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Ireland says no Maggie Thatcher said it of the Poles back in the late 80s: “When people are free to choose, they choose freedom.” Alone in the EU, the Irish people had the constitutional right to choose whether to acquiesce in the drive to a European superstate or to make a stand against it. Just as they did seven years ago in the first of their two votes on the Nice Treaty, they have made their stand. Declan Ganley and his rag-tag assortment of no-sayers, including Sinn Fein, have won. The political, business and media elites of Ireland have been humiliated. The European elites, meanwhile, have received a resounding slap in the face. The very manipulations they made to render the Treaty impossible to read for anyone other than a constitutional lawyer have backfired on them. Many sturdy voters said they would not endorse a Treaty the meaning of which they did not understand. Now the elites have a thorny problem. Despite the speculation that they would simply forge ahead and ratify the Treaty without Ireland, they cannot legally do so. No member state can ratify the Treaty unless all 27 do. Will we see a repeat of the Nice “solution” when the Irish electorate was bought off, and an initial vote of 54% to 46% in favour of the No Campaign was turned into a 63% to 37% triumph for the Yes men? The voting split yesterday was about the same 54% to 46%, so opt-outs on sensitive issues such as business tax harmonisation and abortion rights may well be in the offing. It pays to be cynical about anything to do with EU integration. But it will take an awfully shameless Irish politician to force the electorate back into the voting booths this time? In any case, the elites’ response is for tomorrow. Today we raise a glass to the health and good sense of the Irish. Comments:2
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:16 | # Cheers then, Bert. I was intrigued to read this remark from Telegraph blogger Bruno Waterfield:-
Waterfield then links his anti-elite argument to the matters on which David Davis is taking his stand:-
If it matures into something powerful, this development of a popular, multi-pronged oppositon to plutarchy will be immensely heartening for all those who love our people, our culture, our countries, and find it astonishing, even inexplicable that so much that is final and unspeakably wrong has been happening to them. All of that evil has its nidus in the philosophy and politics of our age and the elites those things have spawned. The Irish vote against Lisbon and the actions of one man outside the Commons yesterday are of a kind in that they both accord with the people’s true interests. They are anti-elitist ... but they are not yet anti-liberal. That will only come with the rise of a viable nationalist ideology. 3
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:46 | # Meanwhile on Gordon Brown’s fantasy island nothing much has changed at all:-
First, I don’t think it matters legally whether we ratify or not, because if Ireland doesn’t ratify the Treaty cannot come into effect on the scheduled date in January 2009. The Irish rejection has to be resolved or the Treaty is forfeit. It does not remain live for the 26 ratifying nations. Second, let us savour again that Downing Street insider’s smug word in the ear of the Guardian’s Andrew Sparrow:-
Bear in mind how keen he has been to honour Labour’s 2005 election pledge on a Referendum on the Constitution. But bear in mind also that Stuart Wheeler might yet have inflicted a third blow against elitism - at least, high-handed British political elitism - in his two days in court this week. Judgement was reserved because, given its constitutional implications, the judges (there are two) have to weigh the case with the greatest care. We should hear in the next 7 to 10 days, I suppose. 4
Posted by Hibernia Girl on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:49 | # At first glance, it looks as though at least some groups in a few regions of the country may have voted with immigration issues in mind—at least in the sense that many Irish people feel that they’re loosing job opportunities to immigrants from the EU. For instance, areas like south and southwest Dublin (second map here) as well as Cork City—all of which have large immigrant populations—had some of the highest No vote returns. 5
Posted by Foxbark on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:34 | # The EU is fundamentally and constitutionally profoundly undemocratic. 6
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:23 | # Czech president says Lisbon Treaty project is over:-
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Posted by Revolution Harry on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:01 | # For sober analysis of anything relating to the EU I recommend the EU Referendum blog. After next week, the flurry of media attention will die down and, over the summer - away from the prying eyes of the hacks - the “colleagues” will be hard at work. They will be stitching up the “bridging instrument” which will enable the treaty to go ahead with 26 member states, with provision for the Irish quietly to re-enter the fold at a later stage. By October, it will all be done and dusted. 8
Posted by Svigor on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:50 | # So Europeans aren’t being asked how their future will go…they’re being told how their future will go…and they haven’t burned much to the ground over the matter… That tells you how their future will go… As long as they’re kept at (intolerable -1) people seem okay with whatever… Slavery just doesn’t seem to bother them much. Long as you don’t call it that. 9
