Post Brexit-vote roundtable: Leadership contest and the Turkish factor, Part 2.

Posted by Kumiko Oumae on Sunday, 03 July 2016 16:35.

Michael Gove faces the cameras.
Michael Gove faces the cameras.

Summary: Part two of a roundtable between Guessedworker, DanielS, and Kumiko Oumae, about Brexit and the leadership contest which is emerging in the aftermath of the decision.

Thoughts about the situation in Turkey are again explored.

Recorded on 01 Jul 2016.



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Posted by Ryan on Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:48 | #

Michael Gove is the epitamy of a British Cuckservative. I would advise those who have any kind of positive inclines towards him to look into his vendetta against the British National Party whilst education secretary which led to Department of Education putting in place a policy that bans British National Party and National Front members from teaching in public schools.

One of his motivations for leaving the EU was that the EU mis-management was allowing genuine patriotic, anti-immigration parties to gain more support. Thus he views the EU as threatening the post WW2 rootless-liberal order so he wants to get out to ensure it’s continuation.

His ‘conservatism’ does not go beyond support for Grammar Schools, of which it is more likely down to personal snobbery and the desire to carve out a support base among tory members. He was also a supporter of gay marriage, so much for Christian values…

Likewise readers will no doubt be surprised to hear that his wife, the Daily Mail journalist Sarah Vine, is of Solomon’s tribe. No doubt this close confident will always be steering Mr Gove to support policies that are in the best interests of the native White British people; just like the thoroughly patriotic institution of the Board of Deputies have always done.

The Australian ‘points based system’, which he mentioned, is a recurring soundbite of civic-cuckservatism. The demographic subversion of Australia since the early 70’s has been at a quicker rate than the UK with this system in place. If your a White European they are ‘tough’ but if you are of a Non-White origin then such ‘barriers’ are worked around.

Gove, May or Boris (if he still was in the race) are ‘carry on’ cuckservatives on immigration, making grandstanding sound bites to placate while taking no action beyond tokenism, no different than prior Tory premiers like Macmillan, Heath, Thatcher, Major and Cameron. The sooner the Tories elect as their leader a non-European, transsexual lesbian single parent with a religous devotion to defending Israel and replacement levels mass immigration the better as they will at least be an accurate representation of what the modern ‘Conservative’ party truly is.


Posted by Visegard's new relatons on Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:43 | #

Counter Currents, “Brexit and the Visegard four”, 5 July 2016:

A fault line created not by Brexit, but by Berlin and Paris

Let’s hope a fault line is created.


The six founding members of the Union — the Benelux countries and the little European giants, Italy, France, and Germany — had an emergency meeting in Berlin on Monday, June 27, to discuss the future of the European Union . . . at least according to them. They excluded “secondary members” and, therefore, the Visegrád Group.



The V4 has already announced plans to deal with the UK as a bloc, and contrary to the liberal-libertarian and federalizing Berlin-Paris axis, the Visegrád Four wasted no time rallying around them the nations whose sovereignty was not taken into account by the EU.

As we’d hoped, a trading cooperation between Intermarium and Britain


Posted by The flood of nationalist deportationists on Wed, 06 Jul 2016 02:02 | #


This article at The Right Stuff uses a metaphor that I have always liked, of Europe and its states as analogous to a ship and its compartments:

TRS, “For Europeans to Live, the EU Must Perish,” 5 July 2016:

      - Tom Paine

Think of the EU as a ship, its 28 member countries as compartments below the waterline, Europeans as passengers, Mohammedans and Africans as the sea around them. When the ship’s hull is breached, its rules (EU Freedom of Movement) require all hatches between compartments to remain open. (It is impossible to exclude anyone with EU papers from moving to another EU member except in extreme cases). Crazy but true.

While the ship’s crew could in theory protect passengers by closing hatches to contain flooding to one compartment, in practice the crew devotes its efforts to silencing the passengers’ “hydrophobia” as the sea pours in…

The article focuses too much on law change, however. That is an arduous and vastly insufficient answer to what we need: which is a compelling argument for mass deportation, a call emphatically understood, undertaken with the action of a flood of combined nationalist effort that would simply drag laws and bureaucracies along or bury them underfoot if they will not willingly comply to our will.



