Tired and liberal in Peckham - UPDATED 8th FEBRUARY

I sincerely recommend anyone interested in the situation in Peckham, and other decayed south London sh*tholes such as Brixton, Stockwell, Battersea, Lewisham etc to read the bi-weekly local newspaper the ‘South London Press’, a real eye-opener and shocker, that lifts the lid on just what an unpleasant, hellish, hopeless society large swathes of London actually are, to all the sheltered souls and foreign individuals out there it’s certainly nothing like ‘Miss Marple’ or ‘Vicarage tea parties’.

“But these children have none of the emotional prerequisites to exercise choice. This is not about genetics but about poor environment, one which requires the most violent characteristics in an individual to become dominant in order to survive. It’s up to the powerful majority to stop cheating on these children’s care.”

How about another possibility? Perhaps if these poor children were returned to their country of origin in Africa, or Asia, or Latin America, perhaps they would not notice how poor they truely are because they will be surrounded by millions more....equally deserving, just like themselves. Perhaps if we do not stop the invasion from Third World countries, there will ONLY be Third World countries on this planet, then EVERYONE with think of themselves as poor children. What will happen to all of your therapists, child welfare workers, psychologists, and bureaucrats then? Simple.....they will be roasted and devoured so stronger brutes can survive another day, procreate more poor children, steal and murder. Is that the future you have in mind? These people are not pets to be adopted from the local shelter.

1960s London was a kind of Weimar, if that answers your question, Retew.

The West is reaching a point where it has a choice.  The road ahead, the road commended to us (and for only us) by your people for example, will lead to first the taking from us of our homeland -this is already being accomplished through the underhand shift to a “community of values” - second the loss of our living space, third the destruction of our genetic integrity.  All these evils, of course, proceed together.

This is what your kinsman Michael Walzer wrote of America (from On Genetic Interests):-

[t]here is no country called America ... It is a name that doesn’t even pretend to tell us who lives there.

... The United States is an association of citizens.  Its “anonymity” consists in the fact that these citizens don’t transfer their collective name to the association.

... This committment [speaking now of protecting democratic freedoms rather than the nation or European ethnic group] is consistent with feelings of gratitude, loyalty, even patriotism of a certain sort, but it doesn’t make for fellowship.

... the hard truth about individualism, secularism, and tolerance is that they make solidarity very difficult.

... The United States isn’t a “homeland”, not, at least, as other countries are, in casual conversation and unreflective feeling.  It is a country of immigrants”

Walzer the advocate of civic society, Walzer the Marxist intellectual, Walzer the Jew is, naturally enough, wrong about us in one significant respect.  We are not wholly made of ideas that can be pumped into our bloodstreams like political narcotics.  We cannot live in the way he wishes us to ... as perpetual immigrants in our own home.  So we will not live that way.  The Third World here leaves us no option.  We are bound to return to ourselves, and sweep away all those who are of us as well as those who are not of us who bar our path to survival.

Responding to Retew:

“Which cultural and political elite was responsible for the Kray twins and the Richardson brothers then in the 1960s?”

Native criminality is a fact of life which we have to deal with- like a genetic defect we inherited from our parents, its part of us.

Imported criminality is a consequence of an unnecessary political decision- and hence elites can be seen as being partially responsible for it. To follow the metaphor, imported criminality is like giving yourself cancer by eating an Ethidium Bromide sandwhich.

And then there is you, the curiously removed third-party observer, who says- How can you blame your cancer on that Ethidium Bromide sandwhich you ate- after all, you inherited cancer-proneness from your parents.

In 1999, the (London) Daily Mail highlighted the Kray twins, Ronnie and Reggie, “of Jewish and Romany stock.” Both were imprisoned in the 1960s. Only Reggie survives, “the best-known gangster in Britain ... By 1963, through their networks of thugs and thieves, Ronnie and Reggie were lording it over London’s underworld and became figures in London society.”

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/09crime.htm

Isn’t it strange how the media fall over themselves in describing the murder victim, in every case, as ‘highly respectable’, ‘devoted christian’, from a ‘good family’, ‘hard-working’ and ‘intelligent’ etc etc.
The fact is, not even feral, trigger-happy young London blacks would risk capture and life imprisonmentin order to kill someone who was not at the very least complic it in some serious criminal activity.

Tell me honestly that London wasn’t a better place when they were put behind bars.

Oh it was, and it’ll be an even better place when all the criminals we’ve imported since are sent back to where they came from: a sort of self-created ethnic prison for them.

I scarcely deserve such fulsome praise. You, and many others, created the guiding star, I merely follow it.

La Griffe might serve your purpose on (1).  There is, in any case, a large body of work relating to prison populations, including studies throughout the West into the incidence of IQ, dyslexia and mental illness.  The UK prison population has been little assessed for its IQ, but I am aware of estimates appearing in the press and generally ranging from IQ 80 to 85.  Studies in America and elsewhere also cleave to a mean of around 1 SD lower than the general population.

