Useful idiots do the work of enemies: Ramzpaul & Styx comment on “hippies” & “revolution fatigue”

Posted by DanielS on Sunday, 09 August 2020 06:55.

Superchat question (52:40): “I wonder at what point we have to choose to either digest these people in our society, as the hippies were in the ‘70’s, or to understand that their culture and mores are indigestible and must be cast out of our society.”

Styx (53:01) “You mean the far leftists? Well, they’re already being…

Ramzpaul (53:38): “And your point about the hippies is good, because, I did a video about this (”Revolution Fatigue”), why you have to catch the momentum…I think the left, these radicals, they think they’re going to have a revolution like its 1917 Russia or its The French Revolution..or they think they’re in Weimar Germany and they’re fighting the Nazis. But see, that type of thing, there’s a lot of differences and you need to really make it happen pretty quick. Whereas I remember, I don’t remember, but I read about the late 60’s, early 70’s, there was like The Weather Underground, they thought they were going to topple the United States and have a revolution. But by the time that I got to university in 1981, they were already considered very dated…people who had that mindset were considered old.

DanielS:

Your understanding of “hippies” is idiotic. The Weather Underground were not hippies. The hippies were not Marxists in their essential motive; in fact, they were notoriously frustrating to Marxist revolutionaries. It matters, because the adversaries of Whites love to blame hippies; it is a way to blame White men as opposed to the culpability of liberal/Marxist programs spearheaded by Jewry; and because they wish to turn White right wing dolts against their own people, while burying an understanding of the profundity of the hippie motive for White men: a fundamental and profoundly important motive on behalf of White male Being / (Dasein/MidtDasein for White men especially) as opposed to their being considered so intrinsically valueless as to have to go to war in Vietnam, exploited for the custom, habit and tradition of their gender role as obligated to war - even in this case, where there was no clear and immanent danger to them and their people; where there could have been other means of dealing with Vietnam rather than conventional war).

A White ethnonational left would not be in “revolutionary” mode where the interests of our union - a union of our people - are being served by those in power. If they are not, i.e., if our interests are not served, then we would seek revolutionary transformation so that the union of our European peoples are secured. This is a big difference between a White ethnonational left and the Marxist, internationalist left. When our ethnonationalist union is secured, we are no longer in revolutionary, transformative mode, but are, rather, elaborative and self corrective.

Note that the hippie epoch lost all impetus once the Vietnam draft was over….

The grievance that caused “the hippie union” “to strike” against the powers and ways that be had been “settled.”

The Beatles, “Revolution” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLGzRXY5Bw

Ramzpaul and Sytx are weird and annoying in their very insistence upon normalizing Jewish discourse.

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For the sake of invoking a provocative perspective, I would like to momentarily change the pronoun in the anti-war song, “Walking in Space”, from “how dare THEY try to end this beauty, to how dare SHE try to end this beauty…

How dare she try, to end this beauty…

Right wing women who go along with the Jewish cover-up -

- ignoring the underlying motive of the hippies and wanting to blame them instead for having created “our problems”, suggesting that men should man-up in universal maturity, rather than manning-up to create group boundaries (e.g., by unionization process), or manning-up where our people’s boundaries are violated (as opposed to the other side of the world, in Vietnam, nowhere near our people’s boundaries, or where Jewish/Israeli boundaries are threatened)

- are particularly annoying…

I also interpose the pronoun change to suggest that this valuation of impervious confidence to the sacrifice of intellectual, critical apprehension of the power’s directives is a tendency in female predilection, and that the hippie movement was a (un-articulated intellectual/political) White male motive by balancing contrast to female valuation, e.g. of sheer confidence.

This also suggests a “foundational” reason as to why intrinsic value should be attributed to White males, for their perspective, as its predilections can, if anything, be better than female predilections; but in any event, provide a necessary systemic corrective in balancing the human ecology of European peoples.

Again, this momentary pronoun change is provocative. Of course women aren’t to blame for men getting sent to Vietnam to kill and die. However, traditional gender roles could have destructive consequences for men as well (second wave feminism kicking off in the 60’s as well), when hidebound, “foundationally” inflexible to the natural emergence and interactive development of White masculinity and its requirements (in praxis).


