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WAFFEN-SS DEPEDESTALEDWAFFEN-SS DEPEDESTALED by Constantin von Hoffmeister
there he walks The knights of National Socialism, Berlin as Camelot, Hitler as King Arthur: elements of a fairy tale without a happy ending. Is this fairy tale a tragic one? No, it is not. The unhappy ending was a happy one for the people, once destined for extermination, that were liberated by the true ancestors of the noble Aryans. The East once more beat the West, the latter trying to kill the former with weapons once imposed upon it by the former with force, the former doing what it has always done best: overcoming through superior force. The cartoon that Nazis like to watch is one that is full of action and heroic antics, sacrifice and sappy melodramatic elements. What Nazis criticize Hollywood of doing (namely, fabricating propaganda to serve an unholy and monolithic mission), they themselves excel at doing. Nazis are notoriously one-sided creatures. They see what they want to see in themselves and refuse to see what others actually are. After a human being has digested a heavy meal, what comes out is brown. The geneses and results of historical events are multifaceted and colorful in their dialectic natures. The double-standardized coat of protection (against certain truths) that Nazis wear is full of holes and in dire need of a good stitching. but they refuse the tailor’s help Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on Tuesday, February 3, 2009 at 09:15 AM in Comments:2
Posted by Darren on February 03, 2009, 10:36 AM | # GW, why do you allow this sort of drivel to be posted? You might as well allow Silver or Razib to post stuff to the front page. 3
Posted by wild bill on February 03, 2009, 12:25 PM | # Here, something useful, how to pick up women: 4
Posted by Nicholas on February 03, 2009, 12:34 PM | # Wow what a disgusting post! I can’t believe a German, whom I percieve to be racially aware, hates his own. This is coming from a lover of the Soviets, and Israel! Lol Check his site to see: I try in a vein attenpt, to see his stuff as that of an artist. but he is anti-art. A creep. 5
Posted by Nicholas on February 03, 2009, 12:36 PM | # By the way, I meant he is a lover of soviets and israel! haha 6
Posted by John de Nugent on February 03, 2009, 12:55 PM | # Lieber Constantin, What would your friend Herbert Schweiger say about this? He is no monster! No, I think that as so often, these Waffen-SS men were honorable, but Hitler’s policies against the Slavs were terribly wrong. Leaders are responsible for leading, and followers and lowly soldiers (as in the W-SS) are responsible for following. Soldiers will always obey, in every nation, including the USA. This will realistically never change. Having served in the Marines, I can informo you that the main point is to learn to obey. A whole generation of young white men has now grown up with zero military experience (in the USA since 1974), which makes their writing about soldiers unrealistic. Soldiers are a product of their society, which they were born into and raised by. You yourself come from a proud military family, that the Kaiser raised to the nobility! So blame, CvH, the heartless psychopaths at the top! Blame Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, Bush, Obama, and those who are responsible for leading! Never expect the masses and lowly soldiers to lead themselves. We humans are social animals, a pyramidal life form, and a hierarchy. We never are ruled from the bottom up. (Although now the Blax think they rule, under Obongo!) John 7
Posted by sootandashes on February 03, 2009, 01:03 PM | # I’m not quite sure what the Dr. Seuss meets e.e cummings poetry interspersed in this entry is all about, but on balance I have to agree with this assessment of the Waffen SS. I don’t see how anyone can credibly make a case that any (say) Frenchman who joined up was in fact acting in the national interest of France. We have the Goebbels Diaries as evidence of this, certainly. On a national level, Franco understood this and stayed home. Horthy tried to do the same thing, but unfortunately got deposed via German intervention in favor of that insane gang of thugs. (The Arrow Cross leader wasn’t even purely Hungarian, as I understand it. Some sort of mongrel, wasn’t he?) 8
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 03, 2009, 01:41 PM | # I didn’t read the piece. CvH has some sort of anti-German fixation. That’s OK with me as long as he’s anti-race-replacement. 9
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 03, 2009, 01:53 PM | # Furthermore, the SS is sort of a non-issue today, isn’t it? What motivated him to write a piece critical of a non-issue? (I assume it’s critical of it; again, I haven’t read it, and I won’t because Constantin’s inner demons that motivate him to spit on Germany and fawn over Russia don’t interest me.) Is he replying to Russian skinheads? Is he exorcising his own inner demons, the ones that push him to trash Germans and Germany at every turn? Why in the world is an essay critical of the SS, no less, called for in the year 2009 with all that’s going on? Is there some pro-SS movement out there that has to be countered, has to be forced to undergo a reality check, has to be debunked? I must be blind, because I haven’t seen it, outside of shaven-headed combat-booted swastikaed muscovite skinheads. Maybe he’s trying to give a reality check to them, those Russian skins? If so, it’s Constantin who needs a reality check. Come back to Earth, Constantin. 10
Posted by Darren on February 03, 2009, 02:30 PM | # Probably trying to impress a young Jewess he has his eyes on. 11
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on February 03, 2009, 02:30 PM | # “Leaders are responsible for leading, and followers and lowly soldiers (as in the W-SS) are responsible for following. Soldiers will always obey, in every nation, including the USA. This will realistically never change. Having served in the Marines, I can informo you that the main point is to learn to obey.” But most members of the Waffen-SS VOLUNTEERED. Since you argue that “lowly soldiers are responsible for following,” why do you always portray the soldiers of the Red Army as bloodthirsty monsters? Were they not only “following” as well? And do not try to bring up Ehrenburg’s infamous quote. His hatred towards Germans was genuine. After all, he was able to witness first-hand the results of German massacres against women and children on the Eastern Front. I understand that the Waffen-SS is not necessarily a relevant issue in 2009, but try telling that to the majority of activists on the racist right. They never tire of extolling the “virtues” of this group of combat units, pretending they were the ideal pan-European army or some such nonsense. Most members of the Waffen-SS were fanatical adherents to Nazi (and hence anti-Slavic) ideology and therefore complicit in the crime committed against the Slavic East. The same cannot be said about the members of the Wehrmacht, most of whom were indeed merely “following.” 12
Posted by Darren on February 03, 2009, 02:46 PM | # By the numbers, the Jews you fawn over so much were responsible for far greater crimes against Slavs than the Nazis were. Hitler was chinese? Don’t let the facts get in the way of your usual incoherent anti-white philosemitic ramblings. 13
Posted by Guessedworker on February 03, 2009, 03:16 PM | # The Red Army was honourable in the defence of its own people, it seems to me, but entirely without honour in its offence against the German people (ie women and girls). Of course, there was that much quoted comment by a Russian general to the effect that the Red Army perished at Stalingrad, and it was the hordes of Asia who had brutalised and murdered their way to Berlin. But that’s more excuse than explanation. If leaders do indeed lead, as John says, the rapine and slaughter of innocents should not become institutionalised in the army’s conduct, regardless of who is wearing the uniform. As for the SS, it was integral to the Hitlerian vision of German manhood and national virtue. It surely believed it’s own publicity that it was the exemplar of the Herrenrasse. Given the profound moral disconnect between that lofty belief and its gangster roots in “Hummingbird”, you would think it would have striven with might and mein after some genuine German knightly virtues. Constantin, have you been in control of a poetic imagination while drunk? 15
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 03, 2009, 03:29 PM | #
OK if you say so, fair enough — but I’ve never seen that particular “majority of activists,” never once. To me the SS is strictly a non-issue. But then again, I don’t move in the real-life circles you do, only internet, so likely am not seeing what you’re seeing in terms of “activists.” Also, the real-life activists in Russia where you’ve been the past few years may constitute a “harder” movement than elsewhere where they don’t cut people’s heads off. 16
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 03, 2009, 03:42 PM | # Had I been alive and of age in 1939 and known what I know now about the real issues (not the propaganda, the real issues, the issues which, because they weren’t addressed properly, became the goundwork for the civilizational catastrophe we face today) I would have tried to volunteer as a soldier in the German Army (I’m American). If I wasn’t able to do that and was drafted into the U.S. Army I would have gone to prison rather than fight for the Allies. (Because of some Jewish grandparentage I wouldn’t have been allowed to join the SS.) 17
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 03, 2009, 03:47 PM | # (In a similar vein, had I been alive during Lincoln’s War of Northern Aggression I would have volunteered to fight for the Confederacy.) (I’m New York born and bred. — for non-Americans, that means I’m a northerner, the side that attacked the Confederacy.) 18
Posted by Iceman on February 03, 2009, 05:58 PM | # Worshiping the Reich is a form of rebellion. In prison gangs, people wear swastikas such as the “aryan brotherhood.” That’s rebellion. But honestly, just because the media hates Hitler doesn’t mean that anyone who dislikes the media must latch onto him. Hitler didn’t invent racialism, Hitler didn’t invent Socialism and Hitler didn’t invent fascism. It isn’t necessary to worship Hitler to be a racialist. 19
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 03, 2009, 06:09 PM | #
Except, of course, that it was a multi-national force.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/BuechnerAccount.html 20
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 03, 2009, 06:18 PM | # Estonia accused of anti-Semitism after memorial is erected to ‘SS executioner’
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Posted by wild bill on February 03, 2009, 06:25 PM | # Lets see… Saudis buying every kidnabbed white girl they can find to breed their own master race and MR contributor CVH is worried about Waffen SS (a fighting force dead now for 64 years. Hmmm, hmmm 22
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 03, 2009, 06:42 PM | # 28th SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Wallonien
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Posted by Colin Laney on February 03, 2009, 06:42 PM | # GW, why do you allow this sort of drivel to be posted? You might as well allow Silver or Razib to post stuff to the front page. Seconded, with the exception that this comparison is unfair to Razib, a extraordinarily well read and serious writer who is, in addition, less vocally anti-White than John Jay Ray or Silver. Razib’s redirects from this site to grotesque interracial porn images are funnier and more instructive than posts by CvH. In addition, they help rather than harm the cause of Majority Rights, by inflaming the readership’s sensibilities. If these pictures were occasionally to be run on Majority Right’s front page, they would be less harmful to its reputation and general level of discourse than CvH, et. al. Lastly, one should consider the question of having Razib as a front page correspondent from his perspective. Would he prefer that his own well informed and strongly argued writings enliven and illuminate the readership of MR as well as boosting its intellectual profile and prestige, or would he prefer that MR keep shooting its own feet off, time and again, with front page posters that are self aggrandizing half wits? There are many excellent and serious writers who are on this forum, starting with GW, and there are an equally large - or greater - number who have left in exasperation. In almost all of the latter cases, this has been on account of the management’s unwillingness to cull trolls and discord-sowers of all stripes. I think I speak for hundreds of people who are now occasionally lurking when I say, we would settle down and till the soil of this colony if only the governor would guarantee that all the Indians had been cleared out first and would never again enjoy equal privileges with the colonists. Otherwise, there is no possible way that we can commit to, or make a home at, this site. There has to be a guarantee that our collective efforts are not going to be sabotaged or destroyed outright - that there is at least a chance that what we are striving for can be allowed to come to fruition. This is impossible under the current conditions - talented posters will not stay and the indulgence towards people who bring our common cause into disrepute is flaunted. How can Majority Rights advocate the political Self-Other distinction when it will not practice the same? Isn’t the current state of the site merely the state of our nations in miniature - much reduced by giving the Other equal billing? There is a direct connection between declining loyalties and identities in the Western nation state at large and why so many talented posters who would happily work together for the common good here will no longer participate. In this environment, with so many mentally, morally, and intellectually defective standard bearers, - from John Jay Ray to Constanin von Hoffmeister - what kind of serious work or sense of community could ever conceivably arise? 24
Posted by J Richards on February 03, 2009, 07:54 PM | # Constantin is a pathetic clown. What the Hell are you doing posting at MR Constantin? To add to Desmond Jones, not only was the Waffen SS multinational, it was also multiracial: http://militaryhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/hitler_s_foreign_legion__waffen_ss (this link features lies about German racist beliefs, but mainstream acknowledgment of hundreds of thousands of non-Germans in the Waffen SS is welcome) http://www.landmarkmilitarybooks.com/Wehrmacht-SS-Caucasian-Muslim-Asian-Troops-pr-1950.html http://www.geocities.com/alvinlee_81/ http://www.feldgrau.com/azadhind.html At least half of the Waffen SS comprised of non-Germans from all over Europe and beyond. Why were the non-Germans volunteering in substantial numbers when the Waffen SS was allegedly “an active agent in the eradication of Europe as it has existed for millennia”? The truth about WWII is strikingly different from what the Jews tell us, and here we have Constantin promoting Jewish lies. You better learn Constantin or post this drivel elsewhere. 25
Posted by Darren on February 03, 2009, 08:28 PM | # Since we’re on the topic: A Belgian’s opinion of the Waffen SS (Leon Degrelle): 26
Posted by q on February 03, 2009, 09:53 PM | # Excellent post, Hoffmeister. But you must acknowledge that the very people [Jews] Hitler set out to annihilate, are now successfully annihilating ALL people of European decent. What’s so vexing about this set of events is the Jews, through various means, have successfully manipulated whites to turn against themselves, and in effect, caused them/us to unwittingly self inflict our own annihilation. 27
Posted by Wunderhund on February 04, 2009, 12:10 AM | # I agree with Colin Laney. I visited this site last year and liked it. Then CVH started posting. Aaaaargh! Really, the guy is a pompous ass, filled with self-importance. Maybe the admin is impressed by his ‘aristocratic’ name. But maybe his real name is Constantin von HofJude….. or, maybe he’s a product of the globalist brainwashing of post-WW2 Germans. It’s hard to say. He does strike me as having had one too many… Cheers! 28
Posted by Anti-Jew American Patriot on February 04, 2009, 06:51 AM | # I bet this Constantin character would love to go have an Ashkenazi Appreciation Festival over on this other weepy and spineless European’s blog where I just left the following comment as “CENSOR THIS” -
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Posted by Darren on February 04, 2009, 08:09 AM | # Hitler didn’t set out to annihilate Jews, so I don’t know what you’re talking about. 30
Posted by q on February 04, 2009, 08:19 AM | # “Hitler didn’t set out to annihilate Jews, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.” You’re right. My mistake. I should have said: Hitler set out to mass deport Jews. 31
