Posted by Dan Dare on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:28 | #

From an email received today, evidently penned by Nick Griffin:

... “I spoke out about the unaddressed evil of Muslim grooming gangs preying on young girls from other communities back in 2004. The police reaction was to turn a blind eye to those sickening crimes. Instead they arrested me and twice put me on trial under a perverse law that says that telling the truth is no defence. The media reaction was to censor the election broadcast the British National Party made to draw attention to the plight of thousands of vulnerable victims and their families.

“If the police and courts had done their duty and taken effective action years ago, the towns of northern England would not now be a powder keg of communal tensions. If the police act now against the paedophile groomers, the anti-English ethnic cleansers and the narco-jihad heroin pushers, then they can still defuse the time-bomb ticking away in Heywood and in dozens of other towns.

“The recent arrests and the current trials of grooming suspects show that the police are able to act, but they are still pussyfooting around. 47 Muslim paedophile suspects facing trial is a start, but everyone knows that this is only the tip of the iceberg. If the police are serious about heading off trouble, they need to arrest hundreds of these criminals and to close down the shops and taxi firms that they use as the bases for their crimes against our community.

“If, instead of enforcing the law and protecting the hitherto patient majority, the police turn on the protesters and the media demonise them, then the righteous anger over grooming, anti-English violence and the heroin jihad will explode on a far bigger scale. The authorities must understand that the protests in Heywood last night may be the last warning they get, the last chance to put justice before political correctness, and the last opportunity to convince working class communities that they don’t have to take the law into their own hands…

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:55 | #

What was it Morrissey is reported to have said?  - “I don’t hate Pakistanis, but I dislike them immensely”. That was apparently his blunt observation in 1977. Is there really anything that has changed since to suggest he was being unfair?

But Mr. Heffer is OK with Northern English towns having the ambience of the Punjab - so that’s all fine and dandy then. After they do tend to set up small businesses to ‘serve’ the host community. But funnily enough in their absence I think English people probably could still have taxi companies etc., just my non-Hefferian hunch, obviously.

The Tories tough on immigration since the 12th of never. They, instrumentally, aren’t really very much better on this issue than the other lot.

Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:11 | #

What about calls for boycotts of Muslim establishments? Hard to avoid taxis, if you need em, but stay out of their restaurants, takeaways, etc. Can this be “memed” out and work?

Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:30 | #

OK, now I really have to exit for a bit. Good luck. See y’all soon. LH

Posted by "He's a Dirty Bull !!!" on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:29 | #

Of course, it also needs to mentioned that without the general family breakdown that has occurred amongst the English - and the general derogation of men and fatherhood, not least due to the rampant and politically powerful ‘feminist’ movement (they’ve got a lock-hold on the Labour Party), then these outrages would never have occurred.
Put bluntly, English men have no control over their women anymore (basically, the women boss the men about), so into the vacuum slips ‘in like Flynn’ Ahmed and his mates with gifts of vodka, charlie, blow and allied drugs plus rides in the mercedes.
I’ve always maintained that the ‘women’s movement’ (which historically has marched lock-step a pace behind the nigger movement), is ultimately at least as dangerous to civilisation.
At the end of time the darkies will turn on white women (who enabled them in an anti-white man catty, sneaky alliance) and, literally, devour them.
By that time white men will have vanished from the face of the earth - just like they’ve done from modern London.

Posted by Kievsky on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 16:49 | #

Leon,

What’s stopping White brits from owning taxis?  And maybe making a cab company that uses code to denote “driven by a White briton.”  Like the National Front Taxi company?  You guys need to take back your niches.

Posted by Jonnell on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 17:17 | #

Any idiot could have seen this coming a mile off. And the longer this utter evil from the asian community is ‘tolerated’ and swept under the carpet, the bigger the eventual explosion. How dare the authorities presume to expect otherwise! If this had all been dealt properly and severely years ago according to the law and in protection of the young girls involved (whom the law and society are SUPPOSED to be protecting rather than covering up for the repulsive activities perverted alien paedophile thugs) there would be no reaction of this kind now. And since it has long been in the public domain that this problem extends far beyond Heywood and has done so for many years, the authorities should not be surprised if this kind of disturbance spreads quickly to other parts of the country where asian grooming of this kind has been rife. If so-called leaders of society and the forces of law and order don’t do the correct and decent thing and stand up for those under their jurisdiction whose rights and whose lives need protecting, then someone else has to do it.

Posted by Circassian on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:22 | #

Leon,
What’s stopping White brits from owning taxis?

FYI: Leon is an American. How shall he know? Indeed, Leon, why don’t you move to London and own a taxi. You could contribute something useful to the society after all.

And maybe making a cab company that uses code to denote “driven by a White briton.”

You mean like some secret code to avoid accusations of racism? Excellent idea, Kievsky, you might want to take a patent on it.

You guys need to take back your niches.

Here is another bright idea: What’s stopping Jewish brits from owning garbage tracks? I think it is unfair to the Jews of GB to leave this lucrative niche to the blacks.

Posted by Circassian on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:57 | #

Communication between Siri and Leon after Kievsky’s plan of saving the white brits from extinction has been successfully implemented.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sat, 25 Feb 2012 23:25 | #

Hey, wheres my comment gone please?. I have been following this site for months, and read and learned a lot. I thanked you all in the comment and I really wanted it to stay and be seen by your regular posters. That was the first comment I have ever posted online.

Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:27 | #

That might have been me.  I just cleared a load of spam out of the system, and might have swept your comment with it.  If so, my apologies.  Certainly not intentional.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 00:31 | #

Hi Guessed, no probs. Thanks for replying. Will be back soon to join a debate.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:00 | #

Graham_Lister- Net immigration into the UK has actually increased under the conservsatives ( pushing a quarter of a million in 2011, a new record if I remember rightly ). They lie.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Leon Haller- It would be impossible to set up a ‘whites only’ anything in England including a white British driver only taxi firm. Also very difficult to organise any meaningful business boycott without a far reaching underground communication network between the the potential boycotters. Maybe that will naturally happen here now anyway with months of publicity regarding these cases ahead. If mass asian grooming of young white English girls doesn’t stir up that level of anger, i’m not sure what else will.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kievsky- White Britons do still work in all sectors of the UK economy including driving taxis. Where I live you are far more likely to end up with a Polish taxi driver than a Pakistani. They usually haven’t got a fucking clue where they’re going, but at least they’ll get you there eventually and are less likely to stab you in the face, burn you to death, or try and groom your underage daughter.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 02:04 | #

Don’t expect me to apologise for the bad editing. I haven’t got a bloody clue what i’m doing.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 03:23 | #

Where I live you are far more likely to end up with a Polish taxi driver than a Pakistani. They usually haven’t got a fucking clue where they’re going, but at least they’ll get you there eventually and are less likely to stab you in the face, burn you to death, or try and groom your underage daughter.

As a mathematician I unconsciously and automatically see statements from quantitative perspective - it’s a professional habit. The above statement is a good example of a technically correct statement which, nevertheless, suggests to the unsuspecting mind an absolutely wrong idea. Indeed, let’s analyze it. What is the probability of Polish taxi driver stabbing a taxi rider in his face, or burning him to death? Answer: zero. What is the probability of Pakistani taxi driver stabbing the taxi rider in his face, or burning him to death? Answer: zero. But, in complete accord with math, one can say: zero is n times less than zero, i.e. 0/n = 0 is absolutely correct and legitimate mathematical statement.

Here is another example of the same (comment #28)

<blockquote>Forgive the question if it’s too personal, but are you Italian? (Randy Garver)

Less than half (uh).

If so, then those children are not “your people” either. (Randy Garver)

Sure. I don’t even resemble most Italians. (uh)</blockquote>

Schlomo uh is 0% Italian, but 1/2 > 0 , so, mathematically speaking he is absolutely correct. In other words, slick schlomo can leave an impression that he is not a complete schlomo without technically lying about it.

In his second reply, he does it again: Logical statement I don’t even resemble most Italians does not contradict another logical statement I don’t resemble any Italian at all.

Well, schlomo uh, you don’t resemble Italians because you are a fucking Jew, if you pardon my French.

Posted by Captainchaos on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 04:28 | #

Two hundred young people congregated in Heywood, Rochdale on Thursday evening. A car and three police vehicles were damaged and an officer suffered bruising to his arms and legs during the disturbances.

Doesn’t mean shit until they get themselves some snazzy uniforms and learn how to march.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 05:29 | #

We know that this was a complete lie, don’t we.

We know that this was a lie as well. Where is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed now? What happened to him? How many times was he water boarded and why?

We know that this was a complete lie too. But it was very convincing and well orchestrated, wasn’t it.

What about this one? Could it be a well orchestrated lie as well?

Just asking questions, folks, just asking questions. We are intelligent people, and intelligent people are supposed to ask question, right?

Posted by Bill on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:47 | #

Are these ‘free pass’ meetings the seeds?

How else can they be explained away?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhwWvv_DwOM

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:18 | #

Are these ‘free pass’ meetings the seeds?

Very good question, Bill.

Islam - fascist ideology!? What the fuck he is talking about. EDL? Sounds like ADL. This Tommy Robinson guy looks like provocateur and sounds like pedophile himself. Is he a British version of Alex Linder and Hal Turner who turned out to be an FBI agent?

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:21 | #

So Islam is ‘religion of peace’, the statistical over-representation of particular ethnic groups in certain forms of criminal activity of in the UK is a myth, and the probability of a taxi driver behaving badly or criminally is zero. It is impossible according to Ivan – note his claim is not that the chances are very low, not that they asymptotically approach zero – no it’s zero according to the genius that is Ivan. Tell that to the victims of Derrick Bird or the victim of Zulfikar Nawaz or the victims of John Worboys.

Zero probability you say?

Ivan do you have anything remotely sensible to say?

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:41 | #

Thanks for professionally analysing my (crap) joke comment Circassian. I stand corrected. Hello to you all. I wanted the chance to thank you for this site and the treasure trove of knowledge it contains. I have lurked here for a while now and have been blown away by your debates and the things I have learned. I’m sure there are more like me out there and I just wanted to show my respect and gratitude. Please keep going. I can assure you you’re not just pissing into the wind. Greetings from sunny south Devon.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:13 | #

Ivan do you have anything remotely sensible to say?

Yes, Graham_Lister, I have a couple of immensely sensible things to say: (1) Islam is a religion, not an ideology, much less fascist ideology; Hitlerism is. And (2) Graham_Lister is a bullshit artist.

Tell that to the victims of Derrick Bird or the victim of Zulfikar Nawaz or the victims of John Worboys.

I have tried to do just that, but I could find neither the said victims nor the perpetrators: There is no Derrick Bird in the link to Derrick Bird, there is no Zulfikar Nawaz in the link to Zulfikar Nawaz, and the link to John Worboys is blank point empty.

If the probability of Polish or Pakistani taxi driver stabbing a taxi rider in his face, or burning him to death is not zero, you should be able to point us to at least one such event in UK. Where is it? If you can find one single such case, I would be happy to update my probability estimates.

And don’t talk to me about the probability of a taxi driver behaving badly or criminally somewhere, I am talking about a very specific event: the probability of Polish or Pakistani taxi driver in UK stabbing a taxi rider in his face, or burning him to death.

Posted by Foundation on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:45 | #

Circassian @ #22 said:

‘Islam is a religion, not an ideology, much less a fascist ideology ..’

http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/2863/muslim-parliament-switzerland

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:03 | #

@Ivan

Yes I thought you might try the old “but I said that the probability of being stabbed in the face is zero etc.” trick.

One the previous poster was using it as a figure of speech -  any competent speaker and reader of English would recognise this fact – he was referring to the general possibility of being a victim of a personal attack involving our hypothetical taxi driver.

Secondly, even by your narrow definition you still say it has zero probability of occurring? Why is that? Is it an ontological impossibility – like you have anything of note to say?  Are taxi drivers people with no individual agency then? Your pretty bloody dim for a ‘smart guy’...no sniggering at the back please!

Fine there is a very low probability of your precise event occurring, but one could say the same about observing black swans. But it is not zero - if by that you mean ‘impossible’.

And Islam is, by and large, a pile of steaming effluvia – no-one with even half a brain is interested in your version of Voodoo OK? Just compare the real contributions of Islamic civilisation, to the sum of knowledge in the world, with the Western ones - I think Islamic civilisation does very badly in that contest, yes?

Funnily enough I don’t want to live under the Ummah Wahida, thanks all the same dear boy.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:13 | #

I have no idea why the links to those cases are not working.

But try these:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11625744

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15697493

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10216923

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:41 | #

I am quite surprised that this thread isn’t much longer to be honest. I take the news from Rochdale along with recent pronouncements like the one from Eric Pickles to be an indication that you are winning the debate, and gaining ground fast. That’s largely why I have been motivated to post my first ever comments online here, now. I would like to think that you would all take some encouragement from recent events. White ethnic Brits/English/whatever never were going to meekly accept being ethnically cleansed from their own homeland, never, ever. With resources like this site available, victory in the battle ahead is assured. (Fuck Scotland though).