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Posted by DanielS on Sun, 09 Aug 2020 08:34 | #

For the sake of invoking a provocative perspective, I would like to momentarily change the pronoun in the anti-war song, “Walking in Space”, from “how dare THEY try to end this beauty, to how dare SHE try to end this beauty…

...How dare she try, to end this beauty… right wing women who go along with the Jewish cover-up - ignoring the underlying motive of the hippies and wanting to blame them instead for having created “our problems”, suggesting that men should man-up in universal maturity, rather than manning-up to create group boundaries (e.g., by unionization process), or manning-up where our people’s boundaries are violated (as opposed to the other side of the world, in Vietnam, nowhere near our people’s boundaries, of where Jewish/Israeli boundaries are threatened) - are particularly annoying…

I also interpose the pronoun change to suggest that this valuation of impervious confidence to the sacrifice of intellectual, critical apprehension of the power’s directives is a tendency in female predilection, and that the hippie movement was a (un-articulated intellectual/political) White male motive by balancing contrast to female valuation, e.g. of sheer confidence.

This also suggests a “foundational” reason as to why intrinsic value should be attributed to White males, for their perspective, as its predilections can, if anything, be better than female predilections; but in any event, provide a necessary systemic corrective in balancing the human ecology of European peoples.

Again, this momentary pronoun change is provocative. Of course women are not to blame for men getting sent to Vietnam to kill and die. However, traditional gender roles could have destructive consequences for men as well (second wave feminism kicking off in the 60’s as well), when hidebound, “foundationally” inflexible to the natural emergence and interactive development of White masculinity and its requirements (in praxis).


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Posted by mancinblack on Sun, 09 Aug 2020 14:19 | #

Hippies had a real problem with time management but on the plus side, they were close to, if not 100% white. They were tribal with strong in-group out-group preferences. Not so much anti-capitalist as suspicious of ‘bread heads’. They were certainly against corporate exploitation, an attitude which gave birth to a myriad of independent record labels, which in turn gave musicians greater artistic freedom than they’ve had since the money men took over. They also created the underground press which was the only media you could turn to in order to learn of the things the government didn’t want you to know about. Above all, yes, they were anti-war and wanted a more peaceful world with fewer body bags in it.

Ramzpaul didn’t get to university until 1981 ? what happened, did he keep failing ? he looks pretty old or is he just back dated ?


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Posted by DanielS on Sun, 09 Aug 2020 14:46 | #

Maybe Ramzpaul seems older than 57 because he’s a bit square, but I believe that he was born in 1963, just a couple years after me; so going to college in 1981 would have been normal for him; but he didn’t have the experience of being a child immersed in older siblings hippie parties, hangouts at the park and so on, as I had, giving me a child’s fresh perspective on that epoch, and a need to know what there was about it that I yearned for; and why I had been so offended when people would try to associate it with Marxism, Civil Rights activism for blacks, black power, feminism, or even free love - all Jewish affectations to the essential motive of the hippie movement - which was organic being and being amidst our people, particularly respecting intrinsic value of White males - as being worth more than functional pawns for wars brokered by those irresponsible in power, through mere tradition, custom and habit. 

A rebellion in organic motive which, if articulated and politicized, would not mandate pacifism if that organic praxis were threatened, if it were in clear and immanent danger. The problem was that it was not articulated and politicized and it got buried by Jewish academics and mostly by its media portrayals of those other things - Marxism, Cultural Marxism, “Civil Rights”, Feminism, Free Love ...and the Individual Human Potential Movement of Self Actualization (as liberated from totalitarian collectivism - whether Soviet or Nazi, ‘the authoritarian personality” ...which overcompensated in liberalism from the structuring of social classificatory bounds necessary for socialization) as the paragon of what America, land of opportunity, had to offer its citizens and the world….


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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 10 Aug 2020 05:10 | #

Hey mancinblack, I’d like to probe a few remarks of yours…

You say

“Hippies had a real problem with time management”

If you are Not talking about the incident that Ramzpaul discusses, I’d like for you to explain what you mean (could be interesting, but I don’t get it).

Regarding the incident that Ramzpaul discusses. I don’t believe that the people who Ramzpaul referred to as “hippies”, who had come to his Colorado University campus in 1981, can accurately be called “hippies.” ... I suspect that they were Jewish, i.e. “Yippies”, either in part or in guidance, if they were advocating for Marxist guerrillas in Central America; as such, they were not representing the essence of the hippie movement and should not be called hippies.

