The Ghosts of the Past by Graham Lister
Nationalism has a rancid stench. It has been thought pivotal to some of the worse horrors of recent human history, yet it will not go away. If, as a character from Joyce’s Ulysses suggests, “History, Stephen said, is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake” then one of the most persistent phantoms haunting our nightly terrors is nationalism, particularly in the conditions of our freshly constructed ‘global’ village, built primarily through the medium of neoliberalism (the most successful ideology in history). In the UK thinkers as wildly different as the ‘deep-blue’ conservative Roger Scruton and the Marxian theorist of nationalism (and Scottish nationalist) Tom Nairn both write with perceptive insights into the phenomena of nations and nationalism. Like any other ism, nationalism has its own internal spectrum. And due to its overall plasticity nationalism is hard to place within any conventional political axiality. It can take almost any political form and find support from anywhere in the ideological firmament – witness the radical-chic associated with various decolonization struggles – or indeed the burbling of the blessed Saint Michel (of Foucault) over the exciting new ‘political spirituality’ unleashed by the Iranian revolutionaries. However, some forms of nationalism are generally considered to have been radio-actively toxic. Approximately eighty years ago, events occurred, which were obscure at the time, from whose dire consequences the world has not yet totally recovered. The location was Munich, capital of the historic Kingdom of Bavaria and second city of the recently formed all-German Reich. The time was five years after the end of World War I, when this new would-be imperial state had been defeated, and then both punished harshly and utterly humbled by the victors. What was to become the most extreme currency inflation in history had begun. By that autumn the Reichsbank would be issuing 100-trillion-mark notes; it took a pocketful of them to buy a US dollar. In the stygian murkiness, reckless and despairing forces multiplied. Munich was their favoured venue, combining as it did comparative economic backwardness, cultural vivacity and a particularism as yet incompletely reconciled to German unity. Many Bavarians perceived the latter as a form of domination; distrustful and resentful of the centralism of the Weimar Republic as much as its supposed leftism and openness to ‘Jewish influences’. One upshot of this was that all-German nationalism assumed an especially shrill and raucous form there. Immediately after the war an independent Bavarian Soviet Republic had been proclaimed under the leadership of the socialist Kurt Eisner, deposing the native Wittelsbach monarchy and calling on the other German states to follow its revolutionary example. The call was not answered, and the regime endured for only a few months [to be replaced by Ernst Toller’s even briefer Bavarian Soviet Republic - Ed]. What it did succeed in doing was to arouse the fear of death among the predominantly conservative cadres of the stately old capital on the Isar, as well as in Bavaria’s 80 percent Catholic countryside. The significance of that milieu for the rise of German Fascism has been underlined in a remarkable study by David Large, W” title=“Where Ghosts Walked: Munich’s Road to the Third Reich”>Where Ghosts Walked: Munich’s Road to the Third Reich. His title comes from Stephan George’s poem on the city, evoking the Frauenkirche or Kirk of Our Lady, in sight of whose spires alone the true Münchner feels at home on a “soil as yet untouched by bane, in the town of folk and youth”. Within its charmed walls amiable ghosts from the past still walked in broad daylight, and blessed or consecrated the present. Later on, Thomas Mann, perhaps the greatest of Munich writers, was to give a bitterly antithetic representation of those same ghosts. Are they not also the darkly medieval spirit of ‘Kaisersaschern’ in “Doktor Faustus” - the well of the Devil himself, whose waters flow through Adrian Leverkühn’s hypnotic music before driving him to madness and death? While Berlin was becoming one of the world’s most cosmopolitan cities Munich slid irresistibly into provincialism. Among those drawn to the Bavarian capital was would-be architect Adolf Hitler. Originally a draft-dodger from the Hapsburg Empire, he joined the Bavarian army instead and became a trench-messenger during the war. We know why he liked Munich. “A heartfelt love seized me for this city”, he wrote in the 1920s, “... what a difference from Vienna! I grew sick to my stomach when I even thought back on that Babylon of races … Most of all I was attracted by this wonderful marriage of primordial power and fine artistic mood ... [which] remains inseparably bound up with the development of my own life”. The terms are interesting. Much later on ‘primordial’ became the customary term for theories ascribing an ethnic or pre-modern foundation to nineteenth-and twentieth-century nation-states. The artistic mood was that of a mind capable of imagining national community along just such lines - through the hypnotic rear-view mirror of feigned retrospect and mythology. Hitler returned from the Bavarian army in 1919 as a ‘political education agent’ - effectively a political snitch paid to infiltrate new political organizations and report back to the authorities. One of these was a small gang of (mainly) war veterans calling itself the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or Workers’ Party. It numbered only a few dozen but was seen as having anti-Bolshevik ‘potential’. The bosses encouraged their agent to join and help fund and then lead it; and a few months