Women Driving Racing Cars

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 28, 2005, 09:56 PM | #

“I don’t personally care whether he was right or wrong but I am glad he still felt free to say it.  And lots of people felt free to disagree with him too.  Which is as it should be.  It’s called free speech.”  (—from the log entry)

Excellent point.  We’re all starting to have quite enough, thank you, of PC-style suffocation in today’s world.  (Hear that, June Gordon?  Enough!  We’ve all had quite enough, thank you, so we enthusiastically give you our permission to go conduct your weird little “hate monitoring” hobby somewhere else—Castro’s Cuba, perhaps?  The offices of the SPLC itself?  Anywhere but here, please!)

Posted by john fitzgerald on October 28, 2005, 11:14 PM | #

I’m all in favour of female FI drivers, if their numbers increase the style of
driving will change, becoming more unpredictable .
Women should be encouraged to do really dangerous jobs especially those connected to construction of which almost no women seem to want to do. I beleive in equality!

Posted by Mark Richardson on October 29, 2005, 12:09 AM | #

Jenson Button is right, but his arguments are merely pragmatic.

The larger point is that a woman who devotes her life to motorsport is a lost soul. She no longer knows what the larger purpose of her life is, nor the greater things she represents as a woman.

Deep down everyone knows this. That’s why whenever such women are profiled, there is a big effort to try to prove that they are still connected in some way to their womanhood.

It’s supposed to reassure us.

Personally, I’m happy to accept the Danica Patrick types as female eccentrics, but I don’t have the same kind of respect for them that I would for other women.

Posted by Truth Be Told on October 29, 2005, 01:03 AM | #

At least women don’t agitate for a separate and lesser ‘womens’ motorsports league’.

Posted by Matra on October 29, 2005, 01:03 AM | #

Danica Patrick has risen to fame in part because of her bikini photographs! She’s pretty good in her profession - I wouldn’t deny her that - but her non-racing fan boosters are ideologically motivated. Her 4th place performance at Indy, though impressive at times, also involved her making an early mistake that resulted in a couple of (male) drivers being knocked out of the race. (You probably didn’t hear about that).

jonjayray - “I don’t personally care whether he was right or wrong but I am glad he still felt free to say it.

It’s a good thing he’s a British and not an American or Canadian celebrity or he could have lost sponsorship. Earlier in the year Bernie Ecclestone was roundly condemned - especially in America - for making a harmless joke about Danica Patrick and kitchen appliances.

Having said all that, Jenson will be in a better position to make jokes about women drivers when he stops driving like a Nancy Boy (he’s one of the easiest drivers to overtake) and actually wins a race!

Posted by Phil Peterson on October 29, 2005, 03:59 AM | #

And the mechanics wouldn’t concentrate. Can you imagine strapping her in?

I am now beginning to see the point.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 29, 2005, 12:38 PM | #

> Can you imagine strapping her in?

Ought’nt she be strapped into the kitchen having children?

Posted by Guessedworker on October 29, 2005, 04:29 PM | #

Remind me never to dine from your kitchen table, Geoff.

Motor racing ought, in theory, to provide a level playing field for girlies disinterested in their future welfare.  But ... the race to the flag is, at bottom, yet another manifestation of the male lust for status, power and supremacy.  How else is a chap to pass his genes on unless he puts the rest in their lowly place?

That is not, to be sure, a feminine pursuit.  No time for desiring desire and all the wiles and contrivances that go into it.  Just the ribbon of road reeling past and away into the mirror, and stacks of steel-eyed, testosterone-fuelled aggression, and the cold certainty that death really does come before dishonour.  From flag to flag, at least.

And what girlie, in the depths of her being, really thinks that?  Not even the lovely Danica.

So Geoff’s right, I’m afraid.  And does that make me an intolerable sexist?  Hell, yes, why not?  Proud of it, too.

Posted by Phil Peterson on October 29, 2005, 05:25 PM | #

Remind me never to dine from your kitchen table, Geoff.

ROTFL

Posted by Andrew on October 29, 2005, 07:07 PM | #

We could end up wit G M model Women for car racing soon, then what’s next? G M modification in women for Islamic Imam’s. What an interesting future we have?
They drive us up the wall at certain times of the month, so just tap in on some of that aggression, interesting concept.

Posted by June Gordon on October 29, 2005, 09:59 PM | #

Hiya Fred!  Are you the mouse in John Jay Ray’s pocket or are you just glad to see me?

It seems that you fellows are almost as misogynistic as you are racist.  Indeed, the white supremacist movement’s small numbers consist disproportionately of males.  Retrograde males.  Males who resent women and consider them inferior, too.  Even racist women seem to be unwilling to tolerate their male counterparts.  (Notice anything about contributors to this site, btw?) Obviously, half of the people you hope to influence are   objects of contempt for you, and well aware of it.  That is one of the aspects that dooms your movement.