Posted by Svigor on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:53 | # BUT it is nice to see that, for the record, they’ve said no, before being told yes. It’s nice to have an obvious record. 10
Posted by Englander on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:21 | # The blatancy with which the politicians talk about going ahead with the Lisbon treaty/constitution despite the ‘no’ vote is astonishing to me. 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:52 | # They will “amend” - meaning break - their own laws to do it. And they must do it, because their creed (anti-nationalism - it isn’t liberalism any longer, of left or right, because these people know they’re not making anyone “free”) is like a shark. It cannot swim backwards. If it stops swimming forwards it will suffocate. What they should know, though, is that the more they walk roughshod over the will of the people, the less legitimacy attaches to their creation. And, really, what legitimacy can the enslaving of free national constituencies - peoples - ever have? We are if not at liberty under the present dispensation then perfectly free morally to overturn the entire structure - the racial and cultural elements included. 12
Posted by Bill on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:41 | # There is no pretence any more, the mask is off - revealing naked dictatorship. Brown doesn’t care anymore, he knows he is toast so what the hell - go for broke and history. Perhaps we’re entering the beginning of the endgame of total absorption into the spider’s web - how far will their totalitarism go? Any sign of the gulags yet? These people must be held to account one day. 13
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:23 | # Well, at Home Office Questions on 11th March the Prisons Minister answered a written submission from a Tory MP as follows: “The Government have announced a programme to provide an additional 20,000 prison places and increase overall capacity to just over 96,000 by 2014. The programme has already provided 2,162 places, and will provide a further 2,409 places this year.” 20,000 places represents a 25% increase in prison capacity (which is already fully taken up, with early release schemes a commonplace). In my view, this represents an attempt to keep pace with the criminality of the MultiCult. So your answer is, Bill, no sign at the moment of any plans to deal with political dissent. Svi’s comment in respect of “intolerable -1” sums up the position pretty fairly, I think. The BNP is running a story on the demise of Britain’s farmers. They are using the word “dispossession”, which I have not seen them use before:-
I’ve been hammering on for some time about the party moving away from anti-Islamification and advocating resistance - political, of course - to what I’ve termed elsewhere the Four Horsement of the English Apolocalypse: marginalisation, displacement, dispossession, deracination. Would such a strategy work? Judge for yourself. The BNP article links to this Evening Standard piece. Here are the reader comments:-
So, is there some promise here for pushing on beyond “the glass ceiling”. Nothing to lose in trying, I’d say. But, then, the leadership would have to be interested in serious ideas, not in what GT calls “easy-money on-line racialism”. 14
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:17 | # Anyone who hasn’t must now read Vladimir Bukovsky’s interview and speech (from two years ago but still timely). This well-known former Soviet Russian dissident knows what he is talking about. Here’s the speech’s closing:
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Posted by Elitist on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:07 | # “In any case, the elites’ response is for tomorrow. Today we raise a glass to the health and good sense of the Irish.” You criticize the business elite, media elite, and the political elite constantly. Is the presumption that readers of MR won’t be among the elite? The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes? Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. Is this becuase: 16
Posted by Bill on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:38 | # What’s it all about Alfie? It really is an intriguing question, why are the British so passive in their reaction to the dire threat that they face? In fact, this must be the most mystifying questions of this century. I think we must ask our elites because as sure as hell they must know, otherwise they wouldn’t be so damned arrogant and confident in everything they do. I’ve said it before and I’II say it again, and I know it isn’t popular to a lot of people to hear. It is a malaise which I really cannot articulate rationally, because I think my reasoning enters the realms of religion ( Christianity) I am not and never have been a believer in the Christian sense, (so to speak) other than I do believe in living my life in a certain way, (do unto others etc) Someone said at the fall of Soviet communism, that we, (the West) had arrived at the end of history, which I take as meaning this is as good as it gets - there is no more. In a way I think this sums it up, whether people out there even think about I don’t know, but the bottom line is I don’t think that most people give a damn, and that if this is as good as it gets then sod it - let’s go. It simply isn’t worth saving - you can stuff it. Or maybe, on a more mundane level, it is because we are leaderless, not surprising since our natural leaders have declared war against us. What a strange world we live in, maybe it’s this postmodernism business. 17
