tiny) donation to CC (which Johnson could confirm). Ultimately I held back because of Johnson’s willingness to hobnob with the most unsavoury elements among WNs, suggesting to me that he’s not quite as “reluctant” a hater as he claims—if the man’s “controlled opposition” he’s not putting my mind at ease.

As for CC’s funding drive, I’m not so sure $25,000 was reached.  It all seems so perfect.  They languished at $11,000 for weeks on end. Then a mysterious benefactor shows up and pledges to match donations up to $6,000, which, wouldn’t you know it, would total up to almost exactly the $25,000 requested.  Then the donations began to pour in at a faster clip, but $25,000 still seemed out of reach.  Then the “thermometer” which was supposed to be updated daily going into the finale remained frozen for the last few days.  Until the due date arrives and—sweet deliverance!—they just scrape in, with twenty five thousand something, something hundred and something, something dollars and , lol, something like 37 cents.  Well, why the irregular dollars and why the cents?  (Someone really donated $14.65?  No way he could make it $15?)

That said, I do wish their operation well (we can kill each other later).  When you get down to it, more than a few people need to begin raking it in from WN before it can get off the ground.

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Posted by Greg Johnson on January 05, 2012, 03:13 AM | #

Sliver,

Do you really think it an astonishing coincidence that the donor who wanted us to meet our publicly announced goal offered us a matching grant that was half of the amount that we needed to get there?

Do you really think it unusual that as the deadline approached, more people decided to throw in donations so we could make our goal?

Do you really find it unaccountable that some people made donations of symbolic amounts like $14.88 and other numbers the significance of which escapes me?

You seem relatively harmless compared to most of the people here, Silver, but you are still a game player.

But this is serious business. If I could change just one thing about White Nationalists, I would not make them National Socialists or Evolian Traditionalists or anything so abstract and specific. I would just make the silly people into serious ones. The rest would follow from that.

 

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Posted by Silver on January 05, 2012, 04:10 AM | #

Silver wishes to exclude niggers so he will deign to allow Nordics to exclude wogs.  Aww, ain’t the Silvster a swell guy.  LOL

That almost sounds as though you don’t actually believe I’m a swell guy, Cap.  But why ever not?  Just what is so ghastly or “dishonourable” about getting what you want through helping someone else get what he wants?  (Isn’t that the basis of all commercial exchange? And aren’t we all better off for it?)

Anyway, you’re only seeing one side of it.  Recall that another of my longstanding plaints about “WN” is its introduction of the “whiteness” issue—in its attempt to assuage fears, soften image and bolster numbers—into realms (ie among peoples) where it is largely unknown, largely unwanted and can do no possible good.  Whether you want to admit it or not, we both believe, you and I, that many of the people (though certainly not all) thus drawn into “WN” do not properly belong there—or at least that there is somewhere better/more appropriate for them.  But whereas your approach requires fending them off after they’ve fallen victim to the siren call, mine entails enabling them to resist it in the first place (as well siphoning them off again after the unfortunate event).

Now, if you’re typical of most WNs I’ve had the “pleasure” of interacting with (and I think you are), you’ll be incredulous, utterly incredulous, that anyone would willingly (even happily) distance himself from The White Race.  Possibly or probably this is owing to the “race-realism” you’ve imbibed.  In this view, white (nordic) societies are so incomparably superior and non-white (or “less white”) societies are so incomparably inferior that no one in his right mind could ever—not in a million years—be persuaded to voluntarily depart one for the other. 

I challenge this view.  While I’d agree they’re often knowledgeable, I don’t believe WNs are any sort of experts in “what race means.”  Have you ever read an Attack/NatVanguard article about Portugal penned by some Ray Smith?  That article is a good example of the cocksure attitude towards race so typical of WNs.  Portugal was once a fine country, the story goes, but then it mixed its blood and began to inexorably sink into oblivion, and, knowing what we know (ie it ain’t gettin’ any whiter), it can only be expected to sink further still.  That article was written around 1980 (give or take), I’m going to guess.  Since its writing, almost as if on cue, Portugal proceeded to almost double per capita gross domestic output (ie “the economy”).  (There are those who are keen to ascribe present day difficulties to race—whaddya expect from a pack of swarthoids? hawhaw—but that’s the point: the same could have been (and, as the Ray Smith article proves, was said) at any other point in the past, only to be proven wrong by later events.) 

Now, that’s only “the economy,” not cultural or scientific attainment. But the usual charge among WNs is that non-whites/less-whites only stick around white countries for the goodies (for economic reasons) that they could never, ever produce for themselves on their own and only harm/threaten whites’ abilities to produce them for themselves and/or others on into the future, so it’s quite appropriate to respond to WNs at the level of economics. 

And of course, strictly speaking, Ray Smith’s point of view is more an argument for eugenics than WN or racialism.  That’s fine by me.  You’ll struggle to find a more avid eugenicist.  And it’s one reason why I’m much more sanguine about other races’ prospects than the average WN.  Eugenics is always an answer.  It’s not necessarily the answer (though I fail to see why not), but it’s always an answer.  The practise of eugenics is always something that helps, that improves, that brightens; only rarely (but totally avoidably) is it something that hurts, that hinders, that depresses.  So while eugenics cannot necessarily be counted on to deliver all that one may desire, its routine practise will always work to ameliorate that which came before.

Getting back to race, though, there’s no good reason that I can see why there shouldn’t be both racialism (or racial separatism, “racial living”) as well as eugenics.  I’m certainly not advocating the latter in favor of the former.

 

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Posted by A on January 05, 2012, 04:31 AM | #

danielj,

You should sign up on VNN forum and start posting - you would really liven that place up (it’s been very boring lately)!!

In fact your writing style and attitude (at least in this thread) kinda remind me of Alex Linder….

 

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Posted by Silver on January 05, 2012, 04:59 AM | #

Greg Johnson,

Do you really think it an astonishing coincidence that the donor who wanted us to meet our publicly announced goal offered us a matching grant that was half of the amount that we needed to get there?

Of course not.  But you must admit it seems suspicious the way the thermometer was frozen when a promise was made to update it daily.  And then dramatically scraping in at the last minute—yes, more people donated as the deadline approached, but how would any one donor know how his individual donation affected the total so as to size it “just right” so that the total achieved was almost precisely that requested?  Not impossible, just adds to the suspicion.  And then the “37 cents,” okay fair enough, I didn’t think of “symbolic” amounts like $14.88.  That would explain that.  It could be that you’re a paragon of financial prudence who simply must account for every penny but I think you should have suspected that it’d raise suspicions to state such a definite total, especially against the backdrop of the aforementioned factors. 

In any case, I’m glad you made it.  May you make ten and ten times ten as much, Greg. 

You seem relatively harmless compared to most of the people here, Silver, but you are still a game player.

Oh boy, are you ever wrong about that. 

But this is serious business. If I could change just one thing about White Nationalists, I would not make them National Socialists or Evolian Traditionalists or anything so abstract and specific. I would just make the silly people into serious ones. The rest would follow from that.

That’s fair enough.  But no matter how serious one is there’s no obvious “next step,” is there?  That’s why presumably totally serious actors like Robert Matthews and James von Brunn and Anders Breivik go off half-cocked, doing far more to harm the cause they care so much about than to help it.

But imagine the sort of ideas discussed here and at your site (and in your literature) were part of the air people breathed.  Of itself, it wouldn’t guarantee anything, but the intolerability of the status quo (and particularly what it threatens) would be apparent to almost all (or at least the idea of its intolerability would seem reasonable) and the idea of steps being taken to avert the looming disaster would strike people as perfectly normal. 

The jovial, even carefree tone I often discuss these issues in reflects three things: the normalcy I see in the subject matter and the normalcy of desiring to do something about it; the lack of “panic” or upset about the upheaval that “doing something” implies; and the lack of animosity towards those I’d prefer to be apart from which, say what you will, seems to form such an integral part of what “serious people” feel. 

In any case, I don’t see how your cause is hindered by the existence of people like me.  I can see many, many ways in which it (or an important part of it) would be helped along greatly.

 

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Posted by MOB on January 05, 2012, 07:46 AM | #

Silver: Ultimately I held back because of Johnson’s willingness to hobnob with the most unsavoury elements among WNs, suggesting to me that he’s not quite as “reluctant” a hater as he claims—

1.  Please name the “unsavoury elements” so that I may understand both of you better.

2.  The mere fact that the “nsavoury elements” did go unnamed is significant in itself.  What does it signify?

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Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 08:26 AM | #

  To me, saying you’re “ok” with nordic preservation—or let’s really really strike fear into people’s hearts and call it nordicism—means you believe it’s something that couldoccur, but it’s not something you believe should occur. Life would be bearable were a nordic (or germanic) race to exist in perpetuity and exclusivity (the one implying the other), but, as far as you’re concerned, it’s just not on.