It is important, because to call them hippies not only blames Whites for radical Jewish activism, but even more importantly, obfuscates the profound, underlying motive of the hippies for White interests.

Which brings me to my next point, which is an important distinction to be made, where you say:

Above all, yes, they were anti-war and wanted a more peaceful world with fewer body bags in it.

Anti-war was not above all what the hippies’ motivation was about.

They were about organic being (Dasein) and being amidst their people (MidtDasein), especially for White men.

Which means being against the mere tradition and habit of sending boys off to war, even if there was no clear and immanent danger to his people (midtdasein), and something profoundly new, respecting his intrinsic value (his Being) enough, to not send him to war otherwise.

This motive and project Dasein/MidtDasein - registering the intrinsic value of White men and their people - remains as centrally relevant as ever - more so, because it has been obfuscated by Jewish press and academia.

It is lost on near everyone, the hippies themselves didn’t articulate it, but as the American boys were up against their ownmost-being-toward-death with the draft, their situation provides a clearer path to understand the motive, Dasein/MidtDasein.

It is understandable thus, why this profundity is not as clear to Europeans, such as yourself, who were Not confronted with ownmost being toward death for existentially irresponsible reasons, as the Americans were.

They may have generally wanted a more peaceful world, but if your being and the people that you depend upon are threatened, you will fight.

It is very important that Hippies not be associated with absolute pacifism, because that will play into our enemies hands of continued misrepresentation of their motives and continued obfuscation of this profundity, which is after all, what we’re about, fighting for our right to exist and (authentically) thrive - even White men.

The stereotypes play into the hands of obnoxious right wing men and women…

And as such, the last thing that we want to be associated with given what young White guys are being subject to, is an absolute valuation of peace and free love.


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Posted by mancinblack on Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:21 | #

Hippies didn’t want to be constrained by time, which was a significant part of what it meant to be ‘free’. Their counter culture didn’t want to be governed by the clock, as was the mainstream culture. Given their enthusiasm for such things as psychedelics it’s as well their concept of time was a little more elastic. Students and nine to fivers were not genuine hippies but, rather, young people attracted to various aspects of the counter culture. Hippies often referred to them as ‘weekenders’.

Anti-war ? if America had stayed out of the war in Vietnam, would the hippie movement, as we knew it, have come into existence? would it even have been a happening without the draft ? being anti-war is the only rational position to take but wanting a more peaceful world with fewer body bags isn’t pacifism. If the Right want to argue with this, just remind them of two of their favourite slogans “No More Brother Wars” and “No Wars for Israel” . You see, they are already running out of people to fight.


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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:50 | #

It makes sense that organic time is different than social time, and social time cannot be put off indefinitely, but must be harmonized, as the group’s time requirements, while they can be overly regimented to the oblivious destruction of organic being, have a necessary rigor and systemic, organic dimension of their own.

Anti-war ? if America had stayed out of the war in Vietnam, would the hippie movement, as we knew it, have come into existence?

Not likely.

would it even have been a happening without the draft ?

Again, No.

being anti-war is the only rational position to take but wanting a more peaceful world with fewer body bags isn’t pacifism.

Yes. They were anti-THAT war, THAT KIND of war (where there was no immanent threat to their dasein and midtdasein) and appalled by the DRAFT for it, which was unwarranted.

If the Right want to argue with this, just remind them of two of their favourite slogans “No More Brother Wars” and “No Wars for Israel” . You see, they are already running out of people to fight.

...indeed, running out of the wrong people, and the wrong reason to fight, as Right wingers are wont to do, in their misguided reactions.


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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 06:15 | #

It only seems trivial nit picking to take issue on the matter of hippies because Jewish interests have done their best to obfuscate the issue.

Blaming hippies is not only a way for our adversaries to blame White men, but also a way to cover up the profundity of their motive (Dasein/MidtDasein for White men esp), obfuscating it and trivializing them by attributing naive association with what were actually Jewish spearheaded and promoted movements: free love, black civil rights, black power and Marxism.