Posted by Captainchaos on February 04, 2009, 08:44 AM | # Richards: “(and hopefully along with our African-American and some Hispanic-American brothers in arms)” LOL! Why do you keep pushing this line of inter-racial unity to fight the Jews? It is much more probable that Whites will turn against Blacks and Mestizoes than Jews. Why? Because, the deleterious effects of Jewish power is on the level of the abstract; it is the esoteric truth. Common White people are simply not intelligent enough to understand Jewish depredations, as it actually is. What they are smart enough to understand is that when Blacks and Mestizoes move into their neighborhoods they are rendered unlivable. What we need is more balkanization, not less; what we need is more White exclusionary politics, not less. “...TAKE OUR COUNTRY AND CONTINENT BACK…” That would mean the removal of maybe a hundred million non-Whites; most of the post-1965 non-White immigrants and tens of millions of Mestizoes. Richards, what say you to that? “...just as the German patriots of WWII were trying to do.” The objective of high ranking Nazis was to turn eastern Europe into a German plantation. “Those tragic and terrible wars definitely killed off the bravest and best Europeans…” Could very well be true. Reading Hoffmeister’s post sparked to same conjecture in my mind. North America may well be the refuge of the best northwestern European stock extant. Maybe those who are absolutely adamant about ‘taking it all back’ in Europe and hint at leaving us North Americans with a rump ethno-state should think on it. 32
Posted by apollonian2nd on February 04, 2009, 11:43 AM | # “Why do you keep pushing this line of inter-racial unity to fight the Jews?” -Captainchaos on February 04, 2009, 12:44 PM * * * * *
In answer to above-quoted query by “Captainchaos,” the reason, I’d submit, is it’s been done, and history demonstrates such gentile unity under St. Constantine the Great, early 4th cent. Anti-theses (Hegelian-type) were Christian TRUTH vs. Jew lies (as Gosp. JOHN)—which then translates to objective vs. subjective (also then, Aristotle vs. Plato). Observation is however, things have to get really bad for CYCLE of history—but consider the sheer Jew insanity demonstrated recently (and even continuing) at Gaza, Palestine. I keep telling u people history and socio-biology are CYCLIC—u all need to start getting wise. There’s no “good” Jew (Talmudist, by definition—see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo)—anymore than “good” psychopath or “good” child-molester. If u notice Jews have recently pushed notion only “zionists” are bad—this then is called, “limited hangout.” J. Richards only errs when he asks, “What the Hell are you doing posting at MR Constantin?” For note MR is owned/controlled, as I’m brought to understand, by “GuessedWorker” who is gross committed subjectivist-Pharisaic totally obsessed with “moralism” (Pharisaism and Pelagianism). “GuessedWorker’s” objection to Jews is merely they precede and monopolize what he, “GuessedWorker,” insists is his rightful purview—moralism. Sorry “GuessedWorker,” but note Jews are far more organized than u, with more funds and enforcers—are u sure u don’t work for them, urself? Note what hysterical control-freaks are such moralistics; fascism is necessary to enforce such moralism-Pharisaism, never forget, the pro-active application of that hubristic, perfectly “free” human will. And observe “morality” (Pharisaism) HAS ALWAYS been fundamental basis/justification of fascism, which fascism has always been rejected by white Western culture (except Lycurgan Sparta). Such Pharisaism-moralism then is matter of will AGAINST reason, subjectivism against objective appreciation. And it’s why fascism has always been held as ONLY justified in reason in self-defense, as very last resort. Pretension “GuessedWorker” is in favor of white people is utterly fanciful as white and Western culture, tradition, and heritage is objectivistic and Aristotelian in pointed contrast to non-white, non-Western culture. “GuessedWorker” is far more akin for his true thought and sympathy to that great comedian Immanuel Kant (for one), who evidently “GuessedWorker” wants to take seriously as genuine thinker. CONCLUSION: Comrades posting on this blog need to figure out entire purpose is prosecution of Pharisaism-moralism, esp. by the magnificent example on part of “GuessedWorker”—it’s his way of demonstrating his “virtue” of will. The rest of u are supposed to be intimidated in favor of “morality” (Pharisaism), esp. that great quality of “GuessedWorker’s—it only requires assertion of ur “free” will which is perfect (like “GuessedWorker’s) if u only exert ur (otherwise) weakling selves. Now get down and give me ten push-ups. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian 33
Posted by Von Smettin on February 04, 2009, 11:46 AM | # Mr Hoffmeister is a crypto jew. He is an excellent mouthpiece of jewish propaganda. He ushers lines and lines of inane sentiments, his knowledge of history—or its interpretation—is thoroughly through jewish lenses. I might as well be reading the Zionist journal, instead of reading his ethereal lucubrations. 34
Posted by Captainchaos on February 04, 2009, 05:19 PM | # We don’t need more unity with non-Whites in America. What we need is a Whites only political party, possibly with loosely, or not so loosely, affiliated all White militias. Due to the economic collapse much of the suffering our people will be forced to endure will come at the hands of non-Whites. We need racial separation to blunt the impact - the antithesis of cooperation. 35
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 04, 2009, 06:14 PM | # The suffering will come by the hand of the governing white elite, as it always has. 36
Posted by NC on February 04, 2009, 08:08 PM | # Huffnpuffmeister redefines pompousity. Try accompanying him in public. He is so impressed with his English that he believes ostentatious flamboyance alone to carry an argument, never a single fact or figure. No surprise then he is so smitten with God’s Chosen. Most baffling of all is the attention fix he scores, that I am so often as once a year forwarded his painful ‘Engrish’ poetry, the profundity intended by its Jewish structurelessness lost long before it jerks its winces, even if this audience is mostly confined to the snot-nosed, “red-brown”/“national anarchist” keyboard warriors for whom ideology is fashion: those who must never be seen bearing last week’s Weltanschauung on the e-runway. If you scratch your heads in wonder at the timeliness or relevance of his attack on the titanic honor of the legendarily brave SS, your clown-dars could use a tune-up. Constantine “von Hoffmeister” can be read like a book from whatever distant adventure vacation his mom & dad finance at the moment. Like his Zionist idols, CvH fancies himself your master, an aristocrat; to preserve this delusion he must trash his superiors, and on second look, it isn’t so ironic that he shares a target with them. The basic structure of Hitler’s order was outlined 2,000 years ago by Plato in his monumental REPUBLIC. Its fundamental principles remain true as ever: Democracy always degenerates into tyranny because mobs are inherently short-sighted and easy to manipulate. Aristocracy suffers the major flaw that Golden offspring are often born to Bronze parents, and vice-versa. In Plato’s -and Hitler’s- Republic, the supreme leaders were to be selected from the guardian class (the SS), not only for their excellence in performance and demonstrated courage but also their self-extinguishment, the subordination of their own interests to that of the folk. To all who knew him, from peasants to the highest nobility, from Norwegian Nobel Laureate Knut Hamsun to the 20th century’s most important philosopher, Martin Heidegger, Hitler was the true inhumanly selfless and far-sighted Philosopher King. This relates to Constantine in his identification with the incompetent, disgraceful aritisto-brat Klaus von Stauffenberg, to whom a voluntary, sworn oath rooted in hundreds of years of Teutonic tradition meant nothing, the self-important buffoon who couldn’t simply shoot Hitler with the pistol Hitler tellingly trusted his officers to carry in his presence, executing the absurdly ignorant plan while preserving at least a veneer of oath and honor. Instead, the coward planted a bomb, high-tailed a yellow streak, and only murdered innocent young men he could never best. The plotters Constantine praises were assessed well into the 1990s by non-SS German fighting men of the highest battlefield distinction and courage to be “the most incompetent, incapable men,” retirees of little notable distinction beyond the meaningless titles they earned at birth (read Irving’s ROMMEL). Even Allied officers had no respect for these vermin as they strutted around American prison camps as self-styled ‘co-victors.’ With seventy years of hindsight, we now know what these fools did not: that the multi-kulti pressure cooker and sci-fi nightmare we currently endure was exactly what Germany’s enemies (the deadly enemies of our people to this day) had in mind, that no cease-fire was negotiable, that if Hitler hadn’t preempted the Judeo-Soviet advance on Europe, Germany would be one huge Katyn grave, God’s chosen would never have abandoned ‘plan A’ (communism) in favor of ‘plan B’ (Zionism), and we’d likely find ourselves without even the few glimmers of light we see at the end of this unworkable tunnel. Like the overwhelmingly, disproportionately white front-line fighting elite of US forces in Iraq, the Russian soldiers of WWII deserve no less recognition for the evil of their masters, even if they did commit the greatest mass-rape in history under the explicit direction of Jewish NKVD political commissars. But the heroism, courage, discipline and honor of the SS demands special praise and distinction, and will take more than the florid verbal diarrhea of von Huffnpuffmeister to “depedestal” it. 37
Posted by Captainchaos on February 04, 2009, 10:58 PM | # NC, That is a powerful critique of Hoffmeister, and a stirring tribute to the manliness and honor of the SS by you. My faith-gene wants to believe. But what do you say to Frank Salter’s description of fascism/Nazism as a ‘fitness bubble’ that went burst? And just what the fuck do you say to the Nazi plan to ethnically cleanse most Slavs to the east of the Ural mountains, to freeze on the cold steppe, whilst the rest stayed on to slave for the Master Race? In other words, Hitler was prepared to give the Jews a better deal than Slavs. Hitler, rot in hell. The current economic collapse is the ‘big one’ White Nationalists have been waiting for, for decades. The ‘big one’ where our people would finally, because they will have to, listen to our message. We can damn well win is we just get organized politically. Jerking off to dead Nazis isn’t a part of a winning formula. 38
Posted by In Hoc Signo Vinces on February 04, 2009, 11:01 PM | # “Posted by NC on February 05, 2009, 12:08 AM | #” Sometimes I wonder if this is the Phora of FTB with insanity and anti-White ravings. The fact that, in these last days of the race, such puerile topics such as this and lucifer are showcased is a remarkable indictment of the host. As far as the WAFFEN SS, and NS Germany. They were the best team on the field of history. They had HONOR. Which is something these creatures are genetically incapable of having. The NS would have, could have saved the planet. They had the Vision, the ecology, the spirituality to do so. The Bosnian SS members, the Grand Mufti, this NS was an ecumenical transcendent entity. It was the WHITE Race’s LAST HOPE. 39
Posted by Captainchaos on February 04, 2009, 11:30 PM | # Sometimes I feel like tossing my computer out the window and just getting drunk. How is it that we have any feet left when we are so very adept at shooting them off? Why is it that WN has such a sparkling collection of kooks, fantasists, fetishists and psychos? Was the Night of the Long Knives really such a bad idea? “The NS would have, could have saved the planet. They had the Vision, the ecology, the spirituality to do so. The Bosnian SS members, the Grand Mufti, this NS was an ecumenical transcendent entity. It was the WHITE Race’s LAST HOPE.” LOL! Well then, should I dig the grave or should you? Ladies first (ahem!). Or, maybe, we could get an American version of the BNP going, and some nifty White militias. 40
Posted by Wanderer on February 05, 2009, 12:38 AM | #
I agree with that. . A humorous (and lengthy) take on “Constantin von Hoffmeister” and his motivation(s): 41
Posted by To: Guessedworker on February 05, 2009, 01:33 AM | # The following story might make a good entry here…it seems that even The Telegraph (which is supposedly more conservative) doesn’t like the the idea of British jobs being filled by native British workers: ‘British jobs for British workers’ is the cry of our worst instincts: This week’s strikes embodied some of the nastiest parts of the national character… 42
Posted by J Richards on February 05, 2009, 01:48 AM | # Captainchaos, I didn’t write “and hopefully along with our African-American and some Hispanic-American brothers in arms.” That was “Anti-Jew American Patriot.” I’m not exactly pushing inter-racial unity to fight the Jews. When two enemies face a third - much more grievous - common enemy, then they’re no longer inimical with respect to the third group and will naturally cooperate to undermine the third group, and go back to their old ways after the third group is vanquished. Anti-Jew American Patriot used “brothers in arms” rather than just “brothers.” ——— What happened to The Civic Platform? Did the Censors knock it offline or did Friedrich Braun not pay his bills? 43
Posted by Lurker on February 05, 2009, 02:00 AM | # O/T Reading this thread for some reason made me wonder what happened to WJ Phillips/Effra/Amalek/Matt O’Halloran. I seem to remember him upsetting everybody and then vanishing. Doesnt seem to have shown up anywhere else either for a year or two. Different name maybe? I too noticed the Civic Platform had gone belly up - again. Steve Edwards seems to have died an internet death too, though I see he is still being linked to here. 44
Posted by Wanderer on February 05, 2009, 02:06 AM | #
Do you realize how much land the Slavs have on the Eurasian landmass? Tremendously more than Germanics have, and most of it in Russia’s case was simply stolen from other peoples during the 1500s-1700s. Exactly like East Prussia was stolen (i.e. ‘Kaliningrad’...the territory with the highest AIDS infection rate in Europe; somehow I think CvH would find a way to blame that on Germans, despite the fact that none have lived there since 1945). Petersburg itself was built on old Ingrian land. The region around Petersburg was the homeland of the ethnic-Ingrians; they lived there before and after the Russian state decided to build a forward capital on that conquered bit of land ca. 1720… (The Ingrians were a Finnic people related to the Estonians, who were wiped out by Russia in the 18th-19th centuries…the nearby Estonians survived as they were under Baltic-German protection.) What I’m getting at is that 215 years [1720-1930s] is the blink of an eye in Europe, where people have such long historical memories*. The ‘Drang Nach Osten’ mentality of the 1930s-1943 was seen as simply pushing back an artificially large Russian superstate; though the fact that Russia was under a fanatical, genocidal communist regime was the obvious original impetus. (* - the Ingrians don’t have an historical memory anymore, as they are gone: partly killed off, partly chased away, and whatever was left was “russified” out of existence. If they hadn’t been extinguished as a people, there would be another Estonia directly to Estonia’s east). A generalized sketch of the historic Russian homeland in white (pre-imperial age): http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/424/russianexpansiongq9.jpg This is likely what Europe would have looked like if the Germans had won: Communism would have lost, the Russian [super]State would have lost. Russians would have been knocked down to par with Ukrainians perhaps, but ultimately they may have won in a voelkisch sense (i.e., a People’s interests [voelkisch] are not always the same as their state’s. What sane American reader of this website wants ‘their state’, “The USA”, to soar and succeed?). Russian imperialist ambitions would be dead, along with the insane policy of “russification”. Imperialism has introduced much alien blood into Russia and the legacy thereof has twisted Russian nationalism today into something very ugly: They *want* empire and russification of aliens. National glory, not ethnic integrity. It’s no different than the “Get a Brain Morans” types with their “Go USA” mentality. 45
Posted by shark on February 05, 2009, 03:45 AM | # Wanderer:
Not all Russians today ignore the importance of race/ethnicity.
