Guessing Thursday - the English and Welsh elements

Posted by calvin on May 02, 2007, 01:59 PM | #

“Detection rates” are up are they? Thank God I have been saved from fifteen year-old girls chalking on pavements and “homophobic” pensioners calling into talk radio. Ian Blair’s statistics on crime in the metropolis are about as convincing as Joseph Stalin’s five year plans for agricultural and industrial development.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 02, 2007, 02:37 PM | #

Calvin,

Why is Vox Celtica dormant?  Your voice should be heard.

Posted by gongstar on May 02, 2007, 07:36 PM | #

Our enemies (mentioning no names, fellow goyim) have always known that “Every little helps”. Every sneer at the BNP, every vibrant immigrant, every day lost has been another ching! on their bash-the-fash register. If the BNP had had even slightly positive coverage from the media, it would be doing far better. How many times have Socialist Workers Party members or similar appeared on Question Time, for example? Yet they represent no-one but themselves, while the BNP, never allowed to appear at all, are far closer to the majority than the One-Party-With-Three-Names.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 02, 2007, 08:46 PM | #

So it’s come to this.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 02, 2007, 09:20 PM | #

I clicked on GW’s link.  For one thing, I’m certain it’s nonsense:  there’s no way whatsoever real-estate values will slide on account of BNP success in an area.  That’s bull, I don’t care what fudged statistics they try to trot out.  It’s crap.  The other thing is, of course they’re going to come out with their lowest blows the eve of Election Day.  That’s standard operating procedure in politics.  In fact, the unusually low, sleazy nature of this particular piece of twaddle is actually a good sign:  resorting to low blows like this suggests they’re scared stiff of the BNP!  What a bunch of low-lives the Tories have become!  God damn rotten stinking sons-of-bitch bastard snob traitors to their country and race! 

“The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat the far-Right in the elections [...]” (—from the linked Daily Mail article)

I’ll just throw in that the BNP aren’t in any way, shape, or form “the far-Right.” The BNP are centrist, middle-of-the-road, neither right nor left.  They’re the party of the 1950s:  1950s values, 1950s policies, 1950s ideas, 1950s notions of normalness.  The Tories on the other hand are (together with Labour and the Lib Dems) all the way over, as far as it is possible to go, on the extreme radical leftist wacko looney-tunes froot-loop neo-Marxist splinter-fringe.

Posted by gongstar on May 02, 2007, 10:37 PM | #

This is worth a listen: a white liberal tries to get blacks to understand tricky white man’s concepts like morality and social responsibility. One of the blacks is the father of the leader of the gang who murdered Mary-Ann Leneghan:

“Why didn’t you use contraception if you didn’t want to father these children?”

“Listen, sweetheart, contraception doesn’t always work.”

Factual: Peckham’s Lost

Tuesday 1 May 2007 20:00-20:40 (Radio 4 FM)

Repeated: Sunday 6 May 2007 17:00-17:40 (Radio 4 FM)

Winifred Robinson investigates what more can be done to tackle the increasing violence seen on the streets of Peckham. She asks why youngsters get involved in gang culture and what happens to them as they grow older and take more risks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/pip/l7p2v/

Posted by Guessedworker on May 02, 2007, 11:42 PM | #

gongstar,

Thanks for the link.  Just finished listening to that.  Truly, there is no hope.  These creatures cannot redeem themselves because they cannot control themselves, or even understand that they should try.  It is another country.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 01:54 AM | #

On this eve of the British elections I’d like to send two pieces of encouragement to our brethren in the Mother Country:

As “Deke Slayton” said in the movie “Thirteen,” (the story of the Apollo Thirteen space flight around the moon) when they were trying to bring the stricken spaceship home with the crew alive, “Failure is not an option!” Failure to overthrow the forces of race-replacement is! not! an! option!. This is a battle we! have! to! win! Overthrowing them means halting and reversing race-replacement, with full restoration of the racial/ethnocultural status quo ante. [...] Until that war is won everything else, everything, is a mere quibble: Christianity, communism, capitalism, everything. First stop and reverse forced race-replacement.

Those bastards took from us our most precious possession next to our lives.  We’re going to take it back! But we can’t, unless you the good, ordinary folk of the Mother Country put those men in office who’ll see the job gets done, done right, and done humanely.  If you love your country, if you love your race, if you love the most precious inheritance bequeathed to you, you have to vote tomorrow for the BNP.  Don’t listen to others:  not one cares or will so much as lift a finger for Britain in this hour of its need. 

Britain loved you.  You hate it? It helped you.  You won’t help it? It made you.  You won’t preserve it?

As Tom Tancredo said at a November 2003 rally in LaCanada, California,

“But we have no other choice, do we?  No matter what it looks like, no matter how overwhelming.  [Long-time newsman-broadcaster] George Putnam must have thought a million times in the years he’s been [talking about this crisis], that this is overwhelming.  But he doesn’t stop, and you know why?  He can’t stop. There is no alternative to doing everything we can do. I don’t care what your lot in life is.  I don’t care what you’re doing or what your job is.  You have a role to play with your neighbors, with your friends, with letters to the editor, with ways you can influence your constituency.  I have the same role to play.  We all have to do it, no matter what it takes and no matter how challenging.”

Ages ago someone did his duty ... to you.  You won’t do it to your grandchildren’s grandchildren?  You’ll throw away an inheritance more precious than gold and silver and the hopes of a hundred generations?  Shame on you! If you shirk, will the grandsons of your grandsons know where to go when their time comes, and what to do?  Will they think back for help to their ancestors and will your link in the chain be broken?  Do not be the chain’s broken link or render meaningless your ancestry, or leave bereft your posterity. 

You must choose the BNP, the only party that wishes to bring about a return to ordinary normalness!

Posted by anon on May 03, 2007, 03:25 AM | #

Fred, I live in Britain.
I will not be voting BNP.  They aren’t standing in my area anyway.

It is ‘not’ time we did our duty, the time has already passed, 49% of London babies are born to foreign mothers, and that obviously doesn’t include 2nd-3rd generation immigrants and mixed races so the reality is English people are already set on the unstoppable path to minority status, as soon as they grow up.
Voting BNP isn’t going to change that basic fact. The only way to stop it would be a campaign of ethnic cleansing and there is no way anyone but a handful of nutters is going to support that.

Britain, and American were beaten when abortion was legalised which caused a dramatic aging of the population.  Old people are quiet peaceful and ‘wise’ having no appetite for a fight, a young population does fight for dominance as the Muslims do now.
The West is old tired and weak and will be taken over by something younger fresher and with a greater fighting spirit.