That isn’t what I’m saying.

What I’m saying is public WN should be a united front. I’m talking about Nordicism in America. I don’t know a single unmixed European. I know maybe a few Scandinavian looking fellows. California is full of mixed Europeans. New England is full of mixed Europeans. There are no Mayflower descendants left.

Now, the English can imagine they are “Nords” (which is just as big an abstraction as “Whites”) if they wish but I just don’t see anything in common between these various Nords people are always talking about.

When I say “White” I simply mean American and when I say American I do not mean of pure English descent. This is just acknowledging the reality on the ground. It is also true that North Dakota and parts of Michigan are full of pure Nordic stock. Some in the Pacific Northwest too. There are some blond haired, blue eyed people up there and so it shall remain!

But American Whites are, in general, hopelessly mixed as far as I’m concerned. I don’t have a problem with that. It is a beautiful thing. I think we are the most beautiful, friendly Whites on the planet. I have no problem with Nordicism. What I have a problem with is Nordicists on the internet. What I have a problem with is an American WN that is hell bent on kicking White people out the country. To where exactly? Consensus must be reached if we are to move forward.

The point about immigration is that massive continued immigration from Italy (or anywhere really) isn’t wise. America needs to just simmer for while. I’m conceding to the English that this is an English colony and acknowledging the cultural matrix I grew up in. I feel completely at home in England because of it.

The only massive influx I’d be willing to assent to presently would be the resettlement of Whites from South Africa and Zimbabwe.

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Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 08:29 AM | #

danielj,

You should sign up on VNN forum and start posting - you would really liven that place up (it’s been very boring lately)!!

In fact your writing style and attitude (at least in this thread) kinda remind me of Alex Linder….

I’m going to do my own thing.

Although I do think Linder serves a useful purpose.

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Posted by daniel on January 05, 2012, 09:37 AM | #

DanielJ,

You are worried about massive Italian immigration? From where to where?

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Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 09:48 AM | #

I’m not worried about it.

It’s the Nordic Thunder Squad’s swarthy boogeyman. That and the tiny number of Italians here all living in incredible small spaces like Long Island, shitty Philadelphia and fucked up parts of New Jersey. Half the squad have never even seen a shitskin and they are worried about Italians on the front lines contaminating their gene pool.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 05, 2012, 10:01 AM | #

The thing I like best about VNNforum is the new policy of accepting new members only under their real names. I hope that will produce some positive developments in the long term. In fact, since that’s my current hobby horse, I should probably gallop over their and post something.

“Hi-yo, Silver! Away! .....”

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Posted by daniel on January 05, 2012, 10:32 AM | #

Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 09:48 AM | #

I’m not worried about it.

It’s the Nordic Thunder Squad’s swarthy boogeyman. That and the tiny number of Italians here all living in incredible small spaces like Long Island, shitty Philadelphia and fucked up parts of New Jersey. Half the squad have never even seen a shitskin and they are worried about Italians on the front lines contaminating their gene pool.

Sounds good. In the N.Y. metropolitan area there is an ignorant kind, quick to fight and of vulgar taste. But that is more or less a defensive thing. I don’t see them looking to diminish the well being of other European kinds. In fact, I am sure that is not the case. More, I think first hand knowledge would have the Nordics finding many quite unlike that stereotype, reasonable and decent folks. In addition, Italians have had among the lowest birthrate for decades. And ultimately, I think that all good WN’s would agree to maintain all the distinct kinds of Europeans. I think we all want England, The U.K. and all European countries to be well more than 90% of their native own. It is unfortunate - tragic - that the EU is wreaking havoc with that.

You make an important point, however. If they think Italians are bad, they should have to grow up and live with niggers - East Orange, beautiful! Then maybe they’d understand a trivial difference from a profound difference.


And in light of that, the combo Europeans in America emerge not to bad a compromise. I had a girlfriend who was half Italian and half Irish. She was brilliant and beautiful.

 

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Posted by daniel on January 05, 2012, 10:41 AM | #

* not too bad a

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Posted by Dasein on January 05, 2012, 01:39 PM | #

Vintage Silver smile

1:

I’ll let it be known that not long ago I considered making a small (as in tiny) donation to CC (which Johnson could confirm). Ultimately I held back because of Johnson’s willingness to hobnob with the most unsavoury elements among WNs

vs.

In any case, I’m glad you made it.  May you make ten and ten times ten as much, Greg.

2:

Richards’ kooked out theories

and then:

I think you should have suspected that it’d raise suspicions to state such a definite total, especially against the backdrop of the aforementioned factors.

 

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Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 01:45 PM | #

The VNN forum is blocked on my work computer.

Hate/Racism.

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Posted by Nuge on January 05, 2012, 07:38 PM | #

I have no problem with Nordicism. What I have a problem with is Nordicists on the internet. What I have a problem with is an American WN that is hell bent on kicking White people out the country. To where exactly? Consensus must be reached if we are to move forward.

Do Nordicists want to kick other Whites out? I’m not sure about that. There have to be some Nordicists reading this. What do they think? I think James Bowery is a Nordicist. The blogger “n/a” who runs the racehist.blogspot.com blog is a Nordicist, I believe. I wonder what they think about it.

I think Nordicists want some sort of internal controls, like internal border controls. A father might want only males of a certain background to consort with his daughter, but ultimately this can only be maintained with some sort of border control of his environment.

 

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Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 08:54 PM | #

I think Nordicists want some sort of internal controls, like internal border controls. A father might want only males of a certain background to consort with his daughter, but ultimately this can only be maintained with some sort of border control of his environment.

I should have been more careful. I was characterizing to make a point.

This mixed-Euro wants internal border controls as well. Very strict ones. I only want to stop slightly short of the Narrator who would like to smash up all the interstates and bulldoze the airports.

However, the main impediment to any mixed or improper marriages should be the legally enshrined right of the father and mother to deny their blessing and invalidate the process. No marriage license should be handed out without parental consent. This is simply a necessary component of any WN worldview. I support this proposition without waver.

That said, I’m not sure that some Italian family of moderately decent character and temperment should be kicked out of Lansing after Chaos takes over. Basic human rights and some economic rights should be guaranteed to all Whites no matter where they live in the United States after its initial disintegration.

I will concede however that the disintegration of the U.S. is non-negotiable and that the essential racial character of the various “areas” of the United States will be the basis for the ethnostates that rise out of the ashes of the U.S. and that sovereignty should belong fully to those particular groups. We will of course have to cede parts of Southern California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Florida or make them “multi-racial” parts of our empire and guarantee as much security as we can to Whites that choose to remain.

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Posted by Silver on January 05, 2012, 10:11 PM | #

Dasein,

I’ll let it be known that not long ago I considered making a small (as in tiny) donation to CC (which Johnson could confirm). Ultimately I held back because of Johnson’s willingness to hobnob with the most unsavoury elements among WNs

vs.

In any case, I’m glad you made it.  May you make ten and ten times ten as much, Greg.

You are gloriously naive. 

Nevertheless, I kinda like you. So a free lesson for you in manipulating people.

I think Greg’s a rather reasonable man who has been forced by the pain of the circumstances to deal in and deal with some very unreasonable ideas and people.  By defending him against the charges here, by praising his work but not the people it attracts, and by wishing him well with his endeavours the hope is to influence him in a direction back towards the reasonableness he once knew. 

Guaranteed to work?  Of course not.  But it costs nothing to try, and the opposite would do me no good whatsoever.

Richards’ kooked out theories

and then:

I think you should have suspected that it’d raise suspicions to state such a definite total, especially against the backdrop of the aforementioned factors.

Now you’re just trying too hard.  It obviously wasn’t at all unreasonable to be suspicious about the sum raised given the points made.  Nevertheless, Johnson’s reply clarified a couple of things and at at this point it’s just unseemly to insist he’s lying. 

The comparison to Richards’ behaviour falls totally flat.  When has Richards ever acknowledged a point his opponent has raised?  Richards modus operandi is to simply snow his opponent with his prodigious output, peppered throughout with (baseless) accusations of malice or conspiracy.  His opponent eventually gives up from weariness.  And of course he’s playing to a crowd here, who lap up this sort of thing.

Anyway, don’t take want to take up any more of your valuable time. I’m sure you’ve got some dendrograms or pc plots that require urgent posting.

MOB,

I’m not about to put together any lists on your demand. But rest assured that any list of mine would have a harridan like you right near the very top.

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Posted by danielj on January 05, 2012, 10:20 PM | #

When has Richards ever acknowledged a point his opponent has raised?