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Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on February 05, 2009, 05:24 AM | # “They had HONOR. Which is something these creatures are genetically incapable of having.” ROTFLMAO! “Honorable” Heinrich Himmler (October 6, 1943):
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Posted by Wanderer on February 05, 2009, 05:36 AM | # If I may bring something to the attention of all MajorityRights readers: http://www.geocities.com/edenlink/john_walker.html
Here we find Constantin von Hoffmeister praising the Waffen-SS; the difference between the above and his screed in the OP is quite literally nearly 180 degrees. Perhaps he can enlighten us as to which article is his true opinion? Were the Waffen-SS “shining examples” or were they “marauding Mongols” who deserve all the Hollywood-induced hatred that they can get and more? 48
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on February 05, 2009, 05:43 AM | # “Here we find Constantin von Hoffmeister praising the Waffen-SS; the difference between the above and his screed in the OP is quite literally nearly 180 degrees.” That is because I wrote the above in 2001. That is 8 years ago. I reckon I am allowed to change my views. Only inflexible imbeciles stay intellectually stagnant all their lives. 49
Posted by Wanderer on February 05, 2009, 06:11 AM | # The OP was written in 2005 according to http://nationalfuturism.org/Waffen-SS-vs-Aryans.html (Archive.org reveals it has been there several years at least). Jon Walker Lindh was captured ca. October 2001. So either: 50
Posted by Wanderer on February 05, 2009, 06:12 AM | # More writing from the “Waffen-SS-vs-Aryans” article from which the OP was copy/pasted:
German guilt knows no bounds! Even “Indo-Germans” 5,000 years ago were guilty! CvH channels Elie Wiesel and shouts it from the mountaintops: “Every European must set apart a zone of hate—healthy, virile hate—for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead! All the way back five millennia before Christ!”. 51
Posted by Constantin von Hoffmeister on February 05, 2009, 06:41 AM | # http://nationalfuturism.org/Waffen-SS-vs-Aryans.html WAFFEN-SS VERSUS ARYANS by Constantin von Hoffmeister
The Aryans invaded Europe and destroyed the Proto-European culture, diluting the blood of the native race, destroying its traditions and distorting its identity. The Aryans were warrior-nomads from the steppes of southern Russia. They were not Slavs but Asians. The Aryans were the spiritual ancestors of the cosmopolitan Jews, related through intolerance and mean intentions. The Proto-Europeans were a settled and peaceful people who lived in a matriarchal society. They did not believe in silly gods. They were in no need of a mythology to soothe sensibilities and allay metaphysical fears. The Aryans forced their religion down the Proto-Europeans’ throats. Much later came the Jews who led the then Aryanized Europeans into the bondage of Christianity. The Proto-Europeans lived from agriculture. The Aryans lived from theft and rape of other nations. The ancient civilization and high culture of the Dravidians in India were destroyed and supplanted with oppressive Aryan customs, such as the caste system (designed to enslave the natives), and Aryan structures, such as the Vedic religion which was an insult to the rational and earth-bound Dravidians. The Indo-Germans from Caucasia imposed their alienating ways of life on the pre-Germans in Europe. The Asiatic Aryans raped Europe and turned all Proto-Europeans into Asio-Europeans. The same goes for India where the Asio-Indians supplanted the Proto-Indians. Europeans are in no way related to Indians. The two peoples simply share the unfortunate fate of having been invaded by a marauding Asian tribe. Odin, the bloodthirsty one-eyed God, was actually the leader of the Aryans. In the third millennium B.C., he and his gang of axe-wielding barbarians invaded Europe. To confirm the fact that Odin was the king of the Aryans, one merely needs to point out that the word for “one” in Russian is “odin,” accentuating the geographical origin of this leader from the steppes. Adolf Hitler used National Socialism as a blueprint for the re-Europeanization of the Germans and other European peoples. In this sense, Hitler was against the non-European influence of Semitic and Aryan traditions. Hitler was the archetype of the anti-Semite and anti-Aryan. He neither cared for Christianity nor was he enamored with Heinrich Himmler’s “Germanic” mythologizing. Hitler cared about the health of his people, his people were his religion. As any admirer of Proto-Europe will recognize, it was the eugenic programs of the Third Reich that opened up the possibility of depolluting the Proto-European blood from the Aryan infection. For propaganda purposes, the leading anthropologists of the Third Reich denied that the Aryans came from Asia. Instead, they postulated that the Aryans originated in Northern Germany and Scandinavia. This, of course, is a ludicrous theory but it shows that the National Socialists were hard-pressed to glorify true Europeans as opposed to worshipping the Asian part of Europe’s ancestry. As most people would have found the truth to be offensive to their racial sensibilities, they were simply told that contemporary Europeans came from Northern Europe and nowhere else. National Socialist Germany was forced to use the violent ways of the Aryans to fight them. It had to use fire to fight fire. The Waffen-SS was pan-European and anti-Aryan. It fought valiantly in the homeland of the Aryans (the Russian steppes). It wanted both to inflict revenge upon the Aryans and ensure that future Aryan invasions would be forever prevented. After the National Socialist army conquered the Pontic territory in Russia, it did not proclaim that they had thus liberated the Aryans’ ancestral home. They would certainly have done so if they were indeed on an Aryan crusade as some benighted neo-Nazis claim. The National Socialist army was engaged in a crusade, but it was an anti-Aryan one! to fight 52
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 05, 2009, 10:28 AM | # Wars are not nice. They’re for killing people and breaking things. All soldiers are exhorted to “be barbaric if necessary; pity is nice but if you show it at the wrong moment just when the life of the nation hangs in the balance, that right there might doom your own women and children back home.” What does CvH think U.S. officers told their men before they stormed the beach of a Jap-held island in the Pacific? “Once you’ve waded ashore, be nice to the Japs who’ll be trying to kill you and whatever you do, place the Rules of the Geneva Convention first and foremost in your thinking as you advance up the beach with your comrades falling dead on all sides of you.” What kind of language does he think General Patton exhorted his troops with as they attacked the Germans? Same exact language as the Posen speech. What does he think U.S. pilots were told when they flew low to strafe the columns of refugees streaming out of the burning inferno that had been Dresden when the dawn began to break following the air attack? Those pilots shot fleeing three-year-olds down from the air with 50-calibre machine-gun bullets. What about the Dresden attack itself, which CvH is on record as defending? What were the pilots told to make them do that? “Be nice, be gentelemen”? What does he think Arthur Bomber Harris told his Bomber Command crews, in order to give them the guts to do what they did, “we must strictly observe the rules of civilized warfare and act like gentlemen”? No, he exhorted them with words and speeches carefully crafted to fill them with white-hot hatred of the enemy and the desire to treat them barbarically. That’s war. What does he think the Jews in D.C. and Moscow used every bit of their influence for, making their respective armies treat the Germans in a gentlemanly fashion once they were inside its territory? Read Lev Kopelev’s book, a dedicated Russian-Jewish bolshevik who was with the vanguard of the Red Army as it penetrated into East Prussia. I have the book. Read what was done to the Germans straight from his own mouth. For protesting against the horror of it he was tried and sentenced to ten years in the gulag but he couldn’t hold back, his conscience forbade it. I repeat: had I been alive I and had I known what I know now about the issues, all the issues, I, an American, would have volunteered for service in the German army in 1939. Absolutely. 53
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 05, 2009, 10:58 AM | #
Stauffenberg was willing to die for his beliefs. And die he did. One thing he would never do, however, was side with Germany’s enemies against his country. That he would never do. Die, yes — that he would do, and did. Rejoice in death and destruction for Germany? That, no. But that’s what Constantin does, so the two men are in that respect fundamentally different: CvH sides with Germany’s enemies against Germany. The comparison doesn’t hold: Constantin may identify with von Stauffenberg all he wants. He’s not like him, not even remotely. 54
Posted by Captainchaos on February 05, 2009, 11:34 AM | # Hoffmeister, You portray yourself as a friend to the Russian people. So…all past migrations and mixing of various genetic stocks aside, do you support the Russian people in protecting their genetic interests, as it presently stands? Do you support the German people in protecting their genetic interests, as it presently stands? Or is the game too much fun to be ended now? 55
Posted by Colin Laney on February 05, 2009, 12:12 PM | # The Red Army was honourable in the defence of its own people, it seems to me, but entirely without honour in its offence against the German people (ie women and girls). No, they weren’t honorable. Nor were they particularly interested in the defense of their ‘homeland’. They were marched into battle with guns at their heads and their families in gulags, lest they consider surrender under any circumstance. I don’t know that they can properly be called soldiers. Terms like “slaves” or “the walking dead” come to mind. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v20/v20n6p59_Michaels.html
Since every POW was, in Stalin’s eyes, a potential recruit, German POW camps were bombed by the Russians and soldiers who had the misfortune to be ‘liberated’ upon the victory of their own army were promptly marched to Gulags as permanent political suspects. These were humanoid drones, marched into battle with NKVD agents behind every division, enforcing the “death before retreat” and “death before surrender” policies of the Stalin. The moral chasm between the “Red Army” on the one hand and the Wehrmacht and SS on the other, is insurmountable. One army had volunteers from all over Europe, East and West (I’m surprised there’s been no discussion above of Divisions Charlemagne, Galicia, Azul, etc.). The other side boasted legions of the living dead.
Odd that those clever and supposedly ruthless Germans didn’t think of this stratagem. Probably for the best. Without English and American “World Opinion” running interference for them, they might have come across as inhuman monsters or something. More: http://civilizedrevolt.com/?p=272
As for the rapes, don’t get me started. I will say that even though it is kind of GW to show a passing concern for German women in Soviet Occupied Zones, it is odd to me that he doesn’t mention that substantially similar treatment was doled out to Polish women and others (including Russian women released from German labor camps) lucky enough to lie in the path of the great flood of Red ‘liberators’. Ordinarily, in discussions of the Germans, he shows a special concern for the possibility that the brave little Poles would encounter poor circumstances under German occupation. Less often do we hear about the extermination of the Polish officer corps and intelligentsia by the Russians, as well as their wide scale mass rapes of Polish women. At any rate, I suppose we should be happy that Britain stood up for the rights of brave little Poland, otherwise the British entry into the war and the subsequent annihilation of White civilization, and now Whites themselves, would have been totally meaningless. Here’s a lovely poem by an accomplished contemporary Polish poet that captures the spirit of postwar Poland: GLEIWITZ, 1945 A boy of thirteen wears the pitch black pants More works by the author can be found here: http://www.newformalistpress.com/yankevich.pdf A fuller account of the true horrors of WWII can be found in Giles MacDonogh, After the Reich, including the behavior of the hordes of Asia in Eastern Europe, en route to Germany. McDonough holds many items back for fear of becoming unpublishable, but a quick glance through Baque and Sack will fill in the missing pieces soon enough. 56
Posted by apollonian2nd on February 05, 2009, 12:59 PM | # Jews Desperately Strive To Keep Full Rationalist-Aesthetic Integration From Fulfillment I like how von Hoffmeister declaims and declares—blah blah blah—without any citations or references, just reciting it all fm top of his exalted mentality like the pope lecturing upon will and plan of God almighty for us ignorant peasants. Great thing about white folk is they think—and in a most practical and potent manner. Any idiot can declaim and pontificate and blather. Has there ever been better analysis of problem than TRUTH (objectivity) against Jew conspiratorial lies? For truth begins w. individual who sees then he comes up against already established Judeo-conspiracy replete with suck-alongs and moralistic fools. Successful hero then must (a) simply be lucky, first, and (b) take advantage of criminals falling-out against one another as we see over-populated vermin, CFR-Bilderberg (see TheNewAmerican.com for expo/ref.), and Walt-Mearsheimer pointing “finger” at “The Israel Lobby.” Note there’s truly “no honor” among thieves, and it’s all we have to work with. Unc’ Adolf did best he could w. material and most difficult situation he had to work with, Germany defeated and crushed after WWI. Judeo-oligarchs wanted next to consolidate UN world gov. by means of another world war. Thus Hitler well identified Jew problem even if he overlooked how Jew had so thoroughly infiltrated and subverted best Christian-type solution/ideal. Thus It wasn’t good enough to merely rally one single nation, no matter how great, like Germany, against rest of deluded world—it had to be done like St. Constantine the Great who rallied entire culture against hook-nosed vermin. Thus we see Truth, hence honesty, is still only presently defeated by Moralism-Pharisaism, gross hubris, and human obsession with wishful thinking (subjectivism) against reality (objectivity), cyclic and determinist. Present-day “Christians” are only stymied by similar idiotic “love” obsession over necessary HONESTY, thence righteous hatred of Jew and subjectivist suck-alongs, including those rationalist-styled. CONCLUSION: Greatest delusion ever worked by Jew subversives is Christianity is against human reason—it’s last hope for Jews, presently, fatally over-populated, who now work for diversionary Gotterdamerung. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian 57
Posted by AS on February 05, 2009, 01:02 PM | # The Posen Speech has been altered at the very least. Might as well acceptTABLE TALK 58
Posted by WATCH THIS VIDEO on February 05, 2009, 07:06 PM | # The thin veneer of American civility begins to fall away…the cracks in the foundation start to appear…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9WyW-LeVhs&feature=related —- A good Jew?
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Posted by Oppose the ZOG on February 05, 2009, 08:43 PM | # Constantin von Hoffmeister is an apologist for the international Jew crime network and a promoter of the new strain of Jew-dominated 21st century Crypto-Communism.
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Posted by Wanderer on February 05, 2009, 09:34 PM | # The below immediately precedes the portion of the Posen Speech quoted by anti-German agitator “Constantin von Hoffmeister”.
I suppose he disagrees with this sentiment. Or would, in the event he decides the shock value is high enough to get him some attention. The quoted section also follows a long elaborate discussion of the inhumanity of the Red Army and the communist NKVD slave system (See post by Colin Laney above, dated February 05, 2009, 04:12 PM). It is a call for toughness in the face of this existential threat, a condemnation of softness in the starkest of terms: “I care not if 100 Russian women collapse from exhaustion, only that the ditch be dug”). It is very typical of military speeches in wartime. It was given in 1943, a time when all of Europe was threatened by potential mass death at the hands of the Red Army and communist-slavery thereafter (which happened starting in 1945). The whole speech sans Jewish ‘creative translation tricks’: http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconhh.html (ctrl-f for ‘Heart in the wrong place’). 61
Posted by Captainchaos on February 05, 2009, 11:34 PM | # Heinrich Himmler, in the Posen speech, discussing the “Psychology of the Slavs”: “Whatever people may tell you about the Russians, it’s all true. It’s true that some of the Russians are fervently pious, and fervently believe in the Mother of God of the Khasans or someplace else, it’s absolutely true. It’s true that the Volga boatmen sing beautifully; it’s true that the Russian of today, in modern times, is a good improviser and good technician. It’s true, for the most part, that he’s even a lover of children. It’s true that he can work very hard. And it’s just as true that he is stinking lazy. It’s just as true that he is an uninhibited beast, who can torture and torment other people in ways a devil would never permit himself to think of. It’s just as true that the Russian, high or low, is inclined to the perversest of things, even devouring his comrades or keeping his neighbour’s liver in his lunch bag. It’s all part of the scale of feelings and values of the Slavic peoples. It’s often purely a matter of chance which lot he draws; and to people who don’t know the beast, he is often a very great riddle: what is the fellow up to now?” Gee, was Heinrich talking about blond haired, blue-eyed Slavs or niggers? I guess Solzhenitsyn was the exception to the rule (a talking chimp!). LOL! Let’s face it, Hitler’s lust for Lebensraum was the driving motivation behind his desire for a “free hand in the East,” not a war of preemptive defense against Bolshevism. Otherwise, why would he have agreed to bring the Red Army that much closer to the frontiers of Germany via the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact if he was consumed with an overriding fear for the safety of his people? It just doesn’t wash. And get this: it was cannibalistic fanaticism that consumed Europe’s children. Maybe it makes a man’s chest swell with pride, but it is also dysgenic as a motherfucker. There’s got to be a better way. 62
Posted by Joe on February 05, 2009, 11:50 PM | # What is the point of publishing CVH’s gibberish? This is obviously an individual who is not all there mentally and who is just writing nonsense to for his own amusement. We in the pro-white movement need to just ignore psychologically defective people like CVH. So much of the discourse here has a surreal quality, like the ravings of men in a hospital for the criminally insane. MR could be a good site, but so much of what is posted here is just absurd and clearly the work of deranged people. 63
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 01:25 AM | # Joe: “What is the point of publishing CVH’s gibberish?” The point is the implementation of GW’s philosophy of self-possessed control through self-awareness as individuals who act as responsible men for the benefit of the group of which they are members; the actualization of which is not consistent with authoritarianism and censorship. Hoffmusty is obviously not interested in credibility due to the manner in which he presents his ideas, unless he his tone deaf; which I do not believe he is. And no, it is not some lack of refinement and intellect on the part of his audience that fails to grasp his esoterica. There really just isn’t much there. Hasselhoffmeister is a fop. The questions I asked him about respecting the EGI of present day Germans and Russians is obviously the best way to unstring his tinker toy of a Nietzschean bow. So far he has not responded to my questions. Wonder why? 64
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 01:45 AM | # More from Mr. Himmler: “The Russians themselves know each other very well, and have invented a very practical system, whether it was the Czars with the Ochrana, or Mr. Lenin and Mr. Stalin with the GPU or the NKVD. When four Russians get together, with little father, little mother, and their little children, not one of the 4 or 5 knows who is betraying whom at the moment: which one is the informer betraying the father now: is it the mother, or the daughter?” If Himmler were still around I would gladly shoot that motherfucker in the face myself and spit on his filthy corpse. Rot in hell, you filthy fucking psychopath! 65
Posted by Re:CaptainChaos on February 06, 2009, 02:16 AM | #
Actually it was a combination of both the quest for more living space and the defensive actions against not just plain ol’ Bolshevism, but JEWISH-DOMINATED Soviet Bolshevism - the JEWISH part is key: see the excellent (did I say EXCELLENT?) book The Russian Roots of Nazism: White Émigrés and the Making of National Socialism, 1917-1945 by Michael Kellogg for an extensive overview of the Nazi view of Judeo-Bolshevism and the Jew-run USSR. Having done years of research it is clear that the Judeo-Soviet issue was actually seen as much more pressing and immediate concern than Lebensraum because of repeated Soviet pronouncements for ‘world communist revolution’ and the like, which the Nazis took very, very seriously being so close to the USSR. Also, some historians say Stalin and other top Soviets had plans for an all-out invasion of Western Europe sometime before 1945 - so the Nazis wanted to pounce before the Soviets did. Hitler really was a twit for trying to invade the USSR too early…if he would have been patient they could have slowly undermined it from within using propaganda and/or just waited for the inevitable Jewish-decay to set in (as happens in every nation with large numbers of Jews) and then just march in and seize much of the already empty lands. But yes the Nazis saw the Jewish dominated Soviet Union as a more pressing threat to German existence than Lebensraum. 66
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 04:04 AM | # “Actually it was a combination of both the quest for more living space and the defensive actions against not just plain ol’ Bolshevism, but JEWISH-DOMINATED Soviet Bolshevism - the JEWISH part is key:” The description by Winston Churchill in his 1920 article of the dominant role of Jews in the fomenting of Bolshevism is florid and apt. I agree with it. Even his observation of the tension within the ranks of radical Jews between Zionism and Communism is accurate, but over done. Were Communist Jews “true believers” in Communism and not merely cynical con-artists in it to advance Jewish group interests? The evidence presented by MacDonald suggests they did believe, even aiding in the suppression of more backwards expressions of Judaism, but still sought to maintain a secularized Jewish identity. And, of course, to be a major part of the ruling elite. I guess the implication of your insistence on the significance of “JEWISH-DOMINATED” Bolshevism is the contention that its “Jewishness” was what lent it its drive to dominance that was international in scope and the especial viciousness of its character. Fair enough, as far as it goes, but let’s not get carried away with to the degree of ascribing a mystical level of malevolence to it. BTW, was Stalin nothing but a Jewish puppet? Who was it that ordered that ice pick get stuck in Trotsky’s head? “Hitler really was a twit for trying to invade the USSR too early…if he would have been patient they could have slowly undermined it from within using propaganda and/or just waited for the inevitable Jewish-decay to set in (as happens in every nation with large numbers of Jews) and then just march in and seize much of the already empty lands.” Hitler also had a nasty habit of surrounding himself with vile psychopaths, i.e., Himmler, Goebbels. Was Hitler one himself? I don’t know. His willingness to enslave and ethnically cleanse the Poles, whose land would not have been “empty”, suggests to me that he was. “But yes the Nazis saw the Jewish dominated Soviet Union as a more pressing threat to German existence than Lebensraum.” Lebensraum is “good for the Germans” = Bolshevik butchery is “good for the Jews” = moral bankruptcy Does the life lived really have no value to us other than passing along the fucking genes? 67
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 06, 2009, 04:05 AM | # The Revolt against Civilization: The Menace of the under Man Book by Lothrop Stoddard; C. Scribner’s Sons, 1922 p.132-134
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Posted by Bharat on February 06, 2009, 04:18 AM | # I really like this discussion…looks like the WWII can never easily be forgotten. But as an Indian what impresses me about the west is the desire to dig deeper into the past and unearth all it’s hidden details…it shows a detached, scientific temper presiding over raw emotion. Even today, in india, it is unpalatable to discuss the partition or the horrors of the islamic conquests (but Brit-bashing is still very much in vogue), as, sad to say, we are still irrational and divided among ourselves. But the past will be revealed one day. And the secrets will spill out. Peace 69
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 04:58 AM | # Here are the faces of the sinister, Asiatic mongrels known as “Russians”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ANEcun9CxE They are the people Hitler and his goons (ghouls) would have enslaved and destroyed. 70
Posted by Anti-Jew American Patriot on February 06, 2009, 01:11 PM | #
Don’t forget that the two most Jew-aware (supposedly “antisemitic”) ethnic groups in the USA according to all kinds of polls and research are African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans - both are much more Jew-aware (“antisemitic”) than the mass of Euro-Americans who remain largely clueless regarding the Jewish problem. We could use them on our side in order to defeat the larger American and Western civilization-destroying menace, which is clearly International Jewry. 71
Posted by Fr. John on February 06, 2009, 01:50 PM | # “good European in the Nietzschean sense” Good and Nietzsche in the same sentence. Oxymoron. At least Wagner wrote pretty music. 72
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 03:09 PM | # Anti-Jew American Patriot: “Don’t forget that the two most Jew-aware (supposedly “antisemitic”) ethnic groups in the USA according to all kinds of polls and research are African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans - both are much more Jew-aware (“antisemitic”) than the mass of Euro-Americans who remain largely clueless regarding the Jewish problem.” And “African-Americans” and “Hispanic-Americans” are, with all due respect to their humanity, in a word, muds. You do realize that, don’t you? “We could use them on our side in order to defeat the larger American and Western civilization-destroying menace, which is clearly International Jewry.” Western Civilization is the extended phenotype of the genotype of the White race - it will adhere on that basis alone. Alliances formed with that key incite not clearly expressed, without it clearly understood that a greater degree of separation must come at the end game, risks further entanglement. You seem too intelligent a man to have imbibed the notion that the Jews are availed of some magical power that allows them to commit their depredations against our people; that Whites in positions of power have by some means had their minds clouded by the Svengali-like Jews and that it is not their own deficient moral instincts that is not blame. Nay, the Jews have what power and deleterious influence we allow them. What you want is essentially multi-racial lynch mobs to dispatch the Jews. You fail to take into consideration that Jewish influence is significantly to blame for the adherence of non-Whites to our racial body - this is clearly to the benefit of non-Whites, though not to our own. Why is it in the interest of non-Whites to dispatch their enablers? Why do you make the mistake of fighting our enemy on his own terms, that of the rabble rousing psychopath? Can you not see that it is our lack of honor, decency and loyalty to our own that has made us vulnerable? Why do you insist upon digging further downward instead of ascending upward? What does it mean to be a White man, other than passing along the fucking genes? 73
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 06, 2009, 03:51 PM | #
What kind of sick psychopathic fucks rape their own women after “liberating” them? Ivan.
