Thought experiment Along the road to the reclamation of homeland lies the reclamation of free-thinking and free speech. A few days ago The Times put up a discussion topic titled, Do migrants make us or break us? Despite the fact that this is, in mainstream terms, precisely the gateway question - the beginning of understanding - there have only been 24 comments at the time of posting this entry. Compare that to the 205 that The Guardian musters for a piece titled The toxic Powell legacy, written by a sub-con named Sunder Katwala. OK, the very fact that immigration is now dominating all the serious rags is a great advance on the conspiracy of silence of five years ago. But really ... 24 comments on what is, after all, the choice between a prosperity predicated, supposedly, on racial egalitarianism and the Darwinian meaning of life itself! When the circulation of The Times is 700,000 and The Guardian 375,000! Well, I decided to conduct a (necessarily very small) experiment on The Times’ thread. Since the headline question is the precurser to a proper political understanding of race and modernity, I’ve stretched it a little by submitting to The Times’ moderator a few rather more cogent questions. Here they are:-
Now, these are the sort of questions that have twice got me banned at The Guardian, once as Guessedworker, once just the other day as this guy John Standing. Will they survive the cut at The Times? Has freedom of expression recovered to that point, or is it only permissable for mainstreamers to ask the questions? And, of course, if the comment is published, will any readers answer? Will they be Englishmen or opportunistic cryptos? We shall, as the blind man said, see. Comments:2
Posted by Alex on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:30 | # Best of success with your well thought out questions there Guessedworker. Many of the responses in the Telegraph are quite impressive and am glad to see the frankness that quite a number are allowing for themselves. I think Orwell got it right in that famous book of his that’s an excellent description of the Red junior half of the ideology of multi-culturalism (the senior half being Capitalism) as to what it might well take regarding the multi-cult.
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Posted by Alex on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:14 | # >>“Racism” is simply a term to prevent European Man anywhere in his homelands from choosing to live, and not die as a non-collection of cowed, atomised individuals.<< Great point. It’s quite remindful of a prescient article published in 1898 which spoke of a future European ‘union of states’ that would be ‘united in finance’. This was something the writer was already seeing glimpses of then and to his credit he was decrying it.
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Posted by Bill on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:24 | # I’ve just skimmed down the threads at the Times and DT, it’s the usual stuff of course, there is still no sign or even a sign of a sign that they are beginning to join any dots (ok-perhaps the odd one or two) Trouble is, we don’t get a clue as to what’s being spiked, reading the filtered out emails would be far more interesting. The problem is still the iron grip of the media, it is absolute. until this media grip is broken then it is only going to prolong the agony. Nothing (absolutely nothing) is going to stop this thing unravelling, it has, (or very nearly) gained an unstoppable momentum. When or what form it will take WTSHTF is anybodies guess, but unravel it will. I’m always sticking my neck out, here goes again - I would say within five years. (if that) Looking ahead, WTSHTF, the elites could just cave, hold up their hands - “ok, sorry guys it didn’t work out - let’s move on”, or it gets real ugly. Will they bring in NATO and Kosovarise us Clinton style? An’another thing, these three million houses to be built by 2020, we all know it just ain’t going to happen, even NL are not that stupid to think they can manage such a project, (anyway, NL will be long, long gone by then) so what does that mean? It means that there is never going to be sufficient homes to house everyone, so look out for the appropriation of White’s property. Starting with little old ladies in three bed. properties that have been their homes all of their married lives, (old man gone of course) Changing the subject, I have just seen BBC 6 O’clock News, petrol goes through £1.00 barrier - Why is this? - they ask (surprise-surprise) They wheeled on the usual suspects - you couldn’t make it up - ($100.00 oil is with us) they tried every explanation in the book, with the exception of course of the obvious answer - demand is exceeding supply. Not a mention of something called Peak Oil – It really is hilarious watching the BBC in action, how long can this stance be maintained. For those who don’t know or couldn’t care less anyway, it is generally agreed among those, who, (seem to know) oil is now beyond peak, (2005?) production cannot be increased – add to this, the credit crunch, housing sub-prime saga and we are in an interesting next 6/12 months. 5