I while ago I read Guessedworker say he thought France and Canada wouldn’t survive (or may not, not sure the exact words) but that he thought England would get bad its bulldog spirit etc, well I really don’t understand how you come to think that. I see no evidence, far from it.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 03:55 AM | #

Anon is merely someone who has no problem with forced race-replacement of the English nation.  In his view voting for “racists” is worse than a policy of moratorium plus humane repatriation.  He says or implies the reason he’s against trying to do something now is it’s gone too far, so either is irreversible or impossible to reverse humanely.  But his kind — and this should be crystal-clear to everybody — would have had some other excuse for opposing remedial action back when things had gone only half as far, a quarter as far, a tenth as far as now.  They’d have said, “Why take corrective action for a problem that’s so minimal it poses no threat?” and “I oppose any attempt to repatriate folk who’ve come here to better their lives and have lived here a number of years, on grounds it’s cruel.” So this ilk opposes any remedy when one’s easy to implement and opposes any remedy when one’s hard to implement.  They oppose any remedy, period.  In other words, they want race-replacement.  That’s what one is dealing with here:  the crowd that wants race-replacement.  He says Britain and America were beaten when abortion was legalized but doesn’t explain why Japan wasn’t.  No one should be fooled:  this piece of excrement signing as Anon ardently wants race-replacement, adores it, silently rejoices that it’s in progress.  He’s so low he hasn’t even the honesty to come out and state that, but hides behind a façade of resignation before a fait accompli he would have opposed doing anything to thwart no matter at what stage of the process, early or late.  Words simply cannot describe what a piece of shit this individual is.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 03:59 AM | #

He’s a race-killer, a race-murderer, a race-replacer.  Just replying to him turns my stomach.  I’m getting up to go wash my hands, having soiled them typing a reply to this ordure.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 04:10 AM | #

In a just world this dreg, this filth, would be run out of Britain, sent packing, given 48 hours to gather his belongings then frog-marched onto the plane with a one-way ticket to anywhere-but-here in his pocket and it’s Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish!  Vile insect!  This germ, this infection, this uncleanness makes me vomit!

Posted by Top on May 03, 2007, 04:56 AM | #

Good answer Fred.

There is always that one ‘common sense’ voice in a discussion that tells us it’s not worth trying. Just let go they say - it’s over - for whatever reason.  It’s ‘too difficult’, it’s ‘too overwhelming’, ‘too personally challenging’, ‘the solutions are too complex’… they have a myriad of reasons why any effort to fight our race-replacement is useless. 

When you think about it though they can only be one of two things - a coward or a traitor.  What else can they be?  Notice they don’t say: ‘maybe we need to fall back and re-group’.  They don’t say: ‘X hasn’t worked, let’s try Y’.  Their idea is to just give up.  As if that is the noble thing to do.  That must kind of courage and conviction that western civilization was built on - right?!  I am sure all those people who died to secure European homelands would be so proud.

Anyway - they are wrong.  These type of people make the false assumption that just because there is a trend amongst the decadent intellectual elite towards something than it must be (a) irreversible and (b) good.  Europeans are ‘dying’, third worlders are ‘taking over’ - it must somehow be destiny.  Why resist?  And from that it becomes… it must be morally wrong to resist!  Only the ‘nutters’ resist!  That is always the (d)evolution of this sort of talk. 

The assumption in their thought pattern is that of a brainwashed prisoner whose only option becomes to hang themselves.  Why fight?  Life is too tough… the way of the cowards.  Is that healthy???  Is that morally right?

Maybe this person wants to die.  Let them!  Living is not for everyone.  Stop speaking for us though!  I for one would rather go down fighting than as a coward in a failed, decaying society. 

The logic is simple:
Our intellectual elite is corrupted and no longer speaks for us as a people.

Forced race-replacement is real and it is pushed by Euro-hating aliens and corrupted elements.

Race-raplaced Euro homelands are not some sort of moral destiny! 

It is not morally wrong to oppose forced race-replacement in principle!

and by extension:
It is not morally wrong to side against those who push the extermination of the Euro-race through forced race-replacement.

(Hitler, Nazis and all the other Euro-bashing psych weapons have nothing to do with the above points.)

Posted by Al Ross on May 03, 2007, 05:16 AM | #

Given the political will, Western nations (and not only Western ones) can repatriate huge numbers of Thirdworlders back home. Over the past 3 years about 6 million refugees have, according to the BBC, left their temporary places of residence and returned to Afghanistan.

If the UK population is, say 60 million and we can send home the same number as were sent back to Afghanistan, that would constitute a cause for celebration.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 01:38 PM | #

Wonderful comment, Top!  Al, completely right:  dozens of commentators have adequately explained how to manage a reasonable, humane repatriation program (see the link in my signature slogan, below, high-lit in red).  For one thing, if you end the financial inducements that make them want to stay, two-thirds will leave of their own accord (we’re talking about those legally here, of course.  Illegals should be summarily sent home).  As for the rest, how much money is Britain spending on the war in Iraq?  If this alone had been earmarked toward offering generous financial compensation to those willing to return home under such a deal, how big a chunk would have been taken out of the problem in one fell swoop over just the years since that damned war began?  There are all kinds of workable ways of approaching this.  No it can’t be accomplished overnight, but key is to finally make a start.

As for the white-hating pro-race-replacement fanatic signing as “anon,” he and those like him would’ve opposed doing anything about the problem before it became so huge, even as, now, they cite its hugeness (which they and their ilk brought about by thwarting timely intervention early on, when men such as Powell called for it) as proof of hopelessness.  Does anyone doubt anon would’ve accused men such as Enoch Powell (link below, in signature slogan high-lit in green) as being racists?

See the signature slogan below which is high-lit in blue:  does that remind anyone of anon?  You’re not fooling anyone, anon.  Go crawl back under your rock:  insects hate the sunlight, fresh air, and oxygen you’re being exposed to here.
______

- “All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.”—Enoch Powell

- Moratorium-plus-Repatriation!

- “The message we’re always given relative to 3rd-world-ization is, ‘Give up, surrender, your cause is hopeless,’ just like war propaganda.”—John Bolton

Posted by Wunderhund on May 03, 2007, 02:31 PM | #

I’ve been reading majority rights for the past two months.  Great site!

great comments by Fred Scrooby to Anon.  Right on!
I read Anon and I got the sense that he’s using the power of suggestion to affirm defeatism.  He reminds me of the ‘Borg’ in Star Trek:
“Surrender.  Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile....”
Yesterday I had a talk with one of the guys at the lumber yard when I went to pick up materials.  He had the same attitude as Anon. “It’s hopeless. Give up.  It’s the way of history. Adapt.  Make the most of it.” Then I had a talk with a student who was offended by my insistence upon Europe for Europeans.
I felt completely dejected after this.  What is wrong with these people?  Have we been so completely ‘politically corrected’ that we cannot feel instinctive outrage at this looming disaster?
It’s time to get mad.  A cold, hard silent anger that will forge a new sword of action.  Lead, follow, or get the f***k out of the way!

Posted by anon from above on May 03, 2007, 03:00 PM | #

No Fred you got me all wrong.
If I could choose the government today I would certainly select the most nationalist and patriotic group of people I couild find, who would put Britain first and redress the unfairness against England.

But:
* The BNP have no chance because they don’t stand in many areas.

* If you look at the children in London racereplacement has already happened, its not a question of stopping it from happening, it ‘has’ happened.

When we are the minority of the 15 to 45 age group (overall stats don’t matter) we wont be deporting anyone.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 03, 2007, 03:31 PM | #

Anon,

Try for one moment to hold in your mind the idea of revolutionary zeitgeists and the revolutionary elites they sustain.

We have two decades during which liberalism, which is the source and carrier of all our ills, will certainly continue to decay and, finally, collapse from within.  That is the time which is left to us to organise and fight politically.  After that, if liberalism and its elite is not replaced with a philosophy of European survivalism and with a political and cultural leadership that stands foursquare within it, we shall all enter a new and still more dangerous phase.

We do not want to get to that stage.  We want to win well before then, conclusively and peacefully but with a revolutionary finality.

The minorities are grist to our mill in this effort.  They are not in control of their future, as we are not currently in control of ours.  But some of us have a developing understanding of how we might assume that control, and that’s the vital difference.

Don’t give up yet.  Put your hope and effort in the right place.

Posted by anon from above on May 03, 2007, 04:02 PM | #

I agree Guessedworker, liberalism will collapse, not least because liberal people don’t have enough children. But I think it could take another 25-50 years and the country will be totally changed by then.

