Wilders’ Fitna is released - UPDATE 28.03.08
The removal of Fitna. Official LiveLeak statement.
Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill-informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could affect the safety of some staff members, LiveLeak has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and wellbeing of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people from all backgrounds and religions who gave us their support. They realised that LiveLeak is a vehicle for many opinions and not just one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one another’s cultures.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.
LiveLeak.com
BUT IT’S STILL ON YOUTUBE
Yesterday’s original post ...
Geert Wilders’ has now found a host on-line for his much trailed and relentlessly tragic film, Fitna the Movie. It is in Dutch, but scarcely needs translation. It is too uncomplicated for that. [Actually here is the English-language version, with my thanks to Hibernia Girl - Ed]
Let it be said that Wilders’ message of Islam’s alien-ness and its implacable opposition to Western liberal democratic values is unmoderated by any political context. OK, one wouldn’t expect too much of a critique of those values in a short film like this. But the responsibility for transferring Moslem populations into Europe - and apparently they now stand at 57 million - goes totally unaddressed. The viewer is left to assume that it’s simply a product of Islam’s expansionist ambitions.
Likewise, no attempt is made to investigate the nature of Moslem anger towards the West. The vast offence that Moslems feel at America’s machinations in the dar al-Islam and the humiliation occasioned by Israeli aggression are not touched upon. All the blood-letting is portrayed as a product of the “problematic” surahs.
We all know Wilders has a penchant for populist anti-immigration politics. But Wikipedia helpfully explains that he also has a very special feeling, not to put too fine a point on it, for Israel:-
In the past twenty five years Geert Wilders has visited Israel about forty times, he says. According to his own sayings, he has met Ariel Sharon ("many times") and Ehud Olmert, among others, in Israel. Furthermore, he claims tight connections with the Mossad.
... More than a few members of the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy suspect Wilders of taking guidance from the Israeli Embassy in the Netherlands
... in 2005 Wilders proposed implementing Israel’s administrative detention in the Netherlands, a practice heavily criticized by human rights group Amnesty International. Also, at the time Wilders was member of the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, he had an employee who directly came from the Israeli Embassy.
So perhaps Wilders is not all that interested in telling his own people that, fundamentally, Moslems are in Holland for the same reason that 1,350 Dutch soldiers are in Iraq. Perhaps his pro-Israel sensibilities baulk at the very notion of a mutual separation - them from us and us from them. After all, no employee in the Israeli Embassy would want to see a Dutch Holland or a West careless of its “duty” to the Jewish state.
View Fitna, with all its shock value, as an agitprop vehicle for an ambitious and energetic politician. A serious contribution it aint.
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“he claims tight connections with the Mossad.” (—from the entry)
Good. Those connections will come in handy for keeping the Moslems from doing a Theo van Gogh on him after they get a look at this film.
He’s a brave man.
There’s an English version up now as well:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
Posted by Hibernia Girl on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 05:16 AM | #
While one who is a Christian cannot condone the adultery and sodomy lawfully allowed and encouraged in Holland and many other countries and cities of the West, this film (with it’s terribly evocative Western/Nordic Music) clearly shows that this is a race war. It is the sort of thing that should be shown in every Church and school, public as well, to learn what Islam truly is.
I felt no anger over the Muslim hatred for the Jews in this film, however. They [Talmudics] are no more the followers of ‘the Book,’ than the Muslims are. Moreover, Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross applies to neither group, as the Fathers and the Saints clearly stated. Both groups are idolaters and are still in their sins.
And for that, and that alone (not for some specious appeal to liberalism or democracy, both of which have their roots in humanism, rather than the ‘West’) all Muslims should be deported from Western soil.
May God have mercy on Christendom. For she has sown the wind, and is reaping the whirlwind.
P.S. Anyone sent this to Rowan Williams, yet?