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:14 | #

Foundation,

I can’t read minds in a distance. So you have left me guessing that your post is meant to be an argument, or a proof, that Islam is a political ideology of fascism. If so then, with the same degree of validity, you can take my words as an argument, or as a proof, that the said “Parallel Parliament” in Switzerland has already been established and Ivan is the speaker of that “Umma Schweiz”. Btw, who is Soeren Kern, the author of the crap you have pointed us to? Is he a twin brother of Søren Road Runner.

So Islam is ‘religion of peace’

Islam is not a meek religion that holds up its left cheek when hit in the right cheek. Neither is Islam an aggressive political ideology like Hitler’s fascism, for example.

Fine there is a very low probability of your precise event occurring, but one could say the same about observing black swans. But it is not zero - if by that you mean ‘impossible’.

By that I mean that probability is conditional on the information available to the agent making probability estimate. One could say that probability of observing black swans was zero until the black swans were observed in Australia. Not anymore.

Graham_Lister, you are not remotely as smart as you think you are. And admitting the fact would, to a certain extent, exonerate you.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:30 | #

“probability is conditional on the information available”

No the probability of events depends on the mechanisms and processes of the real world. I might think there is ‘zero probability’ of leaves falling from the trees next autumn; that hardly makes it so now does it? Your estimates are exactly that estimates. You mistake an estimation for reality - they are not the same thing. If the information is wrong or incomplete your predictions are worth the square root of fuck all.

I presume you don’t know about type 1 and type 2 statistical errors? Or the base-rate fallacy?

But then you do follow a Voodoo like ideology so your grasp of reality might not be all that great.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:39 | #

No the probability of events depends on the mechanisms and processes of the real world. I might think there is ‘zero probability’ of leaves falling from the trees next autumn; that hardly makes it so now does it? Your estimates are exactly that estimates. You mistake an estimation for reality - they are not the same thing. If the information is wrong or incomplete your predictions are worth the square root of fuck all.

My dear Graham_Lister, you have no fucking idea how much crap you have dashed out in the above quote. I am light years ahead of your understanding of the nature of probability: you are stuck in the classical theory of probability - the concept of probability they teach students today at Harvards and Oxfords which is known otherwise as ‘objective’ or ‘frequentist’ notion of probability.

There is no ‘physical’ or ‘objective’ or ‘real’ probability, idiot. Probability is a function of the information and knowledge available to the agent making the probability estimate. Always. Remember that, but head. Probability detached from the agent making the probability estimate is nonsense, it has no meaning whatsoever, it is the ultimate Voodoo of modern science.

Probability Theory is The Logic Of Science exemplified by such brilliant physicists and mathematicians of the past like Reverend Thomas Bayes, Pierre Simon Laplace, James Clerk Maxwell, Erwin Schrödinger, Sir Harold Jeffreys, Richard T Cox, and many others.

Let me repeat it again: You are not remotely as smart as you think you are, but head. And admitting the fact would, to a certain extent, exonerate you. Do the right thing.

When Ivan speaks you all have to pay attention. Close attention.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:01 | #

Probabilty Islam will dominate the world-0. Probabilty that England will ever be ruled by Sharia Law-0.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:46 | #

You are a pretty good natural probabilist, uKn_Leo, and you strike me as more decent and honest man than Graham_Lister could ever be. I would say that my probability estimates are pretty close to yours on both counts.

It is impossible for Islam to get the dominion over the world, or to set the Law of Sharia in England, when it does not have, or even contemplate, such obviously ridiculous and unattainable objectives.

Posted by Foundation on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:53 | #

Circassian @ #30 said:

‘When Ivan speaks you all have to pay attention. Close attention.’

A mooselimb with meglomania, how probable is that? Shall we say 1.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:13 | #

A mooselimb with meglomania, how probable is that? Shall we say 1.

You shall say whatever you wish. But Ivan is a humble and just man, and, honestly, with J Richards gone, I do not see anyone around here who could even remotely match his skills in logical analysis, not to mention the breadth and depth of his knowledge. When I see one, I shall definitely adjust my probability estimates.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:14 | #

I am pleased that my calculations concur with those of an expert Circassian. Thank you. A mathematician or academic I am not. An honest and decent man however, I am. Muslim domination of Europe is, I believe, a reasonable long term objective and far from unnattainable or ridiculous. I will never follow Islam, and life for a non Muslim in a Muslim dominated land doesn’t sound too appealing for someone like me. I mean no offence to you Circassian. I’m sure you realise why this is a hot topic at the moment.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:26 | #

I mean no offence to you Circassian. I’m sure you realize why this is a hot topic at the moment.

None is taken, brother. I can always find a common language with any opponent, adversary, or even open enemy, as long as he or she is an honest, decent being with sense of dignity.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:53 | #

Muslim domination of Europe is, I believe, a reasonable long term objective and far from unattainable or ridiculous.

If so, then you probably shall adjust the probability estimates you gave earlier. But that is just me being too pedantic.

If Islam ever gets any significant foothold in Europe, which I highly doubt, it will be done by unobtrusive demonstration of its values, not by way of deception or waging wars. But I repeat: Chances of that happening are almost nonexistent. I would even hate to see that happen.

I will never follow Islam, and life for a non Muslim in a Muslim dominated land doesn’t sound too appealing for someone like me.

Neither should you.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:04 | #

Yes Ivan the idea of Sharia law in England is ‘ridiculous’...

The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK “seems unavoidable”.

And if the hyperlink doesn’t work go here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7232661.stm

Ivan perhaps your depth of knowledge and analytical brilliance might be better deployed elsewhere? It would be a terrible blow to MR but you know life would go on. Mr. Richards, no doubt, awaits with great excitement your wisdom.

Leo/Leon - are you really that bored?

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:19 | #

Can I ask you then C, what your thoughts are on the subject of this thread. What does the current trial of these alleged sex attackers mean for Muslim-non Muslim relations in this country? (UK). What will the Muslim response be to gangs of non Muslims running around seeking vengeance for the alleged crimes?. If these crimes are proven does it tell us anything about the way white western females are seen by Muslim males?

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:28 | #

Oh sorry Graham, yes I am a bit bored to be honest. Stuck indoors with a wierd killer headache and toothache combo. However I would be interested in talking to Circassian. Not many muslims in my part of the world and I am curious for his take on the disgusting back story behind this thread. You’ll have to tell me if this is not the done thing around here and I will bow to your seniority.

Posted by Dave on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:39 | #

r Hankinson, in charge of neighbourhood policing in Rochdale, told a press conference at Rochdale police station: “Those that seek to use what’s going on at the moment in Liverpool to further their racist agenda will be dealt with robustly.

Of course this is all that matters to these cretins of ’ law and order’.  To see that racism above everything else is dealt with most robustly. I only pray the day will come when we see some of our highest ranking guardians, be they members of the Met police,  government,  MI5, Or merely those useful idiots working as ‘reporters’ for the MSM get theirs courtesy of the enrichers they so so like to laud every chance they get. Indescribable filth!  And I’m talking about our so called protectors here rather than the Islamist groomers. Though they are that too. But due to the inactions of the former, these enrichers have more or less been been given permission to act as they do in our country.

As for you Mr. Hankinson,  I hope you’re looking in too because I would like to tell you (as I would like to tell you to your face also should I ever get the chance) that to me to you sound just like the typically weasel faced little rat that is so infesting all our institutions these days.
  .

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:59 | #

I don’t believe that muslim population in UK is any higher compared to that of the Russian Federation. There are no aspects of Sharia law introduced in the Russian court system to accommodate muslims, why should they be introduced in the UK? That’s a complete nonsense. And anybody who is pushing such an idea is a traitor or, which is infinitely more likely, a fucking Jew or someone who is working for the Jew.

Ivan perhaps your depth of knowledge and analytical brilliance might be better deployed elsewhere?

No, no, no Graham_Lister you are mistaken about that. My wisdom is most needed right here at MR, right now. This tenacious monkey Ivan is not about to give up as easily as J Richards did.

It would be a terrible blow to MR but you know life would go on.

The irony of your irony is that there is no irony in it. It is all true: My departure would be a terrible blow to MR and, yes, life would go on.

Let me give you another bit of Ivan’s wisdom Graham_Lister: When one is both honest and just, telling the truth is all he needs to do in order to reach the audience, no matter how immodest he may sound. The corollary to that is: If you are a liar and unjust, you cannot reach the hearts and minds of ordinary and decent man, no matter how you present yourself.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:15 | #

Good ranting Dave. I am with you there, and I mean that most sincerely.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:24 | #

Oh no please you misunderstand me – carry on the dialogue with Ivan about the ‘grooming’ of British children by Muslim gangs. I just think his ‘understanding’ of the philosophical issues surrounding Bayesian probability are somewhat off-topic.

I sometimes interact with Muslims in real life and as such I don’t find ersatz internet versions all that interesting. But as I say, do by all means, carry on.

Ivan brilliant reasoning again – Russia and the UK are somewhat different political animals – but why let mere facts get in the way of your ‘logic’?

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:36 | #

Dave @ 4.39   They can threaten all they want. It will kick off. When it does they won’t hold back the wave. I don’t believe half the police force think what is going on is just. They have to go along with it for the sake of their careers. I suspect if gangs of white English christian men were roaming around Saudi Arabia, drugging and raping Muslim children, the general population of Saudi Arabia would be a tad pissed off about the situation too. My heart goes out to the victims of this most of all. There will have been far more victims because of the way the authorities and media have tried to sweep it under the carpet. More awareness of the problem would have hopefully lead some of these kids to being far more cautious.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:39 | #

I’m not really sure you’re so sincere Circassian . You haven’t touched the topic of this thread. I think you might be trolling. Probability you’re trolling-7.3.

Posted by Langford on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:52 | #

Can television succeed where the politicians have failed? The producers of a new Channel 4 series, Make Bradford British, which starts this week, set themselves the ambitious challenge of doing just that, bringing together the people of the notoriously divided Yorkshire city.

The eight participants in Make Bradford British spent four days living in a shared house, then split into pairs and spent time with each others’ families. “I have lived in Bradford for more than 30 years and I have never been invited by an Asian to have Sunday lunch or a cup of tea,” said Audrey, 48, who runs a pub in the city centre.

That kind of segregation has potentially dangerous consequences, as ignorance breeds resentments. In the series, Mohammed, a 45-year-old taxi driver, describes his vision of Britishness as “getting bladdered on a Saturday night”, while Audrey said that Bradford was a “ticking bomb. I’m a publican, I speak to the public every day and there is an undercurrent. People say things in private or in a bar but they wouldn’t say it publicly because they might be labelled racist.”

Posted by daniel2 on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:58 | #

What is the probability of Ivan expressing concern for these ‘groomed’ White girls? Zero. And he tries to present himself as teaching us something new with subjective interaction in hypothesized probability.

I would not mind a Muslim voice here for the purpose of making it clear that we, as White Nationalists, do not want war with Iran and any Islamic country. And we are against Jewish and corporate interests inasmuch. But Muslims should also be sympathetic with us wanting them to go back to their homelands and should be working toward that end. Ivan, I hate to say it, but I would not miss you here. You are too arrogant, too abusive, not concerned enough for native European interests to be anything more than a nuisance here.

“Millions will die we will win.” How else would one propose to stem the exponential population growth of Sub-Saharan Negroes, their breeding throngs, violence and destruction brought to bear against everything precious to us, but to stop obsequious aid to them and let them kill each other, starve or just stop having babies like the pigs that they are, for a change?

But you know what, Ivan? I’ll tell you the truth. It isn’t as if I am asking you these questions really concerned to hear from you. On the contrary. I really don’t respect your opinion. It is clear. You should go to a site more focused on Muslim interests. I could see a Muslim commenter here if they were more decent and more empathetic to European interests - but that is not going to happen with you. Rather we are going to get some swarthy empire era wannabe in a suit, trying to kiss-up, doing some snob thing, effecting some snooty Victorian mathematics.

Posted by Circassian on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:59 | #

Can I ask you then C, what your thoughts are on the subject of this thread. What does the current trial of these alleged sex attackers mean for Muslim-non Muslim relations in this country? (UK)

Trials are good, falling into the trap set up by those who hell bent to put muslims and non-muslims at each other throats is a bad news for both muslims and non-muslims.

What will the Muslim response be to gangs of non Muslims running around seeking vengeance for the alleged crimes?

I don’t know what Pakistani muslims are like in UK. They are probably not my kind of muslims. But if gangs of non Muslims, or Muslims for that matter,  attacked me personally for something I haven’t done, or my family, or my community cutting their fucking throats would be the proper response.

If these crimes are proven does it tell us anything about the way white western females are seen by Muslim males?

