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Cosmic ants and a few fragmentary thoughts in answer to maguire In the thread to the recent JW post on immigration and the GOP, I rashly asserted that, “My belief is that for the next couple of decades a genuine Conservatism is absolutely capable of providing a serviceable vehicle for a survivalist ethos, informed by European sociobiological needs and leavened by a light touch in the areas of personal and economic freedom.” Even more rashly, I then invited all-comers to attack this assertion. The invitation was accepted by the sturdy maguire who demanded, “a serviceable definition of this at this point in history.” As luck would have it, I am too intellectually challenged to do serviceable. But here’s an unserviceable one for all sufferers of insomnia.
There is nothing new in this statement, extraordinary and disconcerting though it might at first seem to the conventional mind. The long journey out of thinking that our persecutor is “the left” or “the state” - or, indeed, “Islam” or “immigration” - undoes all faith in electoral solutions and inevitably lead to this conclusion. It is the putting away of causal simplicities and the beginning of political adulthood, of thinking in terms of scale. At the same time, the purposive side of the equation - the “Great Question” of what we are to do - simplifies and tends in one of two broad directions, either:- a) A collective spiritual renewal centred on a sacralisation of the folk, or b) a materialist approach serving the birthright of our sons and daughters. It would be fair to say that the Revolutionary Conservatives or Traditionalists and the philosophers of the European New Right are grouped in the first category, and with them the Fascists and National Socialists of 20th Century Europe – notwithstanding the Nazis’ somewhat self-justifying ventures into racial science. It would be entirely fair to say that present-day European political nationalism and American White Nationalism are grouped in the second category, albeit sometimes with longing sideways glances at the Speeresque glories of Nuremberg. Of course, a cynical observer might conclude that the first group deals in ideas without too many facts, and the second in facts without any ideas. I am a such a cynic, but also a member of the second group. As such, for me the Great Materialist Question is: how can the gold standard of our children’s birthright be restored to its place at the centre of our collective life? Back comes the revolutionary answer, totally unambiguous: only by dissolving and washing away the corrupted liberalism, the universalism, internationalism, Jewish ethnocentric aggression and naked elitist power-mongering that are the authors of our fate. At this point, of course, the scale of the challenge rises out of the mists like the most precipitous and brooding Alpine peak, upon whose glassy cliff-faces our purchase is perilous. Or worse. It spites the obvious, then, to say that as a political contest this is a mismatch. So what are we to do, powerless, maligned and marginalised as we are? The only thing we can do, of course, since retreat back into twilight, to abandoning our children’s birthright, is not an option:- We develop an appropriate strategy. We materialists are not without strengths that the placemen and priesthood of liberalism don’t possess. It is difficult to say which is the greatest of these. For one is Truth, another Nature and the third Justice. A man who is in possession of the truth and who speaks justly to his brother’s nature, to common loves and loyalties, is not without strength. Somewhere in the privacy of his own heart he might even fancy that nothing, no worldly authority, can withstand such primal power indefinitely. And he might be right. At least, this is the basis of my faith, if that’s what it is, that for now it is enough to speak. And here, of course, I mean “discourse” of a type calculated to attract the attention of intellectuals - not the sort of knockabout stuff required to motivate an army of activists. Not that I decry populism and activism, and not that it isn’t time for them. Far from it. Popularising practical means by which our people can live in their own skins and recover some racial autonomy - even wriggle out a little from under the machinery of state - is essential and an unalloyed good. Were such methods to wind up hitting tax receipts and electoral legitimation, that would be even better. But the Men of the West are not going to take down their rifles from the hook behind the farmstead door and march, hearts filled with righteousness, up the steps of the Capital Building. Their struggle is local and immediate to each individual. Even in the aggregate it does not amount to anything like a philosophically literate reply to liberalism. In this respect, the highest to which activism can ever aspire is to be part of some wider, distinct political philosophy – actually an expression of that philosophy. And that is the way forward. That is the way to replace traitorous government and the bestial system of political, cultural, business and financial elites which it serves. The Beast itself is a symbiosis of power and ideas. The lower parts of its body, the musculature and bone of its legs and feet, are composed of earnest little believers in the nostrums of economic and egalitarian liberalism. In their tens and hundreds of thousands they struggle and squirm in their chosen directions, sometimes cancelling out one another’s efforts. The upper portions of the body are quite free of such boorish concern. No arguments for Gay Rights, no encouragements to snout-in-the-trough capitalism circulate among its golden paternalists and superannuated geopoliticians without, somewhere, a superior smile, a dismissive wave affirming the order of things. For these are the addicts and dealers in the purest grades of power, and no drug is more prized there. The higher one raises up oneself to observe the Beast, the more raw and uncut with ideology is the power one encounters. One need not raise oneself to especially dizzy heights for that, by the way:-
And he’s only a civil servant high on Actonite. But he’s talking in the Beast’s native tongue. Further up – near, say, the cerebellum – the view seems to be not of “people”at all, even little ones, but of distant, scurrying worker ants. But ... these are ants with a cosmic purpose. Every four or five years they are needed to vote. And in any structure where power is, nominally at least, legitimised by democratic consent rather than naked force, they are not possible to entirely ignore. They have to be humoured, cultivated, kept sedated with shiny gewgaws and deep in debt. Among them are ants of good, even high intellect whom, for one reason or another, the system did not see fit to co-opt. Some, it’s true, just couldn’t be co-opted at all. A matter of constitution The beautiful, ironic thing is that the rigid system of political interpretation and information control out of which consent is manufactured drives more and more of these six-legged creatures into dissidence everyday. The best and most independent-minded, most original thinkers do not desire to have their opinions prescribed for them by a self-interested Establishment. Much less do they desire their sensibilities to be prescribed by a vile, anti-racist commissariat. They are perfectly capable of finding in the moral boo-words the need to construct a simplified rhetoric to evade complex discussion. They are perfectly capable of finding in the political trials and imprisonments a need to repress and terrorise those who, nonetheless, insist on complexity. They are perfectly entitled to follow Kant’s definition of Enlightenment as freedom “from self-incurred tutelage” and the goal of any modern society as the educated mind. And in that we can be of some assistance. These dissidents, be they present or future, are our highest-value audience. Here we stand, equipped with our three argumentational virtues: Truth, Nature and Justice. We have to communicate them in the hope that we will be heard by as many good men as possible. As I noted earlier, there are really only two philosophical models that we can speak about, each of them revolutionary in action. One begins in the quest for the spiritual race. But it ends in binding the people firmly to the mast of ethnic interest, for which purpose the supremacy of party or state over the individual serves. During his early involvement with the party he would lead, Adolf Hitler sought to rename it the Social Revolutionary Party. It was an apt if unexciting name. All revolutions require crisis, and Germany had crisis in abundance - ethnic, political, social and economic. Crisis legitimates, necessitates, precipitates. All the emergency provisions, radical transformations and, usually, stern legal sanctions against members of the former regime which typify sudden and absolute political change are justified by crisis. Thus, after the Reichstag fire in 1933 the Nazis succeeded to government and embarked with formidable decisiveness upon the legislative process of Gleichschaltung. By summer 1934 one as good as lived or died by the will of the Party. Now, the debate as to whether the “German Heavy Model”, as Alex Linder has called it, can be applied in some form in the 21st Century liberal West is legitimate. The crisis is here and now, and deepening every day. Even a National Socialism in its militarised, bouncing-into-Vienna, Final-Solution form is preferable to me than the loss of Europeans from Western Europe. If those were the only two options I would leap into the fray with a will, with all the consequences that might entail. But they are not, and the recoil from 1945 is such that the crisis will need to be very extreme and civil war probably inevitable before the German Heavy Model could be brought back to the centre of political life. I prefer to try to look for a kinder and more bearable future for our children. So we come to the only alternative: one or other variation on the “Light English Model”, materialist in its view of Man and race, practical and anti-ideological in its political application, but still revolutionary. The “light” in the English Model consists in a rare tolerance of the individual. But this is not the unfettered will deifed in the religion of liberalism, and not the atomised, purely self-interested actor of the “Conservative right” (which is also liberalism). No, the implicit understanding is that Man, if left free to pursue his own interests, will devotedly pursue his ethnic genetic interests. He does not need to be “educated” as to what they are or how to do it. He is the best judge of that already, as a fish is the best judge of how to swim and a bird to fly. To reconnect with his ethnic genetic interests he only needs the blinding light of liberalism to be switched OFF. In that event also, he would quickly prove able to protect all the secondary interests he holds in common with his people: their territory, traditions, culture. The normal, healthy bonds of life that satisfied his forefathers would delight and satisfy him also. Human beings are cast from that mold, and the mold does not decay. For all its power and longevity and all the damage to organic society it has wrought, liberalism has not changed European Man so much that the only thing he can do is to destroy his own life and loves. He is like a compass needle beside which a magnet was once placed (by whom is not the subject of this essay). Take it away and he will re-centre himself on his ethnic genetic interests with the same certainty that the needle, freed of local distortion, returns faithfully to magnetic north. It may take some time. But it will be. It should be obvious from the above that the individualism of the Light English Model is oriented towards the collective. Ethnic genetic interests are collective. Accordingly, it is necessary to understand the Model as every bit as much a social movement as any other. The collective ties are Nature’s binding. No National Socialist hands bind Man to the mast here. There is no need for the militarisation of society, no need for the mythification of a golden age, no need for torchlight, no need for a confected aryan “honour” nor lives of “glory”. The spiritual race is only an idea, an invention - exciting perhaps, inspiring even. But it does not exist in the material sense. Ethnic genetic interests do. They will express themselves, given the clearing away of any obstructions. And that’s what the Light English Model does. As you may have guessed, it has another name that seems to offend nationalist sensibilities in America:-
Names don’t really matter. Nature matters, and Truth and Justice ... and any cosmic ants that happen across this, even for me, odd little article. I wonder what maguire will think. Comments:99002
Posted by danielj on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:41 | # Regarding the Duke Case and Judicial Inc.: I guess the question is whether or not one should believe the source… A bunch of angro Afros with axes to grind… The way the paint the stripper/hooker in this story is as a downright “angel” whilst including the “fact” that black leaders and the stripper all turned down considerable sums of money because they were more concerned with “justice” So, the issue isn’t whether or not he (Mr. Judicial) has sources because he certainly does, but which sources to believe. Just be skeptical of everyone. 99003
Posted by jlh on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:46 | # Scimitar writes: “Meanwhile, in the North, whites in New England and the Midwest spent the late nineteenth century repealing their anti-miscegenation laws and outlawing segregation in education, housing, and employment. By 1900, this task had largely been completed; around the same time Jews from Eastern and Southern Europe began arriving in the North in significant numbers.” How does your claim that the work of desegregating and de-Jim Crowifying Northern cities was accomplished by 1900 square with this account of the riots in Rochester in 1964, which I lived through? While readers here may disagree with the point of view of the following link, we can discern that something very remote from desegregation was going on. The facts are that regardless of laws passed, the situation on the ground was that blacks were confined to ghettoes, and most whites liked it that way, even if they gave lip service to liberal ideals. 99004
Posted by J Richards on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:51 | # Ben Tillman, So you are telling me that the allegation of the 2 million offer is a complete fabrication? How do you know? Once again, I have faulted JI for not portraying the issue as a possibility but presenting it as fact, but if Jews are involved, an otherwise-wild possibility could very well be true. If I had to bet my money, I’d go with the mainstream conclusion, but cannot discount JI’s stance without better knowledge of the case. 99005
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:58 | # “War is war- there are no rules in such a circumstance.” Typical Anglo hypocrisy on display. I would have more sympathy for this position if we didn’t have to endure the spectacle of the Nuremberg kangaroo trials at the end of W.W. II. “Reduced to an individual level, your implied argument would look like this: Jorg punches John in the face. John responds by smashing Jorg’s head in with a wrench. Jorg says “Why did you smash my head in - I only punched you in the face?” Wrong again. The proportionality principle in warfare dates back to at least Saint Thomas Aquinas. http://www.iep.utm.edu/j/justwar.htm I’ll let others judge your utterly vicious stance. 99006
Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:16 | # J. Richards, I didn’t imply that Judicial Index is 100% right, but that if Linder wanted to get more people wake up to Zionist malfeasance, then he would be best advised to come up with something like Judicial Index (JI) or “I am the witness” site. Obviously, they’ve convinced you. But I don’t think these sites are convincing to people whose critical thinking skills are intact.