Touche.

But he has never been contentious with me. Perhaps he knows exactly how much I hate the jews.

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Posted by J Richards on January 06, 2012, 12:40 AM | #

@Nuge

DanielJ: What I have a problem with is an American WN that is hell bent on kicking White people out the country. To where exactly? Consensus must be reached if we are to move forward.

Here you can see the first problem with danielj’s thinking.  Why would the so-called Nordicists want to exclude any whites?  First he should check their definition of white… in some cases the southern borders are drawn along the Alps, not farther south.  Second he should check whether the whites are sufficiently different and how many are asking for their exclusion… it’d be few, in which case danielj has no reasons to be concerned. 

Danielj: However, the main impediment to any mixed or improper marriages should be the legally enshrined right of the father and mother to deny their blessing and invalidate the process. No marriage license should be handed out without parental consent. This is simply a necessary component of any WN worldview. I support this proposition without waver.

Here’s the second problem with danielj, which is a failure to understand or appreciate northern European culture, which, among other things, has some respect for individual choices.  If the individual choices threaten the group as a whole, then of all solutions, the preferable one in the northern European sense is to keep out people who force a choice between individual rights and group welfare because most northern Europeans like their individual choices and also want group welfare. 

Some people forcing a choice between individual rights and group welfare will be northern Europeans themselves and northern European welfare requires that they be accommodated to the maximum extent feasible, but most will be aliens and it’s in this sense that a goal of minimizing alien presence in one’s region is hardly unreasonable, and working with aliens for mutual benefits or shared goals isn’t ruled out.

There’s Desmond Jones who comments here, a so-called Nordicist, but he also has no problems proposing collaborating with blacks in the Nation of Islam to the extent that this involves mutual interests [e.g., the Juden harm both whites and blacks].  This is what danielj needs to understand: working for common interests notwithstanding differences.

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Posted by J Richards on January 06, 2012, 12:46 AM | #

Lew @210

Okay, my sample statement is a standard that’s too high.  But it was a sample illustration, not a standard.  In this case, I’m not passing judgment on Thomas Goodrich or J. Sexton, but tying the piece [Sexton’s review of Hellstorm, Goodrich’s book] to the articles posted at Counter-Currents.com in general.  After reading the piece, I don’t see a reason to reevaluate my view of counter-currents.com as controlled opposition since any such entity must make at least some seemingly opposing arguments or else there wouldn’t be any credibility at all.  But as Johnson will tell you, if I were to expand my statement to a book, counter-currents will surely not be publishing it.

Assuming that arguments along the lines of my statement are valid, there’s at least one valid reason to exclude them from counter-currents web pages.  This would be an attempt to target a broad crowd that’s not well-aware of Juden’s malfeasance and shouldn’t be turned off by statements that apparently go over the top.  In this case, the administration can work toward building momentum with facts, organization of facts and a bigger readership before talking about more serious issues and/or discuss less serious issues online and offer books where more serious issues are discussed.  But this isn’t what I see at counter-currents. 

What I see at counter-currents is plenty of disinformation in Juden’s favor and conclude that this is a controlled opposition undertaking.

You asked me who I consider to be genuine.  I haven’t gone through them all, and can’t give you a list, nor is this of particular relevance as the principles, stated below, are what matter.

I’d say that the majority of people talking about Juden-related matters online are genuine because there are many more non-Jews than Jews and people are bound to state incorrect things out of ignorance or being mislead.  However, if the website disproportionately discusses matters that could get the Juden in serious trouble then the proportion of non-malicious individuals active in the comments generally goes down because the Juden won’t just let the internet take its course and undermine what they have going for them.  And when it comes to the creators or administrators of websites/organizations that pertain to serious matters that affect the Juden, I’d say that the majority are malicious [effectively malicious in case of blackmailed or involuntary participation] because leading the opposition is the best way to control it, the Juden have lots of money, and there’s a lot at stake for the Juden… this majority is easily the overwhelming majority in the case of events like 9/11… in fact, the 9/11 truth movement was created by the Juden, not people like me.

A practical illustration of this thinking is that when I come across a website such a vdare.com or counter-currents.com, I assume it’s probably malicious, but wouldn’t state that the website is apparently malicious without perusing enough of the website to confirm or deny what I consider to be a safe initial assumption.

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Posted by J Richards on January 06, 2012, 12:50 AM | #

Silver @242

When has Richards ever acknowledged a point his opponent has raised?

I pointed out your lies and distortions on fractional reserve banking.  It’s been almost a month since and I’m still waiting for your response: http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/money#c118964

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 06, 2012, 04:12 AM | #

JR,

MR isn’t a democracy.

And you have done a fine job acting as MR’s resident philosopher-king in GW’s (hopefully temporary) absence.  As such, I think it would behoove you at this time to attempt a productive dialogue with Dr. Johnson regarding the issue nearest your heart, the ending for all time of this horrendous weight which hangs as an albatross around the neck of our people - fractional reserve banking.  You certainly now have his attention. 

But to anticipate what I’m sure will be your principle objection - that Dr. Johnson is in the pay of, or in some other way compromised by, Jewry.  You don’t know that for sure.  You know you don’t.  It would be a shame and the loss of a potentially great opportunity to condemn this man without definitive evidence.  I urge you to speak to him as though you believed he could be convinced.  You have nothing to lose.

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 06, 2012, 06:05 AM | #

That almost sounds as though you don’t actually believe I’m a swell guy, Cap.

Call it a back-handed compliment cloaked in irony, Silvster.  Any ‘man’ who makes his per diem in the women’s garment industry is certainly not worthy of flattery.  Although one who dissembles so mellifluously must have, I acknowledge, some superficially charming aspects to his personality.  Something like a slug clad in silk squirming across one’s face.  That’s the best you’ll get from an arrogant Kraut.  LOL

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Posted by daniel on January 06, 2012, 06:19 AM | #

DanielJ,

“That said, I’m not sure that some Italian family of moderately decent character and temperment should be kicked out of Lansing after Chaos takes over.”

It’s very kind of you

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Posted by Captainchaos on January 06, 2012, 07:26 AM | #

Kraut justice tempered by English Moralism.  LOL

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Posted by danielj on January 06, 2012, 08:19 AM | #

Here you can see the first problem with danielj’s thinking.  Why would the so-called Nordicists want to exclude any whites?  First he should check their definition of white…

I get it. Believe me I fucking get it.

I’m operating on my definition of White and I think I laid out a pretty fair compromise.

Here’s the second problem with danielj, which is a failure to understand or appreciate northern European culture, which, among other things, has some respect for individual choices.  If the individual choices threaten the group as a whole, then of all solutions, the preferable one in the northern European sense is to keep out people who force a choice between individual rights and group welfare because most northern Europeans like their individual choices and also want group welfare.

They can do whatever the fuck they want in New Norway Richards. I don’t “[fail]  to understand or appreciate northern European culture” bud. That’s fucking laughable. “Individuality” and respect for “individual choices” are what got people into this mess but drawing the borders would probably solve a lot of the problem. Still, I think “freedom” is a huge problem.

There’s Desmond Jones who comments here, a so-called Nordicist, but he also has no problems proposing collaborating with blacks in the Nation of Islam to the extent that this involves mutual interests [e.g., the Juden harm both whites and blacks].  This is what danielj needs to understand: working for common interests notwithstanding differences.

No shit?! Why shouldn’t we work with them? Rockwell was smart enough to do that 50 years ago. Of course I can’t fathom why an Englishman would need to do so. That’s kind of American phenomenon.

Daniel has no problem understanding working together if everybody is kicking in.

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Posted by danielj on January 06, 2012, 09:06 AM | #

Kraut justice tempered by English Moralism.  LOL

Just ethics actually. There is a huge difference.

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Posted by anon on January 06, 2012, 02:25 PM | #

lots of divide and rule, not as successful as usual, goodo

Do Nordicists want to kick other Whites out? I’m not sure about that. There have to be some Nordicists reading this. What do they think?

I’m more into total biomass. If there were three billion buxom blondes to share round then this would be less of a issue. Perhaps if Nordicists thought in such expansionary terms rather than a slowly retreating preservationist one they’d be more chilled.

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Posted by Silver on January 06, 2012, 02:39 PM | #

danj,

What I’m saying is public WN should be a united front. I’m talking about Nordicism in America. I don’t know a single unmixed European. I know maybe a few Scandinavian looking fellows. California is full of mixed Europeans. New England is full of mixed Europeans. There are no Mayflower descendants left.

