Posted by Frank on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:40 | #

Excellent post.

He said: ‘‘Created more than 2,000 years before the Greeks were supposed to have discovered such geometry, it remains one of the world’s biggest civil engineering projects.

Posted by Gorboduc on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:28 | #

There are strange links between the Old Testament and the symbology that certain Ulster protestants and the Orange Order use; the Stone of Scone is by some held to be the stone on which Jacob had his dream of the ladder.

People of a certain age will remember the excitement caused by the various books of the late John Michell who popularised the leyline theory for the hippy generation (charming bloke, but he rarely bought a round): however it wasn’t at all original, and those even older will remember Alfred Watkins and his ‘The Old Straight Track’  and some will have Dew-a-Digon’s ‘Prehistoric London: Its Mounds and Circles’ (1919). Nigel Pennick and the late Tony Roberts are also good to read here.

None of these folk made the mistake of thinking that our ancestors were stupid or ‘primitive’.

I think it’s the Darwinists who do that… As Hilaire Belloc said somewhere “re-animate one of your earliest ancestors and stand with him and see who would look the fool…”

Bill Cooper’s ‘After the Flood’ (1995) also avoids the “stupid ancestor” pitfall, but then he was a Christian AND a Creationist AND a believer in Intelligent Design.

He also makes a daring claim that severeal of the worthies that contribute here will eschew and abhominate (OK, I prefer the archaic spelling) which is, that the ancient King-lists of the early Britons, (that’s the Welsh, now) the Anglo Saxons, the Danes and the Norwegians and the Celts ALL show clear linguistic evidence of descent from one original kingly house, which is, wait for it,  the family of Noah. 

And he doesn’t believe that our ancestors were ape-like cave-dwelling low-browed knuckle-dragging “Neanderthals” - it’s the scientians who hold that - (although not in this context, not on MR of course)

On the face of it, the choice is simple: l
 
    A) line up with Cooper (and, by implication, James Bowery) for the “our ancestors were a fine bunch” line or

    B) line up behind Dawkins for the “our ancestors conversed in grunts” line.

I shan’t say any more on this topic until Scrooby or GW or someone shows some evidence of having read/being able to trounce Cooper.

Posted by Lurker on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:50 | #

Any discussion about race, immigration etc will sooner or later feature someone shouting from the moral high ground that all our ancestors were from Africa, therefore we are all Africans blah blah etc etc you’ve all heard that one.

However, certainly as far as TV, adverts & movies are concerned, primitive man is always shown as white (or Neanderthal).

I presume the reason is because it would be unthinkable to portray primitive people as non-white or, God forbid, black. But quite by accident they end up portraying something else - our ancestors as white - severing that much celebrated link to Africa entirely.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:04 | #

One thing for sure, this is bound to create a serious doctrinal schism with the Ley-liners.  And even if true, Julian Cope would claim it was Ma and not Abraham who invented Euclidean geometry before passing it on to the megalithic Brits.

The furore under ‘Books of Interest’ in the Forum makes the Brits v Krauts jousting here look like a vicarage tea-party. A typical comment:

Interestingly, in a field containing 500 cowpats all 500 form isosceles triangles.

Posted by Frank on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:12 | #

I think it’s the Darwinists who do that…

I fully agree. It often comes down to evolution v. creationism - that often in this day makes a person traditional or progressive.

The Aymara Amerindians are said to “look forward to the past”. I’d like to think that means they are tradition oriented, though it’s only recorded (so far as I can find on the Internet) as a peculiar linguistic trait.

Commentary on St. Bonaventure by George Boas that I enjoyed because it helps correct what I suspect is a common trap for Christians (for us to embrace a more progressive outlook as a result of over rejection of pagan ancestors):

This hierarchy of Being appears throughout the work of Saint Bonaventura,
though he did not derive it immediately from Plotinus. It had become a
medieval commonplace which few were willing to question. And yet he could
not accept the whole theory of emanation, since he was bound by his
religious faith to believe in actual creation out of nothing. The God of
Plotinus was The One from whom everything flowed like light; the God of
Saint Bonaventura was the personal God of Genesis. His metaphysical problem
was to accommodate one to the other. This accommodation appears most
clearly in the fifth chapter of the “Itinerarium.”

