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UKIP after Eastleigh The final opinion poll is in - in fact, it’s the only council-dedicated poll that has been done - and the British public, or at least that section who will be voting in the local elections tomorrow, are poised to deliver their verdict for real. There is, of course, huge speculation about the fortunes of the United Kingdom Independence Party. Will its support be spread too thin to deliver the seats it deserves - the enduring penalty of the First Past The Post system? Or is this going to be the election when the party jumps forward and announces itself as a truly broad-based, national party of, if not yet renewal, certainly protest? We will start to find out about this time tomorrow night. Meanwhile, the smear tactics of the mainstream parties and their friends in the media leaves little doubt that UKIP’s rise is real and significant. We are in for a very interesting next 36 hours. A good result for UKIP would be to win 100 new council seats across the areas where voting will take place (mostly Tory shire counties). The Comres poll in these areas produced a 22% voting intention for the party. It should be remembered that protest voters are motivated voters, so that 22% could punch above its weight. But I think it’s wise to temper any such expectations with the knowledge that UKIP is a young party without a political history in many of the wards it is fighting. Electoral politics, at least in Britain, is not a five-minute packet soup, and elections at local authority level frequently favour well-regarded personalities, and hinge on particular local issues. But ... if the present, very exciting signs are borne out by the ballot box, we may be at the start of a genuine challenge to the parties of the mainstream - something we might have hoped, a few short years ago, would come from the BNP. But better UKIP than nobody. I will post interesting results and commentary on the thread. Comments:2
Posted by The Only Way is UKIP on Thu, 02 May 2013 07:14 | # It’s the 2015 Euro elections where UKIP will makei its presence really felt. 3
Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 02 May 2013 07:25 | # Alas, spelling was never my forte - the consequences of a low education allied in my case to the, of course, indisputable fact that a seven year old knows better than all his teachers. I will endeavour to learn from you, however, and have begun by correcting the offending mistake. I checked the Migrationwatch front page but didn’t see any mention of David Coleman’s new report. Do you have a link? Thanks. 4
Posted by Leon Haller on Thu, 02 May 2013 11:37 | #
More than USA? I find that hard to believe. I take it you’ll be voting UKIP, GW? Is it UKIP now for all nationalists?
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Posted by Today is UKIPday! on Thu, 02 May 2013 13:20 | # Sorry GW, not tech-savvy enough to post links, but if you look at the Daily Mail website for Wednesday 1 may, you’ll certainly find a big write up there. And the Telegraph covered it too, on the same day. 6
Posted by wobbly on Thu, 02 May 2013 19:03 | # it’ll be a lot sooner than that of course as they’ll have mass amnesties if they can get away with it.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Thu, 02 May 2013 21:27 | # My wife and I went to the polling tstaion this evening and cast our vote for UKIP. Now we wait. But it will be a slow process: From the BBC elections web-page:
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Posted by Graham_Lister on Thu, 02 May 2013 23:41 | # Labour won with 12,493 with Ukip second with 5,988, the Tories were third with 2,857. The Lib Dems trailed in sixth place with just 352 votes. The area is a rock soild Labour one. UKIP on 25% of the vote in that one. Probably will do much better in Tory areas which is where most of today’s voting took place. Lib Dems look like they are really in trouble. Could UKIP be the new ‘protest party’ of English politics? Source for the data: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2013/may/02/local-elections-2013-live-coverage 9
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 07:02 | # Thanks Graham. Beat me to it. The seven areas that have declared in the county council tier elections have produced an average vote share of 26% for the party and 42 councilors where there were none. Labour, operating from a very low base, having been heavily punished as the governing party last time these elections were held, has made 30 gains. The Tories have been hit hard, losing one in four of their councilors, while the LibDems have lost one in six. After the South Shields declaration (a Westminster by-election) the UKIP candidate Richard Elvin said, “To come from nowhere to take 25% at its first attempt is absolutely stunning. It’s a message to all three mainstream parties that Ukip is the official opposition.” 10
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 07:35 | # The mantra now coming from the media is UKIP can now expect to be subjected to more detailed scrutiny, which I suspect is code for the BBC (media) and the liberal sh*t throwing monkeys will open up the spigot. It’s Farage versus the might of the propaganda arm of the state. Should be interesting. 11
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 07:55 | # The BNP vote in South Shields fell from 7% at the 2009 General Election to 2.9% last night - back to a deposit-losing performance. The Labour vote, meanwhile, fell only from 52% to 50.5%. That is significant. The Conservative vote fell rom 22% in 2009 to 11.5% last night. The Lib-Dem vote fell from 14% in 2009 to 1.4% last night - just 352 votes out of a total cast of 24,736. They duly lost their deposit. 12
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 08:03 | # Bill, The Tories have to respond to this mid-term protest vote (sorry, tap on the shoulder from the Grim Reaper). The nuclear options are either to tack noisily right, which will risk bringing down the coalition (though God knows why the LibDems would want an election just now), or to replace David Cameron with Boris Johnson. First, though, they will try to sell their “successes” on debt (but austerity is not an easy sell) and a reduction in immigration (but the Bulgarian/Romanian tsunami awaits), and they will harden up plans to legislate for an EU membership vote (on what basis we don’t know) in 2018 (What? Another five years of this shambles!) They are in trouble. 13
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 08:15 | # Changing the discourse. Farage has got to force the media on to the back foot, make them defend their race replacement anti white British views. Griffin failed hopelessly in this regard. If Farage fails the litmus test then all of those Brussels performances were a sham. It’s a hell of lot to ask of Farage on his own. He’s got to find others who are prepared to do the same. The BBC has never had to defend their stance, and if they are now forced to do so, then they will crumble. 14
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 08:42 | # When the dust has settled the media will fall back to their favorite ploy, throw UKIP down the memory hole. There’s a whole year before the circus is rolled out again for the EU elections in 2014. Farage and UKIP will be Ron Pauled by the BBC and put on the back burner - until the next time that is. Looked what happened to Breivik. It’s up to Farage not to let this happen. Always remember, if the BBC doesn’t tell you, it never happened. PS. I wonder if Farage will still be welcome on BBC’s question time? 15
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 08:52 | # Bill, UKIP will remain a non-racist party for this period of their development, and possibly beyond. However, non-racist is not anti-racist (which the other mainstream parties all are, obviously). “Non-racist” does not militate for “celebrating diversity”. Theoretically at least, it does not prevent discussion of the meaning of historical immigration, as well as on-going immigration, as an English demographic crisis. Nationalists can contribute by focusing on the English crisis, not on the otherness of the foreigners. We can set the parameters for who the English are, and for the natural rights and interests we, like any people of the land, enjoy. That’s our role, it seems to me. 16
Posted by DanielS on Fri, 03 May 2013 09:08 | # Not to be a kill-joy, but it seems Colin Liddell has raised a meaningful caveat here, viz. that the UKIP may be in the hip pocket of the libertarian sorts. http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/4/24/were-only-making-plans-for-nigel
Dr. Alexander Jacob also renders and excellent point: Jewish interests are not going to allow for any nationalism so far as they have power to stop it. They are internationalists and the only power that they will allow for is their international banking. 17
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 09:51 | # A funny thing happened on my way to polling yesterday. I could make this a long story, in fact I did, but in the end I scrapped it. Here’s the shorthand version. I fell in conversation with a painter and decorator whom I had spotted loading his van on the other side of the road, my other half had been making noises about some decorating needing ‘doing’. We (painter and I) spoke at length about decorating and his availability etc. He gave me his card and I told him I was on my way to vote. As a parting shot I asked him if he had voted, his reply was he didn’t think much of protest voting as there was no one to vote for, and any way, they were all the same old - same old. What about UKIP? Are they the same? I don’t like right wing parties. Don’t you think they will do anything about immigration? They won’t do anything - they can’t. It should’ve been dealt with back in Enoch Powell’s days. But when they talk of sending them home it smacks of genocide. What do you think they’re doing to you and me, and to our children and grandchildren? They’ve earmarked us for extinction. (I nearly said - can’t you see that?) Gobsmacked, I turned and got on my bike. The last thing I heard him repeating (as he got into his van) was, yes it is worrying - it is worrying. True. PS. He seemed a thoroughly decent chap (aged 50 he told me) but what the hell can you do? I think I rather I spoiled his day - sorry about that! Such a beautiful English Spring day too. Oh to be in England now that…. UKIP X 18
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 10:10 | # There are libertarians at the top table, Daniel. But they are, so far as I know, von Mises types rather than radical individualist Samizdata “fruitcakes and clowns” (though those types will be among the party membership). One has to accept that UKIP is not a nationalist party, and is even driven to declare former BNP members personna non grata. There is an obsession with self-protection from the kill-word “racist”. Nonetheless, the party is also heavily committed to projecting an image of ordinary blokes reflecting the vox populi, and the vox is not happy with historical immigration. Pretending it’s only about numbers coming in now or illegals or “skills” is a deception that won’t stand the test of time. The party cannot be seen to be lying, or it is no different to the other parties, and its appeal is lost. And that goes for lying about race as much as anything else. 19
Posted by Morgoth on Fri, 03 May 2013 10:39 | # For me the most interesting aspect of this is that UKIP came in second in a Labour heartland, to be honest I never expected UKIP to do much in Northern White Working class areas. They have also wiped out the BNP vote. It would seem that working class voters are not concerned with the economic side of a ‘‘Hard Tory’’ party if that party is going stop immigration and free us from the EU. The comment on Liddell’s piece above by Golgoroth is mine, and it would seem I was mistaken. The public are seemingly willing to put all traditional class bias on hold in order to break the system. That said, it does leave a rather foul taste in the mouth witnessing a Libertarian/ Tory party annihilating a real Nationalist Party. But needs must, I suppose. 20
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 11:28 | # Morgoth, Just playing with the South Shields numbers, let’s assume that the percentage of overall vote share lost by the Tories - 10.5% - went straight to UKIP. The other big losers were the Lib-Dems who saw 12.5 share lost and the BNP, who saw 3.5% share lost. Let’s assume that the 3.5% BNP share went straight to UKIP. That leaves 11% of gain for UKIP to account for. The Lib-Dem loss is the key. My guess is that at least half of their 2009 GE share were pure protest votes, and they went to UKIP. So that’s another, say, 6%, leaving 5% to come from Labour and elsewhere (new voters, possibly). My sense is that the Labour vote held up reasonably well, which has to be significant for 2015. However, it probably means that gains in these elections will be rather modest, given that the shire counties are not natural Labour territory. 21
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 11:44 | # From golgoroth (see Morgoth @19)
From Alt Right comments. see link @ 16. The left is trying to reclaim their lost sheep with (originally) Blue Labour, but this was was DOA after immigration was mentioned. Now ‘Blue Labour’ is being revamped into ‘One Nation.’ Aside. Why do I bang on about the media? Because they’re the most deadly threat to nationalism, it injects its deadly poison into every home in the nation 24/7. That’s why! 22
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 12:28 | # Hundreds of proud and defiant comments to choose from, but here is just one posted on Tim Stanley’s (rather good) morning-after piece at the DT: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100215169/ukip-is-a-very-british-revolution/
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Posted by DanielS on Fri, 03 May 2013 12:29 | # Let’s please make a distinction between “the” left and the White/native European nationalist left. 24
