Strange Alliance: Christian/Jewish Zionists.

Posted by Matt Nuenke on Saturday, 17 February 2007 15:30.

When debating the existence of God, philosophers point to two major problems: unnecessary evil in the world and non-belief (See T.M. Drange’s Nonbelief & Evil, 1998). One strong component of many religions then is to find ways to prove that God exists, and especially reassuring are miracles and prophecies.

In The Politics of Apocalypse: The History and Influence of Christian Zionism by Dan Cohan-Sherbok, 2006, he traces the long history of Christian Zionists attempts’ to use biblical prophecy to show that God exists, that God plays an active role in the unfolding of the future, and being saved before “Armageddon arrives,” which is right around the corner, should be the main concern for Christians. Until recently I have always considered such ideas belonging to a small number of religious literalists, but they have far more influence than I was aware of before—and outside their group I would assume others are also quite unaware of their influence.

Cohan-Sherbok notes, “Similarly, President Jimmy Carter acknowledged his pro-Zionist beliefs, as did Ronald Reagan. By 1981, he had read Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth and other books about Armageddon. As governor of California, he discussed these convictions with a colleague, James Mills. Based on Ezekiel 38, he insisted that Israel would soon come under attack from ungodly nations…. In the 1980s with the election of Ronald Reagan, Lindsey along with leading evangelists such as Jerry Falwell and the Christian televangelist Mike Evans were included in White House Seminars…. As a result, Christian Zionism has become a major force in American social and political life. As a consequence, some of the largest and most influential Christian Zionist organizations have redefined their message to that of blessing Israel and have set up headquarters in Jerusalem. Today there are over 250 pro-Israeli evangelical organizations in America. Thus, contemporary Christian Zionism has become a central factor in the West’s support of the Jewish state.”

Some time after 9/11, I noticed that the Neocons were promoting family values and Christianity, even siding on the side of Evangelicals when it came to denouncing the validity of evolution. Knowing that the Neocons are extremely bright, have a full understanding of evolution, and for the most part are secularists and atheists, they must find the Christian Zionists extremely useful.

Cohan-Sherbok notes, “Christian Zionist organizations and the pro-Israel lobby are among the special interest groups whose concerns have converged since Bush was first elected president. These interest groups include the right wing of the Republican Party; neo-Conservatives; multinational construction firms, the petroleum industry and the arms industry; the pro-Israel lobby and think tanks; and fundamentalist Christian Zionists.”

He goes on to note however that things may be changing: “Yet, the Christian community is divided as to whether Christian Zionism is true to the teaching of the Church. In the Christian world, those who are offering support for the Jewish state are being delegitimized and demonized by a growing chorus of critics. Frequently, they are accused of blocking the way to peace in the Middle East, or of having some end-time agenda that seeks to hasten the Apocalypse.”

So the Neocons want war in the Middle East to protect Israel, and the Christian Zionists want wars leading to Armageddon and the return of Christ. I just want war to help cull the human masses from down under and overthrow liberalism.

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Posted by ES on Sat, 17 Feb 2007 15:51 | #

The Zionist role in creating the Scoffield Bible and popularizing it is well documented.

In effect, Scoffield Bible makes “Christians” worship Jews and Israel, and makes them more Jewish Nationalist than Zionist Jews themselves.

The 40-60 million Christian Zionists are the real reason why WASP America is lost, and why the Jews are bold enough to start wars in everyone’s face nowadays. In effect, Amerikwa does not have 180 milliion gentile whites, but:

Team WN
—————
~1m WNs
130m white gentiles, currently lemmings but may wake up

versus

Team Zionism
——————
8m Jews
40m gentile white Christian Zionists (who would oppose WNs in a manner more fanatical manner than Abe Foxman)
120m non-whites (who tend to instinctively oppose WNs)


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Posted by Lurking for a while on Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:48 | #

Out of curisoity, Mr. Nuenke, you don’t consider yourself to be Christian, do you? I always thought you were an atheist :o


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Posted by ben tillman on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:11 | #

“The Zionist role in creating the Scofield Bible and popularizing it is well documented.”

Not well enough.  What have I overlooked?


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Posted by ben tillman on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:16 | #

In the 1980s with the election of Ronald Reagan, Lindsey along with leading evangelists such as Jerry Falwell and the Christian televangelist Mike Evans were included in White House Seminars….

Mike Evans is Jewish:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,945786-1,00.html

“Professing amazement at the opposition B’nai Yeshua has aroused from Long Island Jews and Establishment Protestants, Evans says: ‘We are just a bunch of young Jewish kids.’ Evans, who was given a weak religious upbringing by his Jewish mother, ran a Texas Bible camp until he felt God tell him that a great revival was coming in the New York City area.”

http://www.c4israel.org/articles/Summer2006/html/The fuel that moves.html

“Mike Evans, who had a Jewish mother and a Gentile father, is the founder of the Corrie ten Boom Foundation and Chairman of the Board of Corrie ten Boom House in Haarlem, Holland. He also founded the Jerusalem Prayer Team, to which more than 100 organizations and 300 of America’s top leaders such as Rev. Joel Osteen, Dr. Jack Hayford, Mrs. Anne Graham-Lotz, Dr. Tim LaHaye, Dr. Pat Robertson, Dr. John Hagee, Ms. Kay Arthur and Mr. Pat Boone have lent their support.”