Posted by Gove out, Leadsom & May remain on Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:56 | #

Michael Gove is the epitamy of a British Cuckservative

No need to worry about any problems that a Michael Gove Premiership might entail because he has just been eliminated along with everyone except for Theresa May and Andria Leadsom.


Posted by Jacob Rees-Mogg now a favorite on Tue, 05 Sep 2017 07:32 | #


Business Insider, LONDON — “Jacob Rees-Mogg is now the favourite among Tory members to replace Theresa May, a shock survey of activists has revealed.”,  5 Sep 2017:

The poll by the Conservative Home website found that Mogg is now well ahead of his more senior rivals for the job, David Davis and Boris Johnson.

23% of party members backed Mogg, compared to just 15% for Davis and just 7% for Johnson.

Mogg has recently become a darling of party activists, particularly among its youth wing.

Yesterday, the Activate group, which is seeking to become the Conservative version of Labour’s Momentum movement, released a statement endorsing Mogg for leader.

“Enough is enough. @theresa_may must resign so we can build a movement behind @Jacob_Rees_Mogg,” the group tweeted.

The Conservative Home poll also found a majority of members want May to stand down before the next election. Over 60% said the prime minister should stand down either immediately, or before Britain goes back to the polls.

The findings come as Mogg prepares to address Tory grassroots activists at an event in Westminster this evening.

May is reportedly considering bringing Mogg into government in an attempt to thwart his appeal with activists. However, Mogg is unlikely to accept the offer if made.

One friend of the MP told the Telegraph: “If he were offered something purely to shut him up, there would be absolutely no point in him accepting it.


Posted by Britain - As I See today on Thu, 07 Sep 2017 05:50 | #

Post Truth, Post Democracy, Oh My God What Have We Done?

I cannot recall at the outset of my quest some ten years or more ago if the term red-pill had been coined - I suspect it hadn’t.

Throughout those early years I could never adjust my time scale thinking when pontificating where the globalist project was going next.  Such was the nature of the beast It soon became apparent to me there was always going to be a time lag from my projected crystal ball vision to the reality of confirmation or otherwise had come to pass.  It always intrigued me how much my predictions bore fruit by tuning in to the BBC News.  It never ceased to amaze me on occasions when one of my predictions would jolt me from my gazing at the screen.  Thank you BBC.

Yes, this global project was not going to be an overnight affair, common sense should have told me that it had been gestating for possibly hundreds of years, even so, it’s always surprised me at the length of time how long it was all taking to progress, not so much now as we’re talking decades into the future.  It’s a mystery as to why this should have irked me as I knew full-well this was going to be a marathon and not a sprint.  Not surprising, as the chosen method of the whole project was based on the incremental softly-softly catchee monkee model.

To me, the thrust at the heart of the globalist project was always going to be mass immigration, which in itself would be its Achilles heel for surely they couldn’t hide millions of aliens among our populace who didn’t look and dress like them.  It was self-evident mass immigration would at some point signpost neon lights to the host population what was going on.  It’s interesting at this point to ask what was the thinking of the architects as to how to explain it all to the British people?  The answer was surprisingly simple, the PTB had no intention of discussing the phenomena of millions of aliens among them.  I’m still reeling from the audacity at the way it was achieved, to me it really was beyond belief.

At the time of writing Britain is on the brink of extinction, the tipping point of no return has long since passed.  The recent shenanigans of Brexit is deconstructing democracy as we watch our screens The deconstruction which is Post Truth Trump has spun on a sixpence and sided with the globalists, ignoring the millions of voters who, like me, were sucked into the scam of the illusion of democracy.

In the earlier years I would field a question to whoever was around to the effect when are the people of Britain going to realise what is going on?  Is there to be a future date when the populace rises up and exclaims ‘Oh My God What Have We Done’?  And yet, as the years slid by I would randomly throw the question out again, only to be swatted once more in the long grass for another day.

Today, I’m getting the feeling watching the BBC News and reading the daily press, the question I’ve posed periodically down the years is slowly being addressed; only yesterday, immigration is being debated as never before,  The NHS is in crisis in so many ways ordinary people can see how immigration is affecting their lives.  Present infrastructure throughout cannot cope, traffic in my home town is reaching gridlock at peak times. There’s a mother of crisis of insufficient homes available, There’s a shortage of doctors and dentists, they’re are not taking on any more patients, EU immigration is to be seriously reviewed as per Brexit and British workers are to be given priority.