Posted by Fr. John on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 03:06 PM | #
Talmudix. Sounds like a techno outfit. I thought it was Taldmudic Zionist Marxist crypto-Marano Khazarian Jews?
Posted by uhh on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 04:01 PM | #
There are 57 MILLION Muslims residing in Europe!?!
Native Europeans are not reproducing at the replacement level required to maintain their own population. Muslim’s in Europe are exceeding their replacement level. The EU’s immigration policies are such that they’re still allowing Muslims to immigrate into Europe. What more needs to be said?
Maybe white folks will take notice and heed the warning of a Black Muslim women? White-leftists are too busy hating their own race to pay attention to white-preservationists. I hear no protest targeted at the Muslims’ treatment of women from the NOW gang. The white male-hating feminist-hypocrites sure have a rude awakening in their future.
http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289684
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXGZBs65qMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJp6hilbCQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiMqi3T6QJc
Posted by onlooker on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 04:40 PM | #
Or, indeed, his Holyness, Fr. John, since Holland is a Catholic country in much more dire demographic danger from Moslem populations than Britain.
Posted by Guessedworker on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 04:46 PM | #
As a Dutchman and someone who follows the media here closely I can add my two cents. You wouldn’t believe the amount of attention this film has gotten. It was the most discussed topic for the last couple of weeks. Everybody (that is, the Establishment) was scared to death that it would result in a situation like with the Danish cartoons. The government has been working for months, through foreign embassies in Islamic nations, to prevent Muslim anger.
Personally, I think Wilders is a waste of time. All his attention is focused on religion, which naturally putts me off considering I am an atheïst. Despite lots of people calling him a ‘racist’ he truly does not seem to care about race/ethnicity. He has stated several times that he wants to cut off all Muslim immigration, but would accept those immigrants if they discarded their religion. In my eyes, that still wouldn’t make it right. That still wouldn’t justify replacing, in effect, the native population with a foreign one. But that point of view simply has no voice in the Netherlands. None whatsoever, except perhaps for an extremely small group (two or three hundred nation wide) of Neo-Nazis who march around with German flags (of the Second Reich!) and who are universally loathed.
I did vote for him, though, but this was mainly because I couldn’t pass the opportunity to stick it to the ruling class.
About the Dutch soldiers you mentioned, they are currently serving in Afghanistan in the southern province of Uruzgan which borders the one where the British are stationed, Helmand. Also you describe the Netherlands as a Catholic country which I think is not entirely accurate. From the start of an independant Dutch nation in the 16th century it has always been ruled and shaped by the protestant elite. So today, eventhough Catholics are a larger minority than Protestants, the culture is still very protestant. Calvinist actually, which is why it is sometimes compared to [Presbyterian] Scotland.
Posted by Van_Heutsz on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 06:59 PM | #
I wonder if the Dutch will ever have the balls to toss all these subhuman muds out of their country?
Being half Dutch it pains my heart to see the country of my matrilineal ancestors defiled by this third-world rabble.
Posted by captainchaos on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 07:22 PM | #
“There are 57 MILLION Muslims residing in Europe!?!”
The USA is pressing Europe to include Turkey, which is experiencing a population explosion, into the EU. The EU is also propagating it. Negotiations between the EU and Turkey are in progress. Once this will happen in a few years time, all turkish will have the right to reside everywhere in Europe, as they are supposedly “Europeans”. They will then have access to all social secutrity in the country of residence. Therefore they will then flock to Europe by the millions and thereby add to the high birthrate of the muslims already here.
And that will then be the end of Europe as we know it.
Posted by 123 on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 07:51 PM | #
Guessedworker and Hibernia Girl many thanks from me for posting this video. Onlooker thank you for posting those links. I am glad at least some whites are realizing what Muslims are like.
Guessedworker maybe you know of this but to anyone who knows What will happen regarding Muslim immigration in the future? Is it already controlled in some countries?
I am referring to Europe.
What do you guys think about letting Non Muslims enter Europe? Such as Christians from these Muslim countries who are oppressed regularly?