I have no problem with people who speculate about possible “Zionist” conspiracies, if that’s where the evidence points. In this case, the real explanation is likely the simpler one: Jefferson did what he is accused of. Likewise, New Orleans blacks are not especially intelligent, and people should not be accused of being Jews for noticing this. In general, people should not be called Jews or “Zionist agents” for failing to get on board with goofy conspiracy theories backed by flimsy, non-existent, or made-up evidence.
Yea, it’s just so easy to mistake Barbra Streisand and Gene Wilder for Europeans. Ashkenazi Jews as a group can be distinguished from whites as a group, but there is overlap between the groups. Yes, and most of the overlap is between jewier-looking whites and whiter-looking Jews. I have never met an Ashkenazi, or even a half-Ashkenazi, who looks like Colin Finnerty or Bill White.
Just because someone writes something on the internet doesn’t make it true. No reputable historical or genealogical source links the family of Jennie Jerome to Jews or to the name Jacobson. It’s up to you and judicial-inc to prove a Jewish link if you think one exists. Copying-and-pasting internet commentary does not suffice.
Hahaha. What evidence? Her parents are involved in real estate, and we all know only Jews can do real estate? That sounds like something that would come from the mind of a Jew. (On another page, judicial-inc claims 95% of Chicago futures traders are Jews.) She was friends with the daughter of “Jew” Robert Kardashian? (Kardashian is Armenian, obviously. Yes, we should be getting all our information on “Zionists” from someone who doesn’t know the difference between a Jew and an Armenian.) Please learn to think. Reade Seligmann/Nifong/Duke rape case: Photoshopping of Seligmann’s nose is not obvious. I didn’t mention the nose, specifically. But, since you noticed it, apparently it is obvious. I’m not sure what to say to the rest or your response on this issue. The fact that you’ve brought up judicial-inc’s repeating an unbelievable claim by the false accuser’s cousin to support your case leaves me speechless. I encourage anyone who wants to know the facts about the Duke lacrosse case to read Durham-in-Wonderland. You can read all about Jakki and Cash Michaels. Also, read the Attorney General’s report. Then decide if you’d rather side with demonstrably innocent white kids who were smeared in the press, or with goofy negro and “anti-zionist” conspiracy theories.
Oh shit, I’ve been made. I did not endorse either of the sites I linked to. As I’ve said repeatedly, I’d rather stay away from the Christian/“Patriot”/“anti-Zionist”/conspiracy theory types all together.
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Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:07 | # Should “I am the witness” site’s (IAW) credibility be questioned because it links to JI? Does linking to a site imply endorsing all of the linked site’s contents? If one credulously links to a page that contains incredible claims, one’s credibility is called into question. And, yes, this extends to you. I will read anything you write more skeptically from now on, and carefully check any sources before accepting anything you write. 99008
Posted by ben tillman on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:34 | # So you are telling me that the allegation of the 2 million offer is a complete fabrication? How do you know? Like most things, this is hearsay to both of us. I might point to the lack of credibility of the sources. Cash Michaels is a race hustler with no credibility whatsoever. His source, Cousin Jakki, is discredited by the inclusion in her account of details that we know to be false, such as her claims of bruising to the stripper. But more importantly, we know this to be false in the same way that we knew the falsity of the neocons’ insinuations that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11: the allegations make no sense in the context of other things we know about the world. I could write much more here, but I’ll just make a couple wuick points. If the lacrosse players were Jewish, money would hardly be necessary to make the story go away. A couple phone calls from Ol’ Abe at the ADL would have calmed the press down. And, perhaps most obviously, if such an offer had been made, it would have been accepted. 99009
Posted by ben tillman on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:37 | # “War is war- there are no rules in such a circumstance….” Not necessarily. “I would have more sympathy for this position if we didn’t have to endure the spectacle of the Nuremberg kangaroo trials at the end of W.W. II.” Touché. 99010
Posted by J Richards on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:44 | # Reader,
The only thing that I am convinced about is that something along the lines of JI is needed but with more scholarly merit. William Jefferson - Totally irrelevant/meaningless statement:
Straw man:
Even JI wouldn’t call you the above, let alone me for not buying JI’s hypothesis about the Katrina-levee destruction (which I don’t endorse by the way, but would not rule out). Jewish looks - I have known at least six Jews/part-Jewish individuals who are physically passable as Nordic white. Churchill -
Apparently, it suffices that we take your unreferenced comment at face value. I am not a historian and will not be looking up Churchill’s genealogy. JI has made its case; all you have done is mocked it. Paris Hilton - Straw man:
Apart from your absurd portrayal of the points above, JI mentioned other issues such as the Jewish Zsa Zsa Gabor gandma, her attending an exclusive school catering to ultra rich individuals of Jewish heritage, etc. Duke case -
What is obvious is that the person does not have a straight nose; it is not obvious that the hooked nose is due to photoshopping.
I am not buying this claim, but will not rule it out. ————————————-
I never implied that you endorse the sites, but you obviously endorse the core argument of the PC-Apostate article since you linked to it, pasted an excerpt and did not provide any qualifying statements expressing your reservations about its content. Anyone who has sufficiently read/listened to Smith-Hufschmid-Bollyn will know right away that the PC-Apostate article is patent nonsense, obviously intended as smear and there is little doubt which quarters it is coming from. The only site that I do some webmastering at is this site, not any “feminine beauty” site.
MR then has zero credibility from your perspective. Just take a look at the links section (left column).
Why even bother reading it? ——————————— Ben Tillman, The Duke case was all over the news before the ADL could have stopped it if it had wanted to. Besides, in the very remote scenario that the accuser’s story is true, she could have rejected the 2 million offer for justice. 99011
Posted by Re: "a reader and J Richards" on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:51 | # What is needed is for an organization (like National Policy Institute) of trained academics to fact-check, reference-check, or properly source the good material out there on Jews and Zionism, and perhaps websites and ancestry of webmasters as well (e.g. JI). (The material thus is vouched for, unlike now where I must run to the libraries and databases to check the sources myself for otherwise I would not believe my eyes at the massive ongoing deception.) This is costly but not difficult. 99012
Posted by ben tillman on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:14 | # The Duke case was all over the news before the ADL could have stopped it if it had wanted to. Besides, in the very remote scenario that the accuser’s story is true, she could have rejected the 2 million offer for justice. There is no “accuser’s story”. There is a series of stories that necessarily refute one another. And look at your first sentence: “The Duke case was all over the news before the ADL could have stopped it if it had wanted to.”—But if the ADL’s efforts would have been too late, how could $2 million unring the same bell? The argument makes no sense. 99013
Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:39 | # J. Richards, Totally irrelevant/meaningless statement The “evidence” that Bill White is a “fake nazi” and self-hating Jew that you apparently found convincing includes:
Mocking is more than it deserves. I shouldn’t need to respond to it at all. You are welcome to remain ignorant. Everyone else is welcome to do their own research.
The claims are absurd. Zsa Zsa is not a blood relative of Hilton’s, and not even judicial-inc claims she is. Pay attention. Associating with Jews does not prove one is a Jew. Attending a school founded by a Jew does not prove one is a Jew. Having Norwegian, German, and Irish ancestry does not prove one is a Jew. I never implied that you endorse the sites, but you obviously endorse the core argument of the PC-Apostate article since you linked to it No, that’s not obvious. I posted the links mainly to demonstrate I’m not the first person to have found Smith lacking in credibility. I find it doubtful any of these “patriot”/“anti-zionist” radio hosts are actually backed by “Zionists”. More likely, they’re just fighting over advertising dollars and donations from the gullible.
That’s strange, because your writing style and subject matter are eerily similar. I’m particularly surprised you seem to be implying you’ve never even heard of the site. But, whatever. The webmaster of feminine beauty claims to be nonwhite.
Does not follow. You’re not the only poster here.
