Salter: Accept that the State is no longer ours and rebuild radically of our people

Posted by DanielS on Sunday, 21 September 2014 12:11.

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Frank Salter: Accept that the State is no longer ours, that we may rebuild radically anew, embedding our national interests of our people.

In the West people are not mobilized in their own defense and why is that? Our Majorities are faced with a fundamental structural problem.

That is historically based….. when the nation states of Europe were formed (such as) England initially, there were a dozen Kingdoms….the consolidation of those small principalities came about through an implicit promise ..the promise was that the new centralized government would adopt the functions of the small tribal governments: so it would defend the people, on the same principle, it would defend externally and maintain internal peace.. it would not betray the basic interests of the society….there was an implicit understanding or assumption that the elite is invested emotionally in the people, that it is tied to the people, that it comes from the people….the people expected their elites to not be alien, not to hate them, not be hostile towards them, but to be drawn from them, and to actually feel one with them…so there was an assumption of identity defense…of concern about continuity and so on…

That is all broken down now. The elite do not identify with the people anymore - those normal aspirations for identity continuity. The fact is that the nation/state model (two separate terms there) - Nation, the bond of the heart, and State, the apparatus of government - have become separated; they don’t have the same relationship one to the other that they did even a hundred years ago. But still the assumption is there, that those functions are being performed; when the opposite functions are being performed! These States are actually overseeing replacement, a demographic revolution that’s taking place.

So, I argue that in this light what needs to happen is that the Majorities actually, in a way, need to accept their defeat. Sort of a radical thing, some people object to this. But I think we need to accept, acknowledge the profundity of our defeat and accept that the government is no longer ours. The State no longer belongs to the people. Once one has faced that harsh truth, then one can start thinking what we can do to survive in the future as a people.

We need to starve these governments of resources; and rather we must build-up alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people.

We are on a healthy trajectory right now with some fight-back in Europe. But for me the real sign of health will be when Tony Blair finds himself in court charged with treason. That would be a clear sign that something healthy is happening.

You know that the Blair government deliberately set-about to flood Britain with third-world immigrants as a way of breaking the spirit of conservatives…so that they would give up the fight to try to retain their country. I view that as least arguably criminal and if laws don’t exist - and I suspect laws don’t exist for prosecuting people like Blair - the law should be created.

 

      tonyblair
“The real sign of health will be when Tony Blair finds himself in court charged with treason”

 

 

Text transcribed from Red Ice interview with Frank Salter, September 19, 2014
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/09/RIR-140919.php

 



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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 22 Sep 2014 05:13 | #

It seems that I’m getting some negative feedback for not “naming the Jew” in this post, which strikes me as absurd. MR’s platform has built into it as a fundamental pillar that Jews are Other - they are not a part of our advocacy group.

All I was intending with this post was to present state-of-the-art concerns that Frank Salter had brought forth. It is verbatim and was not my intent to editorialize. Here is the comment section and I am not trying to stop anyone from talking about Jews.

In fact, not only is it a part of MR’s platform that Jews are other, the number 7 is kept ready-to-its-hand as representing the key choke-points of the most key antagonists to the interests of European peoples. Thus, who and where our hermenetuic survey and vigil must check and attend most often. That number representing key niches largely controlled by Jewish interests:

1. Academia/“intellectualism”/professional disciplines

2. Banking/finance

3. Law/courts

4. Politics/military industrial

5. Media/news and entertainment/cultural presentations

6. Religion

7. Business/corporations/military industrial


That someone like Blair has had his strings pulled is a given, taken for granted. Of course that doesn’t mean traitors should not be held accountable; and that that is not a valid concern. It is more than valid. We must attend to our own, not just Jews.

However, of our people, WWS recently drew an interesting distinction that I’d never considered.

That between the struggle and genetics.

Roughly, the White working-class are the ones who struggle most and as such, represent the greatest threat to the elite traitors and Jewish interests (thus, are a special target of Jewish antagonism), whereas those who rely on genetics alone are prone to become “effete snobs”, significant traitors thereby.


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Posted by Thorn on Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:12 | #

Deleted. Thorn is a troll.