Women have proven their ability to excel in numerous fields, including medicine, law and engineering, during the last few decades.  The momentum is unstoppable.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 29, 2005, 10:14 PM | #

You’re a wacko, June.  No, seriously.  You need treatment.  Go find yourself a good doctor.

Posted by Mrs. Blessed on October 29, 2005, 11:22 PM | #

June is a lonely woman.  She has no family, no children, just housecats.  She is menopausal, itching in her own skin, recognizing that the day she dies it will be as if she had never lived.  Her sell-by date has passed, and she knows that she got a bum deal on life.  Trolling internet sites that horrify and appall her is the only titillation she gets these days.  Don’t be mad at her; pity her.  It must be quite disheartening to note that one has made the ultimate sacrifice for an ideal (feminism) just to see younger women throw it away with abandon.  This so-called natalist movement must give her nightmares.  Not only was her own life a bust, but the movement she sacrificed everything for is dying as well.

Posted by Geoff Beck on October 29, 2005, 11:29 PM | #

> Remind me never to dine from your kitchen table, Geoff.

Touche’

Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 03:41 AM | #

June is a lonely woman.  She has no family, no children, just housecats.  She is menopausal, itching in her own skin, recognizing that the day she dies it will be as if she had never lived.  Her sell-by date has passed, and she knows that she got a bum deal on life.  Trolling internet sites that horrify and appall her is the only titillation she gets these days.  Don’t be mad at her; pity her.  It must be quite disheartening to note that one has made the ultimate sacrifice for an ideal (feminism) just to see younger women throw it away with abandon.  This so-called natalist movement must give her nightmares.  Not only was her own life a bust, but the movement she sacrificed everything for is dying as well.

Mrs Blessed,

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 05:14 AM | #

I’ve always said that it takes a woman to tear another woman to shreds and Mrs Blessed has shown what I mean.  I suspect Mrs B is right, though.

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 05:18 AM | #

“It seems that you fellows are almost as misogynistic as you are racist”

I guess that is why I got married 4 times—to 4 fine women with whom I am still on amicable terms.

A little challenge:  Let June tell us about the fine men in her life.

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 05:59 AM | #

“Women have proven their ability to excel in numerous fields, including medicine, law and engineering, during the last few decades.  The momentum is unstoppable”

And some men are good nurses.  What does that prove?

It is what is typical that is at issue.

I think June must be an Aristasian.  She writes like one—modulated nonsense.  Odd how she frequents lots of Rightist sites.  A funny way to get your kicks if you are as Leftist as she sounds. Mrs B must be right about her being lonely.

I am sure there is no real point in answering Juny but I suppose I will have to say again that the view of men and women as having different biological specializations is NOT misogynistic.  It in fact treats men and women as essential to one-another.

Posted by Mark Richardson on October 30, 2005, 06:42 AM | #

Mrs Blessed, thank you.

June G, you label me “misogynistic” because I think that what women do distinctively as women is important and worth defending.

In other words, you think that a man who values womanhood is a woman hater.

It’s not just a specific argument you make which is wrong, your whole approach lacks basic sense.

As for “resenting” women, I’ve just come back from a wonderful day out with my wife and son. I couldn’t be happier at this moment with women, marriage or traditional family life.

Posted by Phil Peterson on October 30, 2005, 07:49 AM | #

I couldn’t be happier at this moment with women, marriage or traditional family life.

Mark,

You are speaking a language that she doesn’t understand.

Posted by Tournament of Champions on October 30, 2005, 08:56 AM | #

It is just as likely June understands perfectly, but instead peddles half of the double standard “happiness & large family for my group, smallpox, miscegenation and familial breakdown for thy group”.

Posted by Al Ross on October 30, 2005, 09:46 AM | #

I suspect June Gordon’s surname is racially misleading and is simply camouflage for her Red Sea Pedestrian provenance and psyche.This may explain her animus towards the logical minds she affects to despise.

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 10:01 AM | #

June is certainly an interesting case. I doubt that she would be game to reveal much about herself though.

Silly talk to people she disagrees with is a strange way to spend time.

I take it that Mrs B was just making some shrewd guesses.

