The power of film

A few days ago my attention was drawn to Aaron Russo’s free upload to Google Video of his blockbuster documentary, America: Freedom to Fascism.  Whatever you think of the film itself, and the ten or twelve major issues it covers, it is one hell of a piece of propaganda.  It is immensely thought-provoking and entertaining throughout.  It is courageous, too - even when, as in Russo’s case, you have the IRS after you with $2 million dollars of leins in their bony hands.

Russo is a blunt, engaging fellow, if a little flaky.  He likes to tell the world that his past producing successors, Herp Alpert style, “included” Trading Places (a good earner but 1983!) and The Rose (Midler and it was all the way back in 1979!!).  He claims that AF2F premiered in Cannes, meaning we should think it was screened at Cannes.  Actually, he rented a portable system and showed the film to small audiences on the beach.

But never mind.  Because Russo is also extremely determined.  AF2F lays into the arcanery of the Federal Reserve’s founding with a will.  It questions the real whereabouts of the Fort Knox gold, the legality of Federal Income Tax, the massive abuse of power by the IRS (of course), the independence of judges (except those on the Supreme Court) and of Congress (except Ron Paul), and even open borders.  He socks it to the banking giants and politicians of yesterday, the New World Order of tomorrow, the planned National ID Card, and the frighteningly versatile Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology.  Along the way he gets threatened by a very reluctant and sinister spokeman for the Federal Reserve.  “You understand Yiddish don’t you,” this character says, and spits out a few funny words.  Aaron duly explains to us that he said, “No one will help you.”

Wrap it all up in a professionally scripted, shot and edited package and you have the best advertisement for libertarianism I have ever seen.  Whether it’s right on Federal Tax Law (or the absence thereof) I cannot say.  Certainly, it veers heavily towards agitprop, if not actually hysteria, on the dark machinations of government, secretive and manipulative bankers, and George Herbert Walker Bush’s upcoming NWO.  But I don’t mind.  When have any of these issues received such an airing in the past?  And from a Hollywood Jew?

Russo bases his more spectacular claims on things said to him in 2000 by one-time friend and apparent NWOer Nicholas Rockefeller.  These included remarks to the effect that second-wave feminism “was us”, and the elite’s long-term aim is a World Government with its boot on the throat of a compliant, micro-chipped proletariat.  But the best was this:-

There’s gonna be an event and out of that event we’re gonna invade Afghanistan so we can run pipelines through the Caspian sea, we can go into Iraq to take the oil and establish bases in the middle east and to make the middle east part of the new world order and we’re going to go after Venezuela - that’s what’s going to come out of this event”

On hearing these things, and without a thought for those IRS leins, our Aaron transmogrified into a crusader for freedom, a man with a respect for the Founding Fathers that he nurtures only second to his desire to tell us about it.

But nobody can question his committment.  He states plainly, and as a solemn promise to the American people, that he, Aaron Russo, will personally not allow the Great Conspiracy to succeed.  So he travels America screening his film where he can and shaking hands with whomever is curious enough to show up to see it.  He runs a very good website with supporting documentary videos and a blog complete with e-cards (nice idea), a blast at Wikipedia censorship, more video and a publicly-donated fighting fund heading for $500,000.

It is all impressive.  No, it’s more than that.  It’s a rather amazing effort by one extraordinarily energetic individual.  We may not learn too much from him factually.  But for anybody looking at ways to influence public opinion, the out-reach effort is wholly instructive.

I shall watch to see what happens to him and to the level of interest he is stirring up, over and above that already created by the Fair Tax movement.  Probably, he will exhaust himself or be brought down by the IRS.  But that, too, would hold a useful if sobering lesson for us.

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Is Russo generally a Jewish-Italian name?

Posted by daveg on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 06:58 AM | #


Russo has endorsed America’s greatest living legislator for the presidency:

http://www.rense.com/general75/arrp.htm

Posted by Amalek on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 10:41 AM | #


The work is tainted; he is a Jew.  Case closed.

Posted by who on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 12:02 PM | #


What a breath of fresh air. This was what LRC was like in its socially conservative anarchist days, before it got hijacked by the silly alliance with libertine lovers of gov’t power. I still read it occasionally, but only for Hoppe and prof. Anderson. What a waste of a good opportunity for non-neocon fusionism. If Russo manages to develop a following that opportunity might yet come again.

Posted by alex zeka on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 12:10 PM | #


The work is tainted; he is a Jew.  Case closed.

LOL. One day within the next few years Russo will realize he was recruited as an “energetic” Jew to join the ruling Jewish elite—and passed it up… dumbass.

Posted by ES on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 03:22 PM | #


who,

My post is not actually about your beloveds.  It is about the power of film, like the title says.

Russo is in the process of proving to us strugglers that some extremely “right-field” notions can be mass-communicated if the energy and professionalism exists.  That point holds true irrespective of the virtue of those notions and, indeed, of Russo’s ethnicity.

Posted by Guessedworker on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 03:40 PM | #


from http://www.taxanalysts.com/www/features.nsf/Articles/8427CB4FB27B2931852571CB005C6904?OpenDocument

Although Russo declined to discuss specifics of the film’s costs, some of his comments at the screening suggested that he is on the hook for a significant portion of a seven-figure price tag for the project.

Professional Producer + seven figures and you get something reasonable, but not spectacular, although there was definately some chuckles.

I found the stuff about the fed more interesting that the tax stuff.  I swear it would not be to hard to make something like this for the build up to the Iraq war.

Posted by daveg on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 07:07 PM | #


don’t forget the movie The Line in the Sand about the mexican invasion

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1451035544403625746

it was made on a small budget and the interviews with Chris Simcox and Glen Spencer are very good. The movie ends with Spencer saying there’s going to be a race war in the southwest

the best line of the movie : “You don’t make anything better by adding 30 millions mexicans to it, do you ?”

Posted by JB on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 10:58 PM | #


Hitchens’ offers some interesting thoughts on the removal of weapons, over the past 80 years, from the British citizenry. He does not address the issue of a changing demographic however concludes that;

Our freedom to defend ourselves against criminal violence is part of our general freedom to live our lives lawfully. We hire the police to help us enforce the law, not to tell us that we cannot do so. Sadly, the modern British law is not our law, but an elite law, based on ideas which most of us do not share. And the modern police are the elite’s police, not ours, which is one of the reasons why they have vanished from the streets, where we want them to be. The disarming of the people, and the cancellation of all their rights to defend themselves, are bad signs.

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2007/02/gun_law_and_com.html

The UK: From Liberalism to the Leviathan

Posted by Desmond Jones on Monday, February 26, 2007 at 11:18 PM | #


_Herp Alpert style_

I’m just curious about this reference? Spanish Flea?

“You know, I was the one who performed the theme music for _the dating game_.”

Posted by onetwothree on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 02:52 AM | #


That Peter Hitchens column cited by Desmond a couple of comments back is well worth reading in its entirety:  I just finished it and it’s a first-rate piece.  I highly recommend it, and thanks to Desmond for citing it.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 04:19 AM | #


Bingo, that’s it;
The Leviathan can not exist if it is not fed, in this instance it steals your efforts and wealth to feed it self, and creates a need to perpetuate new myths of security;( We will take care of it ) . Pigs ass.
Rip their bloody arms out of their sockets and hit them over the head with the wet end.( Old Army instructor threat)
The gun laws Fred, it is only designed to disarm us by statutory dictatorship, but all the other dirt bags and scum, it never applies to them.
Hell the scumbag Moslem shit here not only robs armored cars of their money, they rob them of their weapons, and they Rob our defense force of their weapons; (External contracting).
They have really well and truly fucked us over.

Posted by Andrew on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 06:40 AM | #


one two three

Herb Alpert built a long career on playing a selection of his famous “hit” singular.  Sorry if that was too abstruse.

Posted by Guessedworker on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 07:58 AM | #


Off-topic, but an interesting article from the AP:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070225/ap_en_ot/anti_semitic_cartoon

Anti-Jewish cartoon angers L.A. Koreans

Posted by Andy Wooster on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 12:23 PM | #


Also off topic, but gun control, at least here in the states is designed to remove the self-defense and military potential of the white middle and working class.  Washington DC is a good example.  No handguns can be legally owned there, but the blacks shoot each other all the time.  That is OK with the left.  Any sacrifice, even of their beloved minorities, is acceptable as long as they can keep firearms out of the hands of whites.  It goes hand in hand with never blaming minorities for crime, it is always racism, The Man, bad childhoods, etc...Left/liberals have also reserved a special hatred for the South because that is where the tradition and use of gun ownership in the US is strongest among whites.  Things in the US are not at the level of which Hitchens writes, but the Left would love to make it that way.  It was and is never about crime.  If there was actual, effective gun control, the way the Left and liberals want in the US, blacks would kill whites at even higher levels than today.  Just look at what they do to each other.

Posted by Sam on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 04:52 PM | #


That Peter Hitchens column cited by Desmond a couple of comments back is well worth reading in its entirety

Cue “wintermute” to warn us that because Hitchens is part-Jewish, we cannot trust a word he says.

Posted by Amalek on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 04:59 PM | #


GW

I was actually gonna try to get back to the point of your post…

I think although film is a great mass media, we need to use it to convince people to utilize the printed word.

I think film, on some level, encourages apathy because people watch a film and feel like something has been accomplished. Also, the sensory tickling one receives by the CRT causes a decrease in thought.

I think it makes effective propaganda but it is highly ineffective at communicating abstract ideas, philosophical subtleties and information of any depth and breadth.

We can show videos of the genocide of whites in South Africa over haunting piano melodies, or the filthy streets of Mexifornia to receiving audiences, but I think what it stirs in them isn’t able to overcome the Jew “mindblock” inculcated over decades of Jew media consumption.

I think the Holocaust sirens start flashing when anything even remotely “offensive” comes on the tube.

Posted by Daniel J on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 at 06:21 PM | #


Cue “wintermute” to warn us that because Hitchens is part-Jewish, we cannot trust a word he says.

Why cue me when Rnl, Jewry’s OTHER apolgist, has already written so intelligently on the subject?

“(i) his mother was Jewish; (ii) he married a Jewish woman; (iii) he claims that the British people owe a “moral debt” to Jews for failing to prevent the Jewish Holocaust; (iv) he claims that left-wing critics of Israel are anti-Semites. My argument is that (i) and (ii) have much to do with (iii) and (iv).

But let’s say I’m wrong. Both (iii) and (iv) remain false in any case, and (iii) is an especially contemptible Jewish libel. If Peter Hitchens is indeed a good British conservative, that doesn’t say much good about good British conservatives.

Not that there is anything good to be said about British conservatives, but if I were to write about that I’d be here all day.

Peter Hitchens is a good read for the ‘beautiful loser crowd’, who will remind everyone that everything they see around them is the work of invisible and inevitable social forces, having nothing to do with Britian’s atrocious conduct in both World Wars, the loss of her colonies as a direct result of the second of those wars, fifty years of their most powerful ideological and military neighbor, and therefore their exemplar leviathan, being the Soviet Union (a former ally), and the inability for any - any! - genuine rightist to enter public life because of the kind of propaganda being deployed after the war.