Regarding (2), Ashley Mote is unlikely to have fabricated the story, but may not be able to reveal his source.  I have not heard it before.  Such a policy was said to have been employed in Cuba, of course, resulting in the emptying of the prisons and the rapid enrichment of Floridian society.

Retew,
You can disbelieve me or not, but I’ve been around long enough to know certain things:
1/. There are very few ‘good’ black people in existence (by good I mean morally upright).
2/. Those gunned downed in ‘mysterious circumstances were either:
(a) Police Informants.
(b) Drug Thieves.

Much is made in WN circles about a spposed low black IQ, well in situations that rely solely upon animal cunning and calculation such as criminal drug dealing, blacks have more ‘intelligence’ than Whites.
Believe me, they would not have wasted a bullet killing someone who was not a danger or an irritant to them.
Blacks are a very rutlhless people, displaying the same type of cunning and ferocity as exhibied by other apex predatory carnivores such as the shark or the big cats the meting out of violence and the threat of violence are the most basic primal force they understand - and this violence is instictively used in a measured way.

And The hits go on ...

A man has been shot dead in London and three men have been injured in two separate shootings in Manchester.

The man, in his mid-20s, was found with fatal gun wounds in a car in Hackney, east London early on Saturday, and died in hospital.

His death comes days after three teenagers were killed in south London.

In Manchester, the three men are recovering in hospital after being shot in the two attacks, which took place in the Moss Side and Longsight areas.

Armed officers from Operation Neon were deployed on south London streets following the shootings there and have carried out searches of suspicious vehicles.

Following the killing in Hackney, police are searching for two black men seen making off towards Digby Road.

A Scotland Yard spokeswoman said officers working under Operation Neon arrested three people during the patrols in south London.

Two were arrested on suspicion of driving a stolen vehicle and one on suspicion of possessing drugs.

Operation Neon, did you say?

Met unveils response to teenage shootings

The Metropolitan Police’s top officer has asked the Home Secretary to allow 17-year-olds to receive a minimum five-year sentence for gun crimes.

The announcement was made this afternoon following a meeting held by Sir Ian Blair in an attempt to address a wave of shootings involving young people in south London, including the killing of a 15-year-old boy in his own home in Clapham North yesterday.

The Met said they were hopeful that Sir Ian’s request for the minimum age for a mandatory five-year prison sentence for possession of firearms to be reduced to 17 would be accepted by John Reid.
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Sir Ian Blair also said a new temporary taskforce would be step up to co-ordinate the Met’s response to violent crime involving young people.

The Commissioner ruled out regular patrols by armed police officers, but said that they would use intelligence-led armed interventions’ codenamed Operation Neon - although the Met remained tight lipped this afternoon on exactly what that would entail.

Scotland Yard also said high visibility patrols would be increased in certain areas - but would not disclose which areas they would be.

The new taskforce will be led by Commander Paul Minton from the Territorial Policing Command.

This might be of interest, Bodkin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6364343.stm

So the average IQ of a prisoner in a British jail is 87, with a quarter of prisoners having an IQ of under 80.

Englander,
The type of ‘cunning’ I’m describing is the most basic, primordial instinctive ‘cunning’ there is, and as such we must get back to pre-human origins and take the animal kingdom as our teacher, for example the fox has always been noted for his ‘cunning’.
We see it in the way the ‘alpha’ chimpanzee of the pack acts through intimidation and violence as an absolute dictator of the pack - ‘bullying’ in its true meaning, and as Freud conjectured the roots of the Oedipus complex in the young male pretender.
This type of animalistic, savage ‘barnyard’ bullying behavior the negro exhibits in abundance.

You people make me sick.  Talking about blacks and their tendency towards violence.  If you look at anywhere in the world where there is poverty you will find violence and drugs and crime.

Anywhere in the world where people have not managed to come together and form solidity and power there is war and violence. 

Britain and America itself would not be here if it were not for war and violence.

Slavery and white supremacy is still impacting black communities in America and Britain today.

You talk from your high chair like the evil man you are.  Anyone with a sense of righteousness would want to help people in need of help.

Black British and American people have been through racism and slavery. It was the white man who deprived the black man of his freedom through brute force and evilness.

It was the white man who did not permit their black slaves to read or learn.

It is the white man who killed millions of Jews in their quest for white supremacy.

It is the white man who has created a class of people in Britain today that has no motivation to succeed.  And yes a majority of black people in Britain do form an underclass (one that the white man has created). 

Through racism the white man has given Black people no hope of success. It is racism that causes teachers to treat Black children differently. It is racism that causes Black children to receive far greater punishment for their crimes.

The problems of Britain’s Ghettos are a British problem.

Yes the white man owes its descendants of Black slaves. You owe
their children the education you deprived their parents, you owe them the decency and kindness that you did not bestow upon their fathers. You owe them respect as your peers when they educate themselves.  You owe them the opportunities for a happy and fruitful life, as you would expect for your own.

And when the black man awakes from his sleep and realises that they have every chance their fathers never had you racist fools will be gone.