Good question. When you stuck to discussing scientific papers, you seemed to have a pretty good grasp of your subject matter. But in your future posts, I may just skip to the references. 99014
Posted by a Finn on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:25 | # About small ethnic nationalist communities: Here is sometimes an odd tendency to presume total separation of strategies, like the separation of small communities from the large scale democratic etc. political influence. This is not the case. Small communities participate seamlessly and more efficiently in the large scale politics than individual ethnic nationalists or members of an WN group. If there is a, say, 300 member small community, that lives and works in close proximity, know and trust each other, consider each other to be like kin, then think how efficient it is to coordinate and motivate these people to participating in large scale politics, e.g. resisting immigration. And think how easy it is to coordinate the efforts of all these small communities in large scale politics. 99015
Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:35 | # What is obvious is that the person does not have a straight nose; it is not obvious that the hooked nose is due to photoshopping. Non-doctored photos of Reade Seligmann: Does that look like a hooked nose to you? Better yet, I found the original that judicial-inc photoshopped: How do you justify this, Richards? 99016
Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:43 | # Judicial-inc also includes a doctored version of another photo of Reade Seligmann toward the bottom of the page. 99017
Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:02 | # J. Richards, How does doctoring photos of Reade Selgimann assist in fighting Zionism? Do actions like that suggest to you that perhaps the proprietor of judicial-inc is less than sincere in his motives? How does putting out implausible stories that even you claim you “don’t buy” aid the “anti-Zionist” cause? If these stories were actually damaging to Jewish interests, that might be one thing. They’re not. All they do is divert attention from real issues. 99018
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:58 | # Alex Linder should go through Hitler’s speeches. It’s a mistake to think that during “the years of struggle” Hitler placed the Jews at the centre of his universe. Had he done so, he would’ve remained a marginal candidate and nothing more. You don’t win broad political support by being a “one-issue” pol. He was far from being monomanical and he always tailored his speeches to his audiences needs and concerns. The Jewish Problem doesn’t even come up that often; he’s more concerned with the consequences Versailles Diktat and the economic and social situation than with anything else. Had he been ranting and raving about Jews at every opportunity his appeal would’ve been limited to the neurotics. 99019
Posted by Re: "a reader" and J Richards on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:26 | # Hitler had a complete social program for Germany. The Nuremberg Laws and ridding the nation of traitorous Jews through Palestine emigration were just two simple policies. The real genius of his program lay in less understood areas. (Linder is correct in stating that 1930s German-style National Socialism surpassed “Conservatism” in sophistication, and not vice versa. One gets the impression that GW equates national socialism with spiffily-uniformed Nazis and not more.) 99020
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:31 | # More on these fine gentlemen: I HAVE read today your article on the bashing of FM Erhard Milch of the Luftwaffe by a British brigadier that you identify as Brig. Derek Mills-Roberts, DSO, of the Commandos, and I found it abominable that a British general officer would stoop to such outrageously base and cowardly malicious conduct against a captured officer. However, for all my disgust, I am not really surprised that a high-ranking British army officer (or a British soldier, sailor, or airman of any rank, for that matter) should vent his spleen on an invalided German officer. The British are simply that kind of people. I have always maintained that the British in war (or peace if you include instances of football hooliganism) are a particularly vindictive, hateful, and nastily chauvinistic lot motivated less by a sense of professional duty or conviction (unlike the Germans) than by a spiteful hatred and deep malice. The Germans were generally better soldiers, man for man, than their enemies and in the case of the British, the Germans were to be punished and made to pay for having committed the worst of all crimes against the British nation: being the moral, physical, and tactical superior to the British soldier in battle and for having the temerity to inflict physical defeat at both a tactical level and strategic level on the British army. The absolute malicious and murderous intent against German civilians (noncombatants) behind the area-bombing campaign prosecuted by the aptly nicknamed “Butcher” Harris, the persistent unlawful killing of German prisoners of war in the field (especially by members of such units as the Parachute Regiment and the Commandos, be they from the Army, Navy, or Royal Marines), the atrocities committed against German civilians (noncombatants once again) in the invasion of western Germany by members of Montgomery’s 21st Army Group, including the strafing by aircraft of the 2nd Tactical Air Force of German refugee columns composed almost entirely of civilians, mostly women and children (those damned noncombatants yet again), and the list goes on. It is clear to this reader of military history that during the Second World War, the British were not an honourable enemy in fighting against the Germans. Indeed, Britannia’s sons were far too often far less honourable than their more detached and professionally-motivated European enemy, the Germans. It is clear to me at least that German soldiers in the field frequently behaved far more decently and honourably towards defeated enemies than the British ever would. And yet the Germans are slandered and libelled to this day as the villains of the piece, as “war criminals”, and a host of other morally-offensive terms cast in their face when in fact they were frequently the moral superiors to so many of their enemies, east or west, including, it seems, a British brigadier. Victis vae is sadly a fact of life for Germany and the German nation. I am pleased, Mr Irving, for the contributions you have made in your books in trying to set the record straight and to redress this appalling and massive imbalance of opinion against the German people which is based on nothing more than the propaganda of yesteryear, the distortion of historical events by vested interests, and both the overt and covert falsification of history by those same interests. It is certainly my hope that one day the full truth concerning the Second World War will be known and that it gains the widest possible currency. The truth deserves nothing less. 99021
Posted by danielj on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:47 | # We are soooo off topic it doesn’t matter. So, here we go just for fun:
Tell that to the Askenazi 99022
Posted by Joe on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:55 | # Scimatar, remember that most white people alive in what was the “North” during the Civil War period are descended from Irish people who hated blacks or Germans, Poles, Italians etc. who came later. The Abolitionist movement was almost entirely WASP. Heavy non-WASP immigration, differential birth rates and westward migration of WASPs means that there are not many of these people left in the Northeastern part of the country. So don’t blame white people in the north today for what someone who lived in the same state as them did 150 years, especially when that person’s few descendents probably live in California or have intermarried with Jews. 99023
Posted by reader on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:12 | # “[WASPs] . . . have intermarried with Jews.” I’d love to see your source showing WASPs intermarry with Jews at a higher rate than the Irish in the northeast. 99024
Posted by Scimitar on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:21 | # I’m not blaming or attacking anyone on the basis of their geographic location. I was merely offering a historical analysis. The problem is liberalism. That ideological disease is not exclusive to the American North, or unknown in the American South. It has enveloped the entire Western world. We now have to deal with liberal Yankees, liberal Southerners, liberal Canadians, liberal Australians, liberal Germans, liberal Anglos, and so on. I’m willing to work with likeminded whites, irrespective of their geographical location, who support the extirpation of liberalism and Jewish exclusion. There is already enough ethnic bickering on this thread for my tastes. It was not my intention to contribute to it. 99025
Posted by Scimitar on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:41 | #
If you are suggesting that “de facto segregation” existed in the North, as it still does today, then I agree. That’s not the same thing as the “de jure segregation” that existed in the Jim Crow South. Were all white Northerners anti-racists in the 1960s and 1970s? Of course not. It was not my intention to insinuate that. Was racial consciousness weaker in the North than the South during the 1960s and 1970s? Very much so. White Northerners were far more likely in opinion polls to believe that: blacks and whites are equally intelligent, black and white children should attend the same schools, miscegenation is acceptable, public accomodations should be non-discriminatory, etc. I will show you the specific graphs of the polling data once I get them uploaded. Re: the controversy over forced busing in Boston and other Northern cities. Much of the opposition to that was based not so much on racism (i.e., blacks are an inferior race) as it was on the perception that whites were being deprived of their individual liberty. I’m surprised no one has mentioned Wallace’s presidential campaigns. He did very well in the North by opposing forced integration on freedom of association grounds. Barry Goldwater opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 on libertarian grounds as well. The American North, legally speaking, was racially integrated by the early twentieth century. Most Northern states had laws that banned segregation in education and public accomodations. Some states even had laws that outlawed the “vilification” of nonwhites in film and the press. In pointing this out, I was attempting to show that whites infected by ideological liberalism are entirely capable of passing stupid anti-racist laws on their own accord, without Jews there to hold the hangman’s noose for them. Hence, my point about liberalism having to go as well. 99026
Posted by ben tillman on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:11 | # I’m surprised no one has mentioned Wallace’s presidential campaigns. You’re the expert on Wallace; however, it’s wrong to suggest that “freedom of association” is a cop-out. “Freedom of association” and “property” are damn near synonyms of “life”. 99027
Posted by PF on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:11 | # Addressing Friedrich Braun:
A nation has to rely on its own strength, or the ties of friendship it has to other nations- not a mewling concept of universal justice—precisely because he who enforces universal justice also interprets it, and interprets it according to his biases—thus it exists really only in theory, like the physicists’ frictionless billiard table. The UN was a test case for this theory, and look how miserably that has always failed. I know you would have more sympathy for this position - your sympathy for this position would be boundless, if only it could have been applied for example to German aggressions elsewhere. Might is Right, where Poland is concerned, or perhaps Russia, but when John Bull drops bombs on Dresden it’s “We never did anything on that scale to you.” So with Britain’s allies it’s “Total War” but with the superpower itself you want a Gentleman’s war- conveniently delusional point of view that is. If truth ever slandered the Germans, Friedrich, you would slap truth and tell her to shut the hell up- I think I understand the spirit of your apologetics very well. I don’t know if you can grasp my position correctly, since I’m not offering an out-and-out defense of either side or supporting for example the firebombing of Dresden. I’m trying to understand history and I find your viewpoint and fervour more distorting than helpful. It is like LindsayWheelers idealization of the Greeks, and likewise distorting. My strategic side would think first of the Germans, honestly.
‘Vicious’? Vicious is life, it’s a jungle out there, my concepts are just meant to mirror reality. 99028
Posted by Viridovix on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:10 | #
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/06/humans_have_spr.php Liberalism is the $10,000 half of the equation. Libertarianism is the $1,000,000 half of the equation. Jews are only an incidental component inside the overall formula described above. Throughout the Middle Ages, Jews were mostly marginalized with little overall power relative to their European hosts. The common European might however have still found himself preyed upon, worse than what is experienced today, at the hands of his own extended genetic kin. It was only with our childish liberalism and its teenager clone, our libertarian “leave me alone” individuality, that Jews experienced a substantial rise in power among European host populations. 99029
Posted by Viridovix on Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:43 | # Is a “whites only” egalitarian society possible without social totalitarianism?
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Posted by Friedrich Braun on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:58 | # PF, like his compatriot on VNN “natsocnet”, displays the charms & beauties of the English character: 99031
Posted by ben tillman on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:49 | # Is a “whites only” egalitarian society possible without social totalitarianism? I don’t really understand your use of “totalitarianism”. Perhaps you could elaborate. Studying small goby fish at Lizard Island on Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, Marian Wong and colleagues showed the threat of expulsion from the group acts as a powerful deterrent to keep subordinate fish from challenging those more dominant than they. Or, if they had studied human groups, they might observe that the threat of expulsion from the group acts as a powerful deterrent to keep high-status humans from exploiting low-status humans. Read D.S. Wilson, Christopher Boehm, and Matt Ridley on morality. 99032
Posted by Viridovix on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:22 | #
State control of public thought and movement is of course completely unacceptable. People want individual freedom of mind and body, but nobody wants anyone else to be free to commit bad behaviour against them unchecked. Liberalism seems very permissive towards bad behaviour. Libertarianism does not guarantee that all members of a society are persons who can be trusted. Neither gives us individual freedom from being overwhelmed by the bad behaviour of organized others. Here we come to a decision branch. What are we living for? From this answer, we have a design proposal for a civilization. What was the answer and the design proposal that followed that gave us the civilization we now live within?