Hitchens will also neatly sidestep the prime question of the rottenness of the British life - their upper classes (i.e. their Hebraic descent), all of whom support maximal racial chaos with the same automaticity with which they drink, breathe, eat and digest. This interesting topic, discussed at length in the early twentieth century by Hillarie Belloc and in the middle of the twentieth century by Ezra Pound, goes undiscussed in Hitchens’ “Abolition of Britian”. Why is that?

Could it be because . . . *gasp* . . . Peter Hitchens is a Jew?

Like Ted Dalrymple, another member in good standing of “British Conservatism”, Hitchens is a Levantine who relentlessly de-Semitizes everything, rendering useful ideation or action impossible. He feeds the conservative hunger for bellyaching as well as the conservative desire not to think about anything too unpleasant. A conservative is a man who can look upon the end of his people and culture with equanimity, and the mass murder of Germans with equanimity, who can look upon his nations alliance with Stalin with equanimity, but who cannot - and will not - be faced with the facts about the Jews. Hence, the popularity of Peter Hitchens and Ted Dalrymple as figures whose job it is to read us to sleep. Or should I say eternal rest?

Nighty night!

In this, they conform to the pattern Anne Morrow Lindburgh records in her diary. It’s not that she doesn’t support her husband, you understand, it’s just that she would prefer it if this country were torn apart by war rather than become . . . “anti-Semitic”.  Here is Anne Lindbergh herself, setting a standard that all conservatives in the future will follow scrupulously:

September 14, 1941:

I cannot explain my revulsion of feeling by logic. Is it my lack of courage to face the problem? Is it my lack of vision and seeing the thing through? Or is my intuition founded on something profound and valid?

I do not know and am only very disturbed, which is upsetting for him. I have the greatest faith in him as a person—in his integrity, his courage, and his essential goodness, fairness, and kindness—his nobility really .... How then explain my profound feeling of grief about what he is doing? If what he said is the truth (and I am inclined to think it is), why was it wrong to state it? He was naming the groups that were pro-war. No one minds his naming the British or the Administration. But to name ‘Jew’ is un-American—even if it is done without hate or even criticism. Why?

Because it is segregating them as a group, setting the ground for anti-Semitism....

I say that I would prefer to see this country at war than shaken by violent anti-Semitism. (Because it seems to me that the kind of person the human being is turned into when the instinct of Jew-baiting is let loose is worse than the kind of person he becomes on the battlefield.)

Sound familiar?

All Jews know that they need only keep everyone quiet a little longer, and we will never bother them again. 

Amalek, you’re an apologist for Judah, have you read Peter Hitchens on Our Friend Israel? You might find it instructive:

Here is it, in the pages of The American Conservative:

This leads us to the uncomfortable truth—unwelcome to modern Zionists who shudder visibly at any mention of the word—that Israel is the last major European imperial colony on the face of the earth. In its struggle for survival in a world that already has enough reasons for disapproving of it, modern Israel has sought to stifle such thoughts.

But a European colony it is. What distinguishes Israel from its Arab neighbors is no longer its general prosperity and physical modernity. Oil has evened up these differences in the past decade, and, while serious squalor persists in many Arab countries, so do middle-class comfort and good, functioning services. The difference runs much deeper. Israel’s people are European by culture and law, imposing that culture and law on a region where cousin marriage and tribal loyalty are normal, while pluralism, tolerance, party politics, and the rule of law are abnormal. In this, the new state is the direct heir of the British officers who governed the area as undisguised colonists between the two global wars—and from whom it has inherited much of its legal system, not to mention a chain of imperial fortresses still used by the Israeli army.

This makes Israel the permanent ally, in the Middle East, of the world’s lawful and free countries. This alliance is based on cultural and political kinship, factors that cannot be altered by a tyrant’s death or a coup d’état. Washington may be able to buy the friendship of one Arab or Muslim regime or another with arms and cash. But as soon as that regime falls, the investment of years is wasted if the new rulers are hostile.

Peter Hitchens was a Trotskyist until 1975, and now a “conservative” who supports the War in Iraq. I fail to see how he differs one iota from his loathsome dipsomaniac brother, except that it is the dipsomaniac’s job is to manage the opininions of readers of the MSM while Peter’s job is narcoticize the remnants of the “right” with soporific lullabies of inevitable and causeless decline.

One should not wait for Peter Hitchens to start a ruckus about Gollanz or the powers behind the Boer War or Sasson interests in China or Israeli terrorism against the British or the actual circumstances of the Balfour declaration or how the Board of British Jews created ‘speech codes’ out of Group Libel Law, or even who created Group Libel Law, or why you are the only nation besides Israel that is harboring Russian oligarchs. Peter can rail on various American influence without ever mentioning how they came about.

In passing, I feel I should raise the question, what does Peter Hitchens think of the BNP?

I suppose I could spend a week on this topic but am beginning to regard the bulk of this board as ineducable. That obviously has something to do with management. The “light English” model has resulted in a plethora of “light Englishmen”, who will undoubtedly fight in the next war, as they did in the last, for the interests of Jewry and against the interests of their nation, their Race, their Civilization, and the world at large.

A conservative must have his priorities, which can be fairly translated as, a conservative must observe his proprieties. No one was ever a better example of the modern conservative than Anne Morrow Lindbergh. “I would rather see this country at war than shaken by anti-Semitism”.

Anne had her wish granted, she got to see three hundred thousand of her own countrymen slaughtered for no reason at all save to destroy their common Race and Civilization, and I feel sure that good, upstanding British conservatives - but most especially Peter Hitchens and Ted Dalrymple - will live to see their dearest wishes come to pass, as well.

Posted by wintermute on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 01:59 AM | #


Wintermute is surely correct in his estimates of the brothers Hitchens and Anthony Daniels (Dalrymple).

With regard to Daniels, even if he wished to raise the issue of Jewish culpability (and I’m sure he will do that when Iran’s Ahmadinejad sits shiva) it woudnt be possible in his column in The City Journal , which is owned by the Jew Hedge Fund operator, Bruce Kovner.

Daniels’ other outlet, The National Review, certainly wouldnt tolerate any truths about Jews, as the late, great Prof. Revilo Oliver learned when he was fired for pointing out the obvious depredations of the Chosen.

Posted by Al Ross on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 03:45 AM | #


“Could it be because . . . *gasp* . . . Peter Hitchens is a Jew? [...]

Like Ted Dalrymple, [...] Hitchens is a Levantine.

“(i) his mother was Jewish” (—WM)

The Hitchens brothers are not Jewish although for a while some years back Christopher — after making hatred of organized religion and of particularist ethnic identity one of his intellectual cornerstones his whole professional life — bizarrely pranced around proclaiming he was a Jew for some odd reason, made sentimental trips to Israel where he had mawkishly mystical experiences as he went about “discovering his Jewish roots” or some such, and generally acted like a moron over his discovery that his grandmother was Jewish (it was the brothers’ grandmother, not mother, who was Jewish).  When you’ve been raised in every way as an Englishman, have always believed yourself to be eactly that, an Englishman, then discover at age 30 or thereabouts that you had a Jewish grandmother, you do not suddenly become Jewish.  You are still a non-Jewish Englishman, one whose grandmother happens to have been Jewish. 

Wintermute, comrade, you’ve gone beyond rational fault-finding with certain Jewish behaviors into mystical antipathy toward the Hebrews and, in effect, attributing supernatural powers to them.  What I always fail to see in your analyses is account taken of the role played by Euros such as the Bushes and a billion others just as bad, who are smart enough, rich enough, privileged enough, educated enough, connected enough, aloof enough, and unafraid enough to know better and act better but who seem to find the mischief of the Euro-hating diaspora Jews exactly their cup of tea.  It’s as if what the Jews are up to is exactly what these Euros have been hoping for, praying for, dreaming of all their lives, so enthsiastically do they endorse it, flock to it, adopt it.  In absolute numbers in the U.S. there are six times as many Euros with IQs over 140 as Jews, and four times as many Euros with IQs over 145 as Jews.  Where are they in all this?  Why aren’t they all posting at MR.com?  They’re not controlled by Jews.  At the above IQ levels they are many times more numerous, in absolute numbers, than Jews, are not scared of Jews in the slightest, and are extremely happy with the appalling direction society is taking.  Euro-hating diaspora Jews do the mischief they can get away with and only the mischief they can get away with.  That these upper strata of Euros let them get away with their mischief isn’t because Jews are infinitely cunning or wave magic wands to lobotomize these otherswise smart Euros.  It’s because these smart Euros see not a thing wrong with what the Jews are up to.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 03:49 AM | #


Fred,

If the Hitchens boys had a Jewish maternal grandmother then their mother would be Jewish.

Posted by Al Ross on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 03:55 AM | #


OK, that means if they opt to move to Israel and become citizens there, the Israeli rabbis will let them in.  What else it means I don’t know, Al.  My father’s mother was Jewish, yet my father was Catholic and very German.  He was not Jewish in the slightest.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 04:11 AM | #


“Peter Hitchens was a Trotskyist until 1975, and now a “conservative” who supports the War in Iraq.”

This is simply false. CHRISTOPHER Hitchens is a leftist who supports the War in Iraq. PETER Hitchens, the conservative, opposed the War in Iraq from the start.

Posted by Steve Edwards on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 04:11 AM | #


Fred,
Christopher Hitchens is, I believe, a Balliol man and this civilizing influence might be what leads you to believe in his unassailable Englishness.

Here is another Balliol man who reached the heights of the English Establishment, namely, a knighthood and Grand Chaplaincy of the Grand Lodge of English Freemasonry :

http://www.mqmagazine.co.uk/issue-19/p-07.php?PHPSESSID=c59cd231db419873a6a6

Posted by Al Ross on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 04:54 AM | #


This is simply false. CHRISTOPHER Hitchens is a leftist who supports the War in Iraq. PETER Hitchens, the conservative, opposed the War in Iraq from the start.

The quoted material is not false. PETER Hitchens was a Trotskyist, and by his own admission a ‘revolutionary Marxist”, until 1975 - the same time most of the ‘neoconservatives’ abandoned Communism.

As to his opinon of Iraq, though it is not the whole story, he says in his pro-Israel article for The American Conservative:

“The recent Iraq war has done substantial damage to Israel’s hopes of survival, damage that was implicit in the pro-war case from the start. Those Zionists who supported the war made a serious mistake.”

To utilize Steve Edwards’ language, PETER Hitchens, the Jew, has been strategizing for the interests of Israel and the Diaspora from the start.

My father’s mother was Jewish, yet my father was Catholic and very German.  He was not Jewish in the slightest.

Is is frequent for a grandparent’s values to leap a generation.

As for you, Fred, you have asked me privately for ‘assistance’ in understanding whole contemporary poltical architecture holds together without being completely Jewish, and I explained it to you at some length.