That video really touched me deeply (not in a good way). I am disgusted by it. My God…
I am beginning to feel for you guys and i am not even Europe...just a person who had the misfortune of being born in a Muslim country and being “oppressed”.
Posted by Peter on Friday, March 28, 2008 at 08:29 PM | #
I STUMBLED ON THIS SITE SOMEWHAT ACCIDENTLY AND BOY DID I LEARN MY LESSON! WHAT A BUNCH OF CLOSE-MINDED RUBBISH! YOU PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY CONFLICTED. WHO DO YOU HATE MORE, THE MUSLIMS OR THE JEWS?? I’M GUESSING PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST HATE EVERYBODY. WHAT A SICK AND TWISTED WAY TO LIVE LIFE. FACE IT, THINGS ARE CHANGING, JUST LIKE THEY HAVE ALWAYS CHANGED. PEOPLE MOVE, PEOPLE MIX, POPULATIONS DIVERSIFY. BLAH BLAH BLAH. GROW THE HELL UP PEOPLE. IN THIS MASSIVE AND MAJESTIC UNIVERSE OF OURS, WE ARE ALL SO VERY INSIGNIFICANT. GET OVER YOURSELVES.
PS… comments like this, “That still wouldn’t justify replacing, in effect, the native population with a foreign one” are absolutely hilarious!!! Certainly brings to mind those old European conquerors that invaded, subdued, and corrupted native populations. I guess whites are finally getting back what they put out… KARMA is certainly a bitch isn’t it! LOL.
Posted by koko booboo on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 05:31 AM | #
Looks like Koko the Talking Gorilla reads the site.
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 06:03 AM | #
It amuses me how consistently moronic the oppositional commenters are.
Posted by Englander on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 09:51 AM | #
The koko booboo entity may well be a Nigger but the whiff of White Liberal is strong so I recommend an excellent dissection, by Luke O’Farrell, of that motley crew’s attitudes to race :
http://www.heretical.com/ofarrell/godgould.html
Posted by Al Ross on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 11:16 AM | #
“Certainly brings to mind those old European conquerors that invaded, subdued, and corrupted native populations.”—koko booboo
Corrupted? Subdued? Do you mean how whites’ stopped “people of color” from Africa to the Americas to the South Pacific Islands, the Orient, and elsewhere ... from engaging in canabalism, human sacrifice, amongst other unspeakable practises? Is that what you mean by corrupted and subdued?
Posted by onlooker on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM | #
The deep divisions between white folks based on religion, or lack of it, put all white people at risk.
God bless,
Laurel
Posted by Laurel Loflund on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 05:43 PM | #
“The deep divisions between white folks based on religion, or lack of it, put all white people at risk.”—Laurel Loflund
True enough, but trying to get the good folks at MR to agree upon a common religion is like herding cats. Or more accurately, it’s like trying to herd kitlers…
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/kitler-p1.php
Just kidding! Just kidding!
Posted by onlooker on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 06:20 PM | #
The looks of that cat are a hoot!
BTW, I should have been more specific in my comment, as I was referring to Christian faith and the many varieties of secularism.
I still believe those divisions, and unwillingness to cooperate across them, whether or not we will ever agree on faith issues, put all white folks at risk.
Folks can believe what they want to believe, or not believe what they don’t want to believe. I am a Christian, but am willing to work for the common good of all white people.
I sure hope others are, despite differences in faith, or I might as well go burkha shopping now, because that other faith is monolithic and determined to subsume all of us into itself. Or kill us.
I take offense at the latter.
God bless,
Laurel
Posted by Laurel Loflund on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 06:32 PM | #
“but the whiff of White Liberal is strong”; Al Ross
I think you have ferreted our Koko boo boo, thanks for the link, Al.
Posted by torgrim on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 06:50 PM | #
Laurel Loflund;
“Folk can believe what they want to believe,or not believe what they don’t want to believe. I am a Christian, but willing to work for the common good of all white people.”