The second hierarchy which was fused with the logical hierarchy was that of
value. There is no purely logical reason why the general should be any
better than the particular, though there are good traditional grounds for
thinking so. Plato, Aristotle, the Neo-Platonists, and even the Stoics had
a tendency to confuse goodness with the ideal or the general. In ancient
Pagan thought, there was a standard belief that no particular was ever a
perfect exemplification of its class—no triangle made of matter being a
perfect geometrical triangle, no human being a perfectly rational animal,
no work of art a perfect realization of the artist’s idea. Arguing in this
way, one could see that no species would ever perfectly exemplify its
genus, no genus its higher order, and so on. Hence the process “downward”
from Being was degeneration. When one stops to think that the Christian
religion insisted upon man’s nature as having been vitiated by sin—sin
which, though committed by our primordial parents, was nevertheless
inherited by us—one can also see why, to a Christian, the fusion of the
logical and the value-hierarchy was natural enough. We still look in vain
for the perfect exemplification of animal and vegetable species, though we
are inclined to believe that the species is an ideal formed for
intellectual purposes, and not to be expected to exist in anything other
than scientific books and articles. But to a Christian thinker of the type
of Saint Bonaventura, the species and genera were the ideas of God in
accordance with which He had created the world. It is they which are
responsible for the orderliness of the universe; they are sometimes called
by the Stoic term, seminal reasons. In the nineteenth century, when men
were as impressed by the regularity of scientific laws as they had been in
the thirteenth, people like Lord Russell found a religious satisfaction in
contemplating them, the only difference being that Lord Russell did not use
the Stoic term; nor did he think of scientific laws as the ideas in the
mind of God. If permanence and invariability are marks of goodness, then
indeed the more general the law, or the more inclusive the idea, the
better. And since the most general and inclusive term is without question
the term “Being,” it would follow that “Being” was the best of all things.
In the sixth chapter of the “Itinerarium,” in which Saint Bonaventura
discusses “Good” as the name of God, the importance of this fusion appears
most clearly.

Posted by James Bowery on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:50 | #

I see theories like this as on a continuum from myth to demonstrated scientific consensus.  A good deal of the “narrative” within which we interpret our lives is far more mythic than scientific.  The key test of a myth is not whether it is “true” but whether it is adaptive.  The key test of a scientific theory is its predictive power.  Brooks may have a good myth and a bad scientific theory but if so it is certainly better than what Blake and Cahill have done.

Posted by Frank on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:53 | #

The Aymara Amerindian reference is obscure, but I like it because they might have been impacted by a group of Aryans judging by what Heyerdahl said of their beliefs (that descent from “white gods who came from across the sea” is real) as well as the rest of his research.

I don’t want to encourage Aryan supremacism, but I take pride in the tales of the ancient Aryans and wish to learn more about them.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:20 | #

The folk who might have created this network of hilltop monuments in Britain were almost certainly not Aryan in the sense that we normally understand the term. They were not proto-Indo Europeans who emerged from the Pontic Steppes and slowly spread west across Europe. Based on current genomic data, the so-called Germano-Celts who are the ancestors of most British males (anyone with the R1B +L21 marker) did not reach the British Isles until long after the meso- and neolithic monuments and megaliths had been constructed. The best current evidence indicates that L21 bearers were still in the Rhineland and southern Germany when Stonehenge was erected.

The megalith-builders were almost certainly members of Y-haplogroup I2b which appeared around the time of the last glacial maximum and which in turn is a subclade of HG-I (the Cro-magnons).

Posted by Frank on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:39 | #

My reference to Aryans was with regard to the Aymara Amerindians who live in South America. It was relevant to Gorboduc’s post. It was not relevant to James Bowery’s post.

The Celt-Aryans were surely closely related to the megalith builders. The Aryans tend to put up pyramids wherever they go, but the stonehenges (and I’m not very familiar with the other megaliths) seem to be of a different group - though as to the degree of difference I’d like to learn more.

The Aryans are not partly descended from the cro-magnons? The most closely cro-magnon ethnic group is currently claimed by some “expert” (I could probably find the article - I want to say it was Mankind Quarterly) to be the Finns. The Finns are closer to what’s thought the Aryan homeland - Heyerdahl thought it might be in the Black Sea area.

