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Bethlehem by Liverpool and Gravesend From The Guardian
The man’s a spiritual chav*. But wait ... from a blog named Stuart’s Short Trousers (with thanks to Troy Southgate for the link):-
* For the blissfully unawares American reader, a chav is what became of the English peasantry. Thus, Mr McNee’s modern Mary will most likely look like this:-
Naturally, she wouldn’t be called Mary. Diamond, perhaps, or Donna, Madison, Mcayla, Chantelle, Keeley, or the inevitable, completely sparkle-free Chardonnay. And rather than Jesus, she would call her baby son Ryan, Declen, Jay, Bex (of course), Baden or Ryder. There is, though, no question that the identity of the father would be a profound mystery. Comments:2
Posted by Alex on Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:53 | # Humorous in a sense…though sad about the ‘chav’ thing. 3
Posted by Guessedworker on Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:34 | # Alex, We laugh, we cry. The tragic aspect of “chavdom” is that this demographic is the one hardest hit by elite race-politics and liberal individualism. They are literally dumped by the roadside, their family life and social universe destroyed, their cultural heritage tossed over and replaced by black mumbo-jumbo, their jobs stolen. They are corrupted by welfare. Their females are the principal channel for negrification. Their males are forced into apeing blacks to compete - stupid, but this is the extreme left of the English bell curve. 4
Posted by Alex on Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:06 | #
Tragic is a good word for it. A great tragedy indeed. :( 5
Posted by stari_momak on Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:17 | # We Americans have our own “white trash”—abandoned by white politicians who chase after ‘ethnic’ votes, abandoned by the former state middle classes who are enamored with cheap nannies and thai restuarants and ‘trying to heal America.’ Here is what happens But its worse in Britain Shame on you, right wing websites with your distasteful racist rants. No fighting back please, we’re British! 6
Posted by stari_momak on Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:19 | # Actually, shouldn’t give you <s>Brits</s> English a hard time, whites in America leave it up to a Filipina married to a Hebrew to do our fighting for us. 7
Posted by Steve Edwards on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:48 | # Perhaps in the eyes of the Left benefit tourists are completely indistinguishable from persecuted refugees. Scene from a recent visit of mine to the U.S. : ME, to girl with strong accent in cafe: Where are you from? GIRL: Albania. ME: Are there many Albanians in the US? GIRL: No, most are in England. ME: Why are they in England? Why not France or Spain? GIRL: England closer to Albania… ME: (Look of complete bemusement) GIRL: (Realising my geography isn’t that bad)... great benefits. 8
Posted by Guessedworker on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:12 | # Hi Steve, Albanians? I don’t associate them with “benefit tourism”, but more with something like sex trafficking and organised crime. From an article published in 2001:-
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:49 | #
Can’t they do all of them, benefit tourism and the others? The Albanian pimps are probably all milking the U.K. system as “benefit tourism” at the same time that they’re “raking it in” from pimping in London. In the States it’s called “keeping all the bases covered” (baseball term ...). Of course don’t anyone breathe a word about these well-known Albanian proclivities — you might get hauled in on charges of hate speech. 10
Posted by NHS Propaganda on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:32 | # Schoolgirls are being provided with contraception ‘credit cards’ so they can get the morning-after pill without the embarrassment of having to ask for it. The cards will allow youngsters to request the pill simply by placing the card on the pharmacist’s counter.