later it was able to stage a successful mass meeting in the Hofbräuhaus, a city-centre beer-cellar. There something astounding happened. The sickly-looking Austrian spoke for the first time before a large audience, announcing the movement’s new twenty-five-point radical programme while his fellow-members held opponents at bay with truncheons and well-aimed beer-mugs. The platform included nationalization of trusts and the confiscation of war profits, but that was not what gripped the listeners. It was the voice itself - a raucous, snarling furnace-blast from some scarcely human region, sounding indeed like the echo of primordial will, over-riding every doubt, uncertainty and liberal scruple. The Workers’ Party (later the National-Socialist Party, or ‘Nazis’ for short in the Munich vernacular) had made its mark. Its leader wrote afterwards: “When I finally closed the meeting, I was not alone in thinking that a wolf had been born that was destined to break into the herd of deceivers and misleaders of the people”. In time that wolf was to come within measurable distance of continental domination. But as Large argues, the womb it gestated in was Munich, and it was with good reason that Hitler insisted this city was the spiritual home of the Third Reich. After its monstrous birth, the NSDAP grew into a mass movement capable of taking over the whole city-centre for its first rally in January 1923. Some months previously, Mussolini’s Italian Fascist Party had leapt into power following the march on Rome, and pressure mounted for a comparable coup in Bavaria. Now supported by significant parts of the Munich establishment, the Nazis planned a three-day political carnival to culminate on Sunday, 28 January. Conservative historian Karl Alexander von Müller attended its main event, and published a memoir about it. He recalled how “the hot breath of hypnotic mass enthusiasm” attained its unexampled climax as Hitler led his entourage through the shouting masses:
This was the first of the ‘Party Days’ which, after 1933, were turned into great state and media occasions. The best known is that of 1934, filmed by régime cinematographer Leni Riefenstahl as Triumph of the Will. But the triumphalist path was laid eleven years before, when the party occupied and defended its original lair against rivals and opponents, with the connivance of a local élite more afraid of ‘Jewish Bolshevism’ and a heartless capitalism than of those claiming to voice ancestral blood and instinct. What was the source of the latter’s hypnotic power? On a personal level the physical voice was obviously important. Innumerable commentators would remark, like Müller, on Hitler’s insignificance and ordinariness. But part of his authority must have lain in the sheer contrast between these features and his vocal cords. When he projected his voice in public it was as if the ‘wolf’ was released, its power bizarrely amplified by the banality of the source. As McLuhan observed in the 1960s, the voice was coincidentally appropriate to the new communication age just then being inaugurated by radio. “Where Ghosts Walked” throws more light upon one specific and important factor in the equation. Large’s emphasis on Bavaria suggests how the specific toxins of German nationalism arose partly out of a fierce, sometimes almost irresolvable, tension between locality and centralized power. Detestation of Berlin and Prussia was endemic among Bavarians, and heartily reciprocated in the Prussian counter-myth of Munich as a hicksville of beer-swilling cretins, mediocre painters and slaves to the crucifix. In fact, there were Nazis who despaired of Hitler’s obsession with the South - at one point Goebbels even proposed expelling “the petit-bourgeois Hitler” from the movement unless he shook off its pernicious influence. But what the Austrian ‘outsider’ may have instinctively grasped was the fruitfulness of that very tension. The wide disparities of Germany - a loose collection of smaller kingdoms until only one generation previously - could only be fused effectively together by a violently addictive ideology, through beliefs imbued with the force of traditional religion, plus the most modern media-techniques. And the materials for this forging process were most conspicuously present in Munich. The Wilhelmine Reich had been a hastily-assembled and ramshackle structure, still haunted by the shades of mediaevalism. Its defeat in 1918 and the subsequent crazy economic landslides of 1922–23 and 1929 fostered a special sort of disorientation, where these ghosts were at once reanimated, quite unreconciled to the new Republic, and yet had nowhere to retreat to. In Large’s account, Bavarian separatism haunted every moment of Munich politics - yet almost no one really wanted to risk a return to the Wittelsbach monarchy. But at the same time the Nazis dangled a heady escape-route before those caught in this dilemma: they suggested that Bayern could become the font of true ‘Germanness’, within which rural backwardness would be magically changed into universal mission - into a redemptive crusade to fuse province with Reich, then Germany with the world. The biological science of the period supposedly guaranteed the deal. And now the contract was enunciated by a voice unleashed from some outer - or was it inner? - exultant darkness, the clamorous shriek of Beelzebub himself. A wider historical and theoretical problem is also implicitly addressed by Large’s argument. In most accounts of the development of nationalism, the processes of Italian and German unification have figured in a highly favourable light. Liberal and left-leaning histories generally critical of ‘narrow nationalism’ have viewed the late nineteenth-century Italian and