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Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:59 | #

A few days ago I had a conversation with some nationalists at Western Spring, the site which acts as a focal point for a strategy of white community-building in England.  I felt obligated to respond to a plea by a blogger named Shaun de Moray for activism and the rejection of “metaphysical bullshit” ... an attitude that said, “we don’t need to waste time with thinking, we just need to do stuff.”

http://www.westernspring.co.uk/four-practical-stratergies-for-whites/

I tried repeatedly to explain the question at hand.  Every time the reply came back: “If you’re so smart why won’t you give us some practical answers, then?”  In other words, there is a fatal disconnection between an analytical and a physical approach, with advocates of the latter not only seeing no real purpose in the former but actually fingering it as a negative influence, perhaps even a betrayal.  I am put in mind of a passage in (I think) one of Dostoevsky’s novels I read many years ago, in which a character observes of the Russian peasant that “he is not just without any knowledge himself, he doesn’t believe in the possibility of its existence.”

I see it again in this passage from Salter’s interview.  “We need to starve these governments of resources and building-up alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people,” Salter observes.  Hold on a minute.  Today the people have other ideas.  Waiting while they suffer enough to start thinking straight isn’t activism.  It’s passivism.  Real activism is something prior to this, and it involves a revolutionary war of ideas and of discourse.  Only later does the focus shift to physical activism.

Why is this self-evident fact so elusive for some people?  Are we really a race of Dostoevsky’s peasants?


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Posted by DanielS on Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:56 | #

Wow! My typo and what a difference it makes to understanding what Salter said.

Bold is the typo:

We need to starve these governments of resources and building-up alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people.


Salter said rather, that..

“We need to starve these governments of resources.. and (instead we need to) build-up alternative national organizations that are well embedded in the people.”

Sorry, GW. My mistake.


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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:21 | #

Shaun, you’ve fleshed out an interesting bit here, that “multiculturalism” has been promoted as a new ethic to relate to a pluralistic state:

“If I stood in-front of a group of people and started saying the ”post-modern conception of self has broke the individual from tradition and created a new form of ethics that relates to the pluralistic state, so we must create a language of eternal custom that offer the mass man a tradionalist, post-modern choice away from the decadence of today’s culture” people wouldn’t understand me.”

And there is bit of intellectualism at work there to carry further: as creatures of the post modern predicament we need ways to negotiate our own cultures, traditions and advances (proper changes) in relation to non-natives of European nations, not so that we can accept them as a part of our own nation and state, but so that we can separate from them by not repeating the modernist mistake of treating them as if they are quite the same as us down underneath the burka, the yarmulke, the daishiki, the turban, the dot, the incessantly clicking camera..

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_pejorative_side_of_modernity_or_civilization_competing_theories_or_alli


Lines between theory and practice are being drawn too stark in the arguments of this thread (on Western Spring). There is a place to emphasize both and in that regard, I believe GW has a significant point - as he has stated in conversation with the highly pragmatic TT Metzger: GW asserted that those who are devising practice need a correct assessment of the terms or else the default (which has been so destructive - liberalism) is most liable to reassert itself. With that, I do wish GW would not cop to the (Jewish) abused version of post modernity since, again, it - post modernity proper - is a necessary concept with the alternative of going back to modernity being wholly unacceptable.


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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:34 | #

Moreover, a post modern self (properly understood) would propose that one might well reconnect with tradition and time immemorial forms without the pangs of self loathing for the appearance of conformity; while having the capacity to treat outsiders as outsiders. That is unlike the detached, modernist self, which is compelled to assert its difference from tradition lest its “competence” be looked-upon as highly suspect and rather reflecting a reliance upon outmoded customs - incited rather as demonstrating incapacity for innovative adaptation, it must bravely, objectively risk even its most precious resources to other peoples as if they are quite the same in essence - for that is the price of foundational, objective truth that is still promised by the “intellectual” powers that be, who take advantage of this loophole - of modernity - in European thinking that existed prior to the post modern turn.

That is not to say that there are not firm criteria of what is English and what is not, but the fact is that the YKW can take advantage of the fact that English people can deviate from that objective criteria unless called to account culturally, by people with established rules - the absence and the non-understanding of which will be taken advantage of by the YKW and others. Clarification thus renders a significant task for intellectualism.


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Posted by XPWA on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:02 | #

All I was intending with this post was to present state-of-the-art concerns that Frank Salter had brought forth

Perhaps state-of-the-art in 2014 for Salter and you.  State of the ‘art’ circa 2007 and earlier for other people. 

So, I argue that in this light what needs to happen is that the Majorities actually, in a way, need to accept their defeat. Sort of a radical thing, some people object to this. But I think we need to accept, acknowledge the profundity of our defeat and accept that the government is no longer ours. The State no longer belongs to the people. Once one has faced that harsh truth, then one can start thinking what we can do to survive in the future as a people.

Different people face this harsh truth at different times.  I faced it well over a decade ago.