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 10:06 AM | #

To paraphrase Jesus:  The children of the light love the light and the children of the darkness love the darkness”

Google my name and you will find out more about me than you will ever want to know.  But Google June Gordon and you find nothing about her at all—other than that she loves accusing Rightists of bigotry etc

Posted by June Gordon on October 30, 2005, 02:11 PM | #

There’s always an Uncle Tom or Aunt Thomasina, MDM.*  Mrs. Doormat serves that role for some of the most retrograde specimens of humanity in the blogosphere.  She has yet to meet the male who’s behind she is not willing to kiss.  In return for her abasement, she gets patronized by the likes of you.  Mrs. Doormat once expressed doubt about surrendering her right to vote because of her gender as one of her masters had told her she must, but I suspect she is properly acquiesant by now.  Suffice it to say that her really lonely role in life, being a doormat to racist and misogynistic men, is not one that the overwhelming majority women would ever choose. 

We would not want to slight the subject, to the extent there is one, would we?  The traits required of a race car driver are quick reflexes, a good sence of kinetics and the ability to maneuver the vehicle.  There is no rational reason why there would not be women who have those abilities. 

MDM* = Much Divorced Man.  Kudos to those women for having enough sense to know to throw a particularly smelly fish back.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2005, 02:55 PM | #

“Suffice it to say that her really lonely role in life, being a doormat to racist and misogynistic men, is not one that the overwhelming majority of women would ever choose.”  (—June)

I hardly think the overwhelming majority of women would ever choose your role in life, June, which apparently consists of fantasizing giving blow-jobs to Morris Disease when you’re not skulking around web-sites pretending to do your weirdo “hate-group” monitoring when in reality you can’t control your jealousy of the mother of those twins who managed to get the WN men you apparently coveted for yourself.  Incidentally, the blogger whom you chose to rake over the coals in your “clever” little “MDM” footnote (is MDM a “women’s-lib insider” abreviation, by the way?—I’ve never heard it before) is the blogger here who is most scathingly critical of white nationalism in general and of the notion of race-replacement immigration in particular, the one who has no objection to unlimited immigration into Australia of Indian Subcontinentals and Chinamen, and the one joins with you (along with Mark Richardson, I think) in raising questions about the wisdom of what Lamb and Lynx’s mother is doing.  Maybe you should choose your targets better?

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 06:59 PM | #

Notice that June Gordon balked at the challenge to tell anything about herself.  She could only abuse Mrs B and myself, not refute either of us.

Abuse as a substitute for reasoning is of course mainstream among Leftists

I think this thread will now become the standard Google reference on June Gordon.  What fun!

Posted by liberallarry on October 30, 2005, 09:01 PM | #

Hmmmmmm..Any of you actually know Danica Patrick? It’s not like she’s the best racer in the world, yet she is so despised for her goals. I would think the men here at WN would be at least slightly accepting seeing that she is white. And apparently her genes would pass down her quick wits and reaction.

In Danica’s case, she dropped out of school so she could focus on her racing hobby. That requires parents who could make that possible, and I’m sure daddy is real proud of his little girl doing so well in her hobby. In fact, I’m sure the two share a passion for F1 racing, and I’m sure his own love for the race is what inspired her to become a racer.

Danica is also engaged. Normally that’s followed by child birthing, so its not like she has gone so far out-of-step with the norm. Nowadays, many women do put off child-birth for at least a couple more years than in previous centuries (mostly because of economic reasons, but some for individual persuits).

Posted by Mrs. Blessed on October 30, 2005, 09:59 PM | #

One of the many problems I have had with feminism is aptly illustrated here by June Gordon.  One the one hand, these shrews rail against evil, oppressive, controlling men, but when confronted with women who defend these apparent troglodytes, they can’t even extend to these women the common courtesy of being just as evil and oppressive, etc.  In their universe, these women can only be stupid or deluded, passive victims, never actors in their own lives.  Talk about a double standard!  Girls gone wild=Choice-Makers.  Traditional women=Brainwashed.  Apparently, there is only one legitimate choice.  Now, who is being paternalistic here?

However, back to the question at hand.  June Gordon wrote:  “The traits required of a race car driver are quick reflexes, a good sence [sic] of kinetics and the ability to maneuver the vehicle.  There is no rational reason why there would not be women who have those abilities.”  The traits required of a race car driver are similar to those required of a fighter pilot.  We can look at fighter pilot research to predict how well women can be expected to do.  The U.S. Air Force studied nine female fighter pilots in a Dynamic Environment Simulator (DES).  “DES is normal fighter simulator situated in centrifuge and these female subjects performed a complex combat flight mission in high + Gz environment (max +9 Gz). Results showed that G-tolerance with fit G-suits is the same compared to male fighter pilots. However, female flight performance was 15% lower than male fighter pilot performance in equal conditions. Conclusion is that female fighter pilots have to push much harder in high G environment and this effort will decrease their ability to make correct tactical maneuvers in order to get clear gun or missile shot.

