Posted by Bert Rustle on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:14 | #

Guessedworker wrote ... Today we raise a glass to the health and good sense of the Irish. ... We do indeed! The Irish have given a seed of hope to Western Civilisation, as they did many hundreds of years ago.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:16 | #

Cheers then, Bert.

I was intrigued to read this remark from Telegraph blogger Bruno Waterfield:-

Today there are two sides in Europe: Us versus them. The progressives versus the reactionaries who believe that EU referendums should only have one answer, Yes.

The Irish have spoken, and struck a blow, for all of us, Britons, French, Dutch, all of us Europeans, who are sick of the way we are ruled. It does not have to be the way our rulers tell us it is. Once, politics was about left and right, today a new division is opening up between those accept the elite view of the world and those who demand something different.

Waterfield then links his anti-elite argument to the matters on which David Davis is taking his stand:-

The root of Ireland’s No lies in the dismissal of the capacities of the people by the elites. The climate that diminishes the role assigned to people has fostered the EU alongside the explosion of petty officialdom’s interference into our personal lives and the rise of the surveillance state across Europe.

The Irish No, like the French and Dutch EU rejections of three years ago, is massively significant. It is an embryonic glimmer of a new politics of opposition.

If it matures into something powerful, this development of a popular, multi-pronged oppositon to plutarchy will be immensely heartening for all those who love our people, our culture, our countries, and find it astonishing, even inexplicable that so much that is final and unspeakably wrong has been happening to them.  All of that evil has its nidus in the philosophy and politics of our age and the elites those things have spawned.  The Irish vote against Lisbon and the actions of one man outside the Commons yesterday are of a kind in that they both accord with the people’s true interests.  They are anti-elitist ... but they are not yet anti-liberal.  That will only come with the rise of a viable nationalist ideology.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:46 | #

Meanwhile on Gordon Brown’s fantasy island nothing much has changed at all:-

Gordon Brown will press ahead with ratification of the EU treaty even if, as now seems inevitable, the Irish announce later this afternoon that the treaty has been rejected in a referendum.

Pushing the European Union (amendment) bill through parliament has been politically damaging. But the bill has now cleared almost all its key stages in the Commons and the Lords and Downing Street seems to think that it would be pointless to drop it now.

Brown is also keen to honour the promise he has given to other EU leaders to ratify the treaty by the end of this year. The bill will have its third reading in the House of Lords on June 18, it will receive royal assent shortly afterwards, and the UK’s formal ratification of the treaty will take place later in the summer.

First, I don’t think it matters legally whether we ratify or not, because if Ireland doesn’t ratify the Treaty cannot come into effect on the scheduled date in January 2009.  The Irish rejection has to be resolved or the Treaty is forfeit.  It does not remain live for the 26 ratifying nations.

Second, let us savour again that Downing Street insider’s smug word in the ear of the Guardian’s Andrew Sparrow:-

Brown is also keen to honour the promise he has given to other EU leaders to ratify the treaty by the end of this year.

Bear in mind how keen he has been to honour Labour’s 2005 election pledge on a Referendum on the Constitution.  But bear in mind also that Stuart Wheeler might yet have inflicted a third blow against elitism - at least, high-handed British political elitism - in his two days in court this week.  Judgement was reserved because, given its constitutional implications, the judges (there are two) have to weigh the case with the greatest care.

We should hear in the next 7 to 10 days, I suppose.

Posted by Hibernia Girl on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:49 | #

At first glance, it looks as though at least some groups in a few regions of the country may have voted with immigration issues in mind—at least in the sense that many Irish people feel that they’re loosing job opportunities to immigrants from the EU.  For instance, areas like south and southwest Dublin (second map here) as well as Cork City—all of which have large immigrant populations—had some of the highest No vote returns.

Posted by Foxbark on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:34 | #

The EU is fundamentally and constitutionally profoundly undemocratic.
  Europeans (other than the British) are beginning to realise this.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:23 | #

Czech president says Lisbon Treaty project is over:-

The Czechs have hammered another nail into the coffin of the Lisbon treaty by declaring that ratification must stop.

Czech president Vaclav Klaus, who is supported by the country’s largest political party, called the Irish referendum vote a “victory of freedom and reason” and said “ratification cannot continue”.

His view was echoed in the Czech senate.

“Politicians have allowed the citizens to express their opinion only in a single EU country,” Mr Klaus said. “The Lisbon treaty project ended with the Irish voters’ decision and its ratification cannot continue,” he wrote on his own website, according to Czech news agency CTK.

The resounding Irish no was a “victory of freedom and reason over artificial elitist projects and European bureaucracy,” he said.

Premysl Sobotka, Czech senate chairman, also said there was “no sense” continuing with ratification, according to the agency.

The Czech Republic, traditionally one of the more Euro-skeptic of the EU’s 27 member states, is one of nine countries which have not yet ratified the treaty.

While little opposition to continued ratification has been seen yet among leaders of the other eight, efforts to keep the Lisbon Treaty alive in any form would be near impossible if another country joined Ireland in rejection.

A summit of EU leaders will look for possible solutions to the institutional crisis next week.

Posted by Revolution Harry on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:01 | #

For sober analysis of anything relating to the EU I recommend the EU Referendum blog.

