Flags of the United States and British East India Company

Posted by Alex on Saturday, 23 January 2010 20:29.

There is a presumed history of things that is taught to most, that even the less powerful from amongst the elites believe…and then there is another history of these events, that only a relative few and powerful know.  It is important for those wishing to see not only the preservation of their own people, but the other various peoples of the world as well that make up humanity, to have an excellent grasp of the past so as to see clearly as to what to do in the present.  Hence entries here such as this…

Reflecting the nature of the ‘New Order’ of things to be established on the earth as proclaimed by the Great Seal of the United States, and though unbeknownst by most to this day, one of the first flags chosen to represent the 1776 Revolution by founding elite revolutionaries is the ‘Grand Union’ flag which is identical  to that of the multi-national corporation, the British East India Company.     

‘The famed “Grand Union” flag hoisted near Washington’s headquarters at Cambridge on 1 January 1776 turned out to be exactly the same as the flag that the East India Company had used ... on the other side of the world ... since 1701. The design is essentially a red ensign (minus, of course, the X of St. Patrick at that time) with the red field divided into 13 red-and-white stripes: the same pattern as the later U.S. flag, once the canton changed to “a new constellation.”’

US Grand Union/British East India Company Flag (1776) - Modern United States Flag (2010)

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Speaking of multi-national corporations, people here may wish to recall the US produced 1976 Cold War era movie ‘Network’ and the little talk Mr. Jansen felt compelled to give Mr Beale about the reality of things when Beale had started to get a bit out of hand…

You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples…There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today….What do you think the Russians talk about in their Councils of State? Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, mini-max solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do…

...And our children will live, Mr Beale, to see that ... perfect ... world in which there is no war nor famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company for whom all men will work to serve a common profit. In which all men will hold a share of stock.  All necessities provided. All anxieties tranquilized. All boredom amused.

‘You have meddled with the primary forces of nature, Mr Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear?

You think you merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tide and gravity. It is ecological balance.

You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no Third Worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems. One vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-varied, multi-national dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rands, rubles, pounds and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic, and sub-atomic and galactic structure of things today.

And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature. And you will atone.

Am I getting through to you, Mr Beale?

You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.

What do you think the Russians talk about in their Councils of State? Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, mini-max solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bye-laws of of business. The world is a business, Mr Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime.

And our children will live, Mr Beale, to see that ... perfect ... world in which there is no war nor famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company for whom all men will work to serve a common profit. In which all men will hold a share of stock.

All necessities provided. All anxieties tranquilized. All boredom amused.’

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Posted by Alex on Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:37 | #

When it’s addressed at all, that the choice of flags happened to be identical to the British East Company, it is explained as being ‘a most remarkable coincidence’...which is sad to say, rather doubtful.


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Posted by Gudmund on Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:10 | #

England, US, France, Russia have all had constitutional/democratic revolutions and all have the tricolor flags now.  Coincidence? 

What’s in a flag?


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Posted by Andrew on Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:07 | #

I would have a different interpretation – primarily for the moment, - Let’s see.
The last I heard , “  G B “ is in debt , or use another terminology ; Looted by egalitarianism to the sum of 65 % of G D P – and that is in debt to the Gross National Product – Government debt- and not enterprise;
And now let’s look at U S A; simple, 12, near on 13 Trillion dollars debt – But that is National- lets add the state’s debt to the equation-; and what do you theorise now to be the correct answer?

So what do you think the flag will look like in a mere few years?
It wil not make any difference ; A colloquial terminology ; We are Fucked.

Utopia was more appealing than reality .


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Posted by the Narrator... on Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:08 | #

The East India Company was, I believe, founded and financed by jews.

It was a global empire modeled on business with a merchant class as its rulers and aristocracy.

In that, it was indeed the forerunner of the United States.

It’s interesting that three things that always join company are jews, anti-monarchy and globalism.

Oliver Cromwell overthrew the monarchy and allowed the jews back into England, even as he was in the process of his bloody conquest of Ireland and Scotland.

Napoleon followed the overthrow of the monarchy and gave the jews citizenship in France, even as he was in the midst of conquering Europe.

Colonists in America (led by the merchant class) overthrew their king and firmly established the nation-as-an-international-corporation  model. Oh, and not surprisingly the jews were given equal status.

Here is an excerpt from a letter George Washington sent to a Hebrew congregation in Newport Rode Island.