An ideally egalitarian society endeavors to eliminate status or class division. It would however value individual rights to such an extent that the possibility of expulsion from society, for those who behave negatively, is very difficult. We may also find innocent idealists, truly commited to libertarian values, defending a high-status perpetrator. Discussing the rise of outlaw gangs and mafia oligarchs in the very midst of the libertarian ideal may drive us out of the discussion’s scope. Suffice to say that the high probability of collectives forming against public individuals spells the end of independence. Why? The state would repeatedly need to step in with a law enforcement body to protect our free individuals from outlaw bullying. That means conscription, taxation or some other collection from the public “for the common good”, eventually ending our libertarian society. 99033
Posted by J Richards on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:54 | # Ben Tillman, You are right, I should have used “accuser’s stories” instead of “accuser’s story.” Aside from this, I don’t see what the confusion is about the rest. You hypothesized the ADL preventing the news media from publicizing the case. The alleged 2 million offer did not have to have come from the ADL. A hypothetical scenario would have been Jewish individuals trying to buy the woman’s silence without ADL involvement, but by the time the ADL could have been brought in, after the woman’s refusal to take the money, it was all over the news. —————————— Reader, Bill White - Once again you are coming up with a straw man of JI’s arguments. Real Nazis are going to believe that blacks have a low IQ, but so will many non-Nazis. Nazis and many non-Nazis alike use the N-word. So how can one infer that Bill White is a fake Nazi or self-hating Jew from your caricature of JI’s argument? JI has a lot to say about Bill White. Churchill: I am pleased to see you finally link to something that the readers can browse to learn about Churchill’s genealogy. Let the reader go over JI’s arguments and your stuff and make his own decision. Paris Hilton - JI does not argue that Norwegian, German or Irish ancestry makes one Jewish. It points out individuals claiming to have these [non-Jewish] ancestries who curiously end up marrying Jews (e.g., Conrad Hilton marrying Zsa Zsa Gabor) and moving in higher Jewish circles, making one suspect that these individuals had at least part-Jewish ancestry. This is the crux of JI’s argument, and it is reasonable. JI does not claim that it has a slam-dunk case about Paris Hilton’s Jewishness, but who wouldn’t suspect it? Is it mere coincidence or merely a function of riches that the Hiltons’ lives are strongly intertwined with Jewish individuals? Duke case - Thank you for pointing out Seligmann’s untouched photos. I have seen so many Jews with horrible noses, that unless someone points out an original photo or the photoshopping is bad, it would not be obvious to me that a nose has been edited to make it look worse. If I were the webmaster of JI, I wouldn’t do this, but whoever is responsible certainly has a sense of humor. The important issue is whether such editing hurt JI’s case. If JI were coming with up faked photos like the Zionists have regarding Nazis, then it would quickly lose credibility, but JI is not manipulating the pictures like the Zionists have. Fakes used by Zionists did an effective job driving up anti-German hatred, and sent many individuals to the gallows. In other words, fakes can be effective. If JI is showing criminal Jews with artificially more pronounced hooked noses—and most whites dislike hooked noses – then it is helping make the argument that their criminality is associated with their Jewishness, which may be what JI is attempting to convey with the site. People will generally not know whether most Jews featured at JI have had their noses edited. JI is obviously not catering to the educated elite. It is going after the general public, which isn’t interested in 15,000 word articles with 200 footnotes. It is not doing a bad job exposing Zionism, though I wish it did it in a better manner. I will try to get in touch with its webmaster with suggestions for improvement. I will personally avoid associating the criminality of Zionists with their Jewishness and encourage others to avoid this association, too, but if someone portrays this association and it has the potential to undermine Zionism, then I will not interfere.
I don’t believe this. You had to know something about Daryl Bradford Smith in order to make sense out of the PC-Apostate article, and should have immediately realized the ludicrousness of it. Given the arguments of Smith, it should be obvious that many would disagree with him. There is no need for anyone to point out one such example.
Hufschmid does not solicit donations. Neither do Smith, Bollyn or JI. I have never encountered advertisements on Simth’s radio show.
Of course it follows. Your comment pertained to linking to other sites/web pages, not posting at MR. The fact that MR links to JI, IAW and other equivalent sites means that its credibility has gone down the drain from your perspective. I wish to address a more important issue. You are discrediting JI over minor points. On major issues such as the Holocaust hoax, the Lavon affair, the USS liberty attack, 9/11, Madrid bombing, etc., JI is spot-on regarding the big picture, namely Zionist involvement. Try discrediting the big picture regarding these topics. For the shortcomings in JI’s arguments with respect to these big issues, it wouldn’t be difficult to point out alternative and more scholarly resources. 99034
Posted by danielj on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:15 | #
That should scare you a little bit…. How are they making money? I think anybody with any sort of real internet presence should somehow either account for their funding and/or provide proof of some sort of a career. For instance, Bollyn seems to be rather wealthy for someone that was pounding out articles for AFP. What else has he been involved in that would afford him a house in the affluent sub division he occupies? (sorry we are so off topic GW) 99035
Posted by reader on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:35 | # Bill White: So how can one infer that Bill White is a fake Nazi or self-hating Jew from your caricature of JI’s argument? That was not a “caricature of JI’s argument”. That was a direct quote from judicial-inc, which in its original context is counterposed to the “truth” that Zionist gangsters destroyed New Orleans levees. I’m not the one you need to be asking about judicial-inc’s “logic”. A recurrent theme of judicial-inc is Jewish dislike for “schvartzes”. Oddly, this Jewish hatred is often illustrated using the alleged statements of non-Jews (Paris Hilton, Bill White, Duke lacrosse players). Who does this serve? Is the purpose of the site to attack “Zionism” or generate pity for blacks? Illustrating Jewish hypocrisy with regard to blacks (private anti-black sentiment versus public “anti-racist” agitation) might be useful; but this is not what judicial-inc is doing, or even attempting to do.
In reality, Jews will readily claim as Jews anyone for whom there is the slightest evidence of Jewish ancestry. This includes trashy celebrities. Real evidence for Jewish over-representation among the wealthy and influential is easy to come by. Why would you promote a site that spreads absurd disinformation like this? More importantly, why would you try to defend claims like this and waste my time? Are you trying to save face, or are you really this out of touch with reality? No evidence exists that Paris Hilton has Jewish ancestry. Period. Being related to people who marry Jews does not constitute evidence for (nor, in 20th-century America, is it even suggestive of) Jewish ancestry. I’m done talking about Paris Hilton.
What judicial-inc actually did: doctor photos of a non-criminal non-Jew. Justify that. Do you believe there is not enough of evidence of real misdeeds by actual Jews? Do you believe the “anti-Zionist” cause is advanced by smearing a white kid who is a sympathetic figure to anyone who has bothered to obtain the facts on the case (minus radical leftists and blacks)? I would guess that if any of the many thousands of people who have followed the case happen across judicial-inc’s discussion of it, they will be left, at best, with a strong dislike of that particular website, and, at worst, a strong distrust of “anti-Zionists” in general. As I previously implied, I have no moral qualms about lying to or about Jews—if it advances my interests. The lies of judicial-inc are not damaging to Jews. They are only damaging to judicial-inc and the people who embrace it. JI is obviously not catering to the educated elite. It is going after the general public, which isn’t interested in 15,000 word articles with 200 footnotes. It is not doing a bad job exposing Zionism, though I wish it did it in a better manner. I guess you have a very low opinion of the general public. That’s probably warranted. But let’s think this through. Joe Public stumbles upon judicial-inc and is taken in by its sub-supermarket-tabloid-style journalism. JP picks up new “facts” and learns to distrust Jews. JP researches “facts” further, or is disabused of his new “facts” by a more knowledgeable acquaintance, and realizes he’s been lied to. JP now associates “anti-Zionism” with feelings of distrust, or being made to look dumb. What’s to stop JP overshooting in the other direction as he tries to sort out what’s real? Some fraction of the public may be taken in to such a degree they’ll continue to trust judicial-inc even after they’re shown multiple examples of judicial-inc’s deception. These will disproportionately be the people who were already convinced of Jewish perfidy in the first place. What good does judicial-inc do these people? It shifts their attention from actual issues to fantasies about Jews bribing negro strippers and supressing Paris Hilton’s genealogy. It fills their heads with misinformation, which can only degrade their internal models of the world, lowering their ability to think and act effectively. You are exhibit #1.
I don’t care. For the record, what I know about Smith is what I’ve absorbed from seeing his name mentioned on discussion boards a handful of times, coupled with 20 mintues of research a few days ago.
No. It suggests one of the MR webmasters is not very discerning. By itself, a link in the sidebar doesn’t mean much. Your attempting to defend indefensible claims is what puts your credibility in the shitter. Since you don’t speak for other MR authors, your statements don’t reflect on their credibility.
First, let’s address an even more important issue: what is it you are really trying to accomplish? Is “exposing Zionism” your overriding goal? Because it damn sure isn’t mine. What I want is to preserve (genetic) northwestern Europeans, and Europeans in general. Everything else is secondary to these goals. Support for Israel among diaspora Jews is usually a symptom of an ethnocentrism which also manifests in attempts to undermine European interests. So my interests are in conflict with those of “Zionists”. I will expend energy on “exposing Zionists” where it serves my interests. I will not lose sight of the bigger picture.