Aside.  What of the non EU (Third World)?  Will non-white immigration continue at existing levels?
Engineered chaos combined with anarcho tyranny is thriving here in Britain, the only way being is more of the same in all areas of everyday life.  The resident immigrant population are out-breeding the host nation’s birth-rate.  I would venture if all immigration was to stop today it would make no difference, the indigenous Briton will become extinct within a few decades.

Liberalism in Britain is unravelling by the day ensuring even more chaos.  Something called Alt-Right is be being bandied around but mainly on the Internet, it sounds like a sort of BNP but there’s no traction of support as I can see.  It’s more openly discussed in America but mainly in terms of National Socialism.  But that’s another story.

The moment is fast approaching here in Britain when my question is tentatively hoving into view.

‘Oh My God What Have We Done’?

All of the indicators briefly outlined above suggest it cannot be delayed much longer.  Perhaps the debacle of Brexit is skewing the overall picture.  Even so, I feel the globalist project has so many plates spinning the BBC will be kept busy for a long time yet.


Posted by Britain - As I See It today. on Thu, 07 Sep 2017 06:25 | #

The other day I skimmed down a piece by Hitchens in the Mail.  The title of his headed comment was…. Diana’s greatest legacy is the destruction of our monarchy

My comment is, how could he write a piece like this without mentioning mass immigration or multicultural Britain?

There’s far too many articles like this.


Posted by Mogg opposes abortion even for rape cases on Thu, 07 Sep 2017 22:15 | #

Mogg opposes abortion even in cases of rape


Posted by Michael Gove on Tue, 12 Dec 2017 11:26 | #

Michael Gove in an information pod at the WWF Living Planet Centre in Woking. Photograph: Steve Parsons/PA

The Ecologist, “Michael Gove has it in his gift to make this a green Christmas”, 7 Dec 2017:

The restoration of life and the end of extinctions. Good land management plans for every country. The end of ocean plastics. No more pesticides. Is all this too ambitious for a Christmas wish list? RUTH DAVIS of the RSPB does not think so.

So now is the moment for a new generation of green campaigners to come to the table.

Michael Gove, the environment secretary, has in the last few months repeatedly said that he wants our country to be an environmental leader – and has signalled his seriousness by banning bee-harming pesticides, and laying out plans for a new green watch-dog. 

Whatever your politics, this is exciting. It could also be globally significant. Because to put all his plans into action will require a revolution in environmental thinking, involving not just protection but renewal – an approach which could spearhead an international plan to save nature. 

And it is this international plan that we must demand, to tackle the spiralling environmental crisis. Nothing else will do.  So if I was to writing to the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) today, I would include these things in my Christmas list..

Earth and seas

Bold new goals to restore life on earth - its abundance, its diversity, the amazing places where it still thrives, and the areas where it can return. Human-driven extinctions must end, as must the destruction of our last, precious intact natural ecosystems.

Land for life. Each country should have its own plan for good land management, driving investment into the ecological innovation and know-how needed to re-boot modern agriculture, and safeguard long-term food security. Governments should reward farmers for restoring soils, protecting natural stores of carbon and supporting wildlife.

An end to oceans plastics, and protection of the ‘blue commons’.  We must champion global efforts to defeat the monstrous problem of plastic in our oceans.  At the same time, we must set aside much larger areas where marine life can recover, building on the ambition of the Blue Belt.

Much tighter regulation of pesticides.  The neonicotinoid ban is great news – but we need to rethink how we use chemicals in the environment.  My old friend Nigel Bourne, of Butterfly Conservation, said it first and said it best – next time, we shouldn’t have to face a crisis before we consider a ban.

Help for people to shape the places where they live.  In talking internationally, we often forget that change happens locally. To achieve more, we need to involve more people; rebuilding local economies around a shared vision for the environment, investing in industries and businesses that repair, rather than damage, the earth and seas around us.