That’s obviously a very important point.  I think you exaggerate, but you’re in America so you’re much better placed to have insight into that than I.  My thoughts, in turn, are based on the country I live in.  Britons and such are still far and way the majority white type here, so much so that it’s perfectly reasonable they’d consider the term “white” applies to virtually them alone.  (Accurate or “fair” or not, that’s just how it is.) 

When I say “White” I simply mean American and when I say American I do not mean of pure English descent. This is just acknowledging the reality on the ground. It is also true that North Dakota and parts of Michigan are full of pure Nordic stock. Some in the Pacific Northwest too. There are some blond haired, blue eyed people up there and so it shall remain!

I don’t see the point in making such proclamations, regardless of how heartfelt they are.  Race (the “racial process”), as I’ve pointed out on countless occasions, follows its own logic.  The only way it “shall so remain” is if enough people with the power to make a difference insist on it and refuse to rest until structures, political and physical, are put in place to ensure it.  Anything else is wishful thinking.

What I have a problem with is an American WN that is hell bent on kicking White people out the country. To where exactly?

“No place to go” will present a problem for millions upon millions upon millions, many (perhaps most) of whom will be in no way white. 

Look, we’ve had our run-ins, but I’m not saying the following to have a go at you.  You’re from a working class background and like to swear and fight.  I’m no different, so I certainly don’t hold that against you.  But coming from this background, I think, tends to stunt our ability to imagine things being other than what they are (and this, I would argue, holds true across most IQ levels).  People from “better” backgrounds, often steeped in learning and accustomed to research, without necessarily being of greater (or much greater) native intelligence, tend to have a more highly developed ability to separate their feelings from facts and allow reason to open up broad new vistas of possibility before their eyes. 

The reason I say that is because you seem unable to treat America as anything but “America” (ie with all that that entails as you’ve always understood it).  Whatever happens in America must affect all of America or affect none of it.  All or nothing.  An all-white America or an all-mixed America.  Being charitable, let’s call it the “patriotic view.”

But when you get down to it, “America” is just a land mass, populated, nowadays, with a vast assortment of different peoples.  This is the context in which the “racial process” occurs.  (That is, people moving, meeting, mating, and, ultimately, making and remaking.) If the issue is race, then this is the level at which “America” must be dealt with. 

If you can accept that, then it should be much easier to wrap your head around the idea almost no one (ie expect the most obvious, “easiest” cases, like recent illegals) need be “kicked out” of anything.  The American socio-political landscape simply needs to be reconfigured to fit racial purposes.  Not only is this view more realistic, it is advantageous in every way. 

But he has never been contentious with me. Perhaps he knows exactly how much I hate the jews.

Yes, that’s his litmus test so it’s a distinct possibility. 

In contrast, apart from hypocritical, lying, world-hating scum such as Chabad and the like, I wouldn’t say I hate jews at all.  I certainly don’t hate them for racial reasons (that’d be like hating myself).  Jews aren’t to blame for being born into that hate-group.  There are plenty of Jew who’ve decided they’d “rather be human than Jewish” (count on the little cockroaches to quote that remark without the quotation marks) but are troubled by having nowhere to go—how to conceive of themselves, with whom to make common cause etc.  Trading-in one’s identity can benefit one, but the procedure is fraught with fear and doubt.

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Posted by Dan Dare on January 06, 2012, 02:48 PM | #

How does one go about trading in one’s identity Silver?

Are there forms to complete, affidavits to attest, ceremonies to be attended?

Or is it sufficient to simply declaim that it is so, as this chap did?

Please do advise.

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Posted by Silver on January 06, 2012, 03:12 PM | #

Richards,

I pointed out your lies and distortions on fractional reserve banking.  It’s been almost a month since and I’m still waiting for your response:

You didn’t point out any “lies” because I wasn’t lying.  I don’t think it’s at all likely, but there does exist a possibility that I misstated some things, which would amount to “distortion.”  But you’re a fine one to talk.  Your position layers so many falsehoods upon falsehoods that to call it a distortion is to be far too kind.  I can’t think of a single poster to whom the charge of “malice” would be more applicable than yourself.

I haven’t responded for two reasons.  The first is that I find your views are so fantastically out of touch with reality I see no reason to respond.  Indeed, the only reason I’ve done so so far is to vainly attempt to dim the taint they give the rest of the blog (fat chance!).  Secondly, I haven’t found the time (or the willpower) to sit through “The Money Masters” and collate all the quotes I consider representative of egregious misrepresentation. 

With regard to the latter point, I suppose there’s really no need to.  The Money Masters shoots itself in the foot early on and exposing the false premises established at the point should be sufficient to discredit the totality of what follows later.  This, I think, I can be bothered getting around to.

A practical illustration of this thinking is that when I come across a website such a vdare.com or counter-currents.com, I assume it’s probably malicious, but wouldn’t state that the website is apparently malicious without perusing enough of the website to confirm or deny what I consider to be a safe initial assumption.

The problem is your willingness to jump to far-reaching (in all seriousness, totally kook-like) conclusions based on the very flimsiest of evidence and then accuse those who don’t immediately fall in line of outright malice.  I’ll have to go back and check but I wouldn’t be surprised if you even did this with the moon landings, although in that case you have magnanimously granted that those who believed Americans landed on the moon were simply mistaken rather than malicious.

All in all, Richards, you’re a sorry sight.  More’s the pity because when you confine yourself to topics you actually know something about you can be concise and lucid.  (I don’t agree with your racial attitude—though I think you’re entitled to it—but I’m not ashamed to admit I learned a number of things from your posts from a few years back.)

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Posted by Silver on January 06, 2012, 03:39 PM | #

Dan Dare,

How does one go about trading in one’s identity Silver?

Are there forms to complete, affidavits to attest, ceremonies to be attended?

Let’s see, Dan, met any Galatians lately? No?  Lydians perhaps?  Surely some Jutes then?

The key to answering your question lies in appreciating that not only is identity multi-layered, but that even at the “highest” (most important, most prominent—typically national or ethnic) level we all possess “latent identity.”  We “are” what we identify as, but we could just as easily be identified as something else.  Are the Cornish merely Cornish or are they English?  Are Palestnians Palestinian or are they Syrian, or simply Levantine Arabs?  Much of the time, it seems to me, it comes down to choice; circumstance, to be sure, also, but there’s always an element of choice.

 

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Posted by danielj on January 06, 2012, 03:42 PM | #

That’s obviously a very important point.  I think you exaggerate, but you’re in America so you’re much better placed to have insight into that than I.  My thoughts, in turn, are based on the country I live in.  Britons and such are still far and way the majority white type here, so much so that it’s perfectly reasonable they’d consider the term “white” applies to virtually them alone.  (Accurate or “fair” or not, that’s just how it is.) 

Exaggerating is what one must do to argue a point.

Nevertheless… You should trust me. New England is full of half-Irish half-Italian folks. Driving, as one might, from Boston to “Penntucky” (Pennsylvania. Real, rural, White Penn in-between Philly and Pitts) one doesn’t really notice a difference in phenotype (if you’re aren’t on hair trigger and were raised in the country) or deameanor (same friendly type, just expressed differently. No New England style “ball-busting” in central Penn) but you are probably approaching some “pure” Germanics here. Maine is full of French and French/English hybrids. Ditto Vermont. Ditto New Hampshire (and recent, upper-middle half-Irish half-Italian Boston refugees).

Wither the English?

The few that exist and self identify as such, exist on the internet. These is simply sad but true. However, Americans are very culturally English. In fact, we are just English people that don’t listen to techno and don’t act like niggers when it comes to dress. Hence the feeling of arriving home when landing in England (after one has escaped the Heathrow pray room for the Muzzies). There are a bunch of half-German half-English types running around central Mass but they are vastly outnumbered by the descendents of the Portuguese whalers in the South Bay and don’t really consider themselves any different or any “whiter” than the Guese.

I can see that in Austrailia. They were white until 1975. As far as I’m aware, save a few Scottish setlements I don’t think there was much diversity there.

  The only way it “shall so remain” is if enough people with the power to make a difference insist on it and refuse to rest until structures, political and physical, are put in place to ensure it.  Anything else is wishful thinking.

True. Perhaps “fracking” takes off and the massive shoal deposits that the Captain is sitting on start getting harvested. Guess who they’ll import to do all the work?! We’ll see how the definition of white starts to change then. I certainly don’t wish that on the people of Michigan but this is the nature of modernity. It must implode or your version of reduced inter-racial antagnosim will certainly prevail. It is materialism and trade that are the biggest problem. Facebook, television, Twilight, McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. Hopefully the energy market collapses and billions die.

“No place to go” will present a problem for millions upon millions upon millions, many (perhaps most) of whom will be in no way white.

Which is why we must concede parts of US soil to multi-racial administration (or outright withdrawl) by a more loosely federated United States after its current manifestation disintegrates. I did write this. Comprises must be made with reality.

