Time For Obama’s Gangsta Sh*t

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 06, 2012, 08:23 PM | #

OK, I posted this under GW’s OP, but it seems to have gotten swamped, and may be more relevant here anyway.

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BTW, I was wondering when someone at MR was going to notice that there is a rather globally significant election today.

GW, I think you ought to post right now and in its entirety Gregory Hood’s interesting article from yesterday’s Counter-Currents on why “Mitt Romney Must Lose”. I found myself in agreement with most of his assertions, even though I profoundly disagree with the overall thesis.

If not in a swing state, I encourage my fellow Americans to vote for 1) Virgil Goode, or 2) Thomas Hoefling (whoever is on your ballot). Not WNs, but decent conservatives not enamored of mass immigration or ‘diversity’.

But if in such a state, you should vote Romney, imo. Maybe post-election I’ll explain my thinking, which is strategic, and not only based on my own short term self-interest, which so clearly favors Romney. Obama has already done what “good” he can for our Cause. His election has definitely been good for WN, as I predicted it would be four years ago. Whites, at least conservatives, have gotten acclimated to criticizing a ‘person of color’. That is an important psych barrier broken.

But he has been terrible for the long term health of our nation and economy, and I suspect that he, being a principled man (albeit of the PC Far Left), will shift much further to the Left in a second term - esp wrt racial matters. There is no chance the GOP will lose the House, so it is unlikely that Obama will have any great (er, significant - everything he’s done has been awful) domestic accomplishments to pursue, except maybe mass alien amnesty via executive order. He will also continue filling up our judiciary with the worst possible judges.

Going out on a limb here, I think instead what he will do, beyond guarding his first term ‘legacy’, quietly pushing leftism via the Federal bureaucracy, and dealing with inevitable foreign policy issues and fallouts, is to spend a lot of time in public speaking, going around the country “talkin’ race”. I think he’s going to keep himself in the limelight, build up his lasting base among black America (so that he has an influential post-presidential career), and rekindle some of the goodwill from the brainwashed progressive whites who flocked to him in 08. There will continue to be hard limits as to what he can actually get through Congress, and he’s kind of lazy anyway. I think he’s going to go around the country “community organizing” on a national scale, pushing a Race and Anti-Poverty agenda which will not be good for Republican whites at all. It is not a conversation non-WNs are yet equipped to have. Because he cannot do much legislatively, he’s going to try to transform America by doing what’s he’s best at - hectoring and speechmaking.

He may leave office again quite beloved by the Left.

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Posted by daniels on November 07, 2012, 12:49 AM | #

J.B. Campbell on Christianity being an essential problem of the White race.

“The purpose of this essay is to prepare the reader for a life of struggle against Jewish rule in this country.”

“The problem is Christianity, which is Judaism for gentiles. Christians cannot deal with Jews because they believe that Jews are god’s chosen people.”

“I think it is the problem, the basic problem we have, yeah.”

“To become a Christian is to deny yourself the right of survival… It assures the Jew that the enemy will not fight back.”

“Yeah, those whom the Jews destroy they first make Christian.”

“It is so simple to see what I’m talking about looking at Russia after 1917. What happened to all the Christians in Russia, I don’t even know how many millions. There are wild numbers, at least twenty million Christians were slaughtered by the Jewish Bolsheviks and maybe more than that.”

“To become a Christian is to deny yourself your right of survival in the deadliest struggle on earth. Those whom the Jews destroy they first make Christian, because it assures the Jew that the enemy will not fight back.”

- J.B. Campbell

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 07, 2012, 02:33 AM | #

The Hayekian liberal that believes in power of his special ‘magical’ underpants lost in a rather humiliating fashion. Too bad. Really what can America teach Europeans other than by being held up as a radically awful example of what not to do or be?

“Anyone who wants to rule men first tries to humiliate them, to trick them out of their rights and their capacity for resistance, until they are as powerless before him as animals,” wrote Elias Canetti in “Crowds and Power.”

“He uses them like animals and, even if he does not tell them so, in himself he always knows quite clearly that they mean just as little to him; when he speaks to his intimates he will call them sheep or cattle. His ultimate aim is to incorporate them into himself and to suck the substance out of them. What remains of them afterwards does not matter to him. The worse he has treated them, the more he despises them. When they are no more use at all, he disposes of them as he does excrement, simply seeing to it that they do not poison the air of his house.”

Our masters rely on our labour to make them wealthy, on our children for cannon fodder in war and on our collective chants for adulation. They would otherwise happily slip us rat poison. When they retreat into their inner sanctums, which they keep hidden from public view, they speak in the cold words of manipulation, power and privilege, words that expose their visions of themselves as entitled and beyond the reach of morality or law.

The elite have produced a few manuals on power. Walter Lippmann’s “Public Opinion,” Leo Strauss’ work and “Atlas Shrugged” by the third-rate novelist Ayn Rand express the elite’s deep contempt for the sans-culottes. These writers posit that the masses are incapable of responding rationally to the complexities of power. They celebrate the role of a tiny, controlling elite that skilfully uses propaganda and symbols to, as Lippmann wrote, “manufacture consent.”

The elite’s systems of propaganda are designed to magnify superficial emotionality and destroy the capacity for critical thought. Kafka was right: The modern world – profoundly shaped in the image of the American ideology - has finally made the irrational rational.

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Posted by Wandrin on November 07, 2012, 02:45 AM | #

but that hardly means every nonwhite is inferior

It’s not about being inferior it’s about their proven track record of distorting science for ethno-centric political ends e.g. Boas, Gould, Lewontin and blank late theory.

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Posted by Guessedworker on November 07, 2012, 02:49 AM | #

Daniel S,

Here is the Catholic journalist and DT blogs editor Damian Thompson’s immediate reaction to the Obama victory:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100188256/the-religious-right-is-dead/

I agree that this election, like 2008, says something about white America’s emerging faith in Jewish-authored political teleologies.  Those remarks by JB Campbell, though superficial in themselves and lacking the proper context, are quite correct.  It is as though whites have no element in their faith to protect them from such a shift.

I have been playing with putting up a piece on Second Temple Judaism and Paul, EP Sanders, grace and law for some time, in advance of a larger essay I am trying to bring forth.  We have some readers who are greatly more knowledgeable on the Christian antecedents than I am, and I am hoping that they will help me understand this issue.

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Posted by Guessedworker on November 07, 2012, 03:12 AM | #

Graham,

All five of the writers you listed were Jews, and all of them wrote from a particular angle on the Elite Question.  The fascination with the manipulation of the masses is very much a Jewish phenomenon, for obvious reasons.  Sam Francis, who was strongly critical of the Single Jewish Cause, held that Jewish philosophers, writers and activists served as intellectual janissaries for the WASP-Jewish elite, rather than for Jewry as such.  To what extent he was right that the modern elites are definitively an ethnic duopoly, rather than a vehicle useful to (and largely created by) the highest Jewish elites for ethnic as well as personal purposes, none of us can say.  We may eventually find out the hard way, of course.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 07:00 AM | #

Lister@19

Would that Romney had been a Hayekian - he might have won! He was a weakling, a very socialistic liberal Governor of Mass., and he ran a terrible campaign until the end. He was too white for the New America, but not seen as sufficiently conservative to really inspire conservatives (I know lots of people who did not vote for him - including me! - but also those, unlike me, in swing states where their votes mattered; I told them they were foolish not to support Mitt, but my words made little impact).

Recall I’ve been predicting for two years that Obama would win in a squeaker; as I write, Obama has 303 EC votes - a bit better than “squeaker”, but hardly a decisive win as in his first time. Romney was not “humiliated”.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 07:38 AM | #

GW,

This election was an utter disaster for America, and a particular embarrassment for all the GOP buffoons who seemed to be sincerely predicting a Romney victory. The results are bad in nearly every way - but there is also a lot to be said about them.

I wouldn’t mind doing up an essay on “Loser America” (for that’s what we are), in a few days, after all the results are confirmed, if you would agree to put it up as a post (I’m not going to do up a comment, as it would go on interminably).

2008 was the true End of America, and the beginning of the Next America. But the past four years have been a kind of interregnum, a time when we weren’t sure if Obama was a fluke (a perfectly rational surmise in light of the groundswell of immediate opposition, culminating in his midterm “shellacking”).

Now we know. Obama, had he been white, would, I believe, have been defeated. His record is so poor that his reelection has shattered all past presidential reelection bromides (eg, “no Prez with approval below 50% gets reelected; “no Prez with no reduction in unemployment over 4 years gets reelected”; etc literally bloody etc etc).

Obama was elected because he was black- not in spite of it. And now he has been reelected because he is black. There is no other realistic way to spin this.

America, my America, the nation that has existed from early colonial times until the collapse of the USSR in late ‘91, is now dead. America will never be white again. Even though it is still majority white (albeit dwindling rapidly), it is not America anymore. We now have definitive confirmation of what WNs have long predicted, and recently suspected - THIS IS PERMANENT.

Or, put another way, IT HAS HAPPENED. America has been transformed. We may still have an objectively white majority, but WE ARE NO LONGER A WHITE NATION.

The population of America now has an absolute majority which is comprised of politically (if hardly racially) cohesive, bloc-voting nonwhites + whites who are either race traitors or brainwashed fools. 

Dr. Lister is exactly right: European patriots must save themselves. America is not a model for you (if it ever was). The New World is clearly lost to “Magna Europa”, even if the Overseas Colonies will continue to contain many millions of her sons and daughters for the remainder of this century.

The battle to preserve Western Civilization, and prevent white extinction, has now, appropriately, moved to Europe. One cannot help but feel the blackest despair and pessimism at our prospects, given how racially and culturally (let alone morally and economically and militarily) suicidally Left the Europeans have become. But Europe is our race’s true home, and the Last Battle will surely be fought in her ancient lands.

I am long removed from the Old Country(s). My ancestors in the US can be traced to the early 18th century. The very last arrived in the late 19th century. This was meant to be my home. My ancestors could surely not have imagined that one day it would no longer be mine, and not through violent conquest, but peaceful dispossession. A Dispossessed Majority soon to become a persecuted minority.

America is no longer my home. I am filled with almost indescribable shame - not that 80-90% of race aliens voted their hatreds (this was only to be expected: the muds aren’t white, and they never will be, and even as a California youth I was aware of a deep racial resentment minorities felt for whites, whom they know to be their superiors, even if we no longer do), but that 40% of whites are so easily awed, misled, or cowed. I hate what America has become, but I am far more ashamed at what whites have become.

America is no longer my nation.

The white race is not my nation.

White Zion, the land of racially conscious whites, proud of their blood, their history, their civilization, their way of existing in the world - that is my nation now, and forever.
 


 


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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 07, 2012, 08:33 AM | #

@GW

Well of course the global elite is happily multicultural - they real colour they care for is green (as in $s).

It’s the height of naivety to assume our ‘own’ present political and economic elites would be magically transformed into decent types full of Aristotelian philia for kith and kin left to their ‘own’ devices. In fact its almost as bad as the belief that special underwear ‘protects’ one from evil.

But everyone’s favourite ethnic group does play a highly prominent in every area of American life (perhaps the military, as such, is an exception?) and in its own way it’s pretty funny - in a black comedy sort of way - to see the political class of still the world’s most powerful nation go out to some nonentity of a nation in the desert, without a drop of oil to its name etc., and genuflect before them in what is almost a religious ceremony.

To cite another Jew - and sometimes odd snippets of truth can came from the oddest of places - one Timmy Wise: the Republican party is the party of elderly rural whites. Tick tock, tick tock.

I watched the coverage on CNN - which did a pretty decent job of explaining on a county by county basis the what and why of the results in the key states - far better coverage on the details that the truly awful BBC. Well every talking head, especially of a Republican nature, in the CNN studio basically said “it’s the demographics” and so on. It’s obviously true that the Republican’s cannot win without reaching out from their own base. They’ll eventually sideline the Palin/Beck wingnuts and reformulate themselves in accordance with the new demographic realities. Electoral politics is all about having a support that’s a mile wide and an inch deep, not the reverse.

I think there is a Q and A session with Bowden from some London club on youtube. In it he stated that in his view America and Americans might come up with odd good idea etc., but that the struggle will not occur there. It’s in Europe that the political struggle will be won or lost. America is not Europe and it will never be Europe. It’s on the cusp of post-Western status if not already there. Obama’s first victory was not a fluke nor anomalous.

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Posted by daniels. on November 07, 2012, 08:34 AM | #

America is no longer my home. I am filled with almost indescribable shame… I hate what America has become, but I am far more ashamed at what whites have become.

America is no longer my nation.

The white race is not my nation.

White Zion, the land of racially conscious whites, proud of their blood, their history, their civilization, their way of existing in the world - that is my nation now, and forever.


Leon, that was a moving statement and a fine distinction you make between the White race and those those worthy among it.

There are still a great number of well attended Catholic churches and some people who are able to practice Christianity with enough irony to be Jew-wise and White nationalist. I personally see it as too convoluted and costly a route - on the other hand, it might be reckless to shun engagement entirely, as I do. This man and his colleagues might be of interest to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Rydzyk

Perhaps more Catholics can be led to unanimity and WN.

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Posted by danies. on November 07, 2012, 09:04 AM | #

Republican’s cannot win without reaching out from their own base. They’ll eventually sideline the Palin/Beck wingnuts and reformulate themselves in accordance with the new demographic realities. Electoral politics is all about having a support that’s a mile wide and an inch deep, not the reverse.


Graham, jeez what a grouch - I thought only the French could hate Americans so.

It would seem rather, that the Republicans did not win and have lost any organic mandate precisely because they did not serve the base of White working class and poor.

It is typically backwards that the Republican plutocrats and their neo-con, Zionist handlers would blame their failure on Whites.

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 07, 2012, 09:14 AM | #

@Danny

But Mr. Haller has often and vociferously told us all about greatness and robust nature of America and the American way of life - especially in contrast to we pitiful Europeans in our Glenn Beck style ‘socialist hellholes’ like 90%+ white Denmark etc.

Now he’s renouncing it? Will he give any thought to why the land of ‘rugged individualism’ and ideological of maximally imagined - indeed foundationally so - ‘individual liberty’ was so vulnerable to its own collective ‘destruction’?

As someone once remarked one would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

And as for Republicans ‘serving’ the interests of the poorer and less prosperous section of Euro-America. Pull the other one it’s got bells on it.

Mitt Romney and his magic underpants crowd of globalist, Hayekian liberals don’t really want to nor have any interest in doing so. They have done very well out of economically attacking such people – they are not about to stop any time soon.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 09:19 AM | #

Quick comment posted at The American “Conservative”:

Utter rubbish! America IS WHITE America. Obama’s America is not only essentially alien, it is principally so, as well. This has been proved by voting. I predicted this in the 80s, when foolish “conservatives” were mouthing off about the wonders of immigration, and I told them what i knew about nonwhites from living in CA. THEY ALL VOTE LEFTIST – just like Jews, despite all the latter’s economic successes.

The deep truth is as Sam Francis understood it: conservatism is a white thing (and really, these days, only a white American thing). This despite conservatism’s universal ethical validity.

America today is dead. That doesn’t mean total Hobbesian collapse tomorrow – but it’s coming (Katrina, anyone?). Racist persecution of whites, racial socialism, eventually race war – it will come to the USA, brought to us by insanely treasonous liberals, and cowardly conservatives.

One thing is for sure, though: there are still a lot of us PROUD WHITE MEN, and we won’t go down without a fight. I would rather America burn in the fires of civil war than peacefully allow what my ancestors (maybe not your paddy ones, McCarthy) labored to build to be transferred to nonwhite immigrant invaders.

It is time for white patriots to begin serious politicking, relentlessly attacking any ‘conservative’ who betrays whites and our interests in any capacity, beginning with terminating the immigration invasion.

Tomorrow’s Right will belong not to conservatism (let alone the laughable weakness of libertarianism) – but to (white) nationalism.

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Posted by Thorn on November 07, 2012, 09:21 AM | #

Leon@24

Excellent comment as usual. I agree with all of it.

 

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 07, 2012, 09:22 AM | #

Posted by danies. on November 07, 2012, 09:04 AM

‘Graham, jeez what a grouch - I thought only the French could hate Americans so’


Don’t worry Dan, G_L is just being Scottish.

You get used to it after a few centuries.

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Posted by Silver on November 07, 2012, 09:24 AM | #

Leon Haller sat hunched over as he dejectedly ruminated on the day’s events, feeling as cold and used up as the icy mush at the bottom of the empty glass he twiddled in his lap.  “It has happened.  It is permanent.  America has been transformed.  We may still have an objectively white majority but we are no longer a white country.  America is no longer my nation…” His voice trailed off forlornly as the weight of the realization sunk him deeper into despair. 

Again and again the same thought delivered the same sickening blow: “America is no longer my nation.”

Then Leon Haller abruptly planted his feet into the ground, thrust back back his seat, slammed his empty glass on the table, stood up and, with no trace of the desolation that seconds before marked him a defeated man, spoke with newfound determination.  “The white race is not my nation!  White Zion, the land of racially conscious whites, proud of their blood, their history, their civilization, their way of existing in the world - that is my nation now, and forever!” he solemnly vowed as he gazed into the eyes of his Chinese girlfriend.
 

Okay, okay. I’m sorry.  I couldn’t resist.  Please pardon that.  I’m just trying to liven things up a bit.  You’re aware, aren’t you, that you’re far from the first person, far from the first American or far from the first White man to feel that way?  How many before you must have experienced the same numbing dejection when the stunning finality of the predicament finally became apparent to them.  For some, I suppose, the feeling never leaves them.  I’m sure WLP was feeling it as he delivered his “Out of the Darkness” speech.  Even though I despise everything he stood for (beyond preservation, that is) I could commiserate with him there.  Although I’m an eternal optimist, I too once felt that way, momentarily, when I realized that the trends in place left unchecked would in the fullness of time devour all I loved, making pointless my hopes and dreams.  That’s the way the world ends, I told myself, not with a bang but with a nigger.  There’s a great deal separating us—racially, too, I mean—but I think even the gladiators enjoyed a camaraderie of sorts.  This thing’s far from fully over just yet, and I’m certainly going to do my bit to see to it that things are put right.  What else is there to do?

 

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 09:28 AM | #

Lister,

The American way of life was magnificent - when it was WHITE, as the Founding Fathers intended.

What ruined us was nonwhite racial integration, and immigration. There is a long story as to how this happened (and then you can enlighten us as to how the UK managed to avoid being swamped by ‘coloureds’ - perhaps you can ask GW or “Bill” for the facts as to how Britain managed to remain so British).

But please don’t conflate your ‘foundational’ anti-Americanism with the actual causes of American decline - which are probably rather similar to those of Britain’s decline. As I have pointed out repeatedly, whites are genetically maladapted to existing realities. We can’t “handle” race properly, for what I would argue are ethical misunderstandings.

Anyway, USA today, UK tomorrow, Scotland next week - or year, it doesn’t matter. The mental or spiritual disease is the same everywhere. You’ll get yours.

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 07, 2012, 09:28 AM | #

Leon, white Europe is your home too. It always was.

Your family is perhaps bigger than you realise.

Please don’t despair.

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Posted by daniels. on November 07, 2012, 09:51 AM | #

And as for Republicans ‘serving’ the interests of the poorer and less prosperous section of Euro-America. Pull the other one it’s got bells on it.

LOL

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Posted by daniels. on November 07, 2012, 10:16 AM | #

But please don’t conflate your ‘foundational’ anti-Americanism with the actual causes of American decline - which are probably rather similar to those of Britain’s decline.


I was about to add something to my remark, viz. that I thought only the French could have such disdain for Americans.. that I noticed for all their notorious dislike of America (and by the way, I found them to be friendly - the stereotype really didn’t follow), that the French people and their predicament with relation to non-Whites were strikingly similar to Americans in more ways than I had expected (i.e. way too liberal, modernist, etc etc.)

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Posted by Selous Scout on November 07, 2012, 10:47 AM | #

We’re far past the stage of a peaceful political solution. You know it, I know it. Perhaps these political circuses may encourage other white Americans to see it that way, too. But I won’t hold my breath.

I suppose one of the benefits of subscribing to the ‘worse is better’ view is that these political scenarios don’t leave one feeling down, as apparently they have with my neighbour Leon.

Silver’s comments here are very good:

Although I’m an eternal optimist, I too once felt that way, momentarily, when I realized that the trends in place left unchecked would in the fullness of time devour all I loved, making pointless my hopes and dreams.  That’s the way the world ends, I told myself, not with a bang but with a nigger.  There’s a great deal separating us—racially, too, I mean—but I think even the gladiators enjoyed a camaraderie of sorts. This thing’s far from fully over just yet, and I’m certainly going to do my bit to see to it that things are put right. What else is there to do?

Indeed. Life is good.

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 07, 2012, 03:51 PM | #

Oh I have no doubt that Europe too is in the grip of the profoundly destructive ideology of hyper-modernity namely neo-liberalism with a dose of globalisation on the side.

BUT the European political imagination is both deeper and wider. The echoes of history with regard to the idea of being an organic collective ‘whole’ is in our political DNA. From feudalism, to aristocratic and clerical hierarchies through to various nationalists struggles, religious wars and even political experiments in fascism, radical socialism etc., to mass trade-unions etc., the idea of thinking and politically acting in collective ways is not alien to us. History matters more deeply in Europe than the colonies. Hence it is more probable that such an ‘ontology’ will revive within European politics and culture.