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Posted by joe on February 06, 2009, 04:44 PM | # Personally, I at times begin to write something here in relation to the topic at hand, and then think better of it, catching myself falling into whites’ favorite pasttime of timewasting. CvH will always be a boring provocateur, GW will always be a hypocrite regarding WWII, Fr. John will always blab about a magic man in the sky, Captainchaos will blather some tough guy blustering from his bedroom, Desmond’s facts will be ignored, Silver will be attacked, etc… Don’t you ever grow tired of the redundancy, the ineffectiveness, the keyboard punching? 75
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 04:50 PM | # Yeah, yeah, yeah. Himmler wanted to breed a master caste defined by its indifference to suffering and the ready infliction of it - fucking monster. How is that for shouldering the “burden” of “civilization”? Himmler, roast in hell you stinking piece of shit! The White man is not equipped to live “beyond good and evil”. He will no longer be himself if be strives to “become” as such - and disaster may well strike him down. Jonathan Bowden calls himself a Nietzschean but that is really just a self-flattering affectation which facilitates his artsy-fartsy. Write anything to rival Shakespeare or paint anything to match Da Vinci lately Jony? LOL! Why doesn’t Jony B do something more useful with his time and write a few books, and make some more speeches for the BNP? Nick Griffin may be a dick, but is he really that big of a dick? Or is it me who has his head up his ass? 76
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 06, 2009, 05:53 PM | # Last I saw, no one was forcing you to come here, Joe. 77
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 06, 2009, 06:07 PM | # I commented on the Red Army’s orgy of barbarity on entering East Prussia here: http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/vicious_croat_politically_correct/#c23113 Lev Kopelev, whose book I learned this stuff from, was on the scene, a Red Army office with the rank of major, advancing with the first troops to break into Germany proper. In his book he merely tells what he saw. He was Jewish, by the way, and a fervent believer in bolshevism till the day he died. 78
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 06:10 PM | # Hey joe, I guess the issue de jure is whether Nazism gets a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Which way goes your thumb? Regarding “Desmond’s facts”: Slavs are no better than niggers; sorry, I don’t buy it. P.S. I’ll try and work in a few lisps, just for you sweety. Love and kisses. 79
Posted by Homelander on February 06, 2009, 06:46 PM | # Ordinary people associate Nazism with despotism. When someone tries to boss you around, you respond “Sieg Heil!” A tyrant is labelled as a “Hitler”. Police states of all kinds are compared to Nazi Germany. In the 20’s and 30’s authoritarian ideologies had some credibility, and Nazism was an expressly authoritarian philosophy. Today such belief systems are discredited. White Nationalism is insignificant in Spain, Portugal and Greece - three nations which endured right-wing police states since 1945. 80
Posted by Diamed on February 06, 2009, 07:11 PM | # I think there’s a lot of debatable points when it comes to nazism, but I’m with Captain Chaos: thumbs down. If nothing else, for their encouraging children to spy on their parents if they say anything bad about Hitler. To hell with anyone who would assault the family bond or the ability to voice your feelings. That’s disgusting. 81
Posted by Wanderer on February 06, 2009, 07:46 PM | #
Are you totally unaware of the history of the Soviet Union from inception until 1943 (when the speech was made)? ... It’s pretty clear that this centuries-long legacy of being ruled by repressive superstate governments in the RussianEmpire/USSR, has psychologically scarred the Russian people. This is what Himmler refered to. Likewise the post-1945 governments in Germany have scarred the German people of today. 82
Posted by Captainchaos on February 06, 2009, 08:21 PM | # Wanderer: “Are you totally unaware of the history of the Soviet Union from inception until 1943 (when the speech was made)?” If Hitler’s war in the East had been merely to crush Bolshevism and been a war of liberation for the Slavic peoples I would be prepared to light candles daily in a shrine dedicated to him - how is that? But that was not the case. Slavs: frying pan—> fire “To hold it together required massive repression, same for the multinational slave-state the USSR.” So Putin should just hand over the Caucasus and Russian Siberia to non-Whites? Get real. “As for the Czars, they too obviously needed to employ a massive state system of repression.” I hope you are not drawing a moral equivalence between Czarist Russia and the Soviet Union. “It’s pretty clear that this centuries-long legacy of being ruled by repressive superstate governments in the RussianEmpire/USSR, has psychologically scarred the Russian people. This is what Himmler refered to.” You and I must have been reading different speeches. “Likewise the post-1945 governments in Germany have scarred the German people of today.” Putin should invade and save them (steal their land - the Krauts can go live in France, or something). 83
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 06, 2009, 11:32 PM | # Stalin’s Children
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/books/review/Rubenstein-t.html?_r=1 84
Posted by Lurker on February 07, 2009, 01:53 PM | # “Putin should invade and save them (steal their land - the Krauts can go live in France, or something).” CC, now exactly what makes you believe to be morally superior to those “evil nazis”? The behaviour of the Russian army towards and after the end off WW2 was worse than the worst savage in central Africa could have done. The victims were often innocent children and defenseless women. These atrocities cannot be justified by ANYTHING. A supposedly human being just does not behave like that. Anyone, be it friend or foe, who is untouched by this amount of human suffering is just despicable filth (and yes, just for the record, that includes you CC). Don’t bother to reply as I do not want to engage in mud-slinging with you. I’m not going to return as I want to spare myself your hateful, anti-german outbursts. 85
Posted by Lurker on February 07, 2009, 02:42 PM | # Usual disclaimer - the Lurker above is not me, the one who has lurked here for umpteen years.
OK, but if you do, get your own handle mate.
I thought the Capt was being ironic there, maybe thats just me. 86
Posted by Captainchaos on February 07, 2009, 02:42 PM | # Lurker: “CC, now exactly what makes you believe to be morally superior to those ‘evil nazis’?” The fact that I hold the theft of other Whites’ land, the enslavement and ethnic cleansing of them, to be morally indefensible. “The behaviour of the Russian army towards and after the end off WW2 was worse than the worst savage in central Africa could have done.” I don’t condone that. In fact, I think the American Army should have taken down the Bolsheviks after defeating Germany, as Patton wanted. Nor do I think the above mentioned behavior is indicative of the racial character of Slavs. Is Master Race supremacy, land theft, taking slaves and ethnic cleansing, racially characteristic of Germans? “These atrocities cannot be justified by ANYTHING.” No argument from me. Can the land theft from, the enslavement and ethnic cleansing of, Slavs by Germans be justified by “ANYTHING”? “A supposedly human being just does not behave like that.” Are you saying that Slavs are subhumans - as Herr Himmler contended? “Anyone, be it friend or foe, who is untouched by this amount of human suffering is just despicable filth (and yes, just for the record, that includes you CC).” I’m not “untouched” by it. “Don’t bother to reply as I do not want to engage in mud-slinging with you.” You insinuated that I am “despicable filth” - sounds like “mud-slinging”. “I’m not going to return as I want to spare myself your hateful, anti-german outbursts.” I’m half German. “Putin should invade and save them (steal their land - the Krauts can go live in France, or something).” That was irony intended to show Wanderer that you should not do to other peoples what you wouldn’t want done to your own people. Savvy? 87
Posted by Colin Laney on February 07, 2009, 06:26 PM | # Is Master Race supremacy, land theft, taking slaves and ethnic cleansing, racially characteristic of Germans? It is a racial characteristic of the Ango-American imagination. The fact that I hold the theft of other Whites’ land, the enslavement and ethnic cleansing of them, to be morally indefensible. I am glad to hear you say so. I look forward to your impassioned brief for the return of Gdansk, Pomerania, Silesia and the Sudetenland to Germany. 88
Posted by Captainchaos on February 08, 2009, 12:38 PM | # Colin Laney: “It is a racial characteristic of the Ango-American imagination.” I have said in the past, and stand by it, that I am prepared to forge ahead with full-blown National Socialism, as a last resort; having to choose between that and the annihilation of our people. But never as a first option. I do not find the prospect of a totalitarian society particularly appealing, nor, I doubt, would you, upon living in one. There can be no other conclusion but that the technocratic sociopaths Hitler surrounded himself with were, from the perspective of common decency, loathsome - they had none. Adolf Hitler was an artist, he was the Fuhrer, the father of National Socialism, Germany his canvas. All responsibility was his, he said. But, if his masterwork proved unable to withstand the hot studio lights of the art gallery, and melted, the canvas (the German nation, the German people) bursting into flame, it was the fault of his work, for being of insufficiently tough stuff, not he, the faultless artist. What care did he really have, what care do you truly have, for seeing the German people live on, as they actually are, warts and all? That they are able to live, as themselves, is enough for me. “I am glad to hear you say so. I look forward to your impassioned brief for the return of Gdansk, Pomerania, Silesia and the Sudetenland to Germany.” That would mean starting again the engine of European cannibalization. Germany will never again be a great power on the world stage; nor will Britain. The natural poles of power in the White world are Russia and America. Only a united Europe could compete for primacy against the former, the cost of which could well mean the dissolution of its unique peoples into an American style melting pot. Norman Lowell talks a good game, but I don’t believe he is particularly interested in preserving the unique European peoples. He is a Nietzschean, what he wants is “good Europeans”. That is the world. 89
Posted by Darren on February 08, 2009, 02:08 PM | # This may be nitpicking to some, but there is a difference between National Socialism as a political/economic philosophy defined by the “Programme of the NSDAP” and the behavior of Germany in regards to how it treated its neighbors. Also remember that National Socialism was a reactionary political party - just as much as the nationalist parties of today are. They were reacting, through the process of economic and cultural regulation. Politics are about problems and solutions. Do you have a political solution that doesn’t involve some form of increased authoritarianism? I have a hard time coming up a solution to our current problems that don’t involve some manner of authoritarianism and collectivization of our people towards a common end (apart from the people who think they can magically form microcommunitites to escape the current trend of globalism and hostile authorities currently in charge). Also remember that Nietzsche’s opposition to nationalism was due to the petty politics and rivalries that typified the nationalism of his time. Regardless, I certainly do hope that There is more that can be said here, but I’ll let the discussion continue and reply if there is more interest. I don’t view Nietzsche as the ideological enemy that others here do, though certainly some people (ahem) use rather crude manifestations of his philosophy for their own purposes. 90
Posted by Darren on February 08, 2009, 02:11 PM | # Forgot to complete my sentence in the last paragraph: Regardless, I certainly do hope that Europeans will realize that they share common interests, both racial and cultural, and choose to ally amongst themselves for mutual benefit. This is an issue that Sir Mosley addressed while leading the BUF: 91
Posted by Captainchaos on February 08, 2009, 03:29 PM | # Darren: “This may be nitpicking to some, but there is a difference between National Socialism as a political/economic philosophy defined by the “Programme of the NSDAP” and the behavior of Germany in regards to how it treated its neighbors.” National Socialism without the “Fuhrer principle” is not National Socialism. Germany would have been better suited with a Fuhrer of more moderate temperament. But if Hitler was of a more moderate temperament could he have heroically propelled his party to power? I am not altogether sold on the Fuhrer principle. “Also remember that National Socialism was a reactionary political party - just as much as the nationalist parties of today are.” Nick Griffin is no Adolf Hitler, even on the sly, even if it pleases him to believe it when he looks in the mirror. Arthur Kemp is no Goebbels. C.U.N.T. is no Ernst Roehm. Heinz-Christian Strache is more akin to the Hasselhoffmeister than Mussolini. “Politics are about problems and solutions. Do you have a political solution that doesn’t involve some form of increased authoritarianism?” The authoritarian mechanisms already in place in Western Europe could have its emphasis switched to the preservation of the White race without much ratcheting up. On the agenda: anti-miscegenation laws, home loans granted to White married couples one fourth of which would be forgiven for each child born, DNA testing vis-a-vis said loans to assure the delivery of what is being paid for (i.e., White children), provide the option of White/non-White racial separation intra-nationally, ramp up repatriation. “I have a hard time coming up a solution to our current problems that don’t involve some manner of authoritarianism and collectivization of our people towards a common end…” I don’t reject the use of moderate authoritarianism. See above. “(apart from the people who think they can magically form microcommunities to escape the current trend of globalism and hostile authorities currently in charge).” If the system deteriorates badly, and it well may, Whites may have no recourse but to find refuge in microcommunities. In the meantime, let those who want to work on it, work on it. What I’m interested in is getting the Microcommunity Aficionados on board with my vision of a restored North America that shoulders the responsibility of protecting ecosystems and biodiversity globally. Microcommunities are not an end unto itself for them, I hope. “...though certainly some people (ahem) use rather crude manifestations of his philosophy for their own purposes.” I’m frequently crude, but rarely coy. GW is an English nationalist, Friedrich Braun is a German nationalist, I am an American nationalist. Hasselhoffmeister is a Hasselhoffmeister nationalist. “Regardless, I certainly do hope that Europeans will realize that they share common interests, both racial and cultural, and choose to ally amongst themselves for mutual benefit.” Salterian nationalism for all European nations. Lie back, take it easy, let the big dogs do the rest. 92