People from “better” backgrounds, often steeped in learning and accustomed to research, without necessarily being of greater (or much greater) native intelligence, tend to have a more highly developed ability to separate their feelings from facts and allow reason to open up broad new vistas of possibility before their eyes. 

I can when prodded. When Brad Pitt is explaining his vision to Edward Norton in Fight Club of “tiny figures pounding corn” on destroyed superhighways and in hollowed out skyscrapers I can picture my own future. It resonates. However, I’m sucked back swiftly when I hear some fucking bitch on the radio or see some whore carrying a $500 handbag…

Look, we’ve had our run-ins, but I’m not saying the following to have a go at you.

Have we? I’ve never assumed you to be doing so. I, unlike the others, think you are arguing in good faith.

  Whatever happens in America must affect all of America or affect none of it.  All or nothing.  An all-white America or an all-mixed America.  Being charitable, let’s call it the “patriotic view.”

Perhaps a few years ago but I’m pretty sure I wrote something else above. I’m pretty sure that I feel like the disintegration of America is a non-negotiable for WN. We will fracture. I’m ok with that. That really doesn’t make us un-American though. It will just be deTocquevillean America again. There is a lot that holds “countrywide” here despite the genetic and cultural differences.

But when you get down to it, “America” is just a land mass, populated, nowadays, with a vast assortment of different peoples.

Yes. But, scarily, eerily similar people of vastly different racial backgrounds live here too. I don’t know the last time you were in L.A. but everyone - EVERYONE - is wearing skinny jeans, Chuck Taylors and listening to KROQ. The mixing is fiat accomplai in many places.

If you can accept that, then it should be much easier to wrap your head around the idea almost no one (ie expect the most obvious, “easiest” cases, like recent illegals) need be “kicked out” of anything.  The American socio-political landscape simply needs to be reconfigured to fit racial purposes.  Not only is this view more realistic, it is advantageous in every way. 

I think I have. But some people must be kicked out. Some need to be stripped of citizenship and possibly sterilized. Some need to be only granted basic human rights if they choose to stay. There is much that can be said. I’m working on a lengthy essay right now that will hopefully turn into a book length treatment of the subject and the application of WN principles to cover most situations we’ll encounter here.

but are troubled by having nowhere to go—how to conceive of themselves, with whom to make common cause etc.

They’ve already gone somewhere else. It is just unclear where it is. If there are that many of them, they can make common cause with each other or Jared Taylor.

Nobody here hates “individual” jews for racial reasons Silver. That’s a straw man. But they are the farm team for the big leagues and must be treated as such. No ifs-ands-or-buts.

Trading-in one’s identity can benefit one, but the procedure is fraught with fear and doubt.

Depending on wich one you are talking about I might agree. I’ve been thru a million phases until I finally started settling down in my twenties. Identities are disposable like everything else is today. Some core remains I suppose but I dont’ have any idea what it is.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 06, 2012, 04:55 PM | #

Time out for a funny video. Wonderful accident at 49 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfm5mvek3X8

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Posted by Dan Dare on January 06, 2012, 05:20 PM | #

Silver:

An individual’s identity in the sense the term is customarily understood is not something which is self-defined, but rather a function of their ancestry, heritage, family background and social environment. It’s not something that can be shed like an unwanted carapace should something trendier or more utilitarian come along.

I know that it is modish these days for professional grievance-mongers and self-styled members of oppressed groups to refer to themselves as one-legged Hispanic transgendered lesbians or the like, but citing boundary cases like these, or even the Cornish, is a feeble and evasive response.

Is Sunny Hundal English? He says he is, so why shouldn’t we take him at his word?

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Posted by Dover on January 06, 2012, 07:06 PM | #

Greg Johnson writes:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/01/interview-with-james-j-omeara/#comment-16522

“I think that the gay rights movement exploits genuine grounds for discontent”

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/01/interview-with-james-j-omeara/#comment-16496

“Persecuting or killing [homosexuals] is frankly an evil notion that arises from the Black Book of the Evil Ones. It is not a policy that would be entertained if one started from Aryan reason.”

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Posted by Silver on January 07, 2012, 12:51 AM | #

Dan,

An individual’s identity in the sense the term is customarily understood is not something which is self-defined, but rather a function of their ancestry, heritage, family background and social environment.

You amaze me sometimes. Let’s take it as a given that you don’t like me.  But do I really strike you as so incredibly dense that the above would appear as any sort of a revelation to me?  Obviously an individual’s sense of identity is a function what you say.  Obviously.  Nowhere did I so much as hint that that wasn’t the case.

It’s not something that can be shed like an unwanted carapace should something trendier or more utilitarian come along.

Way to go, Dan. Just ignore the examples I gave and forge right ahead. 

I know that it is modish these days for professional grievance-mongers and self-styled members of oppressed groups to refer to themselves as one-legged Hispanic transgendered lesbians or the like, but citing boundary cases like these, or even the Cornish, is a feeble and evasive response.

I cited no such boundary cases, and the Cornish example is far from feeble.  Just what the hell do you suppose the English were before they became English?  Or consider “Armor” who posts here.  He’s on record as considering himself first and foremost a Breton, going so far as to curse “the Frogs” who roped his folks into Frenchness.  That’s a reverse example, shrinking one’s sense of in-group rather than enlarging it, but, despite not knowing anything about it, I’d consider it a safe bet there are some “core” French who believe those on the margins of Frenchness, like Basques, say, ought to be excluded, so the logic I described applies here, too: born Basque, having lived and breathed it, only to later desire to shed it—trade it in—for Frenchness. (Or, on a smaller scale, depending, of course, on the social environment, which you yourself recognize as a crucial factor, trading it in for, say, an Occitan identity. No reason to think it couldn’t happen.)

Is Sunny Hundal English? He says he is, so why shouldn’t we take him at his word?

Hey, it’s a fuzzy affair this ethnic business. If you’re after crisp, clear lines I’m afraid you’re going to be disappointed.  But if you’re fine with indeterminacy, then you’d be willing to probabilistically weigh the various factors and draw a confident, if uncertain, conclusion.

Hundal’s case muddies the waters because I don’t believe for a second he feels “English.” I think he’s just found a new way to piss off the Englishmen (like you) he despises or resents. 

But taken as a genuine case of redefining one’s identity, Hundal’s is fairly straightforward: impossibly difficult to believe he feels any sense of blood kinship with the English (since he so visibly obviously doesn’t share any) and impossibly difficult to believe any Englishmen would ever accept him as feeling it.  For the time being, the racial factor outweighs all other considerations.  A hundred years from now, if nothing changes in a racial direction, perhaps the calculation will no longer be so straightforward.  That said, the cultural factor can never be completely discounted, so it’s eminently believable that his sense of Paki or Bengal (or whatever he is) identity has so diminished that he’s now seeking out and weighing up other offers in an attempt to refine it, enlarge or shrink it, or eschew it completely. (But again, in his case, I believe it’s all a gimmick.)

Anyway, I was talking about Jews, not pakis or nigs.  Like it or not, Jews are both racially and culturally much closer to home.  Say a Jew feels he’s had enough of Jewishness, and feels closer to the broader culture and its people and wants in.  Few are those who would deny that a Spaniard in France or a Pole in Germany who has paid his dues in time and acculturation (to say nothing of having established familial ties) deserves to be accepted.  But when it comes to Jews, ho boy, all bets are off.  A Jew can never, ever shed his Jewishness.  (Kevin MacDonald’s proved it! Unless it’s Tanstaafl’s children, in which case honi soit qui mal y pense.)

Please remember, this isn’t some prescription for what should occur, in terms of a “racial program” (be it the milder “racial reform” approach I favor, or a fully-fledged blood and guts WN); it’s a description of what does tend to occur, particularly the point about a Jew contemplating shedding Jewishness feeling the procedure fraught with apprehension.

 

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Posted by J Richards on January 07, 2012, 10:12 AM | #

Captainchaos @247

I think it would behoove you at this time to attempt a productive dialogue with Dr. Johnson regarding the issue nearest your heart, the ending for all time of this horrendous weight which hangs as an albatross around the neck of our people - fractional reserve banking.

I don’t have a need to specifically ask Greg Johnson questions.  I’m making a serious charge against him.  You’d expect him to ask for reasons because what’s in the original post is insufficient, but he doesn’t [another commenter, Lew, does].  I respond to Lew by citing some articles at CC.  Johnson doesn’t bother responding to them.  This is consistent with a few possibilities.  Either Johnson feels that it’s beneath him to respond as any response on his part renders some legitimacy to my claims, or he’s vary of what questions he may be forced to answer if he responds a little, or he has no valid response, or he doesn’t have the time, etc.  In any case, this is a scenario where I don’t need to specifically ask him any questions.