The status of Europeans as being authentically autochthonous is key. Whatever ever Greg Johnson and his acolytes might prattle on about our indigenous, ‘organic’ rootedness in people and place is the greatest assets Europeans have. White Americans only have at base “we don’t like blacks” to fall back on. Terribly thin gruel to sustain a culture and collective identity upon, I’m sure most sensible people would agree.

Sure Americans do have the ‘thin’ concept of American patriotism but that is a superficial paper tiger only wrapping up yet more liberal-individualist ontology in a cheap piece of cloth – the propositional nation etc., along with that other feature of the American political imagination – being the ‘universal exception’. That is that America is somehow the exceptional nation that all others wish to ape in every regard and also the universal nation defining the very horizon of social, cultural, political etc., possibilities. Inevitably such idiotic hubris destroys those that seriously believe such mythologies.

One of West’s worst follies in its pretence to universalism – that our way of being in the world is universal and can and should be applicable across space and time (a regime of ‘spaceless universalism’ in Schmitt’s telling phrase) regardless that we and our ways of being are deeply non-universal and particularistic in nature. Of course America most embodies the cult of ‘spaceless universalism’ more that any European nation – even France with its universalistic ideology of the Revolution cannot, due to linguistic brute realities, seriously think of itself as the ‘universal’ nation – it is but one amongst many.

Unfortunately several centuries of radical Lockean ideology severely limits the political imagination of the land of the free. Of course there are many intelligent and thoughtful Americans that can see beyond the banalities of the liberty cult – Christopher Lasch for one – but such voices are marginal and have no traction. The political subjectivity of America, tout court, is defined and shaped by liberal theory. A figure like Lasch simply speaks in an incomprehensible idiom to those ensconced within the liberty cult.

Why is it ‘hateful’ to tell the truth – an obvious truth to anyone with an IQ above room temperature and the ability to pay attention for more than 5 nanoseconds?

Sure it’s a shorthand version of the matter and the precise twists and turns of history etc., matter but is anyone seriously in doubt that America is the quintessentially liberal nation?

Never-mind you can all cheer yourselves up by watching some Glenn Beck and have a lachrymose rally to restore ‘honor’ or some such trivia. Or even pop alone to the local mega-church and pretend as if such activity is fit for adult human beings. Or even read up on the way, somehow in mysterious fashion, the ‘free-market’ will ride to your collective political and cultural rescue.

America - the subliminal mind-fuck!

Now on this particular issue I’m with Schmitt – against any ideological regime of ‘spaceless universalism’.

Enjoy being a richer version of Brazil. But remember you are NOT your brother’s keeper – you owe no gratitude or loyalty to kith and kin, there is no intra and inter-generational ‘moral economy’ – why that’s evil collectivism! Or worst still ethno-socialism!

No ‘sovereign individualism’ is definitely the way to go.

In a word carry on collectively being politically illiterate fuckwits – an oxymoron of individualists.

P.S. I have many America friends and enjoy some American thinkers, writers, artists etc., so I don’t ‘hate’ Americans per se, but I seriously loathe the ideological formation summed up as ‘Americanism’. A people and the regime they live under are not one and the same are they?

What self-respecting European patriot could possibly subscribe to the American ideology?

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 04:30 PM | #

I’ve been fighting across the blogsphere all day, and have posted nearly 100 random comments, most short, some rather long. I just wrote this one, and I think I hit on a good mantra here to awaken American conservatives. Please copy/paste (esp the part in bold caps) across the internet.

This was a RACIAL election. Romney decisively won the white (aka - AMERICAN) vote.  This happens now always in CA. We have great Republicans, millions of conservatives - but we are completely disenfranchised due to Democrat bloc-voting nonwhites (plus Jews and gays and public union members). GOP is the party of the formerly Forgotten Majority, now transformed by IMMIGRATION into a Dispossessed and Persecuted Minority. Wasn’t immigration so good for the economy? Aren’t we just soooo happy that America has “diversity”? I warned people for 30 years. Pat Buchanan has warned the whole country for decades. Countless race realists warned us. YOU LIBERALS (including “conservatives”) NEVER LISTENED TO US.

IMMIGRATION = DIVERSITY

DIVERSITY = DEMOCRATS

DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM

SOCIALISM = DEATH OF AMERICA

What is the answer now? End immigration, lower the temp on abortion, stop advocating foreign wars and interventions, and then bitterly fight the socialists/minority racists everywhere.

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 07, 2012, 05:01 PM | #

Laibach are an interesting bunch. Banned by old communist regime in the then Yugoslavia, post-modern jokers along the lines of “are they or aren’t they fascists” and so on.

I had the great pleasure of seeing them in concern a few months ago at the somewhat incongruous venue of the Tate Modern gallery in London.

Well from their 2006 ‘Volk’ album we have their take on America and her ‘spaceless universalism’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGQCUoafFI8&

Oh, the Land of the Free/and the Home of the Brave/Are you heaven on Earth/or the gloom of the grave. . .

The people of the United States/Did you form a perfect union/Establish justice/Ensure tranquillity/Secure the blessings of Liberty/To yourselves and your posterity/How blind can you get. . .

America/The melting pot. . .

Praise the Lord/and Praise the Holy Spirit/To save us from your/Freedom, Justice, Peace/Accordance and Illusion. . .

America/The end of History/The end of Time.

I rather like them.

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 07, 2012, 05:24 PM | #

Romney decisively won the white (aka - AMERICAN) vote.

Clearly he did not win the White vote. Demographics is destiny.  Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, (Pittsburg et al) is 84% White but the ethnic makeup is “20.0% were of German, 15.0% Italian, 12.7% Irish, 7.5% Polish and 5.1% English ancestry” as opposed to Somerset County, Pennsylvania, which went heavily for Romney, is 97.39% White of which “41.5% were of German, 10.4% American, 7.4% Italian, 6.4% Irish, 6.4% Polish and 5.8% English ancestry”. Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania, heavily supported Obama. It’s 96.65% White, however, ethnically “22.5% were of Italian, 21.2% Irish, 15.4% Polish and 10.2% German ancestry”. It’s clear that Whites in Vermont Rhode Island and his home state Massachusetts did not vote in the majority for Romney. Whites in these states ID as Catholic and are predominantly loyal to Dems at least back as far as JFK and probably to the origins of the Second Klan and their battle with the Irish Catholic Al Smith for control of the Democratic party. So much for the RCC’s battle with O to secure their religious freedom. It also proves once again that White Nationalism is folly.

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Posted by Selous Scout on November 07, 2012, 05:26 PM | #

The German band, Rammstein, are a jolly bunch.

I had the great pleasure of seeing them in concert this past May at the Honda Centre in Anaheim, Orange County, CA, in Leon’s neighbourhood.

Here are the lyrics of one of their smash singles, ‘Amerika’:

AMERIKA - AMERICA

We’re all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We’re all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

When I’m dancing, I want to lead,
even if you all are spinning alone,
let’s exercise a little control.
I’ll show you how it’s done right.
We form a nice round (circle),
freedom is playing on all the fiddles,
music is coming out of the White House,
and near Paris stands Mickey Mouse.

We’re all living in America…

I know steps that are very useful,
and I’ll protect you from missteps,
and anyone who doesn’t want to dance in the end,
just doesn’t know that he has to dance!
We form a nice round (circle),
I’ll show you the right direction,
to Africa goes Santa Claus,
and near Paris stands Mickey Mouse.

We’re all living in America,
America is wunderbar.
We’re all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We’re all living in America,
Coca-Cola, Wonderbra,
We’re all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

This is not a love song,
this is not a love song.
I don’t sing my mother tongue,
No, this is not a love song.

We’re all living in America,
Amerika is wunderbar.
We’re all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We’re all living in America,
Coca-Cola, sometimes WAR,
We’re all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yydlX7c8HbY

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 07, 2012, 06:56 PM | #

Franklin County, Massachusetts…“The racial makeup of the county was 95.40% White, 0.89% Black or African American, 0.29% Native American, 1.04% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.75% from other races, and 1.61% from two or more races. 1.99% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 16.2% were of English, 12.2% Irish, 12.0% Polish, 10.2% French, 7.0% French Canadian, 6.7% German, 6.1% Italian and 6.0% American ancestry according to Census 2000.” According to NYT exit polls voted 72% for Obama. Neighboring Berkshire County, “The racial makeup of the county was 95.02% White, 1.99% Black or African American, 0.15% Native American, 0.99% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 0.59% from other races, and 1.23% from two or more races. 1.69% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 16.5% were of Italian, 16.4% Irish, 10.8% French, 10.3% English, 8.0% Polish, 7.1% German, 5.8% American and 5.1% French Canadian ancestry according to Census 2000” with a marginal difference in the demographic, leaning further southern and eastern European ancestry raises Obama win percentage to 76%.

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 07, 2012, 07:17 PM | #

Tariq Ali on the US election…

Obama’s victory was no surprise. Agitated liberals, fearful that their man might lose or trying to save what was left of their depleted consciences, chose to paint Mitt Romney in garish colors, a satanic monster had to be kept out of the White House.

How lucky for liberals that Obama gave the Presidency the power to execute any US citizen without recourse to law. Had it been Bush, the Democrats would have been baying for blood in the NYRB and the NYT.

As the debates showed there were hardly any differences between the two men. Both products and defenders of the Reagan consensus, they had to fight a testy campaign in order to spend the billion dollars they had raised: the electoral stimulus that is much more generous proportionately than the other kind.

Nothing could disguise the fact that it was a painfully dull election, a tribal conflict at which little was really at stake.  Obama, with his Wall Street chums giggling hysterically, pretended to defend the poor by denouncing Mitt as a rich ‘un.  Romney, desperate to win, denouncing Barry as a radical, when, as Wall Street honchos acknowledge, he has done nothing that might make them apprehensive.

I hoped in vain for some non-political excitement that might liven things up a bit. A Biden faux-pas? A sex-scandal involving Ryan and a giraffe, Romney unveiled by a Mormon lass from yesteryear?  No such luck.

From beginning to end it was a numbers game and, unlike in Europe, the incumbent won. And then came the dreaded clichés: ‘We are not red and blue states, we are the United States.’  This was bad even by Obama’s low standards.

In the real world business will go on as usual…

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/07/the-triumph-of-conservatism/

I like Tariq - the line about Ryan fucking a giraffe was laugh out loud funny.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 07:28 PM | #

I am breathless at the stupidity - the sheer PC - of most MSM (including among “conservatives”) commentary so far. Anything to avoid noticing the elephant in the room: RACE.

RACE is electoral destiny. We lost because of demographic change brought about by mass immigration. That’s it. In the Senate we had some losses because of the fanatic wing of the prolife movement.

(Prolife is politically “correct”, so to speak - it brings in more votes than it costs - and morally correct. We Republicans will do worse if we jettison those good people. I say this even though abortion is, paradoxically, good for America: it has both a racial effect - keeping down the nonwhite population - as well as a eugenic one - most women having abortions are, er, “low income” [read: “low IQ”].)

Romney decisively won the white (aka - “American”) vote. Romney is the President of (Real) America.

Enough said.

End immigration (or start bringing in lots of whites - good luck with that), or America dies.

End race denial, or America dies.

IMMIGRATION = DIVERSITY = DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM = DEATH OF USA

Yes, take it from a Californian. It really is that simple - and every bit of empirical data backs me up.

No one sees this, but the result of this election will be the Death of America, the Death of American Conservatism, but also the Birth of a New White Nationalism.

There are a lot of conservative whites who don’t like Obama, who are not racists, but who also dislike racial socialism. They are ripe for racial nationalists’ plucking.

We whites are not just going to fade away. America is our country, and we are going to START fighting for it now (especially as the economic catastrophe and continuing antiwhite outrages render social conservatism and neoconservatism increasingly irrelevant).

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 07, 2012, 07:31 PM | #

Desmond Jones,

um, and your point is ...?

Some whites vote Democratic. Come out to LA or San Francisco. Yes, and ...

Romney won the white vote nationally, decisively.

He is the President of George Washington’s -> Ronald Reagan’s America.

Obama is President of Post-America.

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Posted by Hail on November 07, 2012, 09:55 PM | #

Leon Haller wrote:
Now we know. Obama, had he been white, would, I believe, have been defeated. His record is so poor that his reelection has shattered all past presidential reelection bromides. [...] Obama was elected because he was black- not in spite of it. And now he has been reelected because he is black. There is no other realistic way to spin this.

[...]

The population of America now has an absolute majority which is comprised of politically (if hardly racially) cohesive, bloc-voting nonwhites + whites who are either race traitors or brainwashed fools.

Leon Haller is exactly right.

The exit-poll breakdown by race is striking:

3-to-2: White-gentile margin of victory for Romney, and easy and decisive win. (White-gentiles: 70% of voters).
5-to-1 (nearly): Obama’s margin among Nonwhites, an overwhelming victory reminiscent of when non-democracies hold elections. (30% of voters).

Hispanics and ‘Asians’ both voted nearly 3-to-1 against Romney. That even Asians would vote solidly for Obama is just an obvious racial bias at work—they are opposed to a White man being president of the USA, if given the choice. Call it the in-earnest Lee-Kuan-Yew-ization of American national politics. Among Blacks, the margin for Obama was 16-to-1. The overall Nonwhite bloc vote: 46-to-10 for Obama.

We can also not neglect to mention those 2 of 5 Whites who voted for Obama: Some significant share of those, too, will have voted for Obama because he is Black, too:

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and familiarity breeds contempt. Whites in the South cannot help but hate blacks because they know them. A white man in semi-rural Massachusetts knows one older black man who delivers his mail, and he sees Morgan Freeman as God and various numinous Negroes beamed from the TV connected to a satellite dish on his roof. These white people are reflexively liberal holdovers from the New Deal and Great Society coalition. They won’t feel the effects of our demographic changes for several decades. The useful idiots are still useful, and thus will continue to read AARP to learn about all the goodies that nice black fellow Obama will be giving them

I like to call the type of White described above as ‘Racially-Naive’.

The Obama coalition: An aggressive Nonwhite bloc vote + a minority of Whites (mostly the racially naive, with gays and some feminists)

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Posted by Hail on November 07, 2012, 10:02 PM | #

5-to-1 (nearly): Obama’s margin among Nonwhites (30% of voters) [incl. Jews]

If the ‘American’ electorate has a 30% (and growing) Nonwhite voting bloc, one that gives a Nonwhite-Democrat a 5-to-1 margin against a White-Republican, then there may never be another White president of the entity we now know as the USA. It looks that way.

Republicans will have to field a Nonwhite candidate, or be overwhelmed by an Anti-White bloc vote that will suffocate the life out of the campaign headed by a White man.

It’s still possible for a White to be elected as a Democrat. He/she would still get most Nonwhite votes, but Nonwhite turnout would be lower and less-suffocating. (WASP-seeming Democrat Kerry managed perhaps not even 60% of the Hispanic vote [Steve Sailer says it was 60%, though the original report was 56%). But, then again, the Democrats, as a party, are probably about half Nonwhite by this point. The viciously-fought primary campaign of 2008, shows that Whites will have a harder time getting the nomination of the Democrats. We’ll recall that Hillary Clinton lost in 2008, essentially because she was White (again, an absolutely-overhwelming Nonwhite bloc, even more important in a Democrat-Only voting setting, gave many delegates to Obama, and the Nonwhite and many SWPL ‘Superdelegates’ supported Obama because of his glorious diversity, and agitated for all to support him for the same).

The result is, plausibly, never again seeing a White person leading the USA.

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Posted by Hail on November 07, 2012, 10:23 PM | #

Leon Haller wrote:
Obama is President of Post-America.

The Historic American Nation Has Ended. When Did it End?

America circa 1960 was still definitely a country symbolized by George Washington, and America circa 2010 had definitely ceased to be that country. The grey area lies between 1960 and 2010.

The seeds were sown earlier than this grey area between 1960 and 2000, but that the transition occurred then is obvious.

I doubt you could have found even one Founding Father of the USA who would have been anything but utterly disgusted at the prospect of a ‘Barack Hussein Obama’ being President of the United States.

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Posted by Lurker on November 07, 2012, 10:56 PM | #

Graham - good to see Laibach getting a mention and you’ve seen them too. Im jealous!

Check these out people.

This is their classic track I suppose: Life is Life. Got it on vinyl many years ago.

This is great too: Across the Universe

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Posted by Lurker on November 07, 2012, 11:11 PM | #

Selous Scout - Rammstein are a jolly bunch and I think they owe more than a little to Laibach, dont know if they have ever publically acknowledged that.

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 07, 2012, 11:18 PM | #

um, and your point is ...?

Stupid is as stupid says…?

If the White Catholic vote turned out for Romney in the manner they turned out for Obama, it’s a Romney landslide.

America circa 1960 was still definitely a country symbolized by George Washington, and America circa 2010 had definitely ceased to be that country. The grey area lies between 1960 and 2010.

Except of course that it wasn’t. JFK won with an alliance of Catholics (78%) and Southerners. Two years later he was forcing integration upon residents of Birmingham Alabama schools at the point of a gun. For almost a century after the end of the Civil War Birmingham was a liveable Southern city for Whites despite the likes of Thaddeus Stevens. Now, it is virtually abandoned by Whites.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/06/08/jefferson-county-birmingham-layoffs-occupational-tax-budget-shortfall/

Iowa City gave Obama 66% of their vote. Johnson County is 42% (majority) Catholic.

The racial makeup of the county was 90.13% White, 2.90% Black or African American, 0.28% Native American, 4.12% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 1.01% from other races, and 1.51% from two or more races. 2.51% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

Compare Sioux County, Iowa of which 84% of the vote was cast for Romney.

The racial makeup of the county was 97.33% White, 0.20% Black or African American, 0.13% Native American, 0.59% Asian, 0.01% Pacific Islander, 1.20% from other races, and 0.53% from two or more races. 2.56% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

The difference…“As of 2011 80% of Sioux County residents were descendants of Dutch immigrants.”

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Posted by Classic Sparkle on November 08, 2012, 12:06 AM | #

That’s the way the world ends, I told myself, not with a bang but with a nigger.

I can’t believe you beat me to that one.

Fucking classic mate. Classic.

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Posted by Silver on November 08, 2012, 02:26 AM | #

One of West’s worst follies in its pretence to universalism – that our way of being in the world is universal and can and should be applicable across space and time (a regime of ‘spaceless universalism’ in Schmitt’s telling phrase) regardless that we and our ways of being are deeply non-universal and particularistic in nature. Of course America most embodies the cult of ‘spaceless universalism’ more that any European nation – even France with its universalistic ideology of the Revolution cannot, due to linguistic brute realities, seriously think of itself as the ‘universal’ nation – it is but one amongst many.

It depends on what you’re referring to.  Much of it doesn’t seem all that “particularistic in nature” at all, both because it hasn’t always existed in the west—it had to be invented/discovered—and because it’s so eagerly absorbed by others as they become aware of it.  I have in mind here such things as methods of production, governance systems, legal systems, rationality, universal education (and the narrow band of alternatives associated with all these that are actually effective).  People the world over find all this to their liking.  Name one people that appears not to.  On the other hand, if you’re talking about concepts like extreme individualism, race-replacement immigrationism, self-abnegating diversity-worship or the infusion of faggotry into all cultural spaces, then you’ll find very few willing takers. 

Why is it ‘hateful’ to tell the truth – an obvious truth to anyone with an IQ above room temperature and the ability to pay attention for more than 5 nanoseconds?

Because of the—I think as Haller put it—unseemly glee with which you go about it.

 

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Posted by Silver on November 08, 2012, 03:00 AM | #

The seeds were sown earlier than this grey area between 1960 and 2000, but that the transition occurred then is obvious.

As far as Australia goes (and this may hold true for America and elsewhere as well), the 1980s were the last “great white decade.” I base this on my observations of the “WASPs” (in American-speak) I grew up around.  The institutions had all been infected with self-abnegation by then, but the average man on the street was consciously white and proud of it and the surrounding culture mostly supported this identity.  For instance, it was still possible to crack ethnic jokes with impunity on national television at this time; my school sung both the Australian national anthem as well as “God Save The Queen” at assemblies; the Salvation Army band would march down residential streets playing Christmas carols, confident that its product was to the liking of all. 

The transition to cultural self-doubt that swept the country took place remarkably quickly.  By the mid-90s signs that a new era may be dawning were everywhere, and by the end of that decade few were any longer willing to voice resistance to it and the country seemed to settle into an uneasy peace with it.  Fast-forward another ten years and all resistance seems to have collapsed, the only holdouts being a tiny handful of ideological resistors hopelessly confused as to the way forward from here on out.  The thinking among the rest of the formerly resistant set is probably best described by the attitude of “if we have to live with these fuckers, if there’s not going to be any deporting them, then fuck it, we may as well be friendly.”  The thinkers among them might add, ”—and that way we might at least win some support on the cultural issues.”  (The last a position represented by “cultural nationalists” like Britain’s Paul Weston.)

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Posted by Wandrin on November 08, 2012, 05:04 AM | #

It’s obviously true that the Republican’s cannot win without reaching out from their own base.

It’s obviously untrue. Romney won where white voters vote as a racial bloc in the same way the other racial groups vote as a racial bloc. That’s the only they can win.