The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support ... May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants—while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”

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From the above (and other things I’ve read) I’ve come to the conclusion that the Founding Fathers of America were either the dumbest group of men who ever lived in a single place and time or they were simply the most dishonest.


The following is a letter Karl Marx sent to Abraham Lincoln congratulating him on reelection and reminding him that America is linked to the progress of Marxist ideology,

Sir:

We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority. If resistance to the Slave Power was the reserved watchword of your first election, the triumphant war cry of your re-election is Death to Slavery.

From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class. The contest for the territories which opened the dire epopee, was it not to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the emigrant or prostituted by the tramp of the slave driver?

When an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders dared to inscribe, for the first time in the annals of the world, “slavery” on the banner of Armed Revolt, when on the very spots where hardly a century ago the idea of one great Democratic Republic had first sprung up, whence the first Declaration of the Rights of Man was issued, and the first impulse given to the European revolution of the eighteenth century; when on those very spots counterrevolution, with systematic thoroughness, gloried in rescinding “the ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old constitution”, and maintained slavery to be “a beneficent institution”, indeed, the old solution of the great problem of “the relation of capital to labor”, and cynically proclaimed property in man “the cornerstone of the new edifice” — then the working classes of Europe understood at once, even before the fanatic partisanship of the upper classes for the Confederate gentry had given its dismal warning, that the slaveholders’ rebellion was to sound the tocsin for a general holy crusade of property against labor, and that for the men of labor, with their hopes for the future, even their past conquests were at stake in that tremendous conflict on the other side of the Atlantic. Everywhere they bore therefore patiently the hardships imposed upon them by the cotton crisis, opposed enthusiastically the proslavery intervention of their betters — and, from most parts of Europe, contributed their quota of blood to the good cause.

While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.

The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.

Signed on behalf of the International Workingmen’s Association, the Central Council:

Longmaid, Worley, Whitlock, Fox, Blackmore, Hartwell, Pidgeon, Lucraft, Weston, Dell, Nieass, Shaw, Lake, Buckley, Osbourne, Howell, Carter, Wheeler, Stainsby, Morgan, Grossmith, Dick, Denoual, Jourdain, Morrissot, Leroux, Bordage, Bocquet, Talandier, Dupont, L.Wolff, Aldovrandi, Lama, Solustri, Nusperli, Eccarius, Wolff, Lessner, Pfander, Lochner, Kaub, Bolleter, Rybczinski, Hansen, Schantzenbach, Smales, Cornelius, Petersen, Otto, Bagnagatti, Setacci;

George Odger, President of the Council; P.V. Lubez, Corresponding Secretary for France; Karl Marx, Corresponding Secretary for Germany; G.P. Fontana, Corresponding Secretary for Italy; J.E. Holtorp, Corresponding Secretary for Poland; H.F. Jung, Corresponding Secretary for Switzerland; William R. Cremer, Honorary General Secretary.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

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Here is the reply to that letter from Marx by the American ambassador (who was the grandson of Founding Father John Adams,

I am directed to inform you that the address of the Central Council of your Association, which was duly transmitted through this Legation to the President of the United [States], has been received by him.

So far as the sentiments expressed by it are personal, they are accepted by him with a sincere and anxious desire that he may be able to prove himself not unworthy of the confidence which has been recently extended to him by his fellow citizens and by so many of the friends of humanity and progress throughout the world.

The Government of the United States has a clear consciousness that its policy neither is nor could be reactionary, but at the same time it adheres to the course which it adopted at the beginning, of abstaining everywhere from propagandism and unlawful intervention. It strives to do equal and exact justice to all states and to all men and it relies upon the beneficial results of that effort for support at home and for respect and good will throughout the world.

Nations do not exist for themselves alone, but to promote the welfare and happiness of mankind by benevolent intercourse and example. It is in this relation that the United States regard their cause in the present conflict with slavery, maintaining insurgence as the cause of human nature, and they derive new encouragements to persevere from the testimony of the workingmen of Europe that the national attitude is favored with their enlightened approval and earnest sympathies.

I have the honor to be, sir, your obedient servant,

Charles Francis Adams

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Posted by n/a on Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:47 | #

“Thanks for the commentary, n/a, but besides the former editor of the French magazine Le Monde, the just retired from office Prime Minister of Belgium Guy Verhofstadt also quotes Washington as saying this”

You’re utterly fucking incompetent. There is no room for discussion.