After next week, the flurry of media attention will die down and, over the summer - away from the prying eyes of the hacks - the “colleagues” will be hard at work. They will be stitching up the “bridging instrument” which will enable the treaty to go ahead with 26 member states, with provision for the Irish quietly to re-enter the fold at a later stage. By October, it will all be done and dusted.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2008/06/mild-headache.html

Posted by Svigor on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:50 | #

So Europeans aren’t being asked how their future will go…they’re being told how their future will go…and they haven’t burned much to the ground over the matter…

That tells you how their future will go…

As long as they’re kept at (intolerable -1) people seem okay with whatever…

Slavery just doesn’t seem to bother them much.  Long as you don’t call it that.

Posted by Svigor on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:53 | #

BUT it is nice to see that, for the record, they’ve said no, before being told yes.  It’s nice to have an obvious record.

Posted by Englander on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:21 | #

The blatancy with which the politicians talk about going ahead with the Lisbon treaty/constitution despite the ‘no’ vote is astonishing to me.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:52 | #

They will “amend” - meaning break - their own laws to do it.  And they must do it, because their creed (anti-nationalism - it isn’t liberalism any longer, of left or right, because these people know they’re not making anyone “free”) is like a shark.  It cannot swim backwards.  If it stops swimming forwards it will suffocate.

What they should know, though, is that the more they walk roughshod over the will of the people, the less legitimacy attaches to their creation.  And, really, what legitimacy can the enslaving of free national constituencies - peoples - ever have?  We are if not at liberty under the present dispensation then perfectly free morally to overturn the entire structure - the racial and cultural elements included.

Posted by Bill on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:41 | #

There is no pretence any more, the mask is off - revealing naked dictatorship.

Brown doesn’t care anymore, he knows he is toast so what the hell - go for broke and history.  Perhaps we’re entering the beginning of the endgame of total absorption into the spider’s web - how far will their totalitarism go?  Any sign of the gulags yet? 

These people must be held to account one day.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:23 | #

Well, at Home Office Questions on 11th March the Prisons Minister answered a written submission from a Tory MP as follows: “The Government have announced a programme to provide an additional 20,000 prison places and increase overall capacity to just over 96,000 by 2014. The programme has already provided 2,162 places, and will provide a further 2,409 places this year.”

20,000 places represents a 25% increase in prison capacity (which is already fully taken up, with early release schemes a commonplace).  In my view, this represents an attempt to keep pace with the criminality of the MultiCult.  So your answer is, Bill, no sign at the moment of any plans to deal with political dissent.  Svi’s comment in respect of “intolerable -1” sums up the position pretty fairly, I think.

The BNP is running a story on the demise of Britain’s farmers.  They are using the word “dispossession”, which I have not seen them use before:-

What we are witnessing is a process that extends far beyond mere immigration, far beyond colonisation even – it’s nothing short of a criminal conspiracy to dispossess our children of their country!

I’ve been hammering on for some time about the party moving away from anti-Islamification and advocating resistance - political, of course - to what I’ve termed elsewhere the Four Horsement of the English Apolocalypse: marginalisation, displacement, dispossession, deracination.

Would such a strategy work?  Judge for yourself.  The BNP article links to this Evening Standard piece.  Here are the reader comments:-

Has any one got a loaf and two fishes or two loaves and a fish //along with a few billion more gallons of drinking water!! God help our children we have failed them.

- Terence Oakes, Prescot Liverpool

This horrible prediction is the best recruitment tool BNP could ever wish for.

- John, London

The demise of such a proud and wonderful country is imminent. Enoch Powell was such a great visionary!
It looks like the same thing that happened to Rhodesia some 30 years ago and is now the “basket Case” of Africa”. History repeating itself for sure!

- John Clarke, London, Canada

Allowing the colonisation of this once great nation is treason but instead of punishing these ideologically driven fanatics, it is ordinary people who are in fact being criminalised for politically correct trivia.

- Keith Simpson, Wareham, Dorset

This is supposed to be a democracy - so how come, if most people think enough is enough, that the situation continues to get worse by the day?

- Haskey, London SE1

If you are all so wound up about immigration get out on the streets and demonstrate.

Or are you scared that you might offend someone?

- Casper Slides, Ibiza, Spain

To Dave. We are a third world country. Our culture has been diminished whilst the rights of minorities are paramount. Rubbish collection in many areas has been cut back leading to an increase in fly tipping and rats, typical of many third world countries. The decrease in rubbish collection is promoted as a “green” measure, but the Government forget their green credentials when they are trying to concrete over every last bit of green belt land to house immigrants. Oh, and we’ve all got to use less water, because now the population is growing, there isn’t enough. Hospital cleanliness is definitely third world.

- Ab, London

My perch is available, I left thank goodness, quite a long time ago at that.

When I see from my own visits and read in the media what England (and the UK) is becoming I’m filled with a terrible rage at what’s going on in the land of my birth and raising whether on this subject or many others.

It’s a good job I left, I’d probably get locked up by the PC brigade otherwise.

P.S. Gordon Brown: the Irish voted NO to the EU and also saved you over the 42 day fiasco: take a hint (or three).

- Stan(Expat), USA

Why do some people commenting here think that England is an island.

- Patrick Clarke, Milton Keynes England

The unbelievable criminality of this passes beyond belief.
But it has to said and repeated again and again that the sheer inert passivity of the native English is the real issue here not the immigrants coming in.
There is very definitely something fundamentally wrong with English attitudes and the way they think. This is the main issue. But it does not alter the fact that the people promoting this colonisation are criminals, they just have not been charged yet.

- Graham, London

Putting this story together with the story of the dozen illegals living in the man’s ceiling - paints a very scary future for England….you’re looking down the barrel of becoming a 3rd world country.