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Posted by daniels. on November 08, 2012, 05:10 AM | #

P.S. I have many America friends and enjoy some American thinkers, writers, artists etc., so I don’t ‘hate’ Americans per se, but I seriously loathe the ideological formation summed up as ‘Americanism’. A people and the regime they live under are not one and the same are they?

What self-respecting European patriot could possibly subscribe to the American ideology?

Hi Graham,

The fact is that I am in large agreement with your criticism of America, its politics and the philosophical underpinnings thereof – even the pejorative characterization of adherent segments of its population.
I should not have used the word “hate”, as in, suggesting that you hate Americans. I was not serious, but it was still too strong, a poor choice of words - the kind of statement that could poison people’s feelings toward you, so I would not want to joke around too much, though uKn Leo had a good take:

uKn_Leo
 
Don’t worry Dan, G_L is just being Scottish.

You get used to it after a few centuries.

LOL

However that, ironically, touches upon a point that I might make: that there is a deep connection with European Americans. They might get used to you as they have only been there for a few centuries – not enough to breed out their Europeanness, certainly not altogether. And some of us would like to get used to a few more centuries of our Scottish neighbors (from wherever in the world), maybe literally as European neighbors, or maybe as more distantly located neighbors.

There is another point that I want to go into a little. It has to do with radical skepticism behind liberal American philosophy and ideology.

You touch upon this here:

Sure Americans do have the ‘thin’ concept of American patriotism but that is a superficial paper tiger only wrapping up yet more liberal-individualist ontology in a cheap piece of cloth – the propositional nation etc., along with that other feature of the American political imagination – being the ‘universal exception’. That is that America is somehow the exceptional nation that all others wish to ape in every regard and also the universal nation defining the very horizon of social, cultural, political etc., possibilities. Inevitably such idiotic hubris destroys those that seriously believe such mythologies.

Indeed, for people like me, and I am not alone, this logic of skepticism, disengagement, unwillingness or modern forbidenness, its-not-cool-ness, to be engaged with our people, to be anything but different, an individual, did lead not only to our alienation and isolation, not only from other Europeans, but in ultimate irony, from America, as you suggest.

For someone like myself, inadvisably weaned on the cynicism of Frank Zappa music, the logical consequence of skepticism was laid bare (its consequence is to outstrip the supportive context of the skeptic) such that I could never really suspend disbelief in American politics and philosophy enough to enmesh in its ways, nor derive great personal reward. I would listen:

Mister America

Walk on by

Your schools that do not teach

Mister America

Walk on by

The minds that won’t be reached

Mister America

Try to hide

The emptiness that’s you inside

When once you find that the way you lied

And all the corny tricks you tried

Will not forestall the rising tide of

Hungry freaks, Daddy . . .

They won’t go

For no more

Great mid-western hardware store

Philosophy that turns away

From those who aren’t afraid to say

What’s on their minds

(The left-behinds of the Great Society)

Hungry freaks, Daddy . . .

Mister America

Walk on by

Your supermarket dream

Mister America

Walk on by

The liquor store supreme

Mister America

Try to hide

The product of your savage pride

The useful minds that it denied

The day you shrugged and stepped aside

You saw their clothes and then you cried:

THOSE HUNGRY FREAKS, DADDY!

They won’t go

For no more

Great mid-western hardware store

Philosophy that turns away

From those who aren’t afraid to say

What’s on their minds

(The left-behinds of the Great Society)

While there are the kinds in America that you portray: the Glenn Beck Rally types and the Christian Zionists, there are also many who do not take America so uncritically, but view it a bit ironically – on a deeper level they Must feel themselves some kind of European who happens to have found themselves in America, where they do the best they can. At its best, America provided a haven for Europeans who were morally conscientious, circumspect, who had been trashed by corrupt elitists in Europe. Of course, it became clear that America was not going to work out that way, in humanitarian circumspection – as they’d get trashed there too.

Nevertheless, the Glenn Beck viewer type and religious types will sometimes turn out to be those kind, the nicest people of all. Sometimes not, its true, and that is why I tend to enjoy your criticisms, only wishing for our own interests that the overall characterization might be refined a bit regarding European American people. You are right, there can be some stubborn knots there; one of the last times I was in the States, I broached an issue that I was sure to resonate with some of the working class guys that I talked with: “don’t athletes make too much money?” I couldn’t believe it – they almost violently defended the athletes right to make millions because the owners were making millions (some how, it seems to me that neither deserve quite so much for that, but anyway)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hKHQM-xed4 

I supposed they would defend Lawrence Taylor and other Negro athlete’s “right” to have harems of White women, too.

There are these Americans who deserve derision – Glenn Beck, Christian Zionists who support Israel’s and the military industrial complex’s wars; sports fans and their color blindness; the Rush scumball types, etc. who, as you say, will

even read up on the way, somehow in mysterious fashion, the ‘free-market’ will ride to your collective political and cultural rescue.

Never-mind you can all cheer yourselves up by watching some Glenn Beck and have a lachrymose rally to restore ‘honor’ or some such trivia. Or even pop alone to the local mega-church and pretend as if such activity is fit for adult human beings.

America - the subliminal mind-fuck!

Now on this particular issue I’m with Schmitt – against any ideological regime of ‘spaceless universalism’.
Enjoy being a richer version of Brazil. But remember you are NOT your brother’s keeper – you owe no gratitude or loyalty to kith and kin, there is no intra and inter-generational ‘moral economy’ – why that’s evil collectivism! Or worst still ethno-socialism!

No ‘sovereign individualism’ is definitely the way to go.

In a word carry on collectively being politically illiterate fuckwits – an oxymoron of individualists.

There was a generation of patriotic Americans, like my father, who identified as an American, appreciated the ability to elevate his status, did indeed, make decent money honestly enough, while having started out poor, did not appreciate European snobbery, who chided the French (“how quick they forget they’d be speaking German if not for us”). But some among a later generation began feeling the consequences of America’s susceptibilities, and simply could not be quite so patriotic as my father’s generation – the deterioration had gone too far.

More, I think that many, if not most Americans do identify with Europeans and their interests – if not in entirety, then with one or a few European countries.

The reason why I go into this, is not only because I am quite sure that European Americans, if they know what’s good for them, are fighting an allied cause with European Europeans, and not only because I see you as underestimating the extent to which many European Americans already see no conflict between their view and say, a Scottish nationalist view, and not only for the most meaningful reason perhaps, that it is therefore unnecessarily divisive, but because I have personally experienced being trashed as an American, by a European, post-Marxist mindset: how well meaning I was, how much good could have been all around and how much cruel destruction instead – largely because of misplaced jealousy and largely because there is not an understanding of the bitter (nightmarishly bitter!) challenges that American face, how hard working that they can be and the genuine good will (toward fellow Europeans) that can exist in many of them.

Instead of being open to that, all many Europeans want to hear is what a great opportunity that Americans have, how merely lucky they are, how uncultured and crass they are, how they should be punished for everything the Jew media says that they should be punished for. Talk about crass – Europeans think Jew media portrays Americans and American reality.

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Posted by daniels. on November 08, 2012, 05:14 AM | #

I found, just as you have noted, that the American liberal political philosophy is destructive; that the notion on the lips of so many, “that it does not matter where you come from, or what color you are” is an evil farce. So much so that in the mid nineties, I made my mind up to return to one of my two homelands: Italy or Poland.

Poland turned out to be more feasible, especially economically. My motives were and are good. I sought the protection and well being of the people and all Europeans. True, I was not fully articulate as yet: though I had serious misgivings about Jews (esp. media and academia) I did not fully understand as yet the full basis for their mistrust of Jews; I could not understand why they were Not more worried and angry about Germans than they were; I did not understand the intense concern about Turks among some; I was sorry that they liked America as much as they did – and tried to warn them and prepare them. Nevertheless, I was accountable – and I always cared about Europeans and always wanted the European nations to be for the European peoples – so, I was corrigible as to pejorative influences and emphases.

They were neo-capitalists, having emerged from Marxism. Ok, I knew the drawbacks, but had a little to invest from my share of my father’s house – not very much, but enough at the time so that if invested wisely, it could have become substantial enough to think about a family, a good life – and here is the point: a means to help good and loyal Europeans (in this case, Poles, financially). It could have been so good all around.

Instead the community (and yes, this is where I began to become really skeptical of the notion of communitarianism) put me up on a pedestal as an American, so that they could take me down to show me that they were better, I was set upon with a hornets nest of gossip about my being a racist, being all about money and promiscuous (I will only cop to being a racist).

While the locals went around and had sex with fair regularity (and yes, I saw it as their prerogative and not exactly mine, so I was a bit shy), I sought an appropriate wife for myself, but was really not sure who was right, and needed to date some. I was also shy because I had not had sex in years (I was grossed out by American woman – to me, any woman who would even want to stay there became suspect), so I did, indeed, visit four or five prostitutes for the first and only time in my life – because any normal woman who was close enough to my age would have had way more sex than me and I did not want them to say that I was trying to make them feel guilty. (ok, it was tactless of me to not realize gossip might get out about that, to not realize that something that might be looked upon as a forgivable transgression for local guys might not be quite so for me, but still my motives were basically obsequious and I was amenable to account).

My father had died 8 months before and I was having to fight my siblings for a modest share to invest, was there to talk about possibilities with my cousins, who were just as poor and Polish as anybody: but no, I was the evil American and the local girls knew what it was all about from the Hymiewood movies they watched, so I should be plundered – and man did the “defenders of their virtue” (read criminals, who will conjure any excuse to steal, and slander) torture me with their Hegelian dialectic. Didn’t I need a
”lesson” for being such an evil capitalist? Racist? for thinking that I might be worthy of them? It was a sadistic labyrinth. It derived not only of a Jewish/Marxist mind set which would mischaracterize me as a shallow, un-conscientious, non-European man at heart, but their pseudo means of getting at the truth (and this is where I would prefer a different metaphor to the scientific one of the laboratory of the states – though not changing the idea of different places for people to go for different ways of life, as its implications of theoria, of experiment and testing, being applied to people - as opposed to praxis - along with “lesson giving”) can potentially justify all manner of abuse, as it sadistically did: that Hegelian (there’s that word again, meaning a rigid, determinist process that follows inexorably) logical process was used supposedly, to get at the true “truth” of what I was about: guilty until proven innocent of being a bad willed American, one who sought to disrupt the ancient ecologies of Europe (or, from a Jewish perspective, to bring American racism to Europe), one who deserved to be tortured and destroyed in return for kindness, generosity and good will.

I guess that what I am saying is that European Americans do have a connection to Europe and European peoples; even if it would not be a good idea for a large percentage of European Americans to return to Europe and an even worse idea for them to bring liberal American philosophy and politics to Europe.
Nevertheless, you can take the man out of Europe but you cannot take the Europe out of the man, especially not after only a couple hundred years. Wouldn’t you agree, Graham, you have much more kinship and concern for a Scotsman who was born in America than with a Black born in Scotland? And isn’t that the point?

Anti-American sentiment taken to an extreme, has devastated my capacity to be generous and cooperative with the European peoples whom I genuinely care about and wanted to help – their willful skepticism about my motives, wanting to believe I was a selfish, individualist capitalist pig, had an exponential negative impact on me and the means I have to help my cause.

While it further radicalized my already radical view and brought me into open activism a few years back, I am not yielding much for myself personally. It’s sad that an abundance of wonderful win-win opportunities – which I had to wait a life time to act upon -devolved so largely into an either/or: my personal interests or activism on behalf of Europeans. It didn’t have to but for some techno nerds and “honest workers” (as if I was not honestly working and did not deserve to invest the money from my father’s house with my cousins) disingenuously, perhaps (to cover up their baroque jealousy), conflated theoria (which worked well to isolate and find the truth behind technical problems), with the multi-interactive praxis of the social world that needs largely to be negotiated with words to cover necessary factors in space and time.

Notice how it became unfashionable, how we were all supposed to move beyond words, at the time in PC’s onslaught when it would have been more than appropriate for White men to defend themselves rhetorically? No, I do not believe words are the domain of Jews only; I think they are adept at playing both sides of a Hegelian dialectic, as usual..

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 08, 2012, 06:56 AM | #

Desmond Jones @36

Why don’t you state your point in plain language?

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Posted by Jannik on November 08, 2012, 08:52 AM | #

Havent posted much on this site. But I will applaud Guessedworker for making an interesting website which i have visited many times in the last 5-7 years.

All this talk about americanization, and the artistic reaction to it, made me think of a particular song that I havent heard for years.

I really think that he nailed it with the scathing sarcasm. 

Americanos (Holly Johnson 1989)

There’s a place where a kid without a cent
He can grow up to be president.
A magic kingdom filled with Barbie dolls
If you’ve got the time we can make it a good time.

Americanos - Blue Jeans and Chinos
CokePepsi and Oreos - Americanos.

Movies and heroes in the land of the free
You can be what you wanna be.

They know how to advertise
Sell you anything at any price
Need it or not that’s what you got yeah.

Take no bull from anyone we just wanna have some fun
We got the Queen of Soul created to Rock’n Roll yeah!

Americanos - Blue Jeans and Chinos
CokePepsi and Oreos - Americanos.

Low riding Chicanos in the land of the free
You can be what you wanna be.

Satellite stations across the nation
That’s cable TV for you and me.
Im’ cleaning kitchens washing pots and pans
Everything’s organized from crime to leisure time.
High schools and swimming pools
king sharks and fools.

Americanos - Blue Jeans and Chinos…
Americanos - Blue Jeans and Chinos…

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Posted by Thorn on November 08, 2012, 09:22 AM | #

Since some folks are posting song lyrics wrt an F’ed up U.S.A., I thought post one of my faves:

WAYLON JENNINGS & WILLIE NELSON - THE YEAR 2003 MINUS 25 LYRICS

Welcome to 2003 minus 25 Oh, say can you smell her for the smoke

God’s still up there laughin’ so He’s gotta be alive Who says He can’t take a dirty joke

Power isn’t, power does and power slips awayIt’s so easy to abuse

Who’d've thought them Arabs would’ve boughtThe USA just to give it to the Jews (HEH!)

Singin’ crime still don’t pay just like it used toAnd you know that time slips away till you die

And you know that I don’t give a damn when I choose toAnd you know that it don’t hurt so bad when you’re high

Oh, say does the future of the homesickAnd the brave even matter anymoreThere ain’t no more reason for them boysTo run away than there was to fight before

Would you tell me why the hell we’d try to win back in a warWhat we wasted in the last?Might just ain’t as righteous as it used to be beforeWhen your army’s out of gas

Singin’ crime still don’t pay just like it used toAnd you know that time slips away till you dieAnd you know that I don’t give a damn when I choose toAnd you know that it don’t hurt so bad when you’re high

Singin’ crime still don’t pay just like it used toAnd you know that time slips away till you die

And you know that I don’t give a damn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c3eCnWTAMo

 

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Posted by Classic Sparkle on November 08, 2012, 02:10 PM | #

No, I do not believe words are the domain of Jews only; I think they are adept at playing both sides of a Hegelian dialectic, as usual..

It doesn’t make much sense to play one side…

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Posted by daniels. on November 08, 2012, 02:12 PM | #

What are David Duke and James Edwards doing with this equal rights for everyone crap?

Duke is saying best man for the job, he “does not want ‘African Americans’ discriminated against either if they are the ‘best’ qualified.” Edwards has been taking that line as well… right wingers, uhg!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2012/11/06/eddie-murphy-maxim-model-girlfriend-dating-paige-butcher/1686351/

Is that combination for real?

When was the last time in 100,000 years that a Black gave birth to a White woman?

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Posted by daniels. on November 08, 2012, 02:17 PM | #

Posted by Classic Sparkle on November 08, 2012, 02:10 PM | #

No, I do not believe words are the domain of Jews only; I think they are adept at playing both sides of a Hegelian dialectic, as usual..

It doesn’t make much sense to play one side…


But it can be at very least tempting, to play one side, when it is more honest and coherently in line with one’s interests.


The Jewish take on it, as I understand: problem - reaction - solution

is just one way of formulating “the dialectic process”

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 08, 2012, 05:34 PM | #

As I remarked in an email to GW far too much intellectual and political energy is spent on America at MR.

Europeans simply have to accept the working hypothesis that we are moving into a multi-polar world; very much a ‘post-Atlantic’ world.

I’m not sure that Europeans would or should accept a deluge of Americans. Americans that would bring with them, no doubt, their societally disastrous witches brew of Locke, Hayek, Nozick et al., accompanied with an insistent, even fanatical, but terribly earnest preaching of how we need more individual liberty etc., or more zealous and dogmatic ‘free-marketry’ in the same mode as Mr. Leon “I know the price of everything and the value of nothing” Haller.

All while the very same ideological framework moves towards its own autoteleological terminus in the land of the free. Moreover whatever ideological themes shapes the American experience and political imagination they do seem woefully inadequate don’t they? After all the USA was 90%+ Euro and now minority status rapidly beckons.

Now this will be a controversial suggestion – but Euro America must be considered primarily culpable for allowing this state of affairs to occur. Using an aetiology derived from immunology, it is rather as if a deadly virus (along the lines of HIV/Aids) is in the environment and certain people engage in every possible dangerous activity conceivable (in terms of contracting the imaginary virus) and then on learning they are almost certain to be killed by the consequences of their own behaviour ‘blame’ the virus. That would amount to a very simple-mined view of the casual nexus in operation. The virus might have been a necessary element in the story but it was hardly a sufficient condition by itself. Indeed, if the patient, as well as behaving in quite idiotic and risky ways, had also already suffered from a weak immune system (for whatever reason) then the casual weighting of the virus in their premature death would be even lower. The virus might be the final straw that broke the camel’s back, so to speak, but not by any means the only straw.

Which Catalan, Basque, Dane, Finn, Italian, Serb, Greek et al., with a political IQ above room temperature, could possibly look at the USA and judging it in its totality subsequently think “we need to become more like those guys?”

Seriously why should they look to ape such disastrous failure?

Still I’m sure life will be bearable and comfortable enough in the near future. The Hallers of the future can make enough money speculating in credit default swaps and God know what else to buy a very cozy place in a high-class ‘gated community’; the Bowerys of the future can all find a nice quite spot in the Black Hills of South Dakota and practice as ‘individual sovereigns’ their duelling skills; and the Renners of the future can tell anyone that will listen of the immediate ‘inevitability’ of the Ogygian deluge and call such banality ‘meta-politics’, yes?

I doubt ‘civil war’ will be observed; rather most people will just ‘get on’ with life, work and leisure - recreational drugs and sex, the Playstation and the Xbox etc., and other forms of joyless hedonism in a sub-Nietzschean ‘last men’ modality: the cry was “Give me convenience or give me death!”.

Incidentally, I noted that two states have voted in referenda to make marijuana 100% legal (with no ‘for medical use’ qualification). It will be cocaine and heroin next – the Borkian ‘deviancy constant’ will kick in. In this regard those states are now ahead in policy terms of the ultra-liberal Netherlands (which in drug policy terms is actually moving in the opposite way). Of course the population of the USA is the largest per capita consumers of illegal recreational drugs on the planet and in absolute terms the USA is also, I believe, the worlds largest market for such drugs. I’ll leave others to tell me what it says about a society when the favoured pastime of very large proportion of its population is to radically alter or temporarily obliterate their consciousness.

Returning to my theme of the future, in the slightly longer perspective we might well be writing and reading the history of having attempted various ‘inorganic’ simulacra of European societies in the ‘New World’ and view such as monstrous follies and/or historical curiosities. However, Europe existed before America and it will be here long after it has ‘gone’. If I believe in one socio-political ‘certitude’ it is that.

Now frankly as Rufus Wainwright sings I’m so tired of America. Extremely tired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtVyl402W5s&

P. S. “problem - reaction – solution” - oh no do we have yet another Ickologist at MR now?

I do believe the “problem – reaction – solution” phrase and wider trope is one of Mr. Icke’s favourites.

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Posted by James Bowery on November 08, 2012, 06:59 PM | #

If one were to take the energy GL spends on trash-talking individuals and cultures and divert even half of it to his own ideas on how to proceed with restoring Europe, there might be a prayer for MR in two ways:

1) It would become much less a ghetto.
2) It might actually educate some of we heathens.

However, it is apparent that he has nothing of substance to offer and manages to avoid facing his own vacuity by substituting energetic flame wars for contribution.

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Posted by daniels on November 09, 2012, 01:29 AM | #

P. S. “problem - reaction – solution” - oh no do we have yet another Ickologist at MR now?

I do believe the “problem – reaction – solution” phrase and wider trope is one of Mr. Icke’s favourites.

No, Graham,

The only place I have ever heard of David Icke is from you. I gather he is a conspiracy theorist. I do not like them either.

I have seen your criticisms of Marxism, so I know that when we speak about leftism we are not drawing cartoons, but talking about a soft (except with regard to demographics - there, not soft), ethno-leftism.

In distinction from other forms of the Hegelian dialectic, I was suggesting that that is the way Marxists use it do defraud outsiders: they create a problem, look for the overcompensating, imbalanced reaction, then propose a solution that is easy for them to exploit.

Coming out of my situation, I always had a burning desire to cooperate and loved the idea of it. As luck would have it, I discovered (as it was described to me by an anthropologist of American and English parentage) that the communist mindset had the ironic upshot of making people more competitive and individualistic than ever (because you had to steal in order to survive). Therefore, I was subject to an elaborate version of the prisoner’s dilemma beautifully described by Bowery.

