What is an American?

Posted by Desmond Jones on April 09, 2008, 12:31 AM | #

The protagonist, Edward Wilson, in DeNiro’s The Good Shepherdengages a mafia member for assistance. The following converstion ensues:

Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something… we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

Posted by skeptical on April 09, 2008, 01:10 AM | #

Desmond,

You just quoted my favorite line in that movie.

Oh, if only it were true…

Posted by haramzada on April 09, 2008, 07:45 AM | #

That was a good one. Both your reply and from the movie.

I would say blood which originated in the British Isles or Western Europe before a certain date — but I’m sure this question has been discussed ad nauseam elsewhere, probably by Fade…

Posted by James Bowery on April 09, 2008, 12:20 PM | #

There is a reason that military might has historically depended on mobilization of its farmers:

Carrying capacity creation is the determinant of biological legitimacy for immigration.  Military conquest is not self-sustaining. 

American history, and indeed Canadian and Australian history, is primarily that of the most recent transition from paleolithic to neolithic—from hunting to agriculture—a transition that had taken place in many other parts of the world previously, including in Central and parts of South America.  There were tribes in these, now, English-speaking regions practicing agriculture and some were, by some accounts, highly skilled but for some reason their aggregate ability to create carrying capacity was very low compared with what came afterwards, even ignoring petroleum-based agriculture of the 20th century—which, it might be argued, is unsustainable.

Posted by Peter on April 09, 2008, 01:13 PM | #

I would recommend Jared Diamond’s book “Guns, Germs and Steel” which i believe explains the reason why Native Americans couldn’t “advance” as fast as the Europeans and what led to their demise.
I will be coming to America soon to pursue the American dream! The Arab Muslims see Americans as someone who is “White”, “Western” - more liberal and most importantly Christian. People in these Middle Eastern countries view countries as “religion”. America and Europe as Christian, Israel…obviously as Jew and the rest such as India and China are considered “Idol worshipers”

Posted by James Bowery on April 09, 2008, 03:19 PM | #

How amusing that “Peter” would think we haven’t had more than enough “exposure” to Diamond’s “explanations”.

Peter, as for your “dream” of participating in the great American land-grab initiated by the Jews in 1965, might I suggest you consider contributing your talents to your own land rather than offering yourself up as a course of long-pig for your fellow would-be “disadvantaged minorities”?

Posted by Peter on April 09, 2008, 03:48 PM | #

Omg i think i am going to cry! everyone is picking on me…Because i am everything you guys hate? :(
Just for your pleasure James i am only coming to America for a few years to go to graduate school and then come back to Canada. I am not coming here to buy property… or propagate with white women.
Also if you don’t hate me enough to get killed, then next time don’t “suggest” i go back to my “own land”
Oh and i recommended that book because i just recently finished reading it and since i am only a new “member” I wasn’t aware it was already dealt with. But seriously James .... ouch.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 09, 2008, 05:10 PM | #

Jared Diamond is a race-denier, Peter.  He’s a race-replacement advocate.  Think of race as meat and these race-denying Jewish academics as strictest vegetarian chefs.  The theories/recipes they come up with, no matter what the domain/meal, are one-hundred-percent meatless/race-denying:  meat/the-existence-of-race plays no part whatsoever.  They carefully see to that, sometimes going to great lengths to pull it off.  Their amazing skill and inventiveness astound as they re-arrange/twist vegetables/facts in the most original ways to come up with utterly meatless/race-denying theories/dishes.  It’s uncanny how they do it.

Posted by James Bowery on April 09, 2008, 06:12 PM | #

Peter, you’re fairly far down the “kill them all” priority as vectorists go but you _are_ a vectorist.  Even so, you have more to fear from your fellow “disadvantaged minorities” due to the fact that its starting to get a bit crowded and the economy is in a downturn.  The parasites are going to start throwing each other overboard and some of them might even figure out how to selectively turn on the immune reactions of the host population.  You subcons aren’t all that high on the hyperparasitism food chain.

Posted by onlooker on April 09, 2008, 07:06 PM | #

James, you ARE brutal, man. 