Posted by Darren on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:38 | # The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes? First off, the elites are not always smart. Many of the elites are people with average and sometimes even below average scholastic records. It is a myth to say that elite people are elite because they were promoted based on merit when the reality is that it is often sufficent enough to merely inherit that status. Second, I could care less about how intelligent and hard-working some elites are. Do you admire the National Socialists in WWII Germany for their intelligence and hard work getting in power and maintaining their power? I doubt it. I would hardly look up towards our elites because I feel their ideologies are destructive and genocidal to my people. They lack what true leaders have: vision. The elites of today are more concerned with power and wealth than they are with the future. Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. I’m not a member of the wealthy class, but I’m hardly from the poor or working class either. I am college educated and make a comfortable salary. b. They feel unsuccessful and search for alternative explanations for their place in society. On the contrary, I am successful by most of society’s definitions. I feel that the current order of things gives me an empty life; there is something greater out there. I feel that part of the realization of higher forms is to understand the genetic mechanics behind race that society so utterly denies. Most enjoy worshiping the shadows in the cave. 18
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:41 | # To the commenter signing as “Elitist”: Is there any downside to forcing, as our élites are doing, the race-replacement of Euros with non-Euros (by flooding the place with non-Euros and forbidding Euros to object)? Your comment seems to boil down to “Why not join the winning side?” Yes they are the winning side — so far — but there are such things as right and wrong, normal and degenerate, moral and immoral, stuff like that .... ever hear of any of that? Right, didn’t think so ............ 19
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:48 | # The élites in France in the 1700s didn’t do such a good job running that country and ended up, every one of them, in the guillotine. They were the winning side too, for a time (and then came the lower-downs’ turn, you might say ....). 20
Posted by Proofreader on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:05 | # Elitist: Elites are smart until they believe they can outsmart everybody but finally turn out to be on the losing side: see how the French aristocracy fell in the 1789 Revolution for an example. They didn’t even see it coming, like Scrooby says. To answer your question, MR posters and commenters don’t criticize elites because they envy them, but rather because they despise them. Why would anybody admire a class of people who betray their own people? Even worse are those of the elites who pretend to belong to the majority population, while pursuing their petty ethnocentric goals. And where did you get the idea that MR’ers come from the lower classes? The opposite seems to be true. If you’re looking for “white trash” (as you no doubt would put it) to look down upon, you’re in the wrong place. Now, some of the regulars at MR might be concerned about losing status, due to the alliance between said treacherous elites and the alien hordes besieging us, or are afraid their children will suffer the consequences of mass immigration. If you find it illegitimate for a population to take a stand against its enemies, then you are denying our humanity and right to live. 21
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:13 | #
My view? It was the (fill in the blank) _______ who pushed that “End of History” nonsense, mainly by the (fill in the blank) _______<u>-owned</u> media touting Francis Fukuyama’s idiotic book. That’s because the (fill in the blank) _______ think the post-60s U.S. — soulless, nationless, traditionless, identityless, race-replaced, etc. — is paradise (and it is paradise ... paradise for (fill in the blank) _______ ) and they fervently hope that same set-up they’ve managed to impose here will spread worldwide (they’ve got to get to where it’s that way everywhere, because if people see alternatives it might rock the boat as people get the idea they don’t have to live in a hellish nightmare). The way that game is played is you get things the way you want them in one country — in this case, the now-degenerate U.S.Kwa — and then do all you can to spread the rumor that history is stopped, ended, nothing else is going to happen, ever, and like spin-the-bottle or a stopped watch, it’s stopped right here where — well, whaddya know! — right here where the ones touting the “End of History” feel they’ve died and gone to (fill in the blank) ______<u>-Heaven</u>! When you catch onto their game it’s simple really. (Of course it’s also one-hundred-percent bullshit but that part they conveniently forget to tell you.) (Fukuyama, by the way, has fallen into disfavor with the (fill in the blank) ______ . I forget why just now — he criticised Israel I think, something like that. So much for his fifteen minutes of fame. He’s basically a nobody now ... nobody’s heard of him since the (fill in the blank) _______ are no longer touting his stuff.) 22
Posted by Foxbark on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:40 | # Elitist, 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:04 | # The Ambler has an excerpt up which gets into the immigration crisis from the class angle. I don’t by any means agree with everything in this excerpt or, still less, in the original Tim Lott article from which it’s taken, but it does make its share of interesting and valid points. 24