Pila, Poland, was where the Polish version of the KGB’s former members went and took over local government after the fall of communism - unbeknownst to me. Unfortunately, that is where I found myself because that is where my cousins happened to live. Ironically, I thought I’d be safe from organized crime because they were there and I sought to invest with them. However, being the only American in town, I was treated to lovely KGB style games as a reality not as a conspiracy theory. They knew who I needed, how to turn them against me etc, etc. it was horrible.

Moving on..

Once again, I basically agree with your criticism of American political philosophy but not European Americans.

In terms of biology, as opposed to European Europeans, American Europeans may have greater peaks and valleys, very smart, very stupid, very weak, very strong, but America’s potential to allow for different, creative expressions of European ways of life was a strong point, in my estimation - a very good possibility. Something like the laboratory of the states would carry on with that possibility.

That is to address its positive side, however. Maybe it is necessary to be strongly anti-American, as you are, precisely because it is such a powerful beast. I trust also, that is why MR deals with America as much as it does, because there is no escaping its influence for the time being, unfortunately (that is what I found, the hard way, as you saw - the influence of America’s hymiewood movies!).

However, if Lockeatine individual rights left America and Americans susceptible, is the virus to blame? Well, as you know, I have been addressing both issues as problematic, and I am pretty sure that the “virus” is agentive - it knows what is doing. As a hyper-ethnocentric agenda, its workings are far more verifiable than the standard conspiracy theory. Moreover, my experience tells me to trust my experience and my experience backs it up. However, I am convinced that you are right, that Lockeatine rights are a disaster - lately, Duke and Edwards are saying they want equal rights for all, best man for the job (and best comedian, Eddy Murphy, for our women too?)! I thought they were supposed to be advocating separatism and the protection of our qualities, not a quantity of rights! Yes, Americans can be stupid - not that Duke and Edwards don’t do some fine work but that?!

I hope you don’t stop calling me Danny. It is a good feeling to have such a cool guy and learned man as Dr. Lister address me in friendly terms and to take my side. I do respect you and I have respected the Scots since I can remember.

Before he finally resigned to become a truck driver in order to take care of his kids, my father apprenticed with Scottish pattern-makers. I remember him commenting: “I couldn’t shine those guys shoes.”

My student’s report on Dr. Lister is in the high nineties, and it is daunting to address those few points, as it is with Mr. Bowery, that maybe could use some adjustment.

I am trying desperately to get European peoples to fight on the same side, no matter where they are - I believe they do not have to be in conflict. No good European person, wherever they are, would want Scotland to be less than 95% native Scottish - and it should be a higher percentage than that, even.

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 09, 2012, 02:43 AM | #

That’s the only they can win.


There is the issue of voter turnout that appears unique to Obama.

Popular vote in 2000 50,456,002 50,999,897 Bush/Gore

Popular vote in 2004 62,040,610 59,028,444 Bush/Kerry

Popular vote in 2009 69,456,897[2] 59,934,814[2] Obama/McCain

Popular vote in 2012 61,112,143[2] 58,122,514[2] Obama/Romney

If Romney had Bush’s 2004 turnout (R + 3) he beats Obama. The issue for Republicans is turning out their vote. Or in 2016, when the Obama team is gone, will the Democrat nominee be able to turnout the vote in the same numbers Obama did? If the Dems can only get Gore numbers then Republicans may take back the Whitehouse.

 

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 09, 2012, 03:03 AM | #

However, if Lockeatine individual rights left America and Americans susceptible,

It’s obvious they didn’t for anyone with eyes to see. It’s the entrenchment and protection of group rights that is the issue. Non-discrimination is not a principle of Locke’s. Group rights, protection from discrimination because of race, creed, religion et al is not is not part of Locke’s philosophy. It is founded in Jewish/Catholic rejection of the freedom of association.

Is it really surprising that Edwards is pushing merit? We’ve seen the result of an open racial message from the BNP. It is wholly and completely rejected. They hope merit will play to Whites in a fashion racial consciousness does not because it is a message for the individual. Merit is advantage Whites, end affirmative action, hire police fire etc. forces based upon their ability not some racial quota.

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Posted by daniels. on November 09, 2012, 03:37 AM | #

Non-discrimination is not a principle of Locke’s.

It absolutely was a principle of his: all individuals had the same perceptions therefore they should not be discriminated against on the basis of social classifications - viz., his concern as to not be discriminated against by the English Aristocratic class. However, he abstracted that to the sense that all social classifications were a fiction of the mind.

Group advocacy, such as found in the he civil rights act of 1964 was a reversal of individual rights in favor of Black group advocacy (later gays, women, disabled, etc). The 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act also advocated discriminatory immigration on behalf of non-European groups.

Brown vs. Board of Education’s using “individual rights” to prohibit White group discrimination of Blacks from White schools was apparently the initial move, however.

There, Jewish interests used the susceptibility of Lockeatine individual rights to transgress White interests.

After that, Jewish interests turned Locke on his head - the 64 and 65 Acts not having to do with Locke but with group advocacy as you say.

Group rights would not be a bad if they are allowed for White groups, but they do not, as per Jewish power.

Individual rights are a very flawed concept as I’ve gone into, in several places, but they’d be better than nothing if Whites could have them.

I supposed that it what Duke and Edwards are hoping for - but it is a bad strategy.

They should not advocate playing games with non-Whites.

If they want to advocate something commonsensical and visceral, they should be advocating freedom of (from) association and separatism as a necessity to avoid exploitation and death - that would be qualitative and take us feasibly in the right direction.

Arguing equal rights takes us into quantitative arguments that will make us look bad and entail terrible casualties before it becomes clear to all Whites that it is a failed strategy. They will not care about our rights.

They might understand that we need and want to be separate if we abandon them and give them an offer they cannot refuse if they insist on transgressing our separatism.

 

 

 

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Posted by whitacre on November 09, 2012, 04:02 AM | #

If Romney had Bush’s 2004 turnout (R + 3) he beats Obama. The issue for Republicans is turning out their vote.

There may also have been a “Ron Paul effect”:

http://www.dailypaul.com/262331/the-ron-paul-effect-how-the-gop-threw-the-election-by-disenfranchising-ron-paul-supporters

“New analysis reveals that in no less than five states, Romney’s margin of loss to President Obama in the general election was less than the number of votes received by Ron Paul in that state’s primary.

In Florida, for example, Obama defeated Romney by 46,000 votes; meanwhile, Ron Paul received over 117,000 votes in the primary. If only 40% of these Ron Paul Republicans stayed home on Election Day, it would have been enough to cost Romney the state and its 29 electoral votes.

A similar case can be made for Connecticut, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Virginia. Along with Florida, these five states account for a whopping 71 Electoral College votes. Remember that Obama earned 332 electoral votes compared to Romney’s 206. Had Romney won these five states, they would have been sufficient to give him a narrow 277-261 victory over the President.”

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Posted by Bill on November 09, 2012, 04:20 AM | #

@49 @51

David Icke.  Asset or liability to the cause?  Let our readers decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nMq6gc1yMg

I’m saying nowt!

Note.  Wogan is a long time institution at the BBC.  He is now retired.

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Posted by daniels on November 09, 2012, 06:19 AM | #

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Posted by Bill on November 09, 2012, 04:20 AM | #

@49 @51

David Icke.  Asset or liability to the cause?  Let our readers decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nMq6gc1yMg

I’m saying nowt!

Note.  Wogan is a long time institution at the BBC.  He is now retired.


I watched the clip. It is the first I’ve ever seen of David Icke.

Liability.

His style of argumentation, lineal, sensational and speculative, coupled as it may be, with important insights, can make an important cause look ridiculous and distract from the proper measures to be taken in its organization.

He does come close to naming the Jew in that clip. But that just may illustrate the point. Perhaps some would associate sober minded people with having become critical of Jews through ridiculous, lineal and singular arguments like David Icke’s - I suppose Icke sees this all as a grand battle of good and evil in which evil is prevailing? - that kind of universalism is indeed, a New Age-headed liability. No, I prefer normal experience, learning from evolutionary psychologists such as Dr. MacDonald, and the corroborating insights of many non sensational others.

That’s all I’ve seen of Icke. As conspiratorial as I’ll go: Perhaps people such as him and McGowan (another conspiracy theorist, whose efforts I have seen for the first time) are under the influence of post hypnotic suggestion to make advocates of European peoples look ridiculous by associating key moves with absurdities.

- project for the new American Century = ancient Babylon, etc.

Liability.


Is Icke where the notion of monocauslity has germinated with regard to the Jews?

Duke, Linder and MacDonald would be the closest White advocates that I know of to being monocausalists, but that would be distorting of them to suggest that they are perfectly simple and quite so lineal as Icke seems to be from that clip.


I have a natural aversion to conspiracy theories.

Primarily because I have not found them to be necessary.

Even if you take 9-11: it does matter if Mossad was behind it, but not to the point where it is an indispensable argument for building a case that Jewish interests and international banking are poison to White interests. There would be a clear connection there, whether it was Mossad, Al-Kaida or CIA behind that particular incident. Even if it were just Al-Kaida behind it, angry with the US for having Soldiers in Saudi and for taking Israel’s side in all matters of relevance, 9-11 would still point to Israel as a pejorative influence - very difficult to believe Arabs would be that angry at the Israeli/US connection for no reason, as if they were angry with Israel because it was so pure and innocent in its motives.

Bottom line: conspiracy theories are more likely to serve as diversions than an incisive insight.


Note: I hear the word monocausality and it suggests to me that the conversation might be usefully broadened with terms of equiprimordiality, equifinality, multiprimordiality, multifinality..


The examples of how Jews have it in for Whites are legion. See the determination of this Jewish lawyer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Leibowitz and his (literally) communist backers. White interests play no concern in his motives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCBV-GhyINY


Katzenbach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Katzenbach is one of the key figures behind the 1964 “Civil Rights Act”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6TDNSN7qSg

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Posted by Bill on November 09, 2012, 06:48 AM | #

All aboard! Next stop Syria.

Obama - Cameron wasting no time after the election.

Did you see Cameron on the Syrian Turkish border on last nights BBC news?

Each war we fight is a little morality play, in which Uncle Sam is the avenging angel and the target country is the seat of evil in the world: from Saddam Hussein to Bashar al-Assad, they are all eminently qualified as hate objects – and no match for the US. Like ancient Romans turning “thumbs down” on their victims in the arena, our chattering classes are entertained by these wars of “liberation.” They can tweet to each other the evidence of their invincible virtue, while they imagine themselves the lords and ladies of creation.

Has a more decadent and brazenly hypocritical political class ever existed anywhere on earth? Such hubris is bound to be punished by the gods, and as far as I’m concerned it couldn’t come too soon.

Justin Raimondo

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/11/08/next-stop-syria-2/

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 09, 2012, 07:17 AM | #

An England Scorned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4nFL0-0vU8

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 09, 2012, 07:38 AM | #

uknleo,

Nice comment from you I saw somewhere in the recent comments. Europe my eternal home.

Unfortunately, I fear Graham Lister (et al, perhaps) don’t want me and mine returning to the Old Countries. Better the Muhammads and Akbars than the Americans!

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 09, 2012, 08:13 AM | #

A comment I tried to leave to an article by Yuval Levin at National Review (couldn’t do it; kept getting a pop up saying I had to “authenticate the user”, but with nothing to click to do so - any ideas what that means?):

Excellent article in most ways, but made worthless insofar as it misses the point on immigration. Nonwhites are mostly liberal. European whites are mostly liberal. ONLY WHITE AMERICANS ARE CONSERVATIVES TO ANY LARGE DEGREE. Planet Earth is divided between Planet Liberal, Planet Islam, and Planet Racialist/Nationalist. While I would love to import true conservatives as immigrants into the US, that is not what we have gotten for all our (legal) immigration generosity. Most immigrants are natural leftists, not natural conservatives as fools across the (faux?) Right seem to think. In particular, Hispanics - especially Mexicans, are way to the Left of whites. SO WHY DO WE ALLOW ANY IMMIGRATION?

Conservatives: do you want to preserve your cause, your party, and your country? STOP ALL LEGAL IMMIGRATION, and deport all illegals (Romney was a ridiculous moderate on these matters - are we a nation of laws or not?).

Anyway, the GOP will lose on immigration far worse if it starts pandering to Hispanic spokesmen, who simply want unlimited (Hispanic) immigration forever (rather as blacks want unlimited affirmative action with no expiration date). Why? Because I myself am so disgusted with America today, so deeply alienated (to the extent that I consider myself to be an oppressed minority living under foreign occupation), that I will NEVER vote for ANY politician again who is not VOCALLY opposed to ALL immigration (not even for a Ron Paul, whom I liked on most issues; not even for a Reagan). I know some others like me. What if there are a million like me - nationalist voters who never miss the chance to vote? Are you quite sure there aren’t? I know persons who did not vote for Prez because they thought Romney too moderate. Fact.

If Romney had hit much harder on immigration, he would have gotten more votes. He made the classic mistake: he was “tough” enough to alienate many Hispanics (but not all: he got over a quarter of Hispanics, more than Asians, and much more than blacks), but he didn’t argue his position, nor make it a centerpiece of his campaign, so I doubt immigration brought him many working-class whites, who otherwise felt he was too socioeconomically removed from their lives (note: I loved his professional and family and cultural backgrounds - you’re a fine fellow, Mitt, a ‘good type’, a real American, even if a bit too liberal for my tastes!).

If you Republicans start to get even softer on immigration, you will find that you lose more white votes than you gain among Hispanics or Asians.

 

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Posted by Thorn on November 09, 2012, 08:45 AM | #

On the subject of dialectics, we mustn’t overlook the elephant in the room: Cultural Marxism.

The cultural Marxists gained power by forming a coalition of dissimilar groups and pitting them against a common enemy. That common enemy is White Christian heterosexual males… along with his traditional nuclear family. It’s really that simple.

The cultural Marxists seem to be an invincible foe for us White Christian heterosexual males; however,  the good news is, given the Left’s lustful quest for power, it is making a foolish but fatal mistake by forming alliances with Mooslines thus including them in their coalition of the damned. That move, for the obvious dialectical reasons, will result in the Left’s downfall, IMO. Clearly it amounts to Faustian Man writ large.

BTW, no doubt the cultural Marxists see White Nationalism (as it stands now anyways) as no threat to them at all. ZERO threat. How could they see WN as a threat when WN is rife with anti-Christians/anti-Capitalists/anti-Americans etc. within its ranks? If anything, the cultural Marxists probably regard the WN movement as an unaligned force—albeit a weak force—pushing in the same direction as themselves. IOWs, the aim or goal is to install a global communist system. They correctly assessed that Christianity practised by people of European decent is the ONLY force strong enough to prevent their grand plan from coming to fruition. There IS overlapping common cause between the Marxiods and anti-Christian/anti-capitalist WNs. One need not be a Christian to see that!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Cultural Marxism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHy2QaDOOb0

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Posted by Thorn on November 09, 2012, 09:40 AM | #

If The Stupid Party thinks they can ingratiate themselves with Hispanics by granting illegal aliens amnesty, thus in return expect to garner a much greater share of the Hispanic voting block, then they are truly deluded and whistling past the graveyard. The reason >70% of Hispanics vote Democrat is the Democrats give out more “free stuff”. Granting amnesty will only serve to increase the Democrats’ base.

+++++++++++++++++++++


Why Hispanics Don’t Vote for Republicans


By Heather Mac Donald

November 7, 2012 12:20 P.M.


The call for Republicans to discard their opposition to immigration amnesty will grow deafening in the wake of President Obama’s victory. Hispanics supported Obama by a margin of nearly 75 percent to 25 percent, and may have provided important margins in some swing states. If only Republicans relented on their Neanderthal views regarding the immigration rule of law, the message will run, they would release the inner Republican waiting to emerge in the Hispanic population. 

If Republicans want to change their stance on immigration, they should do so on the merits, not out of a belief that only immigration policy stands between them and a Republican Hispanic majority. It is not immigration policy that creates the strong bond between Hispanics and the Democratic party, but the core Democratic principles of a more generous safety net, strong government intervention in the economy, and progressive taxation.

Read more>>

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/332916/why-hispanics-dont-vote-republicans-heather-mac-donald

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Posted by daniels. on November 09, 2012, 10:09 AM | #

/.
The force strong enough to save us from Cultural Marxism or any anti-European effort is an alliance of Native European Nationalists and a White Separatist Alliance - galvanized under the fourteen words it can happen.*

It won’t happen by way of Christianity because, for one, too many people simply don’t believe it - particularly in Europe.

That does not mean they are not amenable to moral considerations, there is no avoiding that for anybody.

There is a catch 22 with regard to Christianity that has been part of what has kept Europeans stuck for centuries (if not in its plainly self destructive prescriptions then in its intellectually thwarting mandates): identify as a Christian in order to prove you are not a Jew/practice Christianity then you really are operating under a Jewish rubric and worshiping a Jewish master.


* Neither are these alliances adverse to White lone wolf’s looking for opportunity in collapse.
....

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Posted by Thorn on November 09, 2012, 10:55 AM | #

Never said Christianity in and of itself is THE way out of the racial mess whites find ourselves in. My point is attacking Euro-Christians is counter productive to the nth degree. Trust me, Christians are some of the fiercest advocates for securing a future for White people. Their the most effective too. IOWs, Euro-Christians can walk and chew gum at the same time. Lastly, DO NOT conflate Christianity with liberalism. Most whites that purport to be Christians are actually liberals operating under the banner of Christianity. Secular liberalism, pop culture, and leftist memes dominate their thinking…...and throw in a strong dose of peer preasure into the mix.


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Now I’m off to the gun show. Gonna stock up big time on .380 and 38+p ammo.

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Posted by Lurker on November 09, 2012, 12:50 PM | #

Did you see Cameron on the Syrian Turkish border on last nights BBC news?

And just think, if TPTB get their way, that border with Syria will be our border with Syria. And why not Syria in the EU one day too?

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 09, 2012, 01:59 PM | #

@Thorn

‘Now I’m off to the gun show. Gonna stock up big time on .380 and 38+p ammo.’


Hell yeah, i’m just off to my local ammo dealer to stock up too.

Frozen peas can cause real nasty bruising if thrown with sufficient force.

England sucks.

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Posted by Robert Reis on November 09, 2012, 07:33 PM | #

Roem said…
Feminism is a 100% jewish concoction to break up Christian families and make them easy meat. I will state again that had I existed in? a wilder time in medieval Europe, when Aryan men could act accordingly, I would have made my living by destroying Jewish shops and ghettos, looting their goods and money, and piling them up like cord wood, to be sent sky high as smoke.

9 November 2012 22:17

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 09, 2012, 07:46 PM | #

A legal pair-wise duel filmed in Seattle with Police in attendance.

Unfortunately the black guy wins (with a sucker punch of course).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lVLvAOsX95M

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Posted by James Bowery on November 09, 2012, 10:25 PM | #

This sort of definition of “duel” is even worse than the JudeoChristian concession to European aristocracy that rendered the culture of Euroman dysgenic and then proceeded to render European aristocracy nothing but an obscene howler to the enemies of Euroman.  Nowadays, guys like CC and GL are joining in on the laughter.

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 10, 2012, 01:02 AM | #

his concern as to not be discriminated against by the English Aristocratic class.

Yes, but not because of discrimination but because of obligation. There is a duty, per Locke, not to kill, steal or enslaved.

Brown vs. Board of Education was a verdict passed upon a state’s right to pass laws segregating its population, not individual rights.

There, Jewish interests used the susceptibility of Lockeatine individual rights to transgress White interests.

No they didn’t. They used the gnawing resentment of other minorities (including ethnic whites) to pathologise individual discrimination.

In the postwar era, North American Jewry tended to accept that racial prejudice was a psychological aberration, attributable to pathological individuals who acted out their internal problems in discriminatory behaviour. This aberrational behaviour, when left unchecked, not only damaged its direct victims, the racial minorities, it also affected the minds of the general population, setting an example of what was right and acceptable. Prejudice, therefore, was not just a disease but a contagious disease, and it set up a vicious circle ofprejudice leading to discrimination and ofdiscrimination leading to prejudice. Antisemitism was understood as an example of prejudice, as a special case but not a distinct phenomenon: discrimination against Jews was considered part of this general syndrome. (5)

Acting upon this definition, Jewish organizations in Canada designed a grand strategy to interrupt the syndrome. The goal was to enlist the force of the law to inhibit the behaviour of pathological individuals, both through test cases in the courts and through the introduction of protective legislation. (6) This would, with one stroke, prevent the most overt discriminatory practices, it would interrupt the syndrome and thus have an effect on the generation of the underlying prejudices, and it would set the educational example of the law before a generally law-abiding Canadian populace. Since antisemitism was regarded as one aspect of the problem of prejudice, universal laws against discrimination would address the specific problem of antisemitism. The method selected, the tactical approach to fulfil this grand strategy, was to forge alliances with other minority organizations and with liberal forces generally in Canadian society, to demonstrate to legislators that there existed a constituency supportive of re form. All instances of discrimination, not just those perpetrated against Jews, would be exposed in order to illustrate the need for legal protection. (7)

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+“Jewish+Phase”+in+the+movement+for+Racial+equality+in+Canada.-a094550896

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Posted by daniels on November 10, 2012, 06:32 AM | #

by Desmond Jones on November 10, 2012, 01:02 AM | #

  his concern as to not be discriminated against by the English Aristocratic class.

