Was it just Islamic extremism?  Or was it really race?

In comments for the posts of others, I have speculated that one heretofore unmentioned potential motivation for the London bombings of 7/7 was race – in other words, it wasn’t just about religion and a “clash of civilizations.”  Interesting that British authorities are now talking about the involvement of a Jamaican-born, presumably Negro “Briton” in the attack.  We may learn that this person was a converted Muslim.  His wife is already said to have been so.  But we’ll see what else is revealed.

Nonetheless, it is quite interesting that the potential of a brown-black anti-white alliance may be here.  Comments about how so many of the victims were themselves ethnic minorities do not impress – London is so full of non-whites that any attack aimed at the UK’s capital is bound to harm some members of minority groups.  These people were not the targets, just “collateral damage.”

Here are some interesting and informative tidbits (Registration)

In Holbeck and Beeston, diverse, working-class neighborhoods, tensions between whites and residents of South Asian origin often run high…. Bradford, a community nearby, had riots a few years ago, as did Leeds, though on a smaller scale, and tensions between whites and South Asians often run high in the Holbeck and Beeston neighborhoods, home to many of Leeds’ Muslims, residents said. Many local businesses are owned by people of South Asian origin, a source of resentment among many whites. Last year a white teenage boy was stabbed to death by a group of South Asian teenagers, and the hard feelings have deepened since then …

A tall, shy teenager, Mr. Hussain, who lived in Holbeck, had taken up with a rough Pakistani crowd in his high school years, the kind of young people who brawled with white kids over girls and perceived slights.

The last sentence is quite remarkable and should be a wake-up call to people who are focusing only on religion.  Racial brawls over girls?  Obviously, that preceded the interest in religious beliefs.  The following quote also is also of interest:-

In many ways, the two youngest suicide bombing suspects, Mr. Tanweer, 22, and Mr. Hussain, 18, were British to the core, shaped by their diverse, rough neighborhoods, where flashy cars, petty teenage battles and designer clothes jostle with the Muslim values of work, family and religion. But in the last year or two, friends said, they had noted a turn toward Muslim piety in each man; nothing shocking or obnoxious, just something plain to see …

Mr. Tanweer, a university-educated cricket fanatic who also excelled in soccer and whose father ran a successful fish and chips shop, had taken to praying five times a day, something his relatives did not do, and attending a number of mosques regularly, acquaintances said. He even went to Pakistan last year to visit relatives and study religion, and some media reports said he visited Afghanistan on the same trip.

Putting aside the absurdity of the “British to the core” comment, one can ask: if religion was the motivating factor, then WHY did these young men become so religious all of a sudden?  What was it that made them turn away from being “British to the core” and move toward the path that ended in 7/7?  Was it a feeling of alienation due to race?  Once again: “young people who brawled with white kids over girls and perceived slights.”

Obviously, the NY Times doesn’t quite get it:-

As the identities of these suicide bombing suspects slowly emerged Wednesday behind a thicket of disbelief, the question that nobody in these neighborhoods could answer was this: What kind of radical force threw the three men together, with another bomber, to commit such a heinous crime against their country, the one they rooted for in soccer matches, and their people?

But that is the entire point: the UK was NOT their country, and the majority ethny in the UK was NOT their people.  One can speculate that it was this realization that put these young men on the path that culminated in the tragic events of 7/7.

To further my thesis of a racial motive, I cite Christian Science Monitor in which we can read:-

“The resulting isolation makes it easier for young Muslims to develop a contempt for British society….“There is also a lot of racism toward white British people,” says Ms. Choudhury. “It’s not really something that people want to talk about, but there are definitely some things that Muslims say between themselves that they would never say in front of white people.

Indeed.  The problem is that these South Asians are being racist against the British in the British peoples’ own homeland.  However, some do not think that the UK and London belong to the native Britons with (with apologies and acknowledgements to those who have already posted this quite fantastical statement elsewhere on the blog today):-

In Dalston market in north-east London on Thursday, “Abdullah,” a Muslim watch-mender and evangelist, was in a pugnacious mood…“We don’t need to fight. We are taking over!” he said. “We are here to bring civilization to the West. England does not belong to the English people, it belongs to God …  Mr. Helbawi pondered the attacks … London is a city for all the world.

Well, that’s that.  England belongs to God and/or to the world, not to the English people.  Of course, it would seem that South Asia belongs to the South Asian people; wasn’t South Asian self-determination the rationale for the fight against British colonialism?  But, what is good for South Asian cognitive elitists is, apparently, much too good for lowly white natives – and kuffars to boot -  in their own lands.

And, given that a US-based blog, that shall go nameless, has in the past featured two South Asian bloggers discussing their school fights with white American students because of racial slurs, the quote “… young people who brawled with white kids over girls and perceived slights” is very sobering indeed!

According to the NY Times article, some native Britons seem to have got it right:-

Some whites make no attempts to hide their disaffection, and say relations are only likely to worsen. “Make them all go back,” said David Swaine, 23, of Beeston.

Unfortunately, Mr. Swaine, “they” are not going anywhere, and “your” political establishment will continue to pander to every ethnic minority, not just Moslems.  Perhaps Mr. Swaine will join the BNP?  But what political options exist for the American majority?