Posted by anon from above on May 03, 2007, 04:08 PM | #

Personally I think this has been a large part of the problem:

As women have had less children they have become overprotective of those they did have.
Peter Pan Syndrome:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070501112023.htm

Posted by Tommy G on May 03, 2007, 04:16 PM | #

“When we are the minority of the 15 to 45 age group (overall stats don’t matter) we wont be deporting anyone.”—anon from above

My two cents worth:

I think anon is facing the grime reality of our situation. Here, today, in the USA, we as whites are measurably worse off demographically then we were just one year ago. There are at least one million more illegal non-white invaders ( and their still pouring in by the tens of thousands per month) plus one million more non-white legal immigrants...and an amnesty Bill is close to becoming a reality.

Where are the positive trends?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 04:34 PM | #

Why don’t you move to Soweto right now, Tommy, instead of hanging around here boring everyone to death with your stupid defeatism?  Go away.  Leave the country.  Get out of here.  Put your money where your mouth is.  (And be sure not to come back after the rest of us will have gotten things sorted out with no help whatsoever from your sad defeated-before-you-even-start ilk ...)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 04:36 PM | #

Your “two cents worth” aren’t even worth two cents.  They’re worth zero, zip, nada.  Keep them to yourself; no one’s remotely interested.

Posted by Tommy G on May 03, 2007, 05:03 PM | #

“(And be sure not to come back after the rest of us will have gotten things sorted out with no help whatsoever from your sad defeated-before-you-even-start ilk ...)”

Sorry Fred, my point is we better get things “sorted out” yesterday. We are in a race against the clock! What can I do besides writing my elected representatives and local newspapers (which I do) to stop amnesty from passing? We can’t deny the rapid demographic changes, can we? How can we fight and defeat the Beast?

http://www.numbersusa.com/index

Posted by gongstar on May 03, 2007, 05:12 PM | #

Fred—IMHO you talk too much and too loudly. If I weren’t already converted, the number, length and aggression of your posts would confirm or re-awaken my prejudices and drive me away. I almost wonder whether that’s your aim.

guessedworker wrote:

Thanks for the link.  Just finished listening to that.  Truly, there is no hope.  These creatures cannot redeem themselves because they cannot control themselves, or even understand that they should try.  It is another country.

Even if they weren’t imported as weapons against whites and dissolvers of civil society, it’s now clear that’s exactly what they are. But I think the usual excuses for their behaviour are wearing thin, even for liberals.

Posted by Tommy G on May 03, 2007, 05:36 PM | #

Another-thing Fred, if your so intent on sorting things out you can start by sorting out this little problem!

http://www.vdare.com/malkin/070501_borders.htm

I’m right with you baby!

Posted by Kulturkampf on May 03, 2007, 08:53 PM | #

Anon,

The key point here is that things will get worse, unless people decide to act.  If people fail to raise their voices against mass immigration, the non-white proportion of Britain will continue to expand and expand. According to the last census, it stands at 9%; we all know the actual figure now will be appreciably higher; and we know that the differential birthrates between natives and immigrants will lead to a further increase in the short to medium term future.

However, if you had the choice, would you prefer to live in a Britain where the non-white population rises to, let’s say, something like 15% (a grim enough prospect) - or a Britain where number creeps up and up - to 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%, 60%, 70%, 80%, and perhaps even 90% (a complete reversal of the status quo)?

It’s easy to feel overwhelmed by the scale of what’s happening to the country and to believe that the blind stupidity of our elites leaves us with no recourse.  But change can be secured with enough determination, even within the current political climate.  There are small things we can all do – write letters to the paper, leave comments on internet newsites, tell friends and neighbours about the problem, donate money to MigrationWatch and/or the BNP.  How hard is it to do these things?  You don’t have to storm the Houses of Parliament.  If you engage in any of these modest activities, you can at least say that you’ve done your best as an individual to influence the national question, and to serve your country.  And perhaps you also might feel less despair.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 10:32 PM | #

“Fred — If I weren’t already converted, the number, length and aggression of your posts would confirm or re-awaken my prejudices and drive me away.” (—Gongstar of the pale, delicate, moist hands, mincing gait, and oh-so-fragile psyche; that excerpt from his comment was to be read in a falsetto/vibrato voice to the tune of that 1920s favorite, ”Tiptoe Through The Tulips With Me” with solo ukulele accompaniment)

Don’t read ‘em, you pathetic self-centered pantywaist. 

“IMHO you talk too much and too loudly” (to be read to the tune of that other great old standard, “My Little Buttercup,” if possible while performing the cute little dance routine shown here but not absolutely essential)

Grow a pair, you testosterone-challenged pansy.

“I almost wonder whether that’s your aim.” (sung to a number I couldn’t find on YouTube but it’s on the TeleTubbies web-site [or if not there, check Barney the Purple Dinosaur’s site]:  “Tinkerbelle And All The Little Fairies Of Fairyland”)

My aim, you limp-wristed little twit?  It’s scaring all the lisping transvestites away.  You for instance.  Now go give yourself some desperately-needed hormone injections.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 10:52 PM | #

Tommy, I let you have it with both barrels and you answered me like a man (unlike some others in this thread I could mention ...).  Cheers to you, comrade!

Posted by Tommy G on May 03, 2007, 10:56 PM | #

My aim, you limp-wristed little twit?  It’s scaring all the lisping transvestites away.  You for instance.  Now go give yourself some desperately-needed hormone injections.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, May 3, 2007 at 10:32 PM | #

Fred, when was the last time you got any?

Posted by Wunderhund on May 03, 2007, 11:14 PM | #

Just because something ‘has happened’ doesn’t mean it’s set in stone.
It happened, that I lost all my money and went broke.
Well, I worked my way out of that hole.
Plus a few others…

Right now the trend is all in favor of the immigrants and race replacement.
Part of their advantage lies in the fact that most white folks are blissfully ignorant of this situation.
I know that I was.

Yes, it looks grim, especially once you really see what’s happening when you wake up from media la-la land.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 11:15 PM | #

Now Tommy starts in.  I’m fighting a two-front war here.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 11:18 PM | #

Wunderhund, you’re right.  What can be done can be undone.  Whoever says the game’s up is a defeatist who might as well be working for the other side.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 11:32 PM | #

It’s half-past midnight in the U.K.  Will there be projections tonight or nothing till tomorrow?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 03, 2007, 11:34 PM | #

(Half-past seven here on the east coast.)

Posted by ben tillman on May 04, 2007, 04:08 AM | #

Have we been so completely ‘politically corrected’ that we cannot feel instinctive outrage at this looming disaster?—Wunderhund

In all these years, I can’t recall seeing “politically correct” used as a verb.  In my first comment after encountering this usage (at durham-in-wonderland), I managed to use both “politically corrected” and the noun “political correction”.

Thank you, Wunderhund.

Posted by Tommy G on May 04, 2007, 01:27 PM | #

“Now Tommy starts in.  I’m fighting a two-front war here.”

Fred, first of all I’m in accordance with your overall outlook on our future prospects as a race. But I’m still pessimistic in the short term because we haven’t come up with a viable/workable stradegy to reverse the flood of color that is about to drown us. All the brilliant theories floating around are useless unless they are practical and more importantly we put them into action. I’m hoping one-day a watershed event will serve as the catalyst to start a chain reaction that will reverse our race replacement. Until then, brother Fred, we of like minds must continue to stick together, aye?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 04, 2007, 01:48 PM | #

Aye indeed, Tommy, and thanks for your comment.  Things don’t happen overnight.  If all of us keep advancing in the right direction in whatever we do, be it donating a billion dollars to Vdare.com if we’re billionaires or merely posting comments somewhere or sharing thoughts with a neighbor over a beer at the week-end barbecue, we’ll win this thing in the end.  When the turnaround will come we can’t know, but come it will.  Never waver, no matter what happens!