Posted by n/a on April 09, 2008, 11:10 PM | #

I prefer Harry Laughlin’s definition of an American.

Posted by Captainchaos on April 09, 2008, 11:20 PM | #

So does that mean Italians and Slavs are shit out of luck?

Posted by n/a on April 09, 2008, 11:26 PM | #

Of course not, Captainchaos. America is a melting pot. A nation of immigrants. Diversity is our strength.

Posted by Robert Reis on April 10, 2008, 03:21 AM | #

My definition is not an ex cathedra pronouncement.

Suggestions for modification are welcome.

Posted by haramzada on April 10, 2008, 11:48 AM | #

So does that mean Italians and Slavs are shit out of luck?

Not until after the “Day of The Rope” — whereupon Italians, e.g., will be given a stern ultimatum to vacate Nordic Aryan Hyperborean Magna Mater Evropa within thirty (30) days or be subject to the new Ausländerpolitik. Padanians may extend their visas for up to ninety (90) days but must apply for work or resident visas if they intend to remain within the bounds of the real Europe, or until such time as Padania succeeds in breaking away from the smelly olive oil-ridden south. Until all this comes to pass, however, Italians and Slavs are “Europeans too, just different” participating in a Crusade or Reconquista in the name of a “Europe for Europeans”, though the Germans, among themselves, speak of “Erst Deutschland, dann Europa”, but no one need be concerned about this, Germans always have the best interests’ of others at heart. Additionally, with the exception of legal or racially-approved Padanians (the pure blond or red-headed Lombard “stock” which built the leaning tower at Pisa and painted all those purdy pichurs) no Italians shall qualify for the Aryans In Space program, in which select racially pure Aryan Hyperborean Kriegers aus Walhall will have the chance to colonize the moon; candidates will be personally vetted by the program director, Magister Supremo Constantinus von Hoffmeister and his team of ex-Skadian armchair experts in racial classification. As for Slavs, Himmler will be dug up, reconstituted with water freshly drawn from a spring in Hammerfest, Norway, and set to weeding through Poles, Czechs, etc. for only the perfectest specimens of Nordic Aryan German Hyperboräer.

The future is ours, gentleman! until the future comes and you confess you never really liked the French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanians, Tadzhiks, Poles, Czechs, Wends, Sorbs, Sardinians, or “true ARYAN girls from Iran”* after all, but were feigning catholic sentiments as part of your very clever strategy to trump up support throughout Evropa to reinstate the Holy Gross Deutsches Reich III which as we all know is still legally in effect and shall one day soon rise from the ashes like der Phoenix and turn back the muddish hordes!

*The Maltese, of course, shall enjoy full rights of citizenship in the New Evropa/Evrasia, as will Russians (carefully examined for hints of Mongol admixture), Finns and Estonians, and the Xinjiang mummies.

Posted by haramzada on April 10, 2008, 11:53 AM | #

And wintermute shall be President of Literally Everything. Because he’s read Boethius, you know, so nigga knows betta.

Posted by James Bowery on April 10, 2008, 01:08 PM | #

Haramzada, conflating Europe with America (with which I include Canada and Australia as agrarian pioneering human ecologies) ignores the point of this post. 

PS: Your caricature of “Nordicism”, or whatever it is called by its detractors, does little to advance intra-Euro relations post-Salter.  Pierce is dead.

Posted by haramzada on April 10, 2008, 03:15 PM | #

Your caricature of “Nordicism”, or whatever it is called by its detractors, does little to advance intra-Euro relations post-Salter.

Oops.

Posted by Matra on April 10, 2008, 03:23 PM | #

What is an American?

- A person with at least one ancestor from pre-Independence America (including Canada)

What is a European-American?

- 1) A person of European heritage living in the US with at least one ancestor of colonial stock (including present day Canada)

(Too inclusive? Alternative - a person whose ancestors are predominantly of colonial stock)

- 2) A person of European heritage living in the US who is willing to subordinate his own ethnic particularity to, and integrate into, the existing Anglo-American nation that was established prior to US independence

OK, those a bit clunky. In the words of Robert Reis “suggestions for modification are welcome”.