Quite a few years ago I and others spent a great deal time and effort articulating - here on MR - what is now presented as ‘state of the art’. 

The bold texted observation is precisely the reason we rejected all ideas and efforts aimed at galvanizing some mythical latent majority into doing something that is ultimately aimed at “Take Back” memes.  For example, “take back” the House of Commons or the US Congress. 

We need to starve these governments of resources; and rather we must build-up alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people.

Sure.  And back then we analyzed at great length the resource and cash flows that sustain “these governments”, a/k/a “ZOG”.  However, “these governments” are socio-political-economic constructs that are more extensive than mere formal bureaucratic government structures. And indeed their main power centers lie completely outside formal governmental structures.  This is the primary reason for their durable continuity despite periodic shifts in nominal political power.

The entire proposition of the micro-community, “Pioneer Little Europe” or whatever one wishes to label it was derived from the dual proposition of simultaneously starving “ZOG” of its resource flows and feeding The People.  These resource flows are almost entirely composed of financial extractions of all kinds from trade flows.

The basic problem with the non-Movement in facing “ZOG” or “Liberalism” is its habitual and now instinctive surrender of Today in favor of Yesterday and Tomorrow. 

 

 


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Posted by DanielS on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:18 | #

Ok, so “state of the art” may have been the wrong word, but the leading edge of what can float by means of an esteemed and mainstream academic ..it is pretty radical considering his position and profile.


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Posted by XPWA on Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:39 | #

the leading edge of what can float by means of an esteemed and mainstream academic

And?

Mainstream Academia itself turned toxic during the 20th Century.  It is now a primary vector of white racial-ethnic destruction.  That two academics (Salter & MacDonald) out of 2,000 or 20,000 may plainly state this obvious fact will never be dangerous to the ruling regime.

Fortunately Bricks N Mortar Academia itself is both obsolete and irrelevant to Salter’s call for a ” build-up (of) alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people”.

Developing ‘alternate’ modes of debt-free and preexisting institution free education is one practical example of the ‘national organization building’ activity Salter now calls for.

Happily this has never been easier to do than it is today.


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Posted by DanielS on Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:27 | #

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Posted by XPWA on September 24, 2014, 12:39 PM | #

the leading edge of what can float by means of an esteemed and mainstream academic

“And?”

Discussion (not merely contentious, which has been the usual MR fare), description, analysis, critique, coordination…

Euro-DNA Nation.. Sortocracy and other means of coordination and organization.


“Mainstream Academia itself turned toxic during the 20th Century.  It is now a primary vector of white racial-ethnic destruction.  That two academics (Salter & MacDonald) out of 2,000 or 20,000 may plainly state this obvious fact will never be dangerous to the ruling regime.”

No need to be dismissive of Salter. He is very good.

He is authoritative and speaks with strong warrant of those concerned for European E.G.I.

And MacDonald is authoritative on the J.Q., acquits himself very well despite dealing with a socially stigmatic issue.

“Fortunately Bricks N Mortar Academia itself is both obsolete and irrelevant to Salter’s call for a ” build-up (of) alternate national organizations that are well embedded in the people”.

That is why we might pursue the Euro-DNA Nation (for example) among other means of organization.

“Developing ‘alternate’ modes of debt-free and preexisting institution free education is one practical example of the ‘national organization building’ activity Salter now calls for.”

Sure, and several forms are being considered here, will be pursued further.

We’re doing our best, welcoming those who fit our parameters, not obstructing those who want to go to other forums to pursue different parameters.

“Happily this has never been easier to do than it is today.”

Indeed.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:48 | #

The only answers are education in racial realities, and then, first, self/familial/communal segregation, followed by eventual secession and sovereignty. There is no other possibility. I call this “White Zion” (WN ingathering with an ultimate goal of sovereign electoral conquest).


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Posted by katana on Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:16 | #

The Red Ice interview with Frank Salter is worth a listen to.

I like the guy as he comes across as a very thoughtful, honest and sincere person. That said, he also comes across as someone who hasn’t quite figured it all out and is groping around in the dark. His halting manner of speaking on the topic reflects that.

By that I mean his whole analysis lacks a cause or agency, it lacks a center, a core motive power pushing for what is going on in the mass import of the third world into our countries. Sure he mentions Boas, the takeover of our universities, our media and our government by brainwashed adherents of an ideology that is out to destroy us. He does all that yet fails to mention or hint at the elephant in the room, aka, the jews.

Why doesn’t he?