- Dave Barber, Los Angeles, CA

This smacks more of colonisation rather than immigration.

- Maureen, Florida USA

Your are an island and can do something to stem the flow.
Don’t let Europe rule Britannia.

- Gew, Hamilton, Canada

Well they can have my space. As soon as I have the qualifications I need I’m off somewhere sunnier where they don’t pay most of their money in tax and they have enough pride in their country to stand up for themselves.

- Mark, London, UK

What cheerful news.
As we are powerless to stop this madness can I make a personal plea to all those coming over to at least make an effort to learn to speak English? I already feel like a stranger in my own country.

- Steve, London

I’m heading for retirement in a few years’ time. Whilst on holiday in Portugal recently, I spotted a few reasonably priced properties, maybe I will finally have to accept that to retain any standard of living, I will have to spend my retirement abroad. I do not recognise this country any more.

- Yvonne, Doncaster, UK

We have rising unemployment and a slowdown in economic growth that could turn into full blown recession. The government brag about their green credentials, yet want to concrete over the green belt to house immigrants. The government blame unemployed British people for being unemployable as many are poorly educated - and yet schools tell us they cannot cope with a tide of immigrants who cannot speak English who lower educational standards for everyone else. Enough is enough. Let’s close our borders to all but the highly skilled and educated.

- Ab, London

Immigration is a good thing provided that it’s controlled, especially economic migrants, I work in IT and some of my colleagues are immigrants from China, Australia, India and New Zealand, each of them is incredibly bright and a real asset to the company (and the economy), they all pay their way and have homes here, most intend or already have permanent residential status which can only be a good thing.
The problem in the UK seems to be that you can come in on a working visa or under EU citizenship and then just disappear into the system or claim benefits, this is the problem that needs solving, it’s partially immigration but more about the giant flaws in the system which allow people to get in the first place and then exploit the system. We should do as Australia and America have done and introduce a sponsorship system whereby a company or institution is liable for your whereabouts at all times.

- Lil Ardwork, London

The status quo will remain - just the number of hard working English people will move to nicer, law abiding countries where you can still accidentally drop a few crumbs from a sausage roll on the ground and not be given a criminal record.

- Graham, Reading, England

More immigrants, more taxes, that’s the real reason for this massive push. Should this indeed happen: Britain must ensure the quality of these immigrants instead of primarily accepting unskilled people. If immigration is done properly it can strengthen a country, just like how America flourished through immigration, however, if it is done improperly it the consequences are irreversible.

- Brandon Thomas, London UK

What I have predicted for many years now is that our land of milk and honey will by 2030 no longer be seen as such. Anglo Saxons will have left the UK for pastures new abroad leaving their homeland to the immigrants who will then wake up one day to see a country in complete and utter ruins. Only then will they realise that the land of milk and honey is no more!

- Nigel, Watford

Thank Goodness for immigration without it the country would grind to a halt as at least they have a great work ethic.

- Q, London

Why does England “have to” squeeze in all these people?
What happens if we don’t?
Will our country fall apart if we don’t?
Insanity.
And as someone else says here I will seriously consider voting for ANY party who promise to stop this.

- Billybob, London

People write on this site and wring their hands as to the unacceptability of it all. How many are prepared to do something, such as protest?

- Roy G, Solihull, England

It’s a shame for people who flee here in terror (and even for other reasons), but we should put the people already here first and not take anyone, Geneva Convention or otherwise.

- Mike, Merseyside

This lovely sceptred isle. This green paradise. Always protected by its water boundary from much of the folly that has occurred elsewhere. But now, with Government (both Labour and Conservative parties) intent on giving away its status as an independent country, things are running out of control. A population target set not any more by London but by the de facto central government on the Continent—but made to appear as if London still has a say and some control. Starting with Maastricht, the subsequent Treaties (Amsterdam and Nice) have give more and more of the sovereign rights away. The misnamed Lisbon “Treaty” (EU Constitution) will formally create a federal state, with the U.K. becoming a province. Provinces don’t control their borders; central governments control their, i.e. the countries’, borders. This is why a large expense is being put into creating a border along the eastern edge of the new E.U. country; this was covered by the BBC a few months back.

In the result, moaning over the expected massive increase of people on this island is going to do little good. The power has gone from London to do anything about it. A person entering the E.U. through Spain or Lithuania already has a right of free movement among the Member States (read: “provinces”). That right came with the Maastricht Treaty. Also the right to get U.K. support payments for a family back home in another province. Power to set its own future is gone for the U.K.

- Phil Jones, London UK

WHY?

Doesn’t this Government understand, there is no more room for any more spongers to live here. For God’s sake we are barely surviving at the moment without more coming over.

The whole network is going to collapse. There must be something we can do to stop this.

- Phil Jordan, Maidstone Kent

A very simple solution would be not to let anybody else in until we’ve managed to get rid of anybody who shouldn’t be here, the infrastructure is put right so that the indigenous population get priority in all things and the benefit system is totally overhauled to ensure that people come to the England for the right reasons.

- Mark, South-East London

Sorry but this is totally unacceptable. Action - hard action - has to be taken right now. Our borders must close immediately. The far right parties will be rubbing their hands at these horrific and alarming predictions.

- Gary, Wycombe

“... 191,000 a year to the population, according to current Government figures.”

Well you can immediately double that and then multiply by your favourite number. This government does not count extended family, it only counts the head of the family. The government currently has no idea who or how many people are in this country, let alone are able to control immigration.