I as a mixed race man have experienced white racism I have felt first hand today THE WHITE SUPREMICIST bias view on black people. Even the non-racist white man has been conditioned to look unfavourably upon blacks and undermine the integrity and quality of his black peer. I have learnt to succeed amongst this racism I have learnt to gain the respect of the “conditioned” white man. I cannot wait for the day you racists are wiped from this earth. You are already a minority.

I will educate my young black brothers and will help pave the way for the next generation of black people.  Yes they/we have been held back for many generations but your racist power is failing you.

I love today’s Britain and I love its ideals, it is great country and will become even greater when we deliver it from racism, irradiate the remnants of white supremacy and learn more about how to educate our youth.

What about the undocumented instances of rape on black slaves? Or the killing of any slave that sought to educate himself. Or the police brutality in America that still exists today.  See: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=833329c647 for an example of the torture of a god fearing law abiding black man.  And seeing as the police are supposed to be “the cream of the crop” this abuse speaks volumes for the so-called civilised white man.

What about serial killers and those who abuse children? Most of these are white. This fact alone disproves your foolish MAOA theory.

You do not argue with an educated black man because you are scared, you are scared of the truth.  You are scared that the very foundations in place to motivate the white man/child are built upon history that is carefully selected to benefit and motivate white children while being detrimental to the motivation and identity of the black child.

In British schools we hear of various white men such as Napoleon et al but we do not hear of the great black people such as Jean-Jacques_Dessalines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Jacques_Dessalines.  These things are changing though and it is these changes that will deliver the black man from his sleep.

Black children need everything that is in place in Britain for the white child and people are realising that.  With this realisation will come change.  This scares the bigot as they now start to loose their feeling of superiority.

There is this unspoken belief amongst the uneducated that the white man just one day decided to abolish slavery, but if you read history it was more a case of necessity.

Black people in Britain are in poverty, and as I said before: where there is poverty there exists drugs, violence and crime.

Please do not attempt bring up the violence in Africa as a justification to your claims of black tendency toward violence because we will just return to the same point:  “where there is poverty there exists drugs, violence and crime”, look at Russia for a “White” example.

Even given the black on black shootings every year in England these crimes do not come close the atrocities that the racist white man has committed in this world.

I do not excuse crime.  If a man kills or rapes then he should pay the price. And I personally hope that the people responsible for these crimes are punished appropriately.

It seems the bigoted white man does not want to own up for his ancestors crimes. I ask him to accept the crimes of his forefathers and forgive himself rather than live in denial. His own country is telling him he is wrong and even with that he can’t accept the truth.

You talk of interlopers? Britain and America were built on the backs of slavery.  Britain’s economy would not be what it is today without the proceeds of slavery and the theft of land and riches.

What great deed has the white bigot done for him to assume sole rights to the riches of this world?

Britain has a duty to protect its economy and values I agree with that. As even with a history of slavery and the ever decreasing influence of the racist the core British people and their values have created one of the most safest and prosperous countries in this world. But Britain is moving toward being a truly multicultural society; you had better just accept that.

I have had the privilege to grow up in both the ghetto and middle class suburbs.  I am by no means racist (I am mixed white/black) and my best friends are White, Black and Asian.

Forgive your ancestors, realise the truth and join the majority.

Here is just as good a place as any.  Start picking. Anyone who has replied so far hasn’t discredited my views.

To tell you the truth it is time I would rather spend on other matters.  I have aired my views. People will read them. That is enough for me. 

I will monitor this thread.

Some parting thoughts:

Britain is moving towards multiculturalism and you cannot stop it because it is the only way we can go.

People like me will ensure that black and disadvantaged white children are fed the knowledge they need to inspire them to do great things.

The racist/bigoted white man cannot claim ownership of the riches of this world nor the right to pursue a happy and prosperous life.  That right should be and will be equal for all people irrelevant of race or religion.

Your work toward white supremacy and efforts to demonise black people will eventually be pointless.

It is with your self-positioning you try to discredit what I say rather than just address the points.

What you seem to overlook is that my comments are not “too basic “ but just simply ideas that you would rather not address.

You would rather a school boy engage me in some playground dialogue as we can all excuse their ignorance and stupidity.

My points are valid and righteous and without agreeing to what I say you will be displaying your true ignorance; you are fearful of this.