Now, would you like me to reprint that letter here, or shall I? To your overblown claim that those 140+ IQ types were supposed to evince any resistance to Jewish indoctrination, I would ask, how?  They have no political articulation and worse, that they have been conditioned since childhood to hold opinons useful to Jews and no-one else. Has there been a television show or movie or newspaper or anything shy of a careful reading of Kevin MacDonald that might allow them to understand what is being done to them and to their people? They they are a people? That this people has any right to exist?

There is not . . . AND YOU KNOW THIS. I know you know this, since I explained it to you myself. Produce the letter or I will.

I see neither of you are interested in repeating for the gallery here what Peter Hitchens thinks, and says reguarly, about the BNP. Why is that? Are you more concerned with a case of ‘gotcha’ or a dreary litany about how it’s all our fault, so we must never think of the Jews as a single, co-ordinated agency?

I have three interlocuters here: one - Amalek - says, implicitly, that my case is ridiculous because if true, it would apply to Peter Hitchens. I have shown that it is true and that this poster deserves at the very least, persistant distrust. He is trying to obfuscate issues of life and death, so I have no doubt about my opinion of him.

The second, Scrooby, says that gentiles are to blame, and we must never never look at Jews as a group because what about all those awful gentiles, hmmmm?

To him, GW, Rnl, Amalak, and the rest of the beachball players at this site: I respond: why is “the good Muslim”, as a political concept, never deployed against those called for Muslim deportation?

Why is gentile complicity a mere auxiliary when we discuss fomenting anti-Muslim sentiment? Why is gentile complicity a mere auxiliary when Laurence Auster talks about his cordon sanitaire? I’ve never seen anyone here so DESPERATELY try to transfer the rhetorical force raised against Muslims to ‘gentile elties’ or some other utterly dishonest heat sink. No one writing about Muslim depredations has to put up with a site owner demanding, “Why not throw Joe Muslim on the bonfire” or an account of Muslim wrongdoing with the near universal mocking of “Surely not EVERY Muslim participates in beheadings, honor killings, jihad, chain immigration, advocacy for speech codes, subway bombings”, etc. You never hear, in that context, “Oh, they’re just advancing their ethnic interests” which is drawn up on this site, ALL THE TIME, to account for Jewish depredations. You never hear of Muslims, “it’s our fault” or “who brought them here?” or some other, utterly dishonest rhetorical move that has as its sole design transferring the proper hatred we feel towards Muslims towards ourselves, thus defusing any momentum we may have created towards doing something about Muslims.

Imagine if, in response to a long post about Muslim behavior over the ages, and their virulence today, newcomer Daniel J were to reply “that sounds whiny to me” . . . “like you’re sowing hopelessness”. Or a Bud White weighing in with his considerable erudition, “the poster seems unhinged about the whole Muslim question . . . maybe he is a Muslim overcome by self-loathing”. I would say rather that the poster would have good reasons for questioning the historical knowledge, and reasonableness, of his interlocuters, and of the general atmosphere that pervades their meeting-space.

To reprise:

Posts to the effect of “Muslims are awful” are met with replies that read, more or less, “Muslims are awful”. And so they are.

However, extremely detailed replies which read, “Jews are awful” are met with a hysterical crowd of deniers, tripping over each other to defend the Chosen Race: “Jews are individuals, like us. Can’t hold a few bad apple against them”; “Jews are only advancing their ethnic interests, which is what we want for ourselves”; “Jews are trustworthy”; “Jews are White”; “What about all the Good Jews”; “There are plenty of Jews who want what we want”; and all the variants on “It’s our fault”, “What about traitorous elites”, etc. Certainly one is never going to hear something as moronic as “Islamic power is on the wane, it has recently been exposed by Srdja Trofkovic” or some similar inanity.

“Conservatives” discussing the Jewish question are like Liberals talking about Blacks. Raise differential crime rates or test scores with a liberal, and they’re all on you in a second: “It’s more difficult for them”; “What about Slavery”; “White deserve what is happening to them”; “All races have bad apples”; “What about White Trash” - and so on. Can anyone here tell me how this differs in the least from majorityrights handling of the Jewish Question?

Nor are Edwards and Scrooby prepared to take on the rest of the indictments against PETER Hitchens: that Hitchens (i)attributes to invisible forces the result of real interests, real money and real political power, (ii) the lingering effects of Britian’s involvement in WWII, most importantly the loss of her colonies, her absolute subjection to American (Jewish) debts and financial powers and media, especially movies, (iii) the moral and psychological and political sequelae to having allied with Stalin in war against thier own blood and their own national and civilizational interests (iv) the moral and psychologial and political sequelae of living under the shadow of the Soviet power that they made omnipotent, and the effects of such close dealings with postwar France and Germany, who had also been cleansed of a single sane public thinker, during that period. It’s a wonder the UK isn’t Maoist today and (v) the absolute unthinkability for even one genuine rightist to enter public life in Britain because of that nation’s choices made during wartime. In order to salvage the tiny scrap of self-respect Britian retained (very little) it was necessary to turn WWII into a good-evil contest, with brave little Albion securing Poland’s rights. That little was said about the cowardly abandonment of Poland to Stalin at the end of her ‘finest hour’ is little commented upon, of course. It tends to open up unwelcome lines of inquiry.

As I said, all of this is missing from Hitchen’s “Abolition of Britian”.

Also missed by Edwards and Scrooby is the prime question of the rottenness of the British life - their upper classes (i.e. the Hebraic descent of their upper classes), all of whom support maximal racial chaos with the same automaticity with which they drink, breathe, eat and digest.

As I pointed out, this was discussed in the early twentieth century by Hillarie Belloc:

The Jew pointed to the English State as that one which all that his nation required of the goyim was to be
found. He here enjoyed a situation the like of which he could not hope to enjoy in any other country of the world.
All antagonism to him had died down. He was admitted to every institution in the State, a prominent member
of his nation became chief officer of the English Executive, and, an influence more subtle and penetrating,
marriages began to take place, wholesale, between what had been the aristocratic territorial families of this
country and the Jewish Commercial fortunes.

After two generations of this, with the opening of the twentieth century those of the great territorial English
families in which there was no Jewish blood was the exception.
In nearly all of them was the strain more oR less marked, in some of them so strong that though the name was still an English name and the traditions those of
a purely English lineage of the long past, the physique and character had become wholly Jewish and the
members of the family were taken for Jews whenever they traveled in countries where the gentry had not yet
suffered or enjoyed this admixture. whereby the British State was tacitly accepted by foreign governments as
the official protector of the Jews in other countries
.

This same topic was taken up in the middle of the twentieth century by Ezra Pound,

“For two centuries, ever since the brute Cromwell brought ‘em back into England, the kikes have sucked out your vitals. A mild penetration, for a hundred years they have bootlicked your nobility and now where is your nobility? You had at least the semblance of control; you had, let us say, some influence with the Lords of Judaea as long as they WANTED your titles, as long as Levy Levinstein Lawson WANTED to be addressed as Lord Burnham. You could turn the worst edge of their avarice, or rather you could turn it OFF, the upper or huppar clawses; and turn it ONTO the peer. As you did without mercy.

But when the same scroungers have moved over to New York City, how will you manage ‘em? The same bloody minded extortioners, or their descendents. The same FINANCIAL HOUSES.

Now the address is altered. Main office in Wall Street and Cohen in London. You send Willie over to spy on us. You send 5000 usurers’ pimps over to Washington and give special passports, diplomatic, to inveigle the United States into your plans to get cannon fodder from Idaho and from Iowa to weld your slaves collar on Europe. And this time you get dumped into the ash can.

[. . .]

Is there a RACE left in England? Has it ANY will left to survive? You can carry slaughter to Ireland. Will that save you? I doubt it. Nothing can save you, save a purge. Nothing can save you, save an affirmation that you are English.

Whore Belisha is NOT. Isaccs is not. No Sassoon is an Englishman, racially. No Rothschild is English, no Strakosch is English, no Roosevelt is English, no Baruch, Morgenthau, Cohen, Lehman, Warburg, Kuhn, Khan, Baruch, Schiff, Sieff, or Solomon was ever yet born Anglo-Saxon.

And it is for this filth that you fight. It is for this filth that you have murdered your empire, and it is this filth that elects your politicians.

You have lost your tradition. You have not even learned what Lord Byron told you. You are, as even that foul rag the Times tells you, a little late in making a start.

In the year 1942 Anno Domini, there is only one start you can make. And that is a start toward being England. A refusal to be a province of Israel, or an outpost of Yankee-Judaea.

I guess the people of the UK, firmly under control of the Jews, didn’t realize that by bringing all of Europe under Jewish control (American control, Soviet control . . . what difference?) that they were welding their own manacles.

To Pound’s statement beginning “WHORE Belisha is not . . . no Morgenthau, Baruch, Cohen, Warburg, Kuhn” must be added “no Ted Dalyrmple, no Peter Hitchens, no Christopher Hitchens”.

As I have said, all of this goes undiscussed in Hitchens’ “Abolition of Britian”. Peter Hitchens relentlessly deSemitizes everything: why is that?

Is there, as Fred Scrooby says, a supernational reason?

Or is it merely because Peter Hitchens is a Jew?

Though I stand accused of ‘mysticism’ and related unforgiveables, all I am presenting to this audience is biology.

Finally, Scrooby has attributed to me a quote from Rnl. He should read my posts more carefully. Perhaps he and Rnl can get into a row regarding Peter Hitchens, which seems much preferable to me having to enunciate, at tortured length and high volume, facts that a child would have no trouble understanding.

Well, an honest child at any rate.

Looking forward to those discussion of how Hitchen’s vociferous stance against the BNP is unrelated to his Chosenness. I’m sure there’s a good reason for a “British Conservative” decrying immigration reform from a nativist rather than economic standpoint, and I count on Amalek, Rnl, and Fred Scrooby to enlighten us to how that came about.

Posted by wintermute on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 05:52 AM | #


Steve,

Christopher Hitchens belongs on the pro-war, Right and for you to brand him a Leftist is rather surprising.

Hitchens has found a natural constituency among his fellow Semitically-descended neocon cognates and their monomaniacal control of US foreign policy has now accorded the US the same pariah status enjoyed by their Israeli homeland.

Apropos neocon idiocy,there are consequences for non-American White people which accrue from Jewish control of the US’s relations with the world.

As a longtime expat in South East Asia, I notice a visible relaxation in the demeanor of the local elites I encounter at clubs and formal social gatherings when I quickly inform them that I’m not American and that, with regard to Iraq, ‘the Jews are to blame’; this last has prompted gushing agreement from Malays and Indons and put everyone at ease.

Posted by Al Ross on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 06:06 AM | #


With regard to Daniels, even if he wished to raise the issue of Jewish culpability (and I’m sure he will do that when Iran’s Ahmadinejad sits shiva) it woudnt be possible in his column in The City Journal , which is owned by the Jew Hedge Fund operator, Bruce Kovner.