 

Posted by JW Holliday on Thursday, July 14, 2005 at 04:24 PM in War on Terror
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Posted by sr on July 14, 2005, 04:48 PM | #

The BNP seems to this American to be acquitting itself nicely this week. I grow more impressed. What would a US party that was analogous to the BNP be like? What would its platform be? I would be tempted to say the least by such a party.

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Posted by Geoff Beck on July 14, 2005, 06:08 PM | #

Interesting insights, JW.

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Posted by john rackell on July 14, 2005, 06:13 PM | #

If I may just add a few remarks pertaining to some of the MSM quotes which don’t do justice to the true facts:

Last year a white teenage boy was stabbed to death by a group of South Asian teenagers, and the hard feelings have deepened since then …

Without commentary here is the incident I believe is referred to from the BNP, (or who knows, maybe it’s just one of many):

“A year ago, on January 16th, [sixteen year old] Ashley [Hedger] was stabbed four times by a gang of youths who left a ceremonial knife embedded in his skull.

Men from the local mosque had chased Ashley after wrongly identifying him as someone involved in an attempted street robbery. They caught up with him in the doorway of a grocer’s shop in Plashet Road, Upton Park and left him in a pool of blood with a knife, buried up to the hilt, in his head.”

http://www.bnp.org.uk/freedom/05jan1.html also describes the ensuing police investigation which seems to have been a farce in regards to obtaining justice to the victim.


the kind of young people who brawled with white kids over girls and perceived slights.

Here again the MSM blatantly lies by not telling the whole truth. They are not competing over girls, they are competing over white girls. Any Pakistani girl fooling around with a white lad would be murdered along with the boyfriend for bringing shame and dishonor to the family, and the Moslem community would respect the murderers. For Pakistani men to be fooling around with white girls is part of the dhimmization (sp?) of the white community, by proving that the moslems can operate with impunity in the white community including treating white girls like whores in front of white lads. I’m sure there a touch of “resentment” by whites over this.


Here’s a nice example of Moslem dating practices - fairly long I’m afraid, from a Dalrymple City Journal article:

“The [girl] was barely 16, a white girl two months pregnant by a Muslim burglar. She was covered in bruises. They had met when he burgled her house, where she had been left alone for the night by her single mother, with whom she fought like a cat and a dog tied up in a sack over the time she should come home at night from clubs and discotheques (her mother suggesting the abominably early hour of midnight). The burglar asked her to come with him, and she did; thenceforth he locked her up, never allowed her out of the apartment, forbade all contact with others, beat her black and blue, kicked her regularly in the stomach, demanded her conversion to Islam (he himself was a drunk), and in general expected her to be his slave.

When he went into the hospital for a small operation—the repair of a tendon in his arm, injured in the course of housebreaking—she had an opportunity to escape. I offered her every facility to do so, from a safe house to the services of a lawyer paid for by the public purse.

“I can’t leave him,” she said. “I love him, and he said he’d kill himself if I leave him.”


While the Muslim burglar remained in the hospital, she appeared every day, dressed in Punjabi costume, to tend her tormentor-lover, to bring him his Indian delicacies and all the little comforts he lacked.”

I WANNA PUKE!

http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_3_oh_to_be.html

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Posted by Geoff Beck on July 14, 2005, 06:54 PM | #

> I wanna puke.

There is something else I’d like to do.

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Posted by Braveheart on July 15, 2005, 02:48 AM | #

To compare with Belgium:

in the Brussels’ Molenbeek and Schaarbeek neighbourhoods (were the Belgian suicide fighters who depart for Iraq come from) Moroccans who behave too modern to the taste of the others, are called in contempt “Flemings”. The Flemings are in their perception the “worst” Westerners one can imagine.

Flanders,

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Posted by Stuka on July 15, 2005, 09:05 AM | #

Unfortunately, Mr. Swaine, “they” are not going anywhere…

Oh, really?! Mr. Swaine may very well get his wish in the end. We must retain hope. smile

In any event, gentlemen, knives shall be sharpened.

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Posted by JW Holliday on July 15, 2005, 10:58 AM | #

A quote from the last link about the Gitmo detainee, here referring to another NEC:

“Another Briton who was jailed at Guantanamo Bay — Feroz Abbasi who grew up in the Croydon, south of London — wrote in his melancholy memoirs penned in prison that he battled shyness, loneliness and suicide attempts before discovering Islam on a backpacking trip through Europe.”

Thus, the problems started BEFORE the religious discovery.  The religious factor is an effect, NOT a cause.  The cause is alienation, and the alienation results from race.

It’s race, and ultimately all about race.  South Asians in western societies are a serious problem - it has little, ultimately, to do with religion.

If the imported textile workers had been Hindus from India instead of Pakistani Muslims, they would also have clashed with the native working class population.

Instead, the Indians were more educated, upper-class professionals, targeted to more diverse, cosmopolitan cities - dealing more with effete ‘metrosexual’ whites than with working class “blokes.”

In the end though, the “comity” of NECs that Stoddard refers to will come out ... too bad European-derived peoples seem to have lost the white comity that Stoddard also refers to in his book.

We need to get it back

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