- Frank, Home Counties, England.

Surely the population is 60million now!

- Stephen D., London England.

Big mistake. We don’t have room. And walking into town now and hearing people speak foreign languages all around me, I can see we’re becoming a minority in our own country.

I don’t recognise this country any more.

- S, Kent

Vote for the party that vows to stop immigration.

- Frederick, London

So, is there some promise here for pushing on beyond “the glass ceiling”.  Nothing to lose in trying, I’d say.  But, then, the leadership would have to be interested in serious ideas, not in what GT calls “easy-money on-line racialism”.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:17 | #

Anyone who hasn’t must now read Vladimir Bukovsky’s interview and speech (from two years ago but still timely).  This well-known former Soviet Russian dissident knows what he is talking about. 

Here’s the speech’s closing:

Today’s situation is really grim.  Major political parties have been completely taken in by the new EU project.  None of them really opposes it.  They have become very corrupt.  Who is going to defend our freedoms?  It looks like we are heading towards some kind of collapse, some kind of crisis.  The most likely outcome is that there will be an economic collapse in Europe, which in due time is bound to happen with this growth of expenses and taxes.  The inability to create a competitive environment, the overregulation of the economy, the bureaucratisation, it is going to lead to economic collapse.  Particularly the introduction of the euro was a crazy idea.  Currency is not supposed to be political.

I have no doubt about it.  There will be a collapse of the European Union pretty much like the Soviet Union collapsed.  But do not forget that when these things collapse they leave such devastation that it takes a generation to recover.  Just think what will happen if it comes to an economic crisis.  The recrimination between nations will be huge.  It might come to blows.  Look to the huge number of immigrants from Third World countries now living in Europe.  This was promoted by the European Union.  What will happen with them if there is an economic collapse?  We will probably have, like in the Soviet Union at the end, so much ethnic strife that the mind boggles.  In no other country were there such ethnic tensions as in the Soviet Union, except probably in Yugoslavia.  So that is exactly what will happen here, too.  We have to be prepared for that.  This huge edifice of bureaucracy is going to collapse on our heads.

This is why, and I am very frank about it, the sooner we finish with the EU the better.  The sooner it collapses the less damage it will have done to us and to other countries.  But we have to be quick because the Eurocrats are moving very fast.  It will be difficult to defeat them.  Today it is still simple.  If one million people march on Brussels today these guys will run away to the Bahamas.  If tomorrow half of the British population refuses to pay its taxes, nothing will happen and no-one will go to jail.  Today you can still do that.  But I do not know what the situation will be tomorrow with a fully fledged Europol staffed by former Stasi or Securitate officers.  Anything may happen.

We are losing time.  We have to defeat them.  We have to sit and think, work out a strategy in the shortest possible way to achieve maximum effect.  Otherwise it will be too late. 

So what should I say?  My conclusion is not optimistic.  So far, despite the fact that we do have some anti-EU forces in almost every country, it is not enough.  We are losing and we are wasting time.

Posted by Elitist on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:07 | #

“In any case, the elites’ response is for tomorrow.  Today we raise a glass to the health and good sense of the Irish.”

You criticize the business elite, media elite, and the political elite constantly. Is the presumption that readers of MR won’t be among the elite? The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes?

Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. Is this becuase:
a. They come into more contact with the (generally poorer) members of other races and so have a clearer view.
b. They feel unsuccessful and search for alternative explanations for their place in society.

Posted by Bill on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 08:38 | #

What’s it all about Alfie?

It really is an intriguing question, why are the British so passive in their reaction to the dire threat that they face?  In fact, this must be the most mystifying questions of this century.  I think we must ask our elites because as sure as hell they must know, otherwise they wouldn’t be so damned arrogant and confident in everything they do.

I’ve said it before and I’II say it again, and I know it isn’t popular to a lot of people to hear.  It is a malaise which I really cannot articulate rationally, because I think my reasoning enters the realms of religion ( Christianity)  I am not and never have been a believer in the Christian sense, (so to speak) other than I do believe in living my life in a certain way, (do unto others etc)

Someone said at the fall of Soviet communism, that we, (the West) had arrived at the end of history, which I take as meaning this is as good as it gets - there is no more.

In a way I think this sums it up, whether people out there even think about I don’t know, but the bottom line is I don’t think that most people give a damn, and that if this is as good as it gets then sod it - let’s go.  It simply isn’t worth saving - you can stuff it.  Or maybe, on a more mundane level, it is because we are leaderless, not surprising since our natural leaders have declared war against us.  What a strange world we live in, maybe it’s this postmodernism business.

Posted by Darren on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:38 | #

The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes?

First off, the elites are not always smart. Many of the elites are people with average and sometimes even below average scholastic records. It is a myth to say that elite people are elite because they were promoted based on merit when the reality is that it is often sufficent enough to merely inherit that status.

Second, I could care less about how intelligent and hard-working some elites are. Do you admire the National Socialists in WWII Germany for their intelligence and hard work getting in power and maintaining their power? I doubt it. I would hardly look up towards our elites because I feel their ideologies are destructive and genocidal to my people. They lack what true leaders have: vision. The elites of today are more concerned with power and wealth than they are with the future.

Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes.

I’m not a member of the wealthy class, but I’m hardly from the poor or working class either. I am college educated and make a comfortable salary.

b. They feel unsuccessful and search for alternative explanations for their place in society.