It’s not the operator of the City Journal that prevents Ted Dalrymple from telling the truth; it’s his own genetics:

http://www.heretical.com/ofarrell/godsgift.html

This brings me to the phenomenon of the “Jewish conservative”. There are a lot of them on both sides of the Atlantic: Mark Steyn in North America and Melanie Phillips in Britain, for example. But let’s look at a less famous one: Theodore Dalrymple, a dedicated chronicler of the life and crimes of the British “underclass”. I’ve read a lot of his articles, but even before I saw the blight and became an anti-Semite, I was growing more and more suspicious of him.

Why did he have a blind spot about race? Why did his writing make it so easy for middle-class Whites to dismiss working-class Whites as worthless? Why did he support non-white immigration, despite calling himself a conservative? When I became an anti-Semite, an answer was ready to hand: perhaps it’s because he’s a Jew. When I learned that his mother had been a refugee from Nazi Germany and his father a communist, I was almost certain of it. Turns out I was right: he is indeed a Jew and his real name is Anthony Daniels. Although lots of people write under pen-names, what’s characteristic of Jews is that they choose goyisch names to address the goyim. It’s a form of parasitic camouflage – what could be more White British than “Dalrymple”? – but there’s more to Anthony Daniels’ full pen-name than might immediately meet the eye.

“Theodore” literally means “God’s gift”. And Anthony Daniels certainly knew this when he adopted the pen-name, so I suspect that ole Jewish egomania was at work again. That ole Jewish smoke-and-mirrors certainly seems to be at work in Daniels’ writing. The vital importance of race is something Jews do their best to conceal, because they don’t want to stand out as different in the societies they parasitize. Sure enough, Theodore Dalrymple doesn’t think race should matter:

Primo Levi [another Jew] most movingly wrote that each person should be judged as an individual and that no person should be judged according to his membership of a race or nation. (Social Affairs Unit, 23rd September 2005)

This is wrong in several very important ways. First of all, character is not fixed or always easy to read: a non-white individual may behave well when surrounded by Whites, but reveal his true nature when his own race gains more power. He is also very likely to excuse and conceal bad behavior by his genetic kin, even if he himself does not join in. Not all Jews are actively harming Whites, for example, but almost all Jews are silent on the topic or helping in the cover-up. Furthermore, something called “reversion to the mean” spells doom for Theodore Dalrymple’s utopian advice that his White readers should judge by “content of character, not color of skin” (or size of nose). The children of an intelligent, well-behaved black will tend to revert to the disastrous black average for these traits, while the children of an unintelligent, criminal White will tend to revert to the society-sustaining White average. Individualism cannot work in racially mixed societies and Theodore Dalrymple’s attempts to pretend otherwise are typical Jewish flim-flam.
However, although Jews try to pretend race can safely be ignored, they stress the importance of ideology when the ideology in question threatens their interests. The prophet Muhammad, who encountered Jewish treachery and selfishness at first hand, was careful to warn his followers about the Jews and their true nature. This means that Islam, dangerous as it is in White nations, is admirably unblinkered on the Jewish question. And what is a major theme of Theodore Dalrymple’s writing? Why, it’s the Menace of the Mohammedans:

Two of Britain’s bombers, Richard Reid [the “shoe-bomber”] and Muktar Said-Ibrahim [a wannabe London bomber], converted or reconverted to Islam in prison. This is a very small number, of course, but it does not take large numbers of such people to effect a huge change in a country’s atmosphere. And the omens for the emergence of more of them are not good. The number of Muslim prisoners has risen sixfold over the past 15 years. With more than 4,000 such inmates they make up 70 per cent of prisoners from minority groups. They are mostly of Pakistani descent, and the relative absence of people of subcontinental origin who follow other religions is equally striking. (“Our prisons are fertile ground for cultivating suicide bombers”, The Times, London, 30th July 2005)

Anthony Daniels is laying lots of skillfully camouflaged eggs in conservative nests but what hatches from them isn’t conservatism at all. It’s the same race-denying individualism peddled to Whites by the liberals whom Daniels pretends to despise. Jews hate the idea of Whites taking a tour of reality without a friendly Jew to guide them. They might see things they aren’t supposed to see and reach conclusions they aren’t supposed to reach. Anthony Daniels has appointed himself God’s gift to the conservative goyim and in his way he’s even more of a threat than left-wing lunatics like Linda Bellos. She’s a wolf in wolf’s clothing; he’s a wolf in shepherd’s clothing. Which is easier to be on your guard against?

Posted by wintermute on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 06:14 AM | #


My bracketed comment on Daniels’ propensity for enunciating truths about Jews, should be considered as implying agreement with Wintermute’s thorough and precise ‘tour de horizon’.

Posted by Al Ross on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 06:57 AM | #


My father’s mother was Jewish, yet my father was Catholic and very German.  He was not Jewish in the slightest.

Is it “kosher” for Fred to admit to one Jewish grandparent when he leaves out the fact of two Jewish brothers-in-law (and therefore an undisclosed number of Jewish neices and nephews), as well as the fact that he had none but Jewish friends from the time he was a child to when he was a college student?

Does this seem like a person who is presenting himself honestly when he goes into conniptions regarding evidence of Jewish perfidy? Or just another schemer?

That’s not all, of course. Here’s Fred’s reply when he attempted to divert my own investigation into the Jewish Question:

I grew up in New York City and know Jews almost better than gentiles.  Growing up, my best friends were always Jews (except for one, a Catholic) from day one of first grade through the final year of college. I have Jewish ancestry at the grandparent level and two Jewish brothers-in-law.  (I’m Catholic, by the way.) I think it’s a mistake to suppose Jews are in control to the extent you seem to imply in some of your comments (unless I’m misinterpreting you—I apologize if I am).  Again, I haven’t read any books on this matter, whether MacDonald’s or anyone else’s, and of course I could be wrong.  If I am wrong, then what that means, obviously, is the game’s already up, because gentiles must be such unbelievably pathetic losers they have no hope whatsoever of freeing themselves from Jewish control.

The answer, Mr. Scrooby, is that gentiles are too trusting, not too stupid, as you imply in your attempt (the quoted letter above is two years old) to get me to drop the whole question.

By way of becoming less ‘stupid’ I would suggest that readers here both place Scrooby’s objections into the Vectorism camp (his utterances are designed to cause cognitive changes in you that are at variance with their purported meaning), and that they recall that two years of horse-faced bellowing on his part regarding the total innocence of Jews is nothing new. In his letter to me- two years ago - Scrooby makes a long list of gentiles who have not ‘uttered a peep’ regarding immigration and are therefore, to his mind, “equally guilty”. The Queen and Donald Trump are listed in bad gentiles division.

My response:

The Queen, Donald Trump, et. al. do not appear to have had a hand in the 1965 Immigration Act. The Queen, Donald Trump, et. al did not create the ideology of multiculturalism - like Horace Kallan, or race denial - as did Franz Boas, or the doctrines comprising “political correctness” - as did the all-Jewish Frankfurt School. They did not finance or propogate these ideologies. They did not punish the foes of these ideologies. They did not ban any back-talk in public. Rather, they just went along for the ride. From time to time, one will dissent - Dolly Parton, or Marlon Brando. Like Galileo, they are shown the instruments of torture, from which they shrink in terror.

How many European parliamentarians have lost their job in just the last year, for registering the smallest resistance to Jewry? I think a French MP went down just last week. Nobody wants the entire earth’s media - ten thousand Jews with megaphones - to start barking orders all at once. Most gentiles will do anything to avoid that unhappy fate, but a few imagine that there are places on earth where Jewish monitering doesn’t go on. Prince Harry learned the truth about gentile ‘privacy’ the hard way - and incidentally, afforded the Jews an opportunity to display their Doomsday Media Weapon once again. Was there a news outlet on earth which didn’t run the story above the fold?

Apropos of these examples, the list you present also does not create or patrol the permissible limits of dissent. Through effective control of press and publishing by their opposite number, most gentiles simply do not understand that there is an problem, or even an alternate point of view. Others, including many writers, members of Congress, etc. have been punished for wrongthink. The remainder have internalized the punishment, and that, combined with the suppression of alternate points of view, explains much of the silence and accomodation one sees.

Of course, all that could change in a heartbeat. Hence the panic and desperation of Jews, even at times - like now - of their greatest influence. You say gentiles are losers, but I think they are simply too trusting. That, combined with media control by hostile out-groups, leaves them in a vulnerable position. Also, ownership or control of something like half the world’s circulatiing capital does help grease the wheels on occasion, such as the purchase of trinkets like the Republican (half the public funds) and Democratic (3/4 the public funds) Parties, or the recent election in the Ukraine. The Jews are already taking their harvest on that one, having their personnel placed in critical postions by their new puppet. Soon, the Jews will also have the Americans fighting in Iran.

The other relevant bit of information is that Scrooby hasn’t, and won’t, present his own aggressively incorrect ideas to the challenge of those arguing the other side: he has read no Shahak, no Ginsburg, no Kevin MacDonald, no nothing:

It’s hard for me to discuss this topic of the extent of Jewish “control” when it comes up sometimes, because I haven’t read any of Kevin MacDonald’s books or the one by that professor Ginsburg you quoted from (the guy at Hopkins, I think you said), or in fact any book on this issue—haven’t read a single one

Am I the only person here who sees a discrepancy between Scrooby’s private admission that “it’s hard for him to discuss Jewish power” because he hasn’t read any of the books (in his own words: “haven’t read a single one"), and the fact that he has relentlessly, for at least two years, attempted to divert or deny or put on someone else the weight that belongs on Jewish shoulders?

I think that Scrooby is Exhibit A of how Jews manuever, and that he owes the entire board EGI info on his nephews and nieces, not to mention whether or not he himself has married into the Tribe.

My father’s mother was Jewish, yet my father was Catholic and very German.  He was not Jewish in the slightest.

Except that both of his daughters married Jews. Hardly “very German”, certainly not “very Catholic”.

In your letter to me, you further explained that if I would stop talking such nonsense, many Jews would cluster to my cause.

While you are explaining, Fred, be so good as to explain why so many Jews are needed in this cause anyway? If you haven’t, as you say, read the literature, how could you know but that every Jew or part Jew here might be working overtime to mislead every other poster who is working hard for the deliverance of his people? Can you say, honestly, that you aren’t?

I commend this whole issue to the attention of people here who are fixated on the idea of “good jews”. I replied, there may be such yet there is no way for a gentile to tell the difference between them. I offer the above as Exhibit A.

Posted by wintermute on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 09:20 AM | #


Since wintermute is a wily and literate advocate for ideas whose adoption led to the decimation of the best of North European manhood only two generations ago, I conclude he must certainly be jewish.  Could the proprietors please arrange for a small yellow star to appear next to each of his posts?

Posted by hiro protagonist on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 11:27 AM | #


The ideas which ‘hiro protagonist’ claims led to the suicidally insane internecine strife of World War Two must, I feel sure, be those of Herr Hitler, whose brazen effrontery in claiming that Germans had a right to their own ‘judenfrei’ country upset many racially-alien interlopers at the time and led to the Jew-organised stampede of Aryan cattle against a Germany struggling to be free.