On the issue of not having enough time to respond, this isn’t very convincing because Johnson does respond to tangential issues that his buddies brought up, deceptively in opposition, but never the main issues such as his website’s treatment of 9/11, money, Jewish malfeasance, etc.  Also, if Johnson were genuine and trying to make a living off of his website, he would feel the need to spend a considerable amount of time in clearing misconceptions as this builds rapport, goodwill between complementary websites and is bound to translate into more donations, but his lack of response is more consistent with a base wage guaranteed to him by the Juden and performance and other bonuses on top of it… so why bother or why jeopardize a comfortable source of income?     

But to anticipate what I’m sure will be your principle objection - that Dr. Johnson is in the pay of, or in some other way compromised by, Jewry.  You don’t know that for sure.  You know you don’t.  It would be a shame and the loss of a potentially great opportunity to condemn this man without definitive evidence.  I urge you to speak to him as though you believed he could be convinced.  You have nothing to lose.

Okay, I don’t know for sure that Dr. Johnson’s working for the Juden, but I can guess and the likelihood appears very high that he’s working for them, which isn’t the reason why I’m not specifically asking him questions… the need for him to explain a few things should be obvious, and I don’t have to point it out.  On whether I should believe that he could be convinced, his response on the 9/11 thread is on record, and this is one individual who can’t be bothered with facts, which were presented.  In such cases, it’s pointless to try as how does one convince people without having them consider facts?

Danielj @251

“Individuality” and respect for “individual choices” are what got people into this mess but drawing the borders would probably solve a lot of the problem. Still, I think “freedom” is a huge problem.

Not so.  Again, compare the 1920s immigration restriction legislation in America with the 1960s opening of the flood gates of immigration, particularly from the Third world.  Is this an instance of the problem created by individual choices or losing control of one’s money supply and hence power to a hostile group?

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Posted by J Richards on January 07, 2012, 10:21 AM | #

Silver @256

You didn’t point out any “lies” because I wasn’t lying.  I don’t think it’s at all likely, but there does exist a possibility that I misstated some things, which would amount to “distortion.”  But you’re a fine one to talk.  Your position layers so many falsehoods upon falsehoods that to call it a distortion is to be far too kind.  I can’t think of a single poster to whom the charge of “malice” would be more applicable than yourself.

This reminds me of the problem I’ve had with Haller and others from your community.  You people don’t play by normal human rules; you play dirty and take advantage of our respect for free discussion by refusing to engage in facts, coming up with insults instead.  I referred to a 3-part response, where I cited facts and some math to reveal your lies.  Your lies about fractional reserve banking can be verified by any interested person as many people have documented the nature of this fraudulent practice.  Here’s an example by John Turmel, exposing the nature of fractional reserve banking and other banking practices: http://www.dollarpages.org/Banking_Mathematics.php 

I haven’t responded for two reasons.  The first is that I find your views are so fantastically out of touch with reality I see no reason to respond… Secondly, I haven’t found the time (or the willpower) to sit through “The Money Masters” and collate all the quotes I consider representative of egregious misrepresentation.

Keep it short Silver… you’ve got no valid response.  In the month that has transpired, you’ve left a large number of comments, often very verbose.  If you can take so many words to convey so little and write so much, surely, judging by your following statement, you could’ve taken the time out to respond. 

Indeed, the only reason I’ve done so so far is to vainly attempt to dim the taint they give the rest of the blog (fat chance!).

So you care about MR’s reputation… how sweet!

The problem is your willingness to jump to far-reaching (in all seriousness, totally kook-like) conclusions based on the very flimsiest of evidence and then accuse those who don’t immediately fall in line of outright malice.

There’s nothing flimsy about things that have made me draw some conclusions about, say, counter-currents.com: 9/11, money… etc., the conclusions were drawn from the treatment of serious topics by Greg Johnson et al. at counter-currents.com.  Whether my conclusions are kooky can only be decided by discussing the facts behind 9/11, money, etc.  But these facts are what you have no interest in discussing.  In the 9/11 thread, which was presented as a commentary on a page where I took the trouble to document facts galore, you showed no interest in the facts pertaining to how it was done and who could’ve perpetrated it; you had other things to discuss.  On the money issue, you again have no interest in the facts.  So getting this kind of response from you and your complaints to GW about me speak for themselves, and are a compliment.

Silver @262

Jews are both racially and culturally much closer to home.

The racial part is factual if overall genetic distance is considered, the cultural part isn’t.  The Talmud reveals what Jewish behavior is about http://www.israelect.com/Come-and-Hear/dilling/dcontents.html  These creatures, as a community, don’t behave anything like normal human communities, and it’s their behaviors that prompt others who’ve had sufficient interaction with different ethnic groups to dislike this community more than any other.  Some people half-jokingly even wonder if Jews are human [not in a biological sense] because of their behaviors: http://www.subvertednation.net/jews-are-not-exactly-humanwhat/

You could even find some Christian groups who believe that Jews are part the seed of Satan… again, a belief prompted by the behaviors of this community.

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Posted by Dan Dare on January 07, 2012, 01:26 PM | #

Silver:

I feel your thoughts about the transmutability of identity, its inevitability even, are important enough to merit a separate discussion, so I intend to open a new thread on just that topic.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 07, 2012, 03:19 PM | #

Some people half-jokingly even wonder if Jews are human…some Christian groups believe that Jews are part the seed of Satan… again, a belief prompted by the behaviors of this community.

Yes. I’ve seen speculation that, along with certain European royal bloodlines, are Neanderthal hybrid, which technically speaking, would not be human.

Horus Avenger was talking about a theory that these two groups comprise a dual seed-line, according to Sumerian legend, which, if I remember correctly, resulted arose from unions of Enki and Nergyl, father and son, with the same female partner.

Fascinating stuff, in my opinion. If it’s not true, it is like Henry Ford said of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, “everything happens as if it were true”.

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Posted by anon on January 07, 2012, 05:15 PM | #

Horus Avenger was talking about a theory that these two groups comprise a dual seed-line, according to Sumerian legend, which, if I remember correctly, resulted arose from unions of Enki and Nergyl, father and son, with the same female partner.

I was about to repeat my theory that inbreeding selects against empathy and over a long enough time-frame creates a nation of sociopaths but it seems the Sumerians got there first.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 07, 2012, 08:46 PM | #

I find your theory very interesting, Anon. I re-posted it over at WhiteRabbitRadio.

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 07, 2012, 10:22 PM | #

@JRichards at 264 et al:


Your money theories are all wrong (even if they happen to be right in some areas, like FRB), but in the end, who cares about ‘money’, my Jewish attorney, my Chinese dentist, my Eurasian girlfriend, etc?

This is a struggle between civilization and barbarism. A eugenic/dysgenic struggle. That is what ordinary whites can relate to. That is what an intelligent movement of the Racial Right must build on.

For example:

http://news.yahoo.com/7-teens-charged-beating-classmate-unconscious-174353443.html

Just looking at the title, we all know the race of the perps, don’t we? Look at the racialist bent of a lot of the comments (I glanced at perhaps 500 or more).

What is needed now for any nationalist movement is less abstract theorizing, and more pragmatic organizing to resist our dispossession and persecution. But that organizing needs to be conservative/normal, not wrapped in morally discredited, extremist ideologies, whether of the NSM variety (listening, Jimmy?), or of some bizarre and insulting neo-paganism (listening, Greg Johnson?), or some unintelligible (and therefore pragmatically useless) ontological type.

Enough talking, more doing, but ‘doing’ in a tactically clever, mainstream way. The latter has not even been attempted yet. Where is the mass activist organization for whites who are concerned about their race and its future, but who are not Nazis, don’t obsess over Jews, aren’t anti-Christian, aren’t persons willing to have their entire worldviews challenged, etc?

Where is the moderate pro-white activist organization that is needed to start the ‘racial ball rolling’ so to speak?

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Posted by anon on January 08, 2012, 12:21 AM | #

Jimmy Marr

I find your theory very interesting, Anon. I re-posted it over at WhiteRabbitRadio.

It fits pretty well. Nomadic pastoralist groups tend to marry closer relatives than farmer groups. The first farmers spread out in all directions from what is now SE Turkey including into the fertile crescent forming Sumer. Sumer was later taken over by semitic nomadic herders who originally came out of Arabia (Akkadians). The Sumerian myth might be an echo of different marriage rules between the two groups which the Sumerians saw as incestuous.

(For example IIRC Jewish law allows uncle niece as well as first cousin.)