Posted by Frank on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:25 | #

Oh I see now the Pontic-Caspian steppe is even closer to Finland than the Black Sea - even better.

Finns closest related to Cro-magnons. A “Physical Anthropological Viewpoint” is used, and it puts the Brits as far removed from the cro-magnons.

Here are maps of the Y-Haplogroups + other. I’m curious how firm the foundation is for where these originated. As best I can read them, the maps don’t appear to reflect your claim:

Based on current genomic data, the so-called Germano-Celts who are the ancestors of most British males (anyone with the R1B +L21 marker)

Archaeology is often religious not scientific. It’s impact is too great to be an honest field.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:28 | #

The Aryans are not partly descended from the cro-magnons?

It wouldn’t seem so. There has been almost no trace of Hg-I found east of the Balkans. The ‘Aryan’ ur-Hg (R) is thought to have originated in Central Asia approx 27 kya, while the ‘cro-magnon’ ur-group (I or more likely the still to be discovered ancestor group of both I and J) originated in Europe approx 34 kya.

The common ancestor of IJ and R (actually R’s ancestor K) hasn’t been established yet but it must have been at least 40-45 kya. The next upstream is F, which was still in Africa 60 kya.

‘Aryans’ in the form of R1b1b2 didn’t start to enter Europe via Anatolia and the Danube basin until about 5 kya.

The ISOGG Y-haplotree may help put all this in context.

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk08.html

Posted by Frank on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 21:03 | #

R1b:  Haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup in European populations. It is believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized after the last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago. This lineage is also the haplogroup containing the Atlantic modal haplotype.

And that’s the most common in Britain - these would likely not be Aryans even if originating from Asia. That would be the group responsible for James Bowery’s post.

R1A from the Steppes is also present in Scotland and England. These would be the Celt-Aryans.

Going by that map, Germany is also majority R1b. So the Krauts may no longer march to their myth of superiority since there’s only a difference in percentage. Where’s poster “Counter-Semite”?

The common ancestor of IJ and R (actually R’s ancestor K) hasn’t been established yet but it must have been at least 40-45 kya.

That’s not too far back - still white.

Posted by Dan Dare on Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:12 | #

And that’s the most common in Britain - these would likely not be Aryans even if originating from Asia. That would be the group responsible for James Bowery’s post.

No. As previously noted, R1b is a relatively recent entry into western Europe (4-5 kya). The people who constructed the megaliths predate their entry and would have been Hg-I (likely I1a and I2b). These were the original western Europeans who emerged from the Franco-Cantabrian refugium in the paleolithic. They were also almost certainly the descendants of the Cro-magnons (although that remains to be scientifically established.)

If you believe that the Aryans and the proto-Indo-Europeans were the same people, then R1b represents the Italo-Germano-Celtic branch of the R1b1b2 ‘clan’. Other R1b clans headed off in a variety of different directions including, believe it or not, West Africa where R1b is the dominant Hg in certain tribes.

R1A from the Steppes is also present in Scotland and England. These would be the Celt-Aryans.

Not that’s completely wrong, R1a is the ‘Balto-Slavic’ Hg. It is the dominant Hg throughout eastern Europe, especially in Poland, Russia and the Ukraine,  and it is significant in parts of Scandinavia. It is likely that the small amount of R1a in the British population came via the latter. 

Going by that map, Germany is also majority R1b. So the Krauts may no longer march to their myth of superiority since there’s only a difference in percentage.

Yes, R1b is the predominant Y-Hg everywhere in Europe west of the Oder, from Portugal to Denmark. The ‘Germanic’ peoples were most probably the result of miscegenation between the indigenous I1/I2b and the incoming German-Celts (R1b with the S116, U106 or S21 markers), with a bit of R1a Balto-Slav thrown in.

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:02 | #

R1b is a relatively recent entry into western Europe (4-5 kya)

I was quoting from a source your map had referenced.

Here. That expert-priest gives

Haplogroup R1b is the most common haplogroup in European populations. It is believed to have expanded throughout Europe as humans re-colonized after the last glacial maximum 10-12 thousand years ago. This lineage is also the haplogroup containing the Atlantic modal haplotype.

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:08 | #

One thing though: there’s no way to judge the significance of these variations going only from one map. It gives us an idea of where the males went, but just because there was little mixing from west to east, the I group stopping, doesn’t mean there was necessarily a great genetic divide there.