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Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:04 | # I would love to know the ethnicity of the card designer. I wonder if he is related to Alon Ziv. 13
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:33 | #
I’d love to know his ethnicity and I’d love his name and address to be made known (either his or the supervisor’s who told him to design it that way). And I demand that all representations of white women kissing Negro (or other non-white) men identify the woman as Jewish: it’s easily done simply by putting a Star of David around her neck. I DEMAND it. Let’s see how Jews like it for a change. 14
Posted by Scimitar on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:47 | #
The American counterpart to the female “chav” is the “skank.” 15
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:51 | # Scimitar, from what I understand of the phenomenon, chavs are a movement. Skanks are an isolated phenomenon and have always existed as that — an isolated phenomenon. They’re not a whole movement. Apparently in the U.K. an entire class of people have gotten into this “chav” thing. It’s different from “skanks.” The “chav” phenomenon is the result of government deliberately taking away the kind of education and the kind of societal rules and constraints that previously were in place for the purpose of keeping a certain class people (good folk but lacking a huge amount of the ability to reflect independently and abstractly) on the straight and narrow through life. The U.K. government created the chavs and it’s all to a degree a spin-off of the Jewish hegemony in the United States since the ‘60s, hegemony which hates tradition that isn’t Jewish and aggressively targets it for destruction. The Brits have their own home-grown Jewish hegemony of course, which would have helped them get on the path leading straight to societal destruction with or without the U.S., but the U.S. is sort of the West’s bellwether: other countries of the West are influenced by us and follow us (not to mention the immense world of very influential, nay outright coercive, nation-slaying Jewish-backed NGOs which bring the Jewish view of things and the set of Jewish demands right to your doorstep so to speak, if you don’t happen to have a big Jewish problem of your own, outfits that heavy-handedly force societies and nations onto the road that leads to their own destruction). And needless to add, Jewish-controlled Hollywood and TV, which teach no tradition and no values except “if you’re a white goy, you must act like a Negro, marry a Negro, and change into a Negro,” is an absolutely appalling influence on everyone, especially the class of people who furnish the “raw material” for the “chavs,” fundamentally good folk who simply need guidance. Under the post-‘60s Jewish hegemony that’s guidance they’re definitely not going to be allowed to have, any more than the city of Newcastle is going to be allowed to remain white. When the city of Newcastle looks like Detroit, Washington D.C., Durban, South Africa, or Port Moresby, the Jews will be satisfied, not before. 16
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:03 | # How it is that the “chav” phenomenon is the fault of the British government, which created it — or the fault, rather, of those groups who’ve heavily influenced or outright controlled the British government (hmmm ... let me see ... I’m trying to figure out who those groups might be ... Give me a minute ... It’ll come to me ...). 17
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:20 | # More here on how the British government created the “chavs.” The government is responsible. Don’t blame the “chavs.” 18
Posted by calvin on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:43 | # The stereotyping and demonization of white working-class “Chavs” is just a manifestation of the bitter class hatred of the middle-classes. Why is burberry and sovereign jewellery any more ridiculous than skinny jeans, Dr Who scarves, children’s plimsolls and walking around like you’ve lost your belt and are carrying a two pound shit in your jeans? Why is slurping flavoured milk with coffee added, from a polystyrene feeding cup more laughable than eating a burger from a cardboard box? Why is a life of perpetual student-hood punctuated by periods of minimum wage employment any more valid than claiming periodic invalidity benefits? Anyone who lives in a bedsit and blows his or her wages in posh restaurants and on buying cocktails is a dumb ass and I don’t care what useless degree they’ve got hidden in their closets. Rant over! Apologies for that. 19
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:17 | # No apologies are called for, Calvin, and that wasn’t a rant but a well-reasoned, excellent statement of certain truths. I’ll take the liberty of adding to it: who’s the bigger bimbo, Satre’s g/f, the pathetic Simone de Beauvoir, supposedly a major XXth-Century intellectual, or the girl chav whose photo is in the present log entry? It’s Simone de Beauvoir the bigger bimbo and not even close! And that’s a no-brainer it’s so obvious, as far as I’m concerned. Granted the chav girl doesn’t look the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, as the expression goes, but she’s got her head screwed on fundamentally frontwards and knows some fundamental truths such as that men and women are born different. The other moron, who hadn’t a clue about these truths, had her head screwed on fundamentally ass-backwards (doubtless thanks in no small part to that wall-eyed screwball boyfriend of hers). 20