Why should one trust anything on a site that invents facts and doctors photos? I have little doubt I could point out errors in judicial-inc’s treatment of all these topics; but since you laugh off the Reade Seligmann photoshops, I doubt anything will shake your faith. Anyway, since you acknowledge judicial-inc has “shortcomings”, why not go straight to the “alternative and more scholarly resources”? By the way, what is your ethnic background? 99036
Posted by Maguire on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:26 | # To “Finn” and others, “About small ethnic nationalist communities: Here is sometimes an odd tendency to presume total separation of strategies, like the separation of small communities from the large scale democratic etc. political influence. This is not the case.” I agree fully. Small real communities will focus the real tasks like a laser beam. The anti-thesis to living communities is here: http://vnnforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19 “Working” is in the bottom five topics for activity. And much of that desert is populated by the latest twist on speculating in rare metals like silver and gold, apparently to exchange for Jewish paper money at some point. “Tech Solutions”, “Aryan Community”, “Raising White Children” and “Kirksville; Think Global Act Local” are equally unpopulated. Other individual threads at VNNF have more word content than all of those categories put together. These include threads devoted to accused pederast Kevin Alfred Strom and known federal informer Frazier Glen Miller. There is no ‘community’ there. It’s just an anarchic collection of random electrons illuminating phosphor dots. There’s no ‘community’ here either, by the way. Alex Linder’s subsequent need to post a front page appeal for legal assistance AFTER deciding to get himself arrested at Knoxville should surprise no one. Who with enough focus to get a law degree and license would be tempted to join that carnivale? And what are the prospects for recruiting enough attorneys to ensure coverage of every jurisdiction? Gresham’s Law applies to human organizations as well as financial exchange. Instead of doing that spade work Alex tried the ju-jitsu method once again. That is, after trying to force Enemy Media to do his work at Knoxville, Alex tried to attract Enemy Legal Infrastructure (the ACLU) by appealing to a moral sense of ‘fairness’ they don’t have. That is a weak point of ours They exploited. It’s not a weakness of theirs we can exploit. This is the inner meaning of the Jewish wisecrack that ‘consistency is the hobgoblin of tiny minds.” Maguire 99037
Posted by Scimitar on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:14 | # Have you seen Linder’s latest stunt? http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=51227 99038
Posted by danielj on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:07 | # Jesus! That is the most offensive, insensitive and idiotic letter I have ever read. I had to stop after two paragraphs. What the hell is wrong with him? That is no way to convert anyone to anything. I have posted at MR while slightly intoxicated but I have never posted anything so hateful. While we are on the subject, marching around with other people holding signs and screaming doesn’t make a “community” either - nor is it meaningful action. 99039
Posted by Matra on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:57 | # I hope that letter from Linder doesn’t make it beyond WN circles. If it does it will reinforce in the minds of the general (white) public the media image of anyone concerned about the plight of whites. Calvin’s first post on page one of this thread comes to mind. 99040
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:52 | # There seems to be a certain mindset that think it must respond to the perceived contemptible with contemptibleness, as if there was some corrective to be achieved thereby. I am completely baffled by it. Perhaps, if Alex returns to this thread, he would explain. 99041
Posted by Maguire on Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:41 | # GW, “think it must respond to the perceived contemptible with contemptibleness” To quote Fred On Everything Nietzsche… “When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you.” Friedrich Nietzsche And that is what the non-Movement does best. It stares into the Judeo abyss until the Abyss stares back through them at all of us. Maguire. 99042
Posted by Friedrich Braun on Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:06 | # A very good letter. I agree with every word of it. I remember AntiYuppie writing something similar (in similar circumstances) on the now defunct O.D. forum. I prefer to see a White woman killed than seeing her race-mixing with subsubhuman man-ape hybrids and producing mongrels. 99044
Posted by +++ on Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:28 | # At the moment, it’s Scimitar’s blog, not Linder’s forum which is circulating the letter to the widest audience for good or ill. 99046
Posted by TG on Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:19 | # This so called “good Christian girl” from a “good Christian family” had not one, but two children out of wedlock…with a married negro! What a pathetic loser. I have no pity for the stupid. The permissiveness for unnatural acts of miscegenation shown by the mother speaks volumes about why her slutty daughter was murdered at the hands of a sub-human negro.
1:25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the 1:26. For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 99047
Posted by J Richards on Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:08 | # Daniel J,
JI, IAW, erichufschmid.net and bollyn.com at most attract a few thousand unique users a day and all except bollyn.com publish static pages. It would take less than $15 per month to run sites like these, which even poor people can afford. Bollyn is married to a former professional model, and her earnings could easily account for his house if Bollyn hasn’t been making much money on his own. ———————- Reader, You indeed came up with a caricature of JI’s argument regarding Bill White. To summarize JI’s arguments about Bill White, it mentions 1) the attention he has received from the ADL, SPLC, NY Post, Zionist-controlled newspapers, etc. (Zionists will not be bringing attention upon someone unless they had something to gain from it), 2) his connection to Zionist set-ups such as the Toledo riots, 3) his growing up in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood, 4) his attending predominantly Jewish schools, 4) his becoming a slum landlord, 5) his involvement with a woman who turned in the mailing lists of numerous “white supremacist” organizations to the SPLC, 6) his misleading statements on 9/11 and 7) his low opinion of blacks, which was his only take on Katrina rather than a consideration of the mysterious breaking of the levees. JI also puts this in the broader context of fake Nazis such as Fritz Kuhn, Frank Collin, George Rockwell, etc. It is obvious that JI has made a case that Bill White appears to be a fake Nazi, but you ignored the mass of JI’s comments and picked the statement about blacks to come up with a ridiculous caricature.
Who is saying they are trying to hide it? Do you expect Jews to publicize the Jewishness of all Jews in the limelight, especially that of an inadvertent porn star like Paris Hilton? If indeed “Jews will readily claim as Jews anyone for whom there is the slightest evidence of Jewish ancestry,” then there should be plenty of examples of Jews making sure that people understand that Sumner Redstone is Jew Murray Rothstein, right? And I suppose that the Jews are publicizing very well that the Rothschilds are Jewish, too.
Am I trying to make a case for Jewish overrepresentation among the rich and powerful by citing JI or is even JI trying to make this case? Most people already know this. What people are mostly ignorant of is the nature and extent of Zionist criminality. JI is a useful source documenting the latter, and my point is that Linder should take a cue from JI and come up with something along its lines, only better, if he wants to deal with Zionism. JI seems to be making the argument “Jews = bad” by making sure that all misbehaving/criminal well-known Jews or people suspected to be Jewish/part-Jewish are exposed.
LOL! Who is wasting whose time? You have completely ignored the fact that Linder is doing a poor job exposing Zionism and should heed my suggestion in the form of coming up with sites along the lines of JI and IAW, but instead have nitpicked minor issues at the JI site, ignoring the broad picture presented there and repeatedly come up with straw men regarding JI’s arguments.
JI offers a lot of content. It is far from true that JI is often using statements by non-Jews alleged to be Jews/part-Jewish. You can choose to believe that Paris Hilton and Bill White are completely non-Jewish, but JI isn’t just making an empty allegation that these individuals are part Jewish.
Most of JI does not address blacks.
The doctoring is limited to the nose, is along the lines of a joke, and does not amount to doctoring evidence related to the case like the Zionists did to WW2 photos. I do not know whether Seligmann is non-Jewish, but if he is then there is no guarantee that he is a non-criminal.
There is evidence aplenty of Jewish misdeeds, but not in a single place. Something like JI minus its shortcomings is a step in the right direction.
The fools that would end up strongly disliking an extensive website because of errors in an insignificant part of it and distrusting anti-Zionist sites in general because of this deserve to be screwed by Zionists.
Spoken just like a Zionist. I have moral qualms about lies other than white lies.
And these “lies” involve joking about hooked noses or trivial and relatively inconsequential maters such as questionable genealogies of some public figures that are of little concern to the Jewish question.
Go through everything I have posted at MR and see where exactly I have been talking about Jews bribing black strippers and Paris Hilton’s genealogy. Nowhere except recently in response to you picking on trivial stuff at JI. Your statement is nothing but nonsense.
I don’t believe this either.
Really? To quote you, “The apparent connection with judicial-inc immediately calls their credibility into question, as well.” This statement did not follow from any analysis of the contents of IAW by you.
And all these “indefensible” claims happen to be trivial issues presented as straw men by you, not one of which I ever bothered addressing, let alone “defending,” before you decided to mess up this thread. I have already noted that I not betting my money on JI’s portrayal of the Duke case or the Katrina levee destruction.
In reference to your quote, the credibility of MR authors based on what they have posted is not the issue. The issue is, once again, linking to questionable websites.
My goals are the same as that of other MR authors. I don’t obsess over Zionism. Not one of my entries at MR blog have addressed Zionism. It is obvious that “exposing Zionism” isn’t any particular concern of yours.
If you are not a Zionist agent, then you should realize that the road to prosperity for NW and other Europeans passes through Tel Aviv, and in true Israeli fashion, the Zionists are not preventing the Europeans from marching through by setting up barricades; the Zionists are using underground road bombs, which they detonate by remote control and blame on car bombs set up by Arabs.
The “invented” facts are trivial issues, and it is debatable to what extent a number of these trivial issues are outright “inventions.” The doctoring of photos appears limited to manipulating the nose, which is a joke, not Zionist-style WW2 photo doctoring. All reasonable individuals are expected to cross check the claims of JI with other sources, which goes for any sensationalistic claim regardless of where it is encountered.
Then do so. The challenge for you is to destroy the big picture with respect to the big issues, not pick on minutiae. See if you can do it.