Posted by Red Baron on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:07 | # I thought it was compulsory in the UK that to write or speak in public one must be filmed AND have an RFID implant. Of course, once you are filmed and have an implant you may say what you like, after all Britain is a free country. 6
Posted by gongstar on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:08 | # It’s the luck of the draw. I’ve had comments disallowed at the Times and Telegraph that have been milder than some of mine that have got through, and far milder than comments by others. The Daily Mail is the worst, as you’d expect from a gynocentric paper. The Guardian is bad in some respects, good in others. Steven Rose was put firmly in his place by the very first comment on one of his anti-Watson articles. 7
Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:57 | # Well, the Telegraph moderator also would not allow talk of repatriation and the morality of English survival. So ... the experiment demonstrates that, as yet, the mainstream press will not allow comment that cuts to the quick of the debate. To continue the experiment means taking questions elsewhere. I already know The Guardian’s attitude. The Independent has some sad blogs that nobody seems to read. The one advantage is that there’s no pre-publish moderator! More in hope than expectation of a response, however, I’ve adapted the questions to fit the current top-of-page post. While the comment is up you can read it here. Since its future is uncertain, I’ll take the precaution of recording it below:-
Wouldn’t it be fun if someone actually answers it thoughtfully, and without the regulation moral posturing. 8
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:05 | # Gongstar: Steven Rose was put firmly in his place by the very first comment on one of his anti-Watson articles. It was done by HalOnsgard:-
Last but one on the thread was Fred Scrooby’s helping hand to Mr Rose. Well worth a read, and a pity it came too late to engender responses from the Jewish Guardianistas. 9
Posted by Antisocialist on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:15 | # Perhaps you could try your luck on Newsnight’s ‘Big Immigration Debate’. They claim to want to hear your thoughts on the subject prior to a ‘special’ of some sort tomorrow evening. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2007/11/the_big_immigration_debate.html 10
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:09 | # In that Guardian thread, the one signing as “Bert Rustle” also posted some excellent, informative replies (he’s got a number of them up). 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:55 | # Antisocialist, I’ll try that Newsnight thread, if I can fit the list of questions to it. Meanwhile, some success at last ... a posting on the comment thread to a particularly fatuous article at The Times by someone named Robert Crampton. I trimmed the list to six questions. But the likely reason it passed the censor is serendipity ... the moderator’s personal taste, perhaps, or maybe the character of responses from other offended Times readers was such that the usual boundaries were stretched. Anyhow, this is the “successful” comment:-
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Posted by JWH on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:53 | # I hope GW doesn’t mind the digression. This comment from an American Renaissance thread caught my attention: Posted by at 10:09 PM on November 7” And, yes, when one clicked on the link there, the same porn site came up that we are plagued with here. Apparently, more than one “white nationalist” website is set up so links to GNXP are routed to interracial porn. So, my question to David B is: if GNXP is really an objective science/analysis website without any “policies” on any matters (indeed, it is “paranoid” to suggest they do), then why, praytell, does GNXP block a collegial dissemination of their ideas by seting up a link to an interracial porn site from MR, AR, and who knows from where else? Is that not a legitimate question? Or, can we say that GNXP does indeed have a “policy” against people pursuing white racial interests - and engages in juvenile tactics against these people (e.g., the porn) - which makes suspect claims that attacks on Salter are merely “disinterested analysis” and “truthtelling.” I can also ask, once again, to the “Unz Foundation” whether they support such tactics, and why they are funding a person (“Razib”) who controls a website/blog that participates in these tactics? By the way, these tactics of GNXP - which, as far as I know, are not practiced by any “race realist” site - are consistent with those alsp practiced by the “anti-racist” left - a category in which the “no policy” (sic) GNXP site can reasonably be seen to belong. Thank you for indulging this intrusion into GW’s post and thread. 13