If these crimes are proven, that doesn’t tell anything good about neither the perpetrators nor the victims. These lowlife individuals probably treat them like whores which they probably are. That’s why you need some kind of discipline in your society: women should know how to behave themselves.

Now, if you excuse me, gentlemen, I have few other things to attend. It was my pleasure to converse with each of you.

Posted by daniel2 on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:01 | #

affecting some snooty, Victorian era mathematics.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:13 | #

Circassian @ 5.59   ‘Cutting their fucking throats’. You seem quite violent for a professional mathematician .

Posted by Accidents will happen! on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:17 | #

Maybe Ivan approves of his Muslimoid brothers actions?

Muslims do think it’s okay to beat, rape and kill women. They also believe that if a woman in their family is raped, she should be murdered by stoning, stabbing, raging inferno or being buried alive, in order to preserve the “honor” of the family. Being raped is the woman’s fault, because she sinned by not covering up her entire body and thus tempting men who have no self-control or just feel like getting his rocks off and using their stone age religion as an excuse to rape helpless women.

Bradford: The real capital of Pakistan

Upon visiting typically the cry is “Jesus Christ Bradford is swarming with them.”

It’s the words we don’t say that scare me. The English living a life that’s almost like suicide. Some things no-one can used to.

Posted by daniel2 on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:23 | #

Ivan said:

“These lowlife individuals probably treat them like whores which they probably are. That’s why you need some kind of discipline in your society: women should know how to behave themselves.”

How old were these girls that Ivan is calling ‘whores’?

Maybe their mothers naively taught them to be friendly to strangers?

Posted by Accidents will happen! on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:25 | #

Honest Muslim man how about this!

muslimperialist

A person who wishes Islam to dominate the world, by any and all means necessary. Synonymous with Muslim.

He was a moderate muslimperialist. He only endorsed deceit, subversion and aggressive breeding as means to establish the caliphate, rather than bombing, rape and genocide.

If the cap fits wear it?

Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:37 | #

‘Honest’ Ivan has a mouth like a sewer and a heart like a fridge – vulnerable under-age kids are ‘whores’ to be abused as these rancid scumbags see fit???

What’s the probability of Ivan being an epic douche-bag: P=1

Posted by daniel2 on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:46 | #

If Ivan would call a girl 16 and under a whore, he’d better shut his fat lips and leave Europe forever.

Posted by Thorn on Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:52 | #

Circassian @ 5.59   ‘Cutting their fucking throats’. You seem quite violent for a professional mathematician.

Ivan is just lashing out there because he isn’t getting the level of respect from y’all that he thinks he rightfully deserves, that’s all.

Now, if you excuse me, gentlemen, I have few other things to attend. (—Ivan)

Yes, Ivan says he has things to attend to.  Yes, in all probability, he has to have his mommy change his poopy diaper. 

Posted by Langford on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:14 | #

Thorn after his diaper change his mommy will play his favorite song for him:

“Murderers, the Hope of Women”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pD24A858Fc

Not to be confused with the 1909 play “Murderer, the Hope of Women” by Oskar Kokoschka.

Of course irony or humor isn’t something Muslims typically ‘do’ as the Danish cartoon episode shows. So Ivan ‘cut their throats’ takes it all to heart. What a nice chap…what next ice-picks Ivan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy

Ivan, Islam is, at its core, a rancid ideology and you’re the living proof.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 00:16 | #

Graham_Lister @ 6.37   ‘What’s the probability of Ivan being an epic douche-bag’. Well Graham, I have run this question through a series of long and incredibly complex mathematical models using all available data and tested it to the most vigorous and thorough standards. And the answer was, yes. There is a 100% mathematical certainty that Ivan is, indeed, a massive, massive douche-bag.

Posted by Hopsack on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:46 | #

“Doesn’t mean shit until they get themselves some snazzy uniforms and learn how to march.”

You’d be surprised what you can get away with when wearing a shirt and tie.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:01 | #

Circassian @ 5.59   Thanks for that reply C, i’m sorry I called you a massive douche-bag but whores?. Come on my friend, you say you’re a decent, religious man. What if that was your daughter or sister?. As I understand it some of the victims were as young as twelve. They were plied with drink, drugs and then raped C. Some of them were from carehomes,  extremely vulnerable and deliberately targeted for that reason. I know it’s foolish to stereotype and you’ve stated you think the perpetrators are lowlifes, but you also imply that they deserve what happened to them. This is medieval, backwards bullshit C. No outcry or condemnation or revulsion from the wider UK Muslim community either (that I know of). This is not a good look for Muslims plc Circassian, and to be honest, you haven’t helped. I can tell you how UK Pakistani’s will react if there’s a violent backlash. With a violent backlash, so maybe they are your type of Muslims after all. I’m sure any throat slashing will be done as a gesture of peace and goodwill though. I fully understand what you mean when you talk about people falling into the traps that have been set, but unfortunately many will run headlong into them. With stories like this to fuel the anger, are you really surprised?. (Sorry for the wall of text, I haven’t worked out how to do paragraphs yet and I’m only online on a Playstation).

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:03 | #

no outcry of- sorry

Posted by Circassian on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:47 | #

Circassian @ 5.59 ‘Cutting their fucking throats’. You seem quite violent for a professional mathematician.

I prefer to call it fair, uKn_Leo, not violent. I’m not violent at all when treated fairly. Even after being treated unfairly, I believe in exercising forgiveness, assuming the perpetrator has clearly understood his wrong ways. Sure, after someone’s throat has been cut, there is not much chance he could recant. But cutting the throat is really an extreme punishment which should be reserved for crimeы that match that kind of extreme corrective measure.

I’ve been following this strategy throughout all my life without realizing that it is actually the equivalent of a highly effective strategy known in game theory as tit-for-tat for the iterated prisoner’s dilemma . Lest be accused of exercising excessive punishment for crimes committed against me, I hasten to add: I’ve never cut any throats except for chickens’, turkeys’, and few lambs’ throats which, I think, is understandable in view of my upbringing.

The idea of the strategy is realty very simple: An agent using this strategy will initially cooperate, then respond in kind to an opponent’s previous action. If the opponent previously was cooperative, the agent is cooperative. If not, the agent is not. This is similar to super rationality and reciprocal altruism in biology.

It is interesting to note that, analyzing Putin’s actions and behavior, I came to the conclusion that he follows the same strategy. No wonder he is the most brilliant, the most successful, and the most intelligent politician of our time.

If Ivan would call a girl 16 and under a whore, he’d better shut his fat lips and leave Europe forever.

daniel2, I know you are not interested in my opinion brother. Just for FYI: I don’t have fat lips and I am an American.

Ivan is just lashing out there because he isn’t getting the level of respect from y’all that he thinks he rightfully deserves, that’s all.

Yes, I do rightfully deserve a relatively high level of respect, but I couldn’t care less whether I get it from the likes of you Thorn, or not.

Thorn after his diaper change his mommy will play his favorite song for him

I would give a lot to go back in time when my mother was changing my diaper and playing my favorite song for me. Unfortunately that is not possible if only for the simple reason that my mother passed away years ago.

All in all I wasn’t disappointed too much by your responses since I was wise enough not to anticipate much. But quite frankly, it’s a bit sad that not a single soul has shown a sincere sense of simple human dignity. It is truly amazing.

no outcry of- sorry

You have started good, uKn_Leo, you have used the right words at the beginning: alleged crimes. Then you have greatly disappointed me. These alleged crimes should be proven in the court of law without reasonable doubt. Then I will say what I have to say.

I am not going to cut your throat for now, because you seem to have managed to preserve some dignity in you. Just remember: Think and act in terms of tit-for-tat strategy, and you’ll do just fine - with muslims and non-muslims alike.

Posted by Red Keder on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:09 | #

Ivan, all you’ve proved is that you are as sick as your devil-worshiping coreligionists. What “court of law” is there for those accused of blasphemy against Mohammed the Pedophile? Where is the justice for the Whites abused by these mud demons?
They are guilty, they’ve been doing it since 600 AD. There is no need for them to be in White lands.

Hopefully this Revolution will continue, and drive the political left into the grave and the muslims back to Arabia.

Posted by GW is innumerate on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:54 | #

Islam is not the problem.

Posted by GW is innumerate on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:59 | #

Aliens are—especially Ashkekikes.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:21 | #

Ivan wants to impress everyone with his very basic knowledge of evolutionary game-theory.

Tit for Tat?

Well Ivan you’re certainly a tit.

Ivan is a twelve year-old a ‘whore’ in your ‘culture’? - I only use that c-word in the anthropological sense.

Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:36 | #

What about calls for boycotts of Muslim establishments? Hard to avoid taxis, if you need em, but stay out of their restaurants, takeaways, etc. Can this be “memed” out and work? (Haller)

Not many answers to this. Why can’t Brits put the word out to stage mass boycotts of Muslim-operated businesses? Whites boycotting anything in CA is nearly pointless, but I’ve often thought that I would have made a big deal about this if I had come from a small white town being infested with immigrants. Whites do not have to be completely impotent in the face of treasonous elite policies. If a Chinese immigrant family opened a restaurant in a small town in rural Minnesota, that town could not use legislation to expel them (would violate the (Federal, therefore superseding) 1964 Civil Rights Act - one of Titles 2, 4 or 7). That does not mean that the townsmen could not issue a call for boycott, thus effectively driving them out of business, and probably out of town if no one hires them (the latter could also result in Civil Rights litigation, but again if a townsfolk sticks together, probably no one would be successfully prosecuted).

So ... is the English nationalist underground issuing calls for boycotts of all Muslim owned businesses? Recall what I have been saying for a while now: gradualist radicalization. This requires initial victories to build momentum. This is a great one on which to start building “national(ist) team spirit” (in some area other than football, of course, which doesn’t seem to have amounted to much politically).

PS - I encourage those of you struggling to get rid of Ivan/Circassian. He is the purest troll at MR. I took the brunt of his mendacity and trolldom for quite a while. Nice to see the battle join’d.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:41 | #

GW is innumerate,

I agree on all counts.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:57 | #

Leon Haller @ 4.36   Nationalists don’t need to do anything here. Hold steady, and these court cases will do all the work for you. They have everything, including complicity from the establishment that has made the situation far far worse. The real way that so many of these immigrants view the host population has been laid bare for all to see (Ivanesque, as this attitude will now be known to me). The slice of England where these incidents are occuring covers a population running into the tens of millions. Co-ordinated action will be nigh on impossible. Watch, wait, see what happens organically. Let them suffer for a while under the weight of utter shame and embarassment they have brought on themselves and their community.                                                                                                Circassian @ 11.47   You need to leave the field of pro mathematics/ninja, and retrain in PR. Your boys in the UK need some help, and fast.

Posted by Gudmund on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:02 | #

Guessedworker,

Off topic question here, but we’ve been hearing a lot of hoo-ha here in the States about Scottish independence.  Apparently it’s not so remote a possibility as before.  I thought, maybe this is a good thing as it may signify a healthy re-ignition of tribal sentiment, but then one of your countrymen over at Phora told me that the SNP is not really a nationalist party at all but a pro-immigration, social democratic outfit with no real concern for the heritage and people of Scotland.  Is this generally accurate?

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:23 | #

Gudmund,

Graham is a Scot and a communitarian, so he is closer to the Scots will for independence than I, and better qualified to comment upon it.

I support it, however.  Parliamentary devolution only strengthened Scottish identity and the demand for full national independence, and it seems at least plausible to expect that, if granted by the electorate, full independence would carry the process further and closer toward a true politics of identity.

But, for me as an Englishman, the pay-off of independence north of the border would be that same process to the south.  The English have the furthest way to go to achieve self-identification, with all that entails, because we were the most comfortable with the “British” status quo and the most identified, in an artificial sense, with the British political state.  We have already moved a considerable distance from that:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9678000/9678426.stm

... but the debate about it is still hung up in civicism, ie the Mid-Lothian Question, which is about voting arrangements in the House of Commons, and the demand for English constitutional rights.

Posted by Circassian on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:28 | #

Security forces have uncovered a plot to assassinate Russia’s Vladimir Putin and have arrested suspects linked to a Chechen rebel leader known for other terror attacks, Russian state television reported Monday.

I have been expecting something like this for some time now. It is with sadness I announce that brother Doku Umarov failed to realize his wrong ways. I give my blessing and permission to Putin to cut my brother Doku’s throat. This is that rare case of extreme punishment for an extreme crime I was talking about earlier in my lecture on the necessity of tit-for-tat benevolent strategy.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:52 | #

As things stand, there will come a moment, Ivan, when every European people will know that its existence can only be secured through violence.  If that moment has not been reached in Chechnya ... if the demand is only for political self-determination ... then the terror tactic is inadmissable.  A political goal does not, or should not, licence existential measures.  Only an existential goal can licence those.

Posted by red mercury on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:01 | #

My proposed solution to this problem is such that I can’t describe it online. But you know what I’m talking about.

If enough Muslims and their families, and members of the State security forces and their families, were to suffer directly for these crimes, then I think we would see change.