Posted by Captainchaos on February 08, 2009, 04:02 PM | # (North) America the beautiful restored to its former glory for the White race! the guardian of cuddly animals and lush forest! purpose for our people bread for their tables! Europeans safe in their nations! Mother Russia master of Asia! Dedicated to the Hasselhoffmeister. LOL! 93
Posted by J Richards on February 08, 2009, 05:54 PM | # The solution to Constantin von Hoffmeister’s pathetic arguments Here we have Constantin von Hoffmeister being critiqued and instead of directly responding to the criticism he largely posts more of his nonsense. This time it’s an essay on Waffen-SS vs. Aryans, centered on
The Aryans or original Indo-European people were about as Asian as a Negro Nigerian born and raised in Ireland is Irish. Until a few millennia ago, large parts of Asia were occupied by a people that would unmistakably be seen as a Nordic white people or at least white: http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/06/some-ancient-dna-results-from-tarim.html Human remains from Bronze age Mongolia are similar to modern Europeans, not Mongoloids: http://www.pnas.org/content/98/17/10017.full And we all know how likely is the Aryan to be the spiritual ancestor of the Jews. So we demand that Constantin cite evidence for his main points or leave. 94
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 08, 2009, 06:16 PM | # Psychopaths at Nuremberg? A Rorschach analysis of the records of the Nazi war criminals. Greiner N, Nunno VJ. Professional School of Psychology, San Francisco, California 94115. Sixteen Nuremberg war criminals’ (NWC) Rorschach records were compared to those of Antisocial Personality Disordered (APD) incarcerated males procured by Gacono and Meloy (1988). The Meloy (1988) set of hypotheses for psychopathy was applied to the NWCs’ Rorschachs. The NWCs did not match Meloy’s hypotheses, and neither did the antisocial personality disordered inmates. However, individually and as a group, the NWC Rorschach variables indicated less psychopathy, according to the hypotheses, than those of the APD inmates. Unlike most previous studies, variance in type and degree of psychopathology precluded the application of a mental disorder, character structure, or trait to all, or to the majority, of NWCs. Nevertheless, common features, such as avoidance of responsibility, low self-esteem, and capacity for affection, were revealed. 95
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 08, 2009, 06:36 PM | #
The Quest for the Nazi Personality: A Psychological Investigation of Nazi War Criminals Book by Eric A. Zillmer, Molly Harrower, Barry A. Ritzler, Robert P. Archer; Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, 1995. 256 pgs. (p.178) 96
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 08, 2009, 06:57 PM | # MAJOR DOUGLAS KELLEY, MD, PRISON PSYCHIATRIST
The Quest for the Nazi Personality: A Psychological Investigation of Nazi War Criminals The anecdotal straw men start to build. 97
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 08, 2009, 07:03 PM | #
The Quest for the Nazi Personality: A Psychological Investigation of Nazi War Criminals 98
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 07:13 PM | # Desmond, your comments are always worthwhile but those two Nuremberg Rorshach comments, I’m afraid don’t see the point. Whether you’re trying to say the defendants were or weren’t neurotic based on Rorshach results, I really don’t see the point. Can’t we assume anything to come out of the Nuremberg Kangaroo show trials was propaganda and tainted until proven otherwise? By the way, according to Senator Chris Dodd’s father, who was the second in command of the U.S. legal team there, 70% of the lawyers the U.S. government shipped over to prosecute the Nazis were Jews (who, he threw in as an aside, came across not as team players but as pushy and aggressive), a proportion of Jews the senior Dodd, writing at the time in a letter to his wife from Nuremberg, called unwise, saying the overwhelming Jewish preponderance on the U.S. legal team would only give ammunition to those Americans who’d said all along that WW II was “a war for the Jews.” Whatever went on at the Nuremberg Kangaroo show-trials is meaningless. Have you got the Rorshach results for Morris Dees, Abe Foxman, Rahm Emanuel, and Bernie Madoff? 99
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 07:23 PM | # Forgive me, I posted my comment before seeing your latter two comments, but even those are of questionable significance given the context of these Kangaroo show trials. It’s no better than taking at face value, in disregard of the context, Stalin’s psychiatrists’ evaluations of the mental state of his 1930s purge-trial defendants, men facing execution or slow death in the gulag for nothing. Someone in that circumstance is depressed? showing signs of neurosis? Well, you don’t say! Come on, Desmond! Look at the context, for crying out loud. 100
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 07:39 PM | # Questions for CvH: 1) Was your opinion of Haider favorable or negative? 2) Do you accept that his crash was an accident? (Since I’m making the queries, you have a right to know my answers: 1) extremely favorable apart from something I saw where he supposedly welcomed Moslem demographic presence in Europe, which I don’t know the details of, and may have been — likely was — purely boilerplate political rhetoric; 2) before his blood alcohol level was announced I said I viewed his death as Mossad orchestrated until proven otherwise, and that view of mine didn’t change whatsoever with the announcement of his blood alcohol level (how many people with that alcohol level drive and don’t crash? The vast majority, obviously). Haider was killed by the Mossad until proven otherwise.) 101
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 07:46 PM | # The Mossad’s assassination of Haider is extremely serious, of course, apart from being murder — it means Israel intends to carry out assassinations of Europe’s nationalistic political leaders the minute they appear to cross a certain threshold of popularity, exactly as it routinely assassinates Hamas leaders. This is an extremely grave situation for our side, one that might leave as our side’s only recourse to mount a coup d’état by the military at some point, assuming enough military men agree with our views. 102
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 08, 2009, 07:55 PM | # Fred, Allegations of socio and psycho pathologies were leveled in this thread without a shred of evidence. Despite the bias on exhibit, as you reveal, the repeated attempts time and again to establish mental illness in the pursuit or “quest” for a Nazi pathology failed to establish any evidential basis. Yet despite that, it’s repeated and accepted time and again by the ill-informed or those whose intention it is to spread misinformation. 103
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 08:16 PM | # By the way, something Israeli military expert Martin van Creveld said has always bothered me. He said, in 2003,
Why was there no public reaction to the report that he had said that? (Or was the reaction expertly stifled by Jewish media control?) He was saying that the Israeli Air Force targets “most European capitals” with nukes. Now, apparently what he was saying there was something like, “if there were to be another situation which placed Europe’s Jews in jeopardy Israel would strike the European country in question with nuclear weapons.” But such a situation is not even remotely on the radar screen. So, why are Europe’s capitals targeted right now? Well, one might say, these things are unpredictable. True. OK, then isn’t it an obligation on the part of the European nations so targeted to target Israel with nukes in return? “You never know, these things are unpredictable.” Now, the U.K., France, and Russia are the only European nations that have nukes. Therefore, now that they know they are currently targeted by Israel “just in case,” they must as a matter of the most elementary military prudence and preparedness target Israel in return ... “just in case.” Are they so doing? If not, why? (That van Creveld quote can be found at the Wikipedia article on him.) 104
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 08:18 PM | # Desmond, thanks for your explanation. Somehow I wasn’t getting that message from your comments but I see it now that you go over it. 105
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 08:26 PM | # Further to my comment before last, what if Haider had become the elected leader of Austria, Le Pen of France, or Nick Griffin of the U.K.? Would some trigger-happy Israeli give the order to launch nukes at Vienna, Paris, or London? Who knows? That statement by van Creveld has always been very disturbing to me, and the total absence of comment on it has also. Likely there was comment but the Jews stifled it in all Jewish-controlled Western media, apart from the interview in which the original statement was made, published too late to simply stifle. In fact, that it’s quoted in Wiki, an outfit that likely has lots of Jewish gate-keepers, is a bit of a surprise (perhaps it won’t be there long?). 106
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 08, 2009, 08:49 PM | # Exactly what would make trigger-happy Israelis nuke Europe’s capitals? What exactly is the threshold of Israeli tolerance they must not dare to overstep, now that they know they’re targeted and the nuclear missiles might fly at any moment if the Jews are displeased with their behavior? Would a political party that wanted to, as Armor has proposed, put in place a quota of five percent on Jewish participation in mass media control, the university professoriate, and one or two other élite positions be deemed sufficient threat to Jews to justify nuclear attack if it appeared to be on the verge of gaining power? We already know that Washington D.C. has laid down the rule, with its bombing of Belgrade, that monoethnic Euro nation-states are no longer to be permitted, and if any try they’ll be savagely bombed. Only multiracial states are to be permitted the European peoples (not the Jewish peoples, only the European — the Jewish peoples are to be allowed monoethnic Israel without being bombed). Now, knowing the threat of savage bombing by the Americans and of nuclear attack on already-targeted capital cities by the Israelis, how can anyone say European elections are truly free and fair? The minute a nationalistic party does well in the polls the missiles and smart-bombs might be winging their way to their targets. This implied subjugation of the Euro-race peoples, which inevitably puts the damper on the freedom of their elections, is intolerable and for this reason reciprocal targeting of the places this treat is coming from MUST be undertaken by those European countries that have nuclear weapons. 107
Posted by Captainchaos on February 08, 2009, 10:08 PM | # From Desmond Jones’ sources: “Nevertheless, common features, such as avoidance of responsibility, low self-esteem, and capacity for affection, were revealed.” “Kelley went on to suggest: ‘We must also realize that such personalities exist in this country, and that there are undoubtedly some individuals who would willingly climb over the corpses of one half of the people of the United States if, by doing so, they could thereby be given control of the other half.’” Lovely. Perhaps the attribution of psychopathy should be discarded for the more nebulous ‘evil bastard’. Himmler’s Posen speech is all the evidence I need to condemn him. He was not tested at Nuremberg, btw. Hitler thought that if the German people could not win then they deserved to perish. Fuck you, Hitler! “One of the most important values of human intelligence is its ability to learn from previous experience. It is imperative to our country and to the future of civilization that every intelligent American learn a lesson from the horrors of the Third Reich. The devastation of Europe, the deaths of millions of unfortunate peoples, the almost utter destruction of values of the whole world will have gone for nought if we do not derive some conclusion concerning the forces which produce such chaos. We must learn the why of the Third Reich so that we can intelligently take steps to prevent the recurrence of this evil at any future time.” I don’t think he means just bend over and take it up the ass from the Master Race. Desmond, did the German people deserve to perish is they could not win the war? Should Slavs have submitted to being anally drilled by the Master Race? 108
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 09, 2009, 12:31 AM | # Kelley was blowing smoke. It’s apparent the “quest” had gone awry.
http://wiki.majorityrights.com/holocaust http://judicial-inc.biz/Br.oomberg_supplement_hitler speech.htm 109
Posted by Captainchaos on February 09, 2009, 01:42 AM | # Poland today is 99% Polish. A better fate than having been wiped off the map. Putin is knocking together non-White heads is the Caucasus. Many Russians are better “Nazis” than the present crop of emasculated, brainwashed, prostrate Germans. Pointing to the bad behavior of the other guy to justify the bad behavior of your guy (i.e., wiping Slavic Eastern Europe off the fucking map Carthage-style) will not wash. Shouldn’t Germans, consistent with Murray’s analysis, be held to a higher standard anyway? 110
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 09, 2009, 02:11 AM | #
Again, the effort here is to pass off a retrospective position as a prospective position. The stiff lips at Westminster cared sweet fanny Adams about the Poles. Yet they promised them the world until, of course, they got a better offer from Ivan. It’s the old bait and switch. The Arabs fell for it as well. Now, to protect an avowed stance of English moral supremacy, they make believe they did. Jolly good show old boys. We saved the Poles from extinction by those frightfully beastly Naaaazis. 111
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 09, 2009, 02:27 AM | # The Anglo-French military response to the invasion of Poland:
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Posted by Desmond Jones on February 09, 2009, 03:22 AM | # THE FINAL DECEPTIONS: AUGUST 1939
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/History/polandbetrayal.htm 113
Posted by the Narrator... on February 09, 2009, 05:16 AM | #
I know when I look around at The West today I’m just sooooooooooooooo thankful that those “evil” Nazi’s lost the war. . Hitler could see that The West was caught between two international forces; The Union of Jewish Socialist Republics, whose capital was Moscow-by-way of-Paris. And the Jewnited States of America, whose capital was/is Hollywood. His allies were the Italians and the Japanese, which is to say, he had no allies. Never the less he struck out against our enemies with all that he had while there was still a chance for salvation for our civilization. He lost. We lost. But his war bought us time we might not have otherwise had. Had the Nazis not waged battle then, The West would have looked like it does now 45 years ago.
Now who would compare White men to Asiatic mongrels. Wait, I already know the answer to that.