German states with approval - indisputably progressive victories over ‘feudalism’, the bringing together of non-viable petty statelets. Does not such ‘modernisation’ in some way prefigure present day demands, when again, nation-states ought to be effectively dissolving themselves and joining up into regional blocks such as the EU rather than stasis or breaking up (such as Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and the USSR have -and possibly they will be joined by the UK and Belgium)? But there was always an awkward downside to the bland vision of ‘progressive nationalism’ in these cases, and it is here that “Where Ghosts Walked” has most relevance. Regrettably, both these great and exemplary unification projects ended in Fascism. Indeed they invented the beast. Was this just bad luck? Anything but, however we must reinterpret the rise of Hitlerism more circumspectly and with more careful attention to its particular regional and national roots. After he got out of Munich, Thomas Mann denounced the degeneration of his city’s culture into “high-flown, wishy-washy cant, full of mystical euphoria with hyphenated prefixes like race- and folk- and fellowship-”, but he failed to underline sufficiently how the cant responded to the profound moral failure of the Wilhelmine state. Similarly, Italian Fascism - with equally strong regional roots, a comparable charismatic chieftain and quasi-military organization - demolished Risorgimento Liberalism and the Savoy monarchy by ‘marching on Rome’ (or, more exactly, by threatening to). In both situations, hastily created state-unions had dissolved a host of older countries - city and princely states, early-modern or even mediaeval kingdoms - in a way intended to be final, and which indeed still appeared so in the circumstances of the 1920s. In that imperialist or big-state world very few thought seriously of returning to the Dukedom of Tuscany, or the kingdom of Piedmont, to Hanover, Bremen city-state or Bavaria. And yet liberal-progressive unity, the grandly proclaimed wider identity, had clearly foundered. What way out was there but a drastic reformulation of that identity along hyper-reactionary illiberal-populist lines, emphasizing the things either denied or side-lined by the former unity regimes? But such emphasis demanded an oneiric or even inebriate style, since in conditions of crisis only the headiest concoction had a hope of transcending the gross regional/national contrasts still alive over both territories. It should also be remembered that high-flown mystical and esoteric euphoria about the Volk gained an added electrical charge from the conversion-process itself. This is what Hitler and Mussolini counted on, and it becomes much more visible on the smaller scale. A Lombard or a Sicilian, a Rhinelander or a Bavarian who bought into being ‘Italian’ or ‘German’ in their new fantasized sense would almost certainly do so to excess. Repression of one identity-format is best achieved by fanatical embrace of another - something that was quite familiar in Britain, in Welsh, Irish and Scottish conditions. In the post-World War I era the available formula for such non-democratic ‘rebirth’ was provided by the mythology of crude Social Darwinism and other ancillary notions - ideas then quite widely held, we should not forget, in the UK, France and America as well. In fact they were pretty influential in the British Labour Party, as typified in the early career of Harold Laski. A recent biography has demonstrated to what an astonishing extent the early life of both Laski and his wife Frida Kerry was dominated by the eugenics movement. However, another lesson in Large’s story is the sheer complexity of the conditions needed to generate disaster on that scale. In other circumstances the same ideas led to quite different consequences - or, as in Britain, just evaporated in the face of new challenges. Blaming such catastrophes on ‘nationalism’ alone is as much use as blaming a violent storm on the weather (as such). Tom Nairn” title=“W”>W, in particular, is one thinker who has developed a framework for comparatively examining some of these twentieth-century cataclysms, thus producing a tentative outline of their origins which depend, in fact, upon a wide range of necessary conditions. These, Nairn suggests, can be assembled, fortunately, only by exceptional means, and even then temporarily. A wide range of unusual and highly atypical precipitating factors, beyond nationalism per se, are needed for the disastrous societal ‘explosions’ which have brought about genocidal pandemonium, and closer-range studies like “Where Ghosts Walked” or Ben Kiernan’s The Pol Pot Regime make this a lot more obvious. If one comparatively examines some twentieth-century cataclysms, then a tentative list of the range of causal factors, according to Nairn’s conceptual scheme, might look something like this: Nationalism (ethno-linguistic/racial) Identity trauma (defeat, lateness, deformation/inorganic formation) Landslide crisis (socio-economic catastrophe) Missionary ideology (life-or-death conviction/imminent emergency) External threat (real/imagined) Rurality (peasantry or recent transition) One-party state (totalitarianism) Uniformed mobilization In a more distant or superficial perspective ‘nationalism’ - in the sense of ethnic or racial nationalism - has often been made the main, or even the sole, cause of such disasters. Argument then goes round in inescapable circles. If ethno-nationalist politics is always responsible for the horror, and (as most broad-brush analysts tend also to believe) is ‘inescapable’ and recurrent, then history settles down into the sad business of waiting for ‘the next time’, and doing one’s (probably