“When it’s addressed at all, that the choice of flags happened to be identical to the British East Company, it is explained as being ‘a most remarkable coincidence’...which is sad to say, rather doubtful.”

The History and Significance of the American Flag (1917): The design of this Continental flag was not original. It was a familiar sight to the colonists as early as 1704 to see ships of the English East India Co. displaying flags with thirteen red and white stripes, with the Cross of St. George in the Canton. In the early part of the Revolution American vessels displayed a flag composed of thirteen horizontal alternate red and white stripes alone, which was an exact copy of a signal used in the British fleet.

Your implied conspiracy theory makes absolutely no sense, for reasons you would understand if you had the faintest grasp of American history. 


Narrator,

“The East India Company was, I believe, founded and financed by jews. “

No. You may be thinking of the Dutch West Indian Company, which also wasn’t founded by Jews but which had major Sephardic shareholders.


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Posted by PW on Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:31 | #

The British East India Company, along with the Dutch East India Company too, was run/managed and masterminded mostly by imperialistic Jews.


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Posted by Alex on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:57 | #

Not that anyone here has insinuated it, but that choice of flag certainly shouldn’t be construed as meaning the British East India Company ‘owned’ the US or some such.  One thing about the choice of flag though that it does indicate, and it’s not a pleasant thought, is that a good number of the founder elite revolutionaries were rather of a, shall we say, commerce orientated nature.  It would be about the same difference if today a group of revolutionaries were to choose as their representative flag that of IBM or Bechtel Corp.


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Posted by n/a on Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:57 | #

“Oliver Cromwell overthrew the monarchy and allowed the jews back into England”

Basic facts concerning Oliver Cromwell and the resettlement of Jews in England

“The British East India Company, along with the Dutch East India Company too, was run/managed and masterminded mostly by imperialistic Jews. “

No.


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Posted by Troy on Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:08 | #

There is a PBS series called “The American Revolution” that shows the evolution of the flag throughout the movie.
It is a 6 part series.

They start out flying the East India Trading Company flag at the beginning.  This tea party was not tea, in fact it was opium and hashish in boxes labeled as tea.  There is a part in the movie where they say that one man was stuffing tea in his pockets and was caught. he was stripped down and thrown in the water naked.  The man was either a crazy tea fanatic or it was in fact opium and hashish.  The East India tarding company was (IS) the world’s largest drug cartel.

George Washington is also shown with his personal flag.  It is the blue square with the 13 stars on it, somewhat like above.
Shown Here:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us-washi.html

The flag then changes as they remove the union jack and replace it with a blue square containing a circle of 13 stars.
Shown Here:
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2010/02/east-india-company-stars-and-stripes.html

The flag then changes again with the removal of the round 13 stars being replaced with George Washington’s personal flag.  From there is morphs into the stars representing the number of states.

This was a war of the Nobility.  George Washington raised a private army under his personal flag, all according to the Law of Arms.  If you read about the fall of the roman empire, their laws died with its demise.  These laws were in fact revived by the French which is where the civil law comes from.  The just dropped the Roman part.

This was a war to usurp God’s protection of the people. with Roman Civil law backed by the Nobility of France and Poland.
If you want to learn about God’s Armour for his people it is in the bible.  You then must read about Heraldry, titles and the law of Arms.  The right to bear arms was not about guns.  It is about re-siding under the protection of Christ, The living Christ today is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.  She is from the bloodline of King David, just like Jesus was, and is anointed in the coronation ceremony.  Christ means “the anointed one”.  All honour flows from the sovereign as the fount of honuor.

Most have crossed over to the dark side when the accepted the SIN or SSN offered as a public benefit privilege.

I’m going to leave the remedy for you to find.  L.G. Pine wrote some great books on this topic.  Then search out the Herald authorities and go from there.

Best of luck.


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Posted by William Ryan Kus on Mon, 07 May 2012 08:37 | #

Thanks for the info.  The Kus family has diagonal red and white stripes in their heraldric symbol and I have been trying to research the significance of it.


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Posted by boutros on Wed, 27 Nov 2013 03:25 | #

My understand is the BEIC was at the time of the revolution run by Jesuits, who made a ‘deal’ with the founders to provide assistance against the hated Protestants… Without such assistance, to include the French (also a Jesuit stronghold), the war could not likely have been fought.



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