Posted by Al Ross on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 01:40 PM | #


Mr IsrAel Ross is correct.  Credit is indeed due to the monorchic genius Mr Israel Schickelgruber for that fratricidal war; his masterstroke was allying himself with his bolshevik coreligionists in the USSR to invade Catholic Poland, having promised his shabbes goy Neville Chamberlain he would do no such thing.

Posted by hiro protagonist on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 02:17 PM | #


WM, isn’t a person supposed to request permission before publishing someone’s private e-mail to him?  I logged on just now to find excerpts from mine already published.  That’s all right — I didn’t see anything there of a confidential nature — but there’s a principle involved, no?  I realize we’re discussing important topics here but there are still standards, and aren’t we all gentlemen here?  I imagine what you did will put the damper on any enthusiasm others might have for corresponding with you in private:  they may wake up some morning to see the contents published. 

At the moment I’m rushing to get out the door and haven’t time for a long reply, but I’ll just say that if there’s some way to find all the comments posted at MR by an individual poster, anyone can look up a representative sampling of mine and see where I stand on some of the issues you discuss.  I don’t think many will come away disappointed — not among fans of this site, at any rate. 

I still haven’t read any of McDonald’s books though I’ve read several essays of his and have found them convincing.

There is no firmer opponent of forced race-replacement of Euros collectively, or of each Euro national group individually, than I.  Tons of people may equal me in my opposition to it; none surpasses me.

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 02:17 PM | #


I think wintermute should be a little easier on Fred.  Fred’s behavior is no different to that of many of the more responsible WN, who can’t quite grasp that this minority, Jews, can do it alone, without enormous gentile complicity.

Posted by Englander on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 03:00 PM | #


Jews do not need gentile complicity if they induce gentile unilateral disarmament. The simplest example, well documented by KMac, is “race does not exist”—buy into that, and one no longer opposes immigration or miscegenation or Jewish rule versus by that of your own.

Posted by ES on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 03:37 PM | #


Wintermute -

Fred’s come a long way in the last two years.  Unlike ol’ Polichinello, Fred seems to have managed to take that final leap of faith.  He’s one of us.

Posted by ben tillman on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 04:09 PM | #


Since wintermute is a wily and literate advocate for ideas whose adoption led to the decimation of the best of North European manhood only two generations ago, I conclude he must certainly be jewish.  Could the proprietors please arrange for a small yellow star to appear next to each of his posts?

Couldn’t the same be said regarding racialism in the American south and the Civil War? Racialism led to a terrible fratricidal war, so we should oppose racialism.  Anyone who doesn’t must support the slaughter of white Americans. 

Please explain the necessary logical connection between Antisemitism and Europeans killing each other. Why does the former necessitate the latter in your opinion? 

I suppose I could spend a week on this topic but am beginning to regard the bulk of this board as ineducable.

I’m certainly not ineducable. As recently as 6 months ago I made the embarrassing “But what about the good Jews” argument on this very site.  I have learned much since then, but I realize that there is still a great deal that I have yet to learn.  That’s why I’m here.  I, for one, hope that you continue to post regularly here.

Posted by Andy Wooster on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 04:52 PM | #


“Please explain the necessary logical connection between Antisemitism and Europeans killing each other. Why does the former necessitate the latter in your opinion?  “

There is no logical connection, and the former does not necessitate the other.  It is wintermute’s unequivocal admiration for Second World War Germany and its allies that makes me suspicious of his motives. 

They lost, after all, just as the CSA did.  But everyone loves a Beautiful Loser…

Posted by Hiro Protagonist on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 05:06 PM | #


It is not only only a question of whether we are ineducable, WM.  There is also the question of your educability, or otherwise.  Your presence here is of interest to me insofar as we may uncover the politics you espouse, beyond the JQ, and test the quality of the metal.

Critiquing a political model that is an extention of our adaptive social practice is a larger endeavour than just a one-line brush-off - particularly since you do not explain the attractions of your alternative.

So by all means explain.

Posted by Guessedworker on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 05:09 PM | #


Publishing Fred’s private email without his permission, then accusing him of being a schemer out on a two year mission to deceive the people on this site - that’s pretty low stuff, even coming from a character who thinks Nazi Germany was all sweetness and light. 

Fred, you’re a gem - keep it up!

Posted by Kulturkampf on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 06:11 PM | #


“For two centuries, ever since the brute Cromwell brought ‘em back into England, the kikes have sucked out your vitals.

Who moved Cromwell’s hand?

Posted by Desmond Jones on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 06:57 PM | #


Menassah ben Israel et al.

Posted by ben tillman on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 07:07 PM | #


It was a helluva plan getting that broken done ol’ nag, bound for the glue factory to declare over Poland. After all, the gallant Tommy and his loyal colonials were so easily victorious 20 years earlier. And once engaged, Guderian’s Panzers had kicked Tommy to the coast faster than you can say Wintermute, stopping only long enough for a wash and wax before they rolled into gay Paris.

Genious, absolute genious.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 07:14 PM | #


Menassah ben Israel et al.

Right. Power of the Jew controlled press no doubt.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 07:16 PM | #


From everything I’ve read here, I think most contributors have a good grasp on the JQ.

We need to differentiate between “there are good Jews” as a statement of fact and the idea that Jews should be considered as individuals in practical matters, as in how should they be treated.
There are good Jews, the vast majority of whom are not aware of what their group is responsible for. Most Jews are liberal for the same reasons that gentiles are drawn to liberalism, and that is because it seems like the right way to be. It appeals to the altruism of the intelligent. Their Jewish nationalism exists just as British or any other nationalism exists, or existed. They are not denied their ethnic interests so they do the natural thing and follow them. It is similar in that respect to the continued existence of black and other minority ethnic solidarity.
Of course, this situation exists because of arrogant and malicious Jews, but the majority of Jews are just going with the flow.
That’s how I see it, and I don’t think this is incompatible with wintermute’s outlook.

Posted by Englander on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 07:32 PM | #


Every “conservative” in America decries the destruction of our cities, the ruin of our educational system and the coarsening of our culture, and yet they all praise Martin Luther King and Brown v. Board, etc. The damage to our systems flows ineluctibly from MLK and Brown et al, but because the “conservatives” deny the reality of race, they can’t make the connection. Decryng the results of Jewish supremacy without naming the Jew strikes me as the same thing. The psychology is identical: why, I’m not a racist, I’m not anti-Semitic. I think wintermute is onto something, and I love the reaction he is getting. This whole episode reminds of of when Geoff Beck got flamed out of here.

Posted by jlh on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 07:58 PM | #


I must admit that the JQ strikes me as a very slippery and complex problem. 

At their best, some Jews choose to identify as white - as do individuals such as Lawrence Auster, Alexander Hart, Michael Levin.  However, this is only a recent phenomenon, linked to the harm they have faced through such things as affirmative action, minority crime, and, more abstractly, the anti-Western attitude of multiculturalists, with all that this implies for the general health of our civilization and those whom it sustains.  Personally, I have a lot of sympathy for the individuals in this camp.

At their worst, though, Jews are as anti-white as Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson on a bad day, but this animus is made an order of magnitude more dangerous by their intellectual capability and their ability to pass themselves off as members of the majority, while simultaneously working to undermine the interests of that majority.  Unfortunately, the members of this group far outnumber those in the opposite camp.

On balance, I’d say that the best grip I’ve managed to get on the JQ so far is that Jews should be regarded like any other ethnic minority - as being indifferent to the ethnic interests of the majority host population.  I say ‘indifferent’ rather than ‘hostile’ because most Jews are not engaged in the type of anti-majority capers that we see an Abe Foxman pulling off.  But at the same time, this comparison with other ethnic groups has to be made with reference to the net influence of politically active Jews on the ethnic interests of European man, which, when all things are taken into account, is more malign than the efforts of other minorities.

Posted by Kulturkampf on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 08:14 PM | #


Fred is ok by me.

The pro-Hitler stuff is just insane.

This what we should be concerned about:

1)shutting down all non-european immigration

2)Letting Jews understand in very strong terms that Euro-Americans are under no obligation to to give their allegiance to Israel and that we will no longer subsidize Isarel.

3)Kicking out a majority of asians,nigerians,jamaicans,gahnians,hindus, sihks ,chinese and muslims..before they kick us out. I suprised to see how many White Nationalist shy away from this.

4) if a majority of Euro-American Christians in their attempt to reclaim America are opposed by a majority of American Jews ,then it is very likely the ordinary American Jews will find life in America very difficult. We have a right to defend ourselves.

Hitler hated European Christians. The Nazis created Bosian muslim SS units to kill Serbian Christians

So what if Fred has a Jewish granny?

Fred, what do you think about my post?

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 09:14 PM | #


Why is gentile complicity a mere auxiliary when we discuss fomenting anti-Muslim sentiment? Why is gentile complicity a mere auxiliary when Laurence Auster talks about his cordon sanitaire? I’ve never seen anyone here so DESPERATELY try to transfer the rhetorical force raised against Muslims to ‘gentile elties’ or some other utterly dishonest heat sink. No one writing about Muslim depredations has to put up with a site owner demanding, “Why not throw Joe Muslim on the bonfire” or an account of Muslim wrongdoing with the near universal mocking of “Surely not EVERY Muslim participates in beheadings, honor killings, jihad, chain immigration, advocacy for speech codes, subway bombings”, etc. You never hear, in that context, “Oh, they’re just advancing their ethnic interests” which is drawn up on this site, ALL THE TIME, to account for Jewish depredations. You never hear of Muslims, “it’s our fault” or “who brought them here?” or some other, utterly dishonest rhetorical move that has as its sole design transferring the proper hatred we feel towards Muslims towards ourselves, thus defusing any momentum we may have created towards doing something about Muslims.

Bravo!

I say bravo, and addressing the issue of your whine. I meant you sounded like you were implying “we” (as in us at this forum) were powerless....

The issue would have been resolved if you had read my replies. I believe I even offered an apology.

I am resolute on the issue. Jews are to blame for the state we are in-let be clear-ENTIRELY.

They are in every position of power and manipulate Gentiles.

I was merely wondering how many people their are in power that know this and still collude.

I am most definitely in your camp and the aggression is unwarranted.

I’ll admit that I’m a newcomer, but an observant and aware one.

WM you are a purist and I have been that way my whole life, and due to the enormous perfidy of Jews I believe we must be that way!

I agree we can not compromise an inch.

Gentile controlled media, with Gentile controlled content that advances Gentile determined interests.

Posted by Daniel J on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 09:29 PM | #


Frank, Jewish activity has done more than anything else to make sure we can’t do 1, 2 and 3 and that it isn’t even possible in polite company to suggest it.

Posted by jlh on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 09:31 PM | #


Posts to the effect of “Muslims are awful” are met with replies that read, more or less, “Muslims are awful”. And so they are. -WM

Just to clarify… I never say that!