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 12:38 | # From the DT’s live election coverage:
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Posted by Morgoth on Fri, 03 May 2013 12:50 | # Well the results are still coming in but its already clear the LibDems are being flushed down the toilet, totally. I have trouble believing that so many LibDem votes went to UKIP, the buzz around the LibDems back on 09 was student loans and smoking pot. I would say these people have now 1. Grown Up. 2. Stopped voting after the LibDems stabbed them in the back and got in bed with the Tories. I haven’t yet found the data for 09 but the turn out in South Shields last night was 39% and its a fair bet UKIP’s success came from huge portion that does not usually vote. For your average Englishman UKIP is an easy party to defend and support, you get the kudos of not voting for the Triad and still get to have an anti Immigrant, anti EU stance. Unlike the BNP you do not have to give out a load of exposition on Anti Racism, Cultural Marxism and the Genetics of Ice Age tribes. The Triad are forever trying to poach voters from each other and the 40% block that actually manages to vote, UKIP could be the party that starts to mine that nice juicy 60%. And with the press writing articles like this : ‘‘The docile towns and muted suburbs of middle England are finally in revolt; the smallholders have pulled their muskets from the thatch, and they are marching on Westminster.’‘ I’d say the new era of politics has finally arrived. 26
Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 03 May 2013 13:33 | #
Yeeees, my prediction, my kind of party (listening, O Republican douches? Lister? GW?). Immigration is THE nationalist MINIMUM. Stop Immigration. Preserve sovereignty. No socialist or pacifist nonsense. (And no need for gratuitous attacks on the One True Faith.) That kind of party will win votes. 27
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 14:02 | # At last the dots are being connected, not all by a long chalk, but some. I lost count of the number of times the BBC mentioned UKIP in its lunchtime news, which is unusual to say the least. The cameras went to Lincoln where the message was crystal clear, it was immigration that done it. The branding of racism has now limited effect and can only become more diluted, make no mistake, we’re all aware of the devastation wreaked by the sh*t throwers ace in the hole. Farage is claiming this is a sea change, sea change I don’t know, but it’s certainly a welcome change for the better. I’m scrutinising the BBC News assessments with more than keen interest, the BBC seem comfortable and are not indicating any angst. The BBC is disinterestingly neutral - too neutral. The shires and market towns are now beginning to feel the advantages of being enriched, it’s even stevens at the moment as they’re still voting in old money, but in the market garden shires they are voting UKIP as indicated by Gloucester, Hereford and Lincoln. Trouble is, when it really matters, all of these gains will be negated and more by the big city ethnic vote. They sure knew what they were doing when they planned it this way. 28
Posted by Bill on Fri, 03 May 2013 16:00 | # Maybe you’ve seen an ecstatic Farage parading around with that trademark laugh clutching a copy of the Spectator. (Truth to tell I saw it online in the Independent) So I Googled Farage - Spectator. Surprise - surprise. This caught my eye.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/alex-massie/2013/05/the-tory-tumbrils-begin-to-roll-for-david-cameron/ I cannot recall reading a mainstream article using such forthright language, but again, I’ve led a sheltered life. I mentioned dot connecting earlier, it’s more prevalent than I thought. 29
Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 16:22 | # Here’s a prediction from a very good DT commenter that next up in the line of horror-events for the mainstream is the demand for freedom of expression. They can’t call us racists and fruitcakes. They have to respect us now. It’s official. The thread is to Nile Gardiner’s piece exorting the Tories to become more Thatcherite:
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Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 03 May 2013 16:54 | # Bill@28 I wonder of the average Englishman will finally see the fallacy here (from Massie article):
EXACTLY why I always hated immigration. I told the fools decades ago that there would NEVER be nonwhite “assimilation”, that all we were doing was handing over our country to alien forms of being and life. Modal whites can’t handle race realism and especially racial solidarity. That is our racial flaw. That’s why White Zion will prove to be the only answer. English WNs and American WNs have more in common with each other (and with German WNs, and Dutch WNs, etc) than with their own liberal countrymen. We will only survive if gathered together, and made sovereign.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Fri, 03 May 2013 17:25 | # The final score for county-tier seats won by UKIP is 147. Of those, 139 were won today from other parties, and eight were holds. The DT live blog reports:
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Posted by Leon Haller on Fri, 03 May 2013 18:02 | # GW, I can’t recall your making predictions. Here’s a chance. 1. Will England be majority white in 2050? 2. Will England ever have a nationalist government? 3. Will nonwhite immigration to UK ever be stopped? 4. Will England ever repatriate its aliens (including ones born there)? 5. Will England have a domestic race war, and, if so, in which decade? Just curious. 33
Posted by UKIP Dawn. on Fri, 03 May 2013 18:55 | # There is only one interpretation that can be made from these results - It’s a big, fat, massive overwhelming and popular revolt of the British people against massive, uncontrolled immigration. Think about it. The remarkable result is that ALL of lib, lab and con are losers - and Nigel Farage is the only winner. Nigel Farage is the most important man in contemporary British politics, everyone else is an also-ran. He’s the king-bee, the play-maker, the king-maker, the power-broker. Remarkable for a party that was dismissed as a bunch of cranks a few years ago. The most immediate result will be, in the next few weeks, both lib, lab and con will fall other eaxh other, in a Dutch auction, each trying to out-bid the other in the ‘toughness’ of their new proposed Immigration Act. A referendum on continued British EU memebership, offered by all of liblabcon is now a certainty. Now, where are the REAL dirty bastards, the real authors of this situation, Tony Blair, Jack Straw, Barbara Roche, Andrew Neather and last and most definitely least .ugly faced Jonathan Portes? Today’s result was just a slap in the face against them - delivered 10 years, (and 3 million immigrants), after the fact. 34
Posted by wobbly on Fri, 03 May 2013 23:52 | #
Yes, small country.
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Posted by PM on Sat, 04 May 2013 10:05 | # GW—“Here’s a prediction from a very good DT commenter that next up in the line of horror-events for the mainstream is the demand for freedom of expression. They can’t call us racists and fruitcakes. They have to respect us now. It’s official.”
That in itself is an achievement by UKIP and demonstrates that the Beeb themselves think that this was quite a historic victory. 36
Posted by Bill on Sat, 04 May 2013 11:17 | # @ 35 Yes I noticed that straightaway, they also dropped it when they quoted Cameron’s slur of clowns and closet racists. Yes they get away with such stuff on a daily basis, totally unchallenged. I don’t watch Television much, (I sound like I’m not a racist but…) only lunch time and evening news. I’m now going to contradict myself because I did purposely tuned in to BBC’s News Night and blow me with a few minutes one of their sophists told me that the amount of input of legislation being emailed into London by the EU was around 10-14%. At this point I switched off and went to bed. Farage and UKIP have got to challenge the BBC (meeja) at every turn otherwise their progress will be one hard slog and the media will still be claiming the moral high ground. See @ 13 Changing the discourse. (Should be renamed reclaiming the discourse) Here’s what I would like to see on our Television screens at a UKIP party political broadcast. This video is nearly 20 minutes duration, but as it is the weekend you have no excuse for not watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8uBxgoLl-s&list=PLEE41A2B755FB651F&index=2 37
Posted by Bill on Sat, 04 May 2013 12:16 | # @35 & @36 You must be aware at all times that in the world of the liberal you can say and commit any indiscretion you like, but if you’re called out then the gods will descend and pour their wrath upon you, vilify you, dehumanise you, until you beg for forgiveness and say you’re sorry and prostrate yourselff before them. This is why the media and politicians just keep doing what they do. Cameron can lie through his teeth and if he is called out he just shrugs and says I did the right thing, or I swear I will listen next time, or if he calls UKIP clowns and fruitcakes and closet racist and gets called on it he just hands up and says I’m sorry. And hey presto, you are absolved, forgiven, everything is back to normal, it’s a bit like the confessional before the priest. Politicians and the BBC (and liberals in general do it all the time) It’s all to do with this relativism thing where there is no such thing as right and wrong, how can you commit a sin when there is no such thing. Just carry on carrying on, they can’t touch for it. Just keep saying you’re sorry and show much faux contrition. It works every time. All a bit tongue in cheek maybe, but there really is such a thing as right and wrong and guess who says so, yes, it’s the great and the good old liberal when you disagree with him. 38
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 04 May 2013 20:07 | # We could be heading for an early re-play of the UKIP phenomenon:
Evans is openly homosexual and serves as Deputy Speaker. His constituency is Ribble Valley in Lancashire, a very safe Tory seat but also one where UKIP have a base to work from, having managed to attract 6.7% of the vote at the 2010 GE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/constituency/d68.stm
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Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 04 May 2013 23:10 | # Thanks Bill. Leon wants a prediction or two, so here we go: Evans will be committed to trial, but the process will have been a drawn-out one with the CPS coming under criticism from Stonewall for its tardiness. He doesn’t resign until the jury brings in a guilty verdict. Political feet will be dragged too - nobody wants to rush into a by-election at the moment. The holiday season will arrive. A by-election will be called, finally, for September 12th, just two days before the start of the Conference season. The results are as follows:
The disappointment of such a near miss for UKIP is the prime talking point of the media (they’ve given up talking about what the Conservatives have to do to win back supporters). The UKIP hierarchy is indeed forced to reflect upon how far the protest vote can really take the party. Had it been a by-election in a marginal seat in the south, the wisdom goes, they would have had their first Westminster MP. But the Labour vote in Ribble Valley held up, and it is clear that UKIP must address that. Somehow. Beyond that all is opaque! 41
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 05 May 2013 01:22 | # GW, I’m interested in predictions re the big stuff. I have no idea who Evans is, where exactly Lancashire is, etc. 42
Posted by Bill on Sun, 05 May 2013 08:40 | # A by product of our time (liberal hegemony) is that nobody ‘gets it’ anymore. Just look at Norman Tebbit, (I could go on about Tebbit at length) he, IMO doesn’t get it either, his solution to the UKIP - Cameron problem is for Cameron to adopt some of UKIP’s policies. As I commented elsewhere, it’s gone way past that. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. The elite at the top don’t get it either, especially those at the Westminster level for they are still dealing in old money, they think it is all about politics when in fact it is all about culture. They think that by tinkering and fine tuning policies they can continue down the yellow brick road fooling the people all of the time. Granted, it’s worked up until now, but now with the emergence of UKIP things are rapidly changing. For many reasons, Cameron and Co can only think (and only re-act) the way they do because there is no alternative, they have signed into a one way system that is liberal hegemony. It’s not about politics anymore it’s about culture. Cameron & Co cannot alter a thousand years of British history in the blink of an eye and that is why Farage has got liberalism between a rock and a hard place. Cameron is not allowed to think outside of the liberal box, Farage (I hope) can. Farage is thinking like we nationalists all are, because we know no other, in fact we nationalists cannot conceive of any other existence than what we are and what has been. In short, the establishment can tweak and fine tune and kick the tyres of party politics all they like, but they won’t shift Farage for Farage is not like them, he is in tune with British people and their culture. The British people hate cultural Marxism and its political correctness, forced homosexuality, being swamped by aliens, in fact they hate the whole bloody Liberal ball of wax. They’ve had it their noses rubbed in it for too long and they can now sense a way out. The British people sense they now have champion. Cameron cannot reject post modern liberalism, Farage can and does. He instinctively knows the overwhelming majority of British people hate and detest what is happening around them, they see in Farage for the first time a politician who is offering hope. And that is why Tebbit does’nt and never will - get it! Britain’s culture war is not lost, with the emergence of Farage it is only just beginning. Aside. Tebbit part of the solution? What a joke! He’s the Ted Kennedy of the conservative party, how many years was he padding the corridors of Westminster in Thatcher’s cabinet? It’s people like Tebbit who are the problem. Which all goes to show there is a compelling case for restricting politicians to two terms only, otherwise some can have a jobs for life and become part of the club. 43