My suspicion is that certain members of the armed forces (current and ex) are preparing such an initiative, but I can’t confirm just yet.

In any event, Muslims and members of the multi-culti elites will have brought it upon themselves.

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:40 | #

Armed resistance today - Breivikism, for example - would only drive the nail in deeper.  When the people know there is no other hope of life, then that is the time for armed resistance.  But we are still a longish way from such a realisation.  Fifteen to twenty years, I have said in the past.

Of course, if the elites are too stupid to understand or too corrupt to care that stopping up the politics of an English reclamation via a state-sponsored BNP dog in the nationalist manger will create exactly the conditions for such a response, well, they are guaranteeing themselves a rude awakening.

Right now, we are still in the political phase.  The Griffin/Harrington Party - the Special Branch Party - has to be disposed of so the will of the English people has an authentic outlet.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:04 | #

The 1950s was the high-point of Unionism in Scotland – in one general election (1955) the Conservatives obtained 50.1% of the popular vote in Scotland. The SNP barely got over 7000 votes. At the time the Conservative party was proud to be know as the “Conservative & Unionist Party”. Independence was something for concern for a handful of, mainly literally, intellectuals and very marginal to Scottish society. Compared with today the situation has moved radically – on the balance of probabilities I would say that independence will happen.

The Conservative party (Tories) are effectively non-existent in Scotland. Why? The are dressed in the wrong flag. If centre-right parties normally wrap themselves in the flag the Tories have picked the wrong one. The argument of unionists against independence is basically thus: “you/we the Scots are too stupid and feeble to run our own affairs and it will all end in disaster and penury”. That is hardly a feel-good message is it? Nor is it true. What’s more it tend to come from Scottish Westminster figures that convey it in a tone of “Scotland is a parochial backwater - I am much more important as a British minister”. Again hardly a positive message.

The SNP is a moderate centre-left social-democratic party (think quasi-Scandinavian) but has assiduously courted the business world in recent years and has a very wide ‘internal spectrum’ compared with many conventional centre-right or centre-left parties – the focus is obviously the ‘national’ question so other issues take a back-seat and Salmond and the SNP elite have attempted to build a ‘wide-Church’ movement (well ‘wide Kirk’ is more appropriate).  Alex Salmond (the SNP leader) is a former corporate banker with experience in the oil sector, I believe. Of course, post any break-up of the UK, the issue of who is Scottish will have to be addressed – there are many Scots in England with English-born children who should be eligible for Scottish citizenship – so it will have to based on blood in some way – rather like those in England of Irish origins can claim Irish citizenship (I think up to a grandparent being born in Ireland). 

With the decks cleared a ‘new right’ (in a Scotland with proportional representation) would quickly emerge to fill a political niche, especially focused on keeping what took so long to achieve – i.e. independence and sovereignty. In Scotland there are many fewer third-worlders (Scotland on the latest figure is around 98% Euro) than in England (and London in particular is the epicenter of the change in the genetic make-up of the nation). So again a ‘right-wing’ party in Scotland could have a “let’s solve our own problems and look after our own” line with some success. If things went well it’s possible that a large number of Scots presently outside of Scotland would return, so again the idea of importing the population of Sudan would hopefully not gain much traction.

Obviously as GW has said the questions of the ‘West Lothian question’ etc., are total trivia – but the cultural politics of Englishness would become far more pressing and salient in any post-Union world. In a sense the long period of British statehood has resulted in the most powerful nation on the isles (England) dissolving its identity into ‘Britishness’ – if Britain no long exists in that sense then, in a odd way, Englishness would have to be rediscovered or re-imagined almost posthumously. The likes of Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and other ‘black-Britons’ feel deep unease at that prospect. She fears the real British tribes asking - “who are we?” as the answer isn’t African or Muslim.

Posted by Circassian on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:09 | #

Circassian @ 11.47   You need to leave the field of pro mathematics/ninja, and retrain in PR

uKn_Leo you seem to be one of those who Alexander Pushkin famously dubbed “unreasonable Khazars” - the tribe that puts as much resistance to righteous religious enlightenment as mules to toilet training.

PR is a Jewish concept: Manipulation by way of subtle deception. I do not get education from the Jews. Quite the opposite: I’m trying to help them to understand their wrong ways. I am kind of Jesus in that regard.

My concept of PR is different: Education by way of plain truth-telling.

Ivanesque, as this attitude will now be known to me

You are not as dumb as you appear at the first glance, though: You are the only one so far who understood clearly that Ivan is neither a name nor a person. Ivan is a philosophy, a concept, a doctrine of Circassian if you will.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:19 | #

Oh and the third-worlders were given ‘British citizenship’ - if England inherits most of the British elements post-Union - permanent security seat ay the UN etc., then there could be a legal argument that their British citizenship ‘defaults’ to an English one post-Union - as Scottish citizenship would be a new legal entity, to be defined by the Scottish government in any way they see fit. Ideally along some ‘blood’ criterion.

Free train tickets to Newcastle and Carlisle with their new English passports! Not a bad idea as around 50% of the third-worlders in Scotland are not even Scottish born, according to a leading ‘anti-racism’ website I was looking at -  so really what possible claim could they have to Scottish citizenship?

Posted by The Inimitable Dirty Bull on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:30 | #

Graham Lister,
              The SNp has got some pretty horrible positions regarding immigration - basically it’s a shitty little immigrationist party along the lines of New Labour and the Swedish socialiists.If that little fat c*nt Alex Salmond ever achieved power, expect a black majority Scotland by century’s end.
If Scotland does actually break away (I have my doubts), then we can ‘look forward’ to perpetual Tory one-party rule in England for ever - that’s an incontrovertible fact.Possibly the death rate of England through immigration will be ameliorated.The Labour Party will degenerate into a gaggle of political eunuch, impotent seat-warmers - rather like today’s Trade Uinion movement.
Ironically, as you note, once upon a time Scotland was, believe it or not, a Tory heartland.Basically, it was Thatcher by gutting Scottish industry who turned the Scots red.
Also, the Scots were Tory when Britain had an empire and was agreat power, as the power waned, so, pragmatically, did Scotland’s loyalty.

Posted by Langford on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:31 | #

Ivan in action…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jpNcAQKQO8&

hey Ivan buddy you still haven’t said if you think its OK for grown men to drug and rape 12 year old kids - oh right your religion was founded by a pedo so obviously you’re OK with it.

Posted by Raging Dirty Bull on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:39 | #

Has anyone read that latest shit-stirring piece of crap in that shit-stirring, sex-obsessed piece of crap that is the Daily Mail about Nick Griffin, ‘flashing’ his august, nationalist leader ‘brooch and earrings’ at some boob-jobbed middle aged floozy?
Apparently the ‘happily married’ Griffo got a bit boozed up and carried away sharing a car with the said scrubber and got a mite too fruity - the ministerial and definitely non-circumcized chipolata was flashed, Clinto style.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:46 | #

Dirty Bull

You assume that politics is static - no its a dynamic and open-ended process. As I have said post-independence the various factions contained within the SNP would probably fracture and eventually split. The only real thing SNP member have in common is the independence question - and with the Tory zombies (the living dead of the Scottish politics) gone then the entire political spectrum to the right would be open - politics abhors a vacuum.

Indeed the rise of the SNP is mainly on the broken back of the Labour Party which is in a pitiful state, intellectually, morally and politically in Scotland. We simply cannot predict ahead of time what post-Union Scottish politics would look like, nor indeed English politics in the same circumstances - but it would open up a ‘potential space’ (as they say in anatomy) for fresh ideas and new forms of political thinking.

The SNP is but a mechanism for the goal of independence not the terminus of that process.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:48 | #

Circassian/Ivan/Jesus @ 11.09   I have been reading up on the tit for tat info you mentioned, thanks C, yet one more thing I have learned about from reading MR. If I have any questions about it i’ll know where to come for help oh great enlightened one. Remember this though Circs, you can mock my level of intelligence and knowledge, thats fine. I am more a man of the streets than the textbook for sure. Would your ‘fancy book learnins’ give you the advantage if you insulted me to my face?. I’ll leave you with your superior mathematical knowledge to work that one out. On that subject C, you said I had disappointed you. Can I explain. I am much closer to street level UK life than probably all of you. Circs, at this level we don’t need the media or proven court cases to tell us whats going on, we are living it. Hence my shift from ‘alleged’. I know that these incidents are happening across the UK, fact. The 47 current defendants are just the tip of the iceberg. Yes, there are plenty of white English paedophiles, drug dealers, bank robbers etc. It’s the viscious, violently racist elements to these Muslim mens crimes that are undermining any chance of peaceful co-existence.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:59 | #

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2106633/BNP-leader-Nick-Griffin-sex-pest-exposed-glamour-model-car.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

The only shocking thing about the Griffin tittle-tattle is that the object of desire was a woman.

On basic evolutionary game-theory try Robert Axlerod’s “The Evolution of Cooperation”

http://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Cooperation-Revised-Robert-Axelrod/dp/0465005640/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330361807&sr=8-1

Bit more to it than ‘tit for tat’.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:04 | #

Graham, this is a bit cheeky but anyway. You say that the West Lothian question is mere trivia. Would you agree if you were an English student looking at uni fees of nine thousand pounds per year?. Or an elderly Englishman who has to sell his house to pay for personal care?. Also, sending all your unwanted third world immigrants across the border for free is a bit naughty. At least make them pay for their goddamn ticket!.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:08 | #

Robert Axelrod link recieved, thanks G_L

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:29 | #

@uKn_Leo

Well those things you mention are issues but not quite at the same level as the meta-political ones that are the focus of MR.

One of the other long standing commentators once described me as a “ethno-communitarian social democrat” which is not that bad as far as it goes - so yes I wouldn’t have student fees as such, but there might be less places, more rigorous but fewer courses, and a bit more income tax on graduates to pay for it. And of course the idea that society is imparting the gift of higher education for those that can benefit rather than it’s a service you pay for and then ‘demand’ certain outcomes as a customer etc., would be a positive change.

Universities can only be dumbed-down so far to meet ‘customer needs and expectations’ before the term higher education becomes redundant. Degree factories, unfortunately, are very real.

Posted by Dan Dare on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:41 | #

Not a bad idea as around 50% of the third-worlders in Scotland are not even Scottish born, according to a leading ‘anti-racism’ website I was looking at -  so really what possible claim could they have to Scottish citizenship? - GL

The same statistic (and question) applies to England.

But haven’t the SNP long complained that Scotland has not been getting it’s ‘fair share’ of immigrants - England greedily snaffling up almost all of them - while campaigning for immigration to be ‘devolved’? It wouldn’t seem likely that they would move to expel their own vibrants on achieving independence.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:12 | #

For what it’s worth G_L i’d trade the current hellhole we live in for Majority Rightsville in an instant. The world you guys describe sounds fantastic. And I mean that in the sincerest of meta-politicalistical terms of course.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:14 | #

@Dan

Well some SNP types say such things – do you think they are being 100% honest or is it just PC “we aren’t racists” posturing? The trouble with England is the scale of the numbers – Scotland is still 97-98% Euro, sadly England isn’t. And the criteria for Scottish citizenship would be a lively legal and political battleground I’m sure, perhaps not quite as favourable as I suggested (the third-worlders are given there British/English passports and train tickets south) but still the question would be on the agenda in a way it hasn’t been for a very long time.

As I said the SNP is pragmatically unified under the ‘national question’ but under the surface the various factions do not really share very much ideologically - it would split under post-Union conditions.

On that topic…

Bikhu Parekh (a very English name) has argued that “we are British but also English, Scottish, Irish or Welsh, Catholics, Protestant or Muslim, and so on” and that “a liberal society respects these non-political or sub-national identities for both moral and prudential reasons” (in “Government and Opposition”). Yasmin Alibali-Brown stressed, in her exchange of letters with Tom Nairn in “Pariah”, emphatically that Britain should remain and be a “cosmopolitan state”.

To which one might respond with:

“We have come to recognize that the political is the total, and as a result we know that any decision about whether something is unpolitical is always a political decision, irrespective of who decides and what reasons are advanced”.

Carl Schmitt from “Political Theology”

Posted by Lurker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:17 | #

Graham - I only found out recently that in the “great Labour landslide of 1945” Scotland voted more tory than England. Not by much but still a difference. Even in the 1950s Macmillan’s tories polled more than half the popular vote in Scotland. So, yes, the idea of Scotland as a naturally socialist country is a relatively recent invention. Or indeed England as a naturally conservative one.

Posted by Lurker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:24 | #

Most vocal SNP types Ive come across seem to be your basic Guardianista. Their pro-Scottishness isnt so much anti-English as anti-Tory. If there are other more passionate, real Scot Nats they dont make their presence felt very often.

Posted by Dan Dare on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:41 | #

@ GL re Tommo and the Yazzmonster:

Yes, but then wasn’t he in the end keen to reassure her that things would be much different (i.e. better) in the newly-minted Republic of Scotland for hypenated ‘Britons’ like her?