On the contrary, I am successful by most of society’s definitions. I feel that the current order of things gives me an empty life; there is something greater out there. I feel that part of the realization of higher forms is to understand the genetic mechanics behind race that society so utterly denies. Most enjoy worshiping the shadows in the cave.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:41 | #

To the commenter signing as “Elitist”:  Is there any downside to forcing, as our élites are doing, the race-replacement of Euros with non-Euros (by flooding the place with non-Euros and forbidding Euros to object)?  Your comment seems to boil down to “Why not join the winning side?”  Yes they are the winning side — so far — but there are such things as right and wrong, normal and degenerate, moral and immoral, stuff like that .... ever hear of any of that?

Right, didn’t think so ............

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:48 | #

The élites in France in the 1700s didn’t do such a good job running that country and ended up, every one of them, in the guillotine.  They were the winning side too, for a time (and then came the lower-downs’ turn, you might say ....).

Posted by Proofreader on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:05 | #

Elitist:

Elites are smart until they believe they can outsmart everybody but finally turn out to be on the losing side: see how the French aristocracy fell in the 1789 Revolution for an example. They didn’t even see it coming, like Scrooby says.

To answer your question, MR posters and commenters don’t criticize elites because they envy them, but rather because they despise them. Why would anybody admire a class of people who betray their own people? Even worse are those of the elites who pretend to belong to the majority population, while pursuing their petty ethnocentric goals.

And where did you get the idea that MR’ers come from the lower classes? The opposite seems to be true. If you’re looking for “white trash” (as you no doubt would put it) to look down upon,  you’re in the wrong place.

Now, some of the regulars at MR might be concerned about losing status, due to the alliance between said treacherous elites and the alien hordes besieging us,  or are afraid their children will suffer the consequences of mass immigration.

If you find it illegitimate for a population to take a stand against its enemies, then you are denying our humanity and right to live.
That’s aiding and abetting genocide, Elitist.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:13 | #

“Someone said at the fall of Soviet communism, that we, (the West) had arrived at the end of history, which I take as meaning this is as good as it gets - there is no more.”  (—Bill)

My view?  It was the (fill in the blank) _______ who pushed that “End of History” nonsense, mainly by the (fill in the blank) _______<u>-owned</u> media touting Francis Fukuyama’s idiotic book.  That’s because the (fill in the blank) _______ think the post-60s U.S. — soulless, nationless, traditionless, identityless, race-replaced, etc. — is paradise (and it is paradise ... paradise for (fill in the blank) _______ ) and they fervently hope that same set-up they’ve managed to impose here will spread worldwide (they’ve got to get to where it’s that way everywhere, because if people see alternatives it might rock the boat as people get the idea they don’t have to live in a hellish nightmare). 

The way that game is played is you get things the way you want them in one country — in this case, the now-degenerate U.S.Kwa — and then do all you can to spread the rumor that history is stopped, ended, nothing else is going to happen, ever, and like spin-the-bottle or a stopped watch, it’s stopped right here where — well, whaddya know! — right here where the ones touting the “End of History” feel they’ve died and gone to (fill in the blank) ______<u>-Heaven</u>! 

When you catch onto their game it’s simple really.  (Of course it’s also one-hundred-percent bullshit but that part they conveniently forget to tell you.)

(Fukuyama, by the way, has fallen into disfavor with the (fill in the blank) ______ .  I forget why just now — he criticised Israel I think, something like that.  So much for his fifteen minutes of fame.  He’s basically a nobody now ... nobody’s heard of him since the (fill in the blank) _______ are no longer touting his stuff.)

Posted by Foxbark on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:40 | #

Elitist,
      The issue we are discussing here is purely and simply this - the subvertion of democracy - the same impulse that lay behind the American War of Independence, no less.
  If you actually bothered to study the history of the EU, the background to the Lisbon Treaty - in the thrice rejected ‘European Constitution’ project and actually understood that the leitmotif of the EU is and always has been ‘the will to power’ (to use Enoch’s quaint phrase) over either ignorant or browbeaten people to surrender hard fought rights and national sovereignty to a totalitarian super-state that at its core is run in distictively secretive, unrepresenatative and undemocratic way.
  What was rejected by the Irish was an attempt to create a pan-European army and a ‘European foreign minister’ an unacceptable step for a small vulnerable isolated nation off the west coast of Europe that shies away from embroilment in ‘continental wars’.

Elitist, actually try to understand the issues you damned shit-skinned paki, and not sling mud

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:04 | #

The Ambler has an excerpt up which gets into the immigration crisis from the class angle.  I don’t by any means agree with everything in this excerpt or, still less, in the original Tim Lott article from which it’s taken, but it does make its share of interesting and valid points.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:15 | #

By the way, does anyone have ideas on what Europe should do instead of the as-presently-constituted E.U. monstrosity?  Should it do nothing, neither the E.U. nor anything else in particular, and just be itself as it was circa, let’s say, 1955 (minus of course its colonies and minus Eastern European communism)?  Or should it do something to make itself bigger, stronger, more competitive in the world, but just not the E.U. as presently constituted?  (Normal Lowell’s multiregionalism, for instance?  Or something else specific?) 

In other words, we know what we don’t want — we don’t want the E.U. as presently constituted.  That’s out, it’s a non-starter, forget that, take it back to the drawing boards and start over because we do not intend to accept that crap.  Period.  Full stop. 

Well, exactly what is it we do want?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:23 | #

“Normal Lowell’s multiregionalism, for instance?”