The expert-priests are trying to tie this all back to Africa, and they’re trying to sell that we’re highly mixed. That’s the bias we must be on guard against.

50 years later: “Oops. Apparently you used to be very pure. Congratulations, but now today you’re a nation of immigrants”, etc…

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:25 | #

The very low frequency of J in Britain at least disproves the British Israelite beliefs, as well as the claim the Trojans fled there.

Posted by mm on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:42 | #

R1A from the Steppes is also present in Scotland and England. These would be the Celt-Aryans.

As a matter of fact the presence of R1a in northern Scotland is associated with Norse settlement, not “Celtic”. There’s been no signification correlation of R1a with areas of Celtic settlement that I’ve seen; in fact all of the old Celtic world is solidly R1b.

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:05 | #

Btw, thanks for providing those links.

I do see it claimed as you say the I built the megaliths, and I do find your claim of age for R1b. But all of this is merely a starting point. At the top of this page (which puts forth your claims), a disclaimer is even given.

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:07 | #

As a matter of fact the presence of R1a in northern Scotland is associated with Norse settlement, not “Celtic”. There’s been no signification correlation of R1a with areas of Celtic settlement that I’ve seen; in fact all of the old Celtic world is solidly R1b.

I’m very new to these genetic studies.

Posted by torgrim on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:32 | #

Frank said; “Thanks for providing those links.”

I just want to thank you too!
Again M.R., is head and shoulders above the many.

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:44 | #

Other R1b clans headed off in a variety of different directions including, believe it or not, West Africa where R1b is the dominant Hg in certain tribes.

I wonder if this has anything to do with Lake Chad where Heyerdahl went for help building one of his reed ships.

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:48 | #

Frank wrote:

That’s not too far back - still white.

The Aryan male lineage (which dominates Europe) is said there to be more closely related to N, O (which dominates southeast Asia) and Q (which dominates the Americas) than to I and J (Old European male lineage)...

Posted by Frank on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:00 | #

RxR1 though is located in both part of Africa as you say and also Australia and southern India.

That’s fishy.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:26 | #

2005: Alonso Santos; Flores Carlos; Cabrera Vicente; Alonso Antonio; Martín Pablo; Albarrán Cristina; Izagirre Neskuts; de la Rúa Concepción; García Oscar

The place of the Basques in the European Y-chromosome diversity landscape.

European journal of human genetics : EJHG 2005;13(12):1293-302.
There is a trend to consider the gene pool of the Basques as a ‘living fossil’ of the earliest modern humans that colonized Europe. To investigate this assumption, we have typed 45 binary markers and five short tandem repeat loci of the Y chromosome in a set of 168 male Basques. Results on these combined haplotypes were analyzed in the context of matching data belonging to approximately 3000 individuals from over 20 European, Near East and North African populations, which were compiled from the literature. Our results place the low Y-chromosome diversity of Basques within the European diversity landscape. This low diversity seems to be the result of a lower effective population size maintained through generations. At least some lineages of Y chromosome in modern Basques originated and have been evolving since pre-Neolithic times. However, the strong genetic drift experienced by the Basques does not allow us to consider Basques either the only or the best representatives of the ancestral European gene pool. Contrary to previous suggestions, we do not observe any particular link between Basques and Celtic populations beyond that provided by the Paleolithic ancestry common to European populations, nor we find evidence supporting Basques as the focus of major population expansions.

http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/16094307/The_place_of_the_Basques_in_the_European_Y-chromosome_diversity_landscape

via n/a

http://racehist.blogspot.com/2008/11/another-nail-in-coffin-of-iberian-irish.html

Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:05 | #

The Basques are a curious anomaly. Uniquely in Europe they are predominantly R1b (i.e. ‘Celtic’) but do not speak an Indo-European language.

Posted by GenoType on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:59 | #

Many (hilltop monuments) are 100 miles or more away…

This provided a simple way for ancient Britons to navigate successfully from A to B without the need for maps…

In the absence of magnetic compasses Ancient Britons had an even easier method for “land navigating” from one established megalithic benchmark to another a long distance away:  walk down the trail.  This technique had profound advantages over the straight-line method, which is almost impossible to execute without a compass to hold a bearing.