Posted by Tommy G on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:35 | # “Last but one on the thread was Fred Scrooby’s helping hand to Mr Rose. Well worth a read, and a pity it came too late to engender responses from the Jewish Guardianistas.”—Guessedworker Yes, it was Fred Scrooby at his best. I especially enjoyed point #3: “3) Prof. Rose’s ethnic interest here is, I think, clear: he’s one of a growing number who’ve noticed the Jews don’t seem to be benefitting fully from the diversity Europeans are enjoying more and more, and he’d like to see that change, preferably through the removal of any remaining fascist barriers to Jewish-pygmy intermarriage. In light of Prof. Alon Ziv’s book citing the superiority of offspring produced by marriage outside the group—the further outside, the better the offspring—mixed Jewish-pygmy couples ought to produce the most superior babies of all, the intergroup distance being so great. I think that concern is uppermost in Prof. Rose’s mind: improving the Jews by seeing to it they don’t continue to miss out on the truly huge advantages to be gained by mixing their populations with those of the pygmies through intermarriage.” Hilarious!!! Maybe the U.N. should offer Israel the West Bank in return for them allowing in and making Israeli citizens of, say, 1.5 million Pygmies along with other assorted Bantus? Since the Jews are such strident proponents of race mixing, I’m sure they’d jump at that offer. 14
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:43 | # No problem, JW. Why would one expect Ron Unz to disavow the puerile cattiness of his rabidly khanal protege? He who pays the piper. Of course GNXP has a policy, and it’s the tune the piper called. It is pro-Sub-Con, pro the miscegenation of European-American women, and anti the European-American male. All that is, in effect, pro-Jewish, and fully in accordance both with Jewish and Sub-con EGI in diaspore. Meanwhile, of course, David B does his damnedest to deny the existence of EGI. Neat. 15
Posted by Mr. Amazed on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:35 | # I agree with all the numbered points in your article. The New World Order papers are the racists; they are trying to steal our land and exterminate us. We are the Jews of Britain. 16
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:54 | # The Newsnight folks say:-
Meanwhile, the Indy thread has perked up slightly. But not much. 17
Posted by gongstar on Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:07 | # It was done by HalOnsgard:- “Long-exploded” in your marxoid-Boasian dreams, Rose. You are a dinosaur from Stephen Jay Gould’s corner of Jurassic Park… Thanks for retrieving it, GW. It hasn’t lost its bite! There is a typo, tho: for Jurassic read Jewrassic. 18
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:30 | # Censorship at the Indy! The thought experiment has come to a close with the removal of the following comment from Andrew Grice’s Immigration Tales - an update thread.
Although the use of “nigger” was not mine to begin with, and was historical in context, it probably didn’t help. And then violent popular rebellion against the traitorous elites makes an appearance a few lines later. So many good reasons to silence the racist interloper, what? 19
Posted by Amalek on Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:45 | # My close friend Hal Onsgard has asked me to convey his thanks for your comments. Some others are to be found on the Guardian Unlimited talk boards, he tells me. See the ‘Blacks are Dimmer- James Watson’ thread, where ‘undersinged’ and ‘Focus’ are playing blinders too. 20
Posted by gongstar on Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:35 | # This is v. good by HalOnsgard too:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/open_thread/2007/10/speak_no_evil.html GW reports:
Probably?! I can’t say I blame the Indy it’s an ugly and offensive word nowadays and doesn’t conduce to calm reason and persuasion. You should at least have used quotes. 21
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:47 | # Gongstar, The purpose of the experiment was to push the limits, not debate Indy readers. After I found it, I thought I’d push it again by re-submitting the comment, albeit with a little window-dressing, to see if the moderator could be challenged on grounds of free speech. I was hoping that some kind reader would challenge me on the comment. But it looks like the Indy threads are a journalistic ghost town. 22
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sun, 11 Nov 2007 02:34 | # I can’t tell from Steve’s handling of it if this is important for our side or not (I’m not up on this stuff). Anyone know? 23
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:28 | # This guy with a Finnish-sounding name posting tonight over at BrusselsJournal.com gets it about 50%. What he mainly doesn’t get is the considerable Jewish role in what’s going on. But the excerpts herewith below are pretty good. (This guy is roughly where I was, say, four years ago.)