Posted by haramzada on April 10, 2008, 04:09 PM | #

- 2) A person of European heritage living in the US who is willing to subordinate his own ethnic particularity to, and integrate into, the existing Anglo-American nation that was established prior to US independence

In other words, Anglo Borg.

Posted by brrraap on April 10, 2008, 10:22 PM | #

Haramzada, conflating Europe with America (with which I include Canada and Australia as agrarian pioneering human ecologies) ignores the point of this post.

PS: Your caricature of “Nordicism”, or whatever it is called by its detractors, does little to advance intra-Euro relations post-Salter.  Pierce is dead.

Huh?  I be tinkin’ H-man be gettin’ it right.  I mean, with the likes of this…

Of course not, Captainchaos. America is a melting pot. A nation of immigrants. Diversity is our strength.

H-man’s nordic caricature is pretty spot on.  Wouldn’t you say?  With that, let’s see who this Harry Laughlin dude was…

Laughlin provided extensive statistical testimony to the United States Congress in support of the Johnson-Reed Immigration Act of 1924. Part of his testimony dealt with “excessive” insanity among immigrants from southern Europe and eastern Europe.

LOL!  Excessive insanity, Harry?  You don’t say!  Exhaustive research that must have been!

How’s this for excessive insanity.

Posted by n/a on April 10, 2008, 11:22 PM | #

Huh?  I be tinkin’ H-man be gettin’ it right.  I mean, with the likes of this…

Absolutely. Failing to celebrate “diversity” and mocking anti-American Jewish agitprop makes one a Nazi occultist, a German nationalist, and a friend of Constantin von Hoffmeister. 

Because an irrelevant disgruntled ex-VNNer in the J.P. Slavjanski mold says so.

let’s see who this Harry Laughlin dude was…

Yes, and let’s not trouble ourselves with picking up books or constructing rational arguments when we can grab at Wikipedia for something to attempt to mock.

Posted by brrraap on April 11, 2008, 12:13 AM | #

If one is lucky, they will either praised or condemned by their own words.  Is there a problem with Harry’s own words, Mr not-applicable?

Are we feeling a tad defensive after H-man’s mockliloquy?  Hmmm?  LOL

Posted by n/a on April 11, 2008, 01:45 AM | #

You are arguing Harry Laughlin edits Wikipedia?

By all means, go dig up Laughlin’s actual testimony and post it. You may find it slightly more difficult to mock hard data.

I’m not clear what is no implausible about overrepresentation of immigrants among the institutionalized; regardless, it was not the cornerstone of arguments in favor of immigration restriction.

Are we feeling a tad defensive after H-man’s mockliloquy?  Hmmm?  LOL

Yes, because it was so obviously and precisely targeted at me…not at multiple barely-connected political currents (likely none of which I subscribe to) whose main commonality is making halfbreed “MrOutis” feel unwanted.

Posted by James Bowery on April 11, 2008, 03:41 AM | #

The big problems in the America started with slavery, were exacerbated by the importation of Chinese rail and mine workers and were taken to a virulent extreme with the importation of East European Jewry which took over Edison’s invention of the motion picture hence television thereby destroying the pioneering values of America’s heartland from remote strongholds.  To obsess about South and Eastern European immigration as problematic in this context is specious.

Posted by haramzada on April 11, 2008, 07:49 AM | #

Yes, because it was so obviously and precisely targeted at me…not at multiple barely-connected political currents (likely none of which I subscribe to) whose main commonality is making halfbreed “MrOutis” feel unwanted.

Though I am not, and have never been “MrOutis”, who with JP Slovjanski would seem to fill the rôle of ideological bogey (of Italian and Slavic blood, respectively), I am flattered you would tink so nah — and I suppose “halfbreed” sums up what the MR set are doing “to advance intra-Euro relations post-Salter”. Fret not, however, for when the Day of the Rope comes off, you shall have your little laboratory, your own personal team of Coon-toting interns, and the Ausländeramt vom Nevropa will send you many blood samples for allele-counting. What’s to worry about? You’re not a caricature, you’re not funny or wasting your time, we’re just halfbreeds and mockers who don’t know you at all, as women like to say.