These advantages included avoiding swamps, marshes, crossing rivers at their deepest points, climbs up and drops off of sheer cliffs.  One could also circle wide around neighborhoods inhabited by hostiles, or by clans of “scientific” lunatics like Bowery.

After this piece I can’t believe anybody here has ever walked as far as 2 miles across country.

“Esoteric radical rightism” can’t be taken seriously.

Again M.R., is head and shoulders above the many.

Uh huh.

Posted by Frank on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:21 | #

Mr. Bowery was only quoting The Telegraph...

I’m not familiar with them, but they were probably religious like the pyramids and tied somehow with astronomy. The Telegraph would probably prefer not to revere them though. So, it’s better for them to make the monoliths into practical pointers.

Posted by James Bowery on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:54 | #

More to the point, I was lauding the scientific accuracy of Brooks’ theory in comparison with Blake or Cahill’s mythology.  High praise, indeed!

But if I were going to really take this to the limit, I’d start talking about Crop Circles, Nazca Lines and the sort of Cromagnon-ridden creatures that return to mate in the oceans’ depths only once every several thousands of our years, propeling themselves through water, air and space at time-dilating speeds.

What sort of mythology would Cahill concoct around that!

Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:20 | #

“Esoteric radical rightism” can’t be taken seriously.

I think those with a realistic outlook realize there will be no political solution to securing the survival of our race.  Put bluntly, eventually we’re going to have to pull enough triggers, and blow enough shit up, to get the job done (that is, unless our enemies yield, which of course, they never will).  Yet that all requires the proper mindset, it requires capable people to have been awakened to their true interests, the propagation of their very being through time.  Just look at the intellectual development of Christopher Lasch in the course of his life, he came far, but never quite got there.  It is GW’s philosophic approach which could have brought him the rest of the way home.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:28 | #

The point is that Goldstein is full of shit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/1256894.stm

As Grant pointed out, there is no Celtic “race”. Culture and linguistics yes, race no.

Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:14 | #

Time marches on Desmond. When Goldstein was hypothesing in 2001 there were around 150 identified haplogroups. By 2008 that number had more than doubled, with more than 30 now defined in the R-clade alone.

Furthermore SNP markers for ‘Basqueness’ and ‘Irishness’ have been identified (M153 and L21/M222, respectively). Look at the haplotree to see how just closely they are related. Then work your way back the tree to find R1b1b2 (M269), which is the haplogroup associated with the first southern IE incursions into Europe in the 3rd-4th millenium BC. Every Hg downstream from M269 is genetically ‘Celtic’ including the S21 ‘north-germano-Celt’ and the Basque, even though the latter are not, for an as yet unknown reason, linguistically Indo-European.

Posted by danielj on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:25 | #

Just look at the intellectual development of Christopher Lasch in the course of his life, he came far, but never quite got there.

How funny you bring him up in light of your whole quote.

This is the quote Lasch utilized just before the contents pages in his ‘84 book The Minimal Self:

The entire modern deification of survival per se, survival returning to itself, survival naked and abstract, with the denial of any substantive excellence in what survives, except the capacity for more survival still, is surely the strangest intellectual stopping-place ever proposed by one man to another.

I’m fairly sure we’ve established with this that Lasch would not be a fan of the policy prescriptions of the Cap’n.

Only a mere decade before he died, but I’m willing to grant he undertook some serious evolution in that last decade of his life. Most likely a private rapprochement with Christianity was what caused this positive swing to the right of his in his later years and certainly not an adoption of the 14 words as his primary creed.

Regardless, I think he is on to something here and even the fascists would agree with me.

For, in fact, the common man, finding himself in a world so excellent, technically and socially, believes that it has been produced by nature, and never thinks of the personal efforts of highly-endowed individuals which the creation of this new world presupposed. Still less will he admit the notion that all these facilities still require the support of certain difficult human virtues, the least failure of which would cause the rapid disappearance of the whole magnificent edifice.

You’re always talking about spraying bullets. It will destroy everything we are and everything we have built. The “survival” of a few thousand of us will not guarantee anything.

Posted by danielj on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:27 | #

Still, I agree with you.

I think it is too late for any political solutions. What we do instead of politics, I don’t know.

Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:29 | #

I think it is too late for any political solutions.

Do you have any particular geographic area or even country in mind when making that statement, or is it your opinion too late for the Eurosphere as a whole?

Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:20 | #

Genetically ‘Celtic’ is a myth. It does not exist. Again, there is no Celtic race of people.

Posted by GenoType on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:26 | #

Put bluntly, eventually we’re going to have to pull enough triggers, and blow enough shit up, to get the job done (that is, unless our enemies yield, which of course, they never will).  Yet that all requires the proper mindset, it requires capable people to have been awakened to their true interests, the propagation of their very being through time.

C’mon Cap’n.  Do you actually believe the following?

Many are 100 miles or more away…

This provided a simple way for ancient Britons to navigate successfully from A to B without the need for maps…

No, you don’t.

Your point, then, is about motivating white adults with truth-stretching tales a nigger wouldn’t believe.  Yeah, yeah, I know:  Triumph of De Will n Shit.  Plato’s Republic.

Been reading “Elizabeth Whitcombe” lately?  Been doing much Sharkhunting?

“Esoteric radical rightism” is just another term for tacitly racist conservatism - mostly conservative classism of the “Iwannaberichtheeasywaytoo” variety.  Conservatism always loses. 

We’re not going to will our way to victory.  Real ground-level work and local leadership by example are required.  Anything else is MR hobbyism of the “good read” variety.

Posted by Q on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:27 | #

“After this piece I can’t believe anybody here has ever walked as far as 2 miles across country.”

LOL!

Gyno Type, you really should post your “insightful” comments more often. They serve as much needed comic relief.

Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:57 | #

Genetically ‘Celtic’ is a myth. It does not exist. Again, there is no Celtic race of people.

I’m happy to put aside the racial attribution for the time being, but there surely cannot be any argument that the European population downstream from M269 are genetically related, can there?

If we could reach agreement on that point, perhaps we might go on to a discussion about whether they are ‘Celtic’ or not.

What do you say?

Posted by Captainchaos on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:00 | #

DanielJ,

Most likely a private rapprochement with Christianity was what caused this positive swing to the right of his in his later years

I doubt he became a believer, but he did apparently come to the conclusion that whatever true community of spiritual uplift that could be had would only come through the medium of traditional cultural forms.  Also he seemed to adopt a Daniel Patrick Moynihan stance of admitting the pathologies that exist in the Black community need be judged by and corrected according to the standards of traditional cultural forms; also like Moynihan, the thought of intrinsic biological differences between the races being the basis of observable behavioral differences was unthinkable.

certainly not an adoption of the 14 words as his primary creed.

Yeah, too bad.

It will destroy everything we are and everything we have built. The “survival” of a few thousand of us will not guarantee anything.

If our race is genetically annihilated then who gives a shit?  Not me.  Put it this way:  What do you care more about preserving, your child or your child’s finger painting, that is, if you had to choose?  And remember, if your child was genetically altered he would not longer be himself, and would have in effect ceased to exist, i.e., died.

WP,

Thanks for the links.

GT,

Real ground-level work and local leadership by example are required.

Leadership also requires being able to think and speak clearly, debating and motivating skills, as well as setting an example.

Posted by Desmond Jones on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:40 | #

A discussion to what end? If the Irish, Welsh, Scots and Basques want to believe they are all Celtic nations sharing some linguistic and/or cultural connection, great, they can knock themselves out. However, they are not a race of people.

Posted by Dan Dare on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:29 | #

Ermm, did anyone here claim they were?

Posted by Gorboduc on Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:33 | #

JB:  Crop circles=crap circles.

Clever and often beautiful frauds.

But there’s this on Wikipedia: which puts the whole thing back over three centuries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing-Devil

Where’s LJB of the BNP to bring us back to reality?

Posted by Charlez U. Farley on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:54 | #

The folk who might have created this network of hilltop monuments in Britain were almost certainly not Aryan in the sense that we normally understand the term.

Chances are they were Ancient Hyperborians or Atlanteans (who had just arrived on British shores after the collapse of Atlantis).

Read Baron Julius Evola. 

Posted by White History on Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:12 | #

Not sure if any of you all heard about the recent big archaeological find in the UK: “Largest ever hoard of Anglo-Saxon gold found in Staffordshire”