To the post I am adding the part in bold in order to clarify:

Your understanding of “hippies” is idiotic. The Weather Underground were not hippies. The hippies were not Marxists in their essential motive; in fact, they were notoriously frustrating to Marxist revolutionaries. It matters, because the adversaries of Whites love to blame hippies; it is a way to blame White men as opposed to the culpability of liberal/Marxist programs spearheaded by Jewry; and because they wish to turn White right wing dolts against their own people, while burying an understanding of the profundity of the hippie motive for White men: a fundamental and profoundly important motive on behalf of White male being / (Dasein/MidtDasein for White men especially) as opposed to their being considered so intrinsically valueless as to have to go to war in Vietnam, exploited for the custom, habit and tradition of their gender role as obligated to war - even in this case, where there was no clear and immanent danger; where there could have been other means of dealing with Vietnam rather than conventional war).


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Posted by Ramzis on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 00:48 | #

In the name of fair play, since I’m/we’re ridiculing his take on “hippies”, Ramzpaul’s take on the Kamala Harris nomination by contrast, is pretty good.


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Posted by History of the death of communism. on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:19 | #

History of the Death of Communism.


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Posted by mancinblack on Sat, 15 Aug 2020 22:01 | #

I wonder if ‘Styx’ knows that in Greek mythology, Styx was a Titan goddess who gave her name to the river? Not that it matters I suppose, as we are all supposed to be ‘non-binary’ or something these days..


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Posted by Tricky Dick on Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:58 | #

A White ethnonational left would not be in “revolutionary” mode where the interests of our union - a union of our people - are being served by those in power. If they are not, i.e., if our interests are not served, then we would seek revolutionary transformation so that the union of our European peoples are secured. This is a big difference between a White ethnonational left and the Marxist, internationalist left. When our ethnonationalist union is secured, we are no longer in revolutionary, transformative mode, but are, rather, elaborative and self corrective.

I (DanielS) might add to the post (but don’t want to clutter up the head post):

Whereas the Marxist international left, is revolutionary in veritable perpetuity for its objective to overthrow nation state rule on behalf of the “utopia” of international, proletarian rule….and it is prepared to play the long game of revolution by definition, as a mere “withering away of the state” is conceived as the final stage of resistance overcome.

It is necessary to repeat that a White ethnonational left is not against private property nor free enterprise in addition to a great deal of individual liberty; with unequal outcomes beyond the basics, according to merit.

Those perfunctory remarks are necessitated in preparation for the strawman stereotypes that are going to be levied by the likes of Richard Spencer: in his recent podcast, he makes gratuitous remarks about “hippies”, invoking some stereotypical hippie practices as if we are proposing the institution of all aspects of hippie expression in all times and circumstance, rather than noting the motive at the bottom of Maslow’s hierarchy, so to speak - viz. Dasein/MidtDasein - manifesting a fundamental part of a full individual/societal process, and focused on necessarily; as it remains the important part of the process for White men to this day - but not the only part of a full socialization process. Don’t let Dick Spencer jive you with his asshole pandering.

In other words, calling attention to the hippie motive as one of attending to Being in process, is not a recommendation that all parts of the socialization process take on the trappings, or even focus, of the hippie epoch.

It was a cheap, Jewish thing, and a typically destructive, right wing reactionary thing, for Richard Spencer to say what he did.

 


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Posted by Stephen walking Still, triple entendre: on Thu, 20 Aug 2020 10:41 | #

He’s a walking still - triple entendre: 1) He’s still walking. 2) He’s walking but not moving 3) He’s a walking alcohol distillery.

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Posted by Useful Idiots on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:16 | #

Poor.  Sacha and Ramzpaul are normalizing the kosher framework and or response. Liberals. Now that the disaster of liberalism has shown itself, they try to walk it back with normalization—- sure, lets let pan mixia set in. Everything’s really ok, we just have to stop being so shrill.


Although Ramzpaul’s normalization strategy has its utility, it also has severe drawbacks.

By being so “un radical” he basically accepts the kosher framework and/or response to it; and now that his “normal” liberalism has yielded the disaster of panmixia from the Democrat side, he’s going to “normalize” it from the Republican side, let panmixia set in.

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“This Leftist racial politics (praxis) is really too extreme, we have to get beyond the whole ‘left - right thing” - Ramzpaul: useful idiot.



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