I keep writing Normal Lowell for some reason.  Must be because I see him as an island of normalness in an ocean of degenerateness.  Or maybe because I’m so impatient to see his ideas implemented, I start writing his last name before I’m finished writing his first.  But whatever the reason, and exceedingly normal guy though he is, and howver impatient I am to see his ideas bear fruit, it’s of course Norman Lowell.  (He’s a great public speaker, by the way — I love watching his speeches.)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:22 | #

Above, I asked what readers wanted for Europe’s nations, in place of the E.U. monstrosity.  Here JWH sets out some specifics of what he wants not for Europe but the U.S.  (Of course, if the U.S. implements these it’ll no longer be the U.S., which would be GREAT!)  (At least now I know whom to vote for for president in November:  I’m writing in JWH’s name on my ballot.)
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(To Troll Watch, who’s got me nervous about “posting too much”:  I realize with this comment I’ve posted about a half-dozen or so this morning, but commenting is not a zero-sum game.  No matter how many I post, your opportunities to post remain unchanged.  Why not join in?)

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:27 | #

(Especially as you consider mine “drivel.”  Why not set me straight?  I’d love it if you did.)

Posted by Bill on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:11 | #

“Someone said at the fall of Soviet communism, that we, (the West) had arrived at the end of history, which I take as meaning this is as good as it gets - there is no more.” (—Bill)

“My view?  It was the (fill in the blank) _______ who pushed that “End of History”....

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sunday, June 15, 2008 at 01:13 PM | #

Fred - Thanks, never thought of that, I simply cannot get my brain to work that way - must try harder.

Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:31 | #

Everyone should check out this guys videos on YouTube.  He is dynamite, just an average Joe WN who is fed up with all the bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ksRZnkOmes&feature=related

Posted by .357 on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:29 | #

Thanks for providing that link, Captainchaos. It was well worth the look. Part 2 is equally interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnXJ1PN4w98&feature=related

Posted by .357 on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:43 | #

Part 3 is excellent also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GYUmWH94sA&watch;_response

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:50 | #

Fred is right.  Francis Fukuyama is a recovering neocon.

Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:51 | #

Here is a short video of a British lady who gets it.  She is also a supporter of the BNP.  Have any of you Brits made the acquaintance of this winsome lass?

More people are waking up everyday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?=VsA_Xo4tqM&feature=related

Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:02 | #

Oops, see if this works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM&feature=related

Posted by EA (European American) Steve on Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:50 | #

Elitist, you are using fallacies. Firstly, money and material gain is not what is most important to us. Your suggestion that we abandon the long-term interests of our children and co-ethnics is very short-sighted and selfish. I would rather ensure the well-being and survival of my descendents and co-ethnics than waste everything on mere pleasure and short-term gain. I would rather have healthy and happy children than an over-priced sportscar.

Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. Is this becuase:
a. They come into more contact with the (generally poorer) members of other races and so have a clearer view.
b. They feel unsuccessful and search for alternative explanations for their place in society.

Your fallacy sounds quite snobbish, and inaccurate with the point. It is true, the working class do tend to be more conservative and ethnocentric. However, to say we want our people to survive, as a result of whatever snobbish sterotypes you may hold, is beyond arrogant and false. Our alleged “deficiencies” are a mere distraction, and (even if they were true) do not take away from our right to self-preservation and pursuit of happiness.

P.S. Do you even know why I am a White Preservationist? Take a guess, and it’s not because I am poor “White trash,” as you insinuated.

Posted by Bert Rustle on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:15 | #

Via gatesofvienna, an American Thinker article Why Irish Voters Rejected the Lisbon Treaty which contains many before and after linked comments of those in the Euro Ruling Class. A useful reference.

Posted by 2R on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:48 | #

“That will only come with the rise of a viable nationalist ideology.” (-GW)

Yes, I agree, but what do you mean by this?  To me, this must be more than just each Euro State forming its own BNP-like party and running in elections.

NO, this must be an ideology that has the ability to sweep across Eurodom.  Its too late for anything less. It must be an ideology that people can actually “live.”  IOW, it must be a lifestyle, not just a belief system. It must be part spiritual faith, part geopolitical vision, part motivational, and part lifestyle.  It needs to fill the hole in the average Europeans life that football, antidepressants, beer, TV, sex, etc hasn’t been able to do. It must provide an all encompassing feeling of clarity to the practitioners of this ideology. After people come to realize it, all of life will be simple afterwords. It must provide a platform in which people can feel they’re life matters and feel as if they’re “living again.”

Posted by Bill on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:28 | #

Bert Russel -above.

It’s a coming Bert - it’s called Peak Oil.

Posted by Bill on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:38 | #

Reply to Bert Rustle (07.15am) - above.  Sorry.

I don’t know happened there, it should of course been a reply to 2R. (16.06.2008 - 08.48am) - Bill

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:07 | #

Browsing the web a bit just now, I happened to see this letter to The Telegraph by a British reader in Uganda signing as “John Storm”:

Machiavelli explains EU’s race replacement program for London

Posted by John Storm at 05:53 on 19 Apr 2008

All politicians study Machiavelli it is said, and surely the shadowy figures running the EU have pondered this paragraph from The prince, which explains what must be done to achieve territorial domination over the free people of a city.

I am referring of course to London and the UK as a whole on this the 40th anniversary weekend of Enoch Powell’s accurate prediction regarding our fragmented and disintegrating society.