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Posted by Al Ross on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:39 | #

Ben, this link may be of assistance. The folks on this website appear to be employing, at least on this topic, cerebral thinking, rather than the usual glandular type often encountered among Christians.

  http://christianparty.net/scofield.htm


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Posted by Jay on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:59 | #

Christian Zionists aren’t evenly spread across the white American population.  They are almost all protestants.  Most of them are southerners.  Most of the rest are in “middle america.”  Few whites of latin or slavic ancestory are among them.  Christian Zionism seems to be on the rise.  I think it would be fair to say that most southern whites are influenced by it to one degree or another.  This is a big problem for WN. 

One thing that has always bothered me about white nationalism is the presence of a large number of Southerners who see themsleves as a distinct group apart from other America whites.  Many of them are confused about weather they want a white America, an independant south or just to put the blacks back in their place.  They often have a strong, naive devotion to conservatism, the Republican party and the Rush Limbaugh/Fox news type right wing media.  Their thoughts and vocabulary are often heavily influenced by said right wing media.  Many of them are philosemitic, but also hate “yankees” and blame every bad thing on non-southern white Americans.  A lot of them express joy when blacks in the north kill and rape whites, saying things like “serve those liberal yankee democrats right.”

When I used to post on stormfront, I often argued with these types, but no one else would help me out, so I gave up.


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Posted by Bud White on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 02:32 | #

“Some time after 9/11, I noticed that the Neocons were promoting family values and Christianity, even siding on the side of Evangelicals when it came to denouncing the validity of evolution.”

An amazing turn of attitudes isn’t it? I distinctly remember Neo-Con, William Crystal,  going ballistic on the Fox News Channel in 2000 when GW Bush - then candidate- pronounced Jesus Christ to be his favorite philosopher. Crystal shrieked GWB was unqualified to be the president for the simple reason he will allow his religion to have undue influence in decisions that affect non-Christians (meaning Jews of course). Once Crystal, and the rest of the Neo-Cons realized Bush could be easily manipulated into advancing their pro-Zionist agenda, then all of a sudden they all praised him for what a great leader he is!


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Posted by Bud White on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:12 | #

Correction:

I meant Willian Kristol, not William Crystal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kristol


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Posted by wintermute on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:39 | #

I just want war to help cull the human masses from down under and overthrow liberalism.

I am sorry to report, Mr. Nuenke, that your wished-for conflict lies behind us rather than ahead. The forces of final and systemic dehumanization were offered limitless material assistance by the United States and Britian, and very nearly subsumed the totality of Europe when a single, heroic nation halted their advance, at the cost of its own life.

I will say, in the memory of this brave people, that a greater race has never walked this earth. Was it Oscar Wilde who said that we are judged by the caliber of our enemies? Whoever said it, it remains true.

Between Christian “Zionism”, actual Zionism, actual Christianity, philosemitism, racial nihilism, feminism, the “Frankfurt School”, Islam, and a possible re-emergence of Communism from Latin America - or even a re-imposition by China - Jewish fairy tales of one kind or another lay claim to the souls of at least half the human race at any given time, and at any given time threaten to devour what remains.

A war, or series of wars, againt a single Jewish ideology - or caused by one: Communism, Islam, Christianity - can cost millions or tens of millions of human lives. The upcoming wars caused by “that shitty little country” seem as if they might kill billions.

Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other. I fear our foolish people may not be capable - perhaps even constitutionally - of learning the simplest of lessons even in the most perilous of times.


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Posted by ES on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:33 | #

So the Neocons want war in the Middle East to protect Israel, and the Christian Zionists want wars leading to Armageddon and the return of Christ. I just want war to help cull the human masses from down under and overthrow liberalism.

My two cents.

The Christian Zionists are very directed by organized Jewry. Any wars they fight are for Jewish interests only. If Nuenke wants slaves to fight wars for his interests, he’ll have to recruit his own wind-up dopes. 

An antidote is urgently needed, because they’re very aggressively multiplying this ideology worldwide, on every continent.


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Posted by Søren Renner on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:49 | #

“Out of curisoity, Mr. Nuenke, you don’t consider yourself to be Christian, do you? I always thought you were an atheist.”

Matt Nuenke is not a Christian.


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Posted by Stanley Womack on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:00 | #

How is it that anyone gives credibility to a book by someone named Dan Cohan-Sherbok?

If you wonder why we are so willing to accept hateful interpretations of ourselves and our kin, consider accepting a book named “The Politics of Apocalypse: The History and Influence of Christian Zionism” by someone named Dan Cohan-Sherbok.

The only use to which we should put this book is to deconstruct it for its anti-Christian, anti-Euroman biases.

Wake up, anybody?


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Posted by Reiv on Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:23 | #

“So the Neocons want war in the Middle East to protect Israel, and the Christian Zionists want wars leading to Armageddon and the return of Christ. I just want war to help cull the human masses from down under and overthrow liberalism. “

The Neocons are heirs to the success of those who have diligently undermined education to the point that it is possible for something like Christian Zionism to exist at all.  The neocons are the cannon fodder of liberalism, and should not be mistaken as its source.  This culling you want, Sir, is merely a different culling from the one they want.  I hope we can have things your way.

Reiv



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