Yes, but not because of discrimination but because of obligation. There is a duty, per Locke, not to kill, steal or enslaved.

If you see a useful distinction there, be my guest. I don’t. It rather sounds like Jews saying they are obliged by a duty to marry only amongst themselves in accordance with their religion (not in accordance with racism).

Brown vs. Board of Education was a verdict passed upon a state’s right to pass laws segregating its population, not individual rights.

There, Jewish interests used the susceptibility of Lockeatine individual rights to transgress White interests.


No they didn’t.

Yes they did.  They were making a civil rights argument. If you want to say it was disingenuous, and that they had a group agenda behind the argument, of course, I can agree.

The kinds of psychological argumentation introduced into the court about the black girl’s self esteem, how she chose the White doll to play with and so forth, that kind of argument moves deftly between group and individual rights.


They used the gnawing resentment of other minorities (including ethnic whites) to pathologise individual discrimination.

and ALSO to pathologize group segregation by portraying it as a violation of civil (individual) rights.


At that point, 1954, individual rights would have been the much harder argument to deny, and therefore that (Lockeatine) susceptibility is where they would begin.


The following paragraph that you provided only serves to illustrate their motive and how they made the argument against discrimination against groups: they alleged that it caused psychological damage and an escalating cycle of disadvantage to those who experienced it - it was “therefore a violation of their (Lockeatine) civil individual rights”:


In the postwar era, North American Jewry tended to accept that racial prejudice was a psychological aberration, attributable to pathological individuals who acted out their internal problems in discriminatory behaviour. This aberrational behaviour, when left unchecked, not only damaged its direct victims, the racial minorities, it also affected the minds of the general population, setting an example of what was right and acceptable. Prejudice, therefore, was not just a disease but a contagious disease, and it set up a vicious circle ofprejudice leading to discrimination and ofdiscrimination leading to prejudice. Antisemitism was understood as an example of prejudice, as a special case but not a distinct phenomenon: discrimination against Jews was considered part of this general syndrome. (5)


And below you are taking an example of Jewish strategy in Canada and applying it to the Brown vs. Board of Education decision in The US.


Acting upon this definition, Jewish organizations in Canada designed a grand strategy to interrupt the syndrome. The goal was to enlist the force of the law to inhibit the behaviour of pathological individuals, both through test cases in the courts and through the introduction of protective legislation. (6) This would, with one stroke, prevent the most overt discriminatory practices, it would interrupt the syndrome and thus have an effect on the generation of the underlying prejudices, and it would set the educational example of the law before a generally law-abiding Canadian populace. Since antisemitism was regarded as one aspect of the problem of prejudice, universal laws against discrimination would address the specific problem of antisemitism. The method selected, the tactical approach to fulfil this grand strategy, was to forge alliances with other minority organizations and with liberal forces generally in Canadian society, to demonstrate to legislators that there existed a constituency supportive of re form. All instances of discrimination, not just those perpetrated against Jews, would be exposed in order to illustrate the need for legal protection. (7)

 

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Posted by Thorn on November 10, 2012, 08:19 AM | #

“Frozen peas can cause real nasty bruising if thrown with sufficient force.

England sucks.”—uKn_Leo

LOLZ! F’ing hilarious!

That reminds me of a common saying at Americano gun blogs:

“I carry a gun because I can’t throw a rock 1250 feet per second.”

I guess frozen peas could apply too.

BTW, uKn_Leo, does your sign in name/acronym translate to unknown (UKN)_ law enforcement officer (LEO)? If so, it’s good to see their are still cops on our side.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 10, 2012, 08:37 AM | #

How defining was 2012?

I think this recent US election is extremely important to global WN in one sense. It brutally clarifies first, that the war for Western survival has now, appropriately, finally ‘come home’, as it were; and second, that, insofar as the US will only become more of a force for mandatory, imperialistic racial integration, we must all push for a decisive divorce between Europe and the New World (which has been almost thoroughly reduced to the Anglosphere). Yes, Canada is doing reasonably well these days, due solely to its modestly fiscally conservative government, as is Australia, due to its natural endowments. But the Dominions are, in future discounted reality, all lost. It’s only a matter of time. Oz will be absorbed into Asia; tiny New Zealand will be ‘Hawaiianized’, as its natives, in league with Asian migrants, gradually dispossess the descendants of the whites who built it; and Canada is on the road to being fully as multiculturalized through immigration as the US.

Of greatest importance, however, are the different ethical ‘spaces’ in which Europe and her colonies are respectively situated. Europe is organic and autochthonous, and the New World is not. No one can speak of Europe as multiracial except aspirationally or treasonously. Europe has had such a long, varied and eventful history. It is somehow more real than North America. Of course, this can be exaggerated: the Real America has a fairly long and ‘thick’ history, too. But the white man can’t be said to come from here, even if we, as the founder and builder race, will always enjoy moral ownership of the USA. That ownership claim, however, will never be remotely as philosophically powerful, or as emotionally resonant, as those of our European cousins.

Anyway, global WN needs to develop a common agenda based on white perpetuity, even if the political specifics will vary widely by country. I think MR should launch a discussion on one aspect of this agenda - this asserted need to widen the official gap across the Atlantic (even as WNs on both sides need to work and share ideas more closely). I think a good opening gambit would be to make the total withdrawal of US troops from European soil(s) something we can all work towards.

RESOLVED: It is better for white preservation that the American military be wholly removed as well as institutionally severed from Europe. Thoughts?

 

 

 


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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 10, 2012, 08:49 AM | #

BTW, uKn_Leo, does your sign in name/acronym translate to unknown (UKN)_ law enforcement officer (LEO)? If so, it’s good to see their are still cops on our side.

No, sorry Thorn. It’s just just an old internet name I use for convenience. Should change it to be honest.

You will find lots of UK police harbouring nationalist views and sentiment at this blog.

I would never, ever join the UK police force. They are protectors of the enemies of my people, unfortunately.

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Posted by Thorn on November 10, 2012, 08:59 AM | #

Miss B breaks it down for us.

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The Economic Presentation in 8 Parts

Posted by Ann Barnhardt - November 9, AD 2012 9:23 AM MST
Here it is.

Here is the link to the workbook in PDF.

Here is the link to view vids:

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

Part One Topics:
Systemic Counterparty Risk
Money is a Fungible Proxy for Your Very Humanity
All Currencies are Fiat
The Gold Standard is Not Necessary

Part Two Topics:
The Gold Standard is Not Necessary Continued
WE Are the Gold
The Morality and Economically Essential Nature of Interest
The Real Problem in Banking System: Unbacked Unsecured Lending
Bank Balance Sheet Exercise

Part Three Topics:
Sample Bank Balance Sheet Continued
The Lie of FDIC Deposit Insurance

Part Four Topics:
One Dollar of Capital Banking Paradigm
Denninger Axiom & Chart—Debt and GDP Change since 1980
The Debt Cycle—A Snake Eating Its Tail
Intelligent People Must Reassert Themselves as the Leaders of Society
The Rule of Law and Justice Must Be Reasserted

Part Five Topics:
Wealth Transfer: European Context
Wealth Transfer: U.S. Context
The Bribing Set-up of the Underclass by the Regime in
Preparation for Mass Slaughter
Secession Dynamics
Credit Default Swaps

Part Six Topics:
Credit Default Swaps Continued
Repos and Reverse Repos
Why are These Exotic Products Being Traded So Widely?
Review of 90 Day T-Bill Rates 2007-2012

Part Seven Topics:
WHO is doing these exotic and risky derivatives?
Review of top banks’ assets versus derivatives exposure
High Frequency Trading Scope & Solution
U.S. Government Unfunded Liabilities
The destructive nature of non-catastrophic insurance
Lies from Politicians

Part Eight Topics
More Lies From Lying Politicians
The Impossibility of Financial Planning Products and “Returns”
Why Inflating Debt Away is Impossible
The New Financial Objective: Holding Wealth Together and Minimizing LOSSES
There is Nowhere to Run
The Need to Position Into Physical Commodities
Quo Vadis? Where Are You Going?

 

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Posted by antifascist on November 10, 2012, 09:44 AM | #

So, Majority rights commenters, you have expressed your vehement hatred of Obama on over 70 comments on this discussion thread.

I have 5 questions, for you, GW, daniels or whoever else, feel free to respond.

1. What is your plan, dealing with the American political system, do you believe that Bill O’Reilly and Pat Buchanan are right, in suggesting that the Republican Party, and the “white majority” will never be able to elect another president of the USA?

2. Do you want to see the states in the USA, break-up from the union, and secede, if the Republican Party cannot win another US presidential election?

3. What states do you believe should/ or could secede from the union?

4. If you managed to secede from the union, in states, such as Montana, North Dakota and Utah, would you except, and/or want these white nationalists, to kill or deport non-whites from the state?

5. Is your only option to use violence, to secede, if you cannot use the US political system to win a Presidential election with the Republican party, or a third party , to leave the union voluntarily?

I want to know to what extent, your ideology would lead you to violent revolution, if all your political options are exhausted in the USA.


The far left , is associated with revolutionary tactics both violent and political, and progressive values, such as Bolshevism, Marxism, and Anarchic-Syndicalism and the Black Block Anarchists.

How can you organize, a political or violent revolution, when your white nationalist believers, are socially and economically conservative, and individualistic, not collectivist, generally speaking.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 10, 2012, 10:00 AM | #

Thorn@76

Be careful re that stuff. I visited her site. First, it really messed with my mac. Little rainbow pinwheel almost nonstop. Second, and more importantly, while her heart is obviously in the right place, she indulges in a lot of wild overstatement about factual matters. People like her never seem to be able to deal with reality clearly and in appropriately nuanced fashion. There is a difference between my saying, eg,  the Elites governing us have slated Western Civ within the USA for termination (a poetic way of pointing out the hostility our elites have for our traditional values), and her saying Obama had the Libyan ambassador murdered (getting into JRichards territory here).

I would like to have looked at her econ presentation, just to see how rational she is, but the site was not responding well (I understand real economics - I studied bulls—- Keynesianism at one of the best universities in the Ivy League - not Harvard is all I’ll say, and correct Austrianism at length on my own, and thus often use economic ideas as a metric to assess someone’s worthiness of being taken seriously).

if you want to study real economics just go to the Mises site.

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Posted by Thorn on November 10, 2012, 10:09 AM | #

Antifacist,

Let’s be perfectly clear: it’s not our side that seeks to initiate violence, it’s your side. It’s always your side.

In order for the leftist/Marxist system to succeed, it requires 100% participation. So given that fact, it begs the question: What happens to those that refuse to participate? Answer: Archipelagos of Gulags/reeducation camps pop up concomitant with millions slaughtered.  I suggest you read the following piece:

http://thelibertysphere.blogspot.com/2012/11/musings-after-midnight-i-wouldnt-bet.html


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“Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.”

― André Gide

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Posted by Thorn on November 10, 2012, 10:19 AM | #

Be careful re that stuff. I visited her site.


Always am, Leon. But ya gotta admit, she’s tenacious and supremely entertaining. In any event, she’s very much on target with her take on what led us to where we are. Economically that is. Thus it’s worth the watch; especially for those who are a bit confused about how we got into this mess.

That said, I’m sure all the content in Miss B’s presentation is old hat for you. I say that with all due respect.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 10, 2012, 10:20 AM | #

1. What is your plan, dealing with the American political system, do you believe that Bill O’Reilly and Pat Buchanan are right, in suggesting that the Republican Party, and the “white majority” will never be able to elect another president of the USA?

2. Do you want to see the states in the USA, break-up from the union, and secede, if the Republican Party cannot win another US presidential election?

3. What states do you believe should/ or could secede from the union?

4. If you managed to secede from the union, in states, such as Montana, North Dakota and Utah, would you except, and/or want these white nationalists, to kill or deport non-whites from the state?

5. Is your only option to use violence, to secede, if you cannot use the US political system to win a Presidential election with the Republican party, or a third party , to leave the union voluntarily? (antifa)

1. No, I don’t believe that, though I do believe that the US is no longer a white nation, however much we once were. Romney could have won if he’d had me advising him. He ran a poor campaign, even though he himself was a very credible candidate. Republicans can win the Presidency at least until 2024, if, contrary to the idiot media, they are conservative enough. And if the next Repub Prez/Congress ENDS THE IMMIGRATION INVASION (and restores the free market), the GOP could win permanently.

But they will now predictably draw all the wrong conclusions from their loss, so the USA’s decline will be hastened. 

2. Yes.

3. The Northern tier, plus the Old South. Or three areas: the Upper Pacific Northwest; the Old South; and Northern New england, though the latter would be really liberal, and thus not viable for long. Note: if some states actually seceded successfully, a lot of whites in the non-seceding states (like me in CA) would gradually move there.

4. I think life could be made sufficiently unpleasant for them that they would “self-deport”. If a bunch of ideologically aggressive nonwhite nationalists moved to my area, how long would I remain there? (oh wait - bad question, I’m an Angeleno ...well, OC-ite).

5. Dude, we ain’t nearly there yet. Such speculation is worse than idle. We need to raise white consciousness by about a thousand degrees. We need to gradually coalesce in the same agreed upon area - like the gays did wrt san Francisco. And then we need to take over the statehouses in the affected area - and only then are we ready to push for secession and real sovereignty. Violence hasn’t entered the picture yet.

What we want is the White Republic, a sovereign, biologically bounded nation for our own people, where we can live free in the true, ancient sense: in self-governing communities ruled by persons genetically similar to us. We will achieve this some day (not sure if any of us will live to see it, however).

 

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Posted by Thorn on November 10, 2012, 10:32 AM | #

Leon, try this link:

Part One Topics:

Systemic Counterparty Risk
Money is a Fungible Proxy for Your Very Humanity
All Currencies are Fiat
The Gold Standard is Not Necessary


The Economy Is Going To Implode Pt.1 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7dFVFJ0iRRA

Note: I think she does an excellent job explaining what money is, and how ALL money is fiat.

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Posted by Captainchaos on November 10, 2012, 10:32 AM | #

Antifascist, you do understand that homo sapiens are an evolved species of primate, don’t you?  The use of violence to compete for finite resources against members of our own species is inevitable as it is instinctively ingrained in us.  (The only reason chimpanzees, for instance, do not inflict more carnage against their fellow chimpanzees is because they do not possess the intelligence to stategize marshally as groups against other groups of champanzees.)  So then, it is not us, not the ideas we espouse, which you in fact rail against, but human nature itself.  Did you not know that?

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Posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on November 10, 2012, 02:18 PM | #

If The Stupid Party thinks they can ingratiate themselves with Hispanics by granting illegal aliens amnesty, thus in return expect to garner a much greater share of the Hispanic voting block, then they are truly deluded and whistling past the graveyard. The reason >70% of Hispanics vote Democrat is the Democrats give out more “free stuff”. Granting amnesty will only serve to increase the Democrats’ base.

vDare is doing some useful “follow the money” post-election coverage.  One need only understand the extent to which the GOP, and its auxiliary Beltway Conservative think tanks and media, are financially dependent on Jewish bosses like billionaire casino operator Sheldon Adelson to understand why they are reacting as they are now and even why they approached this campaign as they did.

Adelson wants cheap non-white labor, low taxes and pro-Likudnik policies.  Therefore his shabbos goy dogs like John Boehner bark on command;  “No new taxes” and ‘growth’ on immigration amnesties.  The fact these policies will likely cost them their ‘majority’ in 2014 is irrelevant.  And it doesn’t really matter.  They aren’t a ‘majority’ in a real sense and do not author the policies they’re ordered to support.  They’re a collection of mediocre hirelings whose bosses choose to assign them deceptive common labels.

The common denominator of the current crop of GOP “national” leaders is they can’t carry their own states at election time.  Romney (MA), Ryan (WI), Christie (NJ), Boehner (OH), Cantor (VA), Rubio (FL) and RNC Chairman Reince Priebus (NJ-FL-WI) all illustrate this phenomenon. 

McConnell of KY was the semi-exception.  But even here as Senate minority leader he presided over a -2 performance.  2014 will likely see the GOP recede back below 40 Senate seats again since they’ll be defending so many more than the Dems. 

The false front character of the GOP has never been plainer.

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Posted by James Bowery on November 10, 2012, 02:37 PM | #

The inhuman monster who should be put to death, “antifascist”, thinks there has been a “Republican” president in recent history.  Eisenhower violated the state powers when he called up the national guard to violate a state’s own preferences in how it would provide equal access to education.  Nixon failed to even attempt to repeal the monstrous Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.  Reagan gave us the 1986 immigration amnesty that doomed the “Republican” party.  George Bush Sr. and George Bush Jr. started a Hispanic political dynasty in the US and set the stage for another amnesty this year.

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Posted by Bill on November 10, 2012, 03:15 PM | #

Leo @ 75

I would never, ever join the UK police force. They are protectors of the enemies of my people, unfortunately.

About 2 years ago I posted to (Police) Inspector Gadget in the context of policing street unrest and the limits of force the police would go to.  My message was to the effect that in the not too distant future he himself would be uncomfortable with methods being used.

His brief reply was to the effect he couldn’t see it happening.

Gadget’s blog.  http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

I’ve always said the police will do what ever is required of them in order to keep up the mortgage payments.  As things get progressively worse then up will go the ante.

The bottom line is from my stand point the police are defending the indefensible, when the elites turn their backs on their own people the police should withdraw their support.

One only has to look at what is happening in Greece (the whole EU in fact) to see the police are sustaining a corrupt undemocratic political regime. 

I have read where police/military? rapid response teams have been formed to deal with civil unrest in countries other than their own, the connotations being, live ammunition will be used.  Host nation police/troops will not be expected to shoot on their own tribe.  (This was not the case in N. Ireland in 1971 when British paratroopers shot 13 rioters dead.)

Violent unrest involving mainly non whites have, up until now, (from instances I have seen on YouTube,) have been given a free pass.  Political correctness, non-discrimination and victim status forbids police oppressive counter measures.  Only proportionate response can be applied, presumably after an on the spot risk assessment has been made.  Oh what a tangled web.

Political correctness/non-discrimination is exacting a terrible toll on British society, and yet there are no signs of any public resistance.  The writing was writ large when social services were given the go ahead to hand over children in care to same sex couples.  The response from the public on-line was in record numbers but Blair ignored the protest and steamrollered the legislation through parliament.

Handing vulnerable children to same sex couples had become law (EU?) under Blair without any meaningful resistance from political conservativism.  This was the final straw.  If confirmation was ever needed of what we all knew, political conservatism was dead.  Stone Dead.  Liberal political correctness ruled.  OK!

Right now there is a witch hunt going on in in the media in regard to paedophilia in high places, very similar to a recent brou hah-hah concerning press phone hacking celebrities.  Nothing, and I mean nothing, stirs a hornet’s nest among the British public than child sex abuse, I kid you not.

Yet our liberally correct media see no problem with handing our children over to homo sexual couples on a daily basis.
 
Westminster conservatism has been in retreat for decades.  As the left tacked ever leftwards the Tories eased into their slipstream.  Leon, it’s the same over there.

Western civ has been hi-jacked by a communist-fascist corporate pact, called globalism.


London police in action against victims.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWtgavPznso


I had been looking for a clip where the police were in headlong retreat from the untouchables.  I think it was at an Israeli Embassy protest in London.  No luck, it must have been removed.

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 10, 2012, 04:14 PM | #

I had been looking for a clip where the police were in headlong retreat from the untouchables.  I think it was at an Israeli Embassy protest in London.  No luck, it must have been removed.

Possibly this one Bill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtct-z9JS8

Then their response to English people trying to protect their neighborhoods during the London riot 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWEV4p6hcRw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ITAEsbpilGg&feature=endscreen

Run from Muslim protesters and black rioters.

Attack whites defending their homes with truncheons, shields and dogs.

I notice a marked difference in the kit and equipment used to deal with the whites too. Their ‘best’ men are sent to deal with the whites whilst their fat, unfit donut munchers and female officers are left to deal with the rioters burning our cities to the ground.

These orders coming from top down of course.

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Posted by uKn_Leo on November 10, 2012, 04:34 PM | #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miRT873B-QE&feature=endscreen&NR=1

We will defend our streets.

Our homes.

Our communities.

Our land.

Our blood.

 

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Posted by Bill on November 10, 2012, 05:01 PM | #

Leo @ 87

Possibly this one Bill?

Yes, that’s the one.  Thanks.

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Posted by Bill on November 10, 2012, 05:19 PM | #

I wonder why we feel like we do?

Imagine if you will.  One morning you come downstairs and find an alien group of people seated around your breakfast table, tucking in to the contents of your fridge.

What do think you’re doing?

We were brought here. 

By whom?

Him.  (Pointing to a policeman sat watching TV.)

But you’ve no right….

He says we have.  (Nodding in the direction of the TV.

Is that correct constable what he says?

Yes sir,  I’m under strict orders to see they’s gets their rights.

But what about my rights?

Order is orders Sir.  Them at the top have invited ‘em here and I’m ‘ere to see everyfinks lawful like.

But…but….

No buts about it sir.  Them’s more of ‘em coming, you’d better get used to it.

More of them?