I suspect because he is genuinely in the thrall of the “Holocaust” story. He’s a believer in the jew yarns and therefore dare not take his analysis to its obvious direction and conclusion, aka, that jewish supremacists are behind the wholesale subversion and destruction of our societies.

There’s also the practical consideration of a need to earn a living as a consultant. But I don’t think this is his primary motivation, as he sounds like a decent person interested in the truth.
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Posted by GenoType on Sat, 27 Sep 2014 02:20 | #

Quite a few years ago I and others spent a great deal time and effort articulating - here on MR - what is now presented as ‘state of the art’.

Funny, isn’t it?

Every few months I make a grand tour of the “red-pilling Dissident Right/Alt-Right/Dark Enlightenment” and am amused by what I read:

1.  Autonomous communities. Robotics. Water power.  Suburban “farming.” Alt-currencies.
2.  Plutocrats, oligarchy, speculators, and socialized risk named as sources of the problem.
3.  Government relegated to administrators/enforcers for the oligarchs.
4.  Statements made of “money loaned into existence.”
5.  Talk of “high-tech Amish or Mennonite” communities.  “Let a thousand Oranias bloom.”
6.  Populism, anti-globalism.
7.  A decidedly non-libertarian, if not anti-libertarian outlook.
8.  Secession/reconquest.

From writers and commentators; there’s a handful over Taki’s, of all places!

To give the Bowery Boy his due, I’ve seen his concept of “virulence” discussed.  No attribution, of course, but a genuine white patriot does not give a damn about that kind of thing.

I think it’s wonderful.  Better late than never.

 

 

 


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Posted by DanielS on Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:29 | #

It’s time to get past this modernist pathology of something being considered unimportant or insignificant if it is not perfectly new. That is the strange loop of modernity: “This is not new - work to change - celebrate change - this no longer new - set about to change..”..on and on it goes.

As far as I know, Salter clarified and extended notions of E.G.I. that E.O. Wilson had put forth. I remember Wilson talking about the introduction of one sub-Saharan African into European culture being equivalent to x amount (more than one) death of a European child. Salter calculated that it is actually much worse, in fact exponentially worse in terms of E.G.I.

Particularly as it is operationally verifiable, this provides powerful warrant to defend prejudices and racial discrimination.

It could correspond to a powerful warrant for White men to asset in their defense - that miscegenating White women can have equivalence to rapists and pedophiles in terms of destruction of E.G.I. and destruction of social capital.


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Posted by Leon Haller on Wed, 01 Oct 2014 07:43 | #

L.H. will be taking his views elsewhere. For those interested, he may be contacted at:

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Posted by EthnocentricPathology on Wed, 08 Oct 2014 04:31 | #

More reversal of terms by the YKW

Psychopathology and Racial Self-Hate among Whites

October 6, 2014 — Kevin MacDonald

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/psychopathology-and-racial-self-hate-among-whites/

A prominent feature of the Frankfurt School was the ideology that ethnocentrism among Whites (but not Jews) was a psychopathology. This weapon was taken up by the organized Jewish community which claimed that pro-White and anti-Jewish attitudes were literally public health problems and popularized phrases like “virulent anti-Semitism,” analogizing anti-Jewish attitudes to the spread of a virus.

This campaign has been incredibly successful among Whites. Whites who have internalized this pathogen naturally suppress such attitudes, and they do so despite their universality, and despite the reality that ethnic self-interest is eminently rational from an evolutionary perspective. And even despite the fact that many of those promoting this pathogen are proudly ethnocentric themselves.

But the campaign has been very effective: No one wants to publicly express attitudes that mark one as a psychiatric case.

Given the rationality and the evolutionary imperative of ethnic interests, there is the opposite suggestion — that at least some of the Whites who express such attitudes are suffering from a psychopathology. After all, the great majority of humanity is, to varying degrees, ethnocentric. and proud of it. What’s wrong with Whites?

This suggests that we should look for signs of psychopathology among Whites who are virulently (to borrow the ADL’s term) anti-White. This is not to suggest that all or even most Whites who express anti-White attitudes are suffering from psychopathology. In fact, the anti-White revolution is massively incentivized, so that a great many normal Whites, from university presidents and corporate executives, to media figures, politicians, and diversity entrepreneurs, personally benefit from White dispossession, both financially as well as in terms of having access to elite positions.

Such people are short-sighted: In the long run, their descendants will suffer incalculably from their sins. But they are definitely living the good life for now.