I constantly say the ‘terrible Muslim’ is an invention of Jews.

I don’t want to live with them, but I certainly don’t believe that they are complete animals.

Posted by Daniel J on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 09:33 PM | #


JLH, your article, Thomas E. Watson and Negro Legal Supremacy on your blog is masterful.

Posted by Englander on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 10:00 PM | #


yep…

Posted by Daniel J on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 10:10 PM | #


jhl

I agree with that. There maybe a growing number of Jews who want to see legal and illegal immigration shut down, but it wasn’t too long ago that these same ordinary Jews actively participated-for 60 years-in creating an atmosphere in which Eruo-Christian American dissidents are terrorized and punished for publicly speaking out and saying that they are not in favor of post -1965 LEGAL IMMIGRATION POLICY that is bringing about that annihilation of th Euro-American Christian population.

Euro-Christian Americans may very well find themselves without a nation because of post WW11 Jewish ethno -politics.

Fred what do you have to say about this?

Another question Fred, are you in favor off terminating the policy of sending billions of Euro-Christian Americans tax $$$$$$$ to Israel every year.

I have to be honest, if my children, nieces and nephews and I find ourselves reduced to a racial minority in America ,facing daily persecution by asians,africans,muslims and hispanics, I would very likely go after Jews. I am deadly serious about this.There is a limit to what I will put up with.

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 10:18 PM | #


I’ve never seen anyone here so DESPERATELY try to transfer the rhetorical force raised against Muslims to ‘gentile elties’ or some other utterly dishonest heat sink.

Obviously he hasn’t read much of the stuff on this site. Friedrich Braun, for one, has argued, quite eloquently, for an Islamic/Western alliance. Islam’s appeal to Himmler. The Nazis in North Africa, all here at MR. Too bad you missed it.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 at 10:55 PM | #


After his torrential effusions on the “JQ”, I think the learned wintermute should tell us what fraction of Jewish ancestry is the minimum to guarantee that everything you do, write and say will be dictated by the deadly determinative strain. One quarter? One sixteenth? One thirty twoth, like Peter Hitchens?

Didn’t the Germans have to prove freedom from the taint back to the 18C before they could get into the Waffen SS?

Wintermute ought to codify all this in a new set of Nuremberg Laws. Perhaps out of the goodness of his heart he will grant Fred Scrooby the status of “honorary white”, but you gotta earn it!

Posted by Amalek on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 01:52 AM | #


Wintermute ought to codify all this in a new set of Nuremberg Laws. 

Even if one disdains the JQ as you do, Amalek, the question of EGI still obtains.

Fred has a father, two brothers-in-law, and a lifetime of friends, who are Jewish. The fact of his brothers-in-law ancestry makes his nieces and nephews Jewish. I don’t think he can be honest any more than Scott McConnell can be honest, or John Derbyshire. People interested in the perpetuation of their Race Culture are, at a minimum, going to have to marry within that Race Culture or tell the truth when they are not.

Fred has provided no information about a wife, if there is one. He will not read any substantive work cataloguing the methods, goals, or accomplishments of Jews among strangers, an oddly monotonous tale. He regurgitates arguments that have been shown to be wrong, hoping that no-one is going to question him on his indefatigability, or even bettter, that they will take it for merit. Shown his error, he will not learn, and his sole purpose here seems to be - in the two years of my attendance - diverting or defering the emotional impact in gentile readers of what Jews have accomplished when they are trusted. Now here he is, running the same interference pattern for them that I called him on two years ago. He has neither availed himself of information that might change his outlook, nor has he apologized for ignoring the main point of those critiques: he just charges on ahead. It’s the gentiles! It’s the gentiles! It’s the gentiles!

To be fair, his singing voice forms a nicely congruent choir with many personalities here at majorityrights. Still, to my antiquated notions of honesty, he is somewhat less than honest in his protests. Let him come clean with information about his wife (if there is one), children (if there are any), and neices and nephews. An EGI profile of such a determined contributor should be of interest to anyone who takes what we are talking about seriously.

Of course, maybe I’m wrong about all of this. Maybe Scott McConnell’s East Asian wife makes him eager for the day Whites wake up to their EGI. Maybe Derbyshire’s Chinese wife and children add that extra oomph when he is pissing on MacDonald’s book in public.

Am I amiss in assuming that their affiliative attachments and their own children are going to have no effect on their thought, writing, and political activity? Obviously not.

If you wish to make the case that the ethnic make-up of one’s own children isn’t going to have an effect, a deep emotional and intellectual effect, on ones approach to cosmopolitanism or nationalism, please do so. It wouldn’t be any more moronic than anything else you’ve written.

You have already produced one risible thesis in response to this post: the Peter Hitchens’ ancestry has no bearing on his opinions, and in this you have been proved disastrously wrong - at length.

It’s not just you - no one on this site seems to want to discuss how Peter Hitchens came to his opinions of the BNP, of Britain’s “moral responsibility for the Holocaust”, etc.

Frank will want to dismiss it as Hitchens has a Jewish gradma, so what? But then he ignores the wife . . . and children if there are any. 

Having shied away from the implications of your first question here, re: Hitchens, I fully expect you to shy away from the second. Wintermute provide blood laws? Let’s examine the Amalek take on it first before I provide learned commentary:

Blood laws will not be needed; enculturation is everything; it is not an ingrained human habit to identify with ancestry first and foremost; the race of one’s spouse cannot affect one’s cognition about these issues, much less so the race and safety of one’s children, or one’s nephews and nieces, or even oneself!

Since, Amalek, it is your ‘blood rules’ and not mine, that hold sway in the modern world, perhaps you will be so good as to tell me: what on earth are you doing at this website complaining about world conditions? Your ‘see-no-ancestry’ approach to government, media, law and the rest has delievered to you the world that you live in. Do you have some complaint about it? A complaint that, say, does not require recourse to people of one blood occupying the same polity with no outsiders making policy or opinion for them?

Then you have two problems: show how this system will work, and what it will lead to given time (you may look outside the window for your answer if you find the topic mentally taxing) and also, if there is any blank space left on your examination page, perhaps you can tell us, given your ‘see-no-race’ approach to in-group formation, what exactly it is you object to in the architecture of political power in the modern world?

Finally, you are welcome for the information about Peter Hitchens. From you comment, you seemed in desperate need of some clues about how his biography and his ideology so neatly complement each other.

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 05:58 AM | #


The damage to our systems flows ineluctibly from MLK and Brown et al, but because the “conservatives” deny the reality of race, they can’t make the connection.

Except the race here isn’t Black: the “Brown” from Brown v. Board of Education was a Jewess.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=12245

Esther Swirk Brown wasn’t the Brown for whom the landmark U.S. Supreme Court case desegregating schools is named — but she is the Jewish woman who helped find Oliver Brown, no relation, to be the lead plaintiff in the historic case.

As a young woman in Kansas, Esther Brown was horrified by the conditions of the school that black children, including the children of her housekeeper, were forced to attend. The one-room schoolhouse in South Park had dilapidated walls and missing light bulbs.

“She went to a school board meeting to press for equal education and was told to go home and mind her own business,” said Miriam Katz, who impersonates Brown as part of a one-woman show honoring historic American women that is touring the Midwest.

Instead, Esther Brown stopped black children from attending the school, choosing to home school them in her own house and getting friends to serve as other teachers.

When she took her fight statewide to the capital in Topeka, she met Linda Brown, a young girl, and raised money so that Linda Brown’s father, Oliver, could sue the city’s board of education.

“She just wanted rights for everybody,” Katz said. “Maybe she felt like she had to make things right.”

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:09 AM | #


On balance, I’d say that the best grip I’ve managed to get on the JQ so far is that Jews should be regarded like any other ethnic minority - as being indifferent to the ethnic interests of the majority host population.

Another graduate of the ‘light English’ model.

I say ‘indifferent’ rather than ‘hostile’ because most Jews are not engaged in the type of anti-majority capers that we see an Abe Foxman pulling off.

I suppose Abe Foxman’s sixty million dollar annual budget falls from the sky, like manna.

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:13 AM | #


Possibly the question should be asked why support of the BNP should even entertained when Mark Collet is preaching integration during a meet the Muslims moment and the BNP’ s Lee Barnes is preaching solidarity with Israel.

The fact that ‘Nationalists’ are busy using the same facile, emotive and asinine language as the allegedly ‘Zionist controlled media’ in their increasingly shrill reportage on the dispute in the nationalist movement, shows how far they have become lost in their own political psychosis. The fact that the British media has become the European propaganda wing of Hezbollah and churns out endless montages of wounded children, old men and women whilst never showing any footage of dead Hezbollah terrorists, blown up Hezbollah weapons dumps and footage of bombed Hezbollah camps should get some people thinking.

Media control

For decades the lunatic fringe of the Nationalist movement has said that the media is controlled by the ‘Jews’ and Israel. The reports from the BBC, and the rest of the British media, are so anti-Israel and pro-Hezbollah that such a contention has been revealed to be total rubbish.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone2.php?leeId=80

Posted by Desmond Jones on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:29 AM | #


I suppose Abe Foxman’s sixty million dollar annual budget falls from the sky, like manna.
Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:13 AM | #

HAHA!

Now that was a knee-slapper…

Posted by Daniel J on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:29 AM | #


Fred’s come a long way in the last two years.  Unlike ol’ Polichinello, Fred seems to have managed to take that final leap of faith.  He’s one of us.

How has he come a long way in the last two years?

Two years ago, he was vehemently denouncing the treasonous elites, who were merely a matrix within Jewry operated.

He wrote me, admitting that my posts puzzled him and that he had not read Shahak, Goldberg, Ginsberg, MacDonald, et. al.

Now, two years later, he is selling the same bill of goods exactly. What has changed? He still admits that he hasn’t read anything that would make him competent to judge the situation, and he still pushes the ‘gentile elite’ angle in high dudgeon.

If he hasn’t read anything in two years, if he ignores correction from those who are better informed, and presses for the emphasis on rogue elites - just as he did two years ago - how has he changed? Copping to a ‘few bad Jewish apples’ doesn’t cut it. 

Indeed, that position is probably more damaging than an outright lie, which at least everyone would recognize right away.

I’ll put the same question to you as I did to Amalek: is your ancestry, the family your sisters have married into, your wife, your children, your nieces or your nephews going to have a foundational effect on your thought? You’ve read Salter, MacDonald, and much more. Am I wrong to classify Fred with Scott McConnell and John Derbyshire? And if so, why?

What do you make of Scrooby’s attempts to clear the record of the Hitchens brothers, the more “conservative” of whom thinks criticism of Israel is tantamount to anti-Semitism?

Is my analysis of Hitchens correct, or is Scrooby’s? And why would Scrooby (and Amalek!) be so agitated at the public ID’ing of quarter Jews? ( Peter H’s wife must also be kept in mind) Amalek, I don’t know - Scrooby I do.

I’m certainly curious about your take on the matter.