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Posted by Lurker on February 09, 2009, 05:52 AM | # Desmond, surely British support for Poland up until Sept ‘39 was only ever a bluff anyway. Which failed. 115
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 09, 2009, 09:51 AM | # Who was promoting the concept of “The Phony War,” giving it that name as if to ridicule the opposing sides for not fighting all-out? As if to “shame” them, make fun of them, for perhaps having a second thought, perhaps reconsidering, taking a step back from the brink of madness? Who wanted to shame them into quickly escalating things into an all-out European conflagration? Who, exactly, invented that term “The Phony War” when the odd situation could as well have been dubbed “The Heaven-Sent Peace,” “The Blessed Taking-A-Step-Back From the Brink, Thank God, No One Really Wants a War, Now Let’s Sit Down and Talk This Thing Over”? Why wasn’t it dubbed something like that in the newspapers, rather than the taunting, mocking expression, “The Phoney War”? What individual or newspaper — exactly what name? — was the first to use that term and who, exactly, was responsible for repeating it till it became a household word at the time, as if to try to egg on the combatants, the way the (fill in the blank) _______ in the States and London had egged on the Poles to continue their atrocities in West Prussia and refuse knuckle under to Berlin’s demands they stop? Was it the ..... ? Just a thought ...... 116
Posted by apollonian2nd on February 09, 2009, 12:50 PM | # “...philosophy of self-possessed control through self-awareness as individuals who act as responsible men for the benefit of the group of which they are members; the actualization of which is not consistent with authoritarianism and censorship.” -Captainchaos, February 06, 2009, 05:25 AM * * * * *
Okay, regarding above text, but what’s wrong with same old simple social contract in accord w. reason, as per Hobbes, Locke, and say, Adam Smith? Thus we make use of human reason in tempering our natural self-interest—no different fm original American patriots, for example. Regarding “GW”—if this is same character I understand—note he’s not interested in objective reality as were American patriots, so there’s huge dis-connect for ur presumption, “Captainchaos”—once again. Problem is for the present there’s complication regarding cultural circumstances—it’s more like times of ancient Roman empire of early 4th cent., I submit, so we have to contend w. different races and peoples, enlisting them along with us, against the Jew overlords and gentile lackeys (who are small minority, in all truth)—which can be done no less than it was done then in 4th cent. Pt. is all peoples are capable of that necessary Christian HONESTY, not only whites. Thus we patriots of today must invoke same old Truth vs. Jew lies standard as back then in 4th cent. Hence then foremost cultural criterion must once again be objectivity vs. subjectivity—thus REMOVAL of that “good-evil” Pharisaic-Pelagian MORALISTIC delusion in favor of HONESTY. Hence then (a) Christian ideal must embrace REASON—against presently prevailing mysticism, Christianity thus subverted for proper understanding by volk—it’s why it’s presently so useless and meaningless. Thus (b) Christianity must be understood explicitly and overtly as anti-semitic (anti-Talmud, as Gosp. MARK 7:1-13), and again, (c) entailing HONESTY above “love” of St. Paul. CONCLUSION: So the pt. is then we MUST BE CHRISTIAN, overt, explicit, and up-front, but this understood in accord with genuine, practical interests as I analyze. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian 117
Posted by Captainchaos on February 10, 2009, 10:45 AM | # Desmond Jones: “Again, the effort here is to pass off a retrospective position as a prospective position.” There is nothing retrospectively imposed about the fact that the Nazis wanted to ethnically cleanse the lion’s share of Slavs and enslave the rest. “The stiff lips at Westminster cared sweet fanny Adams about the Poles. Yet they promised them the world until, of course, they got a better offer from Ivan. It’s the old bait and switch.” You, yourself make the mistake of addressing the situation form an Anglocentric position. Who cares what the English did or what they thought? Either the taking of Lebensraum was wrong or it wasn’t. “It’s the old bait and switch.” The English got it too. The Americans demanded every bit of debt owed be paid and took for itself much of what had been the British Empire. If they wanted to keep the empire they would have been better served cutting a deal with the Nazis. “Now, to protect an avowed stance of English moral supremacy, they make believe they did. Jolly good show old boys. We saved the Poles from extinction by those frightfully beastly Naaaazis.” Poland is still on the map. If the Nazis had had their way, it wouldn’t be. 118
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 10, 2009, 06:52 PM | #
Show us the evidence for consideration. 119
Posted by Captainchaos on February 10, 2009, 07:48 PM | # It’s all in Himmler’s Posen speech. And if it is a question of Nazi moral superiority or British moral superiority I’m afraid I have to side with the latter. Slavs as “subhumans”. LOL! Just what kind of monsters are you going to bat for? If you want to attack British moralism and hypocrisy do it in its own right. Don’t you know, the self-flattering conception of English uber-civility compared to the fucking Nazis looks saintly by comparison? 120
Posted by pasta on February 10, 2009, 08:45 PM | # “And if it is a question of Nazi moral superiority or British moral superiority I’m afraid I have to side with the latter.” The Nazis were dedicated to the survival of the German people whereas the British are committing ethnosuicide. That people came to regard ethnosuicide as morally superior to survival is one of the reason why we are dying out now. And if you object to taking Lebensraum, you should be ready to dissolve the whole American nation. History of mankind is all about taking Lebensraum, as unpleasant a fact as that is. The ancient Romans conquered a huge empire and genocided a couple of tribes in the process. They even threw people to the lions for the amusement of the masses. Yet western civilization is built on the foundations of their empire. Ancient Sparta was another of those Nazi states, yet it was the Spartans who heroically defended Greece against the Persians in the battle of Thermopylae. These people made up the cradle of our civilization. Are you ready to flush them down the toilet for their moral failings, too? 121
Posted by Captainchaos on February 10, 2009, 10:23 PM | # pasta: “The Nazis were dedicated to the survival of the German people whereas the British are committing ethnosuicide.” Hitler believed that if the German people were not capable of living up to his vision of greatness they deserved to perish. His vision of greatness was the ability of the German people to subdue almost the entire rest of the White world so that Germans could ethnically cleanse and enslave Slavs. Is Hitler really the stuff that moral paragons are made of? “That people came to regard ethnosuicide as morally superior to survival is one of the reason why we are dying out now.” Winston Churchill wanted to “keep England White”. “And if you object to taking Lebensraum, you should be ready to dissolve the whole American nation.” Slavs were fellow Whites who had built a civilization, farmed the land, fielded an army that fought in the First World War, succeeded at industrialization. Amerindians were nomadic tribes of hunter-gatherers. Wake up. “The ancient Romans conquered a huge empire and genocided a couple of tribes in the process.” The Romans’ quest for empire is what ultimately resulted in their destruction. “They even threw people to the lions for the amusement of the masses. Yet western civilization is built on the foundations of their empire. Ancient Sparta was another of those Nazi states, yet it was the Spartans who heroically defended Greece against the Persians in the battle of Thermopylae. These people made up the cradle of our civilization. Are you ready to flush them down the toilet for their moral failings, too?” I certainly don’t wish to regress back to their ways. 122
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 10, 2009, 11:01 PM | # Where in the Posen speech does Himmler mention ethnically cleansing and enslavement of Slavs? Just asking. 123
Posted by Captainchaos on February 10, 2009, 11:56 PM | # Himmler from the Posen speech: “All the things that we are still doing wrong, that we still can’t do right, that is, how to act with regards to foreign peoples, the domination of masses of foreign blood by a small minority of the upper crust, all these things just have to be learned. We of the old Reich, I’m speaking of little Germany, have only been a Reich for 70 years. We have not yet had the opportunity to rule large political minorities, or even majorities, with a German minority, like the Ostmark in Old Austria, with its minority of 12 million Germans, ruling 40 to 50 million members of foreign races in the Balkans. Nor have we had the opportunity to learn to rule millions, hundreds of millions, with a minority, as England does, having learned how for 300 years.” “The Russians themselves know each other very well, and have invented a very practical system, whether it was the Czars with the Ochrana, or Mr. Lenin and Mr. Stalin with the GPU or the NKVD. When four Russians get together, with little father, little mother, and their little children, not one of the 4 or 5 knows who is betraying whom at the moment: which one is the informer betraying the father now: is it the mother, or the daughter? And who, in return, is betraying them? In doubtful cases there may be two, even three, informers in this family. I am not exaggerating. This remark is entirely accurate with regards to the city. In the countryside, our comrades who have been over there in the East can confirm that there are still 20 or 30 NKVD informers and agents in every village, even after the withdrawal of the Bolsheviks. This ensures, to an absolute certainty, that no conspiracy can get started, because everything will still be reported to the top by means of this informer apparatus. Then comes the pistol or deportation, and that is how this entire people must be governed.” “It is basically wrong for us to project our whole harmless soul and heart, all our good nature, our idealism, onto foreign peoples. This applies to Herder, who wrote the “Voices of the Peoples”, probably in a drunken hour, and caused us, in later generations, such boundless suffering and misery. That applies to the Czechs and Slovenes, to whom, after all, we brought their national feeling. They themselves were absolutely incapable of it; rather, we invented it for them. “That is how I would like to indoctrinate this SS, and, I believe, have indoctrinated, as one of the holiest laws of the future: our concern, our duty, is to our people, and to our blood. That is what we must care for and think about, work for and fight for, and nothing else. Everything else can be indifferent to us. I wish the SS to face the problem of all foreign, non-Germanic peoples, particularly the Russians, with this attitude. Everything else is moonshine, a fraud against our own people, and an obstacle to earlier victory in the war.” “The holiness of an order becomes more and more important with the increasing size of our territory. To enforce an order in our little Germany isn’t at all difficult. To carry out an order when we have garrisons on the Urals—as we will have one day, of that I am convinced—that will be a good deal harder.” Any questions, Desmond? 124
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2009, 12:30 AM | # Yeah. Where in the Posen speech does Himmler mention ethnically cleansing and enslavement of Slavs? 125
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2009, 03:00 AM | # Apparently, translations of the Posen speech vary.
Still, no sign of a master plan for a pan-Slavic extermination and/or enslavement. There must be one out there somewhere. Everyone knows it exists. 126
Posted by pasta on February 11, 2009, 08:00 AM | # @Captainchaos “Is Hitler really the stuff that moral paragons are made of?” Had Hitler won the war, the White race wouldn’t face extinction now. That makes him better than his opponents. “Winston Churchill wanted to ‘keep England White’.” But he cleared the way for the opposite. “Slavs were fellow Whites who had built a civilization, farmed the land, fielded an army that fought in the First World War, succeeded at industrialization. Amerindians were nomadic tribes of hunter-gatherers.” So you don’t object to taking Lebensraum after all, if it’s from an inferior race. That’s what Hitler thought, too. “The Romans’ quest for empire is what ultimately resulted in their destruction. “ The Roman empire lasted for centuries and its heritage until today. Had they desisted from war on pacifist grounds, they would have been conquered by another tribe soon and long been forgotten today, like the countless other European tribes from the ancient world. “I certainly don’t wish to regress back to their ways.” And if you have to choose between survival and moral superiority, what do you choose? 127
Posted by Dasein on February 11, 2009, 08:16 AM | #
CC, which of the Nazi war crimes would you say exceeds the fire-bombing of German cities in terms of evil? 128
Posted by Captainchaos on February 11, 2009, 10:07 AM | # Desmond Jones: “Still, no sign of a master plan for a pan-Slavic extermination and/or enslavement. There must be one out there somewhere. Everyone knows it exists.” Himmler says: “Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our Kultur; otherwise, it is of no interest to me.” And then: “We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear.” LOL! pasta: “Had Hitler won the war, the White race wouldn’t face extinction now. That makes him better than his opponents.” Poland and Czechoslovakia would have been wiped off the map as much of their people would have been ethnically cleansed to make way for a Greater Germany. All Slavs not ethnically cleansed would have been ruled as slaves to the east of the Ural mountains. Eastern Europe has not undergone race-replacement as the West has. “But he cleared the way for the opposite.” Why was it inevitable that race-replacement would proceed after the Nazi defeat? “So you don’t object to taking Lebensraum after all, if it’s from an inferior race. That’s what Hitler thought, too.” In the Posen speech Himmler lectures his SS goons about the danger of going soft on Slavs. Don’t be fooled by them, they really are no better than niggers, he reminds them. LOL! Pure rationalization. “The Roman empire lasted for centuries and its heritage until today. Had they desisted from war on pacifist grounds, they would have been conquered by another tribe soon and long been forgotten today, like the countless other European tribes from the ancient world.” I guess it all went great up until the part where they started miscegenating themselves out of existence with wogs and niggers. “And if you have to choose between survival and moral superiority, what do you choose?” I choose survival, but Hitler’s grandiose dream of Lebensraum was not a matter of survival for the German people. Dasein: “CC, which of the Nazi war crimes would you say exceeds the fire-bombing of German cities in terms of evil?” The deaths of the tens of millions of Eastern Europe that would have lived but for the Nazi invasion is a far greater crime. 129
Posted by pasta on February 11, 2009, 11:12 AM | # “Eastern Europe has not undergone race-replacement as the West has.” It is going on now. Some predict a muslim majority in Russia in 30 years. “Why was it inevitable that race-replacement would proceed after the Nazi defeat? “ Jewish influence, which brought the Western allies into the war, continued to persist after it. “I choose survival, but Hitler’s grandiose dream of Lebensraum was not a matter of survival for the German people.” Hitler believed that Germany could only survive as a world power. Sadly, today it doesn’t look like he was wrong. 130
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 11:50 AM | #
This is correct. Continued to persist after it and, of course, to grow exponentially thanks to victory in the War for the Jews Against White Survival, a victory which immensely strengthened the hand of the race-replacing Jews. The comment by Pasta sums up exactly what happened. 131
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 11:52 AM | # Race replacement was on the Jewish drawing boards long before 1939. Long before 1933 in fact. 132
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 11:53 AM | # Race replacement was a big part of why they all became communists in 1917. 133
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 11:54 AM | # Jewish plans for race-replacement were why Hitler came to power in Germany. 134
Posted by Guessedworker on February 11, 2009, 12:27 PM | # Fred: Jewish influence, which brought the Western allies into the war, continued to persist after it. Not the English and the French, for sure. Not the loyal members of the Empire. That just leaves America, though, if one is going by the book, it was Germany that declared war. Not that I’m saying we have to go by the book. 135
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2009, 01:28 PM | # Slavs in the Waffen SS? What’s a good German to do?
http://www.whatson-kiev.com/index.php?go=News&in=view&id=2702 136
Posted by Armor on February 11, 2009, 01:36 PM | #
It should be stressed that today, we do not have to choose between survival and morality: stopping immigration and repatriating immigrants is the moral thing to do. Repatriation is not murder. I think we tend to dwell on thoughts like that (what if WW2 was not over, and we had to choose between survival and morality) partly because of the phony moral pressure exerted upon us by the media. But the truth is that we are the only ones who care about morality. Our phony leaders do not care about morality. They are not leaders at all, they are led by the media. Who would say that the media and the degenerate leftists care about morality? People who pose as moderates and say they are looking for the middle road between white survival and respect for third-world invaders are not much better. Their intellect and moral sense are yielding under intimidation from the degenerate media, and they still think they can teach us civics lessons. On the question of race-replacement, we are morally superior both to the race-replacers, and to people who are afraid to speak up. 137
Posted by Colin Laney on February 11, 2009, 07:48 PM | # Slavs in the Waffen SS? What’s a good German to do? Slavs in the SS, Desmond? Are you sure? And how could there be Ukrainian, Latvian, Estonian, and Croatian divisions? Wouldn’t that tend to mitigate against the interpretation CC is claiming for that scrap of paper he’s waving around like he’s Neville Chamberlain or something? Also, I would like to say that this thread is very Polono- and Russocentric. Sure, there was a master plan for their total eradication, as there were for the Czechs. Hitler says somewhere in the Table Talk that he will personally rend limb from limb every individual Czech, Pole and Russian with his fusion-powered bionic arms - that’s the secret plan Desmond is looking for. But what about Slovenia, Slovakia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary? All of these countries did a convincing job of being pro-German and acting in concert with the German war machine despite the fact they were - according to CC - little more than Balkan niggers to German eyes - and therefore slated for extermination. It reminds me of the Zionist offer to the Germans to enter the war on their side as late as 1941 - didn’t these people know they are dealing with a madman bent on their total annihilation? Was the New York Times unavailable in mid-century Palestine? Now possibly Hungary, being full of actual Huns, and therefore blood brothers to the Germans, would have been spared. But what were the rest of these nations thinking? Hungary, Romania and Slovakia joined the Axis in November 1940. Bulgaria joined the Axis March 1941. Croatia joined the Axis June 1941. Slovenia was annexed in 1941, but the Slovenian Home Guard fought for the Nazis and took loyalty oaths to Hitler. Then there’s Vlasov and the Russian Liberation Army, something like a million men, the 1st Russian national SS detachment ‘Druzhina’ under Gil-Rodionov, Pannwitz’s 1st Cossack division, usw. Boy, are all these Slavs stupid, or what? There is another line of thinking, which occurs in a conversation between Himmler and the chief of staff of the Latvian legion, which would square with the facts that we see, above:
For details, see Norman Cantor, Europe: A History, p. 1017 138
Posted by Guessedworker on February 11, 2009, 08:11 PM | # Colin Laney:-
Presumably, they thought the Wehrmacht was a certainty to win. Would they have been so enthusiastic to cast their lot in with the Germans after the second battle of El Alamein, October 23 – November 4, 1942? Churchill said, in tribute, “Before Alamein we had no victory and after it we had no defeats”. 139
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 08:18 PM | #
The British (and the West’s) defeat began in earnest in 1945. It continues worsening in degree and widening in scope as we speak with no end in sight. We are here frantically trying to discover a way to stanch the hemorrhage, undo the damage. 140
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 08:22 PM | # If we had control of the media the slide to our oblivion could be halted and reversed in a few election cycles. The other side has control of the media and clearly makes retaining that control one of its top priorities. It will fight savagely with everything it has in order never to relinquish that control. 141
Posted by Guest on February 11, 2009, 08:28 PM | #
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler 142
Posted by Guest on February 11, 2009, 08:35 PM | # Himmler’s(sic) Posen speech is about as reliable as Goebbel’s diaries. How anyone can credit “documents” presented by the “Allies” is beyond my ken. 143
Posted by Captainchaos on February 11, 2009, 08:50 PM | # What can I say? If I got Uncle Adolf and his Merry Men all wrong, my bad then. But if the Posen speech is authentic that pretty much says it. In light of the authenticity of the Posen speech, should it suprise that Himmler would blow sunshine up the ass of one of his non-German SS legions? Was the quest for Lebensraum a lie? If not, just which chunk of which people’s land would this have been extracted from? Significantly, Poland, from the Polish. Guest quoting Hitler: “But a Jew could never be parted from his opinions.” So I’m a Jew now? LOL! If you say so chief. 144