1. In IQ tests administered in many parts of the world, black people
of African ancestry score lower than people of other races. In
particular, they score between 15 and 30 points below Asians and whites. The
reason is often given that the tests are culturally biased, but if
this were the case then one would expect more recent immigrants to the
USA to score worse than blacks, whereas in fact it has been found that
Vietnamese people, who emigrated to the USA in the 1970s, score
even higher than whites! In any case, the test designers have been at
it for many years, and the tests are used to separate the bright from
the not so bright in many spheres of human activity, such as
education, business, the armed forces, and so on. In other words, the
IQ test industry is a ‘heavy industry’, and it is most implausible
that such a professional occupation would still be using tests where
cultural bias plays a significant role. Furthermore, if the problem
was one of cultural bias, then it should be possible to devise a test
that was culturally biased in favour of blacks, whereas in fact all
the tests show pretty much the same result, a white/black gap of 15
points in the USA and 30 points in Africa.
2. In every advanced country which black people have made their home,
they have tended to suffer the same kind of fate as one would
associate with people of low intelligence. They are more involved in
crime, particularly robbery and petty theft, in substance abuse, have
greater rates of illegitimacy and one parent familihood, they have far
higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases, they are more often
unemployed or on benefits of one type or another, they make greater
demands on the social services. It has been argued that black
communities are in this condition because of white racism, but the
situation for blacks living in Africa, where there are few white
people to oppress them, is even worse, with widespread poverty and
even starvation.
3. Africa is the poorest continent on earth, and is always coming to
the West for aid. It is a continent that is mired in poverty, crime,
corruption, civil war, famine, drought, Aids. You name it! Again,
white racism has been blamed for this state of affairs; in particular,
the British Empire somehow managed to oppress the black population to
such a great extent, and partitioned Africa into states so
thoughtlessly, that the nations of Africa have not been able to
recover since, even until now. But if this were the case then we would
expect those African countries that were never part of the British
Empire to be somewhat better off than those that were part of the
British Empire. Instead we find that the opposite is the case, that
places like Kenya, Uganda, Ghana, all countries which were at one time
part of the British Empire, are in fact better off than places like
Somalia and Ethiopia, which never were part of anyones empire,
British or otherwise. Indeed, Liberia and Haiti have been black ruled
for hundreds of years, and they are again no better off for it.
Furthermore, if the British ruined the prospects for its colonies then
we would expect to see Hong Kong, which was under the ‘oppressive’
rule of the British for a longer time, to be mired in poverty and
famine too, whereas in fact Hong Kong is one of the wealthiest places
on Earth. The same expectation would apply to places like Singapore
and Malaysia, which are prosperous relative to the rest of the Far
East, but were also once British colonies. If these places were once
ruled by the British and are now richer than their neighbours, then
how can British rule be an explanation for Africas poverty?  In
any case, the British left Africa forty or so years ago, and even if
we had left it in ruins, well, billions of dollars have been poured in
from all over the world since then, and the African nations are worse
off now than they were when the British left. Just contrast the
situation with that of Japan and Germany after the Second World War.
Both countries were utterly devastated by the war, yet within twenty
years both Germany and Japan were once again the most powerful
economies in their respective parts of the world, and have gone from
strength to strength ever since.
4. If blacks are as intelligent as whites and Asians, then when will
black intelligence reveal itself? When will the conditions be right
for black intelligence to be expressed? Where is the evidence that
blacks can, on their own, create an advanced technological society, -
is there any record of one, anywhere, ever? It seems that the white
Western countries, in particular the USA and the UK, have gone to
great lengths to include and accommodate blacks, what with affirmative
action, anti-racism legislation, the promotion of positive stereotypes
in the media, and so on, but over time the situation gets steadily
worse and worse. Does anyone really believe any longer that just one
last push, just one more law threatening to punish white people for
racism, or granting special privileges to black people, or one more
“fresh start”; initiative in Londons schools, is
really going to turn everything around? There are no black minority
communities living in places other than what would normally be
described as white countries, none in places like the Far East, or in
India, so it is impossible to tell whether they would have fared any
better in other non-white parts of the world, but from all the data
that is available, does anyone really think it is likely that they
would? Left to their own devices, Africans had few accomplishments to
their name. There is no record of any written language, or of even a
sailing boat, or two-storey building, African society was (still is)
primitive and its artefacts crude. In earlier times, when people were
not afraid to talk openly about racial differences, it was recognised
that the Africans were dull and unintelligent. Anyone who has had
close contact with black people over a length of time will know that
this perception is generally the correct one. Can one really imagine,
for instance, Heathrow airport operating efficiently if it were
staffed entirely (including the pilots) by blacks. (Just recently
Nigerian airlines was taken over by British Airways).