Posted by Morgoth on Sun, 05 May 2013 10:30 | # This may be of interest, Farage has said in an Email : ‘‘I agree with you. however, about the ‘‘greenback pound’‘. It may not be politic to say it now, but the problem of debt based currency, controlled by international bankers, will have to be faced by a UKIP government, and resolved by nationalisation of the Bank of England.’‘ Its worth noting that Brian Gerrish is good bloke and was banging on about ‘‘common purpose’’ years before it hit the headlines. 44
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 05 May 2013 10:50 | # What exactly is meant by “nationalisation of the Bank of England”? Also, I read some place that (reducing/stopping) immigration now has the most support from the British people of any issue - I think I saw 70+% in favor. Does this sound true? 45
Posted by Bill on Sun, 05 May 2013 10:51 | # Over at the Daily Bell By Anthony Wile - Big news. Nigel Farage and His UKIP Party Win Big in Britain Once More. A lengthy look at Farage and UKIP comparing notes with America’s Tea Party. Anthony While castes Farage in the same mould as Rand Paul. Wile comes up with this sentence.
Anybody care to translate for me. Well worth a week-end read.
p://www.thedailybell.com/30640/Anthony-Wile-Nigel-Farage-and-His-UKIP-Party-Win-Big-in-Britain-Once-More 46
Posted by Bill on Sun, 05 May 2013 11:03 | # On hearing the politicos on all sides here in Britain, they all seem so sure that economics will trump all else, leaving such things as immigration, the EU, or housing crisis whatever in their wake. Am I alone in thinking this just may not be true anymore. 47
Posted by Ex-ProWhiteActivist on Sun, 05 May 2013 14:44 | # GW, What are the best case scenarios you see for UKIP: a) Obtaining any share of power? and b) actually enacting any part of their agenda? From my perspective… It took the Labor Party twenty years to displace the Liberals (now Liberal Democrats) as the primary alternative to the Conservative Party. And it took another fifteen years after that before Labor obtained their first real parliamentary majority in 1945. The first two Labor governments (1923-1924, 1929-1931) were based on unstable pluralities in Parliament. These two Labor governments only lasted until Conservatives and Liberals reached agreement on when to turn them out. And useful historical note, the second minority Labor government collapsed in 1931 during a currency and economic crisis. They didn’t obtain an outright majority until 1945. And that was only after 5 years of Winston Churchill’s pro-Zionist & Big Government Neocon ‘National Government’ regime preparing the way for them. iow forming a major party is the work of a generation. In the 20th Century the United Kingdom had exactly one full three-way election in 1929. i.e. Three big parties - Conservatives, Liberal and Labor - each had more than 500 candidates standing for Parliament and were each aiming at obtaining a Parliamentary majority. The rest of the time politics centered on a two party system with a smaller third party playing spoiler (Labor before 1923, Liberals thereafter). We are everywhere of course in a new situation thanks to immigration and diversity. The Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition is fairly rare in UK history itself. The previous Coalition (Conservatives & Lloyd George Liberals) died in 1922. c) Aren’t you assuming that UKIP will be able to obtain a Parliamentary majority at some point and enact its program? What if the altered conditions of population “diversity” produce a parallel condition in politics and NO ONE ever gains an outright majority again? Won’t more coalitions of Labor, Liberal Democrats and Conservative splinter groups be able to forestall UKIP long enough to make its program irrelevant? d) What if Labor, Liberal Democrats and Conservatives declare an Emergency (say over lack of fuel and power concurrent with a currency crisis) and form another National Government to Save The Nation? Your deep state has repetitively done this in the past to frustrate real democracy. Why won’t they resort to this proven trick again? 48
Posted by wobbly on Sun, 05 May 2013 19:52 | # EPWA Ukip is in the early stages of an alliance between native working class and non-globalist native middle class. As such it has a very large potential natural constituency. It’s basically where the GOP would be in the states if they wanted to win i.e. trading four points of globalists for eight points of bluecollar, except in the UK that alliance is bigger because the UK reached this crunch point sooner (because it’s a smaller country and thus harder for the media to hide things). Ukip’s potential natural constituency being so large is what creates the possibility of very rapid change even including the slight possibility of actually winning an election outright.
That’s the key. Ukip aren’t a nationalist party so TPTB might actually see them as a way of defusing the demographic crisis by creating a compromise that slows down extinction but doesn’t stop it. Or they might go all out to destroy them. I’m assuming they’ll be co-opted or destroyed eventually but the rapidity of the rise might be such they can get a few things done beforehand. Just pulling the UK out of the EU would shake things up a lot and throw a wrench in the NWO.
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Posted by Dasein on Sun, 05 May 2013 20:36 | # GW was always rather cool about the BNP, which I remember annoyed some of the regulars. Turned out he was right, so let’s hope his instincts are also good wrt UKIP. Still, I can’t help but think of the following: (starts at :18) 50
Posted by Guessedworker on Sun, 05 May 2013 21:58 | # EPWA, I will put up a post explaining how I think things can go. In fact, I will lay-out the four possible futures that present themselves. It won’t be a detailed exposition, but it will, I hope, cover all the bases. Welcome back, Das. Trust all is well. 51
Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 06 May 2013 09:59 | # Thought this would be of interest to the MR community:
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Posted by Leon Haller on Mon, 06 May 2013 10:00 | # cntd:
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Posted by Mick Lately on Mon, 06 May 2013 10:20 | # Things like the following can only help to convince people to vote UKIP: 54
Posted by Bill on Mon, 06 May 2013 11:42 | # Our elites never pass up the chance to remind or confirm that Britain is now an established multicultural society/nation. I refrain from adding - so get used to it Cruddas is the star in the labour think tank firmament, he and Glasman came up with what they saw as a winner in Blue Labour, but when released in a fanfare of trumpets it was immediately tasered by you know who. Glasman was sentenced to the leper colony to show contrition. What was the problem with Blue labour? Blue labour was to garner votes from the millions of innate labour (c)conservatives, yes, those that were thrown under the bus by Tony Blair. Trouble was, immigration was to be curbed as part of the plan. No-way Jose. It’s interesting to note Farage’s UKIP is capturing thousands of those votes. Hey-ho! So it was back to the drawing board. Blue Labour being DOA is to replaced by something called One Nation and is to be rolled out in preparation for 2015. I started this comment by saying how our elites never fail to tell us that Britain is now officially a multicultural state so get used to it. All of which leads me to ask to whom are our politicians addressing or inviting to join this mythical One Nation? From the start, our elites preferred that the 100’s of communities arriving in Britain were to remain separate communities, ie not to integrate with the host nation. To assimilate the myriad of communities into Britain’s culture would be a no brainer, on the contrary, the intention was for the newcomers to destroy the Britain’s culture not meld into it. So how is One Nation to be achieved? Good question, I haven’t clue, Ive not caught up with it all yet. Perhaps we whites are not even in the equation. Oh what a tangled web we weave. 55
Posted by DanielS on Mon, 06 May 2013 13:05 | # From the start, our elites preferred that the 100’s of communities arriving in Britain were to remain separate communities, ie not to integrate with the host nation. To assimilate the myriad of communities into Britain’s culture would be a no brainer, on the contrary, the intention was for the newcomers to destroy the Britain’s culture not meld into it. Would you really want to assimilate them into British culture? I would think that so long as they interlope in any appreciable number and difference from the natives it is better to encourage them to retain their freakishly different cultures and languages. 56
Posted by Bill on Mon, 06 May 2013 18:58 | # Labour’s ‘One Nation’ @ 54. I openly confessed I had not kept an eye on what One Nation was all about, but having had a quick glance I cannot see anything that will upset Farage and his UKIP’s clarion call ‘We want our country back’.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/inside-milibands-one-nation-project ‘One Nation’ is to hit the ground running (how I love these phrases) for the 2015 election, personally I’ll be surprised even if it makes it at all, Miliband, Crudas et al are tyre kicking, after all, ‘One Nation’ doesn’t have the same ring to it as Farages - We want our country back - does it? Aside. I think I have genuine claim to the plaintiff cry ‘We want our country back’ I used it way back when, when commenting on the BNP threads. I cannot recall seeing or hearing it before I used it. 57
Posted by Bill on Mon, 06 May 2013 20:48 | # GW. Nigel Farage Something has been niggling away for weeks now. The Nigel Farage surge, where’s it come from? Here’s someone else asking the same question, George Parker, Financial Times March 8th, 2013. I was using copy and paste for a taster flavour when I got a polite request not to do so, it said use the link provided. Anyway, having read this piece I’m not completely sold on the reason for Farage’s rocket trajectory, but it’s as good as any I have read so far. I expect you’ve seen any way. No sweat. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/19e91cfe-86bd-11e2-b907-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2SXoIQ3Ty Does George get it? Hmm! 58
Posted by wobbly on Mon, 06 May 2013 22:15 | #
They’re such filthy liars. White flight aka ethnic cleansing is what happened. 59
Posted by Bill on Tue, 07 May 2013 11:32 | # It beggars belief that the political establishment is traumatised by Farage’s meteoric rise. Do they live on another planet? Anyone with eyes could see that all that was wanted (for decades) is for someone to rise up from the masses and call out the king is naked. Admitted, that special someone could not be just anyone, but must be someone who in the eyes of most reasonable folk is recognised as one of them and has a clear message of resistance to the status quo. I can well remember at the beginning yelling at the top of my blog voice why not tell it as it is, what have we got to lose? And that’s exactly why Farage has catapulted to the forefront of British politics, by crashing through the politically correct roadblock. Griffin for whatever reason, could/would never do this, other than bang on about Muslims he said nothing of real substance, which resulted in more than a decade of total waste. What a difference a decade and a Farage makes. Is it really happening or is it a dream? The political elites have created a totalitarian monster we’ve all come to know as political correctness. Political correctness is a total anathema to the British way of life and is detested by any right thinking person. Funny thing is, this monster political correctness is devouring it’s creators, for the the elites themselves are trapped in the maze of their own dogma and cannot escape. So when they say Cameron should slew to the right they are whistling in the wind for he is paralysed in the headlights of the all prevailing nostrums of liberal hegemony. The establishment have never been confronted by anyone telling like it is, not never. Since Blair started to implement all of this nonsense on to the British stage, I’ve said on more than one occasion that when push comes to shove, we may find ourselves pushing on an open door. The elites cannot possibly defend or explain to their people their anti white treachery and they never will. Between now and 2015, (EU elections and Britain’s own General Election) will be a period of dramatic political significance. Anything could happen. 60
Posted by Bill on Tue, 07 May 2013 11:46 | # Todays Telegraph comment. 7/5/2013 What do you think of this disingenuous crap? Words fail me! Mass immigration has left an alarming legacy 61
Posted by Bill on Tue, 07 May 2013 12:15 | # I suspect the elites (Telegraph comment) feel immigration isn’t going smoothly because there are still too many areas that are hideously white. What to do? Whatever next? Forced integration is what comes next. And after forced integration? Ah! Use your imagination. If they get their way unhindered…. we ain’t seen nothing yet. 62
Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 07 May 2013 12:44 | # My God! Read the words of a true Scottish race traitor!!