Here’s what Machiavelli had to say:

“Whoever becomes the ruler of a city that is accustomed to freedom and does not destroy it can expect to be destroyed by it, for it can always find a pretext for rebellion in the name of its former freedom and age-old customs, which are never forgotten despite the passage of time or any benefits it has received. No matter what the ruler does or what precautions he takes, the inhabitants will never forget that freedom or those customs — unless they are separated or dispersed . . .”  —Machiavelli, The Prince

So, not surprising that the EU with the traitorous complicity of our own politicians have for decades permitted mass immigration to take place, pushing the indigenous residents out by their obnoxious presence and utterly destroying the identity of London, rendering it a Third World city in the space of 40 years.

Three cheers to a great parliamentarian, The Right Honorable J. Enoch Powell!

Oh how we need his like today!

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:21 | #

(Sorry, I don’t know how “Uganda” crept into the picture — I just looked at the link and it doesn’t say it.  What I had a look at originally was the Google “cached” version of John Storm’s letter, then I clicked on the original version at the web-site to get the URL.  Maybe something extraneous about Uganda on the cached page mitakenly caught my eye.  But the important thing is the man’s got it right:  race-replacement is being carried out deliberately by the powers-that-be.  People have to understand that.  If people understand nothing else, they have to understand that.  This is not happening by accident or by some unstoppable force of nature.  It’s being done by men, just like you and me, and being done deliberately.  It can easily be stopped but people have to require it be stopped, or it won’t be, then everyone will rue the day it ever started.)

Posted by GT on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:02 | #

You criticize the business elite, media elite, and the political elite constantly. Is the presumption that readers of MR won’t be among the elite? The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes?

Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. Is this becuase:
a. They come into more contact with the (generally poorer) members of other races and so have a clearer view.
b. They feel unsuccessful and search for alternative explanations for their place in society.

I see that a genuine member of Homo Monetarus (Elitist) has graced MR with his electronic presence. 

H. Monetarus

Race: Europid.

Class: Wealthy/upper middle-class.

Morality: Dual, private and public.

In-group:

1.  Class- and race-based.
2.  Religion/ethnicity/race incidental to interclass economic and political alliances.

Out-group: Underclass Europids.

Politics:

1.  Monetarist.
2.  Equates money with wealth and regards them as coeval.
3.  Equates monetary returns with productivity.
4.  Religion/ethnicity/race incidental to political and economic alliances.
5.  Noblesse oblige extended to less privileged members of allied groups.
6.  Underclass Europids consistently scapegoated to justify out-Europid alliances.

This is the middle-manager standing between you and the jewish supremacists, gentlemen.  You are never - ever - going to persuade him to voluntarily change his affiliations.  His fundamental nature - the pursuit of easy money - can’t be changed.  He’s a defective member of the Europid race.  In all other things he’s quite, uh, flexible.

This man is not self-hating.  He’s incapable of guilt, except for lost financial opportunities.  Not only do accusations of “race traitor” bounce off of him, he will grab the term and wear it as a badge of honor to further his financial goals.

“Elitist” resembles the one I call Mr. Purdue, aka Scimitar/Prozak/Fade.  Not saying that he is, of course, only that there’s a moral resemblence.

Posted by GT on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:03 | #

Change “affiliations” to nature.

Posted by GT on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:03 | #

The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes?

Gee, I’m suddenly overcome by the need to snipe.  It must be due to my rural white trash hillbilly origins.

Hey Dung Beetle,

Class nepotism, easy money, a flexible morality, scapegoating underclass Europids, and joining the winning side does not equal gumption and smarts.  Joining the elite, ya me-tooing molder ‘n roller, is easy.  Opposing the elite on the ground takes gumption.  Smarts will be decided following the end game.

Posted by Svigor on Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:47 | #

Posted by 2R on Monday, June 16, 2008 at 08:48 AM | #

In other words, a religion, or religions.  I tend to agree.

Posted by melba peachtoast on Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:38 | #

“In any case, the elites’ response is for tomorrow.  Today we raise a glass to the health and good sense of the Irish.”

You criticize the business elite, media elite, and the political elite constantly. Is the presumption that readers of MR won’t be among the elite? The elites are the smart people, the successful people, the people who run the show. Shouldn’t you admire the elite for their gumption and strive to join the elite instead of sniping from the lower classes?

Members of racialist movements tend to be from lower economic classes. Is this becuase:
a. They come into more contact with the (generally poorer) members of other races and so have a clearer view.
b. They feel unsuccessful and search for alternative explanations for their place in society.

Wellllll, “Elitist”, you make an interesting point, anti though you are. Who are the elite? How are they chosen?

You aren’t going to like the answer.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:29 | #

Richard North and Neil O’Brien have drawn up an “Abandon Lisbon” e-petition at the official Downing Street petition site.  You can sign up here:-

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Abandon-Lisbon/

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:02 | #

For those whose high-school or college French hasn’t rusted too badly yet:

Giscard (who headed the group that wrote the constitution whose rejection led to the Lisbon monstrosity) explains how the E.U. has every intention of making Ireland vote again after certain planned bribes will have had a chance to work, and if it votes “No” again, of simply ignoring Ireland and forging ahead anyway:

http://www.fdesouche.com/?p=3721

By the way, here’s the other side’s plan for France’s new and vastly improved demographics:  90% pure Sub-Saharan African Negro, 5% Maghrebian mulatto, 4.99% mystery-meat that no one can figure out what it is, and 0.01% white but only age 70-and-above permitted to be shown, with mentally-retarded-looking white grandkids.  (Hey at least they’re coming right out and telling us their plan, so it’s not like, say, you went to a hear a speech by Kai Murros and they switched the featured speaker to Buckwheat Zydeco … They’re actually telling you what they’re going to do to Frenchmen, which, hey I like that, it’s kinda decent of them, sorta the way al Zarqawi told that guy in the orange jumpsuit what he was going to do before videotaping it … hey it demonstrates they don’t have a total disregard for the feelings of others …)

http://www.fdesouche.com/?p=3699

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:16 | #

Excellent commentary on the Irish vote and the E.U.‘s intention to find a way around it or simply break the rules and ignore it, by BrusselsJournal.com’s Martin Helme.  In the last sentences he calls for revolution.  Seeing that did my heart good.