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 09:44 PM | #
This is an important caveat obviously, and it applies as well to the minutes of the Wansee Conference. What’s been presented to the West as genuine documents is the worst-case scenario. It can be assumed that tampering went on. Does anyone put evidence-tampering beneath a piece of disgusting dishonest slime the likes of, ohhh, say, Elie Wiesel? Well, a large proportion of the people who had charge of all these documents that fell into Western and Soviet hands after the surrender were as sickening as Wiesel — exact same mentality. 145
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 09:46 PM | # This crew faked the gas chambers in Poland, they tortured, they lied, they certainly murdered; you can be sure they tampered with documents. 146
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 11, 2009, 09:58 PM | # It’s mighty White of you CC. You’re a better man than I, Gunga Din. There apparently was some document called Generalplan Ost that was never found. It allegedly is testified to in Nuremberg Trial Proceedings Vol. 8 however, I can’t find it. Possibly you will find something I missed, however, proceed at your own risk. Wintermute’s fire is withering. 147
Posted by Guest on February 11, 2009, 10:18 PM | # Fred it is important to keep in mind that the “documents” presented by the Allies are almost without exception forgeries. Study this to grasp how deeply their “history” depends on classic semitic FRAUD: The Höss ‘Confession’ 148
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 11, 2009, 10:27 PM | # Look at the evidence they tampered with to get us to invade Iraq — from the “Niger yellowcake” forgeries, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowcake_forgeries , to the invention of Mohammad Atta’s “meeting with Iraqi diplomats in Prague,” to all the rest of the “Iraqi weapons of mass destruction” lying and deception and the wholly concocted tying in of 9-11 with Iraq, every single bit of it invented/forged and they got the Brits to lie for them too (naturally, as Blair was controlled by their co-ethnics). A million Iraqis have been killed, many thousands of American teenagers and young adults snuffed out, tens of thousands maimed, crippled, and hideously disfigured for life, no arms, no legs, no faces, no genitals; untold treasure of the U.S., the U.K, and who else flushed down the toilet, the country known as Iraq laid waste, and still no end to it all, and this bunch, who without compunction whatsoever lied to start a war and remain utterly without remorse, this vermin wouldn’t tamper with the transcript of a speech or the minutes of a meeting? Get real. If memory serves (I read this over three years ago) only one copy of the Wansee Conference minutes surfaced after the surrender, and even that took some inexplicably long time to be made public ........ 149
Posted by Guest on February 11, 2009, 11:48 PM | # Yes Fred they repeat the same tactics over and over and over again. Today we see the result of the defeat of Europe. We stand amidst the ruins of Western Civilization. http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1647 I just found Butz discusses Posen speech in some detail:
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Posted by Germans Settling Russia? on February 12, 2009, 07:15 AM | # CC: “Germany will never again be a great power on the world stage; nor will Britain. The natural poles of power in the White world are Russia and America.” Britain is still a power on the world stage considering America and Canada is filled with people of British stock….thus the British ethnic legacy lives on. And America is also filled with people with Germany ancestry…some other countries have a lot of Germans too, namely parts of Argentina, Brazil, and other countries. I’ve been thinking about this idea a lot lately - that Russia should slowly invite or allow millions of hardy and hardworking Germans in to Russia to settle there, rebuild, and begin to help reverse the demographic decline that will ultimately mean the death of Russia if it is not soon reversed. I think it’s a brilliant idea. Germany is FAR too densely populated and Germans, being an expansive, intelligent, hardworking, and inventive people, need a lot of space to spread out - so yes absolutely Russia should invite Germans to settle there and help rebuild and repopulate the country as best they can…or at least German men who can go in to Russia and make some White Russo-German babies with Russian women because apparently Russian men aren’t getting the job done too well these days because of their tendencies toward post-Soviet stagnation (alcoholism, depression, unemployment, etc). It’s a damn good idea…Putin speaks pretty good German, and Germany and Russia are now very close allies. Maybe this plan has already been underway for a little while? If not, it needs to start NOW! It means the resurrection of both Russia and Germany and a permanent Russo-German alliance to stave off the encroaching Asiatics. 151
Posted by Dasein on February 12, 2009, 08:07 AM | # Germany has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. Any Germans willing to make the sacrifice to start a family (yes, big sacrifice- it might mean one doesn’t go to Mallorca for a year or two) should stay in Germany. The only thing saving Germany at the moment is that the members of its major alien race (Turks) are not as aggressive breeders as other 3rd worlders. That buys them a bit of time. Russia should offer to sell white religious sects or cults parts of Siberia, preferably close to the Chinese and Mongolian border. I am half serious. Imagine what a million Mormons could accomplish there in a few generations. 152
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 12, 2009, 08:12 AM | # To “Germans Settling Russia”: Your idea is very bad. Germans belong in Germany, Russians in Russia, and neither race should move into the other’s land for race-replacement purposes. Germany’s true borders have to be restored, which means ultimately Russia will have to pull back, since its post-war Stalinist territorial expansion westward at the expense of Poland, Byelorussia, and the Ukraine was why one-third of Germany was lopped off and handed back to others as compensation for lands lost to Stalin. All of that has to be undone and will be undone; it’s only a question of when and how, but it will be undone. But no, Russia isn’t supposd to be filled up with Germans or anyone else than Russians. Of course, none of this can be contemplated until the Jewish nation-and-race-annihilation onslaught has been thwarted, pushed straight back into the maw of Hell whence it came, and bottled up there hopefully forever, never again to emerge to pollute the world. To comrade CC who talked about the States being one of the “natural poles of power”: don’t you find race is a sine qua non in all discussion of “poles of power”? Do you find that once the Jews have fininshed race-replacing the U.S. (if American whites fail to stop them before they take matters that far) the U.S. in its new existence as the ADL-approved Central African Republic North will be one of the poles of power? (I agree it might, if the only other countries in the world were Papua-New Guinea, Zanzibar, Guinea-Bissau, Belize, and Upper Volta.) 153
Posted by Dasein on February 12, 2009, 08:30 AM | #
CC, perhaps it’s fair to ask then what provoked this invasion. Do Britain and Poland (to name just two parties) share part of the blame? If so, that’s now two strikes on the British ledger. When the Russians retreated and destroyed everything, leaving behind a population with no means to feed itself, the Germans brought in massive amounts of farm equipment and machinery. Of course it was partly, or even mostly, motivated by self-interest. The point here is that if Germany had won the war, this is the type of story that would undergird the dominant narrative. Hitler kept a portrait of Frederick the Great in his bunker, Churchill kept a model of the bombed-out remains of Dresden. The Germans’ interests in the war were clear and they were willing to negotiate a peace. The British interests were never clear and they refused to negotiate. They were, to take Putin’s example, the crazy man running around with a razor blade.
The invasion of Poland was largely instigated by its treatment of the German minority and its refusal to negotiate on issues such as Danzig (which they felt able to do because of Britain’s guarantee). This is why many Germans supported the invasion (do the Americans have ethnic interestes in Kosovo?). How many of the subsequent goals were fabricated after the war and how many were developed in response to events on the ground is a question for honest historians, not the propogandists for the current dispensation. 154
Posted by Germans Settling Russia on February 12, 2009, 09:02 AM | #
No, it is a very good idea - you aren’t being far-sighted nor using common sense…this is not about race replacement, but race supplementation. You apparently do not realize how far back the ethnic and cultural links between Russia and Germany go back. Germany is filled up. You have approx. 80 million industrious Germans crammed in to an area the size of the U.S. state of Montana - this MASSIVELY limits them as a people because they are unable to expand or breed anymore - this confinement has dampened the strong German spirit, which is naturally expansive and industrious. Conversely, you have only about 140 million Russians (and rapidly shrinking) covering a landmass the size of Russia (which is about 10% of the Earth’s entire surface if I remember correctly). That speaks for itself. Germany is not self-sufficient in so many respects: agriculturally, energy, water, etc etc. It thus needs land and resources to expand its population. Germans don’t breed more because they cannot - there isn’t enough room or resources in Germany to support a larger population - thus Germans need room to expand, and Russia is the perfect place to do this considering how much empty land is there and how badly the native Russian population is decreasing. A new and expanding German population in Russia would help to rebuild and clean up Russia, not to mention reverse White decline there. This is not about replacing Russians with Germans, or turning Western Russia in to a German puppet-state…it’s a Russian-German alliance, a partnership for both countries along with White Europe as a whole. A new frontier and all of that building and rebuilding would do wonders to lift the expansive and industrious German people who feel very hemmed-in due to their cramped circumstances in Germany. Germany, as small as it is, could stand to be depopulated a bit - not replaced by any other groups like Turks or Africans: NO WAY - just made more sparsely populated to reduce strain on Germany’s environment and people. It isn’t healthy for people to cram that many tens of millions in to a small area. Do some research on what overcrowding/overpopulation does to people and the animals from which we descend. A Russian-German partnership is an excellent idea. As it stands now Russia is currently being lost to Mongols, Central Asians, and Muslims, and unless more Whites are willing to settle there are commit to very large families for the next few generations most of Russia will be permanently lost to opportunistic immigrants who will drag the country down further. Russians seem unable and unwilling to do what it takes to turn back the immigrant tide which is swamping them, nor are they doing all that much to raise their native birthrates, so bringing in other Whites to supplement the White Russian population is a brilliant idea. I am not talking about replacing Russians wholesale, no way, but supplementing the Russian population with a large infusion of much-needed White blood. Other White Europeans who are far too overpopulated with no room to expand in their own countries like Whites from the Netherlands, Belgium, and even some British folk (among others) could also join in if they wanted to escape the small and cramped confines of apartment living in ultra-dense Europeans cities for the wide open Russian spaces or excellently constructed new small towns or cities. The spirit of modern Whites in Europe is severely dampened by confinement, cramped quarters, and being overcrowded - and the expansiveness of Russia is the antidote to this. There are still plenty of Germans in Germany, and Germany will clearly ALWAYS remain German - again, tens of millions of them are piled on top of each other in Germany and they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. However, given the demographics it looks like Russia will not remain Russian. Thus the country needs an infusion of Whites to get back on its feet, and what better Whites to settle there than the overcrowded Germans? Germany could easily lose 20-30 million Germans (obviously planned out, gradually not all at once) and still be a VERY crowded place—meanwhile those 20-30 million Germans could multiply in rather short order in Russia where they actually have room to grow, build, expand, and prosper as Germans are capable of doing. Maybe the moderators here at MR would like to make this topic in to a post on the main page to discuss it more? 155
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 12, 2009, 09:50 AM | #
Please don’t, moderators. It’s been discussed too much already. 156
Posted by Wanderer on February 12, 2009, 01:41 PM | # The main reason Germany is overpopulated is Stalin’s border changes. If Germany had its present ethnicGerman population within its “old” borders, there would be no overpopulation. 157
Posted by Wanderer on February 12, 2009, 01:44 PM | # That should read “the only reason Germany is overpopulated”... The 12 million expellees from the east crowding the rump-Germany pushed it from a comfortable population density to overcrowdedness. The 12 million foreigners in the BRD today don’t help either. 158
Posted by Wanderer on February 12, 2009, 01:47 PM | # On the Russia Question: ‘Kaliningrad’. Its pathetic decline ever since its native Germans were massacred and forced out by barbarous Stalinites 65 years ago is notable. ‘Kaliningrad’ (and its Russian immigrant population) today is the lowest quality region/people native to European soil by most indicators: It is the region of Europe with the highest AIDS infection rate, among the highest unemployment, through-the-roof alcoholism and drug-addiction, and it has almost no economic value at all. The only use it has is that Putin uses it to threaten the EU with missiles stationed there and bombers based there (Putin regularly violates Scandinavian airspace with his ‘Kaliningrad’-based bombers, and seems to laugh at the mild protestations from their embassies). Compare all this to the old days of East Prussia (‘Kaliningrad’), when it was far and away the most prosperous region on the eastern shore of the Baltic, the birthplace of world-renowned writers and philosophers. Those who say that Russia is the Great White Hope; look to Kaliningrad. 159
Posted by Captainchaos on February 12, 2009, 02:29 PM | # I can see it bubbling beneath the surface of every word you type, Wanderer. It is that master race supremacism that will tolerate nothing but first place under the sun, even at the cost of any place under the sun. From what you say yourself, is it not obvious, that Putin is not one to let others push him around? The war was lost, and what was wrought by that cannot realistically be undone - certainly not with nuclear weapons added to the equation. The German people can have life is they choose it. They can live humbly as good Germans within their existing borders. Anything more ambitious is delusional, it is suicidal. Let the specter of Nazism go. Addendum: With a fertility rate of around 1.3 the Fatherland’s problem of too many Germans with too little Lebensraum will shortly be over-corrected for, not exacerbated. 160
Posted by Dasein on February 12, 2009, 02:45 PM | # Germany may have been over-populated after the mid-19th century, but advances in agriculture (in particular, fertilizers) have made her self-sufficient. Food production per capita is still increasing. Except for fashion drinks like Perrier, Germany has no need to import water. I’ve lived close to the de-populated swathes in North America. With a job and family, you might get to visit these pristine nature areas once per month (and even then, an attempt to visit a natural area often ends up with you getting herded into some designated parcel of land that’s crawling with people). Germany’s cities are superior to any in North America in my opinion (if you can avoid areas like Kreuzberg and Neukölln, and even these are like prairie villages compared to parts of Los Angeles or New York). And if you can live in a city or town that is majority German, you have no reason to fear sending your children to public schools. If there were some arrangement to increase her land though, I would certainly not object. But over-population in Europe as an excuse for not having children is weak. Fred, I agree that the Germans’ home should be Germany. I would say that the historical German minority in Russia was a win-win on the whole for both parties. Certainly when compared to the horrors the Jewish minority was able to wreak (which included targetting other successful minorities, like the Germans). Some degree of mixing between Europeans is good (and genetic data shows that the continent is already more genetically homogeneous than any other). And if they don’t want to mix genetically, but remain a well-behaved minority (e.g. don’t try to genocide the majority population or turn its popular culture into a stinking pile of shit), I think that’s also ok. On the subject of Russian Siberia, if I were Putin (or whoever is his successor when the opportunity arises), I would be making plans for bringing disaffected Americans (and Canadians) over to colonize the eastern ranges, close to Alaska. As an irredentist group, it would be a major strategic asset (provided you can keep them pointed East). I would have no problem with this, but I’m not Russian. 161
Posted by Dasein on February 12, 2009, 03:02 PM | #
So one would hope. But of course some politicians are using this now as an excuse to import ever larger numbers of 3rd worlders. I remember reading something from Herwig Birg (probably Germany’s premiere demographer) where a politician asked him why the pension system couldn’t be saved by importing one million Chinese every year. When the 3rd worlders start their aggressive breeding campaign, Germans will find out what a true fight for Lebensraum looks like. 162
Posted by Captainchaos on February 12, 2009, 03:43 PM | # If the German people would support the NPD with something near the support that nationalist parties enjoy in Austria they would be on the brink of salvation. The time for marching stiffly in uniforms is done - the Germanic people of central Europe are not interested. And no, not just because, or even mainly because, of Germanophobic propaganda; but because of a horrific historic memory of the wages of war, that they don’t want to take from them the few sons they have, again. Germany is not the central front in the war against Jewish hegemony, America is. In order to win there we must win here. Or else Germany can cut a deal with Putin - which I don’t think would be in its interest. Germany can work to increase its German birth rate as it works to phase out third-worlders by repatriation. That seems the moderate path to me. 163
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 12, 2009, 04:57 PM | # The NPD is highly infiltrated. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/oct2002/npd-o17.shtml Germany is an occupied state whose main reason for existence was/is to pay reparations to Israel. It was the Germans that made the Negev bloom. And it is the Germans that are donating Dolphin class nuclear capable subs to Israel. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525926927&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull No doubt German pressure will be brought to bare upon the Poles to ring out further reparations, as Wintermute outlined earlier. The noose is growing tighter. As with the biblical story of Joseph, it is debt that enslaves the people. Fed to offer dollars to Bank of England, European Central Bank and Swiss National Bank to lend to private banks. 164
Posted by So many emotions, so little else... on February 12, 2009, 05:43 PM | # Himmler, meeting with chief of staff of Latvian SS Legion, 1944: “The present demands that every SS-officer, regardless of nationality…must look to the whole living space of the family of German nations. [He then singled out those nations which he regarded as belonging to the German family: the Germans, the Dutch, the Flemish, the Anglo-Saxons, the Scandinavians, and the Baltic peoples.] To combine all those nations into one big family is the most important task at present. It is natural in this process that the German nation, as the largest and strongest, must assume the leading role. [But] this unification has to take place on the principle of equality…[Later] this family…has to take on the mission to include all Roman nations, and then the Slavic nations, because they, too, are of the white race. It is only through unification of the white race that Western culture could be saved from the danger of the yellow race. “At the present time, the Waffen-SS is leading in this respect because its organization is based on equality. The Waffen-SS comprises not only German, Roman and Slavic but even Islamic units…fighting in close togetherness. 165
Posted by Captainchaos on February 12, 2009, 06:58 PM | # Desmond Jones: “No doubt German pressure will be brought to bare upon the Poles to ring out further reparations, as Wintermute outlined earlier.” So I guess our only hope is to faithfully await the return, by Providence, of our Fuhrer so he can lead us to the NS promised land? Is our re-embodied Fuhrer in fact Wintermute? 166
Posted by Desmond Jones on February 12, 2009, 07:47 PM | # Is our re-embodied Fuhrer in fact Wintermute? You could do worse. Texans are known to think big. Remember the Alamo. 167
Posted by Wintermute on February 12, 2009, 07:49 PM | # Is our re-embodied Fuhrer in fact Wintermute? You fools! I told you that my identity was to be kept secret! Now the entire plan is endangered! A crack legion of elite SS necromancers - Division ‘Rotwang’ - sadly lost their lives in an heroic effort to effect my resurrection from the grave of Richard Wagner - all for nothing!