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Posted by reader on Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:18 | # If indeed “Jews will readily claim as Jews anyone for whom there is the slightest evidence of Jewish ancestry,” then there should be plenty of examples of Jews making sure that people understand that Sumner Redstone is Jew Murray Rothstein, right? And I suppose that the Jews are publicizing very well that the Rothschilds are Jewish, too. Searching the Forward, we find a story about Sumner Redstone being honored by the UJA; 26 hits for Rothschild, including “Jewish community leader, Lord Rothschild”; and 7 hits for Paris Hilton, none of which, strangely, mentions her bat mitzvah. JI is a useful source documenting the latter, and my point is that Linder should take a cue from JI and come up with something along its lines, only better, if he wants to deal with Zionism. I’d say that, for sane people, VNN is a hell of a lot more convincing than judicial-inc. VNN has it’s share of problems; but its organizing principle, white nationalism, is much sounder than the “anti-Zionist” conspiracist organizing principle of IAW/JIB. Anyway, it’s one thing to promote the JIB format or style. It’s another to defend its content. This discussion has been enlightening, in that you have revealed yourself to be batshit insane and/or completely lacking in judgment. JI seems to be making the argument “Jews = bad” by making sure that all misbehaving/criminal well-known Jews or people suspected to be Jewish/part-Jewish are exposed. You’re taking JIB more seriously than its author does:
Does that sound like a sincere person? Is this someone whose site you should be promoting as “not a bad source”? LOL! Who is wasting whose time? You have completely ignored the fact that Linder is doing a poor job exposing Zionism and should heed my suggestion in the form of coming up with sites along the lines of JI and IAW, but instead have nitpicked minor issues at the JI site, ignoring the broad picture presented there and repeatedly come up with straw men regarding JI’s arguments. Have you asked your cult leader how he feels about Linder? Anyway, “Zionists” are not the problem. Jews are the problem. The issues with JIB are not minor. The errors I’ve pointed out are representative of the type of errors that appear throughout the site. The “anti-racist” ideology I have identified is carried through the entire site. I believe any clear-thinking will have already been convinced of the worthlessness of judicial-inc with the examples in this thread, if not merely by glancing at the site itself. Carlos Porter provides many additional examples of problems with JIB in the following links: Dutroux
Sam Walton is clearly not Jewish. And, incidentally, I’ve seen no evidence Kroenke is Jewish. I could go on, but what’s the point? I’ve already given you several blatant examples of JIB lies, which you dismiss as “straw men”. JI isn’t just making an empty allegation that [Paris Hilton and Bill White] are part Jewish. “Empty allegations” describes these pages perfectly. The doctoring is limited to the nose, is along the lines of a joke, and does not amount to doctoring evidence related to the case like the Zionists did to WW2 photos. When the “case” is that Seligmann is a Jew, doctoring his nose is pretty damned related to the case. I do not know whether Seligmann is non-Jewish, but if he is then there is no guarantee that he is a non-criminal. There is no “guarantee” anyone is “non-criminal”. Normal people don’t go around making up stories and alleging crimes without evidence, and thinking people don’t go around believing or “keeping an open mind” about such stories. Same with Jewish ancestry. Anyone could be part-Jew. But honorable people don’t accuse others of being Jews without good reason. There is no more reason to think Seligmann has Jewish ancestry than there is to think any other given person with a name that can be either German or Jewish and no other signs of Jewish ancestry is a part-Jew. There is less reason to think Seligmann is criminal than there is to think any given college student is criminal, since Seligmann has come under close scrutiny and no criminal activity has been uncovered. The fools that would end up strongly disliking an extensive website because of errors in an insignificant part of it and distrusting anti-Zionist sites in general because of this deserve to be screwed by Zionists. JIB is riddled with errors throughout. You are blind if you don’t see this. I doubt you are stupid, since I don’t recall noticing major deficiencies in your reasoning ability prior to the past couple weeks. So, you must be some combination of mentally ill and totally ignorant of large swathes of relevant knowledge. Spoken just like a Zionist. I have moral qualms about lies other than white lies. Good for you. You want a medal? Are you going for your Universalist Morality merit badge? Do you have moral qualms when you say you’re European, or when you say you’re part Asian? Or is lying about your race a “white lie”? Go through everything I have posted at MR and see where exactly I have been talking about Jews bribing black strippers and Paris Hilton’s genealogy. Nowhere except recently in response to you picking on trivial stuff at JI. Your statement is nothing but nonsense. You have proven in this thread that you can’t seperate fact from fantasy. That’s not a trivial matter. 99049
Posted by reader on Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:21 | # I don’t believe this either. And I still don’t give a fuck. But since I consider it rather impolite of you to question my integrity a second time and again imply I am a “Zionist agent” sent here to discredit your cult leader, I’ll take this opportunity to point everyone to http://www.femininebeauty.info. The reader is free decide if the overlap in debating style, subject matter, and illustrations by way of (the same) porn sites between “J Richards” and “Erik Holland” is mere coincidence. “Erik Holland” claims:
Another interesting comment from “Holland”:
Really? To quote you, “The apparent connection with judicial-inc immediately calls their credibility into question, as well.” This statement did not follow from any analysis of the contents of IAW by you. When I visited IAW for the first time, I very quickly sensed that it was connected to judicial-inc. I guess I’m just perceptive like that. It was probably a combination of the reciprocal links, similarities in design, and similar agendas that tipped me off. Anyway, I’m not the first to have noticed the connection: others have pointed out that judicial-inc.biz and iamthewitness.com are both up for renewal February 8, 2008. What a shocking, unexpected coincidence, eh? Anyway, knowing what I know now, I’d say IAW does a perfectly good job of discrediting itself even if we ignore the connection to judicial-inc. Do you believe the Apollo Moon landings were faked? Do you believe we are “Zionists” if we don’t? And all these “indefensible” claims happen to be trivial issues presented as straw men by you, not one of which I ever bothered addressing, let alone “defending,” before you decided to mess up this thread. I have already noted that I not betting my money on JI’s portrayal of the Duke case or the Katrina levee destruction. Sorry, not good enough. You’ve shown you lack judgment. Reality and Skunk’s absurd fabrications are not on equal footing. I would allow you the eccentricity of believing in goofy conspiracy theories yourself if you weren’t also trying to promote these sites in a venue like MR and insisting those who disagree with them are “Zionist agents”. IAW and JIB do nothing to promote European interests, and if anything actively work against them. Daryl Bradford Smiths rants against “white supremacist nitwits”; claims “racists” and “Nazis” are Zionists; says he’s against “Zionists”, not against Jews; and says we should judge people by the “content of their character”. This worldview, which combines anti-racism and paranoid “anti-Zionism”, is clearly not concerned with advancing European interests. This is as good a place as any to note that DBS’s wife is allegedly non-white. DBS “answers” this charge in the mp3 linked above by denying that his wife is “black” and claiming his wife’s skin is “white as driven snow”; interestingly, he doesn’t actually claim she is (racially) white. At the same time, he says he would have no problem marrying a non-white, and claims first to be 1/16 indian, then to have a grandmother who is 1/2 indian (which would make him 1/8 nonwhite). Peter Schaenk discusses Daryl Bradford Smith. Alleged results of a background investigation on Smith:
My goals are the same as that of other MR authors. Name them (your goals). I think GW has made quite clear majorityrights is not monolithic in viewpoint. I don’t obsess over Zionism. Not one of my entries at MR blog have addressed Zionism. The last sentence is true. Which makes your recent behavior all the more striking. If you are not a Zionist agent, then you should realize that the road to prosperity for NW and other Europeans passes through Tel Aviv, and in true Israeli fashion, the Zionists are not preventing the Europeans from marching through by setting up barricades; the Zionists are using underground road bombs, which they detonate by remote control and blame on car bombs set up by Arabs. Pernicious Jewish influence is unquestionably part of the problem. “Zionist” conspiracies, real or imagined, are mostly irrelevant. WTC deaths add up to around 3000. Regardless of who is responsible for the attack, it did not put Europeans on the road to extinction. And, regardless of who is responsible, neither Jews nor Muslims belong in Western nations. You are not going to convince most people the Moon landings were a hoax. You are not going to convince most people Jews did WTC. It wouldn’t matter if these claims were true. Investigating claims like these is orthogonal to European racial preservation. All reasonable individuals are expected to cross check the claims of JI with other sources, Contrast this statement with “I am not a historian and will not be looking up Churchill’s genealogy. JI has made its case”. Clearly, you have no interest in cross checking anything, or you never would have been so impressed with judicial-inc. IAW is a more scholarly resource for many issues covered by JI Ha ha. But for the time being, JI is not a bad source. Are you serious? For instance, IAW has made the obvious argument that Rense.com is part of the Zionist network Why don’t you list for us some of the other people IAW has accused of being “Zionists” or Zionist tools? It’s basically everyone, isn’t it? Smith, Hufschmid, and Bollyn—and true believer “Richards”/“Holland”—against an entire world of Zionists and Zionist lapdogs. 99050
Posted by J Richards on Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:41 | # Reader, You cited a page mentioning Sumner Redstone being honored by the UJA, but it does not mention that Sumner Redstone is a Jew or that his original name is Murray Rothstein. Is the UJA only going to honor Jews? Most of the 26 pages at forward.com where the Rothschilds are mentioned do not say that they are Jewish. Very few do so directly. This is an example of Jews doing a good job of publicizing the Jewishness of some important figures in the public? Not all part-Jewish individuals go through a bar mitzvah, and if Paris Hilton, assuming she is part Jewish, hasn’t gone through this process, then it will obviously not be mentioned.
Only a Zionist would write the above. VNN promotes extreme racism and foulness. Just look at Linder’s latest letter to the mother of the miscegenating murdered woman, linked above. It is sick. Whom will it convince? If VNN’s content represents white nationalism, then what do you think Joe Public’s view of WNism would be?
The big picture at JI is sound, and I am defending the big picture, namely the vast scope of Zionist malfeasance. I am not defending every detail there, which I have already explained in detail. I have also mentioned numerous shortcomings of JI, which I hope the webmaster improves on. If you believe that I am batshit insane or completely lacking in judgment, then it is time for you to stop debating me. I would never debate a batshit insane person.
You have cited an email message, supposedly by JI’s webmaster, at a website by Carlos Porter. There is no evidence that JI’s webmaster wrote it. No email of JI’s webmaster is provided for me to cross-check whether he wrote it. Even if JI’s webmaster wrote it, it confirms what I have said, that the website does not appear to be oriented toward scholars; it is targeting the general public that is not interested in lengthy, well-footnoted articles. And here is the key that you have not mentioned in your comment.
This confirms, if it is indeed the writing of JI’s webmaster, that he is trying to make the case “Jews = bad” rather than “Zionists = bad.” The last statement is also about the big picture, which is where JI is sound.
I believe that the only problematic Jews are the Zionists, not others. I don’t have anything against Jews in general.
Consider it a challenge to disprove JI regarding the big picture concerning the Holocaust, 9/11, the attack on USS Liberty and other IMPORTANT issues. Unless you can do so, your statement is just empty. The links to Carlos Porter’s site are pages that address trivial issues, too. Unless you or Porter can show that JI is wrong about IMPORTANT issues in reference to Zionist criminality, I will consider JI to be good enough for the general public not interested in scholarly arguments, which describes most people.
If JI is promoting an anti-racist ideology, then I am glad. Nothing like Linder-style racist commentary to scare the white sheeple away. In the event you haven’t realized it, MR does not promote racism. The preservation of European ethnic genetic interests and Western culture does not require us to prove that non-whites are “inferior” or argue that they should be discriminated against. There are some areas where whites enjoy an advantage, and documenting this advantage to make the case that there is some value to Euro preservation apart from doing so because it is our own is not racism, though it will be seen as “racist” by some, and this is the only type of “racism” you will encounter from MR bloggers.
The straw men are not JI’s arguments. The straw men are your portrayals of JI’s arguments. For instance, compare your portrayal of JI’s argument about Bill White to my summary of JI’s argument.
The case against Seligmann had nothing whatsoever to do with his nose, and doctoring Seligmann’s nose therefore does not amount to doctoring facts related to the case (once again, think of Zionist-style WW2 photo doctoring).