Oh yes sir, millions of ‘em.  Orders ‘ave come down, they ‘ave all the rights that you ‘ave and more.  It ain’t got hardly started yet.

What hasn’t?

This mass immigration mullarky.

But why?  It’s madness….

Careful what you say sir.  Only doin’ mi job you understand.

Sorry constable. How long is this going to go on for?

Dunno sir.  Until we’re all gone I suppose.

We?  Whose we?  All gone?  Gone where?

Everybody I reckon.  All them’s what’s white. 

But this is where I live….. it’s madness….

Watch it sir!  (Raised eyebrows)

But what about this lot?  (Sweep of hand towards table.)

Social’ll be round shortly, they’re moving ‘em into them new 5 bedroomed ‘ouses round the corner.

Well I’m….!

Tut-tut sir!

And it came to pass millions more did come….

But what about our chappie here, what happened to him.

Oh he had his house taken off of him by the council and they gave it to some newcomers who they reckoned was in greater need.  Last I heard the chap was living under the bridge down by the river.

But that’s dreadful. Did he kick up a fuss?  Didn’t he complain?

No.

Why not?

He was scared.

Scared?  Why?

Because they said it was racist and if he complained they’d have him down the station.

What happened then?

Heard somebody reported him down the pub, police had him for hate crimes.  He had to see a psychiatrist.  Not seen him since.

Poor bugger! 

They’ve got us by the gulags.

I’m voting UKIP next time.

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Posted by Desmond Jones on November 10, 2012, 06:20 PM | #

If you see a useful distinction there, be my guest. I don’t. It rather sounds like Jews saying they are obliged by a duty to marry only amongst themselves in accordance with their religion (not in accordance with racism).

It seems astounding that a Pole of all people cannot see the distinction here. Yes, a conquering aristocracy has the right to discriminate in marriage for whatever reason, including race, but has a duty/obligation not to kill or enslave the conquered, with one exception, per Locke.

The kinds of psychological argumentation introduced into the court about the black girl’s self esteem, how she chose the White doll to play with and so forth, that kind of argument moves deftly between group and individual rights.

Now you’re just making shit up. Faux rights. There is no individual right to self esteem.

and ALSO to pathologize group segregation by portraying it as a violation of civil (individual) rights.

Not true.

At that point, 1954, individual rights would have been the much harder argument to deny, and therefore that (Lockeatine) susceptibility is where they would begin.

Not true.

The following paragraph that you provided only serves to illustrate their motive and how they made the argument against discrimination against groups: they alleged that it caused psychological damage and an escalating cycle of disadvantage to those who experienced it - it was “therefore a violation of their (Lockeatine) civil individual rights”:

Where is the claim of psychological damage? Even if it existed there is no right to advantage. Thus there is no violation of their “Lockeatine” individual rights.

This aberrational behaviour, [since when is the desire for freedom aberrational] when left unchecked, not only damaged its direct victims,[meaning they weren’t hired based on their group identity] the racial minorities, it also affected the minds of the general population, setting an example of what was right and acceptable. Prejudice, therefore, was not just a disease but a contagious disease, and it set up a vicious circle of prejudice leading to discrimination and of discrimination leading to prejudice. Antisemitism was understood as an example of prejudice, as a special case but not a distinct phenomenon: discrimination against Jews was considered part of this general syndrome. [It must be understood that the context is post WWII. This strategy did not triumph pre-war. It wasn’t right and acceptable because the meme constructed was that discrimination led to concentration camps, but again this is where Locke discriminates between prejudice and obligation].

 

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Posted by daniels on November 10, 2012, 07:02 PM | #

First of all, in addition mixing Canadian and American issues, you changed the sentence that I was commenting on, which was this:

Brown vs. Board of Education’s using “individual rights” to prohibit White group discrimination of Blacks from White schools was apparently the initial move, however.

and to which I said:

There, Jewish interests used the susceptibility of Lockeatine individual rights to transgress White interests

and you wrote

Brown vs. Board of Education was a verdict passed upon a state’s right to pass laws segregating its population, not individual rights.

and left my quote there, still saying:


There, Jewish interests used the susceptibility of Lockeatine individual rights to transgress White interests


Ok, so lets see what Bullshit you are going to try now.

Here goes:


Posted by Desmond Jones on November 10, 2012, 06:20 PM | #

  If you see a useful distinction there, be my guest. I don’t. It rather sounds like Jews saying they are obliged by a duty to marry only amongst themselves in accordance with their religion (not in accordance with racism).

It seems astounding that a Pole of all people cannot see the distinction here. Yes, a conquering aristocracy has the right to discriminate in marriage for whatever reason, including race, but has a duty/obligation not to kill or enslave the conquered, with one exception, per Locke.

What does this have to do with civil individual rights as they played out in American legislation?

  The kinds of psychological argumentation introduced into the court about the black girl’s self esteem, how she chose the White doll to play with and so forth, that kind of argument moves deftly between group and individual rights.

Now you’re just making shit up. Faux rights. There is no individual right to self esteem.


I’m not making that up, Desmond, the Jews did. That was a part of their argument: look it up.

 

  and ALSO to pathologize group segregation by portraying it as a violation of civil (individual) rights.

Not true.

Absolutely true.

 

  At that point, 1954, individual rights would have been the much harder argument to deny, and therefore that (Lockeatine) susceptibility is where they would begin.

Not true.


Definitely true, and you are mucking up important distinctions.


  The following paragraph that you provided only serves to illustrate their motive and how they made the argument against discrimination against groups: they alleged that it caused psychological damage and an escalating cycle of disadvantage to those who experienced it - it was “therefore a violation of their (Lockeatine) civil individual rights”:

Where is the claim of psychological damage? Even if it existed there is no right to advantage. Thus there is no violation of their “Lockeatine” individual rights.

Look up the Brown Board of Education Case - psychologists were brought in to show that discrimination hurt the esteem of Black girls; there was an example given of them choosing to play with White dolls.

The case could only be argued in terms of rights. Rights came from Locke.

What is your problem Desmond?


  This aberrational behaviour, [since when is the desire for freedom aberrational]

Now you are going to attribute a quote from a Jew and their argument to me? What the hell are you doing?

when left unchecked, not only damaged its direct victims,[meaning they weren’t hired based on their group identity]

It was still translated into a violation of civil rights.

the racial minorities, it also affected the minds of the general population, setting an example of what was right and acceptable. Prejudice, therefore, was not just a disease but a contagious disease, and it set up a vicious circle of prejudice leading to discrimination and of discrimination leading to prejudice. Antisemitism was understood as an example of prejudice, as a special case but not a distinct phenomenon: discrimination against Jews was considered part of this general syndrome.

That is the Jewish motive, it is not the legislative application.


[It must be understood that the context is post WWII. This strategy did not triumph pre-war. It wasn’t right and acceptable because the meme constructed was that discrimination led to concentration camps, but again this is where Locke discriminates between prejudice and obligation].


I am not saying that Jewish propagandizing and them using their status as the ultimate victims and moral guardians would not give them leverage to put across their perversion of Lockeatine Rights, it would.

However, Civil Rights argumentation was attempted prior to WW2

“Watts (taking over for Liebowitz, who remained on as adviser) moved to have the case (Scotsboro boys) sent to the Federal Court as a civil rights case, which Callahan promptly denied. He set the retrials for January 20, 1936.”

Perhaps they were not successful in pursuing Civil rights argumentation prior to WWII, but I didn’t say they were. The Brown decision was in 1954


The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments.

Its Citizenship Clause provides a broad definition of citizenship that overruled the Supreme Court’s ruling in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857) that had held that black people could not be citizens of the United States.[1]

Its Due Process Clause prohibits state and local governments from depriving persons of life, liberty, or property without certain steps being taken to ensure fairness. This clause has been used to make most of the Bill of Rights applicable to the states, as well as to recognize substantive and procedural rights.

Its Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people within its jurisdiction. This clause was the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954)


Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States


Brown v. Board of Education, 347 U.S. 483 (1954), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case in which the Court declared state laws establishing separate public schools for black and white students unconstitutional. The decision overturned the Plessy v. Ferguson decision of 1896 which allowed state-sponsored segregation. Handed down on May 17, 1954, the Warren Court’s unanimous (9–0) decision stated that “separate educational facilities are inherently unequal.” As a result, de jure racial segregation was ruled a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. This ruling paved the way for integration and was a major victory of the civil rights movement.[1]

 

 

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Posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on November 10, 2012, 10:27 PM | #

If one were to take the energy GL spends on trash-talking individuals and cultures and divert even half of it to his own ideas on how to proceed with restoring Europe, there might be a prayer for MR in two ways:

1) It would become much less a ghetto.
2) It might actually educate some of we heathens.

However, it is apparent that he has nothing of substance to offer and manages to avoid facing his own vacuity by substituting energetic flame wars for contribution.

It can now be revealed that GL is actually the spawn of alien technology.  See this English documentary here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxDJMn-534Y&feature=related

“Man Turns Into Scotsman”.  Shocking but true.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 11, 2012, 04:33 AM | #

Hey! No one has even noticed my comment, let alone taken the bait. But this is the discussion we should be having at MR post-US election:

How defining was 2012?

I think this recent US election is extremely important to global WN in one sense. It brutally clarifies first, that the war for Western survival has now, appropriately, finally ‘come home’, as it were; and second, that, insofar as the US will only become more of a force for mandatory, imperialistic racial integration, we must all push for a decisive divorce between Europe and the New World (which has been almost thoroughly reduced to the Anglosphere). Yes, Canada is doing reasonably well these days, due solely to its modestly fiscally conservative government, as is Australia, due to its natural endowments. But the Dominions are, in future discounted reality, all lost. It’s only a matter of time. Oz will be absorbed into Asia; tiny New Zealand will be ‘Hawaiianized’, as its natives, in league with Asian migrants, gradually dispossess the descendants of the whites who built it; and Canada is on the road to being fully as multiculturalized through immigration as the US.

Of greatest importance, however, are the different ethical ‘spaces’ in which Europe and her colonies are respectively situated. Europe is organic and autochthonous, and the New World is not. No one can speak of Europe as multiracial except aspirationally or treasonously. Europe has had such a long, varied and eventful history. It is somehow more real than North America. Of course, this can be exaggerated: the Real America has a fairly long and ‘thick’ history, too. But the white man can’t be said to come from here, even if we, as the founder and builder race, will always enjoy moral ownership of the USA. That ownership claim, however, will never be remotely as philosophically powerful, or as emotionally resonant, as those of our European cousins.

Anyway, global WN needs to develop a common agenda based on white perpetuity, even if the political specifics will vary widely by country. I think MR should launch a discussion on one aspect of this agenda - this asserted need to widen the official gap across the Atlantic (even as WNs on both sides need to work and share ideas more closely). I think a good opening gambit would be to make the total withdrawal of US troops from European soil(s) something we can all work towards.

RESOLVED: It is better for white preservation that the American military be wholly removed as well as institutionally severed from Europe. Thoughts?

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Posted by Bill on November 11, 2012, 04:56 AM | #

Liberal unprincipled exception.

Peadophile/Homosexual/Gay =  Victim.    Child =  ?  (victim or oppressor.)

Why do paedohile/Homosexual rights overide rights of child which they must in order to allow children to be handed over to homosexual couples. 

What if the child is female (=victim)

On unprincipled exceptions.

They are not evidence of liberalism’s inconsistency but of its terrible and overpowering consistency, because no one can fully countenance what a society run consistently on atheist, utilitarian, individualist principles would look like without losing their minds.

In light of this, I’d like to propose the following argument: modernity is simply the advance of liberalism towards its logical perfection—toward the abandonment of unprincipled exceptions and the ushering-in of a grossly unjust, inhumane, irrational, basically Satanic society

http://collapsetheblog.typepad.com/blog/2011/10/on-unprincipled-exceptions.html

Paedophilia in high places.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9669681/George-Entwistle-quits-as-director-general-over-Newsnight-fiasco.html

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Posted by Bill on November 11, 2012, 05:19 AM | #

@ 3

How defining was 2012?

Very defining.  This the first real ‘Oh my God moment’ for the useless idiots.

There will be more. 

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 06:29 AM | #

.......\
Yes, it is liberalism pushed to its logical conclusion. Wherein people outside or antagonistic to White classification are presented as oppressed “marginals” who are within the class, or should be within the class but are exploited and therefore advocated by Jewish interests as surrogate proletarian revolutionaries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs


Hence, Blacks (and other non-Whites), feminists and gays (and whatever other kind of anomaly) are misrepresented as being “leftist marginals” within the White class, when in fact they are liberal union busters, scabs of the White class, who are coming from without the White class, or of motives antagonistic to White class homeostasis.

Jewish interests have been effective in getting White advocates to identify as “rightists” only, which leaves Whites disorganized.

In fact, our organization, our defense of our interests as a group would be leftist by definition. We might have more right wing interests and leanings within the class - but any sort of coordination is a manifestation of White leftism - which is not wrong, it is correct.

The problem is that they’ve got Whites confusing Jewish imposed liberalism upon Whites (which is meant to break the union of Whites) as THE Left.

It is not THE left, it is the Jewish left, if anything.

The remedy to this confusion is very simple - to place the word “White” prior to “left”, The White Left, in order to distinguish just who is included in the union and who is not. Jews are not White, only native Europeans may be included. Further subdivisions of the White class are not only not discouraged, they are encouraged; these subgroups fighting one another is discouraged and alliance against non-Europeans encouraged.

The White Left, the White Class, is for people of Native European descent only.

I am convinced that a sufficient moral order can crystallize around the 14 Words.

Bowery and GW might be averse to this, saying that the borders should emerge more purely, more naturally, more organically, without deliberate coordination and instead, out of our biology - anything else might only perpetuate the collectivist sickness which has alienated us from our true nature along with our abilities in self sufficiency and self defense, but I don’t think so.

The White Left, as I see it, may allow for private property, free enterprise, wide individual and community differences, wide differentials in wealth, minimal safety nets, larger safety nets, etc - all provided they do not violate the White Class. In a word, creation of borders or boundaries must be a form of leftism, however minimal, necessary to maintaining the union of Whites (while there may be various forms of rightism within).

I will try to have a better understanding of what people like Bowery, Lister, Ellen Brown and GW, (when he goes into that), have to say about economics..

I am comfortable that our White circumscribed defense and economic systems need not proceed in tandem with international capitalism nor with Marxism, but I am inarticulate of the details as yet.

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 11, 2012, 06:50 AM | #

Lister-watch: a new MR feature

Didn’t Dr. Lister, some months back, relay from one of his favorite neomarxist sources that Argentina was a stellar economic success of late? How inconvenient no one has informed the Argentinian people of this fact!

Argentines Hold Nationwide Protests Against Kirchner Government


By Ken Parks

BUENOS AIRES—Tens of thousands of Argentines poured into the streets of some of the country’s biggest cities Thursday evening to voice their discontent with President Cristina Kirchner’s government.

The protests come almost two months after middle class Argentines similarly took to the streets out of frustration over the government’s growing control over the economy and the perception that it is not doing enough to fight crime.

In the capital city, thousands of people waving Argentine flags and singing the national anthem gathered at the emblematic obelisk in downtown Buenos Aires and the famed Plaza de Mayo square that fronts the presidential palace to voice their grievances. Protesters said their top concerns included crime, high inflation, and rumors that Mrs. Kirchner might seek a third term.

Thousands gathered in front of the President’s residence in the Olivos district on the outskirts of Buenos Aires.

Marcela, a 45-year old office administrator who declined to give her last name, said she’s “sick and tired of the crime in this country.”

Maximo, a 33-year old attorney who also declined to give his last name, said he came out to demand greater public security and an end to corruption and the vilification of the middle class by the government.

“[Mrs. Kirchner] has polarized Argentina. This has happened before and we know how it ends,” he said.

Protesters banging pots and pans—a common form of peaceful protest in Argentina—also gathered in the provincial cities of Rosario, Santa Fe and La Plata.

The protest’s organization was a topic of heated debate, with participants saying it was an organic result of discontent that spread quickly across popular social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter.

But government officials discounted that idea, saying there was nothing spontaneous about the protest and that it has long been planned by opposition parties and other antigovernment groups.

Administration officials have tried to paint the protesters as willing dupes of powerful special interest groups intent on undermining a democratically elected government.

Mrs. Kirchner’s popularity has plunged since she won re-election in October 2011 due to a slowdown in the economy and the perception by many that she is out of touch with reality.

A poll by Management & Fit last month found that 31.6% of participants said they approved of the way Mrs. Kirchner is running the government, down from 64.1% a year ago.

Those who disapprove of Mrs. Kirchner’s management of the government rose to 59.3% from 29.4% in October last year.

Almost 50% of respondents said they held either a positive or neutral view of Mrs. Kirchner, according to the poll.

When asked to rank their main concerns, 79.4% of those surveyed named crime as their primary worry, 64% said inflation was their No. 2 concern, 49.9% ranked unemployment third.

Some 51.8% of participants said the government isn’t addressing their main concerns.

Mrs. Kirchner appears to have largely spent the enormous political capital she amassed in last year’s general election, which saw her left-wing faction of the ruling Peronist Party and its allies take control of both houses of Congress.

A sharp slowdown in the economy during the first half of this year took some of the effervescence out of the start of her second term.

Recent data portray an economy that will struggle to grow 3% this year, after expanding about 9% in each of the two previous years, according to highly questioned official data.

High inflation, sluggish demand for Argentine goods in Brazil, and currency controls have all taken their toll on the economy, though unemployment remains steady at about 7%.

The government expects the economy to grow about 4.4% in 2013, largely based on forecasts of a record grain harvest and a recovery in Brazil.

Policy missteps that have angered many middle-class and wealthy Argentines also explain her waning popularity.

Just days after winning reelection with 54% of the vote, Mrs. Kirchner introduced currency controls to stop capital flight that slowly was draining the central bank’s international reserves.

The government now decides who can buy foreign currencies, namely dollars, through regulated channels such as banks and exchange houses. Currency rationing has become especially onerous for Argentines who want to travel abroad, with the authorities approving very limited dollar purchases for tourism.

She has also raised trade barriers that have trimmed Argentina’s import bill, but angered trading partners like Brazil, China and the U.S.

The controls have successfully curbed capital flight, but have damaged business confidence and disrupted activity in important sectors such as real estate. That, in turn, has aggravated the economic slowdown, even as economists say annual inflation remains entrenched at around 25%.

Argentina’s fragmented political opposition has been unable to capitalize on the low popularity of the Kirchner administration, and its disapproval ratings are even higher than Mrs. Kirchner’s, at around 70%, according to Management & Fit.

—Taos Turner and Shane Romig contributed to this article.

————————————————————————————-

“There is only capitalism and barbarism.” - Leon Haller

 

 

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Posted by daniels on November 11, 2012, 07:34 AM | #

“Exponential growth is unsustainable. In nature, sustainable growth progresses in a logarithmic curve that grows increasingly more slowly until it levels off (the red line in the first chart above). Exponential growth does the reverse: it begins slowly and increases over time, until the curve shoots up vertically (the chart below). Exponential growth is seen in parasites, cancers . . . and compound interest. When the parasite runs out of its food source, the growth curve suddenly collapses.”

Ellen Brown

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/11/08-8

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 07:37 AM | #

“How to Recapture the Interest: Own the Bank

The implications of all this are stunning. If we had a financial system that returned the interest collected from the public directly to the public, 35% could be lopped off the price of everything we buy. That means we could buy three items for the current price of two, and that our paychecks could go 50% farther than they go today.

Direct reimbursement to the people is a hard system to work out, but there is a way we could collectively recover the interest paid to banks. We could do it by turning the banks into public utilities and their profits into public assets. Profits would return to the public, either reducing taxes or increasing the availability of public services and infrastructure.”

Ellen Brown

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 07:40 AM | #

“By borrowing from their own publicly-owned banks, governments could eliminate their interest burden altogether.  This has been demonstrated elsewhere with stellar results, including in Canada, Australia, and Argentina among other countries.

In 2011, the U.S. federal government paid $454 billion in interest on the federal debt—nearly one-third the total $1,100 billion paid in personal income taxes that year.  If the government had been borrowing directly from the Federal Reserve—which has the power to create credit on its books and now rebates its profits directly to the government—personal income taxes could have been cut by a third.

Borrowing from its own central bank interest-free might even allow a government to eliminate its national debt altogether.  In Money and Sustainability: The Missing Link (at page 126), Bernard Lietaer and Christian Asperger, et al., cite the example of France.  The Treasury borrowed interest-free from the nationalized Banque de France from 1946 to 1973.  The law then changed to forbid this practice, requiring the Treasury to borrow instead from the private sector.  The authors include a chart showing what would have happened if the French government had continued to borrow interest-free versus what did happen.  Rather than dropping from 21% to 8.6% of GDP, the debt shot up from 21% to 78% of GDP.

“No ‘spendthrift government’ can be blamed in this case,” write the authors. “Compound interest explains it all!” “


Ellen Brown

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 07:41 AM | #

“State and local governments could do it too.” ibid

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Posted by john on November 11, 2012, 08:17 AM | #

The Irish find a voice?
https://peopleforeconomicjustice.com/lmfm-interview-with-ben-gilroy/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVC0jZ18DXA

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Posted by Leon Haller on November 11, 2012, 08:59 AM | #

commondreams.org is a neomarxist site. Their understanding of how the economy works is nonexistent.