“Based on discussions with Dr. Hamalainen, M.D., Ph.D. (Air Force Academy of FAF), possibility of G-induced neck injuries in female pilots is predicted to be higher compared to male pilots. No studies are done on this issue, but in car accidents incidence of whip lash neck injuries is 20 % higher in females based on anatomical structure of female neck.”  (http://www.sci.fi/~fta/physiolo.htm)
[continued]

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 30, 2005, 10:04 PM | #

“Danica is also engaged. Normally that’s followed by child birthing,”  (—Liberal Larry)

Yes but there’s an intermediate step, a little thing called ... marriage ... You may have heard of it, Larry ... It’s something your extremist friends have been toiling day and night to rid the world of (the Western World, at any rate ...).

Posted by Mrs. Blessed on October 30, 2005, 10:05 PM | #

What else do we know about male and female physiology? 

From the report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces (report date November 15, 1992, published in book form by Brassey’s in 1993):

“Women’s aerobic capacity is significantly lower, meaning they cannot carry as much as far as fast as men, and they are more susceptible to fatigue.

In terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median. The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man….”

There is more.  Women are more susceptible to stress fractures.  They are shorter, have a less advantageous ratio of muscle to fat.  http://www.cmrlink.org/international.asp?docID=113

In short, Danica Patrick may be the world’s best female race car driver.  But it is likely that she will never be better than a mediocre race car driver when normed with men. 

However, the whole point of the original post is to point out that this POV has been run out of respectable society by anti-logic and anti-science bigots who would rather see women die (see Kara Hultgreen) than admit there might be physiological difference between the sexes that affect physical performance.

Posted by jonjayray on October 30, 2005, 10:08 PM | #

I think Moony Juny has met her match on this blog.

Her usual attempts to boost her own feelings of righteousness by making modulated posts on Rightist blogs degenerated here into her calling me a “smelly fish”

How intellectual!

Posted by dlg on October 31, 2005, 07:38 AM | #

Kudos to Mrs. Blessed for that calm and well-reasoned response to June Gordon.

Posted by June Gordon on October 31, 2005, 01:11 PM | #

Now, MDM, did you really think I would be impressed because you sent for Mrs. Doormat?  She’s a fixture at any Internet hate fest.  (Though, in contrast to the males, most of Mrs. Doormat’s hate is directed at women, particularly herself.) You would have done just as well to send for April Gaede, i.e., not well at all.

Not Ready Freddy, MDM is a racist and misogynistic.  That’s what matters.  The fact he may prefer tall double lattes at Starbucks as I do is trivial.  Heck, Hitler was a vegetarian, but that doesn’t mean he deserves praise from me, either. The focus should be on what matters most, not trivialities.

Again, because one needs to repeat simple things over and over again at a site like this one, individuals’ aptitudes determine what they can do, along with opportunity and luck.  There will be successful female race car drivers now that the barriers to such achievements are eroding. Some women have the skills, so it will happen.

Posted by ben tillman on October 31, 2005, 07:56 PM | #

Talk about a double standard!  Girls gone wild=Choice-Makers.  Traditional women=Brainwashed.  Apparently, there is only one legitimate choice.  Now, who is being paternalistic here?

Brilliant, Mrs B.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on October 31, 2005, 08:33 PM | #

June I know Mrs. Blessed has already drawn blood and I don’t want to pour salt in the wound (we’re mean here, but not that mean ...) but have you seen

this

over at Steve Sailer’s?  I’m only trying to help, hun ...  You might want to check it out.  Here’s a sample:

“It appears to be finally dawning on poor, loveless, childless Maureen [Dowd] that feminism wasn’t designed for heterosexuals like herself.”

That’ll give you an idea of where Steve goes with it ... As you can see it’s something you can use at this stage of your life ... And while you’re at it, perhaps you’d better check out Steve’s log entry a couple above that one:  it hasn’t got its own permalink yet, so just go to

Steve

‘s and scroll down the right-hand column until you come to where it says,

“More on ‘Maureen Dowdies’:  A mother of three writes:”

(It’s right near the top now, but that’ll change.)  Here’s a sample, hun (no don’t turn away ... swallow the medicine, dear, there’s a good girl—the taste will be bitter but you know it’ll do you good—after all, you have to face the complete mess you’ve made of your life sooner or later, dear ... might as well be now—mustn’t run from it forever, you know ... there, there now, it’ll be all right ...):

“Maureen Dowd is one of those once-upon-a-time young, very attractive females who swallowed that whole feminist thing about marriage being slavery for women. Actually, what the feminists really meant is that marriage is slavery for lesbians - which is probably somewhat accurate. Maureen just never figured out the lesbian part.”