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:15 | # By the way, does anyone have ideas on what Europe should do instead of the as-presently-constituted E.U. monstrosity? Should it do nothing, neither the E.U. nor anything else in particular, and just be itself as it was circa, let’s say, 1955 (minus of course its colonies and minus Eastern European communism)? Or should it do something to make itself bigger, stronger, more competitive in the world, but just not the E.U. as presently constituted? (Normal Lowell’s multiregionalism, for instance? Or something else specific?) In other words, we know what we don’t want — we don’t want the E.U. as presently constituted. That’s out, it’s a non-starter, forget that, take it back to the drawing boards and start over because we do not intend to accept that crap. Period. Full stop. Well, exactly what is it we do want? 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:23 | #
I keep writing Normal Lowell for some reason. Must be because I see him as an island of normalness in an ocean of degenerateness. Or maybe because I’m so impatient to see his ideas implemented, I start writing his last name before I’m finished writing his first. But whatever the reason, and exceedingly normal guy though he is, and howver impatient I am to see his ideas bear fruit, it’s of course Norman Lowell. (He’s a great public speaker, by the way — I love watching his speeches.) 26
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:22 | # Above, I asked what readers wanted for Europe’s nations, in place of the E.U. monstrosity. Here JWH sets out some specifics of what he wants not for Europe but the U.S. (Of course, if the U.S. implements these it’ll no longer be the U.S., which would be GREAT!) (At least now I know whom to vote for for president in November: I’m writing in JWH’s name on my ballot.) (To Troll Watch, who’s got me nervous about “posting too much”: I realize with this comment I’ve posted about a half-dozen or so this morning, but commenting is not a zero-sum game. No matter how many I post, your opportunities to post remain unchanged. Why not join in?) 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:27 | # (Especially as you consider mine “drivel.” Why not set me straight? I’d love it if you did.) 28
Posted by Bill on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:11 | # “Someone said at the fall of Soviet communism, that we, (the West) had arrived at the end of history, which I take as meaning this is as good as it gets - there is no more.” (—Bill) “My view? It was the (fill in the blank) _______ who pushed that “End of History”.... Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sunday, June 15, 2008 at 01:13 PM | #
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Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:31 | # Everyone should check out this guys videos on YouTube. He is dynamite, just an average Joe WN who is fed up with all the bullshit. 30
Posted by .357 on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:29 | # Thanks for providing that link, Captainchaos. It was well worth the look. Part 2 is equally interesting: 32
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:50 | # Fred is right. Francis Fukuyama is a recovering neocon. 33
Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:51 | # Here is a short video of a British lady who gets it. She is also a supporter of the BNP. Have any of you Brits made the acquaintance of this winsome lass? More people are waking up everyday. 35
Posted by EA (European American) Steve on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:50 | # Elitist, you are using fallacies. Firstly, money and material gain is not what is most important to us. Your suggestion that we abandon the long-term interests of our children and co-ethnics is very short-sighted and selfish. I would rather ensure the well-being and survival of my descendents and co-ethnics than waste everything on mere pleasure and short-term gain. I would rather have healthy and happy children than an over-priced sportscar. Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. Is this becuase: Your fallacy sounds quite snobbish, and inaccurate with the point. It is true, the working class do tend to be more conservative and ethnocentric. However, to say we want our people to survive, as a result of whatever snobbish sterotypes you may hold, is beyond arrogant and false. Our alleged “deficiencies” are a mere distraction, and (even if they were true) do not take away from our right to self-preservation and pursuit of happiness. P.S. Do you even know why I am a White Preservationist? Take a guess, and it’s not because I am poor “White trash,” as you insinuated. 36
Posted by Bert Rustle on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:15 | # Via gatesofvienna, an American Thinker article Why Irish Voters Rejected the Lisbon Treaty which contains many before and after linked comments of those in the Euro Ruling Class. A useful reference. 37
Posted by 2R on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:48 | # “That will only come with the rise of a viable nationalist ideology.” (-GW) Yes, I agree, but what do you mean by this? To me, this must be more than just each Euro State forming its own BNP-like party and running in elections. NO, this must be an ideology that has the ability to sweep across Eurodom. Its too late for anything less. It must be an ideology that people can actually “live.” IOW, it must be a lifestyle, not just a belief system. It must be part spiritual faith, part geopolitical vision, part motivational, and part lifestyle. It needs to fill the hole in the average Europeans life that football, antidepressants, beer, TV, sex, etc hasn’t been able to do. It must provide an all encompassing feeling of clarity to the practitioners of this ideology. After people come to realize it, all of life will be simple afterwords. It must provide a platform in which people can feel they’re life matters and feel as if they’re “living again.” 38