Posted by Tommy G on Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:40 | # The opposite of Chavs….you choose: http://www.crosslinkdevelopmentinternational.cc/pages/picturespages/afg2.htm 21
Posted by Yuezhus on Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:51 | # Sorry guys, but you - Calvin, Fred and others - seem to be either Americans or English people who have little if no experience with ‘chavs’. They aren’t working class. Chavs are squarely in the underclass. Their parent is a single mother on the dole, who, like her offspring, is uneducated and immoderate. They aren’t a trend or passing phenomenon. They’ve existed for at least twenty years now, and they do contribute significantly to British crime and teenage pregnancy rates. To be repulsed by them, to criticize their habits and mannerisms isn’t snobbery; it’s the rational reaction after becoming a victim of their group intimidation, often purely for looking too studenty, ‘rocker’-ish or just too ‘middle class’, loosely defined by them as not choosing to wear sportswear or caps tilted at huge angles all the time, while having to witness their uncultured grunts, taunts and thick gibberish. This site isn’t really worth discussing them, because they are definitely white, but they aren’t a fabricated scape-goat for blue-blooded Bourgeois either. Some of them even form armed gangs, in Northern areas where chav density is high enough, such the poorer council estates in Liverpool. Please people, this has nothing to do with anti-white propaganda, let alone Jews for that matter.(?!) The existence of existence of chavs doesn’t detract from the aims of this site, even if opponents may emphasize it to shift the focus from non-English criminality. 22
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:14 | # Yuezhus, what do the chavs think of excessive incompatible immigration? If they dislike and oppose it they’re on our side. 23
Posted by Lurker on Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:04 | # Fred, I dont think they have a view about race replacement, I dont think they have any views about anything beyond bling/clothes/games consols/drugs/drinking/sex/porn/DVD movies/cable TV/cars/aggressive dogs or aimless loitering. They dont indulge in abstract thinking period. Thats the boys, Im less certain about the girls, they being marginally more practically minded, somehow being a chav is very much more a male preserve. I would be safe in saying the average chav knows nothing about politics, history or current affairs, they never vote, watch TV news or listen to anything other than music radio (rap, R n B, dance), even if they are functionally literate they wouldnt actually read a book. Wiggers and chavs overlap strongly, worshiping Snoop/Tupac et al and recently many boys (though very much less so girls) have to begun to affect what they hope is a form of vaguely Jamaican patois/accent. Liberals love that, thinking it is a wonderful cross cultural pollination, rather than the death rattle of civilisation. So no help there re mass immigration. Rappers (all of them?),Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Brittany Spears, Kid Rock, in many respects they do live the aimless chav lifestyle, one that chavs would aspire to anyway. Many white male pop culture icons though while being aspirational figures for chavs dont actually live the life to the same degree, I dont know if this is because to become famous they actually have to work at something, however lame, and that immediately sets them apart from the average chav. Al Pacino’s character from Scarface (1983) is popular at the moment. Chavs want to be Tony Montana (drugs, guns, sex, above the law) but they dont want to be Al Pacino, having to actually work at being an actor. Check out these sites for all your chav needs: Chavs and neds (the Scottish version of chavs). Just about everything Ive said is contained therein I would think. 24
Posted by Matra on Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:44 | # Fred, here is an example of chav behaviour - protected by the legal system too. 25
Posted by calvin on Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:21 | # “Sorry guys, but you - Calvin, Fred and others - seem to be either Americans or English people who have little if no experience with ‘chavs’” I am a Chav. The “less to lose-more to gain” factor will always ensure that criminal behaviour will tend to be exhibited with more frequency among the lower socio-economic strata of society. The problem is that the “progressive” social policies of the last forty years have taken societies foot of off the neck of the criminally inclined. The classic “Broken Window” study shows how a tolerant attitude to minor crime can infect the broader community in fairly rapid style. The subsequent magnification of criminal behaviour will always be most evident within the communities that are poor. It has also to be borne in mind that working-class people are the biggest victims of lenient criminal policies. White working-class males are statistically more likely to be the victims of criminal predation. Chav culture is probably attributable to economic status extending radically different possibilities for the display of status between the classes. The criminal aspects of chav culture are almost entirely attributable to deleterious interventions in the criminal justice system by middle-class moralists and the left-wing intelligentsia. Mass-immigration, by expanding the low-wage sector of the economy, is helping to consolidate the white underclass into a permanent feature of modern Britain, by denying opportunities to intelligent poor whites to assimilate into higher socio-economic groups. That being said I think that an immediate solution to the problem of chav behaviour should involve corporal punishment and summary justice. 26