Posted by daniel j on May 04, 2007, 03:32 PM | #

VDARE has plenty of money. Throwing money at a problem does not make it go away! That is what a huge and liberal government does.

I repeat. Throwing money at a problem does not make it go away. It does, enrich all the already wealthy folk at VDARE however.

The last thing we need is more fu$&#xin;g “leaders”. Especially, people that were involved in the hey-let-em-stay-Reagan administration.

No this Revolution will not be a top down affair, and VDARE is most certainly “top-down.” There isn’t enough barbecues in the world to fix the situation either.

I say we thank our “leaders” for the information, but it is up to us to evacuate from minority positions and create new communities where it is clear that minority populations are unwelcome.

I second the notion that you are a little bit abrasive in our exclusionary and friendly company Fred.

It is idealistic and childish to put forward the notion that “we will win this thing,” except perhaps as a cultural “rally” cry. It is an infinitely nuanced, and extremely precarious situation we (descendants of European Christendom) are in globally, and to tread around roughshod with lightweight analysis is for the Stormfronters.

I also worry whether the white men that are left even possess the constitution to overcome the brainwashing from Amerikwa, Babylon of this Brave New World. It isn’t easy to suddenly, at the age of say - 24 or 25 - to commit one’s self to unlearning. That was two decades of constant bombardment by television, advertising, cinema, pop-music and incessant celebrity driven drivel rammed down your throat for the sole purpose of indoctrination. It is simply naive to estimate that it will be without effect.

We are doomed, no doubt about it, if we are unable to create a Renaissance, complete with Revolutionary and cultural vanguard. If there are no strong, philosophic, kingly, white males creating culture and ideas for popular consumption the Jews and their muddy culture of obfuscation and distraction win by default. What I mean, is whiteness in it’s present incarnation isn’t really worth saving! It is western civilization that is in the brink of being lost, and that sometimes leaves me disconsolate, perhaps Gongstar feels the same. For you to imply that we must be perennially optimistic, and always on a testosterone binge, well.....

Nor is it defeatist to pronounce that perhaps all - or some - is lost, whilst simultaneously fighting to regain control.

Civilization is an intermittent phenomena.

One must understand this axiom to place one’s self properly in context in a given civil situation.

Tomorrow in Vinland.

Regards,
Daniel J

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 04, 2007, 04:21 PM | #

Daniel J’s mistake is in thinking because he doesn’t have all the answers right here, right now, there isn’t hope.  We can’t know what will happen next or what will turn this thing around finally:  no one has all the answers or can have.  You play it as it lays every step of the way, unwavering in your conviction.  There never was a movement whose supporters or whose opponents had all the answers every step of the way yet assuredly every movement had an outcome, one which was unpredictable until it actually happened.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 04, 2007, 04:45 PM | #

you are a little bit abrasive in our exclusionary and friendly company Fred.” (—Daniel J.)

Put this in your “abrasive” pipe and smoke it, Daniel:  I don’t see The Cause as best served by fragile, uncertain, or otherwise less-than-fully-dependable or “high-maintenance” allies.  (And let Gongstar take a puff on that thing.)

Posted by gongstar on May 04, 2007, 05:09 PM | #

Fred—When you get out of your teens (or into them—I’m not sure which it is), you might understand the points I’ve tried to get through your narcissistic bubble. But I doubt it. Your verbal diarrhoea is neither intelligent nor amusing nor likely to appeal to anyone but your fellow narcissistic halfwits.

Now let’s see if you refrain from responding. I doubt that too. Self-control is not characteristic of your type.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 04, 2007, 05:13 PM | #

The Welsh Assembly elections have turned out pretty much as expected.  Labour lost three seats, Plaid gained three.

Labour 26
Plaid Cymru 15
Conservative 12
LibDem 6
Other 1

Posted by Alex Zeka on May 04, 2007, 05:43 PM | #

Plaid Cymru are fairly uniformly hardcore lefties on economic issues, unlike say SNP, so are unlikely to ally with the Tories. Allying with the Libs isn’t much of an option for them either, as they’ll still be short of Labour’s total, never-mind a majority.

So, unless Labour bite the bullet and accept Welsh independence (which’ll make them look ridiculous given how little agitation for it there is among the Welsh population), we can expect a minority Lab gov’t in Wales.Whether governing will be possible or not will rather come down to whether the Tories, etc will be opportunistic enough to work together for the sake of embarrassing Labour or not. Given how unready Cameron has been to defeat Blair by voting with the latter’s rebels, I’d say that the Welsh Tories won’t go for such ad-hoc coalitions of expediency either, allowing Lab to go on unflustered by its loss in seats.

In short, this was a good or at least acceptable result for Labour, as they haven’t lost enough seats to also lose effective control of the Assembly. Ain’t parliamentary democracy fun sometimes?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 04, 2007, 05:46 PM | #

I had my speakers on as I read that last comment, gongstar — got the falsetto and vibrato (they sounded GREAT, by the way, some of your best ever) but I couldn’t hear the solo uke.  Your style is so much more effective with it — please don’t omit it next time.  Anyway, BRAVO!  What a tour de force!  (Any plans to bring that out as a CD? ...)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 04, 2007, 10:13 PM | #

[...] the BNP overall lost 8 councillors at borough/district level but gained 8 councillors at the same level. [...] These results demonstrate that British voters wanted to punish Labour and many viewed the best way to kick Labour up the backside was to tactically vote Conservative.

Is that the final vote tally?  If so, it’s a major triumph for the BNP:  they’ve maintained the number of council seats that went to them in the last election, an extremely impressive showing at that time and no less of one this time.  As Labour has just learned, it’s no small feat to hold onto your gains from one election to the next.  Furthermore, it’s completely clear the voters who chose the Scottish nationalists and the Tories instead of Labour were guided by “emotional motivations” similar to if not the same as those guiding the typical BNP voter:  sort of, “We want the crap that’s going on to stop and to stop now!” They simply chose to vent those feelings through different parties, not understanding the limitations of that strategy in terms of something actually being done about the problem.  But clearly they are not in sympathy with what Blair has done to their nation.  Congratulations go to the best, brightest, noblest party in the U.K., the BNP!

Posted by Lurker on May 04, 2007, 10:47 PM | #

I dont know yet that the UK is a lost cause. If Scots (or Welsh) voters were so hot for independence they would all vote SNP (or PC). In most constituencies, even ones where the nationialists won, most voters in total still voted for pro-Union parties, and in both cases the total of nationalist MPs is less than the pro-Union.

(Im assuming that a Conservative/Labour/LibDem/BNP vote is a vote against independence.)

In fact the BNP did quite well in Wales, the liberal left and nationalists are insistent that the BNP is really an English party. Well there is some truth in that but we dont know how these things will pan out. Five years more heavy immigration from now the BNP could be looking a lot more attractive in Scotland.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 04, 2007, 10:47 PM | #

No, Fred, I think it’s more mixed than that - certainly in England.  There is no advance in terms of seats despite the most propitious circumstances ever.  In a sense, it’s not unlike the NF in France, after the riots.