Ahh — Ahhh — Ahhhhh — ACHOOO!

....the dust of nineteenth-century race studies makes me sneeze.

Posted by haramzada on April 11, 2008, 08:04 AM | #

brrraap —

I like your blog. After this comment I’ll get to reading it in full. It seems n/a there decided I am “MrOutis” based on my recent comment on his blog, in an entry about Italians and their nigger arab moorish alleles. It apparently has not occurred to him that someone other than halfbreed nigger arab Eyetalians might find him absurd on this question, nor that “MrOutis” may not be the only disgruntled halfbreed Italian in existence, for that matter. I myself am anti-Pan-European, and more or less concur with these sneaky fellow on the southern Italian question, for slightly different reasons.

Posted by brrraap on April 11, 2008, 11:07 AM | #

H-man, sorry to say that brrraap.com is not my blog.  Who would have thought some other ingenius fellow would come up with such a name?  LOL

My suspicion is that mr not-applicable was forced to jump through the hoops by some Eyetalian and it has been downhill ever since.  Now he’s making it sound all scientific.

Posted by Desmond Jones on April 11, 2008, 03:12 PM | #

The future is here, gentlemen. The “Day of the Rope” has come. It swings for thee.

“The native American by the middle of the nineteenth century was rapidly becoming a distinct
type. Derived from the Teutonic part of the British Isles, and being almost purely Nordic, he
was on the point of developing physical peculiarities of his own, slightly variant from those of
his English forefathers, and corresponding rather with the idealistic Elizabethan than with the
materialistic Hanoverian Englishman. The Civil War, however, put a severe, perhaps fatal,
check to the development and expansion of this splendid type, by destroying great numbers of
the best breeding stock on both sides, and by breaking up the home ties of many more. If the
war had not occurred these same men with their descendants would have populated the Western
States instead of the racial nondescripts who are now flocking there.
The prosperity that followed the war attracted hordes of newcomers who were welcomed by the
native Americans to operate factories, build railroads, and fill up the waste spaces - “developing
the country” it was called.

These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the
earlier ones who came of their own impulse to improve their social conditions. The
transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey, and the
European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy, and hospitable
America the sweepings of their jails and asylums. The result was that the new immigration,
while it still included many strong elements from the north of Europe, contained a large and
increasing number of the weak, the broken, and the mentally crippled of all races drawn from
the lowest stratum of the Mediterranean basin and the Balkans, together with hordes of the
wretched, submerged populations of the Polish Ghettos.

With a pathetic and fatuous belief in the efficacy of American institutions and environment to
reverse or obliterate immemorial hereditary tendencies, these newcomers were welcomed and
given a share in our land and prosperity. The American taxed himself to sanitate and educate
these poor helots, and as soon as they could speak English, encouraged them to enter into the
political life, first of municipalities, and then of the nation.

The result is showing plainly in the rapid decline in the birth rate of native Americans because
the poorer classes of Colonial stock, where they still exist, will not bring children into the world
to compete in the labor market with the Slovak, the Italian, the Syrian, and the Jew. The native
American is too proud to mix socially with them, and is gradually withdrawing from the scene,
abandoning to these aliens the land which he conquered and developed. The man of the old
stock is being crowded out of many country districts by these foreigners, just as he is to-day
being literally driven off the streets of New York City by the swarms of Polish Jews. These
immigrants adopt the language of the native American; they wear his clothes; they steal his
name; and they are beginning to take his women, but they seldom adopt his religion or
understand his ideals, and while he is being elbowed out of his own home the American looks
calmly abroad and urges on others the suicidal ethics which are exterminating his own race.”

Posted by n/a on April 11, 2008, 06:15 PM | #

Project much, Rienzi?

I grew up in the northeastern United States in an urban area. . . . I experienced verbal harassment, and I was mugged and beaten.