The evidence of black low intelligence is so overwhelming, and it ties
in so accurately with everything that we observe in Africa and in our
inner cities today, that it impossible not to make the connection. So
why is the manifestly obvious inference never made, why do people go
to any lengths to try to deny it?
Part of the reason must be a desire not to humiliate or hurt the
feelings of blacks. This is a kind sentiment, because it is
undoubtedly true that, rightly or wrongly, human value is closely
associated with intelligence. This response resembles our natural
inclination not to draw unnecessary attention to another
persons physical disability. But the difficulty with our
wishing to be polite, in this particular case, is that the only
alternative explanation for black failure then becomes that white
people are to blame, which is untrue, and whenever a society (or
individual, or animal, for that matter) believes or tries to believe
something that is false, then eventually it will strike against
reality and come to some kind of harm. As an example, white South
Africans and white Rhodesians always knew that blacks were not as
clever as whites and could not manage these countries like white men
could, so they ran them instead and the countries did rather well as a
result, so that the blacks were actually quite well off, better off
than elsewhere in Africa, and in fact South Africa had a problem with
other blacks wanting to get in from neighbouring states, - illegal
immigrants. The size of the black population in these countries
increased considerably during the years of white rule, because the
whites organised the building and running of farms, roads, and mines
and tapped into the natural wealth of these countries, and this
benefited everybody, black and white. Even neighbouring black
countries were able to buy the surplus of grain that was made
available. But now, as a result of white people losing all their power
and influence in these countries, Zimbabwe and South Africa are in
decline, white people are leaving, and relative abundance has been
replaced by famine and drought, which is damaging the whole of Sub
Saharan Africa. But would there have been famine or drought if the
whites had still been in charge? Imagine the international furore if
blacks had been starving in a white ruled African country? It is
indeed ironic that white ‘racist’ farmers were successful in feeding
millions of blacks, but left wing do gooders, by agitating for self
rule, are now the indirect cause of much black hunger. The reason is
that agitators for black self rule believed; or pretended to
believe - what happens to be untrue, - that blacks will run things as
efficiently as whites - whereas the white colonialists believed what
happens to be true, - that blacks are not as competent as whites.

The second objection to the argument that ‘we should not discuss these
things because we must not hurt the feelings of blacks’ is that the
only alternative explanation is that whites are the cause of black
failure, and since white people are the ‘accused’, then white people
have the right to a defence. It is a fundamental principle of natural
justice that whenever a person is accused of wrongdoing then they must
be allowed to defend themselves, no matter how heinous the crime is
that they are accused of. (Of course, the right to defend oneself
against the accusation of white racism causing black failure would
still exist even if white racism was indeed the cause of black
failure.) One cannot cite white racism as the cause of black failure,
and then forbid that white people should have the right to defend
themselves against this charge. That would be unfair and contrary to
natural justice. And if the defendants, white people, call upon
evidence, the facts assembled in 1,2,3,4 above, that might hurt the
feelings of the plaintiff, black people, then they should not have
brought the charge of ‘racism’ against whites in the first place.

Hence I conclude that it is reasonable that this line of argument -
the overwhelming evidence of low IQ as being the true cause of black
failure in Western societies, and of the continued poverty in Africa -
should be allowed to enter the debate. I also believe that the
argument is a compelling one and that white people indeed are not
responsible for black failure, and the true cause of black failure
lies in low IQ.

I will assume that if anyone responds to this post with name calling
(I think we all know what name I mean) then they will have
acknowledged that they have lost the argument.

“I as a mixed race man [...]” (—“s")

That should be “mixed species”.  If you’re part English, part Polish, let’s say, or part English, part Basque, or part German, part Sardinian, or part Japanese, part Tibetan, or part Tahitian, part Fijian, or part Vietnamese, part Filipino, or part Bulgarian, part Icelandic, or part Hutu, part Watusi you’re properly called a mixed-race man.  If you’re part English and part Negro, on the other hand, you’re an interspecies hybrid.  By itself there’s nothing wrong with being an interspecies-hybrid or a member of a different species altogether, as is nicely illustrated by the fictional “Mr. Spock” and “Capt. Kirk” in Star Trek, who seem very happy as distinct species.  It doesn’t by itself mean one is “better than” the other (although other facts may shed light on that, in regard to certain criteria).

“Mixed race people are beautiful.”

That’s why all the Jews are listening to Prof. Ziv and running out and marrying Negro spouses.  It’s been a veritable Jewish stampede.

Notice how all who could not formulate their own arguments speak up once someone who could even be bothered to do some research has published what they believe to be a winning argument.

I would ask all those who could not even formulate their own arguments to take a back seat.

How could I possibly reply to such a comprehensive post without first gathering my evidence and sources to support my claims?  In the meantime I would ask martin_uk to cite his sources especially the results of the IQ tests he refers to in 1.

Much of your claim to Africa’s lack of civilisation and contribution to technology derives from your lack of study into the great African civilisations that made advancements in many sciences that even surpassed those of Europeans pre- colonialistation.

Your misinformation also derives from your forefather’s efforts to hide the true accomplishments of pre-colonial Africa.

I would say also that African’s would find the so called intelligence of the superior white man to be quite boring.  This would be more due to cultural differences than any claim to inferior intelligence.

I would ask the intelligent white many to read recent bbc reports that show that black African girls are outperforming white boys in high school tests, and that also black and Caribbean boys and girls are outperforming whites on preschool tests.

I suppose that the ignorant schoolboys who believe Africans are a completely different species would also be quite hurt to discover that Africa is the birthplace of man.

Watch this post.

S, get it through your thick head. This is not a debating society. This is a place where our side learn from the masters. Martin_uk was nice enough to type out that answer yet any of the regulars could have done the same thing. They have more important things to do than knock heads with you. Go somewhere else if you want your beliefs discredited, or just shut up and read the multitude of articles on this site.