Much number-crunching needs now to be done to establish whether in fact there was a good pay-off, but it figures at the level of 2nd and 3rd places instead of wins.  That’s not impossible, given the growth of the party into new and hitherto untested areas.

But I don’t know yet whether that was the case.

In general, I think there is a great sense of deflatedness at the BNP, which will no doubt be disguised for public consumption.  The party strategists must now turn to planning a way forward.  My concern is that, actually, there are no party strategists, just Nick Griffin.

Earlier today on a BNP candidate’s blog I left this message:-

… my immediate impression is that the party has not moved forward as one hoped, and certainly not as the public mood suggested.

It may be, of course, that the real advance is there, below the water line; and is to be measured in increased public (and even media) acceptability that simply has not translated into electoral first places.

Still, I think there must be other lessons to be drawn. One is that better minds are required around NG, specifically to harness the rising tide of constitutional nationalism, to clean up the economics issue (a reliance on distributism and anti-globalism aren’t enough, and don’t suggest a serious POV) and to flesh-out the wider social platform.

From what little I can see Johnathan Bowden is the only intellectual in a position of any kind of influence. That has to change. New Labour was built by four clever men, and Cameron’s thusfar successful makeover of the Tories is the brainchild of the scarcely more numerous but highly cerebral Notting Hill Set.

Serious political parties are not built by activism alone.

I will blog at length on their performance over the coming weekend.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on May 04, 2007, 10:57 PM | #

There is always that one ‘common sense’ voice in a discussion that tells us it’s not worth trying. Just let go they say - it’s over - for whatever reason.  It’s ‘too difficult’, it’s ‘too overwhelming’, ‘too personally challenging’, ‘the solutions are too complex’… they have a myriad of reasons why any effort to fight our race-replacement is useless.

Haha.  Tell them if they like, they can eat a gun.  The rest of us want to live.

The problem is really quite simple.  Europeans are kept in the dark and fed bullshit all day.

Nothing profound about that.  If they are given light and fed facts, they will awaken.

And we don’t need them all awake.  We just need a few million to wake up.  People are sheep, easily led.  Once a we have a few million hard core activists, the game will be afoot, and the masses will follow.

Personally, I think once we have that critical mass, we’ll be able to kick our opponents’ asses all around the place, at will.  They’ll fold like tents.

Some awakened whites tend to despair because they think the struggle’s been ongoing for so long and it’s gotten nowhere.  I think their perceptions need reframing.  There has been no struggle, not at the race level, only a few cells of the organism here and there waking up.  The struggle hasn’t even begun yet!  We’re at square zero.

What happens when we get our own teevee station?  Our own mass channels of communication?  When we capture the intellect of a single billionaire?  Something like that would set the white race’s consciousness afire.  That would be the endgame.  Getting to that point is the struggle, and we haven’t even started.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on May 04, 2007, 10:59 PM | #

Or, when we capture a single European nation’s consciousness?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 01:18 AM | #

“There has been no struggle, not at the race level, only a few cells of the organism here and there waking up.  The struggle hasn’t even begun yet!  We’re at square zero.” (—Svy)

Exactly right.

Posted by Thus spake natural law on May 05, 2007, 02:14 AM | #

The struggle hasn’t even begun yet!  We’re at square zero.

But what was Hitler’s Germany? What happened was that Hitler was beaten by a higher IQ tribe using superior methods unknown to the Germans.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 02:49 AM | #

I know I’m going to regret replying to this guy, but here goes: 

What exactly was the higher-IQ tribe, what exactly were the superior weapons unknown to the Germans, and what exactly is the basis for identifying Hitler’s Germany with what Svy was talking about?

Posted by daniel j on May 05, 2007, 03:55 AM | #

Do I sound like I am fragile and uncertain about myself?

That is not the case.

I will die, if it is worth it and need be, trying.

I agree with Svy. If we could just get a t.v. station… if we could just… if we could just…

All I am saying, is anything is possible, and I have plans for the best and worst scenarios.

Daniel J’s mistake is in thinking because he doesn’t have all the answers right here, right now, there isn’t hope.

I never said that. Does me signing off: Tomorrow in Vinland suggest that I have no hope?

We can’t know what will happen next or what will turn this thing around finally:  no one has all the answers or can have.  You play it as it lays every step of the way, unwavering in your conviction.

That is what I was saying to you. Here is the quote: It is idealistic and childish to put forward the notion that “we will win this thing,” except perhaps as a cultural “rally” cry. It is an infinitely nuanced, and extremely precarious situation we (descendants of European Christendom) are in globally, and to tread around roughshod with lightweight analysis is for the Stormfronters.

There never was a movement whose supporters or whose opponents had all the answers every step of the way yet assuredly every movement had an outcome, one which was unpredictable until it actually happened.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Friday, May 4, 2007 at 04:21 PM | #

You refused to address my issues - about VDARE, the present state of affairs, the constitution of the average white man, the demographics issues - and instead launched into a predictable assault on my level of knowledge and commitment, something you have no right to - and it is highly offensive that you would - question.

To add to the fire, as far as voting is concerned, voting for the BNP isn’t a “revolutionary” action. One could make the argument that you as a strong white man, shouldn’t grovel at the feet of the people who are offering you a “choice” about how to run your life. Not saying I wouldn’t love to see ‘ol Nicky take all the seats he can, but it doesn’t have to be “my way or the highway” white nationalism here does it?

Posted by daniel j on May 05, 2007, 03:58 AM | #

sorry about the format error…

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 09:39 AM | #

To Daniel J:  I apologize if I misrepresented your ideas.

You refused to address my issues - about VDARE, the present state of affairs, the constitution of the average white man, the demographics issues - and instead launched into a predictable assault on my level of knowledge and commitment, something you have no right to - and it is highly offensive that you would - question.

I haven’t gone back and looked, but rest assured that whatever in your comment I addressed, it was the part that interested me. 

You wrote nothing about Vdare worth responding to. 

To add to the fire, as far as voting is concerned, voting for the BNP isn’t a “revolutionary” action. One could make the argument that you as a strong white man, shouldn’t grovel at the feet of the people who are offering you a “choice” about how to run your life. Not saying I wouldn’t love to see ‘ol Nicky take all the seats he can, but it doesn’t have to be “my way or the highway” white nationalism here does it?

Sorry, I don’t understand this passage.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 10:58 AM | #

Speaking of Vdare.com, incidentally (the only site on the internet that equals MR.com in its combination of quality, content, and moral standing), Joe Guzzardi over there just linked this famous poem by Arthur Hugh Clough (1819-1861) in today’s Letter-to-the-Editor.  It being very à propos of this MR.com log entry, I’ll post it here:

Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth

SAY not the struggle naught availeth,
The labour and the wounds are vain,
The enemy faints not, nor faileth,
And as things have been they remain.

If hopes were dupes, fears may be liars;
It may be, in yon smoke conceal’d,
Your comrades chase e’en now the fliers,
And, but for you, possess the field.

For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the main.

And not by eastern windows only,
When daylight comes, comes in the light;
In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly! 
But westward, look, the land is bright!

Posted by Tommy G on May 05, 2007, 11:25 AM | #

“I agree with Svy. If we could just get a t.v. station… if we could just… if we could just…”

“If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower.”
-- Adolf Hitler, Landsberg, 5 November 1925

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 11:29 AM | #

Excellent point, Tommy. And the weapons will come in due course.

Posted by Wunderhund on May 05, 2007, 03:44 PM | #

The forces of multiculturalism and pc clearly understand one thing:

how to shape, form and move the mass mind via the suggestrive powers of pictures, sounds, entertainment aka the media.