Posted by Lurker on Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:29 | # Calvin - come on mate, a chav wouldnt be able to string that many sentences together, not wivout resortin 2 txt spk innit. You are quite right about the tolerence of crime. Remember when Blue Water banned hoodies? That was interesting, they were making an explicit case for punishing (through exclusion) people who dressed like chavs/shoplifters. That was good, they were sending out the message that if you want the kudos of dressing like a petty criminal, go ahead, you can bear the cost of that too. Needless to say half-wit liberals of all kinds weighed in bleating about victimising kids etc etc 27
Posted by Bloke on Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:45 | # Calvin “White working-class males are statistically more likely to be the victims of criminal predation.” Do you have a reputable source for that statement? Not that I doubt it, but it would be very useful for me at the moment. I could no doubt find one myself but I’m otherwise engaged. Cheers 28
Posted by Desmond Jones on Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:30 | # Do you have a reputable source for that statement? 29
Posted by calvin on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:38 | # I’ve started early on my seasonal booze cache, so my posts are not too lucid at the moment. What I think that I was trying to say was that although the growth of Chav culture is causing an increase in criminal behaviour, most of the victims of this behaviour are, in fact, members of the underclass. To this end the growth of chavism is useful to the middle-classes, because it degrades the status of the white working-class population and paves the way for the mass-immigration that provides them with an expanded and cheaper service sector to enjoy. The nascent elite cry crocodile tears over the moral collapse of the working-classes, but secretly do everything in their power to ensure that it continues. 30
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:00 | # Diseases are caused by germs, and social diseases (such as the chavs and forced race-replacement, to take two examples) are no exception. Pinpoint the germ and you have a chance of counterattacking, curing the disease. Before Louis Pasteur people thought diseases were caused by vague nebulous influences, sort of how modern social diseases get attributed to vague influences instead of specific, counterattackable “germs.” In questioning the chav phenomenon, which is a disease, it is useful to take the Pasteurian approach and get highly specific, rather than the Medieval approach which stays vague and misses the target altogether, leaving the infection absolutely unchecked. 31
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:02 | # Guaranteed, no tears are shed, Calvin. However, working-class whites, or at least their leadership, has to bear some responsibility. The coal industry absorbed many low IQ whites in bygone days, and paid fairly high wages. Now it’s all gone. 32
Posted by calvin on Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:02 | # Fred The proper medicine in this case would be for the police to return to the days when they gave miscreants a good duffing up, most working-class people would agree with this, it’s the middle-classes that start bleating about “human rights”. The classic case would be the paedophile protests in Southern England a few years ago. Almost evey columnist, talkshow host and politician rose up in a rage against the protestors, a rage far more vehement than any rage aroused in them by revelations of serial sexual abuse and murder of children. 34
Posted by Sha on Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:19 | # If you’re gonna steal my images, at least credit me please. 35
Posted by Ruzmanga on Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:26 | # the way i see it, chavs are people who have decided that they are too good for education, too good for a job, too good for respecting others. You disagree with what they think and chances are you’ll get threatened abused, stabbed, whatever. the language they speak has almost no connection to english and the operative term appears to be ‘WHAT’. personally i think a bit of national service and the reintroduction of corporal punishment would sort this out. oh and by the way, im a student, im also a mugging victim and a rock fan 36