S, here are some articles on blacks you should find interesting.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Others.html

Your Eurocentric claims to white superiority are flawed.  Even The most respected critics of an Afrocentric viewpoint of history betray your racist scholars. 

You lay claim to all technological advancement in this world but the first real European civilisations were inspired by the Egyptians (Africans/Mediterranean).  I quote:

“ Whilst acknowledging that the ancient Egyptian population was ‘mixed’, a fact confirmed by all the anthropological analyses, writers nevertheless speak of an Egyptian ‘race’, linking it to a well defined human type, the white, ‘Hamitic’ branch, also called ‘Caucasoid’, ‘Mediterranean’, ‘Europid’ or ‘Eurafricanid’. There is a contradiction here: all the anthropologists agree in stressing the sizeable proportion of the Negroid element--almost a third and sometimes more--in the ethnic [i.e. biological] mixture of the ancient Egyptian ‘population’, but nobody has yet defined what is meant by the term ‘Negroid’, nor has any explanation been proffered as to how this Negroid element, by mingling with a ‘Mediterranean’ component often present in smaller proportions, could be assimilated into a purely Caucasoid race.”

Jean Vercoutter,

Europeans lay false claim to the great Multicultural and mainly black civilisation of Egypt, where it is accepted that Greeks took much inspiration for building their nation.

Before the Greeks, barbarians (Europeans) et al were no better that the grass skirt wearing Africans.  In fact they were technologically behind.

Studies have shown that black children score better on pre-school entry tests before they enter into the “white” schooling systems, where they are subjected to the foundations lay by whites to benefit white children.

Black children are just as intelligent as white children they are just not getting the proper education in a system designed for the advancement of whites.

Again Britain is moving toward being a truly multicultural society.  Britain realises the need for a school system that benefits its minorities and are making drastic changes for this purpose.  Live with it! Don’t hate blacks.

“Don’t hate blacks.”

I don’t.  I only hate people who are tedious and boring, and that goes for tedious, boooooring Negroes. 

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The people that attend this forum try to present their information in an intelligent way, but are really just schoolboy racists that falsify events and make ridiculous comments about their fellow man.

You display your true ignorance by name-calling remember.

btw thanks Retew.

The hypothesis that the ancient Egyptians were a predominantly “white” civilization was viable in the heyday of European colonialism, but is today regarded as (racist) pseudoscience. However, several neo-Nazi and racist groups such as Stormfront still hold this myth to be true, holding that ancient Egypt was a “Nordic desert empire."[51] This view enjoys no support whatsoever among researchers of ancient Egypt for the simple reason that there is no evidence for it, and enormous evidence against it.

wikipedia

Al Ross,

Some of the sources you people quote (if any) are ridiculous.  This latest site looks like something built by a mentally retarded individual.

I mean who would take a site that looked like that seriously.  It bears an uncanny resemblance to a UFO conspiracy site built by a seriously troubled backward schizophrenic whose only education, if any, is the discovery channel and other sites of a similar variety. 

I mean at least when I give information it is from someone, or somewhere that has some credibility.

I will not post here any more, as I cannot be dealing with this backward dialogue.

s, the fact that Tom Shelly couches his verifiable info on Africans in the ‘black’ humour of which you disapprove doesnt alter the nature of the facts - intractable little devils unamenable to any rebuttals so far offered by you.

I truly wish that the number of Whites raped and murdered by savage Blacks in the US since the government foolishly ended segregation in the 1960’s was as small as the number of Blacks treated likewise by the Ku Klux Klan during the whole of the 20th Century.

I understand that all races practiced slavery, but this does not take us away from the problems of European Slavery and its descendants of slaves within Britain and America. 

We will leave the evil slave traders of other races for another discussion?

Yuezhus you sound like you have some intelligence so I will accept what you said on face value about the achievements of European races pre-Roman Empire.  I do not aim to devalue the “good” elements of European history.

Lets not forget that Africans were trading with Europeans and Arabs for many years. Look at Timbuktu.  You can also look at Great Zimbabwe and their advancements in architecture.

There is also evidence of impressive African advancements within Mathematics in the pre-colonial period.

It is a common myth amongst the bigots of this world that without whites Africans where uncivilised and unable to develop any form of civilisation: look at Ashanti, Zulu, Ethiopia, Mali, Shogay for examples of viable African states with more or less complete political and social structure

Also we have not unlocked much of the history of Africa so it is very wrong to take the Eurocentric standpoint that has been done for many years and assume the worst.

In an attempt to assist the stupid Africans who are unable to look after themselves, this misguided woman has donated (wasted)millions of pounds :

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1352124.0.0.php

“Rather than base your judgment on racial views such as those expressed by martin_uk.” (—s)

Hey why’d he leave me out???  My views were just as racial as martin_uk’s!  I’m insulted!

Hey now I get it!  This guy’s a clever, witty WN who’s spoofing afrocentrism!  Why didn’t I see it before?  It fits!  And he’s going a hilarious job!  Great, now that I finally realize what’s going on I’m laughing my ass off!  LOLOLOL!!!  Nice work, “s”!!!  And hey it’s good to see you’re really one of us!  (Sorry I didn’t “get it” before now!)