I see from your statement that we share the same thought.
The survival of our people must be our primal duty!
Posted by torgrim on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 07:05 PM | #
Dear Mr./Ms. BooBoo
The good folks ( Anglo-Saxons,Teutonics, Celts, etc in origin ) here at MR
don’t want to rule the world and don’t hate everyone- well maybe you.
We’d all just like our spot under the sun- absent the rest of the bipeds who
often parasitically exist at “our” expense.
As has been stated before on this site, the Jews( pseudo-semites) and the
Muslims( semites) “deserve” ( wink wink nod nod ) each other AND WE
DESERVE NEITHER.
Oh just a small aside, when “whitey” is gone please take the time to bend
over and kiss your ass goodbye. Without our considerable accomplishments
in ALL fields of knowledge this “massive and majestic universe” will eat you
alive.
Have a lovely future.
Posted by DavidL on Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 09:41 PM | #
Certainly brings to mind those old European conquerors that invaded, subdued, and corrupted native populations. I guess whites are finally getting back what they put out… KARMA is certainly a bitch isn’t it! LOL.
Corrupted?! The savage unnatural darkness practiced by people of colour everywhere the European ventured was corrupted?! The introduction of rule of law, science, medicine and technology that advanced the carrying capacity of these tribes/nations beyond their wildest dreams is corruption?! The diminishment of the squalor, privation, famine and disease found amongst the majority of these worlds by Europeans was corrupted?! Look only to Rhodesia and South Africa to see the malaise, the famine curtain that has fallen on these nations where once the corrupting European ruled. Look at the demographic realities. The population of India, China and Africa has at least trebled since the beginning of the 20th century. It was European law, medicine, technology and philosophy, the f...king ‘white man’s burden’, that was responsible for the magnitude of this largesse and this is the thanks the European gets.
What a pile of crap.
Posted by Desmond Jones on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 12:33 AM | #
bonbon or whatever said - “Certainly brings to mind those old European conquerors that invaded, subdued, and corrupted native populations. I guess whites are finally getting back what they put out… KARMA is certainly a bitch isn’t it! LOL.”
That kind of implies the whole clash of civilizations idea. That some win and some lose, that there is no overarching international morality or rules that have to be adhered to.
Therefore if non-whites are allowed to destroy whites for whatever they perceive as past wrongs, we can come up with a similar list of grievances. So we are therefore allowed to destroy you and I wont be expecting to hear any complaint from the likes of you, just a resigned acceptance of karma.
So whats it to be karma - which cuts both ways, we can do to you what you do to us and no bleating.
Or strict international/inter-ethnic rules against race replacement which means you on a one way trip back home.
Your choice.
Posted by Lurker on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 12:40 AM | #
With the benefit of perfect hindsight we can appreciate the fact that the yeoman-like efforts of our Imperial forebears in the Christian moral imperative of extending the bounds of Civilization to the pointless anthropoid refuse of what is now the Third World were utterly wasted and served only to increase the numbers of the dusky savages beyond their lands’ carrying capacity.
Posted by Al Ross on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 12:57 AM | #
Van_Heutsz,
Wilders is a clown, and this is the Zionists promoting their anti-Muslim propaganda in their usual manner: make it look like goyim are behind it.
Fred Scrooby said that ‘Those connections will come in handy for keeping the Moslems from doing a Theo van Gogh on him after they get a look at this film.’ This comment made me think about something that has come to my attention but most of the material is in Dutch and I cannot make much progress without help from a native Dutch speaker.
Here is how it goes. It starts with Pim Fortuyn’s murder. Fortuyn was allegedly murdered by a poor leftist, Volkert van der Graaf, who was concerned about Muslims’ fate if Fortuyn was elected. But how did he manage to have an expensive Jewish firm – Böhler, Koppe and Franken – defend him? Fortuyn’s assassination appeared to be a professional one.