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Posted by Lew on January 08, 2012, 02:43 PM | #

Leon:

I have come to believe there is no point in criticizing the other guy’s approach no matter who it is (NSM, Linder, Johnson, Brimelow, Taylor, CMS, whoever). It’s simply a waste of time at best and unnecessarily divisive at worst. They’re never going to change their approach because of outsider criticism, nor should they because it’s their time, money and energy. If you want a moderate group, you or someone else will probably need to start one on your own dime.

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Posted by Randy Garver on January 08, 2012, 07:40 PM | #

Leon:

Where is the moderate pro-white activist organization that is needed to start the ‘racial ball rolling’ so to speak?

I’ve offered to help you set up an engineering/sciences scholarship and mentorship program under a best-practices governance board model. How much more “mainstream” of an organization do you require?

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Posted by J Richards on January 09, 2012, 01:11 AM | #

Haller @269

Your money theories are all wrong (even if they happen to be right in some areas, like FRB)

Consider the following argument.

You: You’re wrong.
Me: You’re wrong.

Is this a meaningful argument?

My arguments on money aren’t “this is how it should be, end of story,” but why the situation is the way it is, how it should be and why it should be in this manner.

I could be wrong, but your criticism should be in terms of why I’m wrong, not simply “you’re wrong.” 

Read a few pages of this website and have some respect for people’s education.  If you can’t answer why, bow out of the discussion.  Be advised that you won’t indefinitely be allowed to misbehave.

but in the end, who cares about ‘money’, my Jewish attorney, my Chinese dentist, my Eurasian girlfriend, etc?

I suppose this is why you’ve been relentlessly promoting the Austrian School, without justification, ad nauseum… so much so that you’re one infraction away from being trashed.

What is needed now for any nationalist movement is…

To hell with your prescription.  You refuse to get in touch with Jimmy Marr to get donations from him, you refuse to take Randy Garver’s help, you don’t attempt to work on you own website, etc.

Where is the mass activist organization for whites… Where is the moderate pro-white activist organization that is needed to start the ‘racial ball rolling’ so to speak?

Don’t keep repeating this.  It’s been pointed out to you that in spite of a single focus on immigration and zealous attempts to avoid criticism of Jews, Jews go after any such group, destroying them in one way or the other.  So, if you don’t want to be discussing Jews, leave this website.

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Posted by danielj on January 09, 2012, 09:43 AM | #

Not so.  Again, compare the 1920s immigration restriction legislation in America with the 1960s opening of the flood gates of immigration, particularly from the Third world.  Is this an instance of the problem created by individual choices or losing control of one’s money supply and hence power to a hostile group?

The two things aren’t necessarily unrelated and aren’t necessarily related. I mean the big dates in “Money History” are 1913 and 1971 or 72 (whenever Bretton woods was).

The Sixties were essentially a rapid expansion of individualism and “individual liberty.” I’m guessing the immigration bill of the decade was marketed to the people as a freedom of movement issue and the extension of the Horatio Alger possibility to include all of humanity. It was the individualizing of the American experiment and its transmutation from a white picket fence ideal to one based upon “personal development” and the “freedom” to make choices.

I think we are just talking past each other.

I’m a Poundian. Control of the money supply (and just as importantly) the ABOLISHMENT OF USURY (and a debt Jubliee) are non-negotiable positions for WNs as far as I’m concerned.

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Posted by CS on January 09, 2012, 10:16 AM | #

About the only thing we all should agree on is that we want an ethnostate for whites only. Once we have that are focus is to expand our ethnostate and creating others. This does not mean invading other countries militarily and inviting other countries to declare war on us and destroy us.

If we make mistakes on monetary policy at least we will still have our ethnostate whereas even America with the right monetary policy will turn into a Third World shithole because of demographics.

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Posted by danielj on January 10, 2012, 06:20 AM | #

As I suspected:

On October 3, 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the legislation into law, saying “This [old] system violates the basic principle of American democracy, the principle that values and rewards each man on the basis of his merit as a man. It has been un-American in the highest sense, because it has been untrue to the faith that brought thousands to these shores even before we were a country.”

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Posted by Leon Haller on January 10, 2012, 06:45 AM | #

CS,

You are wise, my friend.

danielj,

I’m all in favor of younger activists like yourself doing heroic work for The Cause, but don’t fool yourself into thinking that WN will go anywhere without a tremendous amount of additional informational activity - which must include ethical arguments to counter the “I can’t support you because you’re racist” meme.

Persuading white majorities (or at least large pluralities of whites) to support measures to ensure racial survival is a large and demanding task. Sadly, after all the decades in which white extinction has loomed, very little progress has in fact been made.

If you were a serious activist you would come up with some type of non-intra-white-divisive Nationalist Ten Point Platform that, if implemented, advances white EGI without being rhetorically too far outside the mainstream that it elicits fear and immediate rejection (by whites).

In fact, that is a task to which the MR community ought to devote itself.

[BTW, this is none of my business, of course, but what do you do for a living (in general terms)? You mentioned something about being fairly high-income, but you’ve also made statements suggesting a “blue-collar” background. Just curious.]

 

 

 

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Posted by danielj on January 10, 2012, 07:02 AM | #

I’m all in favor of younger activists like yourself doing heroic work for The Cause, but don’t fool yourself into thinking that WN will go anywhere without a tremendous amount of additional informational activity - which must include ethical arguments to counter the “I can’t support you because you’re racist” meme.

The ethical work is done. Alasdair MacIntyre and Christopher Lasch already did it. It is very simple really. Love is rootedness. Universalizing the idea of love and sacrifice abolishes it. It is a local phenomena and an autochthones flowering that occurs at the most base level. Higher orders dissolve everything into mere sentimentality.

Persuading white majorities (or at least large pluralities of whites) to support measures to ensure racial survival is a large and demanding task. Sadly, after all the decades in which white extinction has loomed, very little progress has in fact been made.

Of course. It starts with converting your own family.

If you were a serious activist you would come up with some type of non-intra-white-divisive Nationalist Ten Point Platform that, if implemented, advances white EGI without being rhetorically too far outside the mainstream that it elicits fear and immediate rejection (by whites).

I’m working on it. But anything that is self-consciously “nationalist” is still going to draw fire.

In fact, that is a task to which the MR community ought to devote itself.[BTW, this is none of my business, of course, but what do you do for a living (in general terms)? You mentioned something about being fairly high-income, but you’ve also made statements suggesting a “blue-collar” background. Just curious.]

I’m a Troubleman (soon to be Foreman) at Southern California Edison Leon. Unless of course, you inform your ADL pukes so I get fired for waaaaycism.

I cleared about 220 this year bud. I’m not sure that is “high” income. I plan on making more.

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Posted by Graham_Lister on January 10, 2012, 07:27 AM | #

@danielj

I agree that the particular nature of human love and concern is a vital insight - it really cannot authentically be made to be ‘universal’ except by God (if he is real).

Also I agree that virtue ethics is a great place to start to think about the particular and the ethical, as virtue is almost always defined, in part, in highly specific and ‘local’ cultural terms. Finally, I agree Alasdair MacIntyre is well worth reading. Are you thinking of “After Virtue”?

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Posted by danielj on January 10, 2012, 09:18 AM | #

Finally, I agree Alasdair MacIntyre is well worth reading. Are you thinking of “After Virtue”?

Yes. But I think, if I’m remembering correctly, that if one reads “Whose Justice?, Whose Rationality?” that one can dispense with “After Virtue” if one is pressed for time.

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 10, 2012, 09:55 AM | #

one can dispense with “After Virtue” if one is pressed for time.

Yep. Sounds like the American way. grin

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Posted by danielj on January 10, 2012, 09:56 AM | #

Yep. Sounds like the American way.

Too busy making dollars to try to make sense! wink

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Posted by J Richards on January 11, 2012, 07:02 AM | #

Haller @277: don’t fool yourself into thinking that WN will go anywhere without a tremendous amount of additional informational activity - which must include ethical arguments to counter the “I can’t support you because you’re racist” meme.

Recently elsewhere, Haller provides an illustration of an ethical argument:

“Feral negroids - another reason for…”

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments//public_schools_cash_is_trash_and_the_new_world_order#c120903

Danielj @274, 276

The Sixties were essentially a rapid expansion of individualism and “individual liberty.” I’m guessing the immigration bill of the decade was marketed to the people…

C’mon!  Many people had no idea, others were told the ethnic status quo wouldn’t change, there was no internet, the press was under Juden control, etc.  There’s no way the people approved it. 

On October 3, 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson…

This is the same guy who handed over American nuclear tech to Israelis, which JFK was staunchly against.  LBJ also didn’t do anything about the Israelis deliberately attacking the USS Liberty.  LBJ did what the Juden wanted.  Some even wonder if LBJ was secretly Jewish (I have no information on this topic).