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Posted by wibble on Tue, 07 May 2013 23:45 | #
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Posted by Bill on Wed, 08 May 2013 08:59 | # Guardian today 8/5/2013. Queen’s speech to feature new curbs on migrants from EU
Subliminally bringing the queen’s name into the mind of millions of loyal subjects could prove interesting. I suspect that in this case it is being use to shore up the belief that at last something is to be done about immigration. Is this latest ploy the establishments (inevitable) last throw of the dice in an effort to gain valuable breathing space to counter Farage’s devastating offensive? The elite’s changing face of Britain juggernaut is not to be delayed at any price. The thrust by the PTB is still vesting confidence in the emphasis being maintained on exclusively EU immigration, third world immigration is a no go area for Cameron as his loyalties are to the New World Order. As I say elsewhere on this thread, they are being hoisted by their own petard. The ultimate test will be, has Farage the gonads to wander where others fear to tread. I well remember eons ago posting on the BBC threads that the time will come when there will only be one conversation taking place in Britain and that will be Immigration!- Immigration! - Immigration! (This was at the time of Blair’s mantra - Education-Education-Education.) If I remember rightly the BBC reply was something like, there’s nothing to be concerned about immigration. (Calm down dear - being the tone.) What about Nigel Lawson riding to Farage’s rescue? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hey! 65
Posted by The Ghost of UKIP past. on Wed, 08 May 2013 13:01 | # The lefties at the guardian really have got their knickers in a twist over the Brit proles reluctance to roll over and let themselves be race replaced. (“The people have failed us - let’s elect a new people.”). 66
Posted by wobbly on Wed, 08 May 2013 18:46 | # Bill
By always running behind the public mood it looks like the’re being forced in it, which they are of course, so it magnifies the fact that they’re either a) disconnected or b) not on the public’s side. To have an effect they’d need to run ahead of the public. 67
Posted by Bill on Wed, 08 May 2013 20:19 | # @66 Elsewhere I used the term phoney war, inasmuch nothing was really happening on the discourse front which our media elites have maintained its firm grasp from the beginning - Zero tolerance to the right. It is the biggest mystery ever, that out of a population of 60 million people not one has emerged to challenge the media elite. Griffin I suppose could be feted as the anti immigration David, but his handling of the BNP to its current malaise negates all of his earlier work. It will be interesting to see how history judges Nick Griffin. In a nutshell, we all know that there has been no debate whatever about concern over immigration, the media has been ruthless in maintaining its iron grip control on the immigration discourse. You have to hand it to the BBC they really have wiped the floor with us. So what has so dramatically changed the fortune of the battered white British? A change that has occurred in the twinkling of an eye and like the economic tsunami, nobody saw it coming. The same old experts didn’t see it coming, I certainly didn’t see it coming and I doubt whether Nigel Farage saw it coming. So what was this weapon of mass destruction that Farage threw into the arena? Simple, it was the simplest device imaginable, he told the truth to the British people. Today’s BBC News is truly indicative as to how traumatised the political elite is, it’s as I commented above, it must be serious as they’ve even had to get the Queen on the job. Farage claims the genie is out of the bottle - let battle commence. There is little doubt the phoney war is over and the struggle is entering a new phase. For the first time, the battle for possession of the immigration discourse is up for grabs, The initiative is with Farage. Will he seize the moment and take no prisoners? 68
Posted by Bill on Wed, 08 May 2013 21:24 | # Today’s Telegraph 88/5/2013. Just up - no comments yet Emergency care in crisis admits NHS regulator
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Posted by wobbly on Wed, 08 May 2013 22:17 | #
Disagree on that. I think they helped lay the groundwork. I also think BNP people should stay in contact with each other as much as possible and be ready to start again if TPTB manage to put Ukip down as Ukip will have laid more groundwork in the interim. 70
Posted by Bill on Sat, 11 May 2013 07:46 | # It’s been a hectic merry-go-round of media exposure for Nigel Farage after the astonishing local election performance by UKIP earlier in this month. Invitations for interviews have poured in from all levels of media and has been interesting to see how he has fared. From what I have seen (not much really) it looks to me the media have given him an easy time, almost bordering on soft ball jocularity. (Pint in hand accompanied by his trademark donkey guffaw.) He’s kept pretty well to the script so far, his main bullet points are. Leave the EU. Concern (reduce/limit/stop?) EU immigration. Romania Bulgaria soon to be eligible for access to Britain’s welfare goodies. Concern over thousands of wind turbines blighting the British countryside. (Tilting at windmills ) Lastly, his goal to sweep away the existing cosy axis of consensus that is the Westminster bubble. Summary He’s gotten away lightly with these non PC soundbites so far, but soon the honeymoon will be over, you can hear the knives already being sharpened with intense scrutiny. Verdict, not a lot to see thus far. Depends how how much longer the phoney war. Here’s a sample from a telegraph podcast 9/5/2013, which in my opinion amply illustrates the elite just don’t get it mantra. (Or maybe just don’t care) The above podcast appears in two different articles. 71
Posted by Bill on Sat, 11 May 2013 22:22 | # No party can truly speak for everyone Janet Daley Telegraph 11/52013 Now here’s something I’ve been thinking about for sometime, and that is, can democracy work within a ruling liberal hegemony? I’ve asked elsewhere here who is the government addressing (say an election manifesto) in a multiracial Britain? How can a government rule in a society that has over a hundred or more diverse communities? Britain has an indigenous population of something like 60 million people (plus say) an additional exploding population (of say) 5 million (who knows and is anybody counting?) of separate alien communities from literally the world over. Liberalism has elevated the status of this 5 million alien minority over and above that of the indigenous 60 million host majority, how the heck can democracy work when the minority (victim) groups are seen to be an elevated group over the majority by positive discrimination. Add to that liberalism has atomised society to the point where everyone can pursue their innermost desires and you find you have an impossible situation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10050593/No-party-can-truly-speak-for-everyone.html 72
Posted by Bill on Mon, 13 May 2013 21:51 | # The UKIP phenomena keeps rolling on. Trawling through this Sunday morning’s output of establishment’s elitist sophist facilitators, there’s a definite whiff of the yellow stuff, they’re blurting out loud and shrill, Britain’s political momentum is slewing to the right. And what gladdens the heart is, there’s nothing they can do about it and they know it. They’ve been called out and found wanting. Having spent an unusual few days skimming through the Guardian threads the whiff of the yellow stuff is pungent, I’ve not sensed such pessimism since my beginnings here. The Guardian commentator’s scale has fallen, their dreams are disintegrating before them. Finally they get it. This last week for me has been a breathtakingly delicious moment, to see the elite’s facilitating scribe’s efforts to stem the tide of opinion, and is becoming more hopeless as each day passes. The speed at which this has happened is, and I use the word again, breathtaking. I attribute this scene of Britain’s emerging political transformation solely due to the efforts of one man and his politically incorrect truthful message to the incumbent elites. Nigel Farage of the UKIP party. It is eye watering mirth to witness the scribe’s gymnastic cantortions as they twist and turn on the tightrope of political correctness, all being hoisted by their own liberal petard. There’s no doubt about it, these chronicling gymnasts, along with their political cronies are clones of one another, all having imbibed the kool-aid on their journey along the yellow brick road of liberalism. In future times it might be said, the Spring of 2013 was a pivotal moment in British politics. As always, time will tell Update. Today is Monday 13/5/2013, (one day after my comment above) I’ve just come away from the Guardian comments and the UKIP surge has accelerated further, even in the intervening hours of yesterday’s comment (which I didn’t post.) The Guardian and the British press is awash with Farage, Ukip, the EU and immigration, for a latest poll suggests UKIP are surging ahead and are now in touch with main parties. There is a sense of a sea change taking place before our eyes, the pent up dam of frustration (and anger) for all these years is spewing out, the dam has cracked. Events are moving so quickly it is difficult to keep up. 73
Posted by ukn_leo on Mon, 13 May 2013 22:28 | # Steady on Bill, you’ll do yourself a mischief! Agree with your assessment. I have this clip for you which perhaps highlights the future Lib/Lefty strategy - the economic argument (only) for mass immigration continuing. They are now down to - ‘mass immigration is good, because it just isn’t so bad’. Should make for an interesting election slogan! 74
Posted by Bill on Tue, 14 May 2013 07:13 | # Mail 14/5/2013
Former minister admits Labour deliberately engineered mass immigration. Between 1997 and 2010 net migration to Britain totalled 2.2million. He said there was ‘a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural’.