->Fred Scooby

Having nothing better to say he mocks my stance?  Very nice.  Why don’t you go back to your cowboy web resources, and pseudo history books and try to disprove what I am saying, or better still go find a religion and instil upon your sorry mind some sense of righteousness.

I am most certainly not one of you.

No, I represent the more moral, compassionate and informed kind of the British Society.

It pains you to see your sense of superiority decline as we approach a more sophisticated and compassionate age.

Either these women are demonstrating the most advanced/quickest form of evolution ever seen in mankind (scary). Or your IQ test propaganda just represents another form of the racist bigots meagre attempts at spreading unfounded and ill resourced psuedo-science.

s, you seem to be experiencing some difficulty with the English language. You made a comment on MR and I referred to you as a commentator. Perhaps you are linguistically more comfortable communicating in the untranscribed grunts and clicks of your Black forebears.

Your desparate canard about Black girls’ scholastic superiority to White boys is risible. Blacks wreck, degrade and pollute every White institution stupid enough to admit such savages and when Whites build a city like Detroit and Blacks inundate the place, ruination is as sure as Coons in a Crackhouse.

Maybe Haiti is still learning from its mistakes, maybe in 50 years they will manage to resolve their problems.

I don’t know what the stupidest remark of the month was but that’s one of the funniest.

Comparing Haiti to Britain would be like comparing Microsoft to a start-up software house created by two final year graduates who are on course for many mistakes and set backs.

Haiti became independent very early in the 19th century. It’s almost as old as the USA. Would you like to compare its progress to younger countries such as New Zealand or the Rep. of Ireland?

In English inner-city state schools the preponderately Leftist, female teachers apply their own anti-White-male affirmative action programme. It works this way : Continuous assessment is used in curriculum planning and counts for a great deal because it is less academically demanding and deemed more suitable to both the Black psyche and the female temperament, the latter performing less well in ‘do or die’ end-of-term examinations.

Also the mainly female (White) teaching staff ignore (and doubtless abhor) the EGI of their own group and, having studied ‘feminism’ at what passes for university these days, favour girls over boys, with the outcome being that the grades are the result of cultural bias.

Such scholastic perversion is designed to enable social engineering and has about as much to do with true education as Africans have to do with intellectual achievement.

More goodbyes than Cher. Have a Thirdworldfuxated day.

With reference to your very own ‘IQ and the Wealth of Nations’.

The cowboy resources you people use in your quest to prove white supremacy over blacks are just simply unsound.

In order to support your primitive stance, you even resort to propagating the unsubstantiated view that your own kind must be being culturally biased.

In true Eurocentric style you ignore hard facts and base your hypothetical propaganda on assumptions and questionable sources.

One argument I have is that the data used in your referenced IQ tests rely upon flawed and incomplete geographical sampling . Not to mention the countless assumptions and errors the authors in this book make. Also in true academia, publications must undergo some form of peer review before their truths can be accepted by the mainstream.

What follows is a comprehensive wikipedia extract that simply proves my point.

IQ and the Wealth of Nations’ was not peer-reviewed before publication but was published by a publisher of academic literature.

Several negative reviews have been published in the scholarly literature. Susan Barnett and Wendy Williams wrote that “we see an edifice built on layer upon layer of arbitrary assumptions and selective data manipulation. The data on which the entire book is based are of questionably validity and are used in ways that cannot be justified."[3] They also wrote that cross country comparisons are “virtually meaningless.” Ken Richardson wrote “This is not so much science, then, as a social crusade. The Pioneer Fund of America, champion of many dubious causes in the past, will obtain little credit from having assisted this one."[4] Thomas Nechyba wrote of “relatively weak statistical evidence and dubious presumptions."[5] Astrid Ervik asked “are people in rich countries smarter than those in poorer countries?” and concluded that “the authors fail to present convincing evidence and appear to jump to conclusions."[6]

Denny Borsbom (2006) finds that mainstream contemporary test analysis does not reflect substantial recent developments in the field and “bears an uncanny resemblance to the psychometric state of the art as it existed in the 1950s.” For example, it notes that IQ and the Wealth of Nations, in order to show that the tests are unbiased, use outdated methodology, if anything indicative of that test bias exist.[7]

Thomas Volken wrote that the study is “neither methodologically nor theoretically convincing."[8] Although critical of the IQ data, for the sake of argument Volken assumes that the data is correct but then criticizes the statistical methods used, finding no effect on growth or income. Using the same assumption, Garett Jones and W. Joel Schneider report a strong connection between intelligence and economic growth.[9]

Lynn has been frequently criticized as a Pioneer fund grantee.

The figures were obtained by taking unweighted averages of different IQ tests. The number of studies is very limited; the IQ figure is based on one study in 34 nations, two studies in 30 nations. There were actual tests for IQ in 81 nations. In 104 of the world’s nations there were no IQ studies at all and IQ was estimated based on IQ in surrounding nations.[21] The number of participants in each study was usually limited, often numbering under a few hundred. The exceptions to this were the United States and Japan, for which studies using more than several thousand participants are available.