And of course, many Whites are simply tuned out of their racial dispossession, especially if they don’t live near the areas inundated by non-Whites. They are enjoying their hobbies, raising their kids, and trying to live a good life. They are well aware that publicly expressing pro-White attitudes will lead to job loss and social ostracism. And they are pacified because nothing they see in the mainstream media is likely to make them feel that they ought to care about their impending dispossession.

Nevertheless, as the previous link shows, Whites are not happy about becoming a minority — despite the best efforts of the media to lull White America to sleep about their dispossession. And if things get dicey when their communities change, there’s still time and space to move away.

One obvious place to look for psychopathology is pathological empathy/altruism, common enough among Whites (and more common among Whites than any other group—the Northwest Europe culture of guilt and empathy). Pathological empathy facilitated by the media (which is forever promoting altruism by Whites toward suffering non-Whites) is doubtless important for many of the extreme anti-White statements and behaviors that are so common these days. Such people are at the extreme of a normal psychological trait— what is termed Nurturance/Love in personality psychology (here, p. 281ff). Too much of a good thing.

But here I want to discuss another form of the psychopathology of White racial self-hate, on display in a Huffpo op-ed by one Pastor Renita Marie, M.Div. (“White Privilege on the Streets of Ferguson“). Rev. Marie is overflowing with White guilt:

  Being white is not all it is cracked up to be — at least not for those who are really aware. There’s no escaping the ugly history of those who look like me, those who have historically terrorized and dehumanized some part of nearly every culture including our own. In the past I carried much shame and embarrassment about being white.

  When Michael Brown was murdered I found myself sobbing while unconsciously rubbing my skin until it started to hurt. Was I trying to rub away my whiteness?

Rev. Marie has not only suffered tremendous guilt and shame because of her Whiteness, she destroyed the Whiteness of her children by having two Black children. It must have seemed the only moral thing to do given the evil of Whiteness So this puts her in the upper reaches of liberal goodness — just the sort to be posted by Huffpo. She is what Theodor Adorno termed a “genuine liberal.”

The reference to Adorno and the Frankfurt School is relevant here because a major part of their program was to find the origins of White ethnocentrism in disturbed parent-child relations (reviewed in Chapter 5 of Culture of Critique). In my review I concluded that the Frankfurt School had used psychoanalysis, which is infinitely pliable, to create an upside-down world where ethnocentric Whites had parents who didn’t love them. In fact, based on their own data, I concluded the opposite.

  Because of their fundamentally political program of indicting gentile culture and especially gentiles who represent the most successful and culturally approved members of their society, the authors of The Authoritarian Personality were forced to adopt a psychodynamic perspective in which all of the relationships were inverted. Surface insecurity becomes [via psychoanalysis] a sign of deep-felt security and a realistic perspective on life. Surface security and self-confidence [via psychoanalysis] become signs of deep insecurities and unresolved hostilities symptomatic of a fear of “looking inside.” (p. 185)

My theory, in a nutshell (and ignoring genetic influences on ethnocentrism—probably irrelevant here anyway because her family of origin was quite ethnocentric) predicts that when parents have good relationships with their children, they identify with their parents and seek to emulate their values. This is one way that evolution shapes children’s attitudes (here, p. 43). Good parents are good transmitters of their culture. If the parents value their people and their culture and have loving, affectionate relationships with the children, the children will tend to adopt their attitudes, and if not, they won’t.

However, when there is hostility between parent and child, children reject the values of their parents. So if the parents are are pro-White, the children will reject them and end up hating their people and culture..


....One moral is that if you want to impart healthy attitudes about race and culture to your children, you should embed them in a loving and trusting environment. Such an environment is not a panacea, given that children are quickly indoctrinated when they go to school and when they watch television and listen to music. But it is certainly a step in the right direction.

....read full story at Occidental Observer

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/psychopathology-and-racial-self-hate-among-whites/

 

 


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Posted by FrankenFolk on Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:26 | #

Frank Salter on Race and Nation in Australia
October 11, 2014 — Kevin MacDonald

Frank Salter has published a collection of essays titled The War on Human Nature in Australia’s Political Culture, reviewed favorably by John Derbyshire at Vdare.com. It consists of six essays, five of which previously appeared in Quadrant, an Australian political magazine.

Read more at Occidental Observer:

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/10/frank-salter-on-race-and-nation-in-australia/


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Posted by wobble on Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:37 | #

@XPWA

I think there’s a difference - mainly of physical scale - between countries like the US, Canada and Australia on the one hand and Europe on the other which makes total media control more difficult and collective action easier so although I agree the PWE option may have always been the best option in some places - like the US - but I don’t think it’s necessarily true everywhere.

 



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