Posted by Bill on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:28 | # Bert Russel -above. It’s a coming Bert - it’s called Peak Oil. 39
Posted by Bill on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:38 | # Reply to Bert Rustle (07.15am) - above. Sorry. I don’t know happened there, it should of course been a reply to 2R. (16.06.2008 - 08.48am) - Bill 40
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:07 | # Browsing the web a bit just now, I happened to see this letter to The Telegraph by a British reader in Uganda signing as “John Storm”:
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:21 | # (Sorry, I don’t know how “Uganda” crept into the picture — I just looked at the link and it doesn’t say it. What I had a look at originally was the Google “cached” version of John Storm’s letter, then I clicked on the original version at the web-site to get the URL. Maybe something extraneous about Uganda on the cached page mitakenly caught my eye. But the important thing is the man’s got it right: race-replacement is being carried out deliberately by the powers-that-be. People have to understand that. If people understand nothing else, they have to understand that. This is not happening by accident or by some unstoppable force of nature. It’s being done by men, just like you and me, and being done deliberately. It can easily be stopped but people have to require it be stopped, or it won’t be, then everyone will rue the day it ever started.) 42
Posted by GT on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:02 | #
H. Monetarus Race: Europid. Class: Wealthy/upper middle-class. Morality: Dual, private and public. In-group: 1. Class- and race-based. Out-group: Underclass Europids. Politics: 1. Monetarist.
This man is not self-hating. He’s incapable of guilt, except for lost financial opportunities. Not only do accusations of “race traitor” bounce off of him, he will grab the term and wear it as a badge of honor to further his financial goals. “Elitist” resembles the one I call Mr. Purdue, aka Scimitar/Prozak/Fade. Not saying that he is, of course, only that there’s a moral resemblence. 44
Posted by GT on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:03 | #
Gee, I’m suddenly overcome by the need to snipe. It must be due to my rural white trash hillbilly origins. Hey Dung Beetle, Class nepotism, easy money, a flexible morality, scapegoating underclass Europids, and joining the winning side does not equal gumption and smarts. Joining the elite, ya me-tooing molder ‘n roller, is easy. Opposing the elite on the ground takes gumption. Smarts will be decided following the end game. 45
Posted by Svigor on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:47 | # Posted by 2R on Monday, June 16, 2008 at 08:48 AM | # In other words, a religion, or religions. I tend to agree. 46
Posted by melba peachtoast on Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:38 | #
Wellllll, “Elitist”, you make an interesting point, anti though you are. Who are the elite? How are they chosen? You aren’t going to like the answer. 47
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:29 | # Richard North and Neil O’Brien have drawn up an “Abandon Lisbon” e-petition at the official Downing Street petition site. You can sign up here:- 48
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:02 | # For those whose high-school or college French hasn’t rusted too badly yet: Giscard (who headed the group that wrote the constitution whose rejection led to the Lisbon monstrosity) explains how the E.U. has every intention of making Ireland vote again after certain planned bribes will have had a chance to work, and if it votes “No” again, of simply ignoring Ireland and forging ahead anyway: http://www.fdesouche.com/?p=3721 By the way, here’s the other side’s plan for France’s new and vastly improved demographics: 90% pure Sub-Saharan African Negro, 5% Maghrebian mulatto, 4.99% mystery-meat that no one can figure out what it is, and 0.01% white but only age 70-and-above permitted to be shown, with mentally-retarded-looking white grandkids. (Hey at least they’re coming right out and telling us their plan, so it’s not like, say, you went to a hear a speech by Kai Murros and they switched the featured speaker to Buckwheat Zydeco … They’re actually telling you what they’re going to do to Frenchmen, which, hey I like that, it’s kinda decent of them, sorta the way al Zarqawi told that guy in the orange jumpsuit what he was going to do before videotaping it … hey it demonstrates they don’t have a total disregard for the feelings of others …) 49
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:16 | # Excellent commentary on the Irish vote and the E.U.‘s intention to find a way around it or simply break the rules and ignore it, by BrusselsJournal.com’s Martin Helme. In the last sentences he calls for revolution. Seeing that did my heart good. 50
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:49 | # I’ve seen several such calls for revolution since the Irish vote. What is happening here is that the stirring old ideas of classical liberalism are being dusted off and pressed into service, the folks doing the dusting not realising that the freedom they desire is - and always was - tainted by individualism. The very best that could be got from it is still not going to offer a clear break with ethno-suicidalism, the complex roots of which quite escape the classical liberal analysis. But Brussels Journal has never been capable of entering this territory. 51
Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:16 | # “The very best that could be got from it is still not going to offer a clear break with ethno-suicidalism…” How about racialist social democracy? 52
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:35 | # That could do it, cc. But the problem with the last effort was its palingeneticism. The striving to become is no good. Leads to several layers of unreality. Kills people. Consumes itself. In other words, National Socialism combines the usual poles of being (social justice) <> becoming (heroic rebirth), and the Cainite, heroic pole proved murderous and self-destructive. Without the heroism, though ... without striving and glory, it becomes difficult to articulate any kind of vision at all. This, essentially, is why traditionalism and conservatism cannot withstand the power of the becoming (radical individualist) principle in liberalism - which is also killing us. The problem is also that European philosophy, and nationalist philosophy in particular, has pretty much always been given to idealism. A philosophy constructed out of the Salterian ethic would not fly. It would be honest, and it would be unimpeachably true. But it would engage no one, and transform nothing. Find me the answer. 53
Posted by Endgame on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:57 | # “In the last sentences he calls for revolution.” Here’s hoping it will look something like this: 54
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:14 | # Regarding Endgame’s comment, it’s important to remember — never, ever lose sight of this — that none of this is happening by itself but all, ALL OF IT, is calculated behind the scenes and is being forced deliberately by criminals in government who stand to gain by it and think they can get away with it endlessly, and the people doing this to us are exactly the same kinds of people, with exactly the same mentality and the same totalitarian bent, as the people surrounding Ceausescu who were doing it to the Romanian people. (In Europe, in many cases they’re literally the same individuals.) They’re the same paper tigers and can be overthrown and chased away in the same manner if need be (namely, if they continue to turn our reasonable entreaties a deaf ear, continue to make the rules as they go, continue to brazenly ignore the results of elections and referendums, etc.). Number one: non-violent change is our side’s fervent wish; number two: the massed public protest demonstrations that brought down the Eastern-European communist governments, 1989-1991, were for the most part non-violent, and if working through the system fails, as working through the communist system did for the ‘89ers, we can emulate them, the 1989ers, with the same hope and expectation of success; number three: as long as the internet is open to us we have a chance; number four: if the other side finally shuts off our access to the internet it will be time to take it to the streets with everything we’ve got, no matter whether non-violent or violent in that case because at that point the garrote will be around our neck and we’ll be staring our side’s death in the face with only seconds to live. Number five: the Tian An Men protesters (who were protesting their government’s importation of Negroes from Africa for the purpose of shagging all the Chinese women while telling the complaining Chinese men to shut up and learn to love it because it wasn’t going to change) ... well, whatever we do let’s not end up like them, shall we? Whatever mistake they made, let’s not repeat it. There’s an old warning to those who have rebellion on their minds, “Who strikes the king must kill the king.” Never forget that either. 55
Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:21 | # “Find me an answer.” Salterian universal nationalism has to be sold as glorious. Grand visions are what inspire people. We need a muscular resistance, but how to do this without wanton cruelty and unnecessary bloodshed? We need to sell the struggle as only being glorious if it is conducted in a gentlemanly fashion. We need to sell the idea that final victory will be dishonorably tainted (no glory without honor) and fatally flawed (it would be unsustainable and short lived) if the means employed to achieve it are not just. Salterian universal nationalism is not sexy. Spice it up. Keep it vague. Let the people project their dearest desires and dreams onto that glorious future with the important caveat that these can only be achieved in the context of the peace and justice that Salterian univeral nationalism alone will provide. Who knows what progress we Euros can realize once we are free to nuture the life of our people? 56
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:40 | # cc, Philosophy works the other way round. You begin with ultimate value - literally what is good in life - and reason onward to a final product. You can’t say, “Well, let’s have some glory.” If glory is your ultimate value, then you philosophise on that teleological foundation. Salterian nationalism is solidly ontological, flowing from the ultimate value of ethnic genetic interest. The suggestion has been made by JW Holliday that Yockeyism can be bolted on to Salterism to provide something to which people can aspire. But, again, that’s really a utilitarian methodology, and not how living philosophies emerge. Post a comment:
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Posted by Bert Rustle on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:14 | #
Guessedworker wrote ... Today we raise a glass to the health and good sense of the Irish. ... We do indeed! The Irish have given a seed of hope to Western Civilisation, as they did many hundreds of years ago.