This is the key to their power.  They have induced a sort of ‘trance’ state in the average Westerner.  This is all aimed at creating a universal consensus reality that multiculturalism, universalism, globalism and pc are the natural, normal, ‘progressive’ norms for today.  The enemy has consciously created the automatic ‘default’ state of mind for the average Joe and Jane.

We break out of this trap by first seeing through it, then removing ouselves from its baleful influence, then building up our own core conviction (which may take some time) and then acting upon this new inspiration.  All this takes effort. 

The pc default trance state equals death to our folk and our culture.
The default state is easy to fall into because, by its very nature, it is easy, relaxing, entertaining.  To paraphrase Marx:

‘Entertainment is the opiate of the masses’

To wake up requires EFFORT.  There is no easy way.  If it was easy, everyone would be on board.

We can and we will win.  And, it will not be easy.  It will be very difficult, challenging, fruatrating, painful, despairing, humiliating, galling,........and, if we but commit, in the long run, we will win.

Posted by Wunderhund on May 05, 2007, 03:46 PM | #

sorry about the spelling mistakes
i’m digitally challenged.

Posted by gongstar on May 05, 2007, 04:45 PM | #

Emotionally continent, that’s our Fred.

He’s a race-killer, a race-murderer, a race-replacer.  Just replying to him turns my stomach.  I’m getting up to go wash my hands, having soiled them typing a reply to this ordure.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, May 3, 2007 at 03:59 AM | #

In a just world this dreg, this filth, would be run out of Britain, sent packing, given 48 hours to gather his belongings then frog-marched onto the plane with a one-way ticket to anywhere-but-here in his pocket and it’s Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish!  Vile insect!  This germ, this infection, this uncleanness makes me vomit!
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, May 3, 2007 at 04:10 AM | #

Laconically masculine, that’s also our Fred.

Anon is merely someone who has no problem with forced race-replacement of the English nation.  In his view voting for “racists” is worse than a policy of moratorium plus humane repatriation.  He says or implies the reason he’s against trying to do something now is it’s gone too far, so either is irreversible or impossible to reverse humanely.  But his kind - and this should be crystal-clear to everybody - would have had some other excuse for opposing remedial action back when things had gone only half as far, a quarter as far, a tenth as far as now.  They’d have said, “Why take corrective action for a problem that’s so minimal it poses no threat?” and “I oppose any attempt to repatriate folk who’ve come here to better their lives and have lived here a number of years, on grounds it’s cruel.” So this ilk opposes any remedy when one’s easy to implement and opposes any remedy when one’s hard to implement.  They oppose any remedy, period.  In other words, they want race-replacement.  That’s what one is dealing with here:  the crowd that wants race-replacement.  He says Britain and America were beaten when abortion was legalized but doesn’t explain why Japan wasn’t.  No one should be fooled:  this piece of excrement signing as Anon ardently wants race-replacement, adores it, silently rejoices that it’s in progress.  He’s so low he hasn’t even the honesty to come out and state that, but hides behind a façade of resignation before a fait accompli he would have opposed doing anything to thwart no matter at what stage of the process, early or late.  Words simply cannot describe what a piece of shit this individual is.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, May 3, 2007 at 03:55 AM | #

No wonder our Fred has no hang-ups about effeminacy.

Gongstar of the pale, delicate, moist hands, mincing gait, and oh-so-fragile psyche… Grow a pair, you testosterone-challenged pansy… My aim, you limp-wristed little twit?  It’s scaring all the lisping transvestites away.  You for instance.  Now go give yourself some desperately-needed hormone injections.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, May 3, 2007 at 10:32 PM | #

Posted by anon from above on May 05, 2007, 07:04 PM | #

No I think you are wrong Wunderhund, they don’t have the masses in a trance.
It amazes me why in most political debate people always look for the complicated conspiracy answer to why something is happening while avoiding the obvious.

The main reason Muslims and immigrants in general have a stronger more agressive and defensive culture attitude compared to native Brits is because abortion has wiped out so many young Brits the average age has increased dramatically.
Throughout history societies have been directed by young men at the age of sexual competition fighting with anything that was a threat to their position and sometimes fighting elsewhere for ‘glory’, there is no longer large numbers of young ‘natives’ in Britain, there is a very old population (by historic standards) who wont do anything to rock the boat because they are afraid of losing their pensions.

As well as abortion the ‘welfare’ state has been used to pussify many other people who would previously have been competing in society.

To solve the problem you need to fix the native demographic which would then change political attitudes.
Ban abortion.
Abolish the welfarestate.  I support helping people ofcourse but the current welfarestate is used as a tool to pacifiy the natives.

It would be amazing how fast political attitudes changed imo.

Svyatoslav Igorevich says we only need a few to ‘awake’ and then the situation will change pretty fast, but the truth is if you look at the school demographic in London the English becoming minority is already inevitable. You guys are behind the curve.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 07:29 PM | #

Anon, how come that doesn’t apply to the case of Japan?

Posted by anon from above on May 05, 2007, 08:45 PM | #

Because they didn’t have large scale immigration and aren’t part of the EU with open borders rules.
They aren’t going to get out competed by younger immigrants which are not even in the country. However it may happen to Japan if some kind of ‘libertarian’ gets in power and tries to open up the economy, with their very old population they are vulnerable to rapid change.

There is no use pretending we can go back to how Japan is, too late for that, without a civil war.

There is also a new ‘issue’ scientists have made a cheap test to find out the sex of a baby at 8 weeks, so some groups may use that to produce even more young men.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 09:50 PM | #

Anon blames race-replacement on abortion when the blame lies with immigration, not abortion, the proof being Japan among many other proofs.  As for it being too late, there’s only one thing that will make that true:  lots more people like anon deciding it’s too late.  For any struggle, there are two and only two possibilities: 

1) Certain defeat if you give up and don’t fight (Anon’s position), and

2) possible victory otherwise. 

Anon’s completely unjustified pessimism is not wanted here, but since that’s all he offers (he tells us no new facts, none we didn’t already know), he brings nothing to our side and is of no interest or value to us.  Actually, he’s of “negative value” to us.  Anon, you serve no positive purpose here.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 05, 2007, 10:23 PM | #

Fred, I live in Britain.  I will not be voting BNP.  They aren’t standing in my area anyway.  It is ‘not’ time we did our duty, the time has already passed, 49% of London babies are born to foreign mothers, and that obviously doesn’t include 2nd-3rd generation immigrants and mixed races so the reality is English people are already set on the unstoppable path to minority status, as soon as they grow up.

Voting BNP isn’t going to change that basic fact. The only way to stop it would be a campaign of ethnic cleansing and there is no way anyone but a handful of nutters is going to support that.  (—anon)

I and some bloggers and regular commenters at this site support humane, financially-reimbursed repatriation, and let’s don’t argue about minute details of implementation which, as for any program, can be worked out, vetted, and fine-tuned when the time comes:  does that make us “nutters”?  Do you support humane, generously-financially-reimbursed repatriation in principle, anon?  (I said in principle.)

If not, why not?  (And your reason can’t be “Because it wouldn’t work”:  I said, in principle.)

Britain and America were beaten when abortion was legalised which caused a dramatic aging of the population.

Wrong.  (You’ve swallowed the propaganda, hook, line, and sinker.) They were beaten when excessive incompatible immigration wasn’t halted way back at the beginning.  You’re taking as your starting point in all this the assumption, as if it were a given, that the gazillions of wogs are already here en masse.  That’s not the starting point.  The starting point was before they first came.