futile) best to exorcise fate in advance by promoting multiculturalism etc. But ,actually, this is little more than headline-history, in the service of a rather shallow world-view. Nairn has suggested the most salient ideological feature of such crises is obviously some form of nationalist belief, which is presumably why it gets seized on as the guilty culprit. However, its critical impact has been inseparable from two accompanying conditions: a structural ‘identity’ cramp or developmental antagonism, and a recent or ongoing ‘landslide’ or societal shock instilling deep personal fears - a sense of the societal earth actually giving way. Large gives a vivid idea of how these functioned in 1920s Bavaria. Two other examples can be used here, we know what the equivalents were: for Cambodians, an historical dread of disappearance, followed closely by being carpet-bombed ‘into the Stone Age’; for the ex-Yugoslavs, the repressed inheritance of Greater-Serb identity, reanimated in circumstances of both rapid political (state) and economic collapse. Yet even these conditions might not have generated catastrophes without some or all of the other factors indicated in the framework outlined above as the ‘missionary’ or crusading mentality capable of turning national aspiration into a version of imperialism, and an associated ‘foreign foe’ used to foster such paranoia. Psychologically, the two things have usually been linked together by the fixed idea of ‘life or death’ - that is, the immediacy of the threat to communal existence (in which individuals feel a personal stake) that appears sustainable only by an external drive against those bent on the people’s subjugation, or worse their death. It is also seems significant that uniforms figure prominently in most situations of this kind: they are a way of both legitimating and advertising violently radical aims. Hence either military or para-military formations have canalized and taken over most ethnic violence, and the biggest offenders have been, not surprisingly, those of the state - with Indian ‘communalist’ violence as the most important exception. But ‘the state’ in most cases has meant ‘the Party’: all such cataclysms have also been struggles either to obtain one-party autocracy (Germany) or to reinforce and preserve it (Cambodia, Greater Serbia/Yugoslavia and Rwanda). The Party in turn can function only through an autocratic Leader. Finally, it should not be forgotten that this complex reconfiguration of ethno-nationalism has normally had a powerfully rural or small-town foundation. This has often tended to be overlooked, partly through misunderstanding of the all-powerful German example. It is easy for modern commentators to forget just how rural the Germany of Hitler and Heidegger was, above all the South Germany portrayed in Large’s book. He depicts what today cannot help seeming a largely different and lost Central European world. As he is careful to underline in the Epilogue, the wolf’s lair of Nazism was far removed indeed from today’s Munich, one of the greatest industrial conurbations in Europe. Back in the 1920s it was still the overgrown, easy-going ‘county-town’ of a largely peasant culture. Cambodia of the 1970s and Rwanda of the 1990s were virtually 100 per cent peasant nations. At the moment of Yugoslav collapse, both Bosnia and Serbia remained far less touched by a process of halting industrialization than many outside observers realized - is this not why they were able to produce a ‘village war’? This element may also help us towards a tentative general chronology of ethno-nationalist disaster. Such explosions seem to have been intimately linked to the moment of rural-urban transition - ‘moment’ here meaning not ‘instant’ but a developmental/historical phase, possibly multi-generational in duration and yet with a determinable beginning and end. In it wolves like Mussolini, Hitler, Milosevic, and Pol Pot were born. They were products less of the countryside and peasant culture than of the new lairs of forced passage, in which ancient attitudes and reflexes conducted a survival-battle against modernity, of necessity emotionally violent and rooted in an over-idealized past. These were also among the ‘ghosts’ of Large’s book, and sometimes they won, for a time. But if some of them are still around, or pending, at least we can see they are not inscribed in human nature or history or indeed in nationalism as a political phenomena. All their baleful presence implies is that the ‘moment’, in the complex sense outlined - modernization, urbanization and their up-dated descendant ‘globalization’ - is itself far from over. How then might this analysis be extended and wider issues related to it? Firstly, much of the same background conditions seem to be part of other disastrous social spasms – namely the revolutions in what became the USSR and China. Economically underdeveloped, largely quasi-agrarian societies (almost nothing of a genuine industrial proletariat existed in Russia at the time of the revolution – ditto China). So were these occulted nationalist phenomena? Unlikely. However, structurally within these events the intra-societal bourgeoisie (and ‘other enemies of the people’ like the wider inter-societal bourgeoisie), can replace the radical threat to the life and well-being of the ‘at risk’ community. The source and identity of the threat is malleable. At this point, though, differences seem to emerge – is not Communism a predominately forward-looking, ‘jam tomorrow’ style ideology whilst Fascism is essentially a backwards-looking ‘defensive’ ideology? This leads to the interesting debate about what Fascism is. Was Fascism a revolutionary or a counter-revolutionary phenomenon - were Fascist