Posted by jenny on Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:16 | # im not a chav but alot of my close friends are considered to be chavs just because they wear trackies, and i dont think that it is fair that any one gets treated differently because of what they wear i mean one of my m8s is one of the kindist and most honist person you would meet and completely trust worthy and has never brocken the law because she is training to be in the poolice. And she wears trackies because she finds them comfy and she get loads of abuse because of it, the other day a group ov sad goths started callin her scum and that just because she was wearing trackies. and people look at her like shes some kind of aminal and it makes me feal sick coz the people that do it are the ones that chavs show no resect when they are looking at my m8 as if she were a dog. i will admite that chavs do av a bad name but u shouldnt say that they are all idiots and scum, stuppid scum that brake the law and all this just because a few do. 37
Posted by Stewart on Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:59 | # I wear Jeans and Shirts, I wear Trackies and Trainees, I wear a bleedin suit for work, I have sideways timberland gangster hats, I style my hair, I have a car, well payed job and money. I have a fiancee of 2 years. I am 20 years old but still have that fresh-faced look of someone between 16 and 18. If i go into a shop on my lunch in a suit im greeted with open arms. “Good afternoon sir” and what not. If i go in of an evening in my Jeans and shoes i get a normal greeting, “Hello mate”. If i go in on a lazy day wearing a tracksuit and trainers (maybe ive been the gym or just like the way i can jump into a trackie) im met with hostility. Security guards (many of who’m i earn twice their annual wage) follow me round the shop. The girls behind the counters dont smile at me and are extremely abrupt. This is a problem to me. I refuse to be treated like that and regardless of what i wear i am still exactly the same law abiding intelligent individual with a high IQ and great results from high school. You all need to get this into perspective. Students are the scum of the earth not the “chav”. They are encouraged to go to university and rack up student debts in excess of £30000.00 (albeit they are under no commitment to ever pay this back in their working lifetime and many of whom do not find a job after their worthless degree in art or sewing) Compare that to the freeloading chav who gets £90 every 2 weeks that means the government can afford to fund a chav on the dole for 13 years on jobseekers for the same cost of a freeloading student who (once qualified) takes a year out to travel the world??!?!?!?! PAY BACK YOUR DEBT TO SOCIETY YOU UNIVERSITY EDUCATED SINGLE MINDED SKINNY JEANED LONG HAIRED FACEBOOK RAPING SCUM. Oh, and if their is anybody educated here (no offence as i am not completely defending the chav) tell me im wrong. Tell me that the student repays the government in later life because he/she gets a higher payed job and pays more in tax in the long-run. Yes right…i left school at 16 and got a job earning £10k a year. By the time my student classmates from high school have finished their education i would have earned £80k even if id stayed on £10k a year which believe me i didnt. Furthermore and i promise this is the end of my “rant”, what do you say to somebody with a university degree? Burger and fries please. 38
Posted by Guessedworker on Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:18 | # What you say, Stewart, is that globalisation is an elitist attack on your people, and you and all the college students and the witless chavs are paying for it in a hundred ways every day of your lives. 39
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:33 | #
I thought you called them “chips” over there, Stewart? (And “crisps” is potato chips, right?) Whatever you Brits do, DON’T let the Yanks change your vocabulary or ways of speaking. 40
Posted by jenny on Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:57 | # stewart, 41
Posted by Desmond Jones on Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:42 | #
-Mark Twain Even Iron Man understands that principle. 42
Posted by Haakon on Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:06 | # OH MY FUCKING GOD. I LOVE HER. SHE IS BEAUTIFUL AND I LOVE HER. LOOKS A BIT LIKE A HOOKER, BUT WHO CARES!!!!!!!! KIND REGARDS HAAKON FROM N TO THA NORWAY 43
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:42 | # LOL She does look cute, Haakon, I agree with you! And very feminine! If she meets a decent guy she could straighten herself out and be quite the admirable woman. 44
Posted by Fred Scrooby on Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:44 | # These chavs aren’t evil, just misguided, poorly educated, thanks to the government leading them in the wrong directions, telling them a pack of lies. They need a little help and guidance and they’ll be all right. Post a comment:
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Posted by Fred Scrooby on Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:28 | #
That Chav Nativity was HILARIOUS. Kept me laughing out loud. Thanks to Troy Southgate for passing that along. The first one, from the Guardian, who might think he’s any better than the chavs, isn’t. Worse in fact. By far. The chavs have innocence at least. This one has only guilt. “Spiritual chav”: apt characterization if ever there was one.