Many nations are very heterogeneous ethnically. This is true for many developing countries. It is very doubtful that an often limited number of participants from one or a few areas are representative for the population as whole.

Studies that were averaged together often used different methods of IQ testing, different scales for IQ values and/or were done decades apart. IQ in children is different although correlated with IQ later in life and many of the studies tested only young children.

A test of 108 9-15-year olds in Barbados, of 50 13-16-year olds in Colombia, of 104 5-17-year olds in Ecuador, of 129 6-12-year olds in Egypt, of 48 10-14-year olds in Equatorial Guinea, and so on, all were taken as measures of ‘national IQ’.[22]

The notion that there is such a thing as a culturally neutral intelligence test is disputed.[23][24][25][26][27] There are many difficulties when one is measuring IQ scores across cultures, and in multiple languages. Use of the same set of exams requires translation, with all its attendant difficulties and possible misunderstandings in other cultures.[28] To adapt to this, some IQ test rely on non-verbal approaches, which involve pictures, diagrams, and conceptual relationships (such as in-out, big-small, and so on).

One common criticism is that many of the countries with the best average scores are those where testing (e.g. American SATs, baccalaureate examinations) is a crucial aspect of the educational process, and that many of these tests (esp. the SATs) have been shown to be very similar to IQ tests. In these nations, because students study extensively for the high-stakes examinations, it is quite possible that IQ scores are higher because people are subjected to frequent examinations for which they prepare extensively.

There are also errors in the raw data presented by authors. The results from Vinko Buj’s 1981 study of 21 European cities and the Ghanaian capital Accra used different scaling from Lynn and Vanhanen’s. A comparison of the reported to actual data from only a single study found 5 errors in 19 reported IQ scores.[29][30]

As noted earlier, in many cases arbitrary adjustments were made by authors to account for the Flynn effect or when the authors thought that the studies were not representative of the ethnic or social composition of the nation.

One critic writes: “Their scheme is to take the British Ravens IQ in 1979 as 100, and simply add or subtract 2 or 3 to the scores from other countries for each decade that the relevant date of test departs from that year. The assumptions of size, linearity and universal applicability of this correction across all countries are, of course, hugely questionable if not breathtaking. Flynn’s original results were from only 14 (recently extended to twenty) industrialised nations, and even those gains varied substantially with test and country and were not linear. For example, recent studies report increases of eight points per decade among Danes; six points per decade in Spain; and 26 points over 14 years in Kenya (confirming the expectation that newly developing countries would show more rapid gains)."[31]

It is generally agreed many factors, including environment, culture, demographics, wealth, pollution, and educational opportunities, affect measured IQ. See also Health and intelligence.

Fred I would look to the recent findings of some of the “oh so respected” Chinese/Korean (super races as you would have it) scholars for evidence of the importance of peer review.

Fake chip research shocks China
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4771583.stm

S Korea’s ‘disgraced’ national hero:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4468812.stm

It follows that even the most respected academics findings must be questioned before the mainstream accept the results of their research.

Therefore using questionable and moot sources on matters as important and controversial as proving the superior intelligence of a race is downright criminal.

There is no doubt in my mind that much of the academia you reference is nothing but the result of the bigoted academics efforts to produce material in support of the white supremacist crusade.  These academics draw upon thier biased minds to make unfair assumptions to support thier evidence.

An excerpt from your very own reference:

The peer review process aims to make authors meet the standards of their discipline, and of science in general. Publications and awards that have not undergone peer review are likely to be regarded with suspicion by scholars and professionals in many fields. Even refereed journals, however, can contain errors.

Some views on some of the other Scholors of the Notorious Pioneer Fund of America

The views of Dr. Shockley and Dr. Jensen and their supporters, have come under attack recently from, among other sources, the Genetics Society of America, a leading professional organization. In July 1976 it published a statement of its committee on genetics, race and intelligence that was endorsed by nearly 1,400 members.

“In our views there is no convincing evidence as to whether there is or is not an appreciable genetic difference in intelligence between races,” it said.

“Well designed research… may yield valid and socially useful results and should not be discouraged. We feel that geneticists can and must also speak out against the misuse of genetics for political purposes and the drawing of social conclusions from inadequate data.”

Your Pioneer Fund of America must have many experts in the field of statistics (aprt from missing out the few lectures dealing with the importance of solid sampling methods) and must be quite familiar with the methods in which they may be misused to convince the majority by creating politically motivated propaganda and advertising.

Not sure why you’re wasting any of your time with this idiot, Fred.  He’s clearly a fanatical race-denier with very strong personal reasons for holding the position that he does. 

At this late stage, it is virtually impossible to believe that anyone who argues against the notion that: 1. IQ matters and 2. is largely influenced by heredity is not either intellectually dishonest or an outright moron.  The use of the term “Eurocentric” is an even more obvious sign of feeble-mindedness.