And yet (as you plainly fear) things could still slide backwards. That’s what I meant about the wolves*. We do have a few mangy specimens scrabbling around the dustbins up here, but (inevitably) the main pack is near your back door, in England. Don’t blame us for their howling!

*In this context, a “resurgent Right slavering about comebacks, former glories and family values.”

And of course your remarks about new political space appearing post-independence are very germane to both sides of the border.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:00 | #

In fact the Tories in Scotland used to be known as the Scottish Unionist Party, or simply as the Unionist Party and were the dominant force in Scottish politics until the late 1950s

Very few things in the world of politics are permanent.

Posted by Dan Dare on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:34 | #

True, however universalist egalitarianism went meta-political ages ago, around the late 1940s as I recall. It hasn’t been salonfähig to broach the ‘mad taboo’ since then.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:46 | #

Off topic but the “The Culture Show” on the BBC is having a David Hockney ‘special’ tonight – why not rename it “The anti-Culture Show”?  That such mediocre efforts can be considered ‘Art’ is a sign of a seriously confused and debased culture. And Damien Hirst should be hung for crimes against culture – I’m joking…honestly.

On a related topic Jeremy Paxman was interviewed in the “Radio Times” about his upcoming series on the British Empire for the BBC and used the following language:

Hunt: Is multi-cultural, multi-ethnic Britain the obvious legacy of Empire today?

Paxman: It’s a very obvious one, isn’t it? Something that is able to change the very genetic make-up of a people cannot be said to have had no lasting resonance. I can think of very few other things that we might talk about, where one could point to something quite so profound. It’s a postwar thing, isn’t it? There’s the 1948 Nationality Act, where everyone’s entitled to come and live in Britain.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-02-27/jeremy-paxman-on-the-british-empire-and-the-bbc

Of course Paxman makes it clear he thinks that genetic displacement is a wonderful thing…are these people that stupid or just cynical? Or do they live in such a bubble (economically and culturally) that the only thing that matters to them is their social status and moral posturing?

Posted by Dan Dare on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:11 | #

I didn’t see where Paxman comes out and says that Graham, although he does state that he the “thought the [BNA] 1948 idea of everyone who were citizens being in a family was charming.”

I don’t have a candle to hold for Paxo, God forbid, but I do suspect he was being ever so ironic here. What is ‘charming’ is to look back on the astonishing naiveté of the political elites at the time, who could open the doors (or more correctly, codify into law the existing wide-open state of the doors) to a quarter of the world’s population, and then not expect anybody to turn up. Except returning kith and kin, of course.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:31 | #

Dan - I guess Paxman could have his tongue in his cheek - as you say it’s a particular type of hubris to think that a quarter of the world’s population could become ‘British’ by an act of will in Westminster. Absolute folly, stupefying vanity, a fatal conceit.

Putting a bowler hat on an African’s head doesn’t mean he’s an English gentleman. I mean the African isn’t half as sleekit for a start.

Posted by Foundation on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:41 | #

British society has been politicked, engineered socially and to some extent culturally bent out of shape through the mangle that was hippiedom: Jack Straw’s generation. I was too young but looking back I can see how freaks like Straw would enter the political bloodstream of the nation and try to poison it, kill it even. There are thousands more like Straw, and they worked themselves into positions of power and influence - the judiciary and the BBC are two very obvious ones. Add to that academia and you get people like Anthony Giddens (LSE) grooming the young Tony Bliar on the finer points of Third Way politics. Yasmin Alibah-Brown’s “Cosmopolitan state” is Third Way politics:

The Third Way - The Renewel of Social Democracy (1998), Chapter 5. The cosmopolitan nation, Para II:

‘National identity can be a benign influence only if it is tolerant of ambivalence, or multiple affiliation. Individuals who similtaneoulsy are English, British or European and have some overall sense of global citizenship, may regard one of these as their overriding identity, but this need not prevent them from accepting the others too. Xenophobic nationalism is the opposite: the nation is ‘one, indivisable’. It is culturally protectionist, assuming the nation has a ‘destiny’ - that it is not only set apart from but superior to other nations. But nations don’t have destinies, and all nations, without exception, are ‘mongrel nations’. The nation is not something given in nature, and whatever remote connections they may have to earlier ethnic communities, nations are a product of relatively recent history. They have all been built from a diversity of cultural fragments.’

One can see from that why New Labour did what it did and opened the UK’s borders to the whole world, re: the Andrew Neather confession. And Mr Giddens, how unobserved is he in all this - when he reveals his own self-hating, anti-English character near the beginning of the chapter:

‘The divisive aspects of nationalism won’t disappear, of course. But it is exactly a more cosmopolitan version of nationhood we need to keep them in check.’

Giddens was a hippy.

Posted by Comprehensiveboy on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:01 | #

I blame the British Empire - do not love this beast.  British imperialists, no matter how successful are not British nationalists.  They are loyal to the the power of the state they wield not the people -I mean the British people as it was understood previously.  When the invited the denizens of Kashmir to come to live in Yorkshire it was only affecting the workers there up close - people they had been ruling and abusing for centuries - I mean the Scots, Irish, English, Welsh.  Populaton movements were common during the Empire - Ceylon being one I believe, and the earliest, maybe, Ulster.  Hence we see the modern statist version of these types - Oxbridge BBC high priests like Paxman.  It resembles the later stages of the Roman Empire.  The rulers so in love with the continuation of their power would invite in all the border tribes and make them citizens, throw all the barbarians and plebs together.  Barbarians against plebs, with ‘New-Patrician’ rule.  We know where it ended the last time.

Posted by Circassian on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:03 | #

Remember this though Circs, you can mock my level of intelligence and knowledge, thats fine. I am more a man of the streets than the textbook for sure.

You are not listening, tough gay. It’s a good practice to listen, even for a man of the streets like yourself, to learned elders of Circasia. I do not care if you have high IQ, medium rare IQ, or no IQ. I care about your soul and your dignity. Do you have some of that? If you do, we’ll get along just fine.

Would your ‘fancy book learnins’ give you the advantage if you insulted me to my face?

I do not insult people. I try to help people to realize their wrong ways. While doing that, it’s not always easy to hide the disgust some of the wrong doers invoke in my gentle and gentile soul. Why would I insult a decent man, especially someone as tough as you are.

Circs, at this level we don’t need the media or proven court cases to tell us whats going on, we are living it. Hence my shift from ‘alleged’. I know that these incidents are happening across the UK, fact.

Well, then just go right ahead, bubba. My intuition tells me though that you don’t have even the courage of a hyena to join the pack and get the job done. You are more like Gai Murros type who would rather have the hyenas do the job for him.

Putting a bowler hat on an African’s head doesn’t mean he’s an English gentleman. I mean the African isn’t half as sleekit for a start.

This is true Graham_Lister. But I strongly suspect: Putting a bowler hat on Graham_Lister won’t make him an English gentleman either. I mean Graham_Lister isn’t half as noble for a start.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:41 | #

Circassian @ 5.03   Circs i’m not making any more comments that aren’t meta-politicaly focussed out of respect for the established users of this site. Instead of trolling, oh learned elder of Circasia, help me out by posting some interesting links or share some nuggets of your meta-political wisdom. Thanks.

Posted by daniel2 on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:43 | #

You should not confuse the authentic motives of hippies with its exploitation and co-option by Jewish interests.

There are important reasons why you should not make this mistake. You are distracting from eminently legitimate and authentic motives of White men and covering up of the disingenuous motives of Jewish interests and the out of turn motives of feminism (where legitimate at all, and not a mere bully pulpit for Jewish interests)

Hippies, as opposed to The Viet Nam War, were about a right below rights for the (White) male of the species to Be - that is, to have the right to exist on the basis of intrinsic, inherited value, as opposed to being allowed to exist merely on the basis of accomplishment, what they do or through proof in overcoming brutal rights of passage up to and including war.

The White male motive to be left alone was different from the Black Male motive which aimed more toward the power of rule.

Moreover, the White male motive was a stance against the military industrial complex - wars had become habit form for generations, and had done the White race no good. It was a movement against inhumane demands made upon White men, and a motive to be, by contrast. With male being is a corollary to the right of the White race to exist on the basis of pre-existent evolution.

Unfortunately, one true draw back of the hippies is that they were inarticulate and non-intellectual. That had something to do with their very fundamental motive to organic being, which was cooperative, not competitive and high achievement oriented.

Thus, they were exploited, their movement obfuscated by the Jews, who might like very much for people to continue to blame hippies, as opposed to Jews.

Hence, that is an unhelpful thing to do, to blame hippies - it distract from the true culprits - the Jews, who had their Marxist and PC motives - the likes of Herbert Marcuse, who were promoting “free love and polymorphous perversion” - promiscuous sex having nothing to do with the prerogative and being of ordinary males as a rule, nothing to do with the preservation of authentic White male being.

What that aspect did have to do with was pandering to women, Jewish feminism, putting the feminsit movement first and out of turn. White male being should have come first, as the very right to their existence was not recognized - their sublimation of deprivation was not respected. White men were treated as if they had only achieved as a result of differentiation of fulfillment. ...were punished for achieving at times, despite severe lack of support on basic levels of need. They needed being - the basic levels of need. Failing that, there would necessarily be aberrant over compensation and gross injustices.

Their having to go unquestioningly to what turned out to be futile war for corporate interests, while feminism sought to excise its higher grumbles, its higher and more conceited complaints, the higher motives on a hierarchy of needs (and don’t embroil me in a debate about Maslow, I’m speakng approximately), farther reaches of actualization (see my articles in VoR archives: Incommensurate Agendas of Individuation and Gender Differentiation), was a great injustice that the hippie movement rightfully sought to correct and balance off: They were being punished for achieving despite the fact that they were at a disadvantage, much deprived of the basics on the hierarchy of needs.

This is still in need of correction and it is still obfuscated and misunderstood, witness the post above.

Both Jewish influenced feminists and neo-tratitional women find it convenient to blame hippies and to distract from the legitimacy of their movement.

Certainly the various Jewish interest would find it convenient to let hippies take the blame as well.

Don’t believe it. The legitimacy of White male being through co-evolution of tens of thousands of years is a crucial aspect of our as yet inarticulate struggle for the legitimacy of White survival.

Posted by daniel2 on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:46 | #

Indeed, White male Being, is to not be forced into life and death competition with all races…whether through immigration or through corporatist, military industrial complex sponsored wars.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:13 | #

Daniel2 @ 5.43   ‘Unfortunately, one true draw back of the hippies is that they were inarticulate and non-intellectual. That had something to do with their very fundamental motive to organic being’- That, and smoking vast amounts of top quality weed.

Posted by daniel2 on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:33 | #

uKn_Leo said

“That, and smoking vast amounts of top quality weed”...

And ingesting shrooms, and LSD and coke and booze…pills etc…

Still, while that was part of it (a way to tap into organic being, and to have fund aside from the sometimes conceited demands of women), and drugs were not always a big intellectual help ...they were sometimes also used as more of a blame-worthy excuse than they actually were, becoming a distraction, in fact from the actual problems, which were more as I was saying. That is, they were often more an effect of problems (resulting in the search for being and relief) than a cause of problems…

Exercise caution nevertheless, even with top quality weed - I know some daily smokers and they will not stop talking..

For teenagers, it can make one shy with girls..

..still putting smoke in your lungs….not a great idea…

Posted by Graham_Lister on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:39 | #

Isn’t the problem with hippies their dirty feet mainly? Wouldn’t let them in house personally. That was a joke - I did have long hair in my youth.

Well I just watched “Proud & Prejudiced” on Channel 4 – about the EDL and extremist Muslims in the UK – outside of the UK you will need a UK proxy to watch it on Channel 4 website.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/proud-and-prejudiced

Now the documentary was interesting for two reasons. A Luton council worker – a ‘cohesion officer’ no less organised a “Luton in Harmony” campaign and when asked about it claimed it was non-political, and seemed to be sincere. Please can we not have ‘cohesion officers’ but if we must can they be forced to read some Schmitt?

Secondly some Muslims in the UK want to have Sharia law – not just for themselves but for everyone – is that a reasonable stance?

Ivan I know you can’t answer a straight question about your views on crimes against children being a bad thing (or not as your silence implies) how about Sharia law? Are you for that?

Ah dinnae ken Ivan was a genius like, but he seems a little slow when it comes to British humour. That splendid old duffer and drunk Auberon Waugh once wrote an article in “The Spectator” asking the question: do Americans have immortal souls? He was doubtful. Might we ask do Muslims have a sense of humour?

Posted by Circassian on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:53 | #

help me out by posting some interesting links or share some nuggets of your meta-political wisdom

I certainly can help you with that. Do you know something about Austrian economics, von Mises, Rothbard, etc? There is a lot of meta-political wisdom to be harvested there too. If not, let me know, and I’d be happy to give you some directions.