There is really only one basic principle to know:

“There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch.”

Although I prefer:

“Production must precede parasitism.” Leon Haller

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 09:39 AM | #

Adelson wants cheap non-white labor, low taxes and pro-Likudnik policies.  Therefore his shabbos goy dogs like John Boehner bark on command;  “No new taxes” and ‘growth’ on immigration amnesties.  The fact these policies will likely cost them their ‘majority’ in 2014 is irrelevant.  And it doesn’t really matter.  They aren’t a ‘majority’ in a real sense and do not author the policies they’re ordered to support.  They’re a collection of mediocre hirelings whose bosses choose to assign them deceptive common labels

.


Indeed but let’s not make the mistake of falling into the false belief that Adelson’s behavior is the sole domain of the Jews. I can’t quantify an exact number, but I’m pretty certain non-Jewish white businessman outnumber the Adelsons of the world by a ratio of at least 5:1.

For example, look how Texas Govenor Perry is “persuaded” to go hands off on the illegal aliens in Texas.

Here’s but one smoking gun:

Rick Perry’s pro-immigration Texas base

As Mitt Romney starts to turning to an immigration contrast with Rick Perry, the Texas governor’s own supporters are highlighting his stands on that topic that may not wear well with a majority of early-state Republican activists.
Continue Reading


POLITICO’s Ken Vogel passes along an email sent by Perry contributor Norman Adams that contained a separate email from Steve Hotze, also a Perry bundler based in Texas. Both emails make donor solicitations that underscore Perry’s position helping to kill a bill similar to the Arizona immigration legislation, for instance.

The upshot is that these are not necessarily positions that either primary and caucus voters know about Perry, or that will sit well with them.

As I noted in another post, it’s not clear that immigration is the driver of voter interests in presidential primaries that some believe it to be. But it will be interesting to see how Perry tries to keep both his donor base of Texas businessmen, who tend to favor the immigrants who aid the state’s economy, and voters happy.

Adams’ email, titled “Governor Perry and immigration,” is below:

Thank you for signing the checks! You helped Dr. Steve Hotze fulfill his fundraising promise to Governor Perry.

We raised $43,000 of the $205,000 Steve Hotze handed him last night.

In years past I have presented the Governor honorary awards for Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse, for TLR, and for The Justice Foundation. However, it was the latest legislative session that gave Dr. Steve Hotze and me the best opportunity to convince Governor Perry that business owners, the economic engines that drive our economy, are overwhelmingly opposed to Arizona-style legislation. Republican Representatives and Senators, many of them our close friends, filed 108 Arizona-style bills! With the Texas legislature overwhelmingly Republican controlled, most were expected to pass.

With the help of business owners including you, we packed the hearings, we faxed, we phoned, we emailed the right people, and they listened! I was delighted last evening when the Governor looked across at me called my name and did not shoot me! Instead, he grabbed me by both arms, and of course, I grabbed him. I told him, Governor, the Houston Hispanic Chamber just named me an “Honorary Mexican” and I am here to tell you, if you will help us, Steve Hotze and I will lead the charge getting the Hispanic vote! They are Pro Life and Pro Family. They belong in the Republican Party. We must attract the Hispanic vote and together rid this country of the Obama Plague!

So, will the Governor listen? Let’s hope and pray he does! If he listens you will have played an important roll!

I have been asked to speak to the C Club on September 20th, and to the Texas Roofers Association on September 21. Both groups want to hear what happened in the Texas Legislature. I hope to inspire them to get involved. Our immediate challenge, in addition to getting Governor Perry elected, is in Washington DC. We have to convince Lamar Smith that deporting illegal immigrants is not a pathway to full employment, but rather it is a pathway to economic disaster!

It should be obvious to you, I am encouraged, and I hope you are!

God bless you, and may He help us help America!

Norman E. Adams

Co-Founder

Texans for Sensible Immigration Policy

And here is Hotze’s email:

Dear Norman,

Thank you so much for your investment of $5,000 in Governor Rick Perry’s campaign for President and your help getting others to do the same.

You have taken advantage of a great opportunity to restore our nation and return it to its Constitutional foundation.

Because of your support and the other members of our team, we raised over $205,000 in investments for the Perry for President campaign. We were second in the greater Houston area and third in the state.

We are involved in a life and death struggle with the dark forces of socialism and Marxism.

Under the leadership of Rick Perry, free enterprise will once again flourish and conservative and Christian values will be revived.

With God’s help and your support I am confident that we shall be victorious in our efforts!

With much appreciation for your friendship and support, I remain, as always,

Sincerely yours,

Steven F. Hotze, M.D.

President

Conservative Republicans of Texas

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/62564.html#ixzz2BvICW4En

BTW, I’m not trying to diminish the role that organised Jewry play in our dispossession; I’m contending the problem we’re facing is MUCH wider in scope, and involves MANY more moving parts than “The Jews are doing it to us” explanation.  Moreover, I’m NOT assuming, or even infering, YOU subscribe to “it’s all the Jews fault” line of thinking. I’m just calling it like I see it.

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 09:50 AM | #

“Money is a fungible proxy for man’s ability to reason, labor, create, and produce.”

“ALL currency is fiat, even gold.”—Ann Barnhardt

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 11:06 AM | #

Sounds like Bowery might be a “neomarxist” too then..

If a system can provide for subsistence, I don’t see what is to stop people from doing more.

For example, if you take Bowery’s model of distributism, each couple would get what, 13K?, and perhaps credit for a site value necessary to start a family. If they wanted more than one child, or a better life, they’d have to earn more, somehow, rather than resting on their subsistence amount.

Leon, I’m sorry but you believe in Christianity and in the Free Market to an unequivocal extent that no person I trust to listen to does.

There seems to be no talking to you, and so I don’t bother. How many millions is enough before you contribute some incremental taxes to the common good? I am not even against millions.

If, After 100k, the earner starts to be taxed 1%? After a million, 10%? Is that really such a hardship?

I know, I know the church is supposed to take care of it. Well, sorry, the bible is insanity - I’m not trusting people who rely on those books as their text to provide an accurate representation of the common good, the capital of our inherited genetics.

“Production must precede parasitism.” Leon Haller

That statement sounds like you are rubbing your hands together waiting to get to the parasite stage.


Innocent until proven guilty - Daniels.

“Exponential growth is unsustainable. In nature, sustainable growth progresses in a logarithmic curve that grows increasingly more slowly until it levels off (the red line in the first chart above). Exponential growth does the reverse: it begins slowly and increases over time, until the curve shoots up vertically (the chart below). Exponential growth is seen in parasites, cancers . . . and compound interest. When the parasite runs out of its food source, the growth curve suddenly collapses.”

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 11:18 AM | #

Jews are not White

That there could be one of the most unsupported “statements of fact” WNs make. 

Yes it’s true that some white leftist Jews do not identifying as white (e.g. Susan Sontag). But isn’t that due to their buying into cockamamie Marxist theories? such as the one created by Dr. Bozo Ignatiev?

The convoluted “white are a social construct” con game I get. Of course it reject it, but I understand the con.

So, daniel, are you saying just because some white Jews don’t identify as white, that, ipso facto, is proof that “Jews are not white”?

I seems to me that most Jews alive today are biologically white. Or are my eyes lying to me?

Are not most descendants of Europeans that converted to Judaism during the Roman Empire white? Are not the descendants of the pagan Khazar tribe who converted to Judaism in 740 AD white-Caucasian? Add to that all the converts in the Euro-sphere since 740 AD. and voila! It adds up to around 90% of the Jewish population today being white-Caucasian.

 

 

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 12:15 PM | #

..........
First things first: Haller might not take Frosty Woodridge’s word as worthy corroboration of Ellen Brown’s statement, but perhaps he would listen to physicist Albert Bartlett?


http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/10/robert-stark-interviews-professor-albert-bartlett/

http://reasonradionetwork.com/20120106/the-stark-truth-frosty-wooldridge-on-overpopulation

“Exponential growth is unsustainable. In nature, sustainable growth progresses in a logarithmic curve that grows increasingly more slowly until it levels off (the red line in the first chart above). Exponential growth does the reverse: it begins slowly and increases over time, until the curve shoots up vertically (the chart below). Exponential growth is seen in parasites, cancers . . . and compound interest. When the parasite runs out of its food source, the growth curve suddenly collapses.”


Ok, next - Thorn:

Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 11:18 AM | #

  Jews are not White

That there could be one of the most unsupported “statements of fact” WNs make.


It is very sustainable, I believe MacDonald and all significant others on the matter, including Jewish geneticists, will show that Jews are usually around 30% European - The Ashkenazi some times, but not usually, up to 50%. I.e. Jews are not White.


Yes it’s true that some white leftist Jews do not identifying as white (e.g. Susan Sontag). But isn’t that due to their buying into cockamamie Marxist theories? such as the one created by Dr. Bozo Ignatiev?


You guys just see Marxism everywhere and can see nothing else.

My father was in the brewery workers union, does that make him a “leftist”?

It goes beyond being silly when you come here and try to say that Jews are White. You are making yourselves into enemies of our cause: unwittingly at best, but a ball and chain, a trojan horse - I’m not sure what the appropriate metaphor would be - it isn’t good.


The convoluted “white are a social construct” con game I get. Of course it reject it, but I understand the con.


I should not have tried to explain that to you, Thorn. But it is actually an important matter to sort out for White interests. I must say, I’m beginning to be suspicious of you.

There is no con game. I tried to explain to you that social constructionism was meant to be realist, not idealist. Then the notion was abused and misused by Jewish academics for anti-White ends. Never mind - you can’t or won’t believe it.

So, daniel, are you saying just because some white Jews don’t identify as white, that, ipso facto, is proof that “Jews are not white”?

No, I am saying it is in the genes and in how they act as a pattern - part of which is to not identify as Whites and to antagonize White interests. Are you that determined to include Jews amongst us, Thorn?


I seems to me that most Jews alive today are biologically white. Or are my eyes lying to me?

Yes, your eyes are not discerning their underlying genetic patterns well enough. They look fairly White but have a different genetic make up, a different metabolism.


Are not most descendants of Europeans that converted to Judaism during the Roman Empire white?

I don’t know. If they were Europeans and converted to Judaism, did not intermarry with Jews, then they might be White. But I would imagine after such a long time practicing their faith, that they would be intermarried with them pretty thoroughly.


Are not the descendants of the pagan Khazar tribe who converted to Judaism in 740 AD white-Caucasian?

That area is a gray area, genetically speaking - I’m not sure.


Add to that all the converts in the Euro-sphere since 740 AD. and voila! It adds up to around 90% of the Jewish population today being white-Caucasian.

Wrong.

I look to MacDonald and corroborating sites, which have Jews being about 30% European on average.

Add to their being 4-15% African, more than any native European nations (except maybe Portugal, but I think even more than them).

Then take note of the patterns of their behavior, their aims and concerns- no, they are clearly not White.

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 01:01 PM | #

http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/a-white-nationalist-memo-to-white-male-republicans/

Anyway, if you haven’t already, you guys should see this article for recovering Republicans: it’s a good one

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 01:12 PM | #

It is very sustainable, I believe MacDonald and all significant others on the matter, including Jewish geneticists, will show that Jews are usually around 30% European - The Ashkenazi some times, but not usually, up to 50%. I.e. Jews are not White.

I’ve never seen any peer reviewed studies that prove what you’re saying is true. In any event, is it not true that whites resided outside the artificial boundaries of Europe for thousands of years? They may not have share exactly the same genotype as Scandinavians but nevertheless were biologically/genetically white, no?

That said, I’m NOT going to let the Jews off the hook like you are. Leftist Jewish intellectuals are largely responsable for the vilest of anti-White ideology. An ideology and sentiment that has spread worldwide in its scope. Again, if we are to suffer under the “anti-racist” hostile environment the JEWS CREATED for whites, then it is my assertion, from now on, THE JEWS ARE THE WHITEST OF ALL WHITES! Have at ‘em niggers!

Hows that for ya?!?

Daniels, doesn’t realize he is unwitting playing into their hand. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that logic isn’t daniels forte.

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 01:45 PM | #

And it’s even more obvious proof reading is not Thorn’s forte.  LOL

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Posted by daniels on November 11, 2012, 02:23 PM | #

That said, I’m NOT going to let the Jews off the hook like you are. Leftist Jewish intellectuals are largely responsable for the vilest of anti-White ideology.


Daniels, doesn’t realize he is unwitting playing into their hand. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that logic isn’t daniels forte.Daniels, doesn’t realize he is unwitting playing into their hand. It’s becoming increasingly obvious that logic isn’t daniels forte.


Who is letting the Jews off the hook, but you with their insistence they are White?

It is you who is playing into their hands with your jeeboo and your absolute refusal to hear what I am actually saying.

It is obvious that reading is not your forte.

Don’t criticize about logic, yours is bereft.

It’s a waste of time to talk to you.

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 02:37 PM | #

Unlimited growth, Jesus rises from the dead and Jews are White: good logic

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Posted by Dude @ Haller on November 11, 2012, 03:54 PM | #

“15 States including Texas have filed a petition to secede from the United States”

Early days, will come to naught but to suggest it should not be a strong consideration for political propaganda and action is foolish.

http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 11, 2012, 04:02 PM | #

Oh no I’m on Haller watch – scary stuff for sure.

The problem is that liberals, particularly of the libertarian type, is that they perceive and assert a strong moral continuity from taxation, to forced labour and ultimately to slavery. This no doubt is a product of a Lockean liberal ideology that claims ‘inalienable rights to property’ - where these invariant ‘rights’ came from no-one knows (oh that’s right they are entirely made up).

But Mr. Haller and others of the same ideological outlook really do believe that public collective action is a form of radical evil. OK Prof. Nozick et al., wanted a minimal ‘night-watchmen’ state that has just enough power and resources to enforce his view of property rights and nothing else (how convenient, yes?). But such people really do think, at heart, a fire-fighter is a ‘parasite’.

Mr. Haller and I have a very different conception of who and what are genuinely parasitical upon the social body.

For example, the $700 trillion financial derivatives market and other financial products are in largely unregulated markets (hence ‘free’) which I happen to view as the biggest ‘parasitical’ racket in human history. Mr. Haller thinks quite the opposite I’m sure.

Justice is not only about the right way to distribute things. It is also about the right way to value things. However, ‘free-market’ ideologues (propounding a deeply liberal ideological formulation coincidently) do not think that anything has an intrinsic worth. Everything is up for grabs in the ebb and flow of supply and demand. In medieval times, philosophers and theologians believed that the exchange of goods should be governed by a ‘just price’, determined by tradition or the intrinsic value of things. But in market societies, the economists observed, prices are set by supply and demand. There is no such thing as a right or wrong price (or value) associated with anything or anyone. All things have a price and all things eventually become fungible.

However, in letting the market invade every aspect of life and viewing everything via logic of market exchange is extremely damaging. Firstly, in letting the ‘free-market’ maximally loose we inevitably increase economic inequality massively. Why is this societally disastrous in the longer term?

Well too great a gap between rich and poor eventually undermines the solidarity that any notion of collective identity and group loyalty requires. Here’s how: as inequality deepens, rich and poor live increasingly separate lives, practically, culturally and most importantly in terms of imaginative and moral sympathies. The bonds that bind, that maintain and even allow for the flourishing of reciprocal bonds of solidarity and in-group loyalty become stretched to breaking point. Witness for example Mr. Haller’s attitude – he really does think of poor white Americans as a sub-species of ‘scum’ and wonders why they might distrust him and his type? Loyalty is a reciprocal phenomenon fostered by a collective vision of solidarity and mutual obligation.

All mass societies are marked by hierarchies and some level of socio-economic stratification but a wise society would not let the inter and intra-generational ‘moral economy’ to be gravely damaged by maximally widening any key sociological cleavage, let alone perhaps the most important of all. It’s not like we are even discussing anything approaching real economic equality – rather promoting a minor increase relative economic equality for the common good/as a mechanism for binding people together. In Denmark there are still very wealthy individuals but rather less extremely poor ones. And which European nation has actually had an ethnocentric party in government (i.e. has demonstrated high levels of implicit in-group loyalty in a way that actually might matter)?

Now market ideologues like Hayek tell us they aren’t really in favour of economic inequality because they are uncaring, self-serving scum-bags – no it’s justified so long as the worst-off still benefits from the overall arrangement – but even if this is true what if the arrangement undermines the social ‘whole’ such as the social parts eventually do not even recognise themselves to be a social ‘whole’? And again those promoting the benefits of maximal socio-economic inequalities (even if it is at the cost of in-group loyalty) strangely are also those that disproportionally benefit from those inequalities. But that’s not a real concern is it? After all as that robust ‘conservative’ and realist about the human condition – Mr. Haller – has told us only ‘leftists’ are greedy so that’s the end of the matter over the motivations of free-market ideologues.

Returning to the main issue, in maximally free-market societies, individualism (with regard to all things – all forms of life) is promoted very much at the expensive of ALL collective or communal concepts. Life becomes increasingly only concerned with ‘I’ questions and viewpoints and ‘we’ questions, of every possible type, are marginalised. Another problem is a ‘free-market’ society is that money becomes the only measure of success or worth. All other forms of human excellences or human flourishing or virtue, particularly those around which morally virtuous hierarchies might be moulded are again marginalised to almost the point of invisibility.

GDP does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our families, the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country. It measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. It cannot tell us, nor even recognise, if we are part of a ‘beloved’ community free to be itself. Again the USA is a far richer nation than Denmark (in terms of money) but it’s a far more improvised society in everything that actually counts. Yet ‘intellectuals’ such as Charles Murray are simply dumbfounded and indecently silent of why Denmark has the highest reported levels of contentment and happiness in the world and also generally tops the human welfare index (i.e. has the best quality of life). It simply doesn’t compute with Prof. Murray or Mr. Haller; it’s not a ‘real’ fact about the world. After all America is a far richer nation and Americans are far more religious and should therefore be the happiest people in the word, right? It’s a shame but not a shock that American political, cultural and even empirical horizons do not reach beyond the land of the free (market).

Aristotle teaches that justice means giving people what they deserve. And in order to determine who deserves what, we have to determine what virtues are worthy of honour and reward. Aristotle maintains that we can’t figure out what a just community is without first reflecting on the most desirable way, or forms, of life. So yes let money be one’s highest goal - the only civilisational (I use the term loosely in this context) hierarchy that really ‘counts’. Making money as the primary, indeed only, virtue. OK fine, but then watch as the machine will ‘eat itself’ as all manner of toxic ‘negative externalities’ slowly but surely destroys key parts of both the physical and social environment - even better if a decent profit for some ‘free-rider’ can be made from such processes. Yes the age of liberal-capitialism (modernity as such) has brought enormous material benefits, but the notion that such a revolutionary historical phenomena can only bring positive change is the height of utopian naivety.

A globalist/deracinated planet of multicultural slums under the rule of cosmopolitan liberal-capitalist elite strata isn’t part of my political vision. The free-market as the primal institution of a regime of ‘spaceless universalism’; market exchange as the universal ‘lingua franca’, dissolving all ‘artificial’ differentiation, distinctions and particularist forms of life; profit and loss as the measure of all things. This is very much the future regime that Mr. Haller and his ilk would bring forth. In Mr. Haller’s case it’s perhaps unwittingly so, as he’s not terrible bright, nor self-evidently a deep thinker. After all he thinks Thomas Jefferson was a substantive political thinker, rather than an incoherent and buffoonish 3rd rate liberal.

And with regard to Argentina since when did one year of economic data discredit an economic policy Mr. Haller? What is the long-term rate of economic growth in the USA since 1979 to now compared say with 1945-1979? Even you should be able to find out.

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 04:04 PM | #

Daniels said: I hate Jews, Christians, capitalists, liberals, homos, right-wingers and conservatives….. and I hate anyone that DOESN’T hate Jews, Christians, liberals, homos, right-wingers, and conservatives…........


If you subtract all the people the “sophisticated” daniels turns off, then that leaves him about .0000000000000009% of the populace that—in the real world— would consider buying what he’s selling.

Hardly a winning strategy.

Smarten up Danny boy.


———————-

And of course, Jewess Liz Claman is not white.


http://tools.foxnews.com/sites/tools.foxnews.com/files/204x204-liz-claman.jpg

Damned lying eyes of mine!


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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 11, 2012, 04:22 PM | #

I don’t know why but Mr. Haller reminds me of the central character from ‘American Psycho’.

And he’s by no means the worst that MR has to offer.

Anyway even if he’s not quite Patrick Bateman he is at the very least a Hayekian neoliberal that has some racial prejudices – what a big fucking deal, yes?

I rather think not.

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Posted by Graham_Lister on November 11, 2012, 04:38 PM | #

Off topic slightly. . .

I wonder what all those ‘natural rights’ theorists would say to the Judge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQynsWpBpQ

Blood Meridian - The Judge on War

I’m too tired right now to get into why I don’t totally agree with the Judge. . .

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 05:40 PM | #

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Posted by Thorn on November 11, 2012, 04:04 PM | #

Daniels said: I hate Jews, Christians, capitalists, liberals, homos, right-wingers and conservatives….. and I hate anyone that DOESN’T hate Jews, Christians, liberals, homos, right-wingers, and conservatives…........

That is a lie, Thorn. I did not say that. It is highly unethical to say that I did. Character assassination.