The statement did not pertain to just about any kind of criminality that Seligmann may have been guilty of, but specifically to the outlandish allegation that was the Duke case.
Another reason for you to stop debating me. I would not debate an insane or very ignorant person.
Where have I said that I am part Asian?
I see nothing other than very superficial similarity regarding some of the contents. This Holland guy’s arguments are not racial and he cannot even get himself to use the word race or acknowledge it. I am amused you believe that I am him. I am not the only person with access to scientific sources and porn sites or the capability of writing in scientific style. Anyway, thank you for the link; I found a new source of pictures of beautiful white women…will come in handy.
Once again, you pick on a minor issue, not related to Zionist criminality, to discredit IAW. The Apollo moon landings never occurred. NASA has recently exposed its own lie. The USA couldn’t send man to the moon today; forget about decades ago. Your second question is a straw man. Smith and Hufschmid note that fake [Zionist] “9/11 truthers” avoid exposing the Apollo moon landing hoax, not that those who disagree about this hoax are Zionists. IAW even has a screen capture of Rense.com very briefly exposing the Apollo moon landing hoax, but the link at Rense.com didn’t last long; somebody was upset and ordered it taken down.
A load of crap! Undermining Zionism is the single most important thing one could do to advance European interests.
When many “white supremacists” are in reality Ashkenazis out to give those of us wanting to preserve Euro people and culture a bad name and associate Euro preservationism with criminality and racism, ranting against them is justified. I certainly don’t have a problem with Smith being against Zionists, not Jews…this is my attitude, too, and to my knowledge no MR blogger despises Jews in general. I also believe that people should be judged on the content of their character rather than race, and I am positive that other MR authors agree with me on this.
MR is not monolithic, no doubt, but the discussion is within the broad context of the genetic and cultural preservation of whites, which is what my goal is.
It shouldn’t be striking at all. All I did was to suggest that Linder should improve his presentation and provided him examples of sites that he should take a cue from. Then a Zionist agent came along with all sorts of straw men and absurdities to dicredit these more effective sites, and debating him is what makes my recent behavior “striking.”
What a load of crap! The Zionists are the problem, including for non-Zionist Jews. When people well-versed with Zionist criminality reach a critical mass and go after the Zionists, many non-Zionist Jews will unfortunately suffer, too.
The Zionists are not out to make Euro man extinct. They want to lord it over Euros with no possibility of Euro resistance…this requires weakening Euro man. Engineering 9/11 was geared toward this purpose. Firstly, the Zionists would be able to kill a lot of Muslims after blaming 9/11 on them , making Israel safer. Secondly, Zionists would acquire control of many Middle Eastern oil reserves. America is a major financial lender to Israel and Israel gets America to do its dirty jobs, but if America collapses economically, then Israel would be in dire straits. The Zionists have caused the U.S. government to rack up so much debt that it has no possibility of paying it off and its creditors will not lend it money unless it can secure the loans. The Zionists need control over Middle Eastern oil, in part, for the American government—actually ZOG—to secure its loans. Zionist attempts to control Eastern European oil have been failures so far, and they desperately need control of Middle Eastern oil. They simply had to engineer 9/11.
I agree that Jews and Muslims should be living outside the West.
Wait and see. Exposing these issues is directly relevant to Euro racial preservation. The utility of exposing Zionist orchestration of 9/11 is obvious. Exposing the Apollo moon landing hoax will help make people question what the government has been telling them. Casting the seed of doubt will make people more receptive to evaluating evidence documenting a variety of ZOG crimes and cover-ups.
If JI says that the Holocaust never happened and I never came across this argument before, you bet I am going to cross check this claim and any other sensationlistic claim I encounter there. However, I am not wasting my time cross-checking issues of little importance such as Churchill’s genealogy.
Read IAW. You have left little doubt that you are a Zionist agent. You pick on trivial issues mentioned at JI while ignoring all the important ones, shift blame away from Zionists, attempt to discredit Daryl Bradford Smith and me by claiming that he and I are non-white, that Smith has an extensive criminal record and is married to a non-white (how are his arguments undermined even if he is?), that he and I have an “anti-racist” agenda and are thereby not in favor of Euro preservationism…all the stuff that one would expect from a Zionist agent…trying to foment discord. It is just not going to work. Get lost, but before you go let me tell you something. Zionism is on a sinking ship. The Zionists lost Russia decades before the internet. What chance do you people stand now? 99051
Posted by reader on Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:10 | # I picked the Forward as one example of a Jewish publication. If you want to know what information circulates to the broader public, type “Sumner Redstone” or “Rothschild” into Google. You will find that—big surprise—their Jewishness is not a secret. Not all part-Jewish individuals go through a bar mitzvah, and if Paris Hilton, assuming she is part Jewish, hasn’t gone through this process, then it will obviously not be mentioned. To spell it out for you: none of the hits for “Paris Hilton” in the Forward so much as hint she is a Jew. Are you by any chance autistic? Only a Zionist would write the above. VNN promotes extreme racism and foulness. Of course. Zionists promote VNN. Zionists live in fear the Apollo Moon landings will be exposed as a hoax. Just look at Linder’s latest letter . . . Except Linder didn’t write it. If VNN’s content represents white nationalism, then what do you think Joe Public’s view of WNism would be? Portrayals of white nationalists on television and in newspapers skew negative anyway; at worst, elements of VNN may live up to the TV/newspaper image. “Racists” will continue to be demonized in the mainstream media with or without VNN. The big picture at JI is sound, and I am defending the big picture, namely the vast scope of Zionist malfeasance. I am not defending every detail there, which I have already explained in detail. The “big picture” is made up of details. If the details are wrong, or fabricated, the picture changes. Consider it a challenge to disprove JI regarding the big picture concerning the Holocaust, 9/11, the attack on USS Liberty and other IMPORTANT issues. Unless you can do so, your statement is just empty. No. My statement is meaningful. Every page at judicial-inc I have examined in detail contains multiple errors; many pages contain outright inventions of fact. On the off chance Skunk gets a topic right, his page on the subject will still be useless, since I will still need to thoroughly check each fact against reputable sources. I would rather go to reputable sources to start with than waste my time. The preservation of European ethnic genetic interests and Western culture does not require us to prove that non-whites are “inferior” or argue that they should be discriminated against. Agreed that “superior/inferior” is irrelevant, but the second part of your claim is curious. Europeans don’t need to “discriminate” against non-whites as mates or neighbors or immigrants (or, in your case apparently, parents) in order to preserve European EGI? . . . and this is the only type of “racism” you will encounter from MR bloggers. Since when did “MR bloggers” authorize you to speak for them? Another reason for you to stop debating me. I would not debate an insane or very ignorant person. This mostly stopped being for your benefit after your initial “Zionist agent” episode. Anyway, rather than calling you insane, perhaps you would be better likened to an adult religious convert (i.e., cult member). You’re clearly operating on faith, not reason. When did you have this epiphany about Zionists? This Holland guy’s . . . Haha. Nice distancing language there. Once again, you pick on a minor issue, not related to Zionist criminality, to discredit IAW. The Apollo moon landings never occurred. NASA has recently exposed its own lie. The USA couldn’t send man to the moon today; forget about decades ago. OMG. It’s worse than you think. I found these pics of the Moon that are supposed to be taken from space. But there are no stars! Obviously NASA can’t even reach Earth orbit. Plus the idiots at NASA who faked these pics forgot to photoshop the stars in. NASA has no explanation for this. Undermining Zionism is the single most important thing one could do to advance European interests. Nope. It’s not. Remove Jews from Western nations and they can subscribe to whatever ideology they want. When many “white supremacists” are in reality Ashkenazis out to give those of us wanting to preserve Euro people and culture a bad name and associate Euro preservationism with criminality and racism, ranting against them is justified. “Many” “white supremacists” are Ashkenazis? No. I certainly don’t have a problem with Smith being against Zionists, not Jews…this is my attitude, too, and to my knowledge no MR blogger despises Jews in general. Yeah, it’s all Theodor Herzl’s fault. Prior to the late-19th century, Jews lived in perfect harmony with Europeans. And Noam Chomsky—there’s a friend of the white man if I’ve ever seen one. Zionism is a poltical ideology. The real issues are biological in nature. It shouldn’t be striking at all. What’s striking is that you’ve become a full-fledged initiate in the IAW cult, right down to believing America never went to the Moon. For someone who previously gave at least the superficial appearance of rational thought, this is surprising. I agree that Jews and Muslims should be living outside the West. Does that include the “non-Zionist Jews”? Also, am I sensing some “discrimination” here? attempt to discredit Daryl Bradford Smith and me by claiming that he and I are non-white Incorrect. I reported your own respective claims of non-white ancestry. that Smith has an extensive criminal record and is married to a non-white (how are his arguments undermined even if he is?), that he and I have an “anti-racist” agenda and are thereby not in favor of Euro preservationism.. His arguments undermine themselves. As for the rest: hmmm . . . yeah I can totally see how someone could have a non-white wife while being in favor of Euro preservationism and showing it by ranting againt “racists”. Also, this sounds pretty “anti-racist” to me:
all the stuff that one would expect from a Zionist agent Absolutely. Claiming differences between Jews and Europeans go beyond politics—exactly what a Zionist agent would do. Claiming Americans actually landed on the Moon—ditto. Who would believe stupid Goyim could achieve something like that? Get lost, but before you go let me tell you something. Zionism is on a sinking ship. The Zionists lost Russia decades before the internet. What chance do you people stand now? Your bold declaration has shaken me to my Zionist agent core. But, seriously, assuming you’re white, I hope your IAW-convert fervor eventually wears off and you are able to channel your energies into productive pursuits. 99052
Posted by J Richards on Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:48 | # Reader,
I never asserted that the Jewishness of these individuals is secret. My assertion was that the Jews are not eagerly publicizing the Jewishness of these big names. Your own link to Sumner Redstone does not mention his original name or his Jewishness.
No need to repeat it. The forward is not the arbiter of who is and who isn’t Jewish or part Jewish.
Stupid straw man.
When it was first posted, Linder didn’t add the disclaimer that he received the letter in the mail. He is nevertheless promoting it. Makes little difference to most people who stumble across it; they would be sickened. And VNN is what you call a more effective site than JI!
And these media are under Zionist control. Zionists set up these fake Nazis/racists and then promote their fake sickness in their media.
The big picture is the vast scope of Zionist criminality. The shortcomings of JI do not undermine it. There are alternative sources making the same broad arguments, but they are not in one place. You have yet to show wrong or fabricated details in regard to any of the big issues such as 9/11 or the USS Liberty attack such that the crux of the argument is undermined.