Accordingly, I have dispatched a distress beacon and am currently awaiting extraction. I am headed towards Neuschwabenland where a Thule class transport will be waiting. From there I will return to Moonbase Himmler, where I will examine the options your criminal negligence have left to us.
And as for the incompetence of my General Staff here, I’m afraid it’s cyanide capsules for the whole lot of you. Curses! Foiled again! 168
Posted by Dasein on February 14, 2009, 05:55 AM | #
The Bundestag voted recently to keep to keep their Verfassungsschutz spy network going (http://www.jungefreiheit.de/Single-News-Display.154+M57a09b0b3e7.0.html -apologies that it’s in German). The former communists (Die Linke) want to get them out because this is a precondition for banning the NPD. The others are opposed, I suspect one of the main reasons being to be able to manipulate a party that should be attracting a big block of voters. Perhaps the best solution is for normal people to just go ahead and join and simply ignore the provocateurs. No enemy to the right may be the order of the day. The other parties are hopeless on the main issue facing Gemany (and the rest of Europe), i.e. its demographics. 169
Posted by Friedrich Braun on February 14, 2009, 03:24 PM | #
I took the blog down because 1) the blog wasn’t secure enough for me and my commenters; 2) I got sick of it, the blog became a time-consuming, part time job; 3) I wasn’t entirely happy with its content; 4) I said all I wanted to say, the blog became repetitive. That’s one of my last posts (a jeremiad against modernity):
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 14, 2009, 04:28 PM | # You had a good blog, FB — exceptionally strong subject matter. It was essential reading. 171
Posted by Friedrich Braun on February 16, 2009, 01:15 AM | #
They were as “honourable” as the Anglo-American gentlemen firebombing German civilians into oblivion with phosphorous bombs (the same bombs used today by the Israelis on Palestinians) day and night. Children’s hospitals, retirement homes, and other social services were deliberately targeted. In Kassel alone, 2,000 children were killed in one night. Their bodies pasted against the wall, because of the tremendous heat. See Joerg Friedrich’ The Fire. Of course, the Allies’ savagery would normally preclude them from holding any type of moral or legal judgment on anybody else, but instead we got the spectacle of the Nuremberg kangaroo show trials. The British Propaganda Ministry circulated a memo to the Church of England and the BBC on february 29, 1944, which stated: “We know how the Red Army behaved in Poland in 1920 and in Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Galicia and Bessarabia only recently. We must therefore take into account how the Red Army will certainly behave when it overruns Central Europe. [...] Experience has shown that the best distraction is atrocity propaganda directed against the enemy. Unfortunately [!] the public is no longer so suspectible as in the days of the `Corpse Factory’, and the `Mutilated Belgium Babies’, and the `Crucified Canadians’ [as in WW I]. Your cooperation is therefore earnestly sought to distract public attention from the doings of the Red Army by your wholehearted support of various charges against the Germans and Japanese which have been and will be put into circulation by the Ministry’. Stalin’s War of Extermination, 1941-1945: Planning, Realization and Documentation. Another piece in the missing history of World War Two. Basically this book goes on to destroy the myths held and propagated by left-wingers that the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin was peace loving and had no intention of military operations on foreign soil. It also absolutely destroys the myths of the “Great Patriotic War,” “Mass Heroism,” and “Soviet Patriotism” by the Soviet peoples. The book begins with the declaration by Stalin a war of aggression he intends to wage against the capitalists Germany and Western Europe. It details the propaganda and above all the absolute terror used by the Soviets against their own unwilling soldiers in order to fight the Germans. Basically the Red Army soldier had two choices, either face the Germans or get a bullet in the back of the neck by the NKVD and severe consequences for his relatives. The author lays out all the propaganda used to incite extreme hatred of everything German, to criminalize the Wehrmacht, blame Soviet crimes on the Germans, and to dehumanize the Germans into vermin. The book also covers the Soviet mistreatment of POW’s, both German, Axis, and repatriated Red Army soldiers. How the Soviets ordered that all prisoners of war should be shot, and that surrendering to the enemy is a crime. The most disturbing is the chapters covering the events of Soviet occupation of German soil starting in the fall of 1944. The actions taken by the Red Army soldiers upon the “liberated” German civilian population, murder, arson, rape, and looting, is beyond belief. I highly encourage anyone to read this book. 172
Posted by Friedrich Braun on February 16, 2009, 01:24 AM | #
It’s very interesting to read you, Fred, on MR.com. Particularly when you were always hyper critical of any anti-German posts on TCP…here, however, anti-Germanism is “OK with [you]”. I find that fascinating. Your strong Zionism has also caught my attention and undoubtedly expresses a deeply-felt tribal solidarity. 173
Posted by Friedrich Braun on February 16, 2009, 10:48 PM | # Once I have my blog up again, Fred, will be able to continue our conversation without having to worry about GW’s stupid en masse deletions. 174
Posted by FB on February 16, 2009, 10:57 PM | # Once I have my blog up, Fred, we’ll be able to continue our conversation, seeing that I’m both banned and our posts were deleted by GW. A bit curious coming from somebody who loves to whine how he’s constantly deleted and banned from various places himself. 175
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 16, 2009, 11:49 PM | # FB, I don’t know if you noticed, but just before the deletions happened two new log entries went up almost simultaneously, together with a total of three black-on-blonde porn pics in two different threads (one signed with your name, incidentally; another signed with “Salty Brown Balls”). I wonder if what happened wasn’t simply that GW, in the confusion of posting two new log entries and simultaneously hurrying to delete the three porn pics, didn’t accidentally erase portions of thread commentary. I don’t think he would have erased those comments that disappeared on purpose — or, if he did, it’s unprecedented and must mean he’s cracking down in some way that he hasn’t yet announced. I can’t explain any better than I already have that I’m NOT JEWISH. I was never raised Jewish and have NEVER IDENTIFIED AS JEWISH. My liking of Jews is because I grew up in a mostly Jewish world, not because “I’m Jewish.” Most people would be perfectly satisfied with that but not you, because you go by a Jewish one-drop rule. GW may also. There are details of my upbringing that would better show why “I’m not Jewish” but they’d simply bore everyone to death and I’m not going to start posting my biography — not that I’d mind, but it would be ridiculous: nobody comes here to read about my upbringing. Also, there are details about my upbringing that, if I told them, would convince you and others I definitely WAS raised Jewish (informally speaking, not formally in any way), so unless I’m going to be “complete” and post everything, I’m not going to pick and choose details that support one side. And again, nobody comes here to read the “Fred Scrooby Life Story.” They come to discuss the issues. Details of my life are of interest to no one and inappropriate to get into. You and Wintermute will just have to believe me. No one can point to any words I’ve posted — and I’ve posted many tens of thousands of words — that go against white people’s interests or Germany’s interests. You can’t simply judge each thing I post on its own merits? I guess not, otherwise this conversation wouldn’t be taking place. No matter. With that, I don’t think there’s any “demand” out there for more of this particular subject, so I’m through and I give you the final word if you like. 176
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 16, 2009, 11:52 PM | # (The Jew who posts those porn pics must really be proud of showing off the Jewish way of debating to the world.) 177
Posted by FB on February 17, 2009, 12:11 AM | # I don’t know what he accomplished by posting interracial porn, but then you have the case of filthy Razib who pretty much does the same thing, so I guess this type of behaviour is common or normal among Jews and coloureds. It’s a good illustration of why Jews and other non-Whites and Whites should lead separate lives, in their own respective bio-spheres. 178
Posted by Fred Scrooby on February 17, 2009, 12:32 AM | # I’m not certain the creep who does it is a Jew of course, but that’s my strong impression going by the pattern which I think has been pretty obvious, of the black-on-blonde porn pics going up always following thread discussion of subject matter that a Jew, not an oriental, not a subcon, not a Negro, just a Jew, would find offensive. The blog has had this problem about a year now. And this guy knows the blog owner is in the U.K., because he always waits till GW likely has gone to bed before posting the porn, so no one’ll take the pics down for several hours. This filthy creep, who I’m pretty sure must be a Jew, is too low, too pathetic, to realize he’s only confirming certain loathesome “stereotypes.” 179
Posted by FB on February 17, 2009, 07:39 AM | # Monkeys fling their feces to make a point, Jews and coloureds post interracial porn as a sign (I guess) that they object to White racial consciousness. Check this out: Go Britain! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNP1q1WMRt8&feature=channel_page Britain In 10 Seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjfnrcnqNXw&feature=channel_page 180
Posted by Judeo-Saxon on February 28, 2009, 02:54 AM | # So the Allies were better in treating the Germans?
by Christian Borleis As soon the Second World War ended in 1945, Canada and the United States began shipping food to the hundreds of millions of people who were facing starvation as a result of the war. Unprecedented in world history, this massive program fulfilled the highest ideals for which the Western Allies had fought. Their generosity seemed to have no limit. They fed former enemies Italy and Japan as well as a new enemy, the Soviet Union. Only Germany was left out. It is well known that for the next fifty years the Allies hanged and incarcerated Nazis for their alleged crimes the murder of six million Jews and their alleged criminal conduct of war. The crimes against the Jews seemed to be well documented. The crimes concerning German conduct of war was a judiciary concoction, which in fact didn’t differ from conduct of war by the victorious Allies. The verdict of guilt was a historical requisite of hanging the political and military leadership but also to justify the ravaging of the vanquished enemy with methods of so-called ‘democratic liberation’, that is with rape, plunder, murder, in short soldiery. Far worse than the crimes against the Jews and the pretended general war crimes by the Germans was in fact the National Socialist ideology, a philosophy, which was intolerable to the international bankers, because it threatened their monetary system. National Socialism stood against extreme capitalism of the West and the threatening communist revolution of Stalin’s Russia in the East. Between those super powers National Socialism emerged, forged by a determent leader to liberate a demoralised country from the vassals of Versailles. The restored pride and national identity was reason enough why the Germans had to be broken and punished as a whole and be treated different to their Allies. The imposed starvation and humiliation was part of the rehabilitation program. The cruelty imposed on defeated Germany was nothing new to the Germans. They had experienced a hunger blockade after the World War I, which was to blackmail the German government to sign the infamous Versailles Treaty. During those eight months eight hundred thousand people died. Genocide was invented by the English in the Boer War 1902, reintroduced after WWI and WWII again. What is not generally known is that these occupying Allied armies carved off 25 per cent of Germany’s most fertile land (Silesia, Pomerania, East Prussia and placed it under Russian and Polish control, forcible expelling about 12 million people into what remained Germany. It has also been forgotten that the Allies forbade emigration and kept millions of prisoners in forced-labour camps, changing the description of prisoner of war (P.O.) to ‘demilitarised personals’ to act within the Geneva Convention. International charitable aid to Germany was banned for another year, then restricted for more than one year. When it was permitted, it came too late for millions of people. In a plan devised by U.S. secretary of the treasury Henry Morgenthau Jr., the Allies “pastoralised” Germany. They slashed production of oil, tractors, steel and other products that has been essential to an industrial nation. They cut fertiliser production by 82 per cent. They undervalued German exports (which they controlled) depriving Germans of cash needed to buy food. And a large number of young male workers were kept in forced-labour camps for years. During the next three years following the end of the war, Germany’s industrial production fell by 75 per cent. The loss of so much fertile land and the drop in fertiliser supplies caused agricultural production to fall by 65 per cent. Sixty million people begun to starve in their huge prison. The mass expulsions from one part of Germany to another, approved at the Allied victory conference in Potsdam in July and August, 1945, were enforced “with maximum of brutality,” wrote British writer and philanthropist Victor Gollancz in his book, “Our Threatened Values” (1946). In the West, the plan to dismantle German industrial capacity began at the British headquarters of general Dwight Eisenhower in August, 1944. Meeting with Mr. Morgenthau, Gen. Eisenhower prescribed a treatment for Germany that would be “good and hard,” giving as his reason that “the Whole German populations a synthetic paranoid.” Mr. Morgenthau took a written version of their discussion to U.S. president Franklin Roosevelt and the British prime minister Winston Churchill when the two met in Quebec City in September, 1944. British foreign secretary Anthony Eden, U.S. secretary of state Corden Hull and U.S. secretary of war Henry L. Stimson all protested vigorously against the Morgenthau Plan because a pastoralised Germany could not feed itself. Mr. Hull and Mr. Stimson told Roosevelt that about 20 million Germans would die if the plan were implemented. Most historians say the Morgenthau Plan was abandoned after the protests, but Mr. Morgenthau himself said it was implemented. In the New York Post for Nov. 24, 1947, he wrote, “The Morgenthau Plan for Germany… became part of the Potsdam Agreement, a solemn declaration of policy and undertaking for action…. signed by the United States of America, Great Britain and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.” With 13 per cent of Germany’s heavy industry destroyed during the war, 3 per cent of heavy industry was dismantled after the war according to German statistics. But it was the Jewish World Organisation and the Zionist World Congress, which saved Germany from this fate of industrial destruction. It was thought that the Germans could be made to pay restitution for the enormous crime of Genocide on the Jews they had committed. In order to commit them to that task they would need to keep the remaining industry intact. As a consequence the Morgenthau Plan was abandoned in 1951 and replaced by the Marshall Plan. In hindsight the German industrial capacity was restored to aid the new state of Israel. The Holocaust, true or imagined, paid dividend to Israel and the Jews. The government of Chancellor Konrad Adenauer conducting a massive survey about the mass deaths of German prisoners of war in Allied camps with the result that some 1.4 million German prisoners had died in captivity. How many died in each camps was disputed by the two sides as each blamed the other for nearly all the deaths. But the fall of the Soviet empire in 1989 provided a spectacular test of the truth: The KGB archives were opened for historical scrutiny and reports from KGB colonel I. Bulanov revealed that 450,600 Germans had died in Soviet camps. In addition, the KGB records show that the Soviets had also imprisoned hundreds of thousands of civilians, of whom many thousands died. Documents of national archives in Ottawa, Moscow, Washington and Standford recently revealed that Allies not only destroyed most major industry, but also reduced German food production to the point that Germans received less food for several years than the Dutch had received under German occupation. “From 1945 to the June 1948, one saw the probably collapse, disintegration and destruction of a whole nation.” These were the words of the sober judgment of a U.S. Navy medical officer on the scene. Captain Albert Behnke stated that the ration set by the occupation Allies was 400 calories per day and in much of Germany in the three year period it was never more than 1000 calories. A comparison of the German censuses of 1946 and 1950 shows the effect of the food shortages. The 1950 census showed 5.7 million people fewer than there should have been according to the number of people recorded in the 1946 census, minus officially reported deaths, plus births and “immigrants” (people expelled from the east and returning prisoners) in the period from 1946 to 1950. The total tally of unacknowledged deaths among prisoners, refugees and non-expelled civilians comes to around nine million people between 1945 and 1950, far more than the number who died during the war itself. All of these deaths were surplus to those actually reported. More over, those deaths occurrence took place in peacetime while the world media did not bother to report about the fate of the starving Germans. When we hear about Genocide we are instantly reminded of the Jewish Holocaust. From the German point of view, the so-called Holocaust is a monopolised term of Hebrew definition, designed to enslave the German work force indefinitely for the benefit of Israel. If in fact the number of 6 million Jews killed during the war were true, the number of Germans perished after the war, to repeat ‘in peacetime’, still outnumbers the Jews. The question arises: where is the Holocaust Museum memorising the starved to death Germans??????? 181
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 19, 2009, 11:49 PM | # Good post by Judeo Saxon, which I hadn’t seen before now. I’ve saved it. 183
Posted by Bradley G. Barnett on October 29, 2009, 07:00 AM | # The Waffen SS was not any different than the ordinary soldier…......................PERIOD…....and Joachim Peiper is and was a man that all soldiers,whatever country they represent,should look up to! Who really won this war? Next entry: The Limits of Politics Previous entry: The Unnecessary Faith |
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Posted by Sacharite on February 03, 2009, 10:14 AM | #
The Jews must have really rewired your allegedly German circuits in your youth. That indoctrination self-hatred stuff actually works on some, amazing.