Posted by haramzada on April 11, 2008, 08:14 PM | #

My suspicion is that mr not-applicable was forced to jump through the hoops by some Eyetalian and it has been downhill ever since.  Now he’s making it sound all scientific.

I don’t know about that. He seems too level-headed to be motivated by personal resentment; their genetic crusade against Italians is a passion quite apart from any experience with them. Southern Italians aren’t invading Britain. They already invaded northeastern America. So I don’t know what they’re trying to prove other than that southern Italians are nefarious, inept, half-Arab, half-nigger barbarians and not real Europeans. The blacker they paint the southerner, it would seem, the whiter, purer, more European they become.

Posted by brrraap on April 11, 2008, 09:13 PM | #

So I don’t know what they’re trying to prove other than that southern Italians are nefarious, inept, half-Arab, half-nigger barbarians and not real Europeans. The blacker they paint the southerner, it would seem, the whiter, purer, more European they become.

You may be correct.  I get it now.  Eyetalians black, Nordicks white.  Has anyone asked them what prize they are shooting for? 

He seems too level-headed to be motivated by personal resentment

He’s level-headed most the time.  Except when he’s interacting with Rienzi.  He gets a bit emotional during those times.  Almost like its personal, if you know what I mean.

Posted by Desmond Jones on April 11, 2008, 11:24 PM | #

Has anyone asked them what prize they are shooting for?

Preservation of the unique traits of the founding Americans.  The right to free association, inclusion or exclusion of groups based on whatever criteria they chose.

The Italian, the Pole, the Ukrainian, the Serb, the Slovak, the Syrian and the Jew, all maintain homelands, that are still overwhelmingly homogeneous. The founding people of the US, the American, has no other homeland.

Posted by Mark on April 13, 2008, 12:25 AM | #

The US could just declare the entire world to be the USA.  Open borders for everyone, and if whites are superior, we’ll dominate the entire world (I’m Scotch-Irish, German and English with ancestors who fought in the Revolution (for the Rebels)).
Numbers aren’t as important as wealth, guns and the willingness to use both.  I welcome all immigrants; it’s whites who created the welfare state.

Posted by James Bowery on April 13, 2008, 01:26 AM | #

The US could just declare the entire world to be the USA.  Freedom of association with territorial control for everyone, and if whites are superior, we’ll dominate the entire world (I’m Scotch-Irish, Dutch and English with ancestors who fought in the Revolution (for the Rebels)).

Oh wait… that’s precisely what non-whites fear and why they aways call white separatists “white supremacists”.

Posted by Lurker on April 13, 2008, 01:08 PM | #

“The US could just declare the entire world to be the USA.  Freedom of association with territorial control for everyone, and if whites are superior, we’ll dominate the entire world”

Im sure thats true, and thats why many non-whites hate/fear us. The posturing mestizos and arrogant middle class Indians et al know it somewhere inside themselves.

The situation in South Africa would change very quickly if “international opinion” just let everyone do what they wanted there. Whites would suffer initially but would come out on top.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 13, 2008, 01:31 PM | #

Mark makes an excellent and in fact a fundamental point.  What’s race-replacing us isn’t really proximity, not even extreme proximity, to Negroes and Mexicans — Scarlett O’Hara, Melanie Hamilton, Ashley Wilkes, and Rhett Butler lived in extreme proximity to house Negroes their whole lives, as did all their contemporaries.  They all had Negro mammies as young children and grew up playing with Negro kids the way Tom Sawyer and Huckelberry Finn did.  Yet their race was no more in danger of getting race-replaced than pigs are of sprouting wings and flying to the moon.  The Jewish fundamentalists currently trying to take over the West Bank from the Arabs live in extreme proximity to Palestinians but run zero risk of getting changed into Palestinians.  So how come whites are getting changed into Mexicans and Negroes?  The answer is the federal government is doing it:  it wants no hold-outs, everybody has to change races now, since it’s been officially decided at the highest levels that whites are to be phased out, and the government has made it that you’re not permitted to not change into a Negro — you have to do it, period.  Anyone who refuses is ipso facto a racist.  To that end government has passed numerous laws whose aim is to see that race-replacement:  1) is secure and remains unchallenged, and 2) goes to completion.  Undo those laws, rules, regulations, and directives and whites would stand a far better chance of surviving intact as a race even if there are lots of Negroes and Mexicans around.  Of course there’d still be tax policy and Jewish propaganda (from university to television to Hollywood) deliberately pushing race-replacement — but one step at a time.  James Bowery above put his finger on the most important thing we need to demand (not the sole thing but the most important), something we used to enjoy fully and untrammeled but since the 1960s advent of (fill in the blank) ______ hegemony has been taken away by the feds:  the right of free association.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 13, 2008, 01:53 PM | #