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:36 AM | #


It is not only only a question of whether we are ineducable, WM.

I didn’t mean you, GW. I have great hopes for you.

There is also the question of your educability, or otherwise.

I have always regarded myself as educable, one is even tempted to say ostentatiously so.

Your presence here is of interest to me insofar as we may uncover the politics you espouse, beyond the JQ, and test the quality of the metal.

You have already been presented with an opportunity to critique my supreme political objective to place Italian parliamentarian Cicciolina on the throne of a revivified Heiliges Römisches Reich. Since there was no objection given, I assumed you shared this dream with me.

Critiquing a political model that is an extention of our adaptive social practice is a larger endeavour than just a one-line brush-off - particularly since you do not explain the attractions of your alternative.

So by all means explain.

Perhaps I am not as educable as I think. In my understanding of your question, you have already recieved a very lengthy answer the other day. Is this not so?

If you want something more specific, you are going to have to be more specific in your questions.

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 07:06 AM | #


Scott McConnell has written that anyone in the immigration reform movement concerned about the the demographic consequences of immigration should be denounced and driven out of immigration reform movement

European men should not be marrying asian women.

It is not Fred’s fault that his sisters married Jewish.

Didn’t Scott McConnel viciously attack Jared Taylor in the pages of the American Conservative?

If I had to guess, I would say that Derbyshire beleives he married into the asian master race and that he wouldn’t mind seeing America asianized.

Derbyshire,his Chinese child bride and his half -breed offspring do not belong in OUR AMERICA. I will never recognize Derbyshire,his Chinese child bride and his half- breed offspring as Americans.

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 12:39 PM | #


Didn’t Prof. MacDonald write that pressures from organized Jewry were necessary to an understanding of what’s going on, but were not sufficient?  If what he had in mind by “not sufficient” was the behavior of Euro élites, who had the knowledge, intelligence, and power to behave otherwise than how they were behaving, what’s so wrong with making comments such as this for example?

Posted by Fred Scrooby on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 01:30 PM | #


I agree Fred. Some people want to give excuses to Euro-Americans to do nothing.

No one has put gun to the heads of millions of Euro-Christian males and forced them to sit around for hours every Sunday in the fall worshipping young mutimillionaire niggers in tight spandex chasing a ball...they do this in front of their wives and daughters!!!!!!

Just look at the commercials during football season. The theme of every commercial is that the sports addicted,jock sniffing White male whose wife lies either in bed with or sits in the arms of a big strong jock-I’m not makig this up this-is now the normal stae of affairs.

I will no longer give Euro-Christain males any more excuses.

At least muslim men have the balls to fight back aginst their enemy

Posted by Frank McGuckin on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 01:51 PM | #


Fred,

I see five historical contributors to the current crisis, all entwined with one another and with the sixth, which is Jewish ethnic self-advancement.

First and greatest, the victory of liberalism over Conservatism and Monarchism; second, the subsequent development of a societally-dissonant elite; third, the implosion of Christian faith; fourth, industrial urbanisation; fifth, the wars of the 20th Century.

This is not to say that WM has a hold on just one-sixth of our troubles.  It’s more than that, but it is still partial.

We all know it, really - though some of us might be seduced for a time by righteous anger or by other, baser impulses.

On that latter score, I might add that I spend a good deal of time pointing out the clear tendency of leftists - being self-haters - to transfer that hatred to the nearest available object, that being their own people.  Hence the vile and semi-articulate explosions of anger, the cries of “racist” and “Nazi” when they are confronted with reasoned rebuttals.  But this subtle tendency to transfer negativity out of oneself and onto another, this vain attempt at self-healing, is something I observe also among our own kind.  Beware the deceptions of anger.

As for WM himself, I find his treatment of you, Fred, and of my sometime critic Amalek unnecessary and in poor taste.  For me, it spectacularly demostrates the self-destructiveness that a total concentration on Jewry produces, and which he and I argued to, naturally, no conclusion when he, along with you Fred, first discovered MR over two years ago.

As much as I respect his scholarship and know him to be a fine man - and enjoy the occasional private correspondence we have (which I wish to remain private, btw) - I find I have to guide him a little along the path of fellowship if he seriously wants to participate on these threads.

If we, given our reasonable intelligence and our stated committments, can only treat one another with ill-will, what chance do our people have of coming together for their own salvation?

Posted by Guessedworker on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 02:13 PM | #


“I see five historical contributors to the current crisis, all entwined with one another and with the sixth, which is Jewish ethnic self-advancement.

First and greatest, the victory of liberalism over Conservatism and Monarchism;"--Guessedworker

How true!


The Rise of Radical Liberalism and the Decline of Rational Thought
By Peter Hansen

This article is the first of several that will take a close look at what I believe are two related phenomena in this nation’s history: the rise of radical liberalism and the simultaneous decline of rational thought.  For some time now I have been contemplating the evolution and various incarnations of liberal thought in the history of this country.  Having a background and interest in education, I have also been keenly interested in the rampant decline of rational thought evidenced by falling test scores, failed educational policies, and an overall impoverishment in scholarship and intellectual rigor in the last century.  Political philosopher, Allan Bloom, has described and documented this decline as “The closing of the American mind.” It is my belief that these two phenomena are intricately related, and I offer my thoughts and analysis, not as a definitive statement or as partisan propaganda, but as an attempt to “connect the dots” for those who are willing to listen.

The term “liberal,” in its original Greek meaning, refers to the free man as distinguished from the slave.  Building upon this fundamental distinction, medieval universities established the “liberal arts” curriculum consisting of the types of studies required to uphold, sustain, perpetuate, and defend freedom and civilization from the onslaught of an ever-present barbarism, which threatened to engulf Western Europe throughout its history.

In the 17th and 18th centuries, the term “liberal” became associated with a particular kind of social and political philosophy espoused by British and Continental thinkers such as John Locke, Baron de Montesquieu, David Hume, and Adam Smith, and American thinkers such as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.  In essence, these classical liberal thinkers were committed to three types of freedom: economic freedom, political freedom, and freedom of speech and religion.  For classical liberalism, freedom meant severely limiting the power and scope of invasive government, thus increasing the scope for individual and private action.

The kind of classical liberal philosophy just described went through two revolutionary changes in the twentieth century.  The first change took place in the 1930s, was precipitated by the economic collapse known as the Great Depression, and is embodied in the New Deal policies of FDR.  The FDR revolution was based on the dubious assumption that social liberties are meaningless without life’s basic necessities and amenities.  Therefore, in an attempt to secure freedom for its citizens, the federal government under FDR assumed an active role in protecting people against various forms of deprivation such as loss of job, impoverished old age, and debilitating disease. Thus, ironically and almost overnight, Liberalism moved from a “hands off” political philosophy to a “hands on,” cradle-to-grave political philosophy.

The second major revolutionary change in liberal thought took place in the 1960s, was precipitated by the collapse of belief in objective truth and morality, and was embodied in the attempt by radical special interest groups—feminists, pacifists, homosexuals, militant black supremacists, earth worshipping environmentalists, anti-capitalist socialists etc.—to seek “liberation” from what they considered narrow and oppressive traditional moral strictures.  Though a far cry from the classical liberalism of the founding fathers, the radical liberalism of the sixties does find its roots in a close relative of the classical liberal tradition.  However, rather than following Locke, Jefferson, and Madison, modern liberal thought finds its primary fountainhead in the writings of the Romantic enlightenment philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778).

Modern liberalism has followed Rousseau in three major social directions.  First, Rousseau espoused a philosophy of inner moral freedom that denied the existence of any kind of external moral order that makes demands upon the moral agent.  He argued for the sovereignty of the inner self over and against the sovereignty of any outside external moral authority—God, church, state, society, parents, etc.  For Rousseau, morality consists not in the following of external authorities but in being true to oneself; digging deep within oneself and listening to the voice of nature.  This kind of thinking is a recipe for moral relativism and thus played directly into the hands of politically radical fringe minority groups who sought a radical moral and social revolution that would empower them and give social legitimacy to their “alternative” lifestyles and beliefs.

Secondly, Rousseau’s theory of the social contract included a mystical notion of a “general will” which required an unaccountable power elite to interpret and impose this will, by force if necessary (i.e. “Men are everywhere in chains, and must be compelled to be free.”).  This strand of Rousseau’s thought has found expression in the strategic liberal hijacking of the media, college campuses, pop culture, and especially, the oligarchical court systems.  It is through control of these opinion shaping and policy making institutions that the radical liberals have dogmatically imposed their revolutionary ideas on millions of unsuspecting Americans.  For example, the liberal media has systematically silenced opposition to their agenda by unfairly labeling people “bigots,” “racists,” “misogynists,” and “homophobes” for disagreeing with established liberal orthodoxy.  Even more egregious is the Supreme Court’s undemocratic and dogmatic imposition of a liberal moral and social agenda on American society by inventing constitutional rights to kill unborn children, engage in homosexual sex, and discriminate on the basis of race through affirmative action programs.

Thirdly, modern liberalism has followed Rousseau in his view of human nature as innately good.  Because human beings are inherently good, society is at fault when humans behave badly.  People who fail or do bad things are not acting out of laziness or wickedness; rather, it is society that has put them in this unfortunate position.  Thus, rehabilitation, not justice, is needed in the criminal system, and affirmative action not color blindness is needed in the marketplace and college campuses.

Also, because people are innately good, liberals hold, the great conflicts of the world are not conflicts between good and evil; rather, they arise out of misunderstandings.  Thus force is almost never justified, and conflicts should only be corrected by diplomatic negotiations, compromise, and mediation through impotent groups like the United Nations.

In summary, liberalism has undergone many changes to become what it is today.  By far, however, the greatest changes took place within the last century.  The modern liberal philosophy is a combination of Rousseau’s radical views of morality, society, and human nature, FDR’s beliefs in the necessity of big proactive government, and the radical counter cultural movements of the 60s.  Richard Nixon once described the liberal Democrats as the party of “acid, amnesty, and abortion.” Unfortunately, his remark hits very close to the mark.  Despite its grand claims to stand for social justice and the common working American, today’s liberalism seems to be characterized by an almost pathological hostility to America, capitalism, and traditional moral values.

The last two weeks I took a brief look at the evolutionary history of liberal thought in America.  This week I would like to explore the emergence of modern liberalism within the much larger philosophical and spiritual context within which modern liberalism has flourished. It is no secret that for the past 200 years, the intellectual fabric of western civilization has been slowly unraveling due to the influence of three philosophical movements known as romanticism, existentialism, and postmodernism.  It is my belief that modern liberalism is the heir of these bankrupt and irrational worldviews.