If you subtract all the people the “sophisticated” daniels turns off, then that leaves him about .0000000000000009% of the populace that—in the real world— would consider buying what he’s selling.

I think you should talk to Ramzpaul, he’s peddling your trip of late - “and what ‘people’ really care about in the ‘real’ world”...(Jeeboo and ignoring genetic interests) as if he, or you, know what people, Whites, care about. You don’t.


Hardly a winning strategy.

Smarten up Danny boy.


And of course, Jewess Liz Claman is not white.


http://tools.foxnews.com/sites/tools.foxnews.com/files/204x204-liz-claman.jpg

Damned lying eyes of mine!

Its in the genes and the cultural patterns. I have no trouble believing that woman is Jewish and not White.

Thorn’s winning strategy: limitless growth, Jesus arises from the dead, Jews are White.

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 06:11 PM | #

Graham,

Your post number 116 was great, thank you very much.

There are other matters that I’d like to reflect on more but this part, particularly the second paragraph here, jumps out at me.

For example, the $700 trillion financial derivatives market and other financial products are in largely unregulated markets (hence ‘free’) which I happen to view as the biggest ‘parasitical’ racket in human history…

Justice is not only about the right way to distribute things. It is also about the right way to value things. However, ‘free-market’ ideologues (propounding a deeply liberal ideological formulation coincidently) do not think that anything has an intrinsic worth. Everything is up for grabs in the ebb and flow of supply and demand.

That is what I meant by “innocent until proven guilty.”

We’ve got this 41,000 years of evolution with all of its wonderful expressions and yet, it seems in a free market economy, we have no intrinsic value - that would seem to be a critical part of why our co-evolutonary women could be commodified and given to beasts, for example. *


Looking at the first paragraph, who are the parasites indeed. Thank you Graham.


* This idea of assessing intrinsic value is why I have been insisting on the notion of White men’s basic intrinsic value as pursued in the notion of Being, as a non-trivial agenda made salient against the backdrop and as opposed to the Viet Nam draft; unlike the traditional, radical denial of relative ease of male’s motivational levels of basic sustenance and safety, girls traditionally have been granted these basic motivational levels, if not intrinsic value, a little more easily; and upon that, had the high grumble motive (at the same time) in the opposite direction from men in modernity; i.e., the reversing modernist quest for feminism was actualization.* While that was valid, it was badly out of turn compared to the low grumble motive of men, for intrinsic Being. Of course, this reversing modernist male agenda was very stigmatic to articulate, and had even less sympathy once the Viet Nam war and he draft (the denial of their intrinsic value) was over.


* There would also be overcompensating modernist feminists, who would look more like traditional women in what they sought - only asserted perhaps with more vehemence, to distinguish their efforts from modernist flux.

* And overcompensating modernist males - like Bill Clinton - who would push even harder in the direction of Actualization.

 

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Posted by daniels. on November 11, 2012, 06:36 PM | #

Of course, it is not that there should not be sexual differentiation, but as you point out at another point, when the moral economy is disrupted by the differences becoming too vast, then there is the most horrible alienation of becoming the enemies of those we are deeply born to love.

The prohibition of (racial) classifications (by their being called racist, or the anathema of ‘rights’), the prohibition of their boundaries, disrupts systemic accountability and ecology, unleashes the disorder of modernity, the one up position of (often puerile) females emerges with increased significance; along with that, their natural tendency to incite genetic competition as they are pandered to from more angles.

This perpetuates discord between the sexes and their mutual estrangement becomes a reciprocally escalating diatribe to runaway, breaking down intraracial concordance; and leaving it susceptible to opportunistic outsiders - since the situation is disordered, the opportunistic outsiders that the broken class is particularly susceptible to is to be found at the lowest common denominator of more primitive forms - Africans, in particular.

There is little reason to doubt that Jewish interests are not basically aware of this and are not pandering to young girls’ incitement (with feminism, the evils of racism, the “unearned privilege of White men” etc)

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 02:42 AM | #

Despite the prohibition against classifications (prohibition via the technology of individual rights and classification being called “racism”), people still need to classify in order to make coherent sense of the social world. As a result, gender (read, women) and other more distinct categories, such as Blacks, tend to become the de facto classifications and hegemonic as such.


That they are not as distinguishable to the eye, as a category, could obviously work to the favor of Jewish stealth.

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 02:51 AM | #

These factors all tend to feed in one direction to create a charmed loop between a kind of Hegelian dialectic (sorry Graham) of defacto classifications, the “solution” to which tends to be Mulatto Supremacism - an ecologically destructive and invasive species category.

 

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 06:48 AM | #

That is a lie, Thorn. I did not say that. It is highly unethical to say that I did. Character assassination.

No it’s not. Over the course of the last few threads you’ve managed to unequivocally express your disdain for all the groups I’ve listed. All I did was consolidate them in one sentence for ya. That said, maybe the word ‘hate’ is too strong. Perhaps I should have used the word disdain. Anyway you went so far as to express exasperation for what you perceived as heresy by the “right-wingers” David Duke and John Edwards. LOL! Obviously, daniels, you need to sit them down and give them a good talking to. HEH!

And moving on. You are correct about Jews not wholly being genetically European. I just did a quick google search and found out Ashkenazi Jews are actually Middle-Eastern and European hybrids. It appears that when the Jews migrated into Eastern Europe, allot of intermarriage took place over the centuries. Hence, phenotypes such as Liz Claman.

Source: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/12/ashkenazi-jews-are-middle-eastern-european-hybrids/

Next, you state: “...your eyes are not discerning their underlying genetic patterns well enough. They [Jews] look fairly White but have a different genetic make up, a different metabolism.”

Good news on that front. Diaspora Jews have EXTREMLY high intermarriage rates. For example, at present 75% of Russian Jews intermarry. 45 to 55% of Americano Jews intermarry. IOWS, their gene-pool is rapidly becoming diluted. It remains to be seen what effect the dilution will have on their “different metabolism”.

Sources: http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=46253

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3984935,00.html

If you assert that the Jews are not white due to the fact their genetic makeup is Middle-Eastern with European admixture, how should we classify Spaniards, Sicilians, southern Italians or other southern Europeans? What about the admixture of Middle Eastern and North African genes to their genetic makeup? Are Meds White? Maybe we should open that can of worms on another day?

Lastly I NEVER said I was for “unlimited growth”. That is a lie, daniels. It is highly unethical to say that I did. Character assassination.

 

 


 

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 07:18 AM | #

No it’s not. Over the course of the last few threads you’ve managed to unequivocally express your disdain for all the groups I’ve listed. All I did was consolidate them in one sentence for ya.

That is your interpretation and it is wrong.


you perceived as heresy by the “right-wingers” David Duke and John Edwards.

I did not say they were heretics. I suggest rather, that their right-wing position has blind spots which, unwittingly, does a disservice to Whites.


Obviously, daniels, you need to sit them down and give them a good talking to. HEH!

No, they are loyal advocates. Duke purveys much useful information on the J.Q. and The Political Cesspool, particularly Keith Alexander, provides many a brilliant insight: that’s what clued me into the particular significance of the Brown decision. But do I think they are perfect? - no. High scores, nevertheless, particularly Alexander.

Suggesting that I could sit him down and lecture him is a bit like saying that I can sit Lister or Bowery down and lecture them. The best I can hope for is to make a suggestion here or there where I think they might be missing something.


And moving on. You are correct about Jews not wholly being genetically European. I just did a quick google search and found out Ashkenazi Jews are actually Middle-Eastern and European hybrids. It appears that when the Jews migrated into Eastern Europe, allot of intermarriage took place over the centuries. Hence, phenotypes such as Liz Claman


Good for you: I am glad to see that you are corrigible. It speaks well of you.

If you assert that the Jews are not white due to the fact their genetic makeup is Middle-Eastern with European admixture, how should we classify Spaniards, Sicilians, southern Italians or other southern Europeans? What about the admixture of Middle Eastern and North African genes to their genetic makeup? Are Meds White? Maybe we should open that can of worms on another day?

All of these groups that you mention, are (unlike Jews), on balance, of European genetics.

I believe the Portugese have the largest amount of African admixture, some 9%,

Italians have some 1-3% of African, also a minority percentage of stuff in common with middle easterners, particularly in the south. But again, on balance, European.

If you don’t like them, don’t go there and don’t breed with them.

Regarding concerns about cross “contamination”, I never favor large scale mixing of Europeans. And there should be purer groups maintained: Bowery is an expert on husbandry, not me.

However, yes, I would say that the groups you mention are European.

There were also a lot of Jews intermarrying with Germans, hence phenotypes like Liz Claman (note that it is hardly a Slavic type name).


Lastly I NEVER said I was for “unlimited growth”. That is a lie, daniels. It is highly unethical to say that I did. Character assassination

Ok, I withdraw that attribution - Thorn is not for unlimited growth..he just calls anybody who tries to propose an alternate system a communist, Marxist, leftist - and he hates them!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 09:04 AM | #

There were also a lot of Jews intermarrying with Germans, hence phenotypes like Liz Claman (note that it is hardly a Slavic type name).

Tsk tsk.

1) Isn’t it a fact that many Jewish immigrants change their surnames?

2) Liz Clamen’s family originates from Russia. Isn’t Russia classified as a Slavic nation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Claman#Early_years

 

 

 

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 09:25 AM | #

Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 09:04 AM | #

  There were also a lot of Jews intermarrying with Germans, hence phenotypes like Liz Claman (note that it is hardly a Slavic type name).

Tsk tsk.

1) Isn’t it a fact that many Jewish immigrants change their surnames?

Yes.

It is also a fact that there were a great number of Jews in Germany and intermarriages between those peoples as well. Nevertheless, a genetic European is a European and a genetic Jew is a Jew.

2) Liz Clamen’s family originates from Russia.

Well, her family may well have been Russian Jews, but Jews did not originate from Russia.

Isn’t Russia classified as a Slavic nation?

Yes, but I believe there would have been some Viking ancestry in the Russians’ original make-up as well.

 

 

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 09:34 AM | #

Daniels,

Noticed you didn’t address the fact that there are extremely—repeat, EXTREMLY—high intermarriage rates amongst Diaspora Jews.

That fact kinda goes contrary to KMac protéges’ assertion that Jews are the most cohesive and exclusionary group on the planet, dosen’t it. Wussup wit dat, huh?


Again :

Daneils said: “...your eyes are not discerning their underlying genetic patterns well enough. They [Jews] look fairly White but have a different genetic make up, a different metabolism.”

Thorn said:Good news on that front. Diaspora Jews have EXTREMLY high intermarriage rates. For example, at present 75% of Russian Jews intermarry. 45 to 55% of Americano Jews intermarry. IOWS, their gene-pool is rapidly becoming diluted. It remains to be seen what effect the dilution will have on their “different metabolism”.

Sources: http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=46253

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3984935,00.html

 

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 10:24 AM | #

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/10/maher-white-people-vote-for-white-people-going-out-of-style_n_2109227.html

First, take a look at this bit by Bill Mahr, who is probably half White half Jewish. You will see what I mean by the pattern of Jewish behavior = its extreme antagonism to White interests.


Thus, Jews intermarrying with Whites is not good - it will rather make Whites more Jewish.


There is a recent discussion between MacDonald and Duke, in which MacDonald discusses how Jews see a certain amount of intermarriage as a way of subverting Gentile culture, while they maintain their core group.



Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 09:34 AM | #

Daniels,

Noticed you didn’t address the fact that there are extremely—repeat, EXTREMLY—high intermarriage rates amongst Diaspora Jews.

As I said, while they may see this as problematic, they have their core purist groups in Israel and elsewhere.


That fact kinda goes contrary to KMac protéges’ assertion that Jews are the most cohesive and exclusionary group on the planet, dosen’t it. Wussup wit dat, huh?

As I just explained. (you shouldn’t resort to ghetto talk, its unbecoming to talk like a wigger).


Again :

Daneils said: “...your eyes are not discerning their underlying genetic patterns well enough. They [Jews] look fairly White but have a different genetic make up, a different metabolism.”

Thorn said:Good news on that front. Diaspora Jews have EXTREMLY high intermarriage rates. For example, at present 75% of Russian Jews intermarry. 45 to 55% of Americano Jews intermarry. IOWS, their gene-pool is rapidly becoming diluted. It remains to be seen what effect the dilution will have on their “different metabolism”.

That’s not they way it works, Thorn; their hybrids are all too sympathetic and defensive of Jewish interests, antagonistic of Europeans; and their core group remains intact. In the meantime, the damage is being done, steadily, to White interests; in significant part, as a result of Jewish policies.

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 11:42 AM | #

As I just explained. (you shouldn’t resort to ghetto talk, its unbecoming to talk like a wigger).

YES SIR!!!

Now dig dis:

Yo werd up daneils, iz it possible fo’ you ta consider da possibility dat Duke an’ KMac is wrong sometimes?

Or mo’ importantly can you ever consider you be wrong?

Sho, it could be argued uh =dat uh certain amount o’ intermarriage could be pimp-tight fo’ Jewish interests, but 75%? is you kidding?

Outmarriage at da rates dat Diaspora Jews engage in iz hardly uh strategy fo’ anvancing they EGI. On da contrary, it be uh path ta ethnic suicide ... Jus’ like Orenthawl James dead beotch wife.

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 12:30 PM | #

/.
Sho, it could be argued uh =dat uh certain amount o’ intermarriage could be pimp-tight fo’ Jewish interests, but 75%? is you kidding?

Unfortunately, I would not be kidding. My experience tells me that people who are even one quarter Jewish are too sympathetic to Jews, too liberal or too antagonistic to Whites.

I imagine that this would not always be the case; but I will adopt the working hypothesis: that one quarter Jews/ three quarter Whites are generally too liberal, indifferent to, or antagonistic to Whites.

There is another factor that is not genetic, but cultural: people who are enculturated to think like Jews, i.e., antagonistic to Whites. Of course, Jewish genetic interests are the source of that affectation.

I do not have an exact formula as yet, that is a working hypothesis - to play it safe, one quarter Jews are too Jewish for White interests.

....

This discussion reminds me a bit of the misplaced vigilance (read, paranoia), of a White activist who might have thought that I’d try to allow only for participation from ultra-pure Whites, such that I might try to exclude somebody who is 1/8 AmerIndian from White activism. So much so would that be alleged to be where I was coming from, that they’d disagree at every turn with a proposal to look after and coordinate our people’s genetic interests, a proposal that they would not bother to carefully read or understand.

Or is the concern that the predominant gate-keeper of White activism must see to it that all who enter must be ok with Jeeboo?

Or is it rather that that nobody better step on the toes of the gatekeeper or…oh, I’ll let them create the straw men, since that is their cottage industry.

Jesus will arise from the dead to save White people! Jesus is comin’! Jesus is comin’!

Put yer faith in the hereafter!

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesussssssssssss is comin!

Hey sinner, if you have eyeballs to look at Dyal it is proof that you are a hell-bent purist.

You have eyes, you see? I knew you were discriminating!

What an extremist to think fudgepackers are not beyond criticism! ....doesn’t matter that he has repeatedly said that he does not recommend persecuting them, that they do not represent a pressing problem, that some of them probably do have a strong genetic proclivity.

He thinks people should be able to be critical of them - that is disdain I say! Heal thyself! Jeeeeesusssss is comin’!


Yo werd up daneils, iz it possible fo’ you ta consider da possibility dat Duke an’ KMac is wrong sometimes?

As I have been saying, I do think they are mistaken sometimes: for one example, KMac was saying to Duke just today that Jews’ big thing is to hate Christians (that that is more the issue in their antagonism than Europeanness per se) - implying that we ought to be Christians in order to defend ourselves from Jews. Obviously, I think that is not the best advice as it is untenable for many who can’t find it in themselves to condemn themselves to self sacrificing Thorn in the side logic of Jesus arising from the dead; giving up care for their life in this world in favor of the hereafter…

But..

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesusssssss is a comin’!!!!

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 01:47 PM | #

As I have been saying, I do think they are mistaken sometimes: for one example, KMac was saying to Duke just today that Jews’ big thing is to hate Christians (that that is more the issue in their antagonism than Europeanness per se) - implying that we ought to be Christians in order to defend ourselves from Jews.

I’m not sure if you suffer from mental heath issues or you’re woefully ignorant of why Jews hate/fear Christians. - SPECIFICALLY CHRISTIANS OF EUROPEAN DECENT. I don’t know if I should feel empathy for whatever the hell is going wrong between your ears or stand back and enjoy a good dose of schadenfreude? Seriously. For now it’s the latter. LOL!

 

That said, I didn’t hear the Duke-KMac interview, but I’m certain  the message conveyed in the following entree is what KMac meant.

 

Why Jews fear Christians

There’s an article in the NY Times today about the strong evangelical Christian support for the state of Israel.

This adds yet another mystery to the solid Jewish support for the Democratic party. Support for Israel is supposedly one of those issues that are especially important to Jewish voters. It would seem that the best things Jews could do for the state of Israel is defect to the Republican Party where, allied with evangelicals, they could coerce a strong pro-Israel American foreign policy.

But are Jews really as pro-Israel as they some would have us believe? Many Jews of the liberal pursuasion are wracked with guilt over the poor treatment of the underdog Palestinians. Many Jews don’t believe in their hearts that Israel is good and the Muslims are evil. Some doubt that Israel truly has a right to exist. Evangelicals, on the other hand, know that they are right and that Islam is an evil religion, and they know that the Jews are God’s chosen people who need protection.

When I wrote in a previous post that Jews vote Democratic because seek protection from Christianity, some commenters didn’t get it. Christians aren’t trying to kill Jews. In fact they are trying to help the Jews in Israel. Why are Jews afraid of Christians? It almost seems that Jews fear Christians more than Muslims.

I believe that Jews don’t fear Christianity for physical reasons. They fear being converted. Judaism isn’t a religion in the way Christians are used to thinking about religion. Christians believe in God and Jesus. The majority of Jews don’t believe in God, they only follow the religion because of guilt. Because Jews don’t have rock solid faith in their own faith, they worry that proselytizing Christians will convert their children. My Jewish mother seems to fear Christianity so much that whenever she came in contact with proselytizing literature, such as from Jews for Jesus, she would throw it away as if it were poisonous or radioactive. Really, I am not making this up, that’s how she would respond to it. She was afraid to read it, as if the words themselves would be so powerful they would cause her to lose her Jewish identity.

The fear is legitimate. Every Jewish person who grew up in the U.S. knows the pain they felt as a child during Christmas time when everyone was having fun except the poor Jewish kids. As a Jewish kid, Christmas was a very somber day when everything was closed and we had to sit at home all day doing nothing. We weren’t allowed to do anything on Christmas that might even remotely suggest that we were enjoying the holiday.

Christianity is a pretty easy religion to convert to. Instead of strict dietary laws, temple services that last 10 hours (really, not making that up) and drone on in a foreign language that no one understands, guilt, and no belief in any Heavan or eternal reward to make it all worthwhile, Christianity means the fun of Christmas, short church services in English, eating delicious food without guilt, and you get eternal immortality in Heaven as a reward for your belief.

If the evangelicals had their way, and Christianity were taught in public schools, Jewish parents know that their children would easily be converted to the religion of the majority.

source:

http://www.halfsigma.com/2006/11/why_jews_fear_c.html

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 02:07 PM | #

/.
I’m not sure if you suffer from mental heath issues

Nice try, dirt bag.


or you’re woefully ignorant of why Jews hate/fear Christians.

I am not unaware of the reasoning and the strategy, it has historical backing but there are a great number of people looking for another way. I respect them as you do not. I recognize the reality that there are many, too many drawbacks to it - to begin, too many people in Europe don’t believe it, and with good reason. It is self destructive and absurd.


- SPECIFICALLY CHRISTIANS OF EUROPEAN DECENT. I don’t know if I should feel empathy for whatever the hell is going wrong between your ears or stand back and enjoy a good dose of schadenfreude
?

Your reading comprehension is not very good, is it?

Seriously. For now it’s the latter. LOL!

Go and wait for the second coming of Jesus since you are well adjusted. I am sure that is going to scare the hell out of Jews.

Or maybe they are afraid of quarter Jews (maybe you?) being converted and converting others to Christianity?

Jesus is comin’!

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 03:03 PM | #

Well looky here:

“Mark Alan Siegel, the Palm Beach County Democratic chairman, spoke with Scottie Hughes of Patriot TV on Wednesday shortly after Democrats reinstated the words “God” and “Jerusalem” into their official platform, where he proceeded to go on a hateful anti-Christian rant, claiming all “fundamentalist Christians” want Jews to die to bring about the second coming of Jesus Christ.

“I’m Jewish, I’m not a fan of any other religion than Judaism,” he said. “The worst possible allies for the Jewish state are the fundamentalist Christians who want Jews to die and convert so they can bring on the second coming of their Lord.”

Watch video:

http://cofcc.org/2012/09/dnc-florida-boss-goes-on-vicious-anti-christian-tirade/

++++++++++++++++++++++

Aien’t much difference in the hate level/message between Danny (jew)boy’s anti-Christian tirades and Mark Alan Siegle’s, is there.

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Posted by Thorn on November 12, 2012, 03:17 PM | #

You can have the last word, daniels.  I’m moving on…...

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Posted by daniels. on November 12, 2012, 03:29 PM | #

Ok, bye.

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