Sorry, it was Mark, above, not James Bowery, who put his finger on freedom of association as what we need restored — James was quoting Mark.  But James has said it too, any number of times — as have many others in this blog’s various threads.  And how right they all were!

Posted by Reiv on April 15, 2008, 06:42 PM | #

It is but little consolation to me, that my grandparents did not live to suffer the knowledge that they were not truly Americans.  They took so much pride in having been able to escape internecine conflicts on the auld sod, and traverse the great Pacific separately, where after much travail they were able to reunite, get married, and have children and a better life.  It might have broken their stout hearts to learn that they were not Americans, and that their descendants were condemned to live in diaspora, homeless and unwanted, like the Jew. 

Now I must face my children, and theirs, and impart to them the terrible knowledge, that they are not really Americans after all.  I can do that, but I might need a stiff drink, first.  Several, perhaps.

Oh, woe is me!

What utter nonsense.

Posted by Captainchaos on April 15, 2008, 08:31 PM | #

Reiv,

What is the ethnicity of your ancestors?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 15, 2008, 08:45 PM | #

“Reiv, what is the ethnicity of your ancestors?”  (—Reiv)

The reference to “auld sod” would normally mean Irish or Scots, but why “traverse the Pacific”?  Did they settle in Oz first, and come to the U.S. from there?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 15, 2008, 08:48 PM | #

Corrigendum:

“Reiv, what is the ethnicity of your ancestors?”  (— Captainchaos)

Posted by Desmond Jones on April 15, 2008, 08:49 PM | #

It is but little consolation to me, that my grandparents did not live to suffer the knowledge that they were not truly Americans.

What if your grandparents migrated east, instead of west, across the Indian Ocean, landing, after much travail in Africa? Would they then be considered Negros?

Posted by Reiv on April 15, 2008, 08:52 PM | #

The reference to “auld sod” would normally mean Irish or Scots, but why “traverse the Pacific”?  Did they settle in Oz first, and come to the U.S. from there?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 12:45 AM | #

No, I just got my oceans confused. 

Posted by Captainchaos on April 15, 2008, 09:25 PM | #

You’re White Reiv!  Join the party, we’re having fun over here.

Posted by weston on April 15, 2008, 11:50 PM | #

The blacker they paint the southerner, it would seem, the whiter, purer, more European they become.

  An alternative explanation could be that he is simply an agent provocateur.

Posted by John on April 24, 2008, 11:56 PM | #

Why don’t you all move back to England, Germany, or whichever pleasant Northwestern European country you came from? Be sure to build tall walls to make sure anyone who is not 100% white does not get in. In fact, if you can’t prove that every single one of your ancestors from the last 4000 years wasn’t white, you’ll be shot on the spot.

As for whether Riev’s parents would become Negros, no, that’s just stupid. But they would become citizens of whatever African country they went into. South African white people don’t become black, and black people in America don’t become white.

And what if you learned that you had ancestors who weren’t Northwestern Europeans, even if hundreds of years removed. Would that make you less human? Would you happily move to Africa or Eastern Europe and allow the pure Americans to enjoy their homeland?