Besides, there is a lot of other good stewards around here with untapped deposits of great meta-political wisdom. Leon Haller, Graham_Lister, daniel1, daniel2, daniel3, ...  - just to name a few.

Btw aren’t you supposed to be somewhere on the streets in revenge attack on Moslem shops in Heywood instead of waiting for my guidance in front of you computer?

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 27 Feb 2012 23:56 | #

Graham,

I am surprised to see you quoting Carl Schmitt:

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/an_interest_in_carl_schmitt

I was going to do something on him a few ago, but let the matter drop - other than this:

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_horizontally_totalitarian_future_world

You appear to be interested in his concept of “the political” and perhaps in decisionism.  How interesting, actually, is Schmitt for you?

Posted by daniel4 on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:07 | #

..have some vodka and some top quality weed, Ivan…you need it.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:12 | #

Brilliant info about the hippies Daniel2. Eye opening. Circassian-Austrian Economics-on it, thank you, i’ll leave the shop smashing for tomorrow (unless I get my hands on some of that quality weed). Today I am trying to better myself Circs. You should be pleased. Maybe one day i’ll take you on in a meta-politicaliscious debate. (don’t hold your breath though, this may take some time).

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 00:46 | #

Daniel,

I am shocked - shocked I tell you - that you would willingly expose young Ivan, an innocent Circassian mathematician and apologist for Moslem child-grooming, to the evils that cannabinnoids can do to his obviously strait-laced neurotransmitters (which are, of course, essential in adding-up and subtraction).

How is he ever to resolve Goldbach’s conjecture, even in its weak formulation, when the only words that his mouth can form amid all the smoke and smut are, “You know what, man? I don’t really care any more.”

Now, I’ve nothing against hippies - and, lord knows, I tried very hard to put myself against a number of the female ones back in 69.  And again in 70.  But it is a lifestyle no self-respecting Moslem kiddie-fiddler wants to find himself sinking into.  The parties.  The sleeping arrangements.  The music ... I mean McLaughlin’s Mahavishnu thing, Ian Anderson’s Brick, you know?  Or even, if you want to go stateside, LaFlamme’s Bird.  What chance has a sky fairy got against that?

Leave the boy to find his own way to fana.

Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:02 | #

@GW

I find Schmitt quite an interesting if flawed thinker. I think he actually has penetrating things to say about liberalism, his body of work is complex and uneven but fascinating. It’s figuring out what’s recoverable and useful in that work and putting it in a wider context of post-liberal thought. In fact thinking about non-liberal political theory is what rekindled my interest in him, especially critiques of ‘international law’ such as those produced by Danilo Zolo. What Schmitt nails is the ‘a-political’ mythology of liberal legal theory. Law is political, deeply so – well more so than liberalism is willing to acknowledge.

I do have more in depth and detailed thoughts – I think Schmitt is both half-right and half-wrong but for quite interesting reasons - but as yet my views are not fully formed. I’ll send you something if anything comes from my deliberations.

I’ll have a look at those MR threads when time allows.

Oh and Ivan please don’t try MDMA but do remember we are stardust and we are golden and we have to get ourselves back to the garden…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn9hi9fAwUQ

Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:19 | #

Graham,

Thanks for reminding me of the Abbey Hoffman incident at Woodstock:

http://woodstock.wikia.com/wiki/The_Who

The Abbie Hoffman Incident [2] was an incident that happened during The Who’s set right after the song “Pinball Wizard”. Abbie Hoffman was able to get on stage and grab a microphone while Pete Townshend tuned his guitar. He said: “I think this is a pile of shit! While John Sinclair rots in prison…”. Hoffman was protesting against the imprisonment of John Sinclair (leader of the White Panther Party and manager of the left-wing hard-rock band MC5) who had been convicted and sentenced to nine years of prison because of marijuana possession. Townshend, angry that someone took the stage, yelled: “Fuck off! Fuck off my fucking stage!”, hit him with his guitar and sending him off stage again. Townshend then added: “I can dig it!”; And after the song “Do You Think It’s Alright?”: “The next fuckin’ person that walks across this stage is gonna get fuckin’ killed! [crowd cheers] You can laugh, I mean it!”[3]. A 16 second sound bite of the incident can be heard on The Who compilation set entitled Thirty Years of Maximum R&B (Disc 2, Track 20, “Abbie Hoffman Incident”).

Daniel is right about the white man as a hippie and the Jew.

Posted by Circassian on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:25 | #

..have some vodka and some top quality weed, Ivan - you need it.

Thank you daniel5 for your good advice.

I am shocked - shocked I tell you - that you would willingly expose young Ivan, an innocent Circassian mathematician and apologist for Moslem child-grooming, to the evils that cannabinnoids can do to his obviously strait-laced neurotransmitters (which are, of course, essential in adding-up and subtraction)

I certainly appreciate your sparkling British humour, Guessedworker, but I hold you to a higher standard than this [apologist for Moslem child-grooming] shtick implies. You know with 100% certainty that I am not, and possibly could not be a child-grooming apologist, no matter who the perpetrator might be - Muslim, Hindu, British, or Russian. You know that. It is impossible for somebody with your intelligence not to know that. Why would you then hurl in my direction such an accusation? Why would you go that low?

I am shocked - shocked I tell you.

Posted by Rocketman on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:28 | #

Ivan seriously dude drugs are bad m’kay…as proved by one William Shatner and this unfortunate event…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hARDXYz2io&

Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:44 | #

Ah old Bill Shatner and his ‘singing’ - he’s in the zone of he’s sooooooo bad he’s good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekMYBvhhMg0

Posted by Circassian on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:49 | #

Ivan I know you can’t answer a straight question about your views on crimes against children being a bad thing (or not as your silence implies) how about Sharia law? Are you for that?

My views on crimes against children being a bad thing: Crime against anyone is a bad thing, period. But group punishment against the innocents is even more so. I am for Sharia law in Sharia lands, and I am for Britia law for British lands. And I said so above (see comment #41), but you won’t listen but head.

Ah dinnae ken Ivan was a genius like, but he seems a little slow when it comes to British humour.

This is true to the extent that Graham_Lister is a Brit: I have to admit I am a little slow when it comes to Graham_Lister’s brand of humour. For example, the intricate and subtle interplay of wit and irony in the following nugget of Graham_Lister’s humour is way beyond my grasp:

Isn’t the problem with hippies their dirty feet mainly? Wouldn’t let them in house personally. That was a joke - I did have long hair in my youth.

It was certainly helpful that Graham_Lister informed us that it was indeed a joke.

Might we ask do Muslims have a sense of humour?

You might. There is no Sharia law against asking questions, and there is no Sharia law against having sense of humour. I even believe that Arabs do not object to their “unreasonable Khazar” brothers having a little fun at their expense.

Posted by Thorn on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:20 | #

I “highly” doubt Townsend had any idea that Abby Hoffman was a Jew , or knew anything about the controversy surrounding the John Sinclair arrest.

I think what happened there had a much simpler explanation.: Townsend was exercising a bit of provincial bravado. I.E. GET THE FUCK OFF MY STAGE!!!!

Remember, when it comes to guys like Townsend, especially in 1969, we’re not talking about race-realist, jew-wise, political scientists there.

Posted by Genet on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:49 | #

Circassian is Obama a Muslim?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV415yit7Zg

Posted by Circassian on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:38 | #

Circassian is Obama a Muslim?

Obama is not a religious man, period. And this Black minister in the video ranting about Obama has got it all wrong. Obama is not a Mack, a pimp, or even a player - he is a pure whore. And the Mack who brought the whore out of him is the same Mack who brought the whores out of all “leaders” of todays Western world - black and white, men and women - without a single exception. I hope you know who that Mack is, and how it operates.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:38 | #

It was a movement against inhumane demands made upon White men, and a motive to be, by contrast.

Meh.  More like a lot of self-indulgent, muddle-headed romanticism.

If a man must die so that his people might live then this is his ineluctable duty. 

one true draw back of the hippies is that they were inarticulate and non-intellectual. That had something to do with their very fundamental motive to organic being, which was cooperative, not competitive and high achievement oriented.

[...]

the likes of Herbert Marcuse, who were promoting “free love and polymorphous perversion” - promiscuous sex

The Jews knew they could bribe those Betas with pussy.  Apparently the trick worked with GW.  LOL

Incommensurate Agendas of Individuation and Gender Differentiation

The enforcement of traditional gender roles will unavoidably come at the price of self-indulgence (or “individuation” as you put it).

Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 06:49 | #

The enforcement of traditional gender roles will unavoidably come at the price of self-indulgence (or “individuation” as you put it).

That should read: “The enforcement of traditional gender roles will unavoidably translate to a lessened ability to engage in self-indulgence (or the realization of ‘individuation’ as you put it).”

Posted by daniel2 on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:55 | #

Captain Chaos,

I am not saying the hippies were sufficiently articulate. What I am saying is that they had a legitimate and authentic motive. It was an important motive, but unfortunately, because they were inarticulate they got distracted and beat by the Jews, by the disingenuous feminists and neo traditional women and of course, swamped by corporate interests, interests of the military industrial complex.

The times were such, during Viet Nam that there motive was so glaringly necessary, that it had to be allowed for some. But once the Viet Nam war was over - their motive was greeted with a big slap. Feminism and neo tradtional (read corporate) motives went into over drive…and the Jewish exploitation thereof..

The need for fundamental needs to be satisfied at least to some extent (deprivation of which is likely to contribute to the kind of over indulgence you note) does not mean a relinquishment of more ordinary responsibilities of Selfhood (the chastened routines of time-tested skill and craft that you seem to be invoking here), routines which are somewhat higher, nor the highest achievements associated with man - it merely recognizes that these basic needs are preliminary and necessary to ordinary and farther reaches; more, they must be circled back to for replenishing, periodically, if Selfhood and Actualization are to remain stable and healthy.

Nor does it mean that females should normally and for all time occupy top posts - and especially not without more rigorous challenges to their Being and Selfhood; nor absent an honest deal with White men for easing up more on basic levels of Being.

That Being for White males would require some contract for retaining monogamy and protection of the borders from out-groups

Thus Being, a verb, would not be entirely passive, but would require duty to defend the border - nevertheless, that would be an honor and self serving of being since it would be protecting one’s own, the White Class.

So Yes, Captain Chaos, even Being would have a duty about it, in maintaining the White class. But Selfhood, would comprise the virtue of duty even more so. I did not have time to go into the whole thing of how I’ve revised the hierarchy of motives to accommodate incommensurate gender agendas.

But you are quite right. Selfhood would be quite about sacred duty to the ancient skills, the guilds, the crafts, the routines that make our ordinary life, to make social life work properly and well. Routine and duty in this sense can be quite beautiful.

However, when they are demanded exclusively or deemed an unworthy objective (say, by a conceited woman, who wants millions instead of having sufficient appreciation for the ordinary in life), like insufficiently respected being, also a necessary building block to actualization, the farther reaches may be missing a building block, and cause the quest for achievement to go awry as it is demanded unreasonably, inhumanely.

Thorn,  yes, Townshend would have been inarticulate - as I have been saying - as to Abby Hoffmann the Jew and his motives, but the pattern was there. There was a difference between the Hippies and their motives and Abby Hoffmann, a Jew and his motives, representing White Panthers who were representing Black Panthers.

GW, I am glad you got something of a kick out of this. There was something cool about hippie chicks, their manner of dress, long hair - I hope you managed good times with a few back in 69, 70.

I have seen McLaughlin three times - like his playing very much. Lila’s Dance, Trilogy live in New York 73..etc. great stuff… also like Tull…Bouree, Song for Jeffrey, Mother goose, many an etc

And I’m glad you see a non trivial distinction between hippie motives and Jewish motives.

Speaking of hippie girls…I can picture some of those Circassian women being rather bohemian…quite hippy-ish. Lovely.

I wonder if Ivan is expressing implicit hippie-freak Whiteness in defense of these women?...Ivan’s inarticulate wish for being.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:10 | #

Daniel2 said   “I can picture some of those Circassian women being rather bohemian…quite hippy-ish. Lovely.” Don’t get your hopes up Daniel. It is widely believed that the female populace of ‘the independent mountain people’ of Circassia are the true source behind many of the unconfirmed yeti sightings we so often hear about.

Posted by daniel2 on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:07 | #

Sochi seems like an interesting city, if not too commercial now, especially with the upcoming Olypmics.

I was more tempted to visit there until I learned that it was going to hold them soon.

http://www.sochi-travel.info/articles/the-bikini-fest-sets-new-guinness-world-record-in-sochi/

Maybe those are Russian women in that photo..

let me try to find some Cirassians:

hmm I see that some are shocking, like Yeti indeed - like White women with gigantic Afros. I did not quite expect that…

But apparently others are at least fairly nice…must look further..

Perhaps Ivan can show us some examples of good looking Circassian women.

Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:08 | #

So no one is actually interested in furthering anti-Muslim business boycotts?