Old people are quiet, peaceful and ‘wise,’ having no appetite for a fight; a young population does fight for dominance as the Muslims do now.

Completely irrelevant if you don’t open the borders to excessive numbers of incompatibles.  Furthermore, opening the borders continues to depress the white birth rate because for a multitude of reasons of different kinds, filling up an area with competing races is partly a zero-sum game:  the more one race gets shoe-horned in and helped and encouraged to occupy available housing, take jobs or welfare, and reproduce, the less the other race will be contributing to the place’s final filling-up since its opportunities will have been reduced by giving them to someone else.

The West is old, tired and weak and will be taken over by something younger, fresher and with a greater fighting spirit.

You’re taking a perfect description of yourself and projecting it onto “the West.” Count me out, please!

I while ago I read Guessedworker say he thought France and Canada wouldn’t survive (or may not, not sure the exact words) but that he thought England would get back its bulldog spirit etc, well I really don’t understand how you come to think that. I see no evidence, far from it.

He “comes to think it” because unlike you he’s not clinically depressed.  Go find a doctor to prescribe some much-needed medication for that.  (I hear Prozac’s good ...) Return here once you’ve got the problem under better control, yes?  Have a nice day.

Posted by anon from above on May 05, 2007, 10:30 PM | #

No, the blame lies with the combination of abortion and immigration.
Sure you can say without immigration there’d be no problem but without 8 million dead babies I doubt there would have been much space for 8 million-ish immigrants in the last 30 years to have moved into.
Japan is not out of the woods they could quite easily end up in the same situation.

Posted by Count Sudoku on May 05, 2007, 10:37 PM | #

“I agree with Svy. If we could just get a t.v. station… if we could just… if we could just…”

If we could just get a TV station the government would find away to shut it down. Nothing less than complete control of a nation’s government will suffice and even then we still aren’t totally free to do what we want as other governments will meddle in our affairs.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 05, 2007, 10:50 PM | #

Anon,

To explain ...

My view is that a soft-revolution is possible over the next two decades.  Beyond that liberalism will have decayed further, possibly to the point of Leviathan - but certainly it will have moved in that direction.  Government of that order at home, the end of cornucopianism (probably), the absence of a political option through which the majority can express its genetic interests, and - importantly - the consequences of European ethnic failure visible elsewhere (it is true that I have suggested Canada and France as the first and most likely models, but Sweden is coming up on the rails) ... the combination of these things will pressage a more dramatic revolutionary moment.

I do not thin this is the most likely future.  But it is one of the stronger possibilities.

Posted by anon from above on May 05, 2007, 10:51 PM | #

haha Fred, keep up the bad aittutide, doesn’t bother me.

Ofcourse in principle those Muslims who felt so unhappy that they want to blow themselves up should be helped to relocate somewhere else.
But your idea of large scale repatriation is not viable because very large numbers of people will fight against it and therefore it wouldn’t be as benign as you suggest.
You can argue for repatriation all you want but if you are claiming it can be done without a fight and serious social strife you are either a fool or being disingenuous.

Yes I know the starting point was before large scale immigration happened but thats irrelevant now, its happened.  Although in the begining it was small compared to now and it wouldn’t have got so big if we hadn’t lost so many of our own young people.

I was not describing myself, I am actually very young and pissed off that the 60’s/70’s generation are going to leave us with a civil war sooner or later, I think it will be later but will happen as Muslim terrorists become more and more emboldened.

Posted by Wunderhund on May 05, 2007, 11:57 PM | #

Anon:

TV is a mind control tool.
The programming is being used to shape attitudes, thought, feeling i.e mind.
It’s a very useful tool to do just that, probably the best ever invented.

Is it a conspiracy or just the good intentions of bleeding heart liberals?
Maybe both.

As for the obvious, in-your-face growth of multi-racialism;
you’re right.
They’re here, and there’s more of them all the time.

I live in California.
We have been invaded by Mexicans here.
It wasn’t an issue in the past
It is now, and the awareness is growing.
At the same time, the media is constantly demonizing anybody who opposes the notion of ‘universal, global, equal humanity’.
‘Diversity is our strengthy’ and other such media mantras constantly droning in the background.

That would be wonderful if it really worked.
The alternative, at this stage, is very dark.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 06, 2007, 12:54 AM | #

“haha Fred, keep up the bad aittutide, doesn’t bother me.” (—anon)

What should bother you is your muddled thinking, not my “bad attitude.”

“Ofcourse in principle those Muslims who felt so unhappy that they want to blow themselves up should be helped to relocate somewhere else.  But your idea of large scale repatriation is not viable because very large numbers of people will fight against it and therefore it wouldn’t be as benign as you suggest.
You can argue for repatriation all you want but if you are claiming it can be done without a fight and serious social strife you are either a fool or being disingenuous.”

It’s not clear to what extent you favor repatriation in principle.  (I asked you not to reply by saying it wouldn’t work, and almost all of your reply amounted to saying it wouldn’t work.  To the slight extent you said you favored it in principle your response wasn’t clear.) If you favor it in principle, a number of ways can be found by which it will work nicely, humanely, and to everyone’s satisfaction.  Don’t write back demanding exact policy details unless you have friends in government who are going to put me in charge of an actual program:  those can always be worked out.  If you doubt it, get an IQ boost then come back and we’ll talk about it.

“Yes I know the starting point was before large scale immigration happened but thats irrelevant”

On the contrary, that’s just the point:  we started off having the country to ourselves, then this happened.  The next step is we’re going to get it back for ourselves again, back to the starting point before we were so rudely disturbed. 

“Although in the begining it was small compared to now and it wouldn’t have got so big if we hadn’t lost so many of our own young people [through abortion].”

But in Japan it not only didn’t get “so big,” it never even got small.  It’s zero.  Yet, they lost as many of their young people through abortion.  How do you explain that?  I’ll tell you how:  first place your ear next to the monitor screen, right here where I’m typing this, so you can hear better.  Is it there?  Yes?  OK.  Ready? THEY KEPT THE BORDERS CLOSED.  WE DIDN’T.  CAPICHE?

(Did you get it that time? ... If not I can do it again ...)

“I was not describing myself”

Oh yes you were — perhaps more than you know.  You certainly weren’t describing the typical regular at this web-site, that’s for damn sure.  Now if you would, just run along to Harry’s Place, there’s a good lad!  I think your ideas will be way more appreciated over there.  Oh and, uhhh ... tell ‘em Fred Scrooby sent you ... (say I was concerned about their falling web-traffic and wanted to steer some of ours their way ... No, tell ‘em not to thank me, it’s the thought that counts ...).

Posted by anon from above on May 06, 2007, 04:53 AM | #

To quote gongstar “Fred—IMHO you talk too much and too loudly. If I weren’t already converted, the number, length and aggression of your posts would confirm or re-awaken my prejudices and drive me away. I almost wonder whether that’s your aim.”

Yeah I’ll second that.
If I wanted to read comments from a bunch of teens pretending to be tough guys I’d go play CS.
I came here to read what guessedworker was saying about the election, I know my first comment was a little provocative but the situation is that bad, guessedworker knows I’m right.

Posted by Might makes Right on May 06, 2007, 05:05 AM | #

a number of ways can be found by which it will work nicely, humanely, and to everyone’s satisfaction

Nice failing, swivel a gun barrel at them and order them out.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 06, 2007, 05:28 AM | #

“I know my first comment was a little provocative” (—anon)

No it wasn’t provocative, anon.  It simply showed your true colors right off as someone who loves race-replacement.  I said it before and I stand by it:  You’re someone who adores race-replacement.  Now, as for my reaction to the rest of what you have to say: 

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................