movements ideologically coherent or inchoate? This question has always been the central dividing-line in the serious literature about it, perhaps best illustrated by the differing approaches and perspectives in the, relatively recently published work of Michael Mann (Fascists) and Robert Paxton, (Anatomy of Fascism) - with the former in the counter-revolutionary camp and the latter in the revolutionary school. As I fear I have already tested the patience of any reader I will not go into details of the debate other than to suggest why cannot it be both? All ideologies have an ‘internal spectrum’. Hayek and Rawls are both liberal thinkers yet represent different branches of the liberal tradition. And the idea of Norwegian social democracy and the regime of North Korea both being ‘socialist hellholes’ is only for the hard of thinking that believe Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck to be political philosophers. What is it, structurally, about nearly all significant ideologies that allows them to have such flexibility of interpretation from a nexus of common assumptions such that they are, at best, semi-coherent? My own thoughts are that political ideologies have, at least, two related functions. Firstly they are tacit attempts to descriptively model underlying social realities and thus find the most salient ontological features of human societies. Secondly they are also prescriptive – given that, say the unencumbered self and the volitionality ‘free-floating’ individual, is the cardinal ontological commitment of liberal theory (what it thinks is really ‘real’), what then follows is an attempt at promoting what is thought to be a deep-truth of the human condition, such that our constructed social-reality best matches the underlying putative realities. But the models are very low in their resolution of all of the complexities of human affairs, thus how one transcribes them into prescriptive norms and values, policy ideas etc., is very much open to interpretation. Equally to have real socio-cultural traction all ideologies must be quite broad-brush phenomena such that a wide cross-section can broadly agree on where the somewhat fuzzy boundaries between their ideas and other rival ideas lie. If an ideology is hyper-prescriptive in its demarcation criterion it probably isn’t going to have very much of a future or to be perpetually marginal. My own view is that Fascism is a heterogeneous phenomenon. Its general outer form is hyper-reactionary ‘defensive’ conservatism and, as such, often picks up the detritus of history simply because it is antediluvian, ipso facto, it is worthy. Witness for example the obsession of many prominent Nazis with matters ‘esoteric’ and the occult - so much so that official units were established to investigate such nonsense (some things really are best left in the dustbin of history). But within such a framework of hyper-reaction there is a rational kernel (I use the word rational with caution) lurking within. It is this; if society is so rotten that an extreme reaction is indispensable to correct its trajectory, then it is not conceptually incoherent to extend the logic of such ideas to think a revolutionary societal ‘reboot’ (to vivifying effect) is necessitated by such circumstances. Thus, both impulses are contained in what might be termed ‘revolutionary reactionarism’. In fact utopian visions and dystopian fears often feed from each other in a dialectical dance of amplification and mutual reinforcement:
Are the Elysian fields in sight? Or their next door neighbour ‘the best of all possible worlds’ after one or two simple, or is that simple-minded, manoeuvres? Of course, at this juncture the issue of what ontological commitments about the true realities of human affairs revolutionary Fascism makes must be considered. Here we turn to Aristotelian issues of political mereology – what is the proper relationship between the parts and whole in the polis? And the parallel question of who or what is a proper, legitimate, part of the polis? The parts can be members of a family and the whole the family as such, or individuals and the state, or states and a federal authority etc. Fascism and communism both seek a form of ‘ontological fusion’ – that in one bound any space or differentiation between the parts and whole is effectively abolished, by fiat, in an act of both vaulting ambition and stunning folly. In Communism the proletariat embodies everyone, it is the whole and parts fused into a single homogeneous political subject (and don’t dare disagree, they have ways of dealing with counter-revolutionaries), and in Fascism the site of fusion becomes ‘the Volk’ or the nation. And are not such temptations also pregnant within radical Islam and the concept of Ummah Wahida in the Qur’an (the doctrine of “One Community” unified under Islamic law and piety)? Are we not in the territories mapped by Eric Voegelin in his schemata of ‘political theologies’? The apple of utopian impulses always contains the worm of totalitarian temptation. The outer form might be class conflict, the nation, the body of believers, or indeed just about anything. But that such temptations will permanently remain a possibility, so long as organised political communities exist, does not mean that the sometime seductive siren call should be answered in the affirmative. Catastrophe awaits those that heed the call and land upon the island of Anthemoessa mistaking it for Schlaraffenland, no matter how they may be dressed. Nationalism need not end in such disastrous voyages. Comments:2
Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:53 | #