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Posted by ukn_leo on Tue, 14 May 2013 22:16 | # UKIP campaigner been added to the Telegraph politics team (I think). 77
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 14 May 2013 23:08 | # Yes, Leo. One Michael Heaver. I welcomed him thus: 78
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Posted by Bill on Wed, 15 May 2013 08:56 | #
I think this sentence says it all…‘For these people…..’ What sort of people does he think we are? He doesn’t say. To Mandleson and the rest of the architects, they think the first phase is now complete, just let nature takes its course (and with a little help from your friends) the rest will be all plain sailing. The hubris and assuredness with which these people have displayed throughout our dispossession really beggars belief, how did they know we would just stand to one side staring like baleful cattle? Where were the experiments carried out? GW, I see you’re still doing your bit (along with golgoroth and Dan) how do you think the DT’s threads are evolving awareness wise? It seems to me there are still too many (far too many) who really haven’t grasped the fundamentals of mass immigration, and these are the cognoscente. What do you think of the Farage (UKIP) so far? 80
Posted by Bill on Wed, 15 May 2013 10:13 | # Naive questions maybe? The more I think about the welfare state of Britain (and what a state it’s in) I come round to thinking it was deliberately conceived and constructed to to facilitate the race extinction policy we’re experiencing right now. In addition. At the the time of the huge expansion of local BBC radio was rolled out (1960’s onward) to every corner of the country, thus reaching into every town, city and hamlet in the land I casually wondered why would they want to do that? It seems nobody was to remain outside the influence of the BBC’s (media) evil agenda of spearheading the brainwashing extinction of the white British. Now for something else LOL. Within seconds of the opening of yesterday’s BBC news the microphone was thrust in the face of one Ken Clarke, a long standing floating turd (think Ted Kennedy) in the Conservative party. Clarke is a rabid supporter of the EU and immediately launched into a red faced tirade against UKIP and its supporters, by which conclusion left no doubt in the minds of the viewers. I pointed out to my other half that the BBC will not produce anyone to counter this blatant vitriol against UKIP and guess what? I was right, the screen cut to elsewhere and Clarke went away smiling. Bastards. 81
Posted by J Richards on Thu, 16 May 2013 01:51 | # @Bill I don’t wish to dampen the mood, but reality calls. UKIP appears to be kosher: http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2013/05/12/what-ukip-stands-for-a-look/
Roughly correct. Who conceived it? Not Labor or other political parties running for election. It’s been orchestrated by people behind the scenes, using organizations most have never heard of: http://www.searchlight.org.uk/ross/ I think you can figure out the odds that a kosher political party will successfully reduce immigration. Notice that some people here urge us to strongly focus on the immigration problem but at the same time make excuses for the underlying major cause or try to deflect attention from it. Reflect on what this means and improve your critical thinking skills. 82
Posted by Graham_Lister on Thu, 16 May 2013 18:54 | # Nigel Farage flees barrage of abuse from Edinburgh protesters http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/16/nigel-farage-edinburgh-protesters-van . . . some were independence campaigners there to remind him of his nationality: after one, standing just a few feet from Farage, invited the Ukip leader to “shove your union jack up your arse”, a flustered Farage said: “Clearly this is anti-British, anti-English. They even hate the union jack.” Farage had originally arrived at the Canon Gait in buoyant mood, planning for his long-denied breakthrough into Scottish politics. Compared to the near 25% support in the English local elections, the highest his party has ever polled in Scotland was 5.2% in the 2009 European elections; in many others, Ukip support rests at under 1%. The latest Ipsos Mori opinion poll, published in early May, found just two Scots out of 1,001 would vote Ukip. ——- Is it terribly wrong to be amused by such scenes? All the pro-independence campaign needs is for Nigel Farage, Gideon Osborne, Bo Jo, call me ‘Dave’ Cameron and Gordon Brown to be the ‘faces of the Union’ and the right result will be in the bag. Such people really don’t understand why and how they are quite loathsome to the Scottish sensibility. 83
Posted by Leon Haller on Thu, 16 May 2013 21:26 | # Ha ha! The ‘intrepid’ Scotsmen know that UKIP might be “Britain First” wrt the hated EU, but that eventually it will also be the nucleus for “England First” - and there go all the nice socialist subsidies. The more I read about British politics the more convinced I am that Scotland Must Go. 84
Posted by Bill on Fri, 17 May 2013 09:43 | # Guardian 17/5/2013 Labour’s One Nation in a globalised multicultural Britain. [str
This article, as do all other such articles describing Britain’s going forward in the 21st century, just doesn’t add up. Who are they talking to? We’re living in a crazy world.
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Posted by Bill on Fri, 17 May 2013 11:09 | # Telegraph 17/5/2013 Farage slammed up against the wall in Scotland. (not really but nearly) A sign of things to come. Nigel Farage condemns ‘fascist scum’ who forced him to take refuge in Edinburgh pub These people will stop at nothing. They’re government backed. 86
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Posted by ukn_leo on Sat, 18 May 2013 00:44 | # This man should be tried for treason, shouldn’t he? And why were reader comments unavailable? And why doesn’t Cameron use this admission as fodder to start rallying the country against any further immigration? ~ Leon_Haller There are people actively pursuing the treason line Leon, can try and find links if you are interested. I have seen a strong rebuttal of those attempts suggesting that they will in no way be possible, let alone successful. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10065307/PMs-ally-our-party-activists-are-loons.html Have a quick look at that link. ‘Grassroots Conservative activists are “mad swivel-eyed loons” who are forcing Tory MPs to take extremist positions opposing gay marriage and Europe, one of David Cameron’s closest allies has said.’ Cameron thinks that opposing gay marriage, just as one example, is an extremist position. This is the leader of the Conservative Party. He is one of ‘them’. He will do nothing in regards to immigration. ...... Scotland - on some levels England and Scotland are now rowing in different directions. The boat, the oars and the lake are all owned by the globalists and therein lies the real problem. 88
Posted by ukn_leo on Sat, 18 May 2013 02:08 | # Some more Cameron for you Leon. “Asian families and communities are incredibly strong and cohesive, and have a sense of civic responsibility which puts the rest of us to shame. Not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around” ~ David Cameron He must have forgotten about the Honour killings, forced marriages, Shariah Law, female genital mutilation, grooming/rape gangs and terrorism. ...... David William Donald Cameron. Cameron studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree. He then joined the Conservative Research Department and became Special Adviser to Norman Lamont (oy vey!), and then to Michael Howard (oy vey!). His father was born at Blairmore House, a country house near Huntly, Aberdeenshire,. He is eighth cousin of Donald Cameron, the present Chief of Clan Cameron (och aye!). Through his paternal grandmother, Enid Agnes Maud Levita, Cameron is a lineal descendant of King William IV by his mistress Dorothea Jordan. David Cameron’s great-great-grandfather Emile Levita, a German Jewish financier…Cameron’s great-great-grandmother, was a descendant of the wealthy Danish Jewish Rée family on her father’s side (oy vey!). 89
Posted by Leon Haller on Sat, 18 May 2013 05:30 | # ukleo, Any way you look at it, Cameron is a disgrace. Clearly he is one of them (several despicable ‘thems’, apparently). ‘Nuff said. Of course there will be no treason charges laid against Blair. There would have to be a nationalist revolution and violent civil war first. The Old Order would, in other words, have to be utterly toppled, because Blair, I would imagine, though guilty of moral treason, undoubtedly did what he did under cover of legitimate law. Thus, lawful UK courts would not have grounds to convict him. But the meme - “Blair should be tried for treason” - ought to get spread around as widely as possible. Just because he won’t go to trial doesn’t mean ordinary blokes can’t shout “TRAITOR!” at him, or spit at him or give him the finger every chance they get. Traitors should feel cold-shouldered and hated wherever they go. 90
Posted by Bill on Sat, 18 May 2013 10:39 | # The great deception. Today, political Britain is crumbling as the law of inevitability claimed it would. As with with immigration some years ago, inevitability forecast mass immigration would become of paramount concern to our people to the exclusion of all else. Some may claim we’re not quite there yet, but it’s only round the corner. In order for the global elites to maintain its totalitarian grip on the common herd its three main indispensable props are:- Money, the creation and issuance of. Media in all its guises, radio, television, Hollywood, periodicles and newspapers etc. Politics. The illusion of. It is this illusion of politics which I wish to address here. The New Labour deception. With the arrival of Blair’s New Labour in 1997, un-beknown to the British public the mould of British politics had been broken almost beyond recognition. Old Labour was out and had been rebranded New Labour. Not many people knew the esoteric nature of what New Labour was all about, little did the public know New Labour was about to morph into a euphemism for social Liberalism, and even if they had known, I doubt many would know what it was all about, but perhaps it was Blair’s ditching of clause VI…...that gave them the first clue. “To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.” Blair lost no time in revealing the nature of his new politics as immigration was ramped up to new insane levels, anti hate legislation, loss of civil rights, anti terrorism alarmism and many other traits which have become a way of life, the most obvious being totalitarian political correctness, which we all naively thought at first hilarious. Blair’s New politics revealed itself to be an amalgam of Thatcherite neoliberal economics interwoven with something we later learned to be known as Cultural Marxism. In essence, the long held socialist dream of overturning Western society was to be invested in a cultural invertion of the whole system, the main weapon to be used was to be the race replacement of the host nations of the peoples of Britain (and Europe.) by non white immigration. By 2010 and much incalculable damage later to to the nature of the British nation, the people had at last suspected that there was something rotten in the state of Britain and lost no time in booting out the New Labour project, only to vote in an equally corrupt force still calling itself Conservative. The election was a close run thing so an unholy alliance with the Liberals bolstered the illusion of participation of choice in the affairs of the nation. It was about at this time, after many years absence, I began a renewed interest in politics. WTF is going on here? I asked myself. Meet Mr David Cameron. Like most politicians I suspect, Cameron was hand picked long before he became the leader of the Conservative party and subsequently Blair’s successor, that much is almost proven. Cameron became leader of the Conservative party in the year 2005, supposedly by bewitching the assembled good with an unscripted belting speech, Dave for prime minister. By this time I was on the case, if Cameron was a conservative then I was a Dutchman as they say. This man Cameron was an obvious fraud, anybody could see that (if only.) As time progressed it became more obvious that this man was a fake, not only a fake but a traitor to his nation’s people. How could this be? At this time I railed against Cameron in the DT threads at every opportunity, Cameron was a Quizling at the beating heart of Britain, for how long could this state of affairs continue? Well, here we are in 2013 and Cameron has at last been sussed by a non too bright people. As I hover over the keyboard, Cameron’s conservatives are in deep doo-doo, his house of cards is tottering. There are many dissenters in his party who see the gravy train pulling out without them, to cap it all Nigel Farage’s UKIP express is pulling into the adjacent platform. I foretold several years ago that then newly elected Cameron would not last the course, I opined 21/2 years and he would be gone. But here we are and he’s still in the driving seat, allbeit for not for much longer I hope! I also opined back then with Cameron and his brand of Conservatism gone, Britain would be in uncharted waters, that time is approaching fast. Along with immigration another of the elite’s major props has been sussed, the illusionary scam that is western politics has been rumbled, people like Cameron must not be allowed to get away with their treachery and must, along with the system, be got rid off. With Conservatism gone what will replace it as an illusion of choice, or will the people reject the whole system and accept the globalists offer of a New World Order? It’s impossible to say when it’s all going to blow, as always, time will tell. 91