But haven’t the SNP long complained that Scotland has not been getting it’s ‘fair share’ of immigrants - England greedily snaffling up almost all of them - while campaigning for immigration to be ‘devolved’? It wouldn’t seem likely that they would move to expel their own vibrants on achieving independence. Dan Dare)

English drollery lives! LOL.

Good luck to Scottish independence! As a Californian I envy those who are still members of real nations.

Apropos of nothing, in my spare time, alone in restaurants in a still strange-to-me place, I’m reading one of Derek Raymond’s Factory novels, How the Dead Live. Underside of the Thatcher years (mind y’all, still a great woman - where do you think the UK would be if she had never climbed the greasy pole? probably just as multicultied, but much poorer, too). I’ve read a couple of his other noir novels, mostly centered in London, 60s-80s. Any of you Brits fans of his? You should be.

Lastly, any USA readers residents of Michigan? If so, please DO NOT VOTE FOR SANTORUM today!!! Please vote Romney. He isn’t great, but he is much better on race and immigration than the awful neocon Santorum.

Posted by daniel2 on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:19 | #

This one looks nice:

http://alsharkasi.livejournal.com/99590.html

Posted by daniel2 on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:26 | #

I don’t think a boycott is going to work, Leon Haller.

We have to get deeper, which is to say that we must organize who we are first.

Then we can find a way to drive them out.

I imagine a giant bulldozer….

Posted by Genet on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:07 | #

The decline of the Roman Empire comes to my mind.

More modern individuality; a women that is sexually attracted to the Eiffel tower and tattoo and body modification freaks. What is the world coming to?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waMcoLnaWOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFWYbMMPRI

No doubt such behaviors will be normalized asap.

Perhaps slouching towards Gomorrah is a better term.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:23 | #

Daniel2 @ 7.19 said   “This one looks nice”. She does look nice. A very attractive woman complete with what I guess is the striking national dress. I see she is also driving the traditional ‘Circassian Ferrari’. I believe I have just done the same quick internet trawl as you have Daniel. Your comment about white women with afro’s confirms this, lol. Circassian history is clearly a fascinating subject. This history seems to include a willingness to sell their daughters as sex slaves into Turkish harems. Ivan then, could have given much more insightful input into this thread, no?. Circs, Muslim parents selling their children to Muslim paedophiles?. I appreciate this was a long time ago but to be honest a 2012 Muslim males attitude towards women doesn’t seem much less screwed up or wierdly perverted. Can you enlighten me please.

Posted by daniel2 on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:24 | #

Well, I’d rather she marry the Eiffel tower than a negro…

..still, the kind of White flake that Negroes would try to contrast to their sickening groove..

...Tyra Banks is one ugly negro - some kind of symmetrical insect.

Tattoos, yeah, they are vulgar. I never understood why people would do them ...especially women who put that one over their buttocks. What are they thinking? Here it is! Announcing the special place! Do they seriously think that makes them more feminine? Talk about gilding the lily.

Posted by jamesUK on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:00 | #

@Graham_Lister

I would say that Britain needs its own Pastor Terry Jones but he is banned from entering the UK when he was invited by the EDL to come to Britain. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWD1R_ZbsLg

http://youtu.be/Yj2s-j_83PY

@Circassian

Were Circassians always Muslims?

How can you be against the NWO when you support Islam?

Do you support US backed Muslim states in the Balkans (Bosnia and Kosovo) Central Asian stans and Xijing(China)? 

Posted by Circassian on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:53 | #

let me try to find some Circassians:
hmm I see that some are shocking, like Yeti indeed - like White women with gigantic Afros. I did not quite expect that…

I have this nagging feeling that I’ve met this daniel II character once upon a time in one of my previous incarnations. What do the French call that feeling? Déjà Vu?

Welcome to the freak show:

Act I
Act II
Act III
Act IV
Act V
Act VI
Act VII

Disclaimer: Viewer discretion is advised. Not recomended for Britons of age 18 and under - viewing this show can damage their already fragile ethnic self esteem to the point of mental breakdown.

That’s what happened to a young and promising British boy who was dreaming, as all British boys do, of becoming the first British astronaut. This bright kid with cyber name Mr Murray and inspirational avatar of Keir Dullea in Space Suit, who had the misfortune of encountering Ivan the Circassian in the cyberspace, and who was unwise enough to engage the mountain Yeti, ended his life tragically in a mental institution.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:26 | #

A certain ‘I V A N’ character from the link given in ‘Act I’

I said it before, and I’ll say it again. By their human characteristics the Brits are the closest thing to what we call jews. It is no accident that Britain and jew-controlled America are the two staunchest allies of Israel.

Brits often times are even more vile than jews. The vilification of Germans during the WWII was enacted not by jews originally but by Brits with their propaganda ploys like soap made out of the fat of jewish bodies and lampshades made of their skin. Jews, later on, simply industrialized the Holocaust scam.

The fucking Brits always try to set people against each other: Germans against Russians, North Caucasus tribes against Russians, Whites against Muslims. They are the inventors and the masters of divide and conquer strategy, not the jews. They always try to get what they want by the hands of others.

I have a strong suspicion - one of the compelling reasons Stalin didn’t believe that Hitler would attack Russia was that Churchill has being trying very hard to convince him that Hitler indeed was about to break the peace treaty and attack in 1941. That strong was Stalin’s conviction that one can never, never trust a Brit.

Clearly, the most arrogant people on earth. You cannot trust them, they will always betray you. And they are just as cowardly as jews are.

P.S. It’s interesting to note that when I saw the name of this thread “Germans been killed by Soviets”, before checking which forum it belonged to, I set out to test my intuition. My intuition told me - it’s got to be forum “United Kingdom”. Sure enough, looked to the right of the screen, there it was: Forum “United Kingdom”.

What insight into history and culture from Ivan!

Ivan I didn’t know you also sing beautifully…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C70QRbawN8

Highly Illogical! After all only yesterday you were praising the qualities of the English gentleman?

Posted by Graham_Lister on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:59 | #

The Circassian; he’s simple, he’s dumb.

Let’s have a little bit of the very non-English ‘Big Yin’ on Islam…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xwPVgRaROA

No Islamic cartoons were used in the making of this post.

Posted by Circassian on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:26 | #

Graham_Lister,

Did you read the Disclaimer before you watched Act I: The show is not recomended for underage Britons! Now I am really worried about your mental condition.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by uKn_Leo on Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:46 | #

Circassian @ 2.53   Christ on a cracker Circs those threads are hilarious. If it’s any consolation I think you’re pretty damn cool. I’d share a bottle of vodka with you anytime. Twenty four hours ago i’d never even heard of Circassia. I thought you’d just made the place up and I think the young un’s in those threads were roughly the same. So you are at least having an impact on our shameful British ignorance.

Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:13 | #

Glad you’ve enjoyed the show brother.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:38 | #

Made it to the last section, going to it in 1 minute, top quality nuggets of information but Circs, my estimate for the age of those guys is pretty young. Mr Murray@21-24 years old max (and clearly a complete fukwit). Naughty Ivan, but you are probably the worlds best ever internet troll. Still not convinced by those Carcassian womens afros either though, damn my nigga.

Posted by Genet on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:38 | #

Well never let it be said that the comments threads of MR lack shameful ignorance, yes Ivan?

Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:32 | #

Yes Genet. Don’t worry, I’ll see to it.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:10 | #

Circs, those guys were dicks sure, but pissed off, angry and frustrated dicks. How do you think young Circassians were reacting when Circassia, their beloved home (home of the XXXL female afro), their friends and families, and their future was under imminent threat of annihilation. You mock them for cowardice Circs but you are under estimating the level of kindness and sense of justice in the average Briton (not to be confused with the average British leader). As a religious man i’d hope you would be quite impressed with the level of restraint and generosity the British have shown so far. After all, we have given shelter, as well as education and healthcare when needed to millions of people from around the globe. And we are continuing to do this even though we all know it’s to our own detriment. It’s this goodness in the British character that’s been brutally exploited by, well, you know who. Circs, I wouldn’t dare try and lecture to someone with your level of experience and knowledge. However, I don’t think you are 100% correct in some of your base assumptions/assessments/judgements. On a lighter note, have you got a humungous afro too?.

Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:59 | #

You mock them for cowardice Circs but you are under estimating the level of kindness and sense of justice in the average Briton (not to be confused with the average British leader)... Circs, I wouldn’t dare try and lecture to someone with your level of experience and knowledge. However, I don’t think you are 100% correct in some of your base assumptions/assessments/judgements.

Are you sure? Evidently, consumed with the excitement of the freak show, you’ve missed one of IVAN’s key comments in Act IV:

Well said, Bev. Of course, you won’t fail to realize that when I say Brits it applies to certain individuals only and not to the great nation of England. If I knew nothing about England except the fact that it produced “Pink Floyd”, it would be a good reason for me to regard it as one of the greatest nations ever existed.

It may sound ridiculous, but that’s the way I feel.

Every nation, every ethnic group has its share of not so bright people, but they do not determine my overall outlook on this or that nation. (IVAN)

Does that clear it for you, but head?

On a lighter note, have you got a humungous afro too?.

Would you stop please concluding your question-sentences with “?.” dammit - it is very annoying. On a lighter note, no I haven’t got a humungous afro - none of the Circassians have. Here is how my people and my land look like.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:02 | #

Why no? at the end of a question circs.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:03 | #

?.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:06 | #

It’s butt head, dumb ass.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:18 | #

My people and my land-you tube clip. Thanks It looks very nice, similar to south Devon where I am. Green rolling hills, woods, rivers. Less affected by the crazyness going on all around it. We are both lucky men C,. We both live in paradise. Yours is a paradise with really dodgy headwear, but paradise nonetheless. Goodnight learned elder of Circassia.

Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:29 | #

Thank you for correcting me, butt head. You seem a little upset though. It was a difficult and long day for you, I suppose. Still, take it easy dude.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by Silver on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 04:12 | #

(mind y’all, still a great woman - where do you think the UK would be if she had never climbed the greasy pole? probably just as multicultied, but much poorer, too).

Could even have been as poor as Sweden, lol.

Leon, I know you’re perplexed by people’s weariness to defer to your superior grasp of economic realities.  But with statements like the above what do you really expect?

Posted by Leon Haller on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:01 | #

Silver,

Though I’ve tried to point out a way towards a new nationalist political economics, in pure economic theory, I admit to having nothing original to contribute. There is no “Haller economics”. I offer pure Mises/Rothbard free enterprise theory. Disagree with me, and you’re disagreeing with them. Are you prepared to do so (and thereby reveal monumental ignorance)?

As to PM Thatcher, she was by so many light years the finest PM of the past half-century that it would be ridiculous even to entertain objection. For one thing, she was the only truly conservative one (incl Cameron, though Brits are lucky he’s the PM and not still the awful Brown). WRT the economy, she revived Britain. Are you completely ignorant of the economic as well as political economic condition of the UK by the late 70s? I recall a boarding school friend of mine from Britain, who during the early 80s repeatedly referred to how “piss-poor” Britain then was, esp compared to The States. Even the odious Ed Milliband now grudgingly accepts the value of many of her economic reforms.

You really need to study some of the materials provided by the Mises Institute. You can also pick up some of the economics oriented books published by the excellent Liberty Fund of Indianapolis. Start with the very simple Hazlitt, Economics in One Lesson, an admittedly boring and surprisingly repetitive book, but one which might inoculate you against further Keynesian idiocy.

Posted by daniel2 on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:42 | #

uKn asked Ivan, “On a lighter note, have you got a humungous afro too?”

Ivan responded:

“Would you stop please concluding your question-sentences with “?.” dammit - it is very annoying. On a lighter note, no I haven’t got a humungous afro - none of the Circassians have. Here is how my people and my land look like.”

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

It is an intriguing video. I enjoy and would like to encourage this sort of culture, the continuance of these people in their land with their ways.

However, uKn, it does not resolve the hideous afro issue.

If fact, the furry White head gear worn by the people in the video might be a form of reference to the afros of at least some of their kindsmen and forefathers.

Nevertheless, I am prepared to believe that most contemorary Circassians do not have afros.

Their homland overlapping with the infamous Kazharia, I have been interested in what corellaries there may be between Circassians and the alleged pejorative traits of the region.

My curiosity has moved beyond that now, to wondering how much of a borderline between White and non-White do they represent?... White people with Afros and all, it seems a fair question…

Are they aboriginal Whites indeed, first to shed aspects of Afrcan traits?

I mean, haplogroup J2 and G did seem to mutate in the area, and not in Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA)

So it could be a critical differentiating point.

But really what is emerging as the most interesting question for me is: if they are a border people, maybe even a primieval font of caucasian-White, what role do they play in maintaining Whiteness against non-Whites?

Their being more closely related to Blacks might make them more vigilent and defensive against them, not less.