I have seen this too often before to mistake it for anything else - this essay is the product of a Semitic mind. Behold, the Ashkenazi verbal turbine as it spins out joules of splenetic bile. This man, these people, cannot teach us of what is best in life for he/they know it not. There is only one dark night of the soul, and that is to know such hatred can exist in the world. And that one’s own heart must be reforged as iron in the furnace of that hatred lest all one loves be lost forever. 3
Posted by Hyman on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:29 | # CaptainChaos >> this essay is the product of a Semitic mind oh great seer of identity secrets, can I hire you to work for me at the commodities exchange in Tel Aviv? Maybe you can predict the movement of soybean prices. i’ll set you up with a gorgeous “white” Russian babe. We now have about a 150,000 who got here by pretending to be Jewish. Unlike the african refugees who sneak in from Sinai, the Russians didn’t go on welfare, so we didn’t kick them out. the Palestinians say that the Russians, once riled, are rather brutal. 4
Posted by Marlowe's Ghost on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:31 | # Where Nietzsche desired to say in ten sentences what everyone else took a book to outline, Dr Crippen wishes to say in a mini essay what others might sketch in a paragraph, and more interestingly. 5
Posted by Lee John Barnes on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:59 | # A tired, trite, crass and shallow analysis marked only be its pretentious prose and asinine metaphors. Fuck off and bore some other site with your tedious psycho-babble shite that could have been written by a 6th form UAF member you pretentious cunt. That is all. 6
Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:39 | # Hey Cap. Chaos I had no idea you provide online lectures on modern European history! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nToCOQQGUjM Holy Roman Empire you say? You and who’s army? 7
Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:04 | #
Old captain’s fingers are still steady at the trigger, and his vision is still quite good. What saddens me a bit though is captain’s infatuation with Der Führer who was played out like a child by the same Semitic mind. While Stalin was dealing wisely with Haller’s and Graham’s of his time, the schizo boy broke the trust the Great Master of Terror put on him and attacked Russia. The rest is history. Robert Reis, I didn’t realize that Hymie did such a good job on the Brits. But you are putting the blame at the wrong doors, brother: the willing cooperation of Brits with Hymie is to be blamed for sorry state of affairs, not Stalin or those who defended their country in Stalingrad from the bustards. Perhaps introducing Sharia law in UK would bring some discipline that this fucked up country needs badly after all. Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem 8
Posted by Hail on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:01 | # I’m puzzled by this reaction. Some here seem to have some kind of personal animosity against this writer, Graham Lister. Knowing nothing about GL or why people are sore about him (I don’t pay attention anymore when threads degenerate into the ad-hominems), I think this is a quality essay and I appreciate it being posted. 9
Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:11 | #
You seem to be a nice Jewish boy who dropped out from high school to follow the irresistible call of your ancestors and entirely submitted yourself to the temptation of making a quick and dirty buck. So I am going to help you Hymie. Rule #1: Always address your questions to experts on the subject of your questions. You see, Hymie, old captain is an expert in Nazism not in the art of risk management. I am. I have solved recently a 298 year old problem in this field known as the St. Petersburg paradox. Rule #2: Try not to insult those you are seeking help from. Be nice to them. Rule #3: Never trust Jews in any shape and form, including even physicists like Einstein and mathematicians like Black and Scholes of the Black-Scholes option pricing model. Trust Circassians - they will never betray you, and they will never lie to you. Trust me. Here is my prediction for the movement of soybean prices in the commodities exchange in Tel Aviv for the next week: They will fluctuate. Now, you better treat well those Russian “babes” there, Hymie. Otherwise I’ll force you to do what some of you force those lost souls do. Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem 10
Posted by Marlowe's Ghost on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:12 | # Ghosts of the Past is right. After a dose of Listerine and his over cooked and spiced haggis puddings, this place has become, how might we say…........ 11
Posted by Graham_Lister on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:51 | # @Marlowe’s Ghost Well quality versus quantity is one of those classic life-history trade-offs. If your idea of intelligent discussion is droning on about ‘controlled opposition’, the esoteric, the wonders of costume politics and J-lizard conspiracies then Mr. Richards new cyber-venture is, we are told, opening up very soon. Until then I’m sure you can get your ‘fix’ from the various echo-chambers of marginal personality types that exist in abundance all over the virtual world. Obviously as a fine analytical mind you would be welcomed on the David Icke forums I’m sure. Out of interest how is the idea of revolutionary fascism going down with Mr. & Mrs. Middle America - really it’s a gimmie to get them on board, yes? 12