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:55 | #
Excuse me, he may be a Jap — I just checked the BrusselsJournal.com masthead looking for his bio; none came up but I saw he’s writing from Tokyo. And his name could also fit — so he’s likely Japanese. The Japs are keeping the race-replacement forces at bay pretty well but not perfectly: I read where they’re importing Filipino women to marry their farmers, as no Japanese woman is willing to marry a Japanese farmer since in Japan a farmer’s life is too hard, dull, and economically unrewarding. Even the girls raised on farms go off to the cities to find husbands. My suggestion to the Jap government would be to do all it could to improve the lives of farmers so Jap women would be willing to marry them, and if they still couldn’t find Jap wives, import Korean, Mongol, and northern Chinese women for them, not Filipinos who are fine women I’m sure (look at Michelle Malkin the columnist, one-hundred percent Filipino, extremely brainy, and cute as a button to boot) but too different from them racially. The others aren’t a perfect fit but far closer than the Southeasten Asians like the Filipinos. Hey maybe it’s just me but I don’t want a world where the Japs have all been turned into Jap-Filipino blends. I like Japan and the Japs the way they are and sincerely I hope they’ll stay that way. (So sorry if that offends any Jews reading this ...) 25
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:03 | # No, sorry again: I just went back and read the article’s beginning which I had essentially skipped over the first time around: he’s some sort of Euro. Given the name, I guess Finnish fits best. 26
Posted by Al Ross on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:29 | # Fred, it’s likely that Michelle Malkin, like so many of her provenance, is of mixed race with a good dash of Chinese in the mix. A “one hundred percent” Filipino (or, more correctly for females, Filipina) is an unalloyed, Malay, ‘rara avis’ indeed - rather like a pure Brazilian. 27
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:52 | # Here she is (with someone named Kirsten Powers) (scroll down the page a little). 28
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:41 | # Please excuse the above accidental deviation onto the subject of Japan, but while we’re there, the Jewish press (the Los Angeles Times and the New York Times are part of the Jewish press) is trying to get Japan race-replaced. Makes sense: 1) the populations of Japan, Korea, and China logically would be next on the Jews’ list for transformation into mystery meat after the Eurosphere goes down: those countries have riches the Jews want to get their hooks into, and 2) Euro anti-race-replacers ability to hold Japan up as a counterexample to the Jews’ claim of “the futility of opposition to race-replacment which is an irresistable force of nature like an earthquake or hurricane” heartens them, threatening to slow the Jews’ timetable by stiffening resistance. Therefore Japan has to be taken down now, so the Eurosphere’s transformation to Jewish-approved mystery meat can proceed more smoothly to completion. That’s how the Jews see things, at any rate, whence the stepping of by the Jewish press (the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times) of race-replacement propaganda targeted on Japan. It all fits.
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:35 | # Decent folk are beginning to fight back against intolerable evil: Hastilow is staying. He’s not going anywhere, and Tory party HQ can take whatever race-replacement swill they’re peddling and shove it you know where. May God bless, strengthen, and defend the men who’ve refused to accept Hastilow’s resignation and instead are publicly agreeing with him that Enoch was right and demanding a long-overdue explanation from the party leadership. May this be the start of real change! The momentum is with us; there’s no turning back. 30
Posted by Bill on Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40 | # There’s a guy named Mathew Parris, he is an ex Tory MP and now a Times columnist, he has just written a piece in The Times 10th November 2007. His piece is entitled…..“Synthetic rage has gone. This is real fury”...... He seems to be saying something similar as Fred above. Forget he is talking British politics, he is also saying (I think) the unsayable - but it’s the comment section that is saying it. As Parris says “Sniff the wind and paw the ground” 31
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:10 | # One is starting to see calls for outright revolution around the “responsible” blogosphere. We won’t see those in the mainstream press of course: Leviathan has those in his pocket; they represent him and him alone. But the web he doesn’t fully control ... yet. When he makes his move to bring it to heel — and it’s only a matter of time before he does — we must resist with every ounce of strength we can muster because to lose the freedom of the web will be to lose everything short of spilling into the streets and having at it with our bare hands. Which we’ll do if necessary ... if the other side leaves us no alternative. 32