I have noticed this among Italians to some extent. For the modicum of African admixture they have - 1-3%, they might be more vigilantly defensive against Blacks, not less.

Of course that fact would be a different angle than the Circassians one on prejudice. Nevertheless, there were significant mutations in Italy too - one such during the ice age apparently accounting for the type frequently seen in Provance and Corsica.

This antagonism that can occur among closer relations, was noted by E.O. Wilson. Thusm, the Jews and their neighbors are antagonistic; and their having something in common with Circassians, in fact, might explain Ivan’s temperment, his hyper vigilance of the Jews; very interestingly, perhaps an important role, ecologically speaking - one suffered for lack of by trying to be too pure in the dividing line of White.

...still, that afro does give me the willies.

Posted by daniel on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:36 | #

That was funny, Graham. Literally laughing out loud and hurting my sides..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xwPVgRaROA

While I’m not sure that I’d prefer a virgin to a whore, the point was wll taken. With the Vigins you Are likely to have to talk to Duran Duran fans (and exactly 52 of those such, ha!)  for eternity (guilty admission, I think Ordinary Man is a pretty good song)...then again, the whores are probably not great interlocutors either..

Whatever, that video was f-ing funny! And yes, f off to the religions heretofore! They had 2,000 years and blew it.

Posted by daniel on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:38 | #

...rather, I am not sure I’d prefer a whore to a virgin..but the point is well taken..

Posted by Graham_Lister on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:08 | #

Just to be fair - Billy Connolly on Catholicism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZw4I5qSOkY

and Christian Rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-WJO0YQLOs

and for balance Robin Williams on the Scots and golf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcnFbCCgTo4

Posted by Graham_Lister on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:21 | #

Rev. I.M. Jolly doing religion in the Scottish style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cpb8rqYFd8

And Sir Arthur Streen-Greebling doing it in an Anglo-Norwegian manner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGAHepMhbg

Nice anecdote about Hymenoptera from Sir Arthur.

Posted by daniel on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:40 | #

I suspected that you were the one that Giles had taken caling “floppy ears”, Ivan.

Rather than getting into a tit for tat, I might recommend a bit of modesty and respect (calling children whores, really - shame on you). I have seen some respect for native Whites in your posts so, you are capable. Still, a bit more modesty would do you some good, not to mention being a more appropriate and accurate assessment.

You are a thoroubred of what kind? Not of the breed all of us wish to emulate as sin qua non.

Nevertheless, I wish you and yours well.

I think it was a good question to you - to what extent Islam is linked to your people. It is a fairly new religion. Circassians are a people who pre-date Islam significantly. I can see Circassians garnering respect in a way that Islam never could, and certainly not among White nationalists.

Among the things unimpressive is your inability to transcend that religion.

Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:59 | #

I have come here to show you the beauty and nobility of life. I have come here to give you the will. I have come here with the Gospel of the Thoroughbred.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by daniel on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:11 | #

I should reverse my suggestion, Ivan the sine qua non Circassian:

You have had enough vodka and high quality weed.

Posted by Circassian on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:26 | #

Among the things unimpressive is your inability to transcend that religion.

The Gospel of the Thoroughbred transcends Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

You have had enough vodka and high quality weed.

That’s why Alexander Pushkin dubbed the tribe as “unreasonable Khazars” in his famous poem The Ballad of Oleg the Wise: If you stick to your religion Hymie will accuse you of your inability to transcend your religion, if you do transcend your religion he will call you a hippie. Not to mention Hymie, true to his nature, was the one who was pushing “vodka and high quality weed” on me to begin with.

Truly “unreasonable Khazars”: You can’t make these hippies happy!

I repeat for the infidel. I have come here to show you the beauty and nobility of life. I have come here to give you the will. I have come here with the Gospel of the Thoroughbred.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by Genet on Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:55 | #

Seems that the Circassian has a temper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglU0X-Vyrw

Now try not to pop your weasel too quickly upon watching the Euro lovelies on display as you shake hands with the unemployed.

Oh wait they might be a bit too mature for your cultural tastes?

Posted by uKn_Leo on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:22 | #

Circassia and the story of its history, culture and current status, is in fact quite incredible. It took an army of 250,000 Russians to ethnically cleanse them from their homeland. This event was the culmination of a 300 year war in the Caucassus region that cost the lives of 9 million Russians to 2 million Caucassians. The Carcassian diaspora reaches around the globe and maintains a strong link to its past. Aspects of this culture are about as alien to western Europeans as can be imagined. It doesn’t take long, looking at past threads, to realise how much Ivan has pissed everybody off. But I would strongly recommended all MRers to see beyond that and go look, in particular at some Carcassian based you tube clips. Ivan, I really wish your online style wasn’t so confrontational and insulting. You actively prevent some of the things you claim to promote, principally amongst these, an increased level of understanding between cultures, with your grating online persona. Everybody could learn something from Circassia’s history (especially western European youth) and the sacrifices of your forefathers. You could be doing some exeptionally positive work with the knowledge you have. However I suspect your ancestors are turning in their graves at some of your online shennanigans.

Posted by uKn_Leo on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 01:30 | #

“One should never confuse education, with intelligence”- Lionel Ritchie

Posted by Circassian on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 04:36 | #

I’m not sure you quite understand or appreciate what I am doing here, uKn_Leo. So let me try to explain it to you in the language of images I have specifically invented for this kind of stuff.

There are too many Jews shiting around at MR. So how do you deal with that? There are basically three ways:

(1) J Richards’ method. Wait for the Jew to produce the shit. Scoop that shit, put it in a plastic bag, and take it to the lab. Analyze it using the latest techniques of chemical analysis combined with superb logical analysis and prove in front of the Jews that this is indeed a shit. Then ask the Jew nicely to stop shiting around. It does not work: the Jew produces another shit and wipes his ass with the paper holding the report of the chemical analysis of his previous shit. This is very inefficient method, not to mention the unpleasant side effect it has: when you rummage in a shit it stinks even more. The only benefit of using J Richards’ method is that some bright bystander, watching this circle repeated again and again, might be able to ultimately figure out who is the shiter, and who is the janitor.

(2) Ivan’s method. When Ivan sees a Jew shiting, he wipes Jew’s butt with a sandpaper and corks up his ass in a hope that he won’t shit again. This method is much better than J Richards for it stops cold some Jews from shiting again. But it is not 100% proof: some Jews are so vile that when they are prevented from shiting via their asses, the shit starts coming out from all other wholes of their bodies.

(3) Stalin’s method: No Jew - no shit. Personally I do not advocate this method. Besides, we are not there yet.

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Posted by uKn_Leo on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:52 | #

Thanks Circassian. All much clearer now. I will shortly be resuming my MR lurking career. I cannot add anything of note to the meta-political debate here. I don’t even know what you guys are banging on about half the time and this leaves me pretty vulnerable to the MR vampires you mention. One finds that when one tries to post what one thinks is an insightful and witty comment into a site where everybody else already knows absolutely everything about absolutely everything one only succeeds in making oneself look like a bit of a knob. Not that it hasn’t been a pleasure. All the best to you and your beautiful kinsman Circassian.

Posted by PM on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:03 | #

It’s a shame this important topic has been dragged off course.

It is not very often white English people riot explicitly as white English people; actually turning their attention on another ethnic group in this way. Surely this deserves more comment? Isn’t it also significant that they attacked a policeman? I was watching a programme about the EDL the other night, and it struck me that the crowds at their gatherings were well aware that the police and establishment were against them. This is a real sea-change in public perception that has taken place. Ordinary people now understand that the police and the State are not on their side, and are indeed ‘out to get them’ and their people. If you had said this thirty years ago I think you would have been seen as paranoid. Yet it seemed the settled wisdom of crowds of EDL supporters, and perhaps these youths in Heywood sensed the same thing.

I was trying to think of other times white riots such as this have happened in England. I seem to remember stories of there being white race riots in Nottingham in the late fifties, but in my own lifetime (seventies onwards) I can think of nothing. Anyone else think of any?

Posted by daniel on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:00 | #

osted by Circassian on February 29, 2012, 01:26 PM | #

Ivan: Ignis vitalis aestimo nobilitatem

Ivan, you suffer from a malady called “grandiosity”

I don’t take to heart the words of a partial negro like Pushkin, nor the Jews…

Yours? Well, you’ve yet to demonstrate sanity and civility, let alone nobility

Posted by daniel on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:22 | #

Posted by PM on March 01, 2012, 09:03 AM | #

It’s a shame this important topic has been dragged off course.

PM you are right. Sorry about that.

Posted by Silver on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:26 | #

Leon,

Though I’ve tried to point out a way towards a new nationalist political economics, in pure economic theory, I admit to having nothing original to contribute. There is no “Haller economics”. I offer pure Mises/Rothbard free enterprise theory. Disagree with me, and you’re disagreeing with them. Are you prepared to do so (and thereby reveal monumental ignorance)?

I’m not taking you to task for lack of originality.  It’s your silly griping that is tiresome.  The claim that Britain would have been much poorer were it not for Thatcher is, frankly, preposterous.  Not even communist countries during their storied tribulations of the 1980s managed to grow poorer (not until the transition to markets in the 90s)—they simply ceased to grow any richer.  So we’ll assume you didn’t mean Britain today would be poorer than it was at an earlier point in time; we’ll assume you meant that Britain would have been less wealthy than it turned out to be—much less wealthy.  Well now, most of the western/developed world eventually got around to implementing “Thatcherite” reforms, but some countries did so less rapidly/drastically: how much poorer than Britain are they?  Some, as a matter of cold hard fact, are not poorer at all.  France has tried harder than most to retain some elements of “socialism,” yet how much poorer is France?  (Answer: only a little.)  The “Nordic model,” pronounced dead by some during the 90s, has proven remarkably resilient—so much so that, by most measures, the difference in wealth between Sweden and Britain is greater than the difference in wealth between Britain and France. 

As to PM Thatcher, she was by so many light years the finest PM of the past half-century that it would be ridiculous even to entertain objection.

Mostly symbolic, really (Falklands, standing up to the unions).  I think your hatred of the left clouds your judgment sometimes.  On the issues you care about most—race and culture—her impact was wholly negligible.

WRT the economy, she revived Britain. Are you completely ignorant of the economic as well as political economic condition of the UK by the late 70s?

I think politicians in general get far too much credit (and too much blame) for what occurs economically on their watch, especially so in Thatcher’s case.  Leon, knowing what you know of intelligence, heredity, and economic outcomes, do you really suppose that policy wonkery makes as much difference as is commonly assumed, or is there more likely to be a whole other set of factors that economists remain as willfully blind to as social scientists of every other variety?  Please note: I’m not suggesting that wonkery makes no difference at all; I’m questioning whether it makes as much difference as it is assumed to.  I mean, look.  From 1950 to 1980 you’ve got eastern european communists averaging annual per capita growth of over 4%—only a percentage point lower than southern european “catch up” market economies like Italy, Greece and Ireland.  Again, that’s communists.  That suggests to me that it’s policy “basics”—namely, the existence of the market mechanism—that is the most important factor, not how “free” the market is, or what the tax rate is, or how much welfare the state doles out.  I’m sure those things matter to some degree, but not the all-encompassing degree that is so often assumed.

I recall a boarding school friend of mine from Britain, who during the early 80s repeatedly referred to how “piss-poor” Britain then was, esp compared to The States.

Britain was certainly poorer than American in 1980 (still is), but people typically exaggerate the differences they notice when visiting other countries.  That’s why I prefer statistics to impressions.

You really need to study some of the materials provided by the Mises Institute. You can also pick up some of the economics oriented books published by the excellent Liberty Fund of Indianapolis. Start with the very simple Hazlitt, Economics in One Lesson, an admittedly boring and surprisingly repetitive book, but one which might inoculate you against further Keynesian idiocy.

I have a copy of Hazlitt. (Test me if you like, I’ll quote from it.)  Nothing I’ve read of libertarians/austrians/monetarists has convinced me that Keynesianism is “idiocy.”

Posted by uKn_Leo on Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:40 | #

PM @ 9.03   Am in 100% agreement with you PM and I would go further. I detect the change in attitude you mention across the board. Last summers riots/the Asians raping white children trials/annoucements by government ministers that multiculturalism has failed amongst a host of recent events, are all game changers. Now, when even the most extreme yoghurt knitting, poe faced, tree fanoodling leftist pinko twat isn’t even safe to walk to his local corner shop without the threat of mugging/stabbing/gang rape, by a mob of hooded black panthers, many of them are seeing the error of their ways (evidence-a recent swing to the right in comments sections of even media outlets like the guardian). The time for debate draws to a close. The time for concrete action is at hand. Coclusions are needed. Those that know the way, need to show the way. What are the workable superior alternatives to fiat money, usery, uncontrolled immigration, emigrations, the EU, defence, Monarchy, elitism, Freemasonry, Zionism, a just, fair, transparent political, economic and legal system. The fertile ground is prepared, and ready for the seeds, so get dropping all you eggheads!.