Posted by Desmond Jones on May 06, 2007, 05:50 AM | #

Germany repatriated Turks in 1984 with an incentive.

In November 1973, there were 910,500 Turks living in Germany. At this point, the Federal Government ordered that recruitment of foreigners from outside the European Community would have to stop. The long-term goal was to reduce the number of migrants in Germany.

In fact, the total number of foreigners living in the country was reduced over the next couple of years. However, the Turkish population kept on growing.

Now, workers who left could no longer return to Germany. Many of them, therefore, chose to bring their families here instead of visiting them at home.

In 1983, the Kohl Government passed the so-called Voluntary Repatriation Encouragement Act. This law offered migrants financial incentives to return home.

Legislators based this approach on economic considerations as well as on the belief that the Turkish population would never be able to integrate into a Western European country of Christian tradition. Neither the government nor society in general had accepted that the Federal Republic had already, de facto, become an immigration country.

By mid-1984, approximately 250,000 foreigners – most of them Turks – had left the Federal Republic. The act allowed repatriation grants of up to 10,500 Marks per adult and 1,500 Marks per child. Although these payments were anything but generous, the fact that they were paid at all stirred up feelings of envy among the German work force.

There appear to be a lot of folks willing to return home if only they had some sort of incentive:

Atiqa Ilmas’s dark eyes are rimmed by fatigue.

Her smiles are slow and spread softly across her face but don’t surface often during the course of the interview.

She has just confessed that if she could do it all over again, she would not immigrate to Canada.

“If we knew the true picture of how hard it would be, maybe we would have thought otherwise,” she says.

She came to Canada nine years ago with her husband and two young children in tow. They had been living in Saudi Arabia for 12 years and decided to forego returning to their native Pakistan in favour of Canada—the land of “big beautiful houses and nice cars.”

“In the beginning we were so excited. We thought things will work out in the end. But as time passes, you slowly realize no, it’s not going to happen.”

http://www.notcanada.com/

Posted by Desmond Jones on May 06, 2007, 06:13 AM | #

In fact the BNP did quite well in Wales...

The Welsh have complained before about bus loads of Poles taking jobs in British Steel, Port Talbot or Aberavon. Wrexham, apparently has a big Polish community.

“He told me that there was a large immigrant population of Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians and that they were ‘taking our jobs’ and if they carry on they will be ‘taking over the town’.

“He was making statements saying the government was giving immigrants free cars, free telephones and £5,000 when they turn up to the job centre to register for work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6622777.stm

Wrexham, it appears, is a hotspot for racial tension. The Welshies and Iraqis went at it in 2003 and then the lads turned on the Peelers. Sweet.

he Caia Park riots occurred on the Caia Park Estate in Wrexham, Wales, on 22 June 2003 and involved violence between Iraqi Kurds, local residents and police. The violence began when Hoshank Baker Kader (an Iraqi) was set upon by local residents. Approximately 20 of the Kurdish immigrants in response armed themselves and attacked the Red Dragon pub at about 20:05 GMT believing that the perpetrators of violence to their compatriot were inside. The drinkers inside returned the violence using bar stools and snooker cues. From then on the riot began with local residents taking an active response and attempting to get to the Kurdish area of the estate.

Police were called by the landlord of the pub and proceeded to round up troublemakers. The riots against the police happened the following night when a variety of missiles were thrown by a crowd of angry locals, including petrol bombs, stones and bottles. At the height of the incident a crowd of approximately 200 youths attacked about 25 police officers. This assault lasted for three hours.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 06, 2007, 12:58 PM | #

Desmond, isn’t there also the simple fact that Nick Griffin’s a native son?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 06, 2007, 05:58 PM | #

I was concerned about their falling web-traffic” (—me, somewhere above)

Majority Rights
Harry’s Place

Harry’s place seems to have ... how to call it? ... lost some steam, shall we say? ... 

Yes I believe that’s right:  lost steam ...

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 06, 2007, 06:13 PM | #

Oops!  It did it again (the red Harry’s Place graph disappeared.)

If the red Harry’s Place web-traffic graph doesn’t show up in the comment I posted just above, go here, put the Harry’s Place URL in the little space next to the one for Majority Rights (lower left), click on 1 year above instead of the default setting of 6 months, and hit the enter button at lower right.  The superposed graphs of both will come up.

Posted by Guessedworker on May 06, 2007, 11:44 PM | #

Well, I got fed up of waiting for the BNP to produce some stats from its still incomplete result log.  I’ve just totted up the published placings, ignoring the wins which we know about.

Seconds account for 13.2% of results, thirds for an impressive 46.5%, fourths for 23.3% and fifth or lower 17.0%.

Now, there are all manner of oddities in the BNP’s published results, and they are not the most straightforward and complete data-base from which to extrapolate a useful overview.  But by and large, the BNP faced four or more competitors in each ward, and came 2nd or 3rd in well over half the seats fought.

In terms of seats won/lost, the base number was too small to be meaningful.  But it is instructive that the Greens, aided no doubt by the near-collapse in Labour and LibDem votes and by the enormous publicity accorded to global warming, did extremely well.  So it is not right to say, as the BNP has claimed, that the protest vote happened to go to Cameron’s Tories, and there was nothing anyone could do about it, gov.

That said, the BNP result is a lot more solid than it looked at first, and represents steady progress.  But the question has to be asked why the highly promising results the party has been achieving in ward by-elections were not carried over here.  They do claim, after all, that in by-elections the opposition parties pour an inordinate amount of effort in that cannot be replicated under wider electoral conditions.

One possible answer for the lack of first places is what could perhaps be called “the nationalist wall” ... that percentage of the vote that seems to lie between 20 and 25%, beyond which so few racial nationalist parties get (VB aside).

This time last year I analysed a rather more remarkable performance by the BNP, and wrote, “The general range of third-place percentages was 11% to 25%.  Seconds ranged from 20% to 30%, and one or two even higher than that.  A first place required about 35%.”

I haven’t totted up the entire vote and broken it down as an average.  But it looks to be as though it is below 20% of the total votes cast - perhaps around 17.5%.  That is nudging up towards this supposed electoral barrier for single-issue racial politics.

It’s something to ponder, and something I hadn’t factored into my completely over-optimistic pre-election guess of 80 seats.  But then, who forecast that the Tories would pick up very nearly 900 seats?  Not me, for sure.

Posted by Lurker on May 07, 2007, 12:02 AM | #

How many actual votes did they get?

Posted by Desmond Jones on May 07, 2007, 01:40 AM | #

Fred,

Nick Griffin was born in North London and grew up in Halesworth in rural Suffolk, England.

Griffin has mentioned he has a farm in Wales, however, he is not Welsh born. No, the results in Wales appear directly related to the size of the Polish community in the constituency and their direct impact upon Welsh jobs.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on May 07, 2007, 02:16 AM | #

Thanks, Desmond.  I’d simply assumed because he lived in Wales and had a Welsh family name he was Welsh, but I never thought of looking it up.  I stand corrected.

Posted by Friedrich Braun on May 07, 2007, 04:20 AM | #

I think Britain is the opposite of the concept of Greater Germany. Großdeutschland is the idea that the Germanic Volk were/ are living in invented states and should actually be united under the same flag, in one political entity.

What has happened with the United Kingdom is the inverse: several peoples have been ‘married’ together, who, naturally, should have their own states.