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:23 | # Here Prof. Paul Gottfried (who is Jewish) is criticizing the diaspora Jewish attempt to destroy the Eurosphere ethnoculturally and racially, destruction which enjoys (as I for one have come to appreciate only within the past three years) virtually universal support among Jews no matter of what political stripe, right, left, or center (i.e., there’s no significant diaspora-Jewish political faction that doesn’t passionately support this destruction, not one):
Letting Jews settle in a Eurosphere country in large numbers spells sooner or later that country’s death by, you guessed it, systematic destruction by Jews of its ethnoculture and race. Why won’t the Jews stop doing this in places where they’ve settled in large numbers among Euros? Because they can’t, any more than Negroes can stop high crime and lousy schools or Orientals the opposite, in neighborhoods where they’ve settled, respectively, in large numbers: it’s a Jewish national characteristic; it’s in the genes of the race, and will always manifest where they live in Euro countries in large numbers. No one can stop it. What’s the solution? The two have to live apart from each other, in separate countries. Biggest mistake Germany ever made: World War II. Second biggest: letting some half-a-million Russian Jews settle, not long ago. If the number of Jews rises in Germany it’s going to be déjà-vu all over again. Jews shouldn’t want to settle in Germany or any other place where they have to feel as if they’re surrounded by enemies, leading an unnatural paranoid existence with vengeance on their “tormentors” always in the backs of their minds. No one should. Why do they nevertheless want to go to Germany? Because their tribal sense is they can make good livings there. Why did the Germans welcome them? To not suffer the fate Belgrade did when General Wesley Clark passed through town: the U.S. is under Jewish hegemony now, don’t forget. Has been overtly since the ‘60s. That was what the “‘60s Revolution” was all about: U.S. Jews no longer subordinating themselves to the old WASP hegemony but overthrowing and replacing it with ... themselves. The problem with that: the U.S. Euros aren’t content to live under Jewish hegemony: the Jews neither know nor wish to know how to make Euros happy, as the Russians learned under Jewish hegemony after 1917 and the Germans of the Weimar period: they were unhappy, in many ways, of course, profoundly so. In the U.K. recently you saw this Jewish behavior when the Jewish think tank (IPPR if I remember the name right), whose Jewish honchos simultaneously control the Labour party (and have all had themselves created life peers, so they’re all now styled “Lord” this and “Lord” that), came out for yet further entrenchment of the already genocidal race-replacement régime (a spin-off in Britain of Jewish hegemony over the U.S.) and not-even-disguised targeting specifically of Christmas, the Christmas holiday, for erasure. Erasing Christmas and genociding Euros by forcing too many non-whites on them make Jews happy but don’t make Euros happy. (As for Christmas, it turns out Jews really and truly loathe it, they’ve been trying to erase it in the U.S. for many decades.) Ted Cantle, who works for this Jewish think tank and is almost certainly Jewish, is the one who was condemning the British city of Newcastle not long ago for being “hideously white” and in dire need of (Jewish-imposed) negrification. The Jews treat Euros, where they lord it over them (pun intended and in the case of the U.K. literally true), the way the Israeli Jews treat the Palestinians. This is because Jews have disdain for all gentiles, most of all Euro ones (yes, Jews hate Euros more than they hate Arabs). The bottom line is very simply that under Jewish hegemony Euros are unhappy, don’t thrive, and actually end up going extinct. Do the Jews understand that U.S. Euros aren’t content under their hegemony? Yes, vaguely, and blame it on innate European-race anti-Semitism. What are they going to do about it? They’re already doing it: genocide by systematic race-replacement with non-whites. Jews want “the Euro problem” out of their hair once and for all. Do Euros have the genetic wherewithal to get themselves out from under genocidal Jewish hegemony? Remains to be seen. I believe they do but they’re slow to wake up. I have to admit, though, there are times when I wonder. Has there ever existed since the world began a race of people more thoroughly incompetent at defending their own manifest demographic interests than Euros? No, never. Their stupidity and incompetence are mind-boggling. 33
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Posted by Guessedworker on Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:27 | #
Nothing on The Times’ thread. So here’s a second go, this time on the thread to a Simon Heffer article in the Telegraph, seductively titled When will Tories admit that Enoch was right?:-