Posted by Lurker on April 25, 2008, 05:40 AM | #

John - you’re not really addressing the points now are you. In fact you seem to be Mr Double Standard

“Why don’t you all move back to England, Germany, or whichever pleasant Northwestern European country you came from?......Would you happily move to Africa or Eastern Europe and allow the pure Americans to enjoy their homeland?”

If only it were that simple. North America, South Africa etc belong to the indigenous people and white people have no right to those territories it seems, so does Europe belong to us in turn. No, it turns out. We must also accept levels of immigration there which could replace us within a generation. Sounds like the old “whats yours is yours and whats ours is yours too” routine. So, John would you care to explain the rigorous logical underpinnings of the race replacement argument?

“what if you learned that you had ancestors who weren’t Northwestern Europeans, even if hundreds of years removed. Would that make you less human?”

Is anybody claiming that here? I dont think most people have a problem with the odd immigrant here and there - its the systematic and deliberate destruction of Europeans and their territory throughout the world via mass immigration thats the issue.

Posted by John on April 25, 2008, 01:56 PM | #

See, I can almost agree with you up until the words “systematic and deliberate.” When you use those words, I can no longer take you seriously. You become a conspiracy nut, and in my opinion in the same level as people who think we never landed on the moon, or wear tin foil hats so aliens won’t read their thoughts.

Who exactly is “systematically and deliberately” trying to destroy Europeans? Did all non-whites in the world hold a meeting on this or something?

America would not have become a super-power if it were not for immigration, especially after abolition. A strong workforce was needed, and people who were suffering in other nations saw their families had better opportunities here. Is that selfish of them, to want to have work and food and future for their children? Is that so far removed from the pioneers who set sail here in the 1600s?

Now, to be clear, I don’t at all agree with illegal immigration, and I do realize this as a huge problem, as it’s seriously draining away public resources for honest citizens. But I do not for a minute believe that this is a conspiracy to destroy white people. That’s just ridiculous.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 25, 2008, 04:57 PM | #

It’s systematic and deliberate, John.  If you want to know names, read up on who’s running things. 

I do not for a minute believe that this is a conspiracy to destroy white people. That’s just ridiculous.

So, it’s just some oversight that’ll be corrected as soon as they realize their mistake?

Posted by John on April 25, 2008, 06:50 PM | #

Listen, my parents happen to be (legal) immigrants, no, they aren’t trying to “invade” this country. You just happen to suffer from severe xenophobia at the expense that you’ll only believe that which happens to fit your delusions that you are inherently superior to others, and the only thing keeping you from the top is a horrible conspiracy the rest of the world has against you.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 25, 2008, 09:32 PM | #

There must be two “Johns.”  This one clearly has no business at this site, whereas I seem to recall a “John” who posted here in the past who did belong here.  To this new John:  I think the ideal site for you is one called CongenitallyRetardedNoëlIgnatievWorhippers.com.

Posted by John the so-called retard on April 25, 2008, 09:44 PM | #

I wasn’t aware there were two Johns. It’s such a rare name, you see.

And Noel Ignatiev is a moron. But that doesn’t make you any smarter.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on April 25, 2008, 10:31 PM | #

You’ve got the signature right, John ... but next time leave off the “so-called.”  It’ll be perfect!

Posted by John the retard on April 25, 2008, 11:52 PM | #

Your insults hurt me so, I think I shall cry all night. Oh well, at least I won’t waste my life preparing for a war that’s never going to happen.

Posted by Reiv on April 26, 2008, 12:14 AM | #

John and Peter are probably siamese twins.

Posted by James Bowery on April 26, 2008, 05:03 AM | #

John, what are you doing here other than being obnoxious to people with whom you disagree about something or other?

Posted by John on April 26, 2008, 01:08 PM | #

“Something or other”? I’m not debating you about your favorite films, or what pizza toppings you like. You know just as well as I do, probably more, that these are HUGE issues. At least I assume you know this, otherwise you’re wasting a lot of time on this site yourself, talking about “something or other.” These are huge topics, and I did not see any rules saying that to post here you had to share the mindset of the, ahem, majority. If you want, I shall kindly leave and never come back. No skin off my back.