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:49 | #

I’ve seen several such calls for revolution since the Irish vote.  What is happening here is that the stirring old ideas of classical liberalism are being dusted off and pressed into service, the folks doing the dusting not realising that the freedom they desire is - and always was - tainted by individualism.  The very best that could be got from it is still not going to offer a clear break with ethno-suicidalism, the complex roots of which quite escape the classical liberal analysis.

But Brussels Journal has never been capable of entering this territory.

Posted by Captainchaos on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:16 | #

“The very best that could be got from it is still not going to offer a clear break with ethno-suicidalism…”

How about racialist social democracy?

Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:35 | #

That could do it, cc.  But the problem with the last effort was its palingeneticism.  The striving to become is no good.  Leads to several layers of unreality.  Kills people.  Consumes itself.

In other words, National Socialism combines the usual poles of being (social justice) <> becoming (heroic rebirth), and the Cainite, heroic pole proved murderous and self-destructive.  Without the heroism, though ... without striving and glory, it becomes difficult to articulate any kind of vision at all.  This, essentially, is why traditionalism and conservatism cannot withstand the power of the becoming (radical individualist) principle in liberalism - which is also killing us.

The problem is also that European philosophy, and nationalist philosophy in particular, has pretty much always been given to idealism.  A philosophy constructed out of the Salterian ethic would not fly.  It would be honest, and it would be unimpeachably true.  But it would engage no one, and transform nothing.

Find me the answer.

Posted by Endgame on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:57 | #

“In the last sentences he calls for revolution.”

Here’s hoping it will look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEZHZHNByCs&feature=related

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:14 | #

Regarding Endgame’s comment, it’s important to remember — never, ever lose sight of this — that none of this is happening by itself but all, ALL OF IT, is calculated behind the scenes and is being forced deliberately by criminals in government who stand to gain by it and think they can get away with it endlessly, and the people doing this to us are exactly the same kinds of people, with exactly the same mentality and the same totalitarian bent, as the people surrounding Ceausescu who were doing it to the Romanian people.  (In Europe, in many cases they’re literally the same individuals.)  They’re the same paper tigers and can be overthrown and chased away in the same manner if need be (namely, if they continue to turn our reasonable entreaties a deaf ear, continue to make the rules as they go, continue to brazenly ignore the results of elections and referendums, etc.).  Number one:  non-violent change is our side’s fervent wish; number two:  the massed public protest demonstrations that brought down the Eastern-European communist governments, 1989-1991, were for the most part non-violent, and if working through the system fails, as working through the communist system did for the ‘89ers, we can emulate them, the 1989ers, with the same hope and expectation of success; number three:  as long as the internet is open to us we have a chance; number four:  if the other side finally shuts off our access to the internet it will be time to take it to the streets with everything we’ve got, no matter whether non-violent or violent in that case because at that point the garrote will be around our neck and we’ll be staring our side’s death in the face with only seconds to live.  Number five:  the Tian An Men protesters (who were protesting their government’s importation of Negroes from Africa for the purpose of shagging all the Chinese women while telling the complaining Chinese men to shut up and learn to love it because it wasn’t going to change) ... well, whatever we do let’s not end up like them, shall we?  Whatever mistake they made, let’s not repeat it.

There’s an old warning to those who have rebellion on their minds, “Who strikes the king must kill the king.”  Never forget that either.

Posted by Captainchaos on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:21 | #

“Find me an answer.”

Salterian universal nationalism has to be sold as glorious.  Grand visions are what inspire people.  We need a muscular resistance, but how to do this without wanton cruelty and unnecessary bloodshed?

We need to sell the struggle as only being glorious if it is conducted in a gentlemanly fashion.  We need to sell the idea that final victory will be dishonorably tainted (no glory without honor) and fatally flawed (it would be unsustainable and short lived) if the means employed to achieve it are not just.

Salterian universal nationalism is not sexy.  Spice it up.  Keep it vague.  Let the people project their dearest desires and dreams onto that glorious future with the important caveat that these can only be achieved in the context of the peace and justice that Salterian univeral nationalism alone will provide.  Who knows what progress we Euros can realize once we are free to nuture the life of our people?

Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:40 | #

cc,

Philosophy works the other way round.  You begin with ultimate value - literally what is good in life - and reason onward to a final product.  You can’t say, “Well, let’s have some glory.”  If glory is your ultimate value, then you philosophise on that teleological foundation.  Salterian nationalism is solidly ontological, flowing from the ultimate value of ethnic genetic interest.

The suggestion has been made by JW Holliday that Yockeyism can be bolted on to Salterism to provide something to which people can aspire.  But, again, that’s really a utilitarian methodology, and not how living philosophies emerge.