Posted by Bill on Sat, 18 May 2013 13:39 | # The baptism of fire on the streets of Ediburgh came as an unwelcome surprise and shook Farage badly. The richter scale of Farage’s duffing up by Salmond’s brownshirts was shocking. Farage must be wondering what he has got himself into, these people aren’t the easy targets of the Brussels assembly. His promise of not succumbing to the dictates of political correctness was oddly turned on its head by he himself countering the SNP’s brownshirts taunts with accusation of racism. There’s a great test coming Farage’s way sooner than I expected, a test which will tell the cognoscenti if he’s up to it or not. Nobody would blame him if Farage had second thoughts and walked away, christ, those morons would scare the crap out of anybody, no wonder Griffin employed a bunch of strong arm bodyguards. The Edinburgh incident is a game changer, Farage ain’t no Nick Griffin, but that won’t stop the BBC from trying to make it so. Farage will be viewed in a different light to Griffin for obvious reasons, for Farage is one of them. It’s already proven that for the establishment to go for the jugular of the UKIP rank and file is to publicly decare the average British voter is racist and it always backfires. It would be political suicide for the party involved identified as the accuser. Farage hasn’t hinted so far that he will tell it like it is, he seems content to stick with the official UKIP script which is pretty innocuous for saying how brutal the situation is. As regards Ediburgh being a game changer there will be many a mainstream politician wondering if flash mob brownshirts will descend on them. Let us see what protection the police will give them. Interesting times. 92
Posted by ukn_leo on Sat, 18 May 2013 16:48 | # What happened in Edinburgh could happen anywhere in the UK Bill, minus the Scottish independence element. Watch this clip of the March For England in Brighton a few weeks ago. In essence, just a couple of hundred folk looking to celebrate England’s patron saints day in an English city. Attacked by swarms of UAF/SWP thugs, with sometimes the victims being arrested whilst the UAF run off. David Cameron is a founding co-signatory of UAF. Yet if Farage employs bodyguards he will be accused of being surrounded by thugs/hooligans/brownshirts/his own private army. Proof he is a racist naziwhowantstokill6millionJews. Individually these lefty soap-dodgers are nothing, not scary or intimidating in the slightest. I am 6’3”, built like a brick ****house - I would happily volunteer to help guard Farage (Kosher Farage - he’s on his own really, I couldn’t care less) but I am an English nationalist, an extremist. Not welcome within UKIP’s saintly operation. 93
Posted by Leon Haller on Sun, 19 May 2013 02:08 | # Those UAF/SWP thugs need to be photographed and eventually exterminated. When will the average Englishman come to understand that civil war is coming to Britain (and France, and much else of Europe; North America is too far gone)? I really have to laugh at “nationalists” who think that there is any value on the Left, or that there should be a “reaching out” to the Left. The Left is evil and violent. It must be resisted at all times, but always with the final understanding that these are traitors/criminals of the very worst kind, and that someday they must be exterminated, either randomly in wartime, or systematically, after nationalist victory has been obtained. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can there be any type of general amnesty for these criminals. They are the products of defective genetics, no redemption or rehabilitation is therefore possible, and the genomes they embody must be wiped out if the West is to live. I say this as a Christian, btw. 94
Posted by Graham_Lister on Sun, 19 May 2013 14:59 | # Mr. Haller should write up his findings for ‘Nature’ or ‘Science’ – he’s found direct evidence for Socialist Worker Party alleles apparently – a first for modern science! And I think Mr. Haller is somewhat outside mainstream Christian thought on his views. Call me a theological illiterate. Onto much more serious matters it seems we could be witnessing the slow (or not-so slow) death of the Tory party. And that would be a very good thing indeed. Why? The UK wide electoral system based on ‘first past the post’ (FPTP) structurally only allows for two main parties to have a serious chance of forming a government. Historically, we have previously seen the death of the Liberal party – replaced by Labour over the course of the post WW1 decades (1920/30s). In Scotland the Tories have been dead for quite a long time (since that women in the 1980s) and have been replaced by the SNP (thus within Scotland the two main political parties are the SNP and Labour). So from an objective point of view in order for an new alternative party of power (or possible power) to arise one of the two ‘main parties’ has to be killed. The structural features of the UK system sets up that such a constraint exists. Labour was near to be fatally wounded in the 1980s in such a way by the Social Democratic Party (the SDP) which was formed by moderate Labour people. However, for both reasons of luck, inertia in the system, residual loyalty of the base in the Labour heartlands and so on Labour survived its near death experience of the 1980s. I don’t think the Labour party is the vulnerable one, any more, out of the two main parties. As I have commented before political scientists have been examining the ‘dying’ nature of the Tory party, its activists and its base for a number of years (since the 1990s at least) and have found an ever increasing ‘hollow shell’ of a party. An ageing membership, ageing activists; party elites and party members with widely differing values/priorities etc. And the pattern in UK election for the Tories has been thus – an steadily declining share of the vote. Each political ‘upswing’ for the Tories has been consistently lower over the course of a number of political cycles (yes they can still win UK wide elections, but each win is consistently by a smaller and smaller margin) – resulting in the outcome of the last UK general election. Even under the most politically favourable circumstance for a political generation (for the Tories and in turn the worst circumstances for a generation for Labour) the Tories could not win an outright majority. And they could not even reach 40% of the vote. In fact they recorded a share of the popular vote in the mid 30%. And that’s on a good day. The next factor is that disingenuous people at the elite level of the Tory party have been throwing ‘red meat’ to the plebs on Europe and the EU for at 25 years or so. And guess what people now take that red meat very seriously indeed. I don’t believe for a second that the likes of ‘euro-sceptic’ Boris Johnson has a principled bone in his body and all of his anti-EU rhetoric – both as a journalist and as a politician – is for effect. It’s rather like the manager of a football team that constantly blamed the referees for his sides piss-poor performances. It’s a way of deflecting from his teams (and in turn) his own failings. Disingenuous distraction. Now the situation is slightly more complex in that there is a great deal wrong with the present EU arrangements but that there is equally much wrong with the modern Thatcherite Tory party and their vision of things – they are a profoundly anti-English collection of goons and spivs with their ‘no such thing as society’ avaristic ethos; the City of London and its international ‘wealth creators’ as the most ‘Holy of Holies’ for the Tories (the special interest to end all special interests); their love of ‘flexible labour markets’ – code for lower pay and less workers rights (and oh by the way we can import a ‘reserve army of scab labour’ if you don’t like the deal on offer plebs) etc. The Tories as anti-English globalists – yes absolutely they are. The worst insult a Tory can spew out is to call someone a ‘little Englander’ – after all the Tories are the party of Empire – the British Empire – and still want to be a ‘big player’ on the international stage. And if we, the British (code for the English naturally), cannot realistically be masters of the globe via the Empire at least we can ‘masters of the universe’ of finance capital, boast of our lax regulations and ‘attract’ the lions share of the derivatives market etc. Yes Britain used to make things but ‘metal bashing’ is so 19th century and involves disgusting things like having an industrial proletariat – let’s do away with both! Instead let’s embrace spivary and bullshit as key British industries. Thus the pro-actively desired and engineered rise of banking/financial services, commercial legal services, PR/advertising/marketing etc., to prominence within the UK – and particularly in London. And as for for the former industrial proles outside of the ‘Home counties’ (home to whom precisely?) well we can have a ‘consumer led’ service-economy based on people working in shopping malls selling crap, to in turn, buy crap from other people working in shops and so on. Or become a ‘buy to rent’ property speculator for the ambitious. The modern Tory party = estate-agency as a political philosophy. Its not not a shock that the rise to prominence of estate agents, low-level lawyers, ad men and Jews (in general) is a key feature of Thatcher’s Tory party. Very few within the mainstream ever mention this interesting fact about her seemingly shabbis goy status matched to her unimaginative petit-bourgeois philistinism (all the world is but a corner-shop and to be understood via such a lens – a very grubby and low-level Jewish-insipred world-view indeed). Anyway the modern Tory party is deeply uncomfortable with ‘actually existing’ England – in olde Englandshire, ‘pre-British’ England - well here be dragons: of ‘little England’ parochialism and the disaster of ‘irrelevance’ on the ‘international stage’; ‘weirdos’ like Roger Scruton (a genuine and intelligent English conservative and in his own way a deeply communitarian thinker); of people that don’t think what’s good for ‘the City’ is, ipso facto, good for England and her people’s long-term interests; of Durham miners and their trade-union traditions of working-class solidarity and so on. This gang of Hayekian social, cultural, and economic vandals called the ‘Conservative’ party deserves to politically die. But I’m bitter leftist on the wrong side of history etc., what with my quaint beliefs that there is such a thing as society and making money (by any and all means) is not the alpha and omega of a ‘civilisation’. Theodore Dalrymple suggests that England – and he knows the difference between England and the UK – is the most culturally degraded nation in Western Europe. I happen to agree. And the Tories have been at the centre of that project equally, or even more so, than the Labour party. New-Labour was of course the unintended ‘political child’ of Thatcherism. UKIP is perhaps the mechanism for the final destruction of the Tory party – but it is not the destination. After all UKIP’s economic ‘vision’ for the nation is straight out of the works of Charles Dickens. If they could get away with it they would advocate for child labour in order to ‘compete’ with China. That’s where their instincts lie. You don’t believe me? Just go onto You-tube and look for speeches by UKIP figures on economics. One of their chief ‘economic gurus’ happens to be a very senior figure in the ‘Libertarian Alliance’ and similar organisations dedicated to ‘individual freedom’. Libertarian, in this context, means being even more to the liberal Hayekian right, on economics and ‘global markets’ than Thatcher or her party presently are. Even less rights for working people, even more of a regime of ‘market Hobessianism’ - a nation premised on a regime committed to a maximalist ideological enactment of the economic war of all against all etc., everyone ‘out’ for themselves only etc. So be under no illusions UKIP are genuine scum. Hayekian scum. That Scottish nationalists are left-of centre economically might shock Americans or the troglodytes know as WNs but we have read our Adam Smith – all of him not just the bits ‘free-market’ ideologues read and quote – and we know both theoretically and in pragmatic terms that the ‘free-market’ has no respect whatsoever for community, tradition, social-solidarity, or trans-generational politico-moral commitments. Any ‘ethics of place’ has no-place within its calculus. Departure lounge cosmopolitans only care about where the next deal can be done; happy to destroy social-capital, and unleash cultural, social, and physical externalities at a drop of a very profitable hat. Let alone in terms of global capitalism, all of the ‘empty’ ideological space is to the ‘collectivist’ left. The right can only offer even more libertarianism – abolish all public authorities, remove all constraints (economic and cultural) on the individual in the market place, and have a regime of anarcho-capitialism – or it least enough government action to protect the ‘God given’ property rights of plutocrats (naturally one has to be a pragmatic Hayekian – people like Nozick recognised this). All the liberal right can offer on this topic is their piss-poor theological trope of “the market was never free ‘enough’ to work as it ‘should’ in our theories” etc. Realistically that’s not going to be a winning gambit to get Mr. and Mrs. Economically Average or Mr. and Mrs. Economically Below-Average on board anywhere in Western Europe. Nationalism pitched as something mainly for the benefit of the interests of highly individualistic plutocrats and global corporations is very dumb politics indeed. Look the key point is this; UKIP might be a ‘necessary evil’ in order to open up a potential space for something much better to emerge from the rubble. Voting UKIP, in England, should be seen as an act of creative political destruction but nothing more than that. Anyway here’s some interesting takes on what looks like brewing civil-war inside the Tory party. All from the Guardian this Sunday (yes I am a Guardian reader). “Tories just about held it together in the past. This time it’s different. The Conservative factions are warring so zealously over Europe that a formal split in the party is not unthinkable.” See http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/18/tories-europe “Eurosceptics running protection racket in Tory party, says Lord Mandelson - Mandelson says anti-EU Tories are threatening to ‘burn down the house’ unless David Cameron caves in to their demands.” See http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/may/19/eurosceptics-protection-racket-tory-mandelson “This is a new, farcical low and David Cameron is losing control. The Tory backbenchers’ desire to quit Europe would leave Britain dangerously isolated.” Written by former Tory grandee Geoffrey Howe. See http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/18/david-cameron-control-geoffrey-howe Now this is only the public face of what’s going on internally within the Tory party – it will 100 times worse (or better) in private. 95
Posted by Bill on Sun, 19 May 2013 19:06 | # @ 95 Blair’s Scottish Mafia. Bearing in mind I had only just revisited my former interest in politics because of a ramping up of immigration by Blair’s New Labour. It became apparent early in Blair’s reign that I became puzzled by the number of talking heads thrust before the television cameras who were mostly talking with a Scottish accent. I asked myself why this should be? At that time I was maniacally involved with other lines of inquiry looking for clues as to the bigger picture. I could only be bemused by the almost nightly barrage of Scottish talking heads holding forth on government matters. (English matters to boot) It never occurred to me at the time to make a few Google searches, but even if I had, I doubt there would have been much information to be gleaned, for these were early days on the Internet and information concerning the new order was as rare as hen’s teeth. The action had long since migrated across the pond as I felt sure the answers to my quest lay in America, and so it turned out to be. The question of why were there so many Scots in Blair’s cabinet receded in the general background noise. Fast forward several years to very recently when something must have triggered in my mind the Scottish question again. It was only very recently I typed into my computer a Google search ‘Blair’s Scottish Mafia’ (a term I had gotten from somewhere.) The results of the search both in terms of volume and of revelatory sensation I found gobsmacking. What I found most shocking was the number of instances of the reporting of paedophelia in New Labour’s high places. Another feature was the draconian lengths to which Blair resorted in efforts to keep the whole thing under wraps. Even the Dunblane massacre raised its ugly head along with NATO and the EU. But strangely, (admittedly with little time for research) I have not, up until now, found a satisfactory answer to my question. Why were there so many ministers in Blair’s government speaking with a Scottish accent? Interesting to note that Blair’s successor, Gordon Brown, was a Scotsman who swiftly embarked on a scorched earth policy to lead the English to new found depths. 96
Posted by Bill on Sun, 19 May 2013 20:04 | # Pick up any worthy newspaper either online or the real thing and the first thing that hits you, well two things really, is celebrity taking pride of place visually, and secondly, the acres of column inches prattling on about Cameron, Labour, Farage, EU, splits, etc and party politics ad naseum. The blogs and comments continue the theme, acres and acres on and on it goes. What’s behind all this faux theatre? Elite panic that’s what’s going on, the political system we know laughingly as democracy is a busted flush, as Roy Orbison sings, It’s Over! and the elites know it. What we have here in Britain is replicated throughout the Western world, a political system that is a total sham. The more knowing among us can see the the whole thing is a scam, the very idea we, the voters have a meaningful choice and participation in the affairs of our nation is a sick joke. Even the ‘hard working families’ battling to survive and who have little time to pontificate on such matters, suspect they are being shafted, they’re all the same they say. As things stand, the only means available to counter this mass feeling of being cheated is for the elites to continue what they are already doing, but failing in their attempts. The Telegraph, the Times, The Guardian, the Independent and countless online political commentary is buttressing the party political system in the knowledge that the system is failing. There is no sign of anything or anybody attempting to think outside the box, the party political system, the status quo, is not being challenged in any way as far as I can tell. And this is what the elites are trying to achieve, they’re attempting with all the resources they can muster to gain a little time for its replacement. The elites aren’t daft, they can see clearly the present system is past its shelf life and it is this that explains the coming of a new system. The so called democratic political process is in crisis, whether it has been deliberately engineered who can tell? I once asked when the elites had destroyed what was, what do they intend to replace it with, was there a plan B. Most replies agreed that there was no plan B waiting in the wings, it would be a wait and see what arises from the ashes. Whether by accident or design the system is going down, just browse the headlines and the blogs and see for yourself. 97
Posted by Bill on Mon, 20 May 2013 07:43 | # @ 97 See what I mean. Telegraph moves into overdrive. We can’t fail on this one. Telegraph 20/5/2013 invites you to….Welcome to Telegraph Politics Jame Kirkup.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100217682/welcome-to-telegraph-politics/#disqus_thread 98
Posted by wobbly on Mon, 20 May 2013 08:12 | # Bill
It does seem so. 99
Posted by Bill on Mon, 20 May 2013 08:32 | # Apologies @ 97 got in twist there on edit. Just to add. What I suppose it all adds up to is the battle for discourse hegemony is now entering a critical phase, Kirkup openly admitting he and his cohorts have been rumbled and have lost their credibility, what more can we do they cry? These people have been selling us the rope they’re going to hang us with since politics began, but with the availability of the Internet they see their job becoming much more difficult. So what more can they do? Looks like pay for your comments is one way of reducing the (destructive for them) interchange of online ideas. But the printed word is no match for the visual, a picture is worth a 1000 words, and that’s where television will continue to dominate. Television in the hands of the present crowd has developed into the most destructive weapon in the history of man, yes, even more destructive than the nuclear bomb or at least equal to. The visual media will continue to carry on as they always have done, why shouldn’t it, it has always been successful so far. Piece of cake. Kirkup is right when he says our situation (politics) is getting more interesting. I’ll second that. 100
Posted by Bill on Mon, 20 May 2013 08:46 | # Wobbly @99
Yes, this sucker’s going down alright (I wanted this to be my header for the comment but forgot to include. lol) Seriously, I think there is a good case for thinking it is all (long term) deliberate engineering. It defies rational thinking that all what we are experiencing and discussing here has come together by random chance, sorry I can’t buy that. But having said that, my mind boggles at the forces at work in all of this, it’s almost science fiction. 101
Posted by ukn_leo on Mon, 20 May 2013 18:02 | # I’m certainly enjoying watching them squirm Bill. On the surface ‘Keep Calm and Carry on’ seems to be the order of the day. Yet a mainstream media employee taking even a swift glance at any comment thread must be realising that not only his pay cheque, but his very life is now under serious threat. Having become so hard-hearted after enduring decades of their lies and manipulation, they will have no sympathy from me as they meet their fate. 102
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Posted by Leon Haller on Tue, 21 May 2013 02:23 | # Lister@95 I have many books by the great Scruton (Modern Philosophy, Modern Culture, Philosopher on Dover Beach, A Political Philosophy, The West and the Rest - these are just the ones I immediately remember). He would be horrified at the (implicit) socialism of Dr. Lister - implicit because Lister is very careful never to commit himself to any actual, substantive policy views wrt political economy, probably because he suspects (correctly) I or others would proceed to eviscerate him. So, like a STEREOTYPICAL leftist (this rhetorical method goes all the way back to both utopian and “scientific” socialists of the 19th century), he carps endlessly about the alleged inadequacies of the market, capitalism, right-liberalism, Hayek, etc, without giving market-defenders anything of his own to fire back at. The leftist US Senate Democratic Majority has been engaging in analogous behavior for the past 4+ years, simply refusing to provide their own Federal budget blueprint, but whining incessantly and rejecting every one the Republican House offers. Look, what Britain’s Right needs to focus all its energies on is terminating nonwhite immigration, and deporting any illegal residents, while concomitantly advocating a total withdrawal from the EU (which, for all I know, might be an actual, or at least political, precondition for ending the immigration invasion). Yes, the UK economy, like its US counterpart, sucks, but it does so precisely because it is stagnant - and it is stagnant because of too much debt; excessive as well as ineffective taxation (the state steals too much wealth, and its tax structure is not conducive to economic maximization, quite apart from the rates problem); vastly excessive overregulation of business; insecure private property rights (which makes long term investment horizons difficult); a terrible and unfair monetary system, which debases the common man’s currency in order to funnel money to Big Government and secondarily Big Finance; and too much civil disorder, itself the indirect product of a socialist culture of mass-‘moocherism’. Basically, as with America, you have too few net wealth creators (including, as mentioned, far too much ‘financialization’, which gives a false picture of a slowly mending economy evidenced by rising asset, esp equities, values), and too many parasites on ‘benefits’, who vote Democrat/Labour to perpetuate their freeloading. The answer may be close to what UKIP is offering: get out of the EU straitjacket; end immigration; restore real capitalism. If that is in fact what they offer (along with cracking down on criminals, one would hope - bring back the gallows, private ownership of guns, etc), then GO UKIP! 104