Posted by Marlowe's Ghost on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:04 | # @Dr Crippen “If your idea of intelligent discussion is droning on about ‘controlled opposition’, the esoteric, the wonders of costume politics and J-lizard conspiracies” No. It isn’t. But your idea of intelligent discussion always includes two ingredients: - Imputing to your critics distorted views that they do not hold “Obviously as a fine analytical mind you would be welcomed on the David Icke forums I’m sure. Out of interest how is the idea of revolutionary fascism going down with Mr. & Mrs. Middle America - really it’s a gimmie to get them on board, yes?” Well Dr Crippen, your fine analytical mind obviously did not pick up on the very European / British references in my posts which a second’s thought would have clued you in to the fact that Middle America - another one of your targets for disdain - is not my location. Nor as it happens is revolutionary Fascism my motivator. What your fine analytical mind does seem to have achieved is to stir, barely a glimmer of interest from the many thousands of people who have walked through MR’s door since this thread was created. What can we deduce, Dr Watson? 13
Posted by Dan Dare on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:36 | # Here’s your starter then for ten: “In which European country, or countries, is haggis considered to be a pudding?” 14
Posted by Grahan_Lister on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:55 | # @Dan You’re the German historian at MR - can I ask what you thought of the OP if you feel inclined? Points of agreement and disagreement etc., - please be gentle! On haggis: The first known written recipe for a dish of the name (as ‘hagese’), made with offal and herbs, is in the verse cookbook Liber Cure Cocorum dating from around 1430 in Lancashire, North West England. An early printed recipe for haggis appears in 1615 in “The English Huswife” by Gervase Markham. It contains a section entitled “Skill in Oate meale”. The use and vertues of these two severall kinds of Oate-meales in maintaining the Family, they are so many (according to the many customes of many Nations) that it is almost impossible to recken all;” and then proceeds to give a description of “oat-meale mixed with blood, and the Liver of either Sheepe, Calfe or Swine, maketh that pudding which is called the Haggas or Haggus, of whose goodnesse it is in vaine to boast, because there is hardly to be found a man that doth not affect them — Gervase Markham, The English Huswife There is no precise date for the first preparation of haggis but the earliest recorded consumption of the comparable French dish Andouillette, made with tripe, can be traced back to an actual date in the ninth century – it was served at the coronation of King Louis II in Troyes on 7 September 878. Food writer Alan Davidson goes back further, stating that the Ancient Romans were the first people known to have made products of the haggis type. Even earlier, a kind of primitive haggis is referred to in Homer’s Odyssey, in book 20, (towards the end of the eighth century BC) when Odysseus is compared to “a man before a great blazing fire turning swiftly this way and that a stomach full of fat and blood, very eager to have it roasted quickly”. Haggis was “born of necessity, as a way to utilize the least expensive cuts of meat and the innards as well”. Since the internal organs rapidly perish, it is likely that haggis-like preparations have been around since pre-history. Clarissa Dickson Wright claims that it “came to Scotland in a longship [i.e. from Scandinavia] even before Scotland was a single nation”. What is the next question from Bamber Gascoigne? 15
Posted by Dan Dare on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:35 | # I did look through it, Graham and found nothing to remark on as far as the German aspect is concerned. Munich was, and surreptiously still is, Hauptstadt der Bewegung and generates a sizeable proportion of its very considerable tourist trade on that account. Compared to Berlin, many of the contemporary artifacts remain in situ even if, like the SS Ehrentempel, partial victims of early post-war evangelism on the of part the (American) occupying force. Even the Führerbau lives on in the guise of a music college; with appropriate contacts, it is even possible to make a quiet weekend pilgrimage to the Führerwohnung, now part of a police precinct headquarters. For those who know what to look for and where to look, ghosts abound, for example:
The moped, by the way, is almost certainly under Turkish ownership and control. 16
Posted by Marlowe's Ghost on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:12 | # “In which European country, or countries, is haggis considered to be a pudding?” Herr Dare - the same one and only where it is considered suitable as a human foodstuff; or are you unfamiliar with savoury puddings? 17
Posted by Dan Dare on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:19 | # Savoury puddings have never been known to darken any sweet trolley in my presence (that’s what the cheese is for) but, that aside, I’d like to place on record that haggis has always gone down v. well with Johnny Foreigner in my experience, but never in the guise of pudding, and only when pains are taken to obscure the detail of its manufacture. I believe it was Bismarck who said “there are three things whose production must never be opened to the public gaze: policies, sausage and haggis.” 18
Posted by Marlowe's Ghost on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 22:51 | # Having tried haggis very occasionally at ten year intervals I have to confess to finding that hard to believe. Maybe Johnny wanted to be gracious to his host or best case, it was considered a quaint ersatz meatloaf. 19