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Posted by danielj on January 11, 2012, 09:11 AM | #

C’mon!  Many people had no idea, others were told the ethnic status quo wouldn’t change, there was no internet, the press was under Juden control, etc.  There’s no way the people approved it.

Of course. The people never approve anything.

This is the same guy who handed over American nuclear tech to Israelis, which JFK was staunchly against.  LBJ also didn’t do anything about the Israelis deliberately attacking the USS Liberty.  LBJ did what the Juden wanted.  Some even wonder if LBJ was secretly Jewish (I have no information on this topic).

That probably explains why they killed him.

You might have missed what I said earlier so I’ll say it again. I’m not saying that they two things - individualism and power - are directly related. I’m discussing two different phenomenon that are running and developing in parallel.

I’ve made many statements recently about the necessity of power above all else. I don’t die that they people have almost everything handed to them from above.

Again, I think we are talking past each other.

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Posted by Lew on January 11, 2012, 06:14 PM | #

@J Richards:

This is the same guy who handed over American nuclear tech to Israelis, which JFK was staunchly against.  LBJ also didn’t do anything about the Israelis deliberately attacking the USS Liberty.  LBJ did what the Juden wanted.  Some even wonder if LBJ was secretly Jewish

OT, but if you care to respond, what do you think of the theory the Jews had JFK assassinated?

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Posted by Jimmy Marr on January 11, 2012, 06:47 PM | #

I’ve certainly read that LBJ was a Jew or Mamzer, but I can’t remember where.

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Posted by daniel on January 12, 2012, 10:45 AM | #

All da way wif L.B.J. y’all!

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Posted by CS on January 14, 2012, 05:59 PM | #

Lew,

Consider who killed Oswald. A Jewish gangster Jack Ruby.

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Posted by J Richards on January 18, 2012, 03:03 PM | #

Lew @285

OT, but if you care to respond, what do you think of the theory the Jews had JFK assassinated?

You can read all about it: http://jfkmontreal.com/toc_expanded.htm

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Posted by WL on January 18, 2012, 03:36 PM | #

To assassinate a highly popular sitting US President? That takes some chutzpah doesn’t it?

What could precipitate such a desperate move?

Maybe the threat of nuclear inspections.

But we all know this is crazy since the Mossad never engages in assassinations on foreign soil, not even when vital Israeli interests are at stake… Or do they?

Reading Shimon Peres’ reaction at the end of the following transcript, it is hard to discount such as crazy such a “Jewish conspiracy theory”.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/bbc-transcript-israels-secret-weapon-part-1/4659

00.13.24 Olenka Frenkiel: But while Dimona was going up, intelligence reports reached Washington that Israel was building an atom bomb.

00.13.30 Olenka Frenkiel: Despite claims that Dimona was for peaceful purposes only, Israel’s leader Ben Gurion was summoned to Washington. President Kennedy feared an arms race in the Middle East and demanded inspections.

00.13.45 Olenka Frenkiel: But when inspectors finally entered the plant in May 1961 they were tricked. They were shown a fake control room on the ground floor. They were unaware of the six floors below where the plutonium was made.

00.14.00 PETER HOUNAM, Freelance journalist: Well this was something of great pride and almost a legendary story in Dimona, according to Vanunu. When the Americans came they were completely hoodwinked.

00.14.11 Peter Hounam: All the entrances including the lift shafts were bricked up and plastered over so it was impossible for anyone to find their way down to the lower floors.

00.14.24 Olenka Frenkiel: After Kennedy’s assassination the pressure on Israel was off. His successor Lyndon Johnson turned a blind eye.

00.14.33 Olenka Frenkiel: Then In 1969 Israel’s Golda Meir and President Richard Nixon struck a deal, renewed by every President to this day. Israel’s nuclear programme could continue as long as it was never made public. It’s called nuclear ambiguity.

00.14.48 Olenka Frenkiel: The term nuclear ambiguity, in some ways it sounds very grand. But isn’t just a euphemism for deception?

00.14.58 SHIMON PERES, Former Prime Minister: If somebody wants to kill you, and you use a deception to save your life it is not immoral. If we wouldn’t have enemies we wouldn’t need deceptions. We wouldn’t need deterrent.

00.15.12 Olenka Frenkiel: Was this the justification for concealing the floors of the plutonium reprocessing areas from the Americans, the inspectors, when they came?

00.15.23 Shimon Peres: You are having a dialogue with yourself, not with me.

00.15.27 Olenka Frenkiel: But that’s been documented in a number of books.

00.15.30 Shimon Peres: Ask the question to yourself, not to me.

00.15.32 Olenka Frenkiel: I mean, is it not true?

00.15.35 Shimon Peres: I don’t have to answer your questions even. I don’t see any reason why.

00.15.43 Olenka Frenkiel: Ambiguity is a luxury unique to Israel. Today the country’s an inspection-free zone, protected from scrutiny by America and her allies.

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Posted by WL on January 18, 2012, 03:56 PM | #

Lyndon Johnson, Friend of the Jews

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2008/08/22/lyndon-johnson-friend-of-the-jews/

Next Wednesday will mark the 100th birthday of Lyndon Baines Johnson​, the first really pro-Israel U.S. president in terms of both word and deed.

Harry Truman​ has been enshrined in Jewish collective memory for recognizing Israel moments after its birth, but he maintained a strict embargo on arms to the embattled nation as it fought for its survival. His recognition would have meant nothing had the Jews of Palestine been unable to obtain Russian arms via Communist Czechoslovakia.

Eisenhower was cool to Israel from the get-go, treating it at best like an embarrassing and thankfully distant relation. Kennedy talked a good game but pushed hard for Israel to take back Arab refugees and shut down its nuclear program and at times outdid Eisenhower in assuming a bended-knee approach to Middle Eastern autocrats.

The atmosphere changed almost immediately upon Johnson’s ascendance to the presidency. Johnson–who as Senate Majority Leader in the 1950s had been one of Israel’s strongest backers in Congress–did not share Kennedy’s obsession with the refugee and nuclear issues, and his first budget, for fiscal year 1965, allocated $71 million in aid to Israel–an increase of 75 percent over Kennedy’s final budget. The amount nearly doubled in 1966, to $130 million.

Beyond the numbers, the nature and terms of the aid signaled a dramatic break with past American policy. Development loans and surplus food had constituted the extent of U.S. aid under Eisenhower and Kennedy, and anti-aircraft missiles sold to Israel by the Kennedy administration required a cash payment. Not only did Johnson become the first American president to sell offensive weapons to Israel (the missiles from Kennedy were defensive), he permitted the Israelis to buy American arms with American aid money, which meant no funds would leave Israel’s hard-pressed government coffers.

In the spring of 1967, tied down in Vietnam and wary of Soviet intentions, the administration tried to strike a neutral pose in the buildup to and the initial stages of what would become known as the Six-Day War​. But it was no secret–to the Soviets, the Arabs, or anyone else–where Washington’s sympathies lay. When in the course of the war the Israelis attacked a U.S. intelligence ship, killing 34 Americans and wounding nearly 200 others, Johnson accepted Israeli assurances that the assault was a tragic mistake and overruled senior aides–including Clark Clifford​, a mainstay in keeping Harry Truman on a pro-Zionist course in 1948–who urged the President to respond with harshly punitive measures.

After the war, Johnson resisted international calls to force Israel into withdrawing from the wide swaths of territory it had just captured.

While it was not widely known during his lifetime, Johnson’s affinity for Jews stemmed from early familial influences; his paternal grandfather and a number of other relatives were Christadelphians–fundamentalist Christians who believed the Jews would return to Palestine and create a new Jewish state. His grandfather would admonish young Lyndon to “Take care of the Jews. . . . Consider them your friends and help them any way you can.”

In 1939, while still a young and inexperienced congressman, Johnson was moved enough by reports of Jewish suffering in Europe to begin pulling whatever strings were necessary–not all of them legal–to save Jews from the Nazis. Over the next few years, hundreds of Jews were issued counterfeit passports and visas and brought to Johnson’s home state of Texas, where they began new lives in the safety and security of America.

Whatever else can be said of Lyndon Johnson​, he proved to be a true friend of the Jews and Israel. He proved it as a young lawmaker who did everything he could to get as many Jews as possible out of Europe; as one of Israel’s most important backers in Congress during the Jewish state’s early years; and as president by granting Israel then-unprecedented levels of financial and military aid and by refusing, in marked contrast to Eisenhower’s actions after the Suez crisis of 1956, to force unilateral concessions on Israel following the Six-Day War.

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