Posted by DanielS on Tue, 21 May 2013 04:42 | # I believe that Dr. Lister has cited the model of Denmark, noting that there are plenty of affluent folks there. 105
Posted by wobbly on Tue, 21 May 2013 08:45 | # Bill
I don’t think it’s been deliberately engineered but i don’t think it’s random chance exactly. I think it’s partly they needed to keep people anesthetized with cheap stuff and their banker wing was simply too greedy as always and partly that they’ve been selling poisonous lies for 60 years and that’s only possible with absolute media control and absolute media control is very difficult in a small, densely packed country once things have got past a certain level of bad. Even so the only thing that is currently going down is the consenting part of the ongoing immigration-genocide. They’re reeling a bit at the suddenness but once they recover they’ll come back with all sorts of dirty tricks. 106
Posted by Bill on Tue, 21 May 2013 17:47 | # Tin foil hat time. Trying to piece it all together. There’s been something very odd about Cameron’s leadership of the conservative party. If either Cameron’s conservatives, or any of the others were managing the English football team, they would never see the light of day. Even before he became prime minister I can well remember him in his opposition days as leader of the conservative party, his motives and actions being so bizarre he garnered shed-loads of vitriol on the DT comments section. I know this because I was there, I never missed an opportunity to give him a blast with both barrels. I opined he would win the 2010 General Election against a crippled Tony Blair and latterly Gordon Brown, but would soon be sussed out by his people and kicked out within two years. Wishful thinking in hindsight methinks. I went on to say, the dismissal of Cameron would bring on a crisis in British politics not seen in my time, I still think so as we’re rapidly approaching this point. Cameron’s behavior toward his core supporters just doesn’t add up, unless one is thinking in similar terms to Blair in his throwing his core supporters under a bus with clause 4. Having seen over the decades governments come and go, it wasn’t until recently that I arrived at the conclusion the scam that is the party political system has finally sunk in. (sad really) Political historian Carol Quigley, author of Tragedy and Hope writes… The two parties should almost be identical, so that American people can throw the ‘rascals’ out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. With such material by Carol Quigly being freely accessible on the Internet, more and more people are learning the truth of how populations over the centuries have been duped by those who control the levers of power. During my lifetime, the upper crust of society has always been protected by a glass wall of silence afforded by the media of the day, those in control of the bullhorn that is the media are in on the scam and only allow the public to know what they want them to know. With the recent advent of the Internet this has all changed, the buffer of the comfort zone of silence surrounding those at the top has been greatly reduced, ordinary people owning a computer have instant access to information that their parents couldn’t dream of. This breaking down of the wall of silence that has protected the rich and powerful for millennia is correspondingly expanding the conscience of the many down below, people are starting to think outside the box, which in turn pressurises politicians and the media into greater efforts of obscuration and outright lies. The result of all this is that many are now beginning to connect the dots, take the current push for war in Syria and Iran by Cameron and Haig for example. Ably assisted by the BBC’s correspondents out in the field, the whole thing becomes clear for all to see on their television sets. This doesn’t mean to say Cameron and Haig and the media will desist in their mendacity, on the contrary, two fingers thrust in your face is more likely, but it will at least show you what you’re representatives think of you. To return to Cameron’s conservatives. As has been seen by Quigley’s quote above, there probably has never been a time when voter participation has made significant inroads to the elites agenda. I can personally testify that by the onset of the 1960’s the traditional ruling establishment had begun to be replaced with a new old left. Since then, the Britain’s political compass has always pointed leftwards. It is no coincidence Britain’s cultural revolution of that time mirrored that of the United States. The starting gun heralded in the 1960’s signalling the beginning of the ‘swinging’ 60’s and Britain’s cool new future. It has been fascinating for me to witness the progress of the left. I have seen many governments come and go through the revolving door of state, red label/blue label, it made no difference, the line on the graph at the end of the outgoing government’s tenure always pointed inexorably downward and leftward. It has always been interesting to note that as far as I could tell, no government rescinded the previous government’s doings. The revolving door of elected and rejected governments ensures the establishment’s interests are permanently protected, as each new government becomes the old government the space beyond always belonged to the elites. When the going got tough for the elites it was time to kick the rascals out and invite the old rascals back. All expertly arranged by the fourth estate. With the new born technology of television the process of manipulation became even more sophisticated, a piece of cake in fact. Cameron I suspect is an elite’s placeman, as are the rest, nothing is left to chance in such matters. I’m convinced Cameron is a fall guy and was instructed to take a dive if the herd became seriously restless, (fast approaching) in fact he is following a well trodden path where the incumbent government steers the left’s agenda further down the road, only to be thrown out when the pressure cooker starts to blow. Then they all troop through the revolving door once more. Today, Conservatism is officially banned and has become illegal, anyone caught making a choice of preference is threatened with imprisonment. Conservatism in the eyes of the great and the good is racist and beyond the pale, anyone caught practicing conservative thoughts is tarred and feathered and run out of town, before finally being declared sub-human. Cameron is fully aware of the need to work within the prevailing liberal zeitgeist and has no other choice but to obey his globalist masters. But why did he take the job on? Good question. One can only assume Cameron’s quaffed the Kool- Aid and is a globalist liberal practicing his trade in what is euphemistically called the Conservative party. Knowing from the outset he couldn’t re-brand and rename the conservative party as Blair had done with New Labour, once committed to the task he would have to toe the liberal line, and in doing so would reveal to the world in general what a charlatan he is. Why it had taken so long for the Tory rank & file to suss him out remains a mystery to me. But there you are! Where to from here? Cameron and his liberal cohort Clegg lost no time in extending their tenure in office to a guaranteed full term of five years. With the current malaise of corruption that is the new norm, Cameron will not walk the walk. Cameron’s fingers will have to be prised from the levers of power by the angry mob before he succombs. With Cameron gone, and labour still not rehabilitated in the eyes of the voters from the previous labour debacle, who else is there to turn to? Well theres Nigel. Ah! Mr Farage of UKIP fame, now where did he come from? If I was inclined to a conspiratorial turn of mind I could easily be forgiven in thinking ‘Just in Time’ Nigel is a plant, just like our friend Cameron. The democratic process will be safe in in his hands. 107
Posted by Bill on Wed, 22 May 2013 10:41 | # More Heir to Blair Cameron antics. Cameron antics. Goes cap in hand to his mates across the floor for support of same sex marriage bill, shoving two fingers in the face of his own party critics. Cameron has delivered. It made him sweat but he’s handed the green flag of same sex marriage to his natural bosses, the liberal elite at the very top. Make no mistake, same sex marriage is a biggie, they don’t come much bigger than this to the liberal elite. Having handed over this much prized anti conservative trophy to his paymasters he can now relax. Having delivered….. Telegraph 22/5/2013
If more proof were needed, his role is to carry the liberal elite’s agenda further down the road to the new order. That is his raison d’etre. ‘Gay Marriage.’ There’s a bloody great herd of elephants in this agenda, those conservatives who are cool or could care less about same sex marriage will soon find out what it’s all about. Phase one of this agenda was accomplished a few years ago by Blair, under Cameron it is now complete. Phase one attracted the biggest outburst of hostility the online blog comments had seen in its short history. Universal condemnation failed to persuade Blair to do the right thing. He waived it through singing I’ll do it my way. Blair has been well rewarded for his efforts. Same old-same old. 108
Posted by Bill on Wed, 22 May 2013 18:03 | # OK then I’ll do it, seeing as no-one else is. British media is reporting this afternoon that an off duty British soldier was run down by two ethnic enrichers wielding guns and machetes. The two men stopped the car, got out, and started to attack the stricken soldier. This took place in broad daylight on the busy streets of London. Here’s how the Telegraph reported the story. Soldier beheaded’ in Woolwich machete attack: latest The BBC evening news headed with this story with no mention of the attackers identity. They described the attackers simply as two men. Cameron is treating the incident as a terrorist attack (for chrissakes) and calling for an emergency meeting of COBRA maximum security threat. Cool that, referring to the most heinous crime ever seen outside of war in modern times as an act of terrorism. In London in broad daylight. Farage should make capital out of this one if he plays his cards right. 109
Posted by Thorn on Wed, 22 May 2013 18:46 | # Britain is proudly one of the least religious countries in the world. That’s changing fast as “the religion of peace” now fills the religious void left after the highly intelligent Britons deliberately abandoned God. The end of this video lists all the wonderful advantages of living in an atheistic society. However, they OMIT the ‘tiny’ disadvantage of multiculturalism/multiracial and its inevitable death of distinctive cultures and native gene pools. Britain, like most of Europe, replaced Christianity with Liberalism and multiculturalism; both false religions that are powerless to stop the ultimate false religion, Islam, and its unstoppable destruction of Europe. 110
Posted by Morgoth on Wed, 22 May 2013 18:51 | # Bill, If you go on facebook and check out the UKIP page and read the comments you will see that Farage has asked for calm but the comments are seething, indeed they’re just the same as the BNP page comments. The more extreme the post the more popular it is. This is a sign of what I think of as Anti Political correctness. I’ve been thinking for some time that we as people grow tired of PC we are going to see an inversion of it, indeed, people are already being laughed at and smeared for their ‘‘PC Liberal crap’‘. And remember these people are posting under their real names with photo’s of themselves, very interesting. Post a comment:
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Posted by UKIP McSpellChecker on Thu, 02 May 2013 07:06 | #
Not wishing to be a snob, but it’s ‘Eastleigh’ not ‘Eastliegh’