JI is obviously not meant for fact checkers and people looking for scholarly references. It does an effective job for the people that it is targeting.
Discrimination applies to issues such as jobs, legal representation and other matters pertaining to equality before the law, not matters such as choosing a spouse or matters pertaining to freedom of association. If race is irrelevant, then employers are not supposed to take it into account. However, nothing says that people should not discriminate against who they marry. You again bring in a stupid straw man.
How am I speaking on their behalf? I am describing the contents of the blog entries. Go through them and see for yourself.
The pictures that matter are those taken from the surface of a planet/satellite with no atmosphere, not your two examples from space with a bright light source in a half or third of the picture. NASA and you have not addressed the vast majority of issues pointed here and here to make NASA’s claims credible.
Jews cannot be removed from Western nations unless Zionism is undermined. Besides, even if all Jews lived in Israel and had the same power as they today presently, the goyim would still suffer.
The foul ones publicized by the Zionists often are.
More stupidity.
Genetic engineering to take care of this “biological nature” is not a feasability now or anytime in the near future. Exposing Zionist crimes is the obvious way to go.
No one capable of rational thought and after having examined the evidence would buy into NASA claims about the moon landing or fail to see Zionism as a problem.
A claim that I have made nowhere.
Yours, not Smith’s undermine themselves.
Your claim about his non-white wife is hearsay. Even if it is true, people don’t control whom they fall in love with, and there is no reason why a white person couldn’t desire Euro preservation even if he has ended up with a non-white. Smith is not claiming to be a Euro preservationist or that he is opposed to the notion. Smith’s focus is on Zionist criminality, which he does an excellent job exposing.
I have already told you this site is not promoting racism.
There is no discrimination here. The Zionists are a problem, the Zionists are Jews and many Jews are Zionists, but one cannot readily tell who is and who isn’t a Zionist. Therefore, Zionism needs to be undermined and the entire Jewish community should preferably live outside the West.
The typical Zionist agent would not be foolish enough to give himself away easily, but you are not a particularly bright one. A zionist agent is going to espouse plenty of truth to establish rapport and then mislead.
This has nothing to do with being a Zionist agent. Just get lost. You and other criminal Zionists will not succeed, just lose. 99053
Posted by reader on Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:04 | # When it was first posted, Linder didn’t add the disclaimer that he received the letter in the mail. Incorrect. It originally appeared in a thread the title of which stated he had received the letter in the mail.
Damn right. Even if VNN is totally unsuccessful at what its trying to do (which hasn’t been demonstrated), at least its working toward the correct goals (unlike JIB/IAW).
No. These media are under heavy Jewish influence.
And you know this because DBS and Eric Hufschmid tell you this.
And, again, it’s pointless to start examining these issues, when (1) the site has already been discredited, and (2) you refuse to acknowledge the salience of blatant errors I’ve already pointed out to you.
Spoken like a true liberal. Real freedom of association must extend to housing, schooling, and employment.
And there’s an atmosphere in space? The sun is not a “bright light source” in the Moon landing photos? I find it hilarious that Hufschmid manages to use both the lack of visible stars and the fact that the Sun doesn’t wash out the photos as evidence the landings were faked. If you’re not following here, Erik, why don’t you go look up “exposure” as it relates to photography.
Who the fuck said anything about “genetic engineering”? The point is that tribal conflict goes deeper than just politics or culture. You would seem to prefer to ignore biology and obsess over a 19th-century political movement. Again, this is extremely odd considering your posting history prior to the last few weeks.
If by “capable of rational thought” you mean “easily duped by Hufschmid”, then sure.
You’re fooling no one, Erik. You claimed to be part Asian.
Forget about the alleged non-white wife for a moment. Find me some quotes from DBS stating “Euro preservation” is his central goal. Or even stating he views “Euro preservation” as legitimate.
Then why are you promoting him as a prophet on a site concerned with “genetic and cultural preservation of whites”?
Because racism is bad, mm’kay.
So the problem with Jews has nothing to do with EGI or the long history of anti-European Jewish tribalism. Jews are undesirable only to the degree they are potential “Zionists”. Great thinking, Erik.
Haha. If I’m “not bright”, what does that make you? You’ve shown yourself my inferior in reasoning ability and in every area of knowledge we’ve discussed (except maybe knowledge of received IAW dogma, which I quickly “remedied” with a few trips to the site). You claimed you were not “Erik Holland”, and lied so badly you confirmed the opposite. Keep telling yourself I’m a “not a particularly bright Zionist agent”. The truth should be obvious to any objective observer. 99054
Posted by reader on Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:17 | # A final point on the Moon photos (which is obvious to me, but might not be to a confused soul like Erik): even when the Sun doesn’t directly appear in the photos, bright sunlight is reflecting off the spacesuits and the lunar surface. If you tried to capture both the stars and brightly-lit objects in the foreground, you’d get washed-out photos. 99055
Posted by J Richards on Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:44 | # Reader,
Scimitar did not notice it at first and neither did Daniel J, Matra and Guessedworker. The addition may have been a while after the intial posting, and this is again a useless issue to be debating. Nothing will be gained by promoting the foulness in the letter. My own article on miscegenation will any day be much more effective.
This can only be written by a Zionist agent. Is exposing Zionism not working toward the right goal? VNN was set up about 5 years before IAW and has a lot more pages than IAW, yet IAW appears to be attracting greater traffic. IAW and VNN share the major goal of exposing Zionist criminality, but VNN could hardly hope to achieve what IAW has and will in the future.
And the Jews happen to be Zionists. This should be obvious. Notwithstanding their IQ advantage, there are so relatively few Ashkenazi in the U.S. that the number of whites with an IQ high enough to manage big media is absolutely much higher. Zionism explains why the MSM are almost totally under Zionist control.
No. I know this after going over the evidence for fake Nazis. DBS and Hufschmid are not the only people who have exposed Zionists setting up fake Nazis. Frank Weltner of Jewwatch has exposed fake Nazis set up by Zionists for a long time.
It is not pointless to examine the serious issues but the reality is that you cannot refute the gist of JI’s arguments about these big issues and hence have resorted to “discrediting” the site by picking on largely useless stuff, which is not going to work to dissuade the target audience of JI: the general public with a short attention span, aversion to scholarly arguments and a penchant for tabloid-style journalism. I have also extensively addressed the “salience” of the “blatant errors” you pointed out.
Spoken like a true Zionist. Even in an all-white society there will be potential issues such as discrimination on the basis of age, sex, sexual orientation, political ideology, religious denomination, etc. It is unfair for the majority to be tyrannized by a minority and a minority should be protected from the tyranny of the majority, too. Working out the nuances of how best to simultaneously balance freedom of association and prevent discrimination requires thinking beyond “I have the right to exclude others but others cannot exclude me,” but you Zionists are not expected to get this.
There is no atmosphere in space, but both your pictures were taken by satellites close to Earth’s surface and you can see light reflected from the Earth as a major bright light source occupying a substantial portion of the pictures. From the surface of a planet with no atmosphere, the sun is not a bright light source, as this rendering from NASA shows, and the Moon does a poor job at reflecting sunlight.
Hufschmid has offered a huge number of reasons to support his argument, just a few of which are: the technical impossibility of the project given 1960s engineering technology, the incapability of the Lunar module supposedly carrying the astronauts to have carried out its job, an astronaut easily deforming a pressurized space suit, astronauts largely avoiding the media and being nervous/stressed when facing the media after their “return” instead of being jubilant, a “bright sun” lighting up part of the surface but not a neighboring region, NASA recently using the Hubble telescope to look at ultraviolet light reflected from the moon in order to determine what types of minerals are on the surface of the moon (should have been assessed by the 400 kg of Moon rocks the Apollo astronauts “brought” with them), NASA planning on crashing (not landing) a probe on the moon in 2008 to determine if there is water there, NASA claiming to find Moon rocks in Antarctica, the moon having an albedo of 0.07 (a very poor reflector of sunlight), etc.
You claimed the real issues are of a biological nature. How does one take care of the biology aside from genetic engineering? My point was that exposing Zionist criminality is the way to go since the biological nature of Zionists cannot be changed. If removing Jews from the West is the solution, then this cannot be done unless Zionism is undermined, which requires exposing it to start with. Zionism may have recent formal origins, but the Zionist mindset is not new. It is found in the Old Testament and the Talmud.
Someone does not have to be an avowed Euro preservationist in order to be promoted by this site.
Because he is doing an excellent job at undermining Zionism, the single most important thing one could do to promote the genetic and cultural preservation of whites.
Anti-European tribalism is part of the Zionist ideology and one manifestation of this is the flooding of the U.S. with non-whites (K. MacDonald has documented this extensively), which has greatly undermined white American EGI.
I have shown myself to be an incompetent admin by letting an obvious Zionist agent attempt to mislead the reader and waste my time, of which I have so little to spare that it has taken me this long to respond. You have employed an arsenal of filthy techniques: straw men, character assassination rather than addressing someone’s arguments, attempted to foment discord, shifted the discussion to trivial issues such as the genealogy of Paris Hilton and off-topic issues such as the Apollo moon landings, etc. I am going to cut it short. Bring in more straw men, repeat that I am non-white, fail to address me by my proper name (JR), digress to off-topic issues or focus on trivialities, and you are outta here along with your comment. The Zionist ship is sinking and there is nothing you can do about it. The one thing you can do is to give up your criminality and repent. Otherwise, an eternity in Hell awaits you. Repent and perhaps you will go to Hell for a period commensurate with your sins. 99056
Posted by a saddened observer on Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:25 | # GW: what price expediency now? Something to consider when you wish to be honest about the blog. Oh, yes, a disclosure: I’m a zionist agent, a nasty Mossad infiltrator. And, no, I’m not “reader”, who is - obviously - not a “zionist agent”, for godssakes. 99057
Posted by Carlos W. Porter on Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:17 | # “You have cited an email message, supposedly by JI’s webmaster, at a website by Carlos Porter. There is no evidence that JI’s webmaster wrote it.” Skunkie’s writing style is usually very easy to spot because he is dyslexic, even if the crazy chronology, and the wild, weird and illogical nature of his writing, devoid of references or proof, do not tip you off. Post a comment:
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Posted by ben tillman on Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:28 | #
“The interesting thing about the Duke case that JI points out is that the alleged victim was offered $2 million early on to drop the charges. “
And this is the point. There is no evidence of such an offer.