Theo van Gogh had also come up with a lot of anti-Muslim materials. Eventually, Theo figured out that both Fortuyn and he had been used by Israel to promote anti-Muslim sentiment and that Pim was killed by the Israelis.
Theo decided to make a movie, titled ‘May 6th’, where he would argue that Israel orchestrated Pim’s assassination. You can get the trailer here: http://www.0605defilm.nl/movs/0605_trailer_med.wmv
He was heading to his studio to work on this film, and was murdered.
This has the stench of Zionists all over it. If you can find more information on this and perhaps translate it to English, it will be a great help because contrary to Fred Scooby, who seems to have learned little about the modus operandi of the Zios over all the time he has been reading majorityrights, they will use a goy to promote anti-Muslim sentiment, promote him, then kill him, and make it look like the work of Muslims. Way to go when it comes to making people hate Muslims!
And don’t get me wrong. I don’t sympathize with Muslims. There is consensus here that Muslims are bad news for the West. So please look into whether you can dig up something interesting.
Posted by J Richards on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 08:52 AM | #
JR, the spirit in which I wrote that was meant to be sort of slightly ironic-humorous, in the sense, “I don’t believe he has tight connections with the Mossad but if he does so much the better for him, maybe he’ll escape Theo van Gogh’s fate at least!”
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 01:33 PM | #
Guessed: You stated- “Or, indeed, his Holyness, Fr. John, since Holland is a Catholic country in much more dire demographic danger from Moslem populations than Britain.”
If, by speaking of “His Holiness” you mean the Bishop of Rome, Pope Benedict [Arnold] the modern Roman ‘Catholi-schim’ assembly is fast becoming the “Whore of Babylon” the Entire edifice of Protestant Reformation thought aptly called her.
As to Holland being a “catholic Country” I apologize. I only have encountered the Dutch Christian Reformed (Calvinist) wing here in the USA. It is the cold, sterile branch of unitarian calvinism gone to seed that fostered the sick, laissez-faire willingness to NOT call sin, sin… not the RC’s. But then, Cardinal Willebrands was Dutch, wasn’t he?
Maybe it’s something in the cheese..... Gouda OR Edam, it all is beginning to stink, and the Muslims are merely God’s passive agent in chastising the people of God for their willing blasphemy, NOT the inevitability of Islams [sic] ‘superior’ religiosity, of which it has none.
Posted by Fr. John on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 08:57 PM | #
Fr. John,
As usual, I bow before your knowledge of the Christian ministry. Indeed I’m loathe to fight with you on that or anything else connected to the expression of faith. I was informed long ago that faith is the protector and last seat of conscience, and it should never be attacked for fear of destroying something in the heart of Man that is more beautiful, necessary and vivifying. I do attack it, of course. Regularly. But I think you must be excused rough handling in the matter.
Posted by Guessedworker on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 11:04 PM | #
As usual I bow before any Fr John type knowledge regarding fairies at the brttom of gardens’
Posted by Al Ross on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 10:55 AM | #
“KARMA is certainly a bitch isn’t it! LOL.”
This idiot is so retarded that he/she doesn’t ever realize we could make the same argument. After the Moors, Huns, Mongols, Turks and other assorted Asian and African trash invaded Europe for a couple thousand years Europeans went out and did the same. Is this what you mean by “KARMA” you uneducated retard?
Posted by 2R on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 at 11:34 PM | #
The positive side of theIslamificaation of Europe ought to be acknowledged.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=553008&in_page_id=1770
Muslims’ fury forces schools to shelve anti-homophobia storybooks for 5-year-olds
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Two primary schools have withdrawn storybooks about same-sex relationships after objections from Muslim parents.
Up to 90 gathered at the schools to complain about the books which are aimed at pupils as young as five.
One story, titled King & King, is a fairytale about a prince who turns down three princesses before marrying one of their brothers.
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