Posted by Hyman on Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:53 | # @Circassian, I sincerely invite you to visit your Circassian cousins who are loyal Israeli citizens; and ==highly== esteemed for their martial spirit in cracking Palestinian skulls as needed, during service in the IDF. Really a lot of them do gravitate towards the carabinieri corps, known here as the Border Police. Which technically are policemen, not soldiers; but there’s only on Lishkat Giyus (‘draft board”/“recruit reception depot”) bureacracy; if you want to be Magav, you write that down in your initial paperwork; if you pass the medical screen, you then get on the bus which will carry you to Magav’s boot camp. You will be sworn into the Israel Police, not the IDF proper. No need to trust my untrustworthy hebrew words; read testimonies from your own cousins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYBHXALTRec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEHrbqftmA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF540zAbiko
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Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 03 Mar 2012 14:06 | #
An extremely unfair comment. Methinks LJB really had no idea what Lister was talking about. (In fairness, Dr. Lister could make more of an effort to write clearly, at least in more philosophical pieces; also, unfamiliar references need to be explained.) 21
Posted by Bill on Sat, 03 Mar 2012 14:23 | # The relatively recent emergence of governance of conjoined right economic liberalism and left social liberalism shows clearly, that when entering the real world, none of it works, it’s a disaster! This arrangement was gestated by the academics and policy wonk think tanks of the late 20th century as a counter to the post World War II consensus. Later, with the USSR gone, this end of history moment called for a new living arrangement for mankind. The ruling liberal elites hate uncertainty, especially when the herd get restless, unemployment no money coupled with mass immigration, tends to cause resentment on a grand scale. The elite’s, shock horror, sense a threat to their cosy existence. Something must be done. In order to reach the sunlit uplands the answer it seems is that future human behaviour is to be micro managed at every level. Equality of outcome overshadows equality of opportunity, and when this and all the rest of it doesn’t work, what next? Distant drums perhaps? In the opening decade of the 21st century the much maligned British people have been on the receiving end of this new regime which was not so ably introduced by one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair. Blair (and his successor Gordon Bown) and the New Labour project has gone, to be replaced by Cameron and Nick Clegg in tandem. Left/right liberalism, aka Cultural Marxism, is still seamlessly strapped in the driving seat. The net result of Blair’s/Brown’s left liberal policies has left Britain a bankrupt nation, leaving the new Cameron/Clegg combo the task of clearing up the financial Fukushima. Of course it was never meant to be like this, the new governing liberal world view arrangement of a left right in lockstep was the dream. The capitalist right would provide the engine to power the left’s utopian social ambitions. Trouble is, the right has pocketed all the loot and is now, along with the IMF, is shafting the good citizens of Britain with eye watering austerity. They don’t like it up’em! The internal contradictions of this lib/lab/con trick have come home to roost. What’s next I wonder? Perhaps there is something above and beyond all of this, what could it be? 22
Posted by integrating mereology w ideology, overcompensation on Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:21 | # Problem when the necessity of integrating mereology requires transcendent ideology which can loosen the reins of overcompensation..
I can see where Dr. Lister mentions the topic of mereology late in the essay… and why GW was hoping that he’d develop that idea.. It’s evident in the background of the essay as well - i.e., that mismanagement of mereology (parts/wholes) is what is diagnosed as a problem for nationalisms when they go over the top into imperialism - nationalism can sometimes struggle to integrate its smaller parts with the nation…an ideological overcompensation can be almost necessary to integrate the smaller, resistant parts, e.g., of smaller German parts with its larger vision, in the early 30s. The effort to overcome resistance of the smaller parts, particularly as it can require a transcendent visionary ideal to unify the parts, can also cause its nationalist grounds to become unhinged into an overcompensating, vicious imperialism. Post a comment:
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Posted by Hail on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:03 | #
Interesting and well-written essay. I hope MR publishes more from this particular writer.
After reading the essay, though, it is unclear, to me, to what degree the author is sympathetic with the nationalisms of the European Interwar period. He seems to concede the premise that 1920s-1945 European nationalisms committed more crimes than other ideologies of the period, and repeatedly compares them to Pol Pot and the Rwandan Hutus.
Was it not the buffoonish character Mussolini who, when asked by a newspaperman “What is your party program?”, answered “Our program is to smash the skulls of the Socialists”? No, Fascism was never a coherent ideology. (The nuanced discussion of the nature of ‘fascism’ at the end of the essay is sensible).
The movements we call ‘fascist’ today are more properly, IMO, called “Voelkisch”, meaning that they were animated by the desire for ethnocultural-continuity as the highest virtue (as the Socialists’ highest virtue is equality and the Capitalist-Liberals’ is freedom).