Previously, I highlighted how Rousseauean romanticism played a significant role in establishing the philosophical foundations of modern liberalism.  In their rejection of Enlightenment rationalism, the romantics cultivated subjectivity, personal experience, irrationalism, and intense emotion.  Internalizing morality, the romantics maintained that self-fulfillment was the only universal moral duty.  This kind of fuzzy-headed, feel-good moral reasoning is the essence of the modern liberal ethos and is the manifestation of the 1960s moral revolution in the name of self-fulfillment, authenticity, and being “true” to oneself.  Liberal advocates of no fault divorce laws and divorce on demand justify their views on the grounds that it is unreasonable to expect people to stay married if that marriage is difficult or if one party feels unfulfilled.  As for children, they are rarely considered a sufficient reason to keep the marriage together.  After all, how could children possibly be happy if mommy or daddy isn’t personally fulfilled in life?  In the same way, abortion advocates continue to justify the murdering of unborn children on the grounds that having a baby might interfere with a woman’s self-fulfillment.  Liberal apologists of euthanasia believe that those unable to pursue a self-directed life of “quality” are better off dead.  This kind of moral reasoning is a bona fide slippery slope to complete moral anarchy.  It is used to justify gay marriage, polygamy, sodomy, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, rape, murder, torture, cannibalism (its all a matter of taste anyway!) and every other detestable and anti social human vice that can be imagined.

In following romanticism, modern liberalism (and libertarianism for that matter) jettison reasonable public moral standards in favor of “self-fulfillment” and hence demonstrate that they do not have the philosophical gonads for dealing with society’s toughest moral issues.  The only moral criteria liberal logic allows is, as Janis Joplin so aptly put it, “Ya know you got it if it makes you feel good.”

Another major philosophical influence on modern liberalism is existentialism.  Simply put, existentialists maintain that there is no inherent meaning or purpose in life.  There is no God and thus life is ultimately absurd, and the only way to have meaning is to create it for oneself.  A person creates his own personal meaning and purpose when he lives “authentically;” that is, when he makes free and deliberate choices.  However, meaning and purpose remain private, personal, and disconnected from any kind of objective truth or meaning.

Existentialism provides the philosophical rationale for relativism.  Since everyone creates their own meaning, every meaning is equally valid.  Truth is private and personal, not public and perspicuous.  There is no truth “out there,” rather truth can only be found inside yourself as you live each day making free and deliberate choices.  It does not matter what you choose, just as long as you authenticate yourself by making free choices.  The familiar existentialist mantra is “What’s true for you may not be true for me.” The best example of this ethic can be found in the attempt by modern liberals to label advocates of abortion, “pro-choice.” For modern liberals, it makes little difference what a woman decides, only that she make a free and authentic choice to give birth or abort her child.  Whatever she chooses is right—for her......full article--
http://www.nationalcoalition.org/culture/articles/ga040301.html

Posted by Tommy G on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 03:13 PM | #


I like Wintermute’s posts.  The message that I like best is: the overwhelming majority of Whites do not know about the JQ, and those that do are quickly and fiercely silenced.  What everyone here must understand is that Whites cannot act properly until they have the information that continues to be restricted by the MSM; they cannot stop hurting other Whites until they know the truth.  Until White leaders have full information on JQ, they are simply, “useful idiots.” It is not fair to judge a White without considering this.

Posted by Robert of the Rohorrim on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:17 PM | #


First and greatest, the victory of liberalism over Conservatism and Monarchism; second, the subsequent development of a societally-dissonant elite; third, the implosion of Christian faith; fourth, industrial urbanisation; fifth, the wars of the 20th Century.

Ah, the old bugbear: liberalism.

Let’s not forget the development of the enormous wealth and therefore leisure of the G-8 nations, the metastisization of “captialism"to a totalizing ideology, the rise of aggressive ideologies of free trade, the rise of the NGOs, feminism as Women’s Studies on campus and Title IX as Federal legislation, the Civil Rights media coverage and reporting, the decline of the family, which, combined with economic mobility, has resulted in the total atomization of the individual, ideologies of racial nihilism, the deleterious effects of television and public schooling, the inability or unwillingness of the United States to become anti-Communist at the level of public sentiment, the persistence of the Beatitutes as guides to behavior, even in the non-Christian (blessed are the poor, first shall be last, sell all you own, turn the other cheek), and finally the massive increase in non White populations attendant upon busybody American relief agencies and technology transfer.

I can assure you that, lacking Jews, many of these would not be problems and that the others would be discussed as problems, publicly, well on their way to being addresssed.

Jews operate like an immune supressant; as with any other virus, once the immune system is in check, ambient pathogens will replicate wildly and killer cells will recieve instruction to remain dormant. Which is pretty much what I’m getting from the crowd here.

Remain dormant: HIV is not the problem, feline leukemia is the problem. HIV is a harmless pathogen that only seeks to replicate itself. It is not our target.

That’s an example of the sort of meta-instruction I get from MR every day. My sensible counter instruction, stop HIV from replicating and your system will return to normal, is regarded by denizens here as either magic, witchdoctory, or dementia.

Still, one has a moral duty to speak to the mad, especially when they are in mortal danger. It may not do much good, but there you go.

An instructive example:

Consider the attempt to demonize Communism in public life in America. It was thwarted by Jews so powerfully McCarthy had to hire one (Kohn) just to make himself look kosher. It didn’t help, any more than the list of names he waved around being correct helped him. When the truth is no defense, look around for a jew.

Nixon on red baiting:

Oh yeah, I know, I know, I know, but it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a bad thing for us. It’s a bad thing for us. It’s a bad thing. Maybe we’ll be lucky for once. Many Jews in the Communist conspiracy. . . . Chambers and Hiss were the only non-Jews. . . . Many thought that Hiss was. He could have been a half. . . . Every other one was a Jew - and it raised hell for us. But in this case, I hope to God he’s not a Jew.

Can you imagine Nixon being afraid of the Christian unorthodox, of “liberals”, of “urban industrialization”? No, you can’t. These groups don’t have 300 million dollar annual operating budgets earmarked for altering the culture of their host countries.

You talk about wars, GW, but not their psychological fallout. How has living in the shadow of the triumphant Soviet Union for fifty years, sans sane nationalists in public life (made impossible by your decision to fight your benefactor in the last big war) worked out for you? It’s one thing to say, oh, it’s not just the Jews, there were also these wars, too. Why were you in the war? The Germans gave you your 300,000 men back. It’s unreasonable of you to proffer reasons as if they occured in a vacuum.

“Socially-dissonant elites” have existed since the the beginning of our history. That they are now intermarried with Jews and are about their father’s history with an alarming naturalness seems neither here nor there.

Lastly, the implosion of Christian belief is good for our side. The fewer people who worship a Jew as God, the less superstitious prattle we will have to put up when they are given first class tickets to Zion. I would say rather the adoption of Christianity was a world class disaster which we are only now recovering from.

The world has changed to accomodate some alterations in the means of production; also to adapt itself to such huge populations made possible by the reduction in infant mortatlity rates. However, Jews have not changed - they treat us the same way they treated Spain, Russia, Germany, etc.

Could any of those nations been a restoration of monarchy, by a careful re-assembly of the humpty-dumpty of Christian belief, by urban depopulation, or by anything else in your grab bag? No, not least because they had Monarchs, had a Christianity well in shape, etc.

No amount of modern wars, industrial urbanization, anticlericism, antimonarchialism, or “liberalism” can explain what happened to Spain when the Jews opened the doors to the Muslim.

I wonder what might have spared Spain its long national agony?

Serious minded consternation over a whole host of irrelevancies? Would that have stayed the Jew from opening the city gates?

Is this what you really think?

And after personally seeing to Muslim occupation, the Jews ignored the expulsion draft on the part of the Queen (no societally-dissonanant elite, she) becoming thousands of connected families of marannos who had seized monopolistic control of Spain’s trade. From this follows the Spanish Inquisition, the sequestraition of Spain from the Renaissance, the oppressive and priest-infesteed and liberty-hating colonies which have served as the best example we have, save Africa, of hell on earth.

Thanks to God’s litle pets, many Spaniards carry the taint of blood from their conquerers. How did Churchill put it? “Far too many Spaniards have the Koran in their veins”.

Why is it, even in the isolated case of Spain, that a strict “no Jews” policy would have saved them, while your list of complaints - collapse of Christianity and all the rest - provided no helpful counterweight save possibly the Spanish Inquisition?

Is it because your analysis is too clever by half? Or that it is merely a grab bag of correlates which have little to do with the cause.

Is is comporable to those Thais who think bad behavior or “sins” caused the recent Tsunami?

Would I be excoriated on a Thai board for suggesting so? Hey guys, relax, it’s just the water . . . you’re going to need some sort of early warning system.

Spain and Russia had monarchs, strong churches, little industrial urbanization, and still fell like stones when the Jews so decided. How do you explain that?

I like reactionaries, GW, but when reaction gets in the way of plain thought and Joseph de Maistre is bandied about as our “solution to everything”, it’s time for you to think about detoxing. “Throne and Altar” do nothing to help us and much to hurt us; please see the example of Catholics and Lutherans (side by side!) helping aliens across the border.

And don’t tell me this is the ‘breakdown’ of Christianity. It’s the fulfillment. Consult Nietzche’s “The Antichrist” for details.

Finally, you make no mention of my “political plan” for saving Europe - reinstating the Holy Roman Empire with La Cicciolina as Empress (elected, of course). Do you not approve?

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:33 PM | #


Interesting idea, this “La Cicciolina as Empress.” Where can one find more info?

Posted by Robert of the Rohorrim on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:53 PM | #


You don’t mean Anna Ilona Staller, do you?

Posted by Robert of the Rohorrim on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 06:59 PM | #


You don’t mean Anna Ilona Staller, do you?

I suppose this leaves the insurgent Neue Heiliges Romanische Reich leaderless . . . more evidence you can never be too careful. A yellow star would have made all the difference in this case.

I’ll get to work on political alternatives right away.

Posted by wintermute on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 07:22 PM | #


I suppose Abe Foxman’s sixty million dollar annual budget falls from the sky, like manna.

Indeed:

http://members.aol.com/toexist/Shiksa11.html

In-groups sandwich an outline for animosity, an organizing principle for prejudice, between layers of social support. Whether Christian or Muslim or Jewish, every extremist is supported by a small number of less extreme admirers and each of those supporters is buoyed, in turn, by a larger group of sympathizers. These connections are continuous right down to the bottom of the pyramid, where vaguely symapthetic in-group members are offended by the very extremists who would have no base, and no basis, without them.

It is that vague sympathy which needs to be examined.

To deal with only that small slice of the JQ, the question of “good jews,” I say the term is an oxymoron.  To be a “good jew” is to cease being a jew.

As for the bigger question, “how much of our problems are due to jewry, and how much are due to our own elites,” it’s a difficult question to answer with concision.  I tend to think jewry is a necessary and probably sufficient cause.  On the other hand, the simple fact is that capitalism as governing system leads directly to what we’re undergoing today.

I think a lot of this is counting angels on pinheads; we must separate ourselves from jewry, first mentally, then physically.  There is no honest racial nationalist position for arguing otherwise.  Once this is achieved, we can get our own house in order, and we’ll know the true extent of in-house cleaning required.

Posted by Svyatoslav Igorevich on Thursday, March 1, 2007 at 08:31 PM | #