Ordinary people

You might think this list is preposterous – too long, too ambitious -  when the country has so much else on its plate. But what’s the point of Christmas, if you can’t think big?  And although I am fifty this year, I have begun to feel the child-like sense of adventure that comes when something amazing is about to happen – when a movement is being born.

We are re-thinking what it means to eat well, both for our own health, and within the limits of the land available - since this land is also home to the rest of life on earth.  A new generation is wondering anew about our responsibility towards animals held in captivity, and to the wild creatures trapped in the debris of our lives.

The manacles of plastic around the feet of sea-birds appal us; the heaps of elephant carcasses killed for body parts are images that will last a life-time, a silent call to action for the conservationists of the future.

But anger and grief alone are not enough. To change things for the better also takes hope and purpose. And hope is alive, not least because of the steadfastness of the climate movement. Many will claim that today’s shift away from fossil fuels was inevitable – the result of technological evolution, rather than the efforts of campaigners. But They will be wrong.

The change was catalysed by ordinary people, who succeeded in getting a few governments to listen to them when it seemed we were destined to burn every last lump of coal in the ground.

Demanding laws

As a result, the next generation of environmentalists understands that campaigning energy, coupled with disruptive technology, can challenge the status quo.  They value the potential for human ingenuity to turn problems inside out – to replace rare metals in batteries with material made from apple-cores; to build homes that are also vertical farms and hanging gardens.

This is modern magic, and because of it, the future need not be more of the same. 

Earth optimism – a confidence that solutions are possible and that we can and will renew the fabric of our tattered world – is a heady force. But it will need political action to give it wings.

So now is the moment for a new generation of green campaigners to come to the table. It is also the moment when we are deciding what sort of a country we want to live in; and when Mr Gove is making the environment front page news.

After Brexit, we will inherit laws from the European Union which have helped safeguard wildlife and tackle pollution. We must grasp this legacy, but we must also build on it - demanding laws and policies that will not just ‘stop the rot’, but begin to renew the tattered fabric of our living planet.

The game’s afoot! as Holmes used to say to Watson. Let’s play.

This Author

Ruth Davis is deputy director of global conservation at the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds.

The Guardian, “Michael Gove: from ‘shy green’ to ‘full-throated environmentalist’?”, 12 Nov 2017:

Michael Gove has transformed from a “shy green” into a “full-throated environmentalist”, according to close allies who have said the Conservative MP has been heavily affected by his latest ministerial brief.

Howls of protest made by green groups, commentators and political opponents when Theresa May decided, in June this year, to elevate the high-profile Brexiter to environment secretary were slowly being proven wrong, they claim.

There has been: a ban on ivory sales; bigger penalties for animal cruelty; questions raised over farming subsidies; action on plastic bottles; CCTV in slaughter houses; a ban on bee-harming pesticides; and now the promise of a post-Brexit “green revolution” with a new independent watchdog as the centrepiece reform.

And yet when he was appointed to the role, former energy secretary Ed Davey, a Liberal Democrat, said it was like “putting the fox in charge of the hen house”.

He argued that Gove had even tried to remove climate change from the geography curriculum – advisers have hit back to say he only wanted to move the subject to science.

UK will back total ban on bee-harming pesticides, Michael Gove reveals

Others were concerned that an MP whose bullish manner as education secretary alienated large parts of the teaching profession, would be ready to strip back environmental protections in the Brexit process.

But one Tory minister has told the Guardian they believe the opposite has happened – suggesting that Gove had instead undergone a conversion inside the Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs.

“He is greener than Zac Goldsmith and best mates with Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and WWF,” the sources said, referring to a Tory MP known for environmental views. “Fox in the chicken coop in reverse.”

Greenpeace UK executive director John Sauven said there was no doubt “Gove has defied many people’s expectations on the environment” with a strong stance on issues like bee-harming pesticides, single-use plastic bottles and the future of the internal combustion engine.

But he said air pollution moves had fallen well short and it was one thing to promise a green Brexit and another to deliver it. “The proof will be in the pudding, especially with the forthcoming agriculture and fisheries bills. But so far the starters are quite good.”

A friend insisted that Gove’s interest in the environment was not all new, pointing to a 2014 speech in which he told the Conservative Environment Network: “I was one of those characters we call ‘shy green.”

But the ally admitted that the MP had become much more passionate. “He is interested in policy and politics and if he is given a subject he will throw himself into it. Hence the ‘shy green’ is now a full-throated environmentalist.”

Even George Monbiot, the environmental campaigner and Guardian columnist, who was highly critical of the MP in previous roles, has claimed: “This is amazing. One by one, Michael Gove is saying the things I’ve waited years for an environment secretary to say.”

He joked that if this environment secretary ever met his former self at education, they’d hate each other.

Michael Gove ‘deeply regrets’ Trump’s approach to Paris climate agreement

And it is no wonder. The pleasant surprise of the green lobby is a far cry from the view of teachers and heads when Gove was in charge of the country’s schools. One union leader, Mary Bousted, called him “possibly the most contentious and divisive education secretary ever”.

And yet from environmental groups – that were deeply concerned by Gove’s promotion – there is some surprising praise.

Tanya Steele, who is chief executive at WWF, said the minister had hit the ground running with a “broad and ambitious agenda”, although she also set out the scale of the task facing him.

“A lot more needs to happen if we are to address major threats to our environment and the global crisis of biodiversity decline,” she said, calling for a 25-year plan with clear milestones.

Craig Bennett, CEO of Friends of the Earth, said that despite initial alarm at the appointment of Gove, which he said was fair enough given previous comments on EU regulations, “he has been making all the right noises and he’s started to make the right action”.

He added: “To his credit, the moment he got the job he reached out and definitely went beyond the normal pleasantries to engage, listen and debate.”

Bennett said the minister’s speech on soil fertility was one that the green lobby had been waiting and hoping that every environment secretary would deliver.

But Bennett sounded a serious note of caution. He described preparations for Brexit in time for spring, 2019, as an “impossible task” and said it was hard to see how the minister could keep to his promise to maintain environmental regulations after the UK leaves the EU.

Michael Gove calls for views on setting up plastic bottle deposit return scheme

“They say they are going to cut and paste environmental regulation – but when you cut and paste often the formatting goes awry and you lose fundamental things and that is our fear,” he said, arguing that leaving the EU would not be good for the environment.

“It will be one of the biggest shocks to environmental protections in years. And that is not to question [Gove’s] good intentions.”

Molly Scott Cato, a Green MEP for the South West England electoral region, insisted that she would keep Gove the environmentalist in “special measures”.

For example, despite the positive move to ban neonicotinoid pesticides, she said he was still allowing limited use under emergency authorisations, which could be damaging.

“I believe Gove is posturing on a series of environmental cheap wins merely to establish himself as a sheep, before revealing himself as a wolf,” she said.

Gove’s friend admitted that Gove’s time inside Defra had impacted on the minister’s views on Brexit – in particular making him embrace the idea of a two-year transition period to help cope with the complexity of preparations.

And he has taken on his cabinet colleague, Liam Fox, by insisting that Britain will not compromise on standards in order to do a trade deal with the US, for example by accepting chlorinated chicken.

But asked if environmental responsibility had made the minister regret his hefty support for Brexit, the ally responded: “Not in the slightest – he believes in it. In particular, he thinks it creates huge opportunities in Defra, what he calls a ‘green Brexit’.”

Michael Gove demands end to Sheffield tree-felling programme.

It is not the first time Gove has received a reaction of pleasant surprise while heading a government department. After a rough ride at the education department, his plans to offer prisoners more freedoms and boost learning in prisons were well received when he was justice secretary.

One difference, according to a source, is that Gove had spent years in opposition drawing up his plans for the country’s schools, but when he was moved to justice and environment, briefs he knew less well, he turned to the experts for advice.

Rebecca Pow, MP, on board of the Conservative Environment Network, said her colleague’s time listening to green groups had resulted in him deciding the Tories would “go up a gear” on environmental issues.

She said he had taken bold decisions, and argued that there were signs of his interests in the environment in previous roles, including making sure primary school children could name a variety of animals including amphibians, birds, fish, mammals and reptiles.

Bennett, of Friends of the Earth, said Gove was not the first politician to be affected by the role of environment secretary, pointing to former Tory MP John Gummer, whose work while in the cabinet had him branded a “green